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Ukrainian gas reverse under threat. When will Gazprom checkmate Naftogaz?

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Ukrainian gas reverse under threat. When will Gazprom checkmate Naftogaz?



The day before yesterday gas mini-war broke out in Europe. The Slovak court arrested the supply of gas to Ukraine from the Slovak side by the claim of the Italian company Italia Ukraina Gas. Thus, the main alternative artery of reverse gas supplies to Ukraine was cut.

True, all this will not be for long, but only until the moment when Italia Ukraina Gas will be compensated for all losses (including court costs and penalties) totaling 21 million dollars, after which the arrest will naturally filmed.

How much is in cubic meters, you can roughly estimate. When the cost of gas in the area of ​​210 dollars per 1000 cubes - about 100 million cubic meters. That is, the gas faucet will be closed for about a day or two. Plus, it will take time to complete all the procedures required in this case, which may take some time, and then the supplies will be restored in full, after which the gas mini-war, or rather, the gas dispute, which stretches from the 2007 year between “Italia Ukraina Gas "and" Naftogaz "will be exhausted.

What is interesting this case



The fact is that the decision of the Slovak court the day before yesterday was the result of the loss of the case in the Stockholm arbitration by Naftogaz in December 2012. Moreover, the case itself was just as complicated and confusing and concerned the so-called unrecognized debts of Naftogaz. Initially, Italia Ukraina Gas demanded that Kiev give 13,1 billion cubic meters of gas at the price of 110 $ per 1000 cubes to it. Kiev (the Yanukovych regime) was then able to defend its position. But the fine of 12,7 million in favor of the Italian company could not be avoided.

The Italian company Italia Ukraina Gas had to wait for five years, until it, having achieved nothing in Ukraine, appealed to European courts. Those, in turn, worked quickly and clearly.

A Belgian court even arrested Naftogaz money in the amount of 3 thousand US dollars (apparently, they were stale in the accounts).

It is noteworthy that in five years the initial amount of the penalty for short gas supply (from 1 September 2008 of the year to 31 of December 2010) increased from 12,7 million dollars to 21 million dollars. We will definitely return to this figure, but for now let's move back to Stockholm, where the final decision in the dispute between Gazprom and all the same Naftogaz will be made very soon.

What conclusions can be made



The general principles on which it will be issued, have already been announced. According to calculations, Kiev will be forced to pay the Russian gas monopoly the amount of one and a half to two billion dollars.

Basically for the gas that was supplied in 2014 year.

Kiev continues stubbornly to assert that he will not pay a penny to the Russian gas monopolist, whatever the Stockholm court has awarded. At the same time, the media write about a wide variety of schemes, thanks to which Ukraine will be able to avoid paying money. In fact, these are all fairy tales in favor of the citizens of Ukraine, who need to constantly instill confidence in the soon-to-be peremog. Similarly, Kiev was not going to pay the award in favor of Italia Ukraina Gas. But the time has come, and the money from him was demanding.

So, it took only five years, and Naftogaz had to pay 65,3% more money. That is, we can assume that the Italian company placed the money at about 10,5% per annum. And now she got them all the same with interest.

Did she win or lose? I think she won. As the interest on the current times for Europe is very good.

How will the confrontation between Gazprom and Naftogaz end?

Now you can calmly calculate how future events will develop in the gas dispute between Gazprom and Naftogaz.

The Stockholm arbitration will make a final decision, which Kiev will not naturally follow. The Russian company will file a lawsuit in the Ukrainian courts and receive the expected refusal on them. All this time, the amount of the claim will incur a penalty, the debts will grow. After several years of such unsuccessful attempts, Gazprom will appeal to European courts, which will decide in its favor.

Moreover, the amount of the claim at this point will increase significantly. I don’t know how much gas may cost in the future, which will be arrested by the decision of the same Slovak court, but Naftogaz (or its heirs) will have no options at that moment. Either he pays the amount of the claim and the penalty that has come up, or he remains without gas, as 20 did on December 2017 of the year.



For obvious reasons, Russia will not release gas to Kiev, or will let it go, but after deducting all the same debts, Europe will take it away in favor of Gazprom until its volumes pay off all the amount due to the Russian gas monopoly.

And at this time for Ukraine there will come a real gas crisis. Months of commercials for three. Moreover, if this happens during the heating season, then all this can turn into a humanitarian catastrophe or a halt in industry for the country.

In general, the prospect for Kiev is bleak. December 20 Day 2017 of the year became for him a disturbing "Italian" bell, which would remind him of the Gazprom bell that would ring sooner or later ...
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 December 2017 06: 12 New
    10
    .. in my opinion it’s useless to prove something, even in the courts ... and even more so wait for payments from them ... you just have to break their horns, by the decision of these courts ... angry
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 22 December 2017 08: 11 New
      +5
      stingers did everything right, for themselves. THEY BANKRUPT ALREADY 10 YEARS BACK. CALCULATING THE PROSPECTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EDGE WAS ALREADY THEN NOT IN THEIR USE. twisted for several years. nothing has changed in the life perspective of 40 million people - 10-30 years.
      THEIR OLIGARCHS LOSED OUR, FROM THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION.
      Maidan - a delay from surrender.
      jokingly I write "Kolyma is waiting, build and earn" - this is a reality for the cohals - to work for the owner.
      not quite a successful state they built.
      1. dSK
        dSK 22 December 2017 08: 42 New
        +7
        Quote: antivirus
        THEY ARE BANKRUPT ALREADY 10 YEARS

        Winter is just beginning if Europe switches to "prepayment", like Gazprom, the meter will spin quickly, but the States will not pay the bills, they will not "charity fund".
        1. dSK
          dSK 22 December 2017 08: 51 New
          +4
          The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense notified the Ukroboronprom state concern that the Navy does not need an unfinished missile cruiser Ukraine. Started yet in 1984 year the construction of the missile cruiser was completed by 95% after six years. Despite the fact that in 1998, President Leonid Kuchma tried to finish building the ship to sell, but there was not enough money for this. In March this year, President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko approved a decree on the demilitarization of the cruiser. "(Tsargrad TV Channel 22: 45., 21.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX) The sale of the remnants of state property under the modern "elite" is inevitable.
          1. renics
            renics 22 December 2017 17: 10 New
            +1
            Follow Berezovsky’s recipes exactly from his book “How to Make Big Money” you can see and download: http://spirit-ninja.ru/knigi/kak_zarabatyvat_bols
            hie_dengi.pdf. The main point of this straightforward narrative is that Russian state property in Russia is worthless. But if you put it all on the New York Stock Exchange, then the price will increase many times tens and hundreds of times.
        2. The black
          The black 22 December 2017 10: 15 New
          +3
          I think that in a few years there will be no such country as Ukraine ....
          1. 210ox
            210ox 22 December 2017 11: 59 New
            +4
            No, similar territories have existed for decades. Europe’s Somalia will not be threatened in the near future. For this situation is beneficial for many. Including Gazprom .. Again I read the article from the end.
            Quote: Black
            I think that in a few years there will be no such country as Ukraine ....
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 22 December 2017 12: 28 New
              +3
              Quote: 210ox
              For this situation is beneficial to many. Including Gazprom

              This is the irritant of Russia, first of all. SP-2 is slow and steady. Uzho and gadgets agree on the implementation of the project. Love for Bandera comes and goes, but you always want to eat.
              Quote: 210ox
              Again, I read the article from the end.

              The main thing is not to make a mistake in the essence of the very end .....
              wassat
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 22 December 2017 15: 25 New
                +5
                Me another "pins" on gas deliveries.
                1. As soon as the first tanker from the new LNG plant arrived in England, Boris rushed to Russia right there, believing that he could no longer postpone the visit.
                2. The three affected by the accident in Austria, the countries welcome any route for the supply of pipe gas from the Russian Federation. Now at least w / w Bulgaria, at least w / w Turkey.
                3. SP-2 turned out to be an extremely important project for Z. Europe - even the Baltic states have subsided.
                4. Due to the cold weather in the north of China, Beijing is signing new treaties and is already happy with any gas. Competition for deliveries to the East and West is growing every year.
                5. Gazprom breaks all records for pumping to "far abroad".
                Against this background, they extend the sanctions, and the states threaten new ones. "Interesting guys." Is everything normal with their head? It’s interesting if Gazprom stops pumping for at least a couple of days under the pretext of, for example, “prevention,” how will the Westerners sing? And when will the eastern infrastructure be ready for the PRC, Japan and South Korea, will this gas be enough for everyone and whom will Moscow put on the priority? I think that the Westerners themselves will be ready to solve the transit problems of Ukraine and its debts, and even give an advance payment for the year. So much for the gas station: "energy is the basis of the economy of any country, the growth of which is impossible without an increase in energy consumption." Even if Kiev is not going to pay its gas debts, the EU will force them to make the Kremlin happy. Otherwise, Kiev quarrels with its western neighbors to smithereens. From this we can conclude: the EU in 19-20 .. will have to lift all sanctions and make the relations with Russia cloudless, because the monopoly on gas supplies will disappear (eastern routes will appear and there may not be enough gas for them). hi
                1. NKT
                  NKT 22 December 2017 17: 15 New
                  +4
                  We don’t need to remove sanctions, let our officials spin
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 22 December 2017 17: 19 New
                    +3
                    So you yourself would be happy. They set up greenhouses near Alma-Ata, planted vineyards in the south (wine has already gone), planted fruit orchards, etc. hi
                  2. Mih1974
                    Mih1974 22 December 2017 21: 13 New
                    +5
                    Why are there officials, even the ones who "successfully escaped" with the stolen oligarchy sensed that "they turned on the gas burner under the ass" good tongue but so far they "offer the Russian government to finance the financial and legal costs of the return of funds to Russia" and even more so "a full amnesty" am . The closer the time when the Americans learn to "freeze" the stolen goods, their appetites will decrease and I suspect that it’s not like an "amnesty" - they will be ready to stay at large, ready to return. tongue good Yesterday, "Faberge" took the loot of KalOmoisky good and others are waiting for this. So sanctions are like a "life-giving cross," only to the benefit of Russia.
                2. renics
                  renics 22 December 2017 17: 22 New
                  +2
                  (And against this backdrop, they are extending sanctions, and the states are threatening with new “Interesting guys.” Is everything normal with their heads?) So who is extending? This is the euro bureaucrats put to power on the ground and bought by the oligarchs, and they do not give a damn about the population and people, since in pursuit of their political goals, they cover all the losses from this at the expense of the same population. The same format is happening everywhere in Ukraine (there it happens in a particularly radical form). This phenomenon is also partially observed in Russia, and if there weren’t such a president (as a deterrent) in Putin, this would have happened in the same form as under Yeltsin, (Great Russia is rising from its knees, you know,)
          2. Sergey53
            Sergey53 22 December 2017 15: 17 New
            +3
            They always said that no one would give us money. A pipe through their territory, roof protectors from the EU and the USA, as it were, guaranteed their words. But they went too far, and it turned out that each bolt has its own nut. Good luck to you, NON-RELIABLE you are ours.
    2. edge
      edge 22 December 2017 09: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      in my ukrokaklam useless to prove something, even in the courts ...

      The day of December 20, 2017 became an alarming “Italian” bell for him, which would remind him of that “Gazprom” bell: all the more so, since December 20 is the day of the Chekist (Cheka-KGB-FSB), the brothers worked masterfully soldier- a small holiday gift
    3. Kent0001
      Kent0001 22 December 2017 12: 27 New
      +1
      So about this and the article - breaking off horns by breaking off with gas supplies for debts. Once again, Ragulei is scouted and their frostbitten ears (or whatever else) will be declared a great help to the aggressor.
    4. fa2998
      fa2998 22 December 2017 16: 57 New
      +2
      Yes, there is simply no one to “break their horns” and no one has a desire! A lousy Italian company received its money, but our effective managers lack the amount of money. Is it state money, then it means draws, salaries and parachutes are already sky-high, why bother? THIS IS NOT NECESSARY FOR ANYONE! Any private company would have knocked out their money! hi
    5. boboss
      boboss 22 December 2017 17: 22 New
      0
      )))) what are the horns of eggs
  2. AID.S
    AID.S 22 December 2017 06: 24 New
    0
    Forecasts, forecasts, pending a court decision.
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 22 December 2017 07: 22 New
      +5
      Hi!! We wish you success. Italians. But the issue with our debts is open. I am afraid that the answer of our Government will be non-standard and surprising. Yes, Gazprom will win, but what will our question do
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 22 December 2017 12: 28 New
        0
        Think what they say?
    2. your1970
      your1970 22 December 2017 17: 56 New
      +1
      the decision of the Stockholm Arbitration Court on the Naftogaz lawsuit has already happened - the court decided that they should
  3. shinobi
    shinobi 22 December 2017 06: 34 New
    +1
    Well then, as in the saying, Or the donkey dies, or the padish.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 December 2017 06: 38 New
    +7
    gas supplies to Ukraine from Slovakia were arrested
    Not only Slovakia, but also Belgium. Europe can count its money, and therefore takes such measures. We are all afraid of how simple Ukrainian people will winter. Therefore, Ukraine is not going to pay off our debts with us.
  5. Chichikov
    Chichikov 22 December 2017 06: 49 New
    +4
    The bumpy road to Europe!
  6. svp67
    svp67 22 December 2017 07: 39 New
    +1
    Slovak court arrested the supply of gas to Ukraine from Slovakia in a lawsuit by the Italian company Italia Ukraina Gas. Thus, the main alternative artery of reverse gas supplies to Ukraine was cut.
    I give 1 to 100 that there is an American sponsor or decided that everything will settle down ...
    1. renics
      renics 22 December 2017 17: 27 New
      0
      I bet where to get the loot?
  7. vlad007
    vlad007 22 December 2017 07: 48 New
    +5
    I have no confidence in the publications of Yuri Podolyak, especially since, for some reason, the article does not contain links to the source of information.
    1. ando_bor
      ando_bor 22 December 2017 09: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: vlad007
      I have no confidence in the publications of Yuri Podolyak, especially since, for some reason, the article does not contain links to the source of information.

      Podolyaka is Ukrainian, and works like all Ukrainian propaganda, only on our part, because he is a refugee.
      1. renics
        renics 22 December 2017 17: 43 New
        0
        Do you all need links? What makes you all too lazy or out of inability to work with a search engine. You can only refer to the absence of links if, after a long search, there really is nothing similar on the Internet. This was also written back then in 2013 on the Ukrainian English website ukraine business online in the article "Naftogaz loses to Italia Ukraina Gas in Stockholm arbitration court". Naftogaz loses to Italian Ukraina Gas in the Stockholm arbitration court. http://www.ukrainebusiness.com.ua/news/8848.html. Also on the website Ukraine RU - Ukrainian Russian-language site with an article dated 22.12.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX, Naftogaz called the decision of the Slovak court to arrest the gas “political” and there are similar articles everywhere, and give you links. They are politicians of Ukraine absolutely everything that happens there is attributed to politics, but not to theft and bribery.
  8. spech
    spech 22 December 2017 07: 53 New
    +1
    So, it took only five years, and Naftogaz had to pay 65,3% more money. That is, we can assume that the Italian company placed the money at about 10,5% per annum. And now she got them all the same with interest.

    You forgot about legal costs, and they can be very bold
  9. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 22 December 2017 08: 31 New
    +6
    Yes, yes, for many years now we hear that de "just about", "tomorrow" Gazprom will cut off gas supplies to Ukraine due to Ukraine's "debt" and its theft of its gas and Ukraine will immediately freeze, " goes bankrupt "and .... what else is there? And Ukraine, as it received the necessary volume of gas, is getting it and something tells me that it will receive it in the future. wink
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 22 December 2017 21: 40 New
      +1
      Yeah, here's just one subtlety - Gazprom gets (unlike before) EVERYTHING to the cent tongue . And who pays for this banderlog or "European elves", over to the buttons. good tongue If Europeans are so generous or stupid and pay Gazprom for gas for which Ukraine will not pay them, then - as they want. Actually, had Gazprom demanded at least something different from Mayakhataskrau, no - only pay for everything that they took (well, theft, this is essentially the same but without sanction). Especially when deliveries are reduced to the level “so that the pipe does not crumble at all”, Ukraine will receive a penny even for transit. )) And this is not to mention the constant accidents and repair costs.
      By the way, the method as Ukraine "dispenses with Russian gas" is worth a separate consideration by itself !! This was achieved not at the expense of “rich and bought more,” we would only welcome, but at the expense of the “death” of our industry and a drop in consumption. Oh yes and still - raising to madness prices for the population belay negative
      Ukria even kills the agricultural sector, will soon not be able to pay at all, and the forest of which was not enough there - will end soon. What will they sell? They even have "defectives" ending, read all the simpotics have already left, some grandmothers (pensioners) will soon remain.
    2. vlad007
      vlad007 26 December 2017 18: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      And Ukraine, as it received the necessary volume of gas, is getting it and something tells me that it will receive it in the future.


      Ukraine has not received gas from Russia since November 2015, gas is being supplied to them by reverse from Europe!
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 22 December 2017 10: 04 New
    +2
    Well, now it’s clear why they immediately take the population “in two months”. It seems like "for December and an advance for January." but there are no guarantees that they will recalculate. With pensions 2200-25000 pay 4800 ..... People get into debt so that they do not turn off the gas. And who knows what will be announced in January? One thing is clear - old people should die out. And gas will be saved, and pensions do not need to be paid.
    1. renics
      renics 22 December 2017 17: 46 New
      +1
      (With pensions of 2200-25000 to pay 4800) And what about twenty-five thousand pensions, it is shameful to pay 4800.
  11. thinker
    thinker 22 December 2017 10: 06 New
    0
    ... approximately 100 million cubic meters. That is, the gas faucet will be closed for about a day or two.

    Did the author look at the ceiling?
    Full-fledged gas supplies to Ukraine from Slovakia are forecasted from September 2014. Estimated Delivery - up to 27 million cubic meters of gas per day.

    http://www.interfax.ru/business/391703
    1. your1970
      your1970 22 December 2017 17: 58 New
      0
      Quote: thinker
      Did the author look at the ceiling?
      Full-fledged gas supplies to Ukraine from Slovakia are forecasted from September 2014. The expected volume of deliveries is up to 27 million cubic meters of gas per day.
      - the author missed for 2 days ...
  12. Lexus
    Lexus 22 December 2017 12: 12 New
    +1
    There would be a desire, but there is always a way to "block". You can kick from the feeder Bandera parasites. To organize bison reserves in the Kursk and Voronezh regions, dismantle parts of the gas pipeline "for environmental reasons." Dissatisfied with something - sue Greenpeace.Oh. There is strength, but will?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 22 December 2017 12: 51 New
      +2
      Then you can smile
  13. Curious
    Curious 22 December 2017 13: 28 New
    +4
    When reading such an “analytics” of “sofa analysts”, “Podolyak” and “close and redo” comments, you understand what the expression “rzhunemogu” means. For those who want to write something about Gazprom, in particular, and gas issues in general, it is necessary to at least get a minimum familiarity with who actually owns Gazprom, who closes and closes commands, and where and to whom the money comes from for gas. I represent the homeric rzhach Roman Arkadievich, if he suddenly somehow read this analytics.
    1. Lena Petrova
      Lena Petrova 22 December 2017 14: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Curious
      and where and to whom money for gas comes


      Like some taxes to the budget last year - 1,3 trillion. rubles.
      1. Curious
        Curious 22 December 2017 17: 09 New
        +1
        The question was not about taxes, but about MONEY for gas, Lena Petrova. These are two very significant differences.
        As for the sum you named, it may seem to you large, but everything is relative, Arkadyevich’s yacht is one and a half times more expensive, and he has four of them and a submarine in addition.
        1. your1970
          your1970 22 December 2017 18: 04 New
          +1
          The cost of the most expensive Eclipse is 23 billion rubles.
          If it were one and a half times more expensive than 1,3 trillion rubles (1300 billion, if that) - Abramovich could buy a heel of another small European country (in its entirety). He certainly is not poor, but not to such an extent ....
          fool fool
          1. Curious
            Curious 22 December 2017 19: 18 New
            +1
            Yes, there are a lot of zeros, I made a mistake. I thought that he had a serious yacht, and that he had an economy.
    2. renics
      renics 22 December 2017 17: 53 New
      0
      It’s not the analysts who write, but the journalists, on the immediate events that have taken place, you can look at it already from 2013 under the reign of Yanukovych. Even then, the courts of the Italian Ukraine-Gas with Naftogaz began. My comment is above. And you shouldn’t be so high up here with your person, but look at it on the network yourself.
      1. Curious
        Curious 22 December 2017 18: 00 New
        0
        Is this a warning or a wish?
  14. ZuuT
    ZuuT 22 December 2017 16: 42 New
    0
    something I did not understand, nafto won the dispute in 2014 .. as they write today
  15. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 22 December 2017 16: 43 New
    +2
    Ukraine must pay for its betrayal. And the worse the situation in Ukraine is, the better for us. We should not take a single step that could at least somehow help this country, which has suddenly become hostile to us.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 23 December 2017 07: 54 New
      0
      Those who have the resources have a different opinion.
  16. NKT
    NKT 22 December 2017 17: 12 New
    +1

    Now you can calmly calculate how future events will develop in the gas dispute between Gazprom and Naftogaz.


    I don’t understand calm. Previously, Stockholm rejected the take-and-pay principle in the Gazprom agreement, which in general cast doubt on the principle of fulfillment of any signed agreement. What will be the next political decision is also not clear.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 17: 35 New
      +8
      Quote: NKT
      take and pay principle in the contract

      In the contract - "take OR pay." In the store - "Pay And Take." "Take and pay" ... I do not know, I have not seen this.
      1. Town Hall
        Town Hall 22 December 2017 17: 42 New
        0
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: NKT
        take and pay principle in the contract

        In the contract - "take OR pay." In the store - "Pay And Take." "Take and pay" ... I do not know, I have not seen this.



        You do not pay gas or e-energy at home on a pay-and-pay basis?
        1. NKT
          NKT 22 December 2017 18: 16 New
          0
          At home - yes, by this principle
      2. NKT
        NKT 22 December 2017 18: 14 New
        0
        You corrected, take or pay
  17. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 22 December 2017 17: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Curious
    The question was not about taxes, but about MONEY for gas

    And what, does Gazprom print tax money? Or does he still pay revenue for his products?
  18. Grandfather Wood grouse
    Grandfather Wood grouse 22 December 2017 21: 56 New
    +1
    It seems that the journalist is not aware that gas production is growing in Ukraine, the industry is already planning to transfer to its own gas. So everything is ambiguous in general, we will live - we will see
    1. NKT
      NKT 22 December 2017 22: 20 New
      +1
      Production increased by 2%, compared to 10 months. In Soviet times, 69 billion were mined, and now 20.
    2. Puma
      Puma 23 December 2017 02: 50 New
      +1
      Ukraine can produce gas only by popularly eating pea soup. Well, there is no gas in serious quantities and accessible places.
  19. Al shurshun
    Al shurshun 22 December 2017 22: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Black
    I think that in a few years there will be no such country as Ukraine ....
    from this, in fact, it absolutely does not follow what is what ... repeat
  20. Al shurshun
    Al shurshun 22 December 2017 22: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    Territories of this kind exist for decades. This is European Somalia.
    it very much seems that the Russian language for this respondent is not native repeat
  21. Al shurshun
    Al shurshun 22 December 2017 22: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Love for Bandera comes and goes, but you always want to eat
    apparently we are dealing with a great admirer of S. Bandera, since it was all about love repeat
  22. Al shurshun
    Al shurshun 22 December 2017 22: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Kasym
    Due to the cold weather in the north of China, Beijing is signing new treaties and is already happy with any gas
    it’s, of course, cold today, and gas will be delivered in about 5-7 years repeat
  23. Al shurshun
    Al shurshun 22 December 2017 22: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Kasym
    They set up greenhouses near Alma-Ata, planted vineyards in the south (wine has already gone), planted fruit orchards
    who would have thought it turned out to be Alma-Ata - this is such a city in Russia repeat
  24. Al shurshun
    Al shurshun 22 December 2017 22: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: your1970
    the court decided that they should
    who are they and who are we, that I don’t remember the double-headed Gazprom inscription repeat
  25. Al shurshun
    Al shurshun 22 December 2017 22: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    we are all afraid how ordinary Ukrainian people will winter
    what are they afraid of here, the stock in underground storage facilities for 2017-18 is not less than 2016-17 repeat
  26. Al shurshun
    Al shurshun 22 December 2017 22: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Gazprom will block gas supplies to Ukraine due to Ukraine’s "debt" and theft of its gas
    about your wondrous affairs, Lord, but for 2018, process gas for Gazprom’s transit through Ukraine was brought liquefied from the United States ... repeat
  27. Al shurshun
    Al shurshun 22 December 2017 23: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: lexus
    Organize bison reserves in the Kursk and Voronezh regions, dismantle parts of the gas pipeline
    environmental friendliness and I am motivating the construction of the Nord Stream 2, 3, 4 ... and 15 ice-breaker type gas tankers for the Northern Sea Route - it is necessary to accelerate the withdrawal of gas from the bowels repeat
  28. Dmitry Fedorov
    Dmitry Fedorov 25 December 2017 14: 11 New
    0
    Europe will not select anything.
    And do not go to the fortuneteller.
  29. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 25 December 2017 15: 38 New
    +1
    It is so obvious that the relationship between Gazprom and Naftogaz is completely opaque. Remember also Cyprus bank accounts for gas payments (offshore). As Abramovich proposed to redeem the debts of Cyprus (banks, of course). And how deliciously the Ukrainians wiped Gazprom (that is, Russia) on the toilet for paying for gas. Then Julia was hidden in a cage.
    And something was not heard that deputies or the prosecutor's office became interested in the activities of the Gazprom State Corporation.
    All is well beautiful marquise ......
  30. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 26 December 2017 20: 43 New
    0
    A lot of incomprehensible results of the trial, the "national treasure" also got along with serious money.