Russian Crimea - victory in the confrontation with Porto

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April 8 is a significant date in stories Russia. In 1783, on that day, Catherine II signed a manifesto on the inclusion of the Crimea into the Russian Empire. The text of the famous manifesto has been preserved to this day, the historical document has been published and is available for viewing by everyone. Many articles and publications expressing the most varied points of view are devoted to the annexation of Crimea.

Relations between Turkey and the Russian Empire were never friendly. The interests of Russia in the Caucasus, in the Black Sea region, and also on the Crimean peninsula always contradicted the interests of the Ottoman Empire, which the European powers used successfully. Both states claimed the said territories and considered their rights to them lawful and fair. The Turks proceeded from the fact that the overwhelming majority of the population of the Crimea belonged to Muslims, and the nobility openly felt to cooperate with the Porte. The disputed territories were necessary and Russia. Especially actively used the problems of Russian-Turkish relations Great Britain, Poland, France. The 1768-1774 wars, as well as 1787-1792, approved the advantage of Russia and allowed to consolidate, finally, the territory of Crimea, as well as Taman and Kuban lands, to the empire.

Portrait of Catherine II Antropov Alexey Petrovich 1766 year


According to the results of the first Russian-Turkish war, Crimea gained formal independence, although in fact it obeyed the will of the Russian crown. Turkey’s attempts to extend its influence in the region, supported by European states, led to new clashes and the declaration of disputed territories subject to Russia. The Russian army during these years was at the peak of its combat capability. The actions of Bagration, Suvorov, Potemkin, Rumyantsev were a model of military art, so the empress decided the long overdue question of the southern borders, relying on the military power of the state. In the international arena, each of the opposing states gave its weighty arguments. The Turkish Sultan was outraged by the regular violation by the Russian authorities of the agreement reached, Catherine II pointed out that peace and security, in the name of which a peace treaty was concluded, were never achieved.

It is difficult to overestimate the importance of the annexation of Crimea to Russia, it is enough just to recall the desire of Russian princes, tsars and emperors to gain a foothold in the Black Sea. The inclusion of the territory in the empire meant a constant not only commercial, but also military presence in the region, as well as the development of the sea fleet. Especially unpleasant was the idea that the Russian Empire had a strong Black Sea Fleet for Europeans. They did their best to push the Turkish authorities to an open confrontation, which they were completely successful. The importance of integrating Crimea into the Russian state was also explained by the fact that after the publication of the manifesto, the borders were protected from constant invasions. Even in the civilized 18th century, the number of Russians stolen through the Crimean lands amounted to about two hundred thousand people. The issue of protecting their subjects was especially acute for the empress. Interestingly, on February 13, 1784, the Porta officially recognized the Russian citizenship of the Kuban and Crimea, although attempts to return the former possessions did not stop for a long time.



The independence of the Crimea as well, however, and the protectorate over it could not resolve the acute issues in relations with Porto. Even recognizing the sovereignty of the state, after the first Russian-Turkish war, the Sultan continued to prepare for a new confrontation, as well as to attempt to establish the Turkish government in the Crimea. The sovereignty of the Crimea was obtained under the Treaty of Kuchuk-Kaynardzhiyskogo, but in fact these lands were not independent. Russia also received the right to free passage through the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus, but for a full-fledged presence on the Black Sea, it was necessary to have a sufficient number of sea fortresses.

At the head of the Khanate was put fourth Devlet Giray. Already in 1776, military forces under the command of Lieutenant-General Prozorovsky were being introduced into the territory of an independent state. Russian troops are strengthening in Perekop. Hiding behind the need to seize the Russian property left in 1774, Catherine begins an open intervention in the south. At this time on the Taman Peninsula, the puppet Khan Shangin Giray is becoming stronger. 17 December of the same year to the forces of Prozorovsky moves Suvorov’s corps, which is opposed by the troops of Divlet-Girey, pleasing the Ottoman Empire.

It should be said that part of the Crimean aristocracy was interested in Turkish citizenship, however, according to Rumyantsev, the society was mainly a cause of the Russian Empire. There were no serious clashes on the territory of the state, local feudal lords soon joined Shangin-Giray, and Divlet-Girey fled with the Turkish troops to the Ottoman Empire. Shangin-Girey was elected a Crimean Khan, and Russia's influence became decisive in the region. However, the formal insecurity of the Crimea and the instability of power gave rise to Turkey to re-gather forces to fight for hegemony. The environment of the Empress perfectly understood the necessity of including the Crimea and adjacent territories into the state and arranging its borders with powerful and impregnable fortresses.

At the end of November 1777, Suvorov was appointed commander of the Kuban Corps and makes a detailed topographical description of the entrusted terrain, and also significantly strengthens the actual border with Turkey. Already in March, Suvorov was appointed commander not only of the Kuban, but also of the entire Crimea. A talented commander is taking a number of measures to promote the integration of southern territories into Russia, as well as the protection of new borders from invasion. He singled out four districts and equipped the coastal line with posts, placing Russian garrisons and weapons on them. A special order to the commanders and the rank and file was assigned to establish and strengthen friendly relations with the local population, which greatly disposed of the inhabitants.

However, the Turkish ships were still near the Bay of Akhtiar and were a serious threat. Suvorov set about building posts and forbade the Turks to take fresh water from the local river Belbek, as a result the enemy squadron was forced to withdraw to Sinop. The resettlement of Crimean Christians to the coast of the Azov Sea, as well as to the mouth of the Don, was no less effective, but such a measure aroused the indignation of Muslim nobility. Soon the number of Christians resettled in this area reached thirty thousand people.

The events held by Suvorov significantly weakened the opposition authorities in Crimea, and also allowed Catherine to finally extend her power to the newly acquired territories by issuing the Supreme Letter of May 21 from 1779. In the middle of the summer, 1779, Gassan-Gaza-Pasha, attempted to land a landing party, but Suvorov’s decisive behavior, as well as maneuvers under the leadership of Prince Bagration, thwarted the plans of the Turkish pasha.

The Turkish sultan did not abandon the attempt to return the Crimean Khanate and the lost territories under a peace treaty. In the autumn of 1781, with the assistance of the local nobility of the Turks, led by the brother of the current Khan Batyr-Giray, an uprising was raised, which the Russian troops quickly suppressed. Soon the rebellion was repeated, and the Russian protege Shagin-Girey fled to Kerch. Instead, the puppet Turkish khan Mahmud-Giray was proclaimed the Crimean Khan. The new ruler was not in power for long, he soon fell into Russian captivity, and at the head of the Khanate, Shagin-Girey again rose. However, fearing new revolts, conspiracies and coups, the protégé organized numerous executions and reprisals, which provoked even greater discontent. In February, 1783 of the year, on the urgent recommendation of Catherine II, Shagin-Giray abdicated the throne, and on April 8, Crimea passed under the authority of the Empress.

