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Chinese competitor Iskander: modular missile system SY400 / BP-12A

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18 December 2017 for the first time at a military parade in Doha, the capital of Qatar, for the first time, the Qatari military demonstrated the Chinese tactical missile systems BP-12A, which they call a competitor to the Russian Iskander-E OTRK. The parade in the capital of Qatar was organized in honor of the National Day of this state. Traditionally, it is celebrated on the anniversary of the ascension to the throne in 1878, Sheikh Jasim bin Muhammad Al-Thani, who is considered the founder of modern Qatar.


Qatar became the first documented buyer of this Chinese missile system. Earlier in the year, information appeared that the SY400 / BP-12A OTRK also acquired Myanmar, but there is currently no official confirmation of this information. The BP-12A missile system was designed by engineers from China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) and is the development of B-611 solid-propellant short-range ballistic missiles, the development of which began in the 1995 year. The BP-12A rocket, which received a satellite guidance system, became a branch from this family. The range of their flight is 300-400 km (estimated), the weight of the warhead is 480 kg. A feature of the rocket is that it can be used on the chassis of the high-precision missile system SY-400.

Chinese competitor Iskander: modular missile system SY400 / BP-12A
OTRK Chinese production with ballistic missiles BP-12A at ​​a military parade of the armed forces of Qatar. Doha, 18.12.207 (c) qatar.liveuamap.com

The BP-12A rocket manufactured by China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) is often confused with another Chinese rocket M20 from their competitors from another Chinese corporation China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC). Moreover, these are different ballistic missiles and different systems. The launcher demonstrated at the parade in Qatar is the carrier of the BP-12A missiles.

On this chassis, CASIC is actively promoting a modular missile system to the market, including SY400 missiles with a range of up to 180 km and BP-12A with a range of up to 300 km (the maximum official range for exporting missiles with a payload of 500 kg is declared, according to the missile control mode technologies). With missiles with a range of 300 km, Qatar is able to strike at Saudi Arabia’s main oil-producing sites on the coast of the Persian Gulf.


Most likely, this tactical missile system was acquired from China to demonstrate such capabilities. At the same time, the BP-12A rocket itself can potentially fly further than 300 kilometers. There is information that its maximum range is 400 km, but this figure may not be the limit of its capabilities. As you know, you can write one thing on paper, but in fact you can get something completely different, especially if the customer is such a rich state as Qatar. Moreover, the People's Republic of China is not a member of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), although the country has previously stated that it is committed to its observance.

The modular operational tactical missile system SY400 / BP-12A is actively being exported. It consists of two types of launchers for different missiles, which can be easily placed on one mobile chassis with the 8x8 wheel formula. On such a launcher, you can install two transport-launch containers with ballistic missiles BP-12A or two 4 units on the SY400 missiles (total 8 missiles). At installations demonstrated in Qatar, there were only two TPK for BP-12A missiles. Also on the parade were shown transport-charging machines with cranes from the composition of this complex.


Chinese OTRK SY400 / BP-12A is designed for covertly preparing and delivering sudden high-performance missile strikes on particularly important objects (both small and area targets) in the depth of the operational structure of the enemy troops: his fire weapons (artillery, launchers), airplanes and helicopters in bases, military units, warehouses, communications centers and control points, equipment columns on the march and important industrial infrastructure facilities. China is represented by the complex as a competitor to the Russian Iskander-E complex, which is already in service with at least two countries: Armenia and Algeria.

For the first time, a modular missile system was demonstrated at the International Airshow Airshow China (Zhuhai) in 2012. A full-scale sample of a modular high-precision system was shown there. weapons under the designation SY400 / BP-12A. The launcher of the complex is based on the four-axle chassis of the cross-country vehicle WS2400, the wheel formula is 8х8. This chassis is characterized by high mobility and excellent traffic, including over rough terrain. The launcher can be equipped with two BP-12A ballistic missiles with a diameter of 600 mm and a firing range of up to 300-400 km or eight SY400 missiles with a diameter of 400 mm and a maximum firing range of up to 180 km. There is also an option with a combined deployment of missiles - one of the BP-12A and 4 missiles of the SY400 missiles in their transport and launch containers. Mixed armament of the complex allows this system to solve a very wide range of tasks. Almost in front of us is a hybrid of the Russian MLRS "Smerch" and the Iskander-E OTRK.

