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Donbass "response to Chamberlain"

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Moscow’s withdrawal of the Russian STRC in the Donbas has, of course, a political dimension: the Russian officers of this center became a cover for the shelling of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the inaction of the OSCE mission. For three years, the JCCC and the OSCE have been working in the Donbas, but the shelling does not stop, our center officers were simply not released during the shelling to the line of contact from their base, where they sat as signalers and hostages of a situation when the South Ossetian scenario with an attack was possible. unknown DRG. Recall, Saakashvili's troops treacherously shot Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia. The situation became unbearable, and Moscow was looking for a reason to get out of it.




When Canada announced its readiness to supply weapon to Ukraine, Moscow perceived this as the well-known Chamberlain's “demarche”: the Russian Foreign Ministry briefly stated that responsibility for the consequences of the supply of lethal weapons to Ukraine falls on both Canada and the United States. This statement was followed by the Foreign Ministry and a decision was made to remove the officers of the Russian General Staff from the Joint Coordination and Control Center.

On the other hand, Russia's withdrawal from the JCCC prepares the Donbass “response to Chamberlain”: Donetsk, Lugansk and Moscow now have wider opportunities for response. There will be a certain “opening game”: the smoke screen of OSCE reports, and false statements about the Minsk “truces”.

The failure of the OSCE mission, which for three years cannot determine who shoots and where it shoots from, will become obvious. What is the point in the OSCE mission and the JCCC, if shelling is going on, as if they are not there to speak of? OSCE checks how artillery works, and reports on the results of shelling? Who benefits shelling: Donbas or Bandera regime? The OSCE does not raise such simple questions, it is not profitable to raise.

Russia has come to the conclusion that Bandera does not think of “Minsk”, but uses it as a cover to seize the Donbas, if not according to the “Croatian” scenario, as well as the “peacekeeping” scenario. Europe and the United States do not even think to encourage Kiev to carry out “Minsk”, on the contrary, it becomes clear that the Bandera regime is a complete puppet of the United States, and performs the function of “containing Russia” - the official US foreign policy doctrine not connected at all with Ukraine. The United States "restrains" Russia in Ukraine, not at all embarrassed to support the neo-Nazi Bandera regime, and provoking it into a direct war with Russia.

If the Minsk Agreement is a document signed by the “Western guarantors”, approved by the UN, but Europe and the USA with Canada do not care about it, then what, in general, can we negotiate with them? What kind of "peacemakers"? About anything is impossible in principle! With the exit from the JCCC, Russia said this to the whole West along with the OSCE. You do not want to resolve the conflict in the Donbas in an amicable way, according to the Minsk agreements, it will be different.

We note that Moscow has ceased to appeal to the common sense of the “Norman guarantors” of the Minsk agreements, and even the military escalation in the Donbas of recent days has remained without the usual statements in such cases. There is nothing to talk about when the artillery spoke in a loud voice. Artillery of the Armed Forces of Novorossia also spoke, and Eduard Basurin no longer says that they strictly observe the Minsk agreements. Under Gorlovka APU suffered a serious fire defeat, which was filmed from a drone, as in Syria.

Military escalation in the Donbas will be the formal end of the Minsk agreements. The decision on this was made in Washington, lowered to execution in Kiev, and Moscow knows about it, so it promptly withdrew from the JCCC. Therefore, the Verkhovna Rada draft law on “the reintegration of Donbass” and declaring Russia an “aggressor country”, which it was supposed to adopt in early December, has been removed from the agenda. Why officially announce their intentions? In the event of the onset of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbas it is not needed and is politically harmful.

On the contrary, the propagandists of Bandera announced the “exchange of prisoners”, and the new “New Year's truce”, and Poroshenko announced the strengthening of the group in the Donbas, that is, the concentration of the shock group during the truce. The exchange of prisoners has already been broken, and the New Year truce will be broken. If they shout so much about peace, it means that they are preparing for war, because they do not shout about peace, but negotiate, but do not negotiate.

“Peacemaker” - US Special Representative Kurt Volker somewhere in America released a crocodile tear about Russia's withdrawal from the JCCC, and immediately declared that Russia was to blame for the sufferings of the peaceful population of Donbass. Frank rudeness of the alleged Donbass negotiator, from which it follows: the continuation of the “peacekeeping” summit of the Volker-Surkov summit should not be expected. The meeting of Volker - Surkov is possible, just not about the peacekeepers, this topic is closed, but the supply of weapons to Ukraine by the USA and Canada, and the consequences of these, what they will be for it.

The Germans and the French, whom Poroshenko suddenly called to the STsKK, of course, will not come, they are not fools to climb into the thick of it. And there can be no meeting between Putin and Poroshenko, this is a propaganda lie. This is all the information noise that is created before this very heat, and Poroshenko himself carries out information training for the New Year's big “toad jump”! In this connection, Saakashvili was ordered to take a New Year's pause for his Mikhomaydan, in order to give Poroshenko the opportunity to further jump.

A quick and rather silent withdrawal of our officers from the JCCC says that Moscow is preparing a tough Donbass “answer to Chamberlain”, and not only Bandera, but also the USA and Canada. In the contact line in the Donbass there are in fact not only Bandera troops against the militias, but also America against Russia.

Our political analysts in the show programs are delighted to be deceived about this, seek out Donald Trump’s peace-loving aspirations, and forget about the threatening statements of the US State Department and the same Kurt Walker. Are you afraid to sow panic? Maybe. Recall to all the recent statement by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov: "Maidan Kiev attacked the Donbass, which Maidan did not accept." And Vladimir Putin: "The West has supported the terror in Ukraine."

Among our television experts, of course, the vile position of the “political analyst” Dmitry Nekrasov, a participant in the Vilnius traitors summit, who, with a blue eye, declares that Russia is exacerbating the situation in the Donbas on the eve of its presidential election, is amazing, as if it is beneficial to Putin. This is his conclusion Dmitrii exposes as a “proof”, because he just thinks so. What is the benefit of Russia? What could be ruined by the presidential election, where Putin is the clear favorite? Nekrasov was simply the voice of Kurt Volcker, accusing Russia of the sufferings of Donbass.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 22 December 2017 15: 33
    25
    This "bacchanalia" is time to end, otherwise it may end us ....
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 22 December 2017 16: 00
      +5
      Took off the tongue. Who only writes these articles?
      1. Victor Kamenev
        22 December 2017 17: 19
        25
        I write, and then what? How can you understand when you are dumb?
        1. iaroslav.mudryi
          iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2017 21: 11
          +6
          Under Gorlovka APU, a serious fire defeat was inflicted, which was filmed from a drone, as in Syria.

          In addition to your article, this video is from December 20 of 2017 of the year:
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        2. iaroslav.mudryi
          iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2017 21: 18
          +8
          .... and more on this topic:
          Mourning declared in Transcarpathia due to significant losses of the 128-th APU brigade in the Donbass
          20.12.2017 - 5: 30
          The day before, the Head of the Transcarpathian Regional State Administration, Gennady Moskal, signed a decree declaring December December 20 a day of mourning in connection with the death of the military of the 128 th APU brigade during battles in the Donbass.
          On Wednesday, December 20, Ukrainian flags will be lowered on the buildings of state institutions, local governments, enterprises and organizations of the Transcarpathian region.
          As Russian Spring reported, on Monday near Gorlovka a group of Ukrainian invaders was destroyed, shelling residential areas and positions of the DPR Army.
          The shell exploded in the positions of the APU. The explosion killed three VSUshniks from Transcarpathia and Chernihiv. The killed men served in the Transcarpathian 128-th separate mountain infantry brigade, which is based in Mukachevo: 34-year-old Timofei Genish from Rakhov, 37-year-old Andrei Sipavka from Uzhgorod and an unnamed soldier from the Chernigov region. There is no data on the wounded.
          Recall that on December 12 in the same area near Gorlovka Mikhail Kushnir, who served in the same 128 brigade, was killed.
          And at the end of November, another war criminal from the 128 th OGPB Alexander Yarotsky was liquidated.
          On the same days, a truck with 128 brigade servicemen was blown up in their own mine, resulting in the death of three soldiers in it.
          It is known that it is the punishers from the 54 and 128 th brigades of the Armed Forces who conduct targeted shelling from artillery weapons of peaceful quarters of the settlements of Dolomitnoye, Golmovsky and Zaitsevo.
          Source: http://rusvesna.su/news/1513728617?utm_campaign=t
          ransit & utm_source = mirtesen & utm_medium = new
          s & from = mirtesen
          1. Alber
            Alber 24 December 2017 05: 47
            +3
            Quote: iaroslav.mudryi
            The explosion killed three VSUshniks from Transcarpathia and Chernihiv. The killed men served in the Transcarpathian 128th Separate Mountain Infantry Brigade, which is based in Mukachevo: 34-year-old Timofei Genish from Rakhov, 37-year-old Andrei Sipavka from Uzhgorod and an unnamed soldier from the Chernigov region

            Quote: iaroslav.mudryi
            Mikhail Kushnir, who served in the same 128th brigade.

            Quote: iaroslav.mudryi
            eliminated another war criminal from the 128th OGBP Alexander Yarotsky.


            No wonder criminals. With such surnames - Genishi, Sipavki, Yarotsky ...
            Typical Banderofashists
          2. MOSKVITYANIN
            MOSKVITYANIN 24 December 2017 16: 54
            +1
            iaroslav.mudryi Mourning declared in Transcarpathia due to significant losses of the 128-th APU brigade in the Donbass

            Former 128 GSD NE USSR. Throwing mountain shooters as a simple infantry is the same as hammering nails with an ingot of gold. However, in Chechnya, we also acted ....
            1. Dormidont
              Dormidont 26 December 2017 21: 50
              0
              Somewhat rashly compare ukrobanda with a piece of gold. With a piece ... - it will be more accurate
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        3. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 24 December 2017 02: 07
          +4
          Victor Kamenev A quick and rather silent withdrawal of our officers from the JCCC says that Moscow is preparing a tough Donbass “answer to Chamberlain”, and not only Bandera, but also the USA and Canada. In the contact line in the Donbass there are in fact not only Bandera troops against the militias, but also America against Russia.

          What prevented the Russian Federation from doing this earlier, had to wait three years? If economic and political sanctions are imposed on the Russian Federation, which are constantly being extended and strengthened, and the Russian Federation still cannot decide how important the Donbass is to it, can the Russian Federation be considered a mazahist who likes humiliation from the West?
          If you put up with sanctions, then for the sake of bright ideas and benefits for the Russian Federation, and not for the sake of idle chatter .....
          1. Dormidont
            Dormidont 26 December 2017 21: 51
            0
            Do you want to run for president? Very smart you see
            1. MOSKVITYANIN
              MOSKVITYANIN 27 December 2017 02: 04
              0
              Quote: Dormidont
              Very smart you see

              Looks like. I understand it's hard for you to find an audience here, gee ...
      2. 210ox
        210ox 22 December 2017 18: 02
        13
        People write who don’t care about Donbass. And do not play political cards with cheaters ..
        Quote: Sam_gosling
        Took off the tongue. Who only writes these articles?
        1. dSK
          dSK 23 December 2017 00: 14
          +5
          Hello Dmitry!
          Quote: 210ox
          Donbass is not indifferent
          Every day in all the Orthodox churches of Russia, with the blessing of Patriarch Kirill, a prayer is read for the third year to end the war in Ukraine, and we believe that the Lord God will not disregard stubborn "collective" requests.
          1. dSK
            dSK 23 December 2017 00: 22
            +5
            According to Sergei Shoigu: “More than 48 thousand servicemen of the Russian army received invaluable combat experience in Syria. Of these, more than 14 thousand were awarded state awards." He also said that almost all new types of weapons, including the Iskanders, were tested in Syria. The withdrawal of troops from Syria is completed ".
            Fighters will celebrate New Year and Christmas of Christ with their family. And everything goes to the fact that Russian armed peacekeepers will be introduced to the Donbass to protect civilians. hi
    2. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 25 December 2017 12: 47
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      This "bacchanalia" is time to end, otherwise it may end us ....

      In the event of provocation and escalation of hostilities, LDNR needs to launch a missile strike at the places of concentration of the "natava military." This garbage needs to be disposed of first and, grinning, with satisfaction, to observe how the amero-geeks screech "and what for us?" It is also possible to simultaneously eliminate several Natavian “advisers” so that Western non-humans would not at all seem to have honey - in a war, as in a war! When amero-geeks and their henchmen understand that some forces are stupidly shooting them out on the outskirts, they will rush headlong from the outskirts, throwing everything and everyone!
  2. zzdimk
    zzdimk 22 December 2017 15: 38
    10
    To be honest, with the DPR and LPR everything is so clear that it already causes vomiting: we get in there - they are recorded in the aggressors, we don't get in - the traitors.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      22 December 2017 17: 21
      18
      We got into it a long time ago, back in 2014, Putin said that Russia would not let Donbass down. As for further actions, do not give advice from the sofa for this. Here you need to think with the General Staff.
      1. groks
        groks 22 December 2017 17: 54
        21
        What Putin says is not even heard by his subordinates. How much is the percentage of fulfillment on behalf of the president?
        The article has everything except any analysis of the situation. However, the situation is generally not clear to anyone. One thing is clear - the Russian Federation looks worse and worse. No, maybe this is not so, but the mood, in any case in some places in the Lugansk region, right up to the “thrown”. This is not an analysis - I have a mother-in-law there.
        1. sheridans
          sheridans 23 December 2017 15: 01
          +2
          Your argument is power, damn it.
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 22 December 2017 19: 26
        +6
        Good afternoon!
        As I understand it, the situation escalated to the limit, and our observers were taken out so that they would not become hostages to the Natsiks.
      3. THE_SEAL
        THE_SEAL 27 December 2017 12: 54
        0
        think kamenev, think. the General Staff has been thinking since 2014. AND?
        De jure Donbass is the territory of Ukraine. Even the Russian Federation did not recognize the LC and the DNI.
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 22 December 2017 17: 22
      11
      Hello!!. YOU are asking the opposition to come. They will cope. It is necessary to discard the chaff for a long time, that we are not supplying a type of weapon. It's time to finish this gimmick. The West began to supply weapons, which means it’s time for us to decide.
      1. THE_SEAL
        THE_SEAL 27 December 2017 12: 55
        0
        Igor Borov, are you going to deliver weapons to your fellow soldiers?
    3. okean969
      okean969 22 December 2017 18: 31
      22
      Do not be afraid to be called aggressors, everything that could be hung on Russia has already been hanged, and for the sake of the opinion of the West, the people of Donbas should not suffer.
      1. AshiSolo
        AshiSolo 24 December 2017 16: 44
        +1
        Here you are beautiful: / And will you join the ranks of peacekeepers? They are touched by characters who from the side of the firewood throw up. The message is clear, it has been clear for three years now. Just sitting on a warm stove, to send a neighbor to the woods in the winter for firewood? Well ... Well, sort it out.
    4. SPACE
      SPACE 22 December 2017 19: 20
      +6
      Quote: zzdimk
      we get in there - recorded in the aggressors, do not get in - in traitors.

      That's right, and for whom will the people vote the most? This will be the answer about the near future of Ukraine, in cases of which.
  3. locos
    locos 22 December 2017 15: 39
    +6
    As always, Kamenev has slogans and loud phrases. Where's the analytics?
    1. Victor Kamenev
      22 December 2017 17: 22
      +9
      My analyst is not about you, so you are so bad, and vodka is always stale!
      1. locos
        locos 22 December 2017 19: 25
        +5
        No, it’s good for me. The third year I read you and laugh with your so-called analytics. How many times have you promised that Ukraine is about to break up? Can you tell me the start date of the war? And then 7.11 there was nothing.
        1. Antares
          Antares 24 December 2017 21: 57
          +1
          Quote: Locos
          How many times have you promised that Ukraine is about to break up?

          something didn’t happen with the tramp
          he came, but didn’t lift the sanctions;
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  4. cheburator
    cheburator 22 December 2017 15: 47
    17
    But is it not time to recognize the sovereignty of the DPR and LPR, as in South Ossetia and Abkhazia ?!
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 22 December 2017 15: 58
      16
      Citizenship must be issued.
    2. Victor Kamenev
      22 December 2017 17: 24
      10
      This issue is on the agenda, and it is getting hotter, most likely it will be resolved at the peak of the aggravation of the situation.
    3. vasya.pupkin
      vasya.pupkin 23 December 2017 13: 46
      +4
      To the Cheburator: Yeshe early V.V.P. at first he wants to calmly "hold the election of Putin" and celebrate the World Cup.
  5. tol100v
    tol100v 22 December 2017 16: 07
    +3
    What and why so in the Donbass, only Time will tell! And all the analytical "vanging" is useless.
  6. groks
    groks 22 December 2017 16: 23
    +4
    The dump of disparate facts and their very arbitrary (to put it mildly) interpretation. For the whole Western world this will be presented as flight. Such things should be done with the support of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which behaves very strangely in our country even after a powerful informational pumping. The author is a long minus.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      22 December 2017 17: 25
      +5
      That's what we care about the whole world? With this approach to analytics, it is better not to stick your nose.
      1. groks
        groks 22 December 2017 20: 37
        +2
        Those. foreign policy is not needed? At all? She is already gone, but should I abandon her completely?
    2. GAF
      GAF 22 December 2017 18: 46
      +4
      Quote: groks
      For the whole western world this will be presented as flight

      That it suddenly excited you as they introduce us. Few dead peacekeepers in South Ossetia or what? The valtsmans will not be killed (supposedly as a result of shelling from the republics), they will be taken hostage, and they will use this to the full extent as true merchants, just as disgusting as their pupils - bearded in Syria.
      1. groks
        groks 22 December 2017 20: 43
        +4
        Those. Could they not be killed or captured before? Why? What changed?
        The author considers himself an analyst. However, he did not even try to answer, but to ask such questions. To paraphrase one annoyingly (in a bad sense) - the questions did not fit.
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 23 December 2017 19: 49
          +2
          officers were supposed to work as part of monitoring compliance with the Minsk conspiracy. If this does not work, there is no sense in keeping officers there and putting them at risk. The situation is not improving but only getting worse. At some point, anything can happen. The remnants of Ukraine are already completely unpredictable.
          After all, there are real facts that Russian officers were used as a shield against retaliatory attacks.
          Although I agree that the text is confused.
          1. MOSKVITYANIN
            MOSKVITYANIN 24 December 2017 02: 13
            0
            Awaz Russian officers were used as a shield from retaliatory attacks.

            What did you just start using yesterday? Or at the beginning of their mission, there was no threat to their life?
  7. igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 22 December 2017 17: 24
    +2
    Quote: igor.borov775
    Hello!!. YOU are asking the opposition to come. They will cope. It is necessary to discard the chaff for a long time, that we are not supplying a type of weapon. It's time to finish this gimmick. The West began to supply weapons, which means it’s time for us to decide.
  8. turbris
    turbris 22 December 2017 18: 03
    +5
    I believe that our officers were brought out correctly, now let the other "guarantors" send their officers there, maybe then they will start moving? Before the election, the United States and their loyal vassal Poroshenko will certainly organize some kind of provocation in the Donbass, but after the election in Russia it is possible to expect more serious actions on the reverse side.
  9. samarin1969
    samarin1969 22 December 2017 18: 22
    +4
    The author is trying to imagine that the Russian exit from the JCCC is a kind of retaliatory “strong move” of the Kremlin.
    After April 2014, only the ringing of silver from the Garden of Gethsemane was strong .....
    1. Antares
      Antares 24 December 2017 22: 01
      +1
      Quote: samarin1969
      The author is trying to imagine that the Russian exit from the JCCC is a kind of retaliatory “strong move” of the Kremlin.

      there is a whole staff of “analysts” who should present any moves of the Kremlin as “strong moves”.
      HPP is growing from there.
      The truth of life is that much is done situationally. True, this does not prevent even blunders from being represented as successes and successes as hyper successes.
  10. tank64rus
    tank64rus 22 December 2017 19: 11
    10
    It's time to end up with these cheaters from politics. They understand only power and fear only power. But while in Moscow we will hold film festivals with the glorification of ukrofascists, shelling will be.
  11. izya top
    izya top 22 December 2017 19: 32
    +6
    provoking him into a direct war with Russia.
    gallop they gallop yes

    but not idiots
    1. dSK
      dSK 22 December 2017 20: 12
      +5
      “First of all, this is a positional war. In a sense, it’s like the First World War: the front line is practically unchanged, there are no tanks and planes anyway, only artillery is behind the soldiers’ trenches. Under these conditions, the war itself turns into military operations sabotage and reconnaissance groups (DRG) and snipers. The gunners too, but here, rather, not a war, but the continuation of it by terrorist methods on the part of the Ukrainian troops. On the part of the people's militia of both people's republics, the fire is in the vast majority of cases reciprocal. And what weapons are required for sabotage war and sniper war? That's it: a pistol that can "control" both with the native and with the ammunition captured behind enemy lines, a light wearable mortar and a heavy, on the contrary, sniper rifle. And in this sense, it turns out that military production in the liberated territories of Donbass is not accidental and not desperately saving, but rather of a strategic nature. Both from the military and from the economic point of view. (An article on the Tsargrad television channel 17: 41., 22.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX)
  12. Normal ok
    Normal ok 22 December 2017 19: 52
    +4
    Not an article but a pile of absurdities. For that on a cheers-patriotic theme.
  13. Ragoz
    Ragoz 22 December 2017 20: 27
    +3
    On maps of the whole world, it's time to rename Ukraine to BANDEROSTAN.
  14. German Titov
    German Titov 22 December 2017 21: 18
    +5
    Quote: Victor Kamenev
    Bandera perform "Minsk" and does not think

    “Bandera doesn’t think of fulfilling Minsk,” “respected Victor” (without “scumbag — he’s“ respected ”because he’s not indifferent). Bandera has nothing to do with it. Let the devils toss the hell out of hell. The withdrawal of the “Russians” from the JCCC means aggravation on the whole front. I hope that we will not say “Donetsk time 05.30” either.
  15. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 22 December 2017 23: 10
    +5
    It was obvious to everyone from the very beginning that the Minsk agreements resemble Andersen's tale of the naked king. The presidential election, I think, will lead to the end of these ritual political games. Donbass militia needs to be equipped with modern weapons, aviation. Personnel for the possession of these weapons, I think, are already prepared.
  16. Romin
    Romin 23 December 2017 01: 34
    +3
    Our state in the person of our president should already make some kind of decision, and not be confronted with a "stone with three arrows." Already it is becoming not only bitterly ridiculous from such a policy of the President of the Russian Federation, but deeper questions beg: So on whose side are you Mr. Putin? The opinion of the people on resolving the situation in the Donbass has long been known to the president. So what are we waiting for?
    Is our president capable of the right historical act or is he only capable of leading the liberal oligarchic caste ?!
    1. turbris
      turbris 23 December 2017 11: 53
      +3
      Romin - it’s good that you are so resolute and demand from the president the correct historical act. Only after making such a decision - will you and your relatives go volunteers to defend the Donbass?
      1. myobius59
        myobius59 23 December 2017 21: 23
        +1
        There they are no longer needed. On the next branch, I already wrote how I met a friend I had not seen for a long time. It turns out that he was in the Donbas from the age of 15. A month ago I came to rest., With the medal "For the Defense of Gorlovka", but apparently no longer will go back. After the destruction of Motorola and other similar commanders, Russian volunteers are slowly squeezed out. As Slava said, “there’s almost no ideological left”
  17. Overlock
    Overlock 23 December 2017 16: 36
    +1
    Quote: turbris
    Only after making such a decision - will you and your relatives go volunteers to defend the Donbass?

    your suggestions?
    1. turbris
      turbris 24 December 2017 12: 06
      +1
      Overlock - you don’t have to beat yourself in the chest, but you need to carry out a balanced, very cautious policy in the Donbass, not allowing yourself to be drawn into a large-scale conflict. On the other side, not only the Natsik of the Dobrobat, but also the Slavs, who were our brothers just recently and the new corpses, will not bring us any closer to any solution to this conflict.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 24 December 2017 17: 41
        +1
        do not pour water! YOUR SUGGESTIONS? While they are gone and you balabol!
        1. turbris
          turbris 24 December 2017 19: 36
          +2
          Overlock - are you not reading anything at all? “we must pursue a balanced, very cautious policy in the Donbass, not allowing us to get involved in a large-scale conflict” - these are my proposals, I repeat once again for people like you. Will we continue to have a dialogue like this? I have a lot of nicknames in stock, but education, unlike you, does not allow.
  18. Alexandr Kovalev
    Alexandr Kovalev 23 December 2017 17: 16
    +3
    all this will end when the "peaceful and deceived by propaganda" residents of Kiev will receive as a gift at least one Donbass Week from 152 mm calibers for everything that moves in the city!
    So that these New Ukrainians feel with their own skin what it means to be a superman (!).
    Their German counterparts remembered this lesson at the genetic level.
  19. esaul1950
    esaul1950 23 December 2017 17: 50
    +3
    Quote: dsk
    Hello Dmitry!
    Quote: 210ox
    Donbass is not indifferent
    Every day in all the Orthodox churches of Russia, with the blessing of Patriarch Kirill, a prayer is read for the third year to end the war in Ukraine, and we believe that the Lord God will not disregard stubborn "collective" requests.

    ... trust in God, but do not yawn. It's time to probably calm down the banderlog a bit?
  20. esaul1950
    esaul1950 23 December 2017 17: 58
    0
    Quote: Locos
    No, it’s good for me. The third year I read you and laugh with your so-called analytics. How many times have you promised that Ukraine is about to break up? Can you tell me the start date of the war? And then 7.11 there was nothing.

    Wait and wait!
  21. Baloo
    Baloo 23 December 2017 19: 38
    +4
    Quote: Victor Kamenev
    We got into it a long time ago, back in 2014, Putin said that Russia would not let Donbass down. As for further actions, do not give advice from the sofa for this. Here you need to think with the General Staff.

    To the very point. Our emotions prevail because they are poorly informed, at least most of us. Those who have the opportunity, and the word does not diverge from the deed, those have long been there.
  22. steelmaker
    steelmaker 23 December 2017 21: 05
    +3
    When it begins, do not arrange a truce and do not take prisoners.
  23. vissarion
    vissarion 23 December 2017 21: 55
    +4
    Apparently in the Donbass war will soon begin. They did it right. that brought our military. It is not possible to abandon your own in case of war. Now the guarantor is not up to Donbass. Soon the election, everything else is fading into the background. How crooks sat. so they sit. How our oligarchs forged loot in Ukraine. and forge. And everything suits everyone.
  24. Gnefredov
    Gnefredov 24 December 2017 00: 36
    +2
    LDNR should be annexed to Russia. And in the process of this action, point a finger (finger at choice) to the now defunct country, Yugoslavia.
  25. Fight
    Fight 24 December 2017 16: 39
    +2
    In our village ,, chamberlen ,, - a narrowing word! Often they say about strangers: “And what is this for?
  26. nickname7
    nickname7 24 December 2017 18: 43
    +3
    “that the Bandera regime is the complete puppet of the United States, and fulfills the function of“ containing Russia ”- the official foreign policy doctrine of the United States” is a very accurate and correct formulation. All political scientists Nekrasov, blaming the Russian Federation for some reason, forget to read the state doctrines that are in the public domain.
  27. Nemesis
    Nemesis 25 December 2017 00: 56
    +2
    The decision is right, but belated ... For a long time the obvious came to the Kremlin .... too long ....
  28. JonnyT
    JonnyT 26 December 2017 13: 45
    +1
    The conclusion of the observers is a correct and even belated decision.
    The fact that the intensification of military operations in the Donbas is not in doubt.
    All other passages and strong passages are nothing more than a "mantra of the sect of witnesses to the Kremlin’s many-runway."

    Putin is not stupid, and he will solve this issue BEFORE the elections, but he will do it as gently as possible, trying to maintain a system of power and loyalty of the population in Ukraine. Chaos in such a country is useless.

    As for personal opinion, we definitely need to marvel at all this American-Ragul reptile. Come with a single army (or horde), destroy the irreconcilable from the Armed Forces, and then mercilessly destroy the remains in the cities, cut, shoot, hang in the squares, and carry out cleanings. To burn the hell out of their farm, to feel all the "charms" of the war they unleashed. May they fully drink the cup of redemption.