Russian Crimea - victory in the confrontation with Porto
Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov


Russian troops under the leadership of Suvorov and Potemkin settled on the territory of Taman and Kuban, and the units of Count de Balmain occupied the Crimea. Azov squadron Klokacheva covered the army from the sea. At the beginning of 1784, on the orders of Catherine, a magnificent city was founded, later called Sevastopol. Since May, the skilled diplomat Kutuzov has been working in Crimea 1783, it was he who was able to resolve the most acute foreign policy issues with the border states.

In a solemn ceremony on the flat top of the mountain called Ak-Kaya, Count Potemkin took an oath of allegiance from the Crimean nobility. After the high dignitaries and the elite, representatives of other sections of the local community took the oath. Crimea ceased to exist as an independent state and was integrated into the powerful empire.

Prince Grigory Potemkin-Tavrichesky


In August 1773 of the year, a talented manager General Igelstrom was appointed to the position of the head of the Crimea. Catherine II, as well as the commander-in-chief Potemkin, demanded that the friendly and respectful treatment of the local population from those present in the territory of the newly formed military empire. The government of the Tauride region included almost all of the former nobility, which contributed to the pacification of the social strata. Opponents of the rule of the Russian Empire fled to Turkey, therefore, a strong rejection of the new government, orders and structure did not arise.

22 February 1784, the Crimean population, taking into account belonging to a certain class, were given all the rights and assigned all the duties that were present in the imperial population. Suvorov left Crimea in April 1784 of the year and was generously rewarded for his services to the state. Russian prisoners who were on the territory of the Khanate were released and returned to their homeland, and property that previously belonged to the khan was attached to the state treasury. For most of the noble Tatar feudal lords, their possessions were preserved, in addition, they were given Russian titles. Cities and ports were declared open, foreign citizens could arrive in them, and settle as permanent residents, as well as receive Russian citizenship.

After the adoption of the Crimea as part of the empire and the introduction of Russian laws on its territory, the region began to rise economically. Thanks to the abolition of domestic trade duties, trade turnover has increased sharply. Vast fertile lands attracted enterprising people, and the flow of specialists and investments directed by the state contributed to the formation of garden plantations, agricultural and industrial enterprises in the Crimea. With 1785, the Crimean ports were exempt from trade duties for five years, which was an additional factor for attracting foreign capital to the developing region.

The development of the Crimea, the Taman Peninsula and the Kuban Catherine II and the subsequent emperors of the Russian state paid special attention. Soon the region, whose population had previously been predominantly engaged in cattle breeding, became a flourishing and rich region.
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  1. Tyumen
    -13
    April 8 2012 08: 46
    Count Potemkin took an oath of allegiance from the Crimean nobility.

    There was a great man, it’s not you crazy psychologist Peter,
    complaining about a German crazy more than a smart Russian,
    * ranks and money *.
    1. recitatorus
      +16
      April 8 2012 11: 16
      Suvorov, of course, is a genius, but about that time, who was he compared to Potemkin?!. Just one of the generals! The entire southern saga, including the Taurian one, this is primarily the merit of Prince Grigory Alexandrovich Potemkin-Tauride! For some reason, the role is still being blurred. But such cities as Sevastopol, Simferopol, Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa, as well as Melitopol, Mariupol and others were founded precisely by the prince ... And the role of field marshal Count Rumyantsev-Zadunaysky is also unceremoniously belittled ! .. So, if you remember, then you need to remember everything!
      1. Tyumen
        -1
        April 8 2012 11: 39
        Finally, I found a like-minded person. smile For me
        Potemkin stands far above the boiled Peter. Yes, and herself
        Catherine would never have become Great without Potemkin.
        1. Churchill
          +12
          April 8 2012 11: 54
          The reorganization of Potemkin and the return of his rightful place in history should first of all be attended to by the legislative assembly of St. Petersburg! But they sharpen the furs in his mansions! It’s time to respect the owner too.
        2. Oleg0705
          -13
          April 8 2012 12: 14
          tyumenets35 all minuses from me wink

          Pashto the history of Russia ...
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            1. Oleg0705
              -10
              April 8 2012 12: 27
              I’ll take a look at your literacy only in spelling

              why do you not like the marshal? choli star disease? wink
              1. Tyumen
                -10
                April 8 2012 12: 32
                He is the marshal for you, but for me a renegade, a graphomaniac
                and verbiage with a complex of loneliness.
                1. Oleg0705
                  -10
                  April 8 2012 12: 39
                  for me, as well as for everyone, I think the visitor to the site doesn’t even think about it and on your stotron streets the sun will be lit wink and the signs of foaming
                  1. Oleg0705
                    -10
                    April 8 2012 12: 45
                    damn just for talking with you minus lol
                    miss I gave lol
                    1. Oleg0705
                      -5
                      April 8 2012 15: 31
                      Hello to Feda Castrov wink
                      1. Oleg0705
                        -5
                        April 8 2012 17: 36
                        Hello to Maxim Tronin smile
  2. +3
    April 8 2012 09: 44
    Why was Peter a half-witted sadist?
    1. Tyumen
      -11
      April 8 2012 10: 26
      Well take an interest though, read. Apparently, from children's
      memories and alcoholism. I'll see how you do it yourself
      Then you will call him. Naturally, I do not deny merit,
      just rated as human.
      1. recitatorus
        +3
        April 8 2012 11: 23
        In Russia, a non-drinker is either a patient or a scum! Moreover, the patient is usually on his head. You can scream about the apology of alcoholism as much as you like, but life shows that folk wisdom is not without foundation! drinks
        1. Tyumen
          -10
          April 8 2012 11: 41
          The proverb is actually Ukrainian. I kind of calmly wrote.
          Do you dispute that alcoholism exacerbated Peter's cruelty?
          1. Churchill
            +10
            April 8 2012 11: 50
            Quote: Tyumen 35
            Tyumen35

            You can talk about Peter for a long time, but about matters that are closer to us: - it would be better if Gorbachev drank, but walked around the women than rebuilt! ..
            1. +2
              April 8 2012 13: 01
              "Misha marked" was under Raisa's thumb. Such "men" in the family are none,
              and his fate brought to lead such a huge state. Eventually -
              "all down the drain."
              1. gojesi
                0
                April 9 2012 14: 23
                Quote: askort154
                and his fate brought to lead such a huge state

                not "fate" but the STATE DEPARTMENT. Gorbachev is "Program ..."
        2. BMW
          BMW
          -3
          April 8 2012 12: 28
          I drink a little (I don’t drink vodka at all) and am going to not drink this poison at all. And the one who drinks is the omitted animal, subhuman. And the culture of drinking is the mask under which the animal hides. 50% of accidents and crimes are committed in a drunken stupor.
          1. -1
            April 8 2012 18: 29
            Quote: bmw
            I drink a little (I don’t drink vodka at all) and am going to not drink this poison at all. And the one who drinks is the omitted animal, subhuman.

            Yes, you are just a militant teetotaler. Among my friends there are non-drinkers, but such an antagonism as you do not arise between us.
          2. gojesi
            0
            April 9 2012 14: 19
            Quote: bmw
            I drink a little (I don’t drink vodka at all) and am going to not drink this poison at all

            So you think that "a little poison" is conditional - "useful", but a lot, conditionally "harmful" for you?
            Yes, you poison at least hydrocyanic acid and buckets, the trouble is not whether you go drunk or, conditionally, drunk ... The trouble is that a single drink of alcohol, a young 30-year-old man cuts off Paul for 3 years, or conditionally, God, whatever you want, call it ... And the alcohol from the blood does not disappear for 3 days, as the doctors lie, but for a 30-year-old healthy man with normal metabolism, after about 100 days, a woman will NEVER! Because all Christian denominations (Christians) DRINKED ALWAYS! Now figure out WHO YOU ARE BIRTH !!! The fact that our ancestors gave birth was called PEOPLE, that you gave birth - the electorate ... Do you feel the difference ???
        3. gojesi
          +1
          April 9 2012 14: 29
          Quote: recitatorus
          In Russia, a non-drinker is either a patient or a scum! Moreover, the patient is usually on his head.

          it is a pity that I can give you only one minus. In 1913, Russia was in the penultimate place in Europe in terms of alcohol consumption, only the Norwegians drank less than us in Europe! The tsar introduced the "Dry Law" which the Bolsheviks canceled only in 26, under the People's Commissar Rykov. The people contemptuously called vodka "rykovka". Women in Russia have never Touched ALCOHOL during their life !!!
          You are young, arrogant, definitely uneducated and probably not very smart.
  3. +14
    April 8 2012 10: 17
    it would not hurt to dig and hang Khrushev ... EBN with him for the company, because the drunk's mind didn’t have enough to denounce the transfer of Russian land ... it’s a pity that Putin quietly leaked the question of returning the Crimea .. the Japanese would have pulled all the guts out of Ukraine in its place, but would have achieved the return of the territory ...

    1. +3
      April 8 2012 18: 32
      Putin acts on a larger scale. His calculation is to return the whole of Ukraine as a half-part of Russia IMHO.
      1. +5
        April 8 2012 21: 43
        Quote: Nick
        Putin acts on a larger scale. His calculation is to return the whole of Ukraine as a half-part of Russia IMHO.


        It is curious that CIA analysts estimated that the amount of Russian subsidies due to underestimated gas prices from independence until the early 2000s amounted to about $ 40 billion. A similar figure appears after the signing of a new agreement linking the extension of the Russian fleet in Sevastopol and gas prices.
        "A man biting the hand that feeds him usually licks the boot that kicks him."
        If we discard the nonsense of individual entities, we need to ask ourselves the question: “What are the strategic interests of Ukraine”? From an economic point of view, the picture is very intelligible - today even large countries cannot afford the full range of modern production, therefore they choose their areas of specialization. In which they have almost the whole world as a market, giving the rest, domestic markets to manufacturers from other countries.
        Until 1991, there were two such systems in the world - Soviet and capitalist. There is still no example of a successful transition to the capitalist system. For Ukraine, the position of neutrality was optimal when it received preferences from both the Russian and the western sides. After the so-called “elections” of 2004, Ukraine made a radical ideological turn, putting on one partner. Thus, she, firstly, broke with her main market for products, and secondly, thereby lost the leverage on the West - if they are conquered, then what else do you want? Europe is not ready to take responsibility for the small Baltic countries belonging to the EU, and why does it need another multi-million dollar parasite and what is the point of opening its completely clogged markets for another competitor? At the same time, against the background of its own crisis unemployment, Europe no longer needs an army of potential cheap and not very qualified migrant workers ... The natural result was a crisis that was even stronger than the rest of the region ...

        Therefore, the field of maneuver for Yanukovych in the labor division market is very limited - the movement is open to the east, and even then, it’s very conditional to open the Russian markets amid a 30% decrease in gas costs in the production of steel is very expensive for its own metallurgists, and the feeling that we “One people”, after all the efforts of the orange people to reject this perception, no longer works. Therefore, the only way out for the Ukrainian economy (M. Khazin) is “this is not a direct attempt to“ capture ”Russian markets, but to use Russian resources to enter global markets. For this, it is necessary to create joint ventures in those industries where Russia has investment opportunities (nuclear power, aircraft, engine building, etc.), and Russia's share in the capital should not be dominant, and then bring the products of these enterprises to world markets. ”
        - M. Khazin

        Given the decline in US influence on control of world markets, the possibility of competition is expanding - therefore, a competent approach will gradually free up a "place in the sun." It should be understood that in a crisis, everyone will desperately fight for survival and the competition will be very strong, but the minimum chance remains. Unless, of course, the tendency does not prevail again - "I will poke out my eye - let my mother-in-law have a curve." Otherwise, the split and anarchy of the Wild Field
      2. +2
        April 9 2012 16: 40
        Quote: Nick
        Putin acts on a larger scale. His calculation is to return the whole of Ukraine as a half-part of Russia IMHO.


        This is unlikely to come out. At present, the reality is that Ukraine will be partitioned. And this is perhaps even more profitable for Russia. Some "zapadenskie" regions of Ukraine (for example, Ivano-Frakovskaya, Lvovskaya), Russia will do more harm than good at the present time. Therefore, let the European Union take them for itself, as "independent states". Crimea, Odessa, Lugansk, Kherson, Zaporozhye regions, and possibly Kharkiv, must be part of Russia. And two or three quasi-states of Western and Central Ukraine. Central Ukraine with its capital in Kiev will gradually fall under the protectorate of Russia. And the "zapadentsy" will spoil the blood of Europe a lot.
  4. +10
    April 8 2012 10: 19
    More of these half-wise, and would not have been willing to Russian lands.
    And in the Crimea, if the Russian fleet leaves from there, the American will immediately register there. And then the Crimea will begin to separate from Ukraine.
    And yet, under a peace treaty between Russia and Turkey, the Turks recognized the right to the peninsula, only for Russia. Moreover, Ukraine is already starting to pinch off its territories, its Western friends.
    1. Tyumen
      -7
      April 8 2012 10: 36
      Quote: sedoii
      half-witted

      This is your term. That's right - half-wise, that is, extravagant.
      1. -7
        April 8 2012 10: 57
        Tyumen35This is your term. That's right - half-wise, that is, extravagant .---- dear, read about other historical figures of this and other eras in the world !!! You will be surprised what those figures did! wink (O Tempore! O more!)
        1. Tyumen
          -8
          April 8 2012 11: 11
          datur, do you really think that I do not know what they were doing
          others? But Russia worries me, not the Huguenots.
      2. -9
        April 8 2012 10: 57
        That's right - half-wise, that is, extravagant.

        Yes, I admit., Here you got me.
        1. recitatorus
          +5
          April 8 2012 11: 20
          Even Catherine the Great said that not having bad habits is not an achievement, but only the absence of vice! ..
          1. Tyumen
            -8
            April 8 2012 11: 44
            Sobriety is not a virtue, but the absence of vice.
            Potemkin once said.
            1. Churchill
              +7
              April 8 2012 11: 57
              Allow me to correct you: Stirlitz is right, the words belong to Ekaterina Alekseevna, he himself read in her correspondence! And such a saying, close to the Russian heart, you yourself understand - it is not forgotten!
    2. biglow
      +3
      April 8 2012 18: 01
      our fleet will never leave Crimea
      1. Valgal
        -1
        April 9 2012 00: 03
        Let me know, does your fleet use the same flag as your nickname?
  5. +6
    April 8 2012 10: 59
    If, in a historical perspective, Russia does not return to Crimea and is unable to integrate Ukraine (possibly the eastern and southern parts) into its sphere of influence, then this will be an obvious diplomatic failure, since there is a sufficient number of prerequisites for such a development of events, at the moment Russia is demonstrating an incomprehensible policy towards Crimea and Ukraine, nothing at all about the behavior of the Ukrainian side, I’m at a loss to say sensible, it seems that the Ukrainian authorities are trying to sit with one fifth point at all possible chairs, in the end they are marking time, and I do not look at relations with Russia especially to get nervous at the highest level (I do not assess the attitude of the population among themselves, it is clearly a hundred times warmer than political ones). Such behavior of Ukraine, or rather its power, apparently causes the fear of losing sovereignty over the territory, fear of losing power, and therefore money and, accordingly, the voluntary loss "on which they are sitting" - this can all be understood, but I suppose if the historical process forms an acute challenge (claim) to the southern territories, then Ukraine does not currently have the strength and means to effectively solve it, and then you will have to choose the channel of the current. I would like the Russian government to be concerned about this issue in advance and do everything possible to ensure that this chosen channel was “ours”, and not NATO's or Turkish. I don’t want to offend anyone, but where there is no strong power and such territorial claims and misinterpretations, I do not separate Ukrainians from Russians and do not consider our peoples to be something different in historical progression, they are one and the same people and I want us to live together in peace and prosperity.
    1. patline
      +3
      April 8 2012 15: 34
      They will repent, repent with their sovereignty and timelessness, and then everything will go back to square one. No need, I think to be aggressive with Ukraine, we are fraternal peoples and after that there will come an understanding of a single state. Crimea, in the end, will be in a united country.
      1. Valgal
        -2
        April 9 2012 00: 38
        "They will get confused, get confused with their sovereignty and independence ..."

        Tuareg independence is a joy, and Ukrainians are worse than bondage.

        "... and then everything will return to normal", "... we are fraternal peoples and after that there will come an understanding of a single state"

        I wonder what will happen before "... then everything will come" or "... after will come"? :-))
    2. Valgal
      -2
      April 9 2012 00: 28
      "I would like the Russian authorities to be concerned about this issue in advance and to do everything possible to ensure that this chosen channel was" ours "and not NATO's or Turkish .."

      And you Gakkoga do not consider that:
      - Each country must take care of its own territorial integrity;
      - the fairway of Ukraine should be Ukrainian

      "... I do not separate Ukrainians from Russians and do not consider our peoples to be something different in the historical progression, they are one and the same people and I want us to live together in peace and prosperity."

      Do you consider the opinion of Ukrainians Gakkoga, or is their opinion on the national question and the issue of cohabitation secondary?
  6. +10
    April 8 2012 11: 06
    The drum, what politicians say, Crimea was Russian and will be Russian-ALWAYS
  7. KAZAKHSTAN
    -22
    April 8 2012 11: 13
    Even in those distant times, the world was divided into west and east. In the west there was the Vatican ... the Jesuits did black deeds ... By the way, Peter stands on the bones of millions of dead "his" people during the construction of this city

    Crimea has never been Russian.
    1. +9
      April 8 2012 11: 41
      The second time I meet your opinion, KAZAKHSTAN.
      The second time - past the cash register, as they say.
      "millions of dead" of their "people" - must be confirmed.
      About 5000 years, horses and pants (in another topic) - it would also be nice to at least give a link.
      Or are you ready to name the exact place - the first tamed horse and the first sewn pants.
      Among other things - they forgot the most essential - the invention of stirrups.
      Was not Russian Crimea?
      And the Principality of Tmutarakan, and the Kingdom of Bosporus - in terms of traditional history.
      Just reading ... there are few authors.
      1. Churchill
        +8
        April 8 2012 12: 05
        Igarr,
        I have no doubt that he will give you a lot of links now !!! From very authoritative sources !!! For example - Dr. Goebbels or something from the radio freedom ... Here the whole thing, who is the authority for whom! ..
      2. Marat
        +1
        April 9 2012 20: 18
        Crimea is an integral part of our Eurasian empire - and all the peoples living there are also its part. He was part of Russia under the kings and in the USSR - and earlier - in before the Russian times in the ancient empire of Eurasia.

        The current split is a temporary "troubled" period. There is a great hope that Ukraine (together with the Crimea) will nevertheless join the integration process of the 3 republics

        But even if this does not happen now, and perhaps for a dozen other years, Ukraine will "blab out" in uncertainty - but in a historical perspective, the reunification of parts of our Motherland is inevitable - I always repeat myself - the Eurasian Empire is a Phoenix bird which is thousands and thousands of years old
    2. +2
      April 8 2012 16: 34
      KAZAKHSTAN,
      I convey to you literally the words of Alexander Romanov:
      CRIMEA WAS RUSSIAN AND WILL BE RUSSIAN! You can consider
      b and my answer to your post!
      By the way, the cons are all from me!
    3. +3
      April 8 2012 18: 46
      Quote: KAZAKHSTAN
      Crimea has never been Russian.

      Bullshit ... or pathology already. Crimea belonged to different states at different times. Ancient Greeks or Romans for example. From the 18 century - Russia.
  8. +5
    April 8 2012 11: 21
    Illiterate German, having arrived in Russia, began to actively study the Russian language and Russian history! And do not introduce a culture underfloor, as did Peter and modern shit. She found talented people - And Potemkin and Suvorov! The annexation of the Crimea is a difficult task. By the way, And about Ukraine at that time I didn’t hear a rush ... Only the corrupt Speech of the Paspolit was.
    1. Churchill
      +10
      April 8 2012 12: 12
      Fike was brought to Russia by a 14-year-old girl, almost a child! .. And she studied not only the language and history of Russia, but also many other things unusual for the female of that era, philosophy, economics, rhetoric, and other things ... Unfortunately, descendants are more attracted by the spicy details of her biography, mostly sucked from a finger!
      1. +3
        April 8 2012 15: 56
        Therefore, she became a statesman of the highest level! And by the way, in Russia there were not so many leaders of the state of this level
  9. -13
    April 8 2012 11: 25
    There is a lot of evidence that Peter was replaced during the Great Embassy in Europe ....
    1. 0
      April 9 2012 14: 06
      Gyyy. Have you personally changed? or maybe caught in fact? laughing

      Well, if by some miracle, you’re right, the replacement has failed. You can ask the Swedes chtol am
    2. +2
      April 22 2012 19: 38
      For example, read an excerpt from D.S. Merezhkovsky. In his work “Antichrist,” he noted the complete change in the appearance, character, and psyche of Tsar Peter I after his return from the “German lands”, where he went for two weeks, and returned two years later. The Russian embassy, ​​accompanying the tsar, consisted of 20 people, and was headed by A.D. Menshikov. After returning to Russia, this embassy consisted of only the Dutch (including the notorious Lefort), only Menshikov remained the only one from the old composition. This “embassy” brought a completely different tsar, who did not speak Russian well, did not recognize his friends and relatives, which immediately gave out a substitution: This forced Tsarina Sophia, the sister of the real Tsar Peter I, to raise archers against the impostor. As you know, the Streltsy revolt was brutally suppressed, Sophia was hanged at the Spassky Gate of the Kremlin, the impostor sent Peter the 1's wife to the monastery, where she never arrived, and called her from Holland. Lzhepetr killed “his” brother Ivan V and “his” young children Alexander, Natalya and Lavrenty at once, although the official story tells us in a completely different way. And the youngest son, Alexei, was executed as soon as he tried to free his real father from the Bastille.
      Peter the Pretender has done such a transformation with Russia that we still have a goof. He began to act like an ordinary conqueror:
      - defeated Russian self-government - “zemstvo” and replaced it with the bureaucratic apparatus of the aliens who brought theft, debauchery and drunkenness to Russia, and they intensively planted it here;
      - transferred the peasants to the property of the nobles, which turned them into slaves (to bleach the image of the impostor, this “event” falls on Ivan IV);
      - defeated the merchants and began to plant industrialists, which led to the destruction of the former universality of people;
      - defeated the clergy - carriers of Russian culture and destroyed Orthodoxy, bringing it closer to Catholicism, which inevitably gave rise to atheism;
      - Introduced smoking, drinking alcohol and coffee;
      - destroyed the old Russian calendar, rejuvenating our civilization at 5503 of the year;
      - ordered all the Russian chronicles to be taken to Petersburg, and then, like Filaret, ordered them to be burned. He called on the German "professors"; write a completely different Russian story;
      - under the guise of a struggle with the old faith, he destroyed all the elders who lived more than three hundred years;
      - banned the cultivation of amaranth and the use of amaranth bread, which was the main food of the Russian people, thereby destroying the longevity on Earth, which then remained in Russia;
      - canceled the natural measures: fathom, finger, elbow, tops present in clothing, utensils and architecture, making them fixed in a Western manner. This led to the destruction of ancient Russian architecture and art, to the disappearance of the beauty of life. As a result, people ceased to be beautiful, since divine and vital proportions disappeared in their structure;
      - replaced the Russian titular system with the European one, which turned the peasants into an estate. Although the "peasant" is a title above the king, about which there is more than one evidence;
      - destroyed the Russian script, which consisted of an 151 mark, and introduced the 43 mark of the written script of Cyril and Methodius;
      - disarmed the Russian army, destroying the archers as a caste with their wonderful abilities and magic weapons, and in the European manner introduced primitive firearms and stabbing weapons, disguising the army first in French and then in German uniforms, although the Russian military uniform was itself a weapon. The people of the new regiments were called "amusing."
      But his main crime is the destruction of Russian education (image + sculpture), the essence of which was to create three subtle bodies in a person that he does not receive from birth, and if they are not formed, then consciousness will not have a connection with the consciousnesses of past lives. If in Russian educational institutions a wagon was made of a man who could, starting from bast shoes and ending with a spaceship, do everything himself, then Peter introduced a specialization that made him dependent on others.
      Prior to Peter the Pretender, Russia did not know what wine was, he ordered the barrels of wine to be rolled out to the square and the townspeople free to drink. This was done to obliterate the memory of a past life. During the period of Peter the persecution of born babies continued, remembering their past lives and knowing how to speak. Their persecution began even with John IV. The mass destruction of babies with a memory of a past life has cast a curse on all incarnations of such children.
      1. gojesi
        +1
        April 22 2012 20: 38
        Dew.
        One of not many comments of a person intelligible and understanding hidden and hidden Processes! Bravo! You are a huge plus! everyone sees, quotes and comments only the CONSEQUENCES that they stick under the nose, like - eat, you specify the REASON!
        A greater evil for Russia than Peter did only the Jew Vladimir - "Red Sun".
  10. Georg Shep
    +6
    April 8 2012 12: 21
    Glory to Catherine the Great and the great Russian statesmen and military figures! Through them, Mother Russia developed and grew.
    1. +4
      April 8 2012 12: 59
      Yes. the current Russian authorities in this German woman are indignant at giving and giving out disputed territories
  11. +7
    April 8 2012 12: 42
    Yes, it coincided at that time, a whole galaxy of great people, a rare coincidence.
    Way for vezunhik Catherine was not illiterate, she simply did not know Russian well when she arrived in Russia. Here is an excerpt from the biography The family of the Duke of Zerbst was not rich, Catherine received a home education. She studied English and French, dance, music, the basics of history, geography, theology. She grew up a playful, inquisitive, playful and even poor girl, she loved to play pranks and flaunt her courage in front of the boys, whom she easily played on the streets of Stetin. In the painting, Catherine after arriving in Russia, a portrait by Louis Karavak
    1. Jaromir
      +4
      April 8 2012 12: 56
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      She grew up a playful, inquisitive, playful and even poor girl

      She still climbed for apples, easily! ..
    2. +4
      April 8 2012 16: 09
      Fikchen was the first child of the four barons of the Anhalt-Zerbst - the daughter of the hotly expected offspring. The Baroness was still very young, in addition, capricious, frivolous and proud - her motherly feelings for her eldest daughter did not awaken in her soul. When Sofia-Augusta-Frederica grew up, her mother was convinced that her first-born was simply an impossible child. The girl was, as already noted, stubborn, self-willed, and at the same time quite brisk, restless, boyish manners began to appear in her early. In addition, Fikhen was, according to her mother, hopelessly ugly. All together, this seems to be in no way consistent with the Duchess's idea of ​​an ideal princess.
      Such a princess, apparently, was going to be made from Sofia-Augusta-Frederica by the Frenchwoman Madeleine Cardel, into whose care the girl passed at the age of two. However, Madeleine was not interested in who the child would become in reality. She was only important that Fikkhen looked in front of the duchess the way she wants it. According to Catherine, this governess was "of an insinuating character, but was considered slightly fake." "She was completely concerned that I, and she, too, appeared in front of my dad and mom in such a way that they could like them. The consequence of this was that I became very secretive for my own age."
      the former German princess was able to learn Russian perfectly. Then she studied Church Slavonic, henceforth, to the extent that she did translations of the lives of Russian saints from monastic books into the modern Russian language. In this, of course, the Empress was helped by the fact that, from early childhood, the broad and flexible mind of the young princess was constantly evolving. This mind used to work. At four, the little princess Sofia-Augusta-Frederic was taught to read. However, we would not recommend modern parents to take an example from the educators of the future Catherine II. Earlier, joining primary education is far from constant and not everyone benefits. But let's not forget that in the eighteenth century, people grew up much earlier than today, earlier they began adult life. At seven, the princess girl was already considered an adult. She was obliged to give up toys, was obliged already to think very well about her position in society. Parents began to think about the future party for her. Therefore, by then, what could be called primary education in this case should already have been completed.
  12. +2
    April 8 2012 13: 51
    Crimea must be returned to the jurisdiction of Russia at all costs! And the sooner, the better and more painless for everyone. And this solution should be in the heads of our diplomats every day. Is there really no way!? Crimea should be ours!
    1. +2
      April 8 2012 16: 25
      For sergj0000 It is necessary to return Ukraine, well, maybe not quite under the jurisdiction, and not quite at any cost, along with Crimea. And this decision should be in the minds of not only diplomats, but also the highest statesmen.
      1. Valgal
        -2
        April 9 2012 00: 49
        For sergo0000 and saturn.mmm
        Gentlemen, are you ready to lay down your "riotous heads" "in the struggle for this", or will Klava and the monitor endure everything?
        1. 0
          April 9 2012 17: 10
          Quote: ValGal
          Gentlemen, are you ready to lay down your "riotous heads" "in the struggle for this", or will Klava and the monitor endure everything?


          There are a thousand ways to get Crimea back without "throwing wild heads." Modern political technologies have made great strides forward.
          1. Valgal
            -1
            April 9 2012 23: 52
            Quote from Saruman "There are a thousand ways to return Crimea without" putting down wild heads. "Modern political technologies have made great strides forward."
            Good evening Saruman! The fact is that sergo0000 and saturn.mmm and you, too, what a sin to conceal, too "... Currently, the reality is this: Ukraine will be divided. ...... Crimea, Odessa, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporizhzhya regions, and possibly Kharkiv. And two or three quasi-states of Western and Central Ukraine. Central Ukraine with its capital in Kiev will gradually fall under the protectorate of Russia. " talked not only about the Crimea. And this is a war in a neighboring state. And if you have dreams of such prospects, then it will come to weapons. Empire building requires sacrifice. And I understand that you don’t want to donate my krovushku to you gentlemen.
    2. Marat
      +1
      April 9 2012 20: 21
      We must not return Crimea - we must bring the whole of Ukraine to reunion

      And God forbid us to make a terrible split between the parts of essentially one people, making the idea of ​​secession of Crimea popular

      This is an extreme measure - when there is no other way out (with the split of Ukraine - external aggression, etc.)
      1. Valgal
        -1
        April 9 2012 23: 02
        Honorable Marat, excuse me for my insolence, but how does it mean "... it is necessary to involve all of Ukraine in reunification"? Is it almost the same as "prosecuted" or what? :-))
  13. +5
    April 8 2012 14: 05
    Hello Sergo, I’m getting out of the phone, the answer doesn’t always work, I ask you to pass my answer to the Kazakhstani-CRIMEAN WAS RUSSIAN AND WILL BE RUSSIAN-let him remember this, but rather write it down so as not to forget! Sincerely, Sergey-Alexander.
  14. -1
    April 8 2012 16: 26
    Alexander Romanov,
    laughing Greetings, Alexander! I have the same trouble with the phone. Sometimes I have to give an answer to a person, but it doesn’t work out! I’ll definitely tell you if you put in the comments. I support you! drinks
  15. -1
    April 8 2012 16: 59
    saturn.mmm,
    I completely agree! But I'm afraid so far they have such a government in power, this is hardly possible! Look at things more realistically!
    Yours!
  16. predator
    +1
    April 8 2012 22: 57
    With the announcement of the Catherine’s Manifesto 2 of April 8, 1783, which destroyed the independence of the last Nogai state, the situation among the Nogais again sharply worsened and General A.V. Suvorov, the commander of the troops in the Crimea and the Kuban, required great diplomatic skill and only using internal contradictions among the Nogais, they managed to convince of the need for a voluntary transition to Russian citizenship. This is an invaluable service A.V. Suvorov was beaten by the Etisan horde, Jan-Mambet-biy, to whom General Suvorov had the warmest feelings, and long before these events, as a sign of respect, he presented the biy with a 16-year-old Circassian.
    A.V. Suvorov pulled three regiments and artillery of the Kuban corps to the Kopyl fortress, fearing trouble with a large concentration of Nogais. The swearing in took place on June 28, 1783, culminating in a ceremonial parade of troops and a feast in the Oriental style. On July 9, 1783, Suvorov again gathered the Nogais and had a dinner, during which 100 bulls and 800 sheep were eaten. For the accession of the Nogais to Russia by Decree of Catherine 2 of June 28, 1783, General Suvorov was awarded the Order of St. Vladimir of the 1st degree. The Russian command sighed in relief. It seemed to them that the Nogai problem could be resolved peacefully.
    In the imperial court, a project was prepared for the resettlement of the Nogais to the Urals, and its implementation in the life of the governor in southern Russia, Prince G.A. Potemkin instructed Suvorov. An attempt to start resettlement in July 1783 led to an uprising of the Nogais led by Kanakai-murza, Tav-soltan, Nuradin, Ali, Kara-smail and Musa Ves. At the beginning of September, 10 thousand Nogai riders suddenly appeared in front of the Yeisk fortress and tried to take it by storm.
    Learning about the September performance of the Nogais, G.A. Potemkin instructed the commander of the Kuban army, General Suvorov, on a campaign in the Kuban and Laba, where the bulk of the rebel tribes concentrated. In pursuance of this order, Suvorov developed a plan of operation and submitted it to Prince Potemkin for approval. According to this plan, on October 1, the troops of the Kuban Corps of General Suvorov, consisting of 15 squadrons, 15 companies with artillery were to join in the Kuban opposite the mouth of the Laba with the Don army of Ataman A.I. Ilovaisky, consisting of 10 regiments. The coordination of troops was agreed in advance. A.V. Suvorov, in order to lull the vigilance of the Nogai rebels, spread rumors that he had “moved to Poltava, that the troops had been converted inside Russia for the war with the Germans, that a small part of them should be for the war with the Persians, and that the Nogais were ordered to be left alone. ”
    In the strictest secrecy, the troops of General Suvorov appeared on September 19, 1783.
    The Kuban corps traveled 10 days, moving exclusively at night. On these cold nights, it was forbidden to burn bonfires even for cooking. During the day, shelves sat in reeds and ravines. A few nights before arriving at the place, Suvorov ordered that horses, wheels of carts and guns be wrapped with felt, the latter carefully lubricated so that they would not creak while moving. All these measures were taken due to the fact that on the other side there were Nogai pickets and any creaking, the sound of hooves, a trickle of smoke could betray the presence of Russian troops.
    On September 29, the army of Suvorov, not seen by anyone, reached the mouth of Laba, where 10 Cossack Don regiments were waiting for them. The historiographer Suvorova writes that the rest did not require special military art. Suvorov gave the order, which was read out in front of each regiment in the evening: “- There is no rest for the troops until a decisive defeat, destruction or captivity of the enemy. If he’s not close, then look for him everywhere, take care of bullets, work with cold steel ... Dragoons and Cossacks shouldn’t get off their horses for production: 4 units of the army are going for production, and the rest are ready, ”says the story of the 44th Dragoon Regiment. On the night of September 30 to October 1, the Russian regiments crossed the Kuban and 12 kilometers in the town of Kermenchik at dawn surrounded the Nogais, who stood in a huge camp and did not expect an attack.
    In the predawn hours, when the bulk of the rebels performed the morning prayer, General Suvorov gave a signal to attack. Nizhny Novgorod, Vladimir and Don Cossacks from all sides without shots rushed at the Nogais. Potto V. describes the actions of the Nogai taken aback: “- Worse armed, worse led, undisciplined, not having a clue about the order, Nogai were slaughtered and killed by the masses. In impotent rage, they themselves destroyed their jewelry, killed their children, slaughtered women so that they would not be captured. ” The fight with varying success lasted all day and only at 10 pm the Nogais began to retreat. Only the Nizhny Novgorod regiment, pursuing the enemy, destroyed more than 10 thousand Nogais.
    In the battle at the mouth of the Laba heroically all the leaders of the uprising died, almost all the Murzes of the once powerful Etishkul, Etisan, Dzhemboylukovsky tribes with the entire adult population fell. The search and extermination of the Nogais continued for several weeks everywhere in the places of resettlement of the Nogais. In addition to 16 regiments, local garrisons were involved in the operation practically throughout the North Caucasus.
    According to various estimates, tsarism destroyed more than 500 thousand Nogais; more than a million were forced to emigrate to Turkey. When Catherine 2 was informed about the suppression of the Nogais, she exclaimed that the Nogai issue had been resolved completely.
    1. -1
      April 9 2012 13: 34
      "Tsarism destroyed, according to various estimates, more than 500 thousand Nogais, more than a million were forced to emigrate to Turkey. When Catherine II was informed about the suppression of the Nogais, she exclaimed that the Nogai issue was finally resolved."

      Ek you my friend rush in a digital figure!
      Thinking and measuring by time and place you can come to credibility.
      And then according to Goebels it turns out.
      1. Valgal
        -1
        April 9 2012 17: 01
        Dear Vlaleks48, do you think that the formation of the Russian empire took place exclusively by peaceful means, or do you think that only Goebels compatriots could commit war crimes?
      2. predator
        0
        April 9 2012 23: 43
        At the end of the Russo-Turkish war, in 1774, Matvey Ivanovich Platov (1753-1818), the future legendary chieftain of the Great Don Army, and at that time still a colonel, led one of the Don Cossack regiments (the staff of the regiment - 501 people) at the forefront a convoy with refugees leaving Kuban and food for supplying Russian troops on the Caucasian line. The commander of the second vanguard Cossack regiment is Colonel Stepan Larionov. The convoy was headed by Colonel Bukhvostov.

        In the steppe near the river. Kalalakh (translated from Turk. - Great Dirt) transport was suddenly attacked by the combined Nogai and Crimean Tatar hordes of 10 thousand horsemen. Each rider led three more clockwork (that is, in occasion of) horses. One shift horse and two pack ones, since neither the Nogais nor the Tatars (like their predecessors, the Mongols), like the Don Cossacks, used carts during raids.

        And initially the song began with the following words:

        On the Great Mud, where Black Erik is,
        Tatarva caught up with forty thousand horses. (or according to another version: Forty thousand horses were kicked out.)
        And Erik was indignant, and the shore was covered
        Hundreds of chopped, shot people!

        and later the song sounds differently:

        Like the formidable Terek and the high coast,
        Cossacks drove out forty thousand horses.
        And the field covered, and the shore covered
        Hundreds of chopped, shot people.
        Love, brothers, love,
        Love, brothers, live!
        With our chieftain you do not have to bother!
        Love, brothers, love,
        Love, brothers, live!
        With our chieftain you do not have to bother!

        Ataman finds out who is missing -
        Replenish a hundred, but forget about me.
        It’s a pity that only a spin and a wide pole,
        The sun is hot and faithful horse.
        Love, brothers, love,
        Love, brothers, live!
        With our chieftain you do not have to bother!
        Love, brothers, love,
        Love, brothers, live!
        With our chieftain you do not have to bother!

        And the first bullet, and the first bullet,
        And the first bullet in the leg wounded the horse.
        And the second bullet, and the second bullet,
        And the second bullet in my heart hurt me.
        Love, brothers, love,
        Love, brothers, live!
        With our chieftain you do not have to bother!
        Love, brothers, love,
        Love, brothers, live!
        With our chieftain you do not have to bother!

        Zhinka grieves, marries another,
        For movo comrade, forget about me.
        It’s a pity only the will in a wide field,
        It’s a pity the old mother and the bulan horse.
        Love, brothers, love,
        Love, brothers, live!
        With our chieftain you do not have to bother!
        Love, brothers, love,
        Love, brothers, live!
        With our chieftain you do not have to bother!

        It will rain cold, it will rain cold
        It will rain cold to wash my bones.
        There will be a black raven, there will be a black raven,
        Black raven will peck my hair.
        Love, brothers, love,
        Love, brothers, live!
        With our chieftain you do not have to bother!
        Love, brothers, love,
        Love, brothers, live!
        With our chieftain you do not have to bother!

        Like a free Terek, like a formidable Terek
        Cossacks drove out forty thousand horses.
        And the field covered, and the shore covered
        Hundreds of chopped, shot people.
        Love, brothers, love,
        Love, brothers, live!
        With our chieftain you do not have to bother!
        Love, brothers, love,
        Love, brothers, live!
        With our chieftain, you can add up your head!

        A very beautiful song, especially like performed by J. Bichevskaya!
        But Nogai is just a kindred people to me, and Parthenigenoss Goebbels has nothing to do with it! history must be accepted, no matter how bitter it may be!
  17. public
    0
    April 8 2012 23: 33
    no matter what they say, the accession of these lands played an important role in the construction of Russia. and only Yeltsin and Putin believe Crimea is not Russian land. and gave it to Ukraine. I would look at Putin if Yeltsin gave his childhood city to the finals.
  18. Alex63
    0
    April 9 2012 10: 59
    There was a time when Russian tsars and Russian statesmen increased the glory of Russia and annexed new territories to it. At the same time, they took care of the indigenous population, took it under their protection and did not oppress it, unlike the rulers of other states. Although Russia pursued a policy of conquest to some extent, it was humane, the annexed peoples only benefited from this. The time has come and the current Russian "figures" for some twenty years have profited, drank and sold what the Russian tsars had been saving for centuries. Baltics, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Central Asia, Transcaucasia. Once, the peoples of these countries begged the Russians to accept them. The Russians accepted and protected them, while shedding a lot of Russian blood, which would be the case with the same Georgians, Ukrainians, Belarusians. These states simply would not exist if it were not for the Russians. Now, thanks to the policy of the current rulers of Russia, the Russian people suddenly became an invader, an occupier. Someday the trial of HISTORY will take place over those who ruled our country for these twenty years.
  19. jenifer
    0
    April 9 2012 13: 53
    Love for parents is the basis of all virtues. Cicero
    The more talented and capable a person is, the more irritated and tormented he teaches. Cicero
  20. NUT
    NUT
    +1
    April 9 2012 14: 53
    fellow By the way, April 8, 2013 marks exactly 230 years since the day that Catherine II signed a manifesto on the inclusion of Crimea in the Russian Empire.

    On this occasion, oh no harm it would be to declare a day off throughout the Navy of the Black Sea - a holiday ... drinks

    Flotation flags on warships ... bully

    In Hero Cities festivities laughing and concerts for young people (to learn recourse and remember for what this ...).

    In the evening over the sea, our most Black is not a weak fireworks "zababahat" good .

    To issue a coin and a postage stamp - a jubilee, but all the media to boast about it tongue , and so on and so forth ...

    In general, a holiday, everything is as a trace and as an adult love

    Well, at the same time, the reaction of those "independent-independent" - with whom we do not drink, check it out or just have fun lol
    1. NUT
      NUT
      0
      April 9 2012 15: 32
      Quote: NUT
      In general, a holiday, everything is as a trace and as an adult

      Do not be lazy, you need to remind - who is the boss in the house angry
    2. Valgal
      -1
      April 9 2012 17: 16
      "Well, at the same time, the reaction of those" independent-independent "- with whom we do not drink, check it out or just have fun"
      Dear WALNUT, and with "independent-independent" do not drink out of principle or for fun? :-)). And how to understand the flag on the nickname "independent-independent" and do not drink with "independent-independent"?
  21. Valgal
    -1
    April 9 2012 23: 21
    "Quote: WALNUT
    In general, a holiday, everything is as a trace and as an adult

    Do not be lazy, you need to remind - who is the boss "

    Dear WALNUT, excuse me for the basics, but the words "... everything is like a trace and according to an adult" is well, very much not an adult. :-))
    And even if there is a master in the house, then why all the time to remind someone about this?
  22. jenifer
    0
    April 10 2012 03: 48
    A woman shines - the whole house shines, a woman is gloomy - the whole house is plunged into darkness.
  23. jenifer
    +1
    7 June 2012 05: 51
    A noble husband blames himself, a small man blames others. Confucius
  24. jenifer
    0
    8 June 2012 13: 45
    The best horses come out of the wildest foals, if only they should be raised and rode properly. Plutarch
  25. BorisBM
    0
    19 June 2012 14: 44
    It is difficult to overestimate the work of our ancestors on the construction of the Russian state. How much energy and energy they spent to achieve the greatness and power of our beloved Motherland does not know anyone living. How and who opposed them knows History and we know. All the same, but other faces and appearances. All the same England, all the same France, etc. But they survived and won, they won for us. But now what has changed? All the same and all the same want the death of the state ours. And it is dying. And are we going to calmly look at it ??
  26. +15
    4 November 2017 19: 35
    Nakarkali
    Chur him