OTRK development and production of China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) with the demonstration of simultaneous deployment on one PU transport-launch containers with one ballistic missile BP-12A and four missiles SY400.


In fact, SY400 is the MLRS with guided munitions or, as they are classified in the West, the Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS). For the SY400 missiles, 4 types of combat units were created: cluster with 560 or 660 ready-made anti-tank cumulative combat elements; high-explosive fragmentation, with pre-prepared striking elements - steel balls; high-explosive, with increased power; volumetric explosion. The mass of the warhead of the SY400 rocket is estimated at about 200 kg.

The BP-12A ballistic missile is equipped with a satellite-inertial target guidance system. Missiles are launched in the vertical position of transport and launch containers. In the initial phase, its flight is corrected by four control surfaces, as well as stabilizing tail. The rocket uses a low rate of descent to the target to increase the range. In one launch, the missiles can be aimed at different targets.

Performance characteristics of SY400 / BP-12A:
Launcher:
Chassis - 8x8 Wanshan WS 2400.
Overall dimensions: length - 12 m, width - 3 m, height - 3 m.
Chassis weight - 19 t, load capacity - 22 t.
The mass of the complex is about 35 t.
The power plant - diesel engine Deutz power 517 hp
The maximum speed is 60 km / h.
Power reserve - 650 km.
The trench width is 2,5 m.
The depth of the ford to overcome - 1,2 m.
The overcome vertical wall - 0,5 m.
Complex missiles: SY400 and BP-12A.
SY400 - caliber 400 mm, warhead - 200 (according to other data to 300 kg), flight range - to 200 km.
BP-12A - caliber 600 mm, warhead - about 500 kg, range - to 300-400 km.
TPK options are 8 SY400 (2 through 4), or 2 BP-12A, or mixed - 4 SY400 and one BP-12A.

Information sources:
https://vpk.name/library/f/sy-400.html
https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/687163.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3009149.html
http://www.militaryparitet.com/perevodnie/data/ic_perevodnie/3724
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 21 December 2017 15: 16 New
    +3
    With missiles with a range of 300 km,

    Macedon has a range of 500 km. And given the range of missiles that our complex can use, including the KR Caliber range, which have a range of 2000+ km, what kind of devil is this competitor to Macedon?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 21 December 2017 17: 54 New
      11
      Iskander these days is no longer such a super-weapon.
      The Iskander rocket weighs almost 5 tons. And throws a warhead of 500 kg per 500 km. Altitude 50 km
      Israeli Laura weighs 3 times less. Throws a 450 kg warhead at 400 km. Altitude 50 km
      A huge 4-axle car takes 2 Iskanders.
      A 3-axle truck takes 4 Laura.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 21 December 2017 18: 22 New
        16
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Iskander rocket weighs almost 5 tons. And throws a warhead of 500 kg per 500 km.

        E .... The weight of the warhead was taken from the option "E", and the range from normal? 800 kg per 480 km. Rocket 9M723-1. Moreover, its accuracy is not tied to the favor of the Americans.
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 21 December 2017 18: 59 New
          +5
          For some reason, I’m not surprised that the "God-chosen" ran here and began to measure their cannons.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 21 December 2017 22: 45 New
            +5
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Iskander these days is no longer such a super-weapon.
            The Iskander rocket weighs almost 5 tons. And throws a warhead of 500 kg per 500 km. Altitude 50 km
            Israel hi Sky Laura weighs 3 times less. Throws a 450 kg warhead at 400 km. Altitude 50 km

            ... Alexey, my Respect ... you should not be so upset ... all the more you have some inconvenience comes out ... we read almost the second paragraph of the "article"
            Qatar was the first documented buyer of this Chinese missile system. Earlier at the beginning of the year, there was information that Myanmar also acquired SY400 / BP-12A PTRK, but there is currently no official confirmation of this information. The BP-12A missile system was designed by engineers from China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) and is a development of solid fuel ballistic missiles short-range B-611, the development of which began in 1995. An offshoot from this family was the BP-12A missiles, which received a satellite guidance system. The range of their flight is 300-400 km (estimated), the mass of the warhead is 480 kg. A feature of the rocket was that it can be used on the chassis of the high-precision missile system SY-400.
            ... and what is wrong here ?! ... right word ballistic ... well, the 9K720 Iskander complex never had a ballistic missile, it has a standard 9M723 missile - with quasi-ballistic trajectory ... do not confuse the subject and the finger ... hi
            Quote: Spade
            E .... The weight of the warhead was taken from the option "E", and the range from normal? 800 kg per 480 km. Rocket 9M723-1. Moreover, its accuracy is not tied to the favor of the Americans.

            . Lopatov my regards ... hi ... the point is not that .. above laid out what the difference is ... but your truth is also out of place ... hi
            Quote: Megatron
            For some reason, I’m not surprised that the "God-chosen" ran here and began to measure their cannons.

            ... but, how ... Israel ponad mustache ... now, even for Jerusalem, they will receive and will be the first ones for Jerusalem ... and from the end of the Elected list ... wink
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 21 December 2017 23: 45 New
          +4
          Data from both Iskander and Laura are approximate. By reducing the warhead, you can increase the range and vice versa. I mean, Russian missiles are very heavy in weight.
          And the ratio of rocket weight / warhead weight is unimportant compared to competitors, like the Chinese, for example. It is easy to make a “counter-Iskander”: light in weight and accurate ballistic missile with warheads of 200-250 kg, which can be thrown for the same 500 km. To defeat the Iskander launchers.
          A symmetrical answer, so to speak.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 21 December 2017 23: 56 New
            10
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Data from both Iskander and Laura are approximate. By reducing the warhead, you can increase the range and vice versa. I mean, Russian missiles are very heavy in weight.
            And the ratio of rocket weight / warhead weight is unimportant compared to competitors, like the Chinese, for example. It is easy to make a “counter-Iskander”: light in weight and accurate ballistic missile with warheads of 200-250 kg, which can be thrown for the same 500 km. To defeat the Iskander launchers.
            A symmetrical answer, so to speak.

            . Leshenka ... You are My Clear Sun ... at 9M723 - quasi-ballistic trajectory, maneuvering in height and course . at a speed of 2100 m / s ... you yourself will transfer m / s to km / h ... I hope there is enough education ?! ... laughing
            P. S. ... what Chinese or Israeli craft with a ballistic trajectory can these things at such a speed ... your craft is the level of "Point" ... 60s of the USSR ... laughing
            P, C.2 ... the speed of sound in air also needs to be prompted ?! ... laughing
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 22 December 2017 00: 33 New
              +4
              Maneuvering at the beginning and end of the trajectory at an altitude of 50 km
              using gas rudders. 1-2 degrees round-trip. Is this a big question? And will it help, given that missile defense intercepts on the middle part of the trajectory, where there is no maneuvering?
              I am not saying that Iskander is a weak weapon. I say that competitors do not stand still and have learned how to make light rockets with plastic cases that weigh three times less and fly the same distance from the same warhead.

              By the way, about the quasi-ballistic “unique” Iskander and Laura’s craft smile
              LORA ("Long Range Attack") is a theater quasiballistic missile produced in Israel
              Need to translate the word quasiballistic?
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 22 December 2017 01: 43 New
                +7
                [quote = voyaka uh] Maneuvering at the start and end of the trajectory at an altitude of 50 km
                using gas rudders. [/ quote]
                ... here, I don’t understand ... when the Wife Log, then where else how, but when the Wife Log ... then Tin ... laughing . Leshenka-Bunny ... what is the initial one at an altitude of 50 km. and what is the ultimate at an altitude of 50 km. ... Lesha, it’s just nonsense ... the starting point starts at 0 on the ground and ends with +/- gr. at the aiming point ... laughing [quote = voyaka uh] 1-2 degrees round trip. Is this a big question? And will it help, given that intercepts of missile defense on the middle part of the trajectory, where there is no maneuvering? [/ Quote]
                ... here you are for your Laura and told ... you didn’t even have to “stab” ... confirmation from the Second reliable source:
                [quote] [In particular, in 2000 the development of OTP "Laura" began. This is a single-stage solid fuel BR weighing about 1,7 tons with a maximum flight range of 300 km (with a mass of the warhead of about 500 kg.). It has an inertial control system (SU) integrated with the receiving equipment of the signals from the Navstar space radio navigation system (SRS). The missile’s circular probable deviation (CVL) is about 10 m.
                OTP "Laura" is located in an airtight transport and launch container (TPK), which is part of a four-unit unit and can become part of a land and sea-based missile system (RC).
                RK with OTP Laura is not currently in service with the Israeli Armed Forces. It is offered on the international arms market for export.
                It should be noted that in 2003 the development of OTP Extra began. The first successful flight tests of the rocket took place in 2006.
                The new sample is a single-stage solid-fuel ballistic missile weighing 450 kg with a maximum flight range of 150 km (with a warhead mass of about 120 kg). It is equipped with an inertial control system with correction according to the Navstar data from KRS. In the bow of the rocket are four aerodynamic ruddersand in the tail - four folding stabilizer. KVO OTP is up to 10 m. It is located in a transport and launch container on a land mobile NU (four TPKs). Source: Foreign Military Review. 2017, No. 2 P. 62-63 Author: Captain-Lieutenant P. Polyaev / quote] ... Leshenko, no 9M723 gas-dynamic rudders ... it’s just Engineering Russian Thought ... laughing
                ... and she maneuvers at the heading and in height arbitrarily, as she wants ... this is the Thought of Russian Programmers ... laughing
                [quote = voyaka uh] I'm not saying Iskander is a weak weapon. [/ quote]
                ... I'd rather be silent ... initially ... not your words for an hour ?!
                ... [quote = voyaka uh] Iskander in our times is no longer such a super-weapon. [/ quote]

                [quote = voyaka uh] I say that competitors do not stand still and have learned how to make light rockets with plastic hulls, which weigh three times less, and fly the same distance from the same warhead. [/ quote]
                ... but what about my question about flight speed and maneuvering at that speed? ... the Iskander 9M723 has 2100 m / s ... it's about 6 M with a standard atmosphere table of up to 10000 m ... didn’t you get an answer from Laura? ... what ?! ... dulls and slows down ... well, and earlier about this and wrote ... Stupid it you and Braked ... laughing

                [quote = voyaka uh] LORA ("Long Range Attack") is a theater quasiballistic missile produced in Israel
                Need to translate the word quasiballistic? [/ Quote]
                ... you yourself are higher for yourself and said ... 1/2 gr. with a ballistic trajectory, the maximum of Israel ... but show-offs, full pants ... we read:
                [quote = voyaka uh] using gas rudders. 1-2 degrees round trip. Is this a big question? [/ Quote]
                ... for you that invention of the Wheel ... laughing .
              2. abc_alex
                abc_alex 24 December 2017 02: 59 New
                +2
                On the manufacturer's website

                the following is written:
                The LORA is a Long Range Artillery Weapon System capable of engaging strategic targets deep in the enemy's territory from mobile or maritime platforms. Typical targets are fixed or transportable including infrastructure assets. The warhead can be delivered accurately of about 10m: CEP across the effective range. High explosive warhead.
                The missile can be launched within few minutes from unprepared positions. Any target whose location is known within the range of the missile can be attacked within less than 10 minutes from the launch decision.
                The LORA uses a shaped trajectory flight mode.
                LORA is stored in a sealed canister with shelf life of seven years without maintenance.


                No quasi-ballistics.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 26 December 2017 11: 43 New
                  0
                  "uses a shaped trajectory flight mode" ///

                  shaped - "artificially defined" (unnatural) and quasi-ballistic -
                  same. Synonyms
      2. shinobi
        shinobi 22 December 2017 04: 46 New
        +2
        Of course it is, but our ammunition (which you are talking about) is geared towards destroying deep-seated highly fortified targets. An anti-bunker weapon, in short. This, frankly, is not at all the same as in Israel or China. Nobody has such a thing before since
      3. Alex_59
        Alex_59 23 December 2017 19: 42 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The height at the peak of 50 km

        Well, well))) Someone is waiting for an unpleasant surprise if it comes to massacre)))
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 23 December 2017 21: 36 New
          0
          How much? Such missiles have a hinged trajectory. The so-called "non-optimal ballistic", low (depressed ballistic). Easy maneuvering (wiggle) turns it into quasiballistic - quasi-ballistic. In any case, a rocket burns fuel in the first minute and then flies further by inertia along a ballistic trajectory.
          There can be no active intensive maneuvering - a rocket at such a speed will fly away by inertia irreversibly from the main trajectory. You can only make a sharp peak down over the target.

          I am not considering cruise missiles right now - there’s another song.
          1. abc_alex
            abc_alex 24 December 2017 02: 25 New
            +1
            What does "mounted" mean? Ballistic, you mean?

            You always forget that Soviet missiles and rockets made in Israel are designed for a fundamentally different enemy. Your missiles were made to fire "bearded in slippers", Soviet ones to break through the defense of a high-tech enemy with high-density air defense / missile defense.

            Your reasoning about "wiggle" is fair for LORA and absolutely wrong for Iskander rocket. Israeli rocket really uses shaped trajectory flight mode by pre-programmed teams, not full-fledged quasi-ballistics. That is, in fact, your engineers simply created an imitation by writing in the rocket's ROM the very same “swaying a degree or two”.

            The missile can perform pre-programmed manoeuvres after launch and after re-entry, to conceal its launch point and intended target, thus preventing the enemy from taking defensive measures or attempting to intercept the missile or launcher.


            The Iskander rocket is much more complicated and better. Its trajectory is not set in advance, but is generated during the flight on board. Therefore, the rocket flies "around" the ballistic curve, not like LORA, only slightly deviating.


            The LORA uses a shaped trajectory flight mode. This feature also contributes to LORA's immunity to most enemy defenses, including Anti Tactical Ballistic Missile defense systems designed to hit subsonic missiles... It is also immune to electronic warfare (EW) and GPS countermeasures.


            Please note that immunity from interception systems is claimed. subsonic missiles. It turns out that LORA is also subsonic? Then its plastic case and low weight are not at all surprised.

            By the way, LORA this year was shot down by the "Shell" in Syria.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 24 December 2017 12: 28 New
              0
              "What does“ mounted "mean? Ballistic, you want to say?" ////

              depressed ballistic - I wrote.
              Quasi - Programmable maneuvers can also be on Laura.
              About speed, what I found: overcomes 300 km in less than 10 minutes.
              Flight time from launch to impact is advertised as less than 10 minutes.

              It turns out (30000/10/60), supersonic> 500 m / s. (from 450 kg warhead - 400 km)
              No matter how different the rockets are, Laura does the same thing as Iskander:
              throws the warhead 1) of the same weight, 2) at the same distance 3) at approximately
              the same trajectory 4) with the same accuracy <10 m CEP.

              "By the way, LORA this year was shot down by the" Shell "in Syria" ///

              No debris, as usual, is presented in evidence. recourse
              But I will not argue
              1. abc_alex
                abc_alex 25 December 2017 01: 07 New
                +2
                Quasi - Programmable maneuvers can also be on Laura.


                What I’m talking about: LORA maneuvers are programmed initially, before the start. Iskander’s maneuvers are developed on board the rocket during flight.

                About speed, what I found: overcomes 300 km in less than 10 minutes.
                Flight time from launch to impact is advertised as less than 10 minutes.
                It turns out (30000/10/60), supersonic> 500 m / s. (from 450 kg warhead - 400 km)


                Maybe. Just why the developers do not officially voice the speed? Your calculation does not take into account the fact that the launch distance for such missiles lies in the range. For LORA it is from 30 to 300 km. And it is not known for what distance "less than 10 minutes" is indicated.

                Propelled using a single-stage, solid fuel rocket motor, the LORA has a maximum range of 250 km or 300 km (depending on the warhead; see below), and a minimum range of 30 km... Flight time from launch to impact is advertised as less than 10 minutes.


                By the way, I found an even more amazing description:
                According to IAI's website and a company fact sheet, the 3,500-pound solid-fuel LORA can hit targets nearly 250 miles away within 10 minutes thanks to an unspecified “supersonic velocity."


                In general, there is no reliable information on LORA. In different sources (in English), the maximum range is indicated at 100, 200, 300, and even 450-500 (250 miles) kilometers.


                No matter how different the rockets are, Laura does the same thing as Iskander:
                throws a warhead 1) of the same weight, 2) at the same distance 3) along approximately the same trajectory 4) with the same accuracy <10 m CEP.


                The minibus and the armored personnel carrier also do roughly the same thing: they deliver the same number of people at the same distance along the same path (road) with the same accuracy.
                LORA - bus. And Iskander is an armored personnel carrier. It is not easy so heavy, it is equipped with several anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense systems similar to ICBM systems. And the speed at his finish on the supersonic, and hypersonic (6-7 Mach), maneuver energy is such that the approach to the target is made almost at right angles.

                LORA is a good rocket, but it is a rocket against another opponent. If the Arabs need to shoot each other, LORA will be good for them. And if they need to shell Israel, they will need Iskander. I think so.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 25 December 2017 17: 10 New
                  +2
                  "LORA is a good rocket, but it is a rocket against another enemy" ////

                  Unconvincing. At LORA, for example, a warhead is specialized
                  to defeat the bunkers. And on Iskander - cassette warhead to defeat
                  troops in the open. What is against the "Papuans" and what is against
                  technological adversary? Bunkers are not built by the Papuans ...

                  "LORA - bus. And Iskander - BTR" ////

                  No. The aspect ratio is not that. LORA - a jeep. And Iskander - BTR
                  Therefore, the protection is unconvincing. A small plastic rocket has a smaller radio profile (EPR) than a huge steel one. Therefore, it is not known who is harder to shoot down: a small plastic rocket
                  (to bite even slower) or huge steel. It brings a radar.

                  So - about the same weapon hi
                  PS
                  "250 miles away within 10 minutes thanks to ...." ////
                  250 miles = 400 km
                  1. abc_alex
                    abc_alex 25 December 2017 19: 06 New
                    +2
                    Unconvincing. At LORA, for example, a warhead specializes in defeating bunkers. And on Iskander - cassette warhead to defeat
                    troops in the open. What is against the "Papuans" and what is against
                    technological adversary? Bunkers are not built by the Papuans ...


                    What the military ordered, the engineers did. What makes you think that the Iskander rocket does not have a penetrating warhead? Cluster, penetrating and high-explosive fragmentation warheads are indicated in all open sources, but in general there are ten different warheads. The fact that LORA has one single warhead is a huge minus.
                    And what is difficult to build a bunker? The secret of reinforced concrete has been around the world for a very long time. :)

                    A high-tech adversary is not one who digs into the ground, but one who has developed air defense / missile defense. Only very narrow-minded hope to sit out the war in the bunker.


                    No. The aspect ratio is not that. LORA - a jeep. And Iskander - BTR


                    Well, of course. LORA is smaller, of course, but it is far from a "jeep". Five meters, seventy centimeters in diameter and 1,8 tons. Iskander is bigger but not as dramatic as you imagine: two meters longer, twenty centimeters thicker and twice as heavy.

                    However, if you want such comparisons, then perhaps yes, LORA is a humvee in comparison with the BTR-80. The first -- vehicle in which God forbid to fall under fire even from rifles. The second is full fighting machine protecting the crew not only from bullets and fragments, but also the damaging factor of WMD.

                    Therefore, the protection is unconvincing. A small plastic rocket has a smaller radio profile (EPR) than a huge steel one. Therefore, it is not known who is harder to shoot down: a small plastic rocket


                    You like a spell say "less EPR". It is smaller, but not zero. And not at all small, and modern radars perfectly track even artillery shells and a small-sized UAV.

                    Iskander rocket was also designed taking into account the reduction of EPR. But at the same time, it is equipped with a whole range of anti-missile defense means, and LORA is just a target. Not the most convenient, but as the Syrian experience shows, it is quite affordable.
                    What's harder to shoot down?
                    Have you seen bench firing? There, too, small plastic objects fly along a ballistic trajectory with slight deviations :) And they get off quite regularly. And for comparison, try to shoot a fighter out of a gun in flight. :) A huge heavy fighter. You can even try to do this with a buckshot from a cannon. :)

                    I understand your logic, but not all tasks are solved by reducing the size. And not always a small size means high survivability.

                    Yes, the weapons are the same, only against different opponents. In theory, it is useful to have both types of missiles in the army. For example, expensive Iskander missiles for the first strike to suppress active air defense, and cheap light LORA for providing massive fire impact in the second stage.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 26 December 2017 11: 45 New
                      0
                      We exchanged views. I took note of your arguments. Thank!
                      drinks
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 21 December 2017 17: 59 New
      +3
      According to the "Chinese" data are given in the export version. Considering that they are not limited by any INF Treaty, they have made progress in the production of rocket propellants, and the fact that the Smerch MLRS are already being fired at 200-300-400 km, I think the author of the article is close to the truth.
      1. faiver
        faiver 21 December 2017 19: 20 New
        +4
        any figures of the Chinese, starting from the population, etc., raise more questions than answers ...
      2. Vadim Kurbatov
        Vadim Kurbatov 22 December 2017 16: 04 New
        0
        And what is the accuracy of the weapon? range is not enough yet that would be as possible as possible settled in the affected area
    3. abc_alex
      abc_alex 24 December 2017 02: 33 New
      +1
      Iskander missiles do not fly at 500. Ours strictly follow the agreement and the INF Treaty, and are not close to the threshold. 400-450. And the Caliber rockets were not officially launched from it. The R-500 missile is declared as a Caliber-independent version of the Granat missile complex. :)
      Well, do not scare ahead of time a potential enemy :)
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 24 December 2017 03: 20 New
        +8
        Quote: abc_alex
        Well, do not scare ahead of potential adversary’s time

        The request of ostriches not to scare - the floor is concreted
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 December 2017 11: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: abc_alex
        And the Caliber rockets were not officially launched from it.

        Dear, the fact is that there are TWO versions of Iskander (there is a third, export option-Iskander-E, but it's not about him) that do not go without each other, this is Iskander-K and Iskander-M ... So Iskander-K uses Caliber rockets very well ...

        In the 70s, we had such a missile as the Grenade in service (not to be confused with Granite) ... and so it already flew 2500 km ... it was modernized and it is in Iskander’s arsenal. Is the rocket capable of flying now? By the way, the Caliber then also flies at least 1600 km, but it is believed that up to 4000 km.
        Well, yes, the Macedonian rocket fly up to 500 km. wassat
  2. Vadim851
    Vadim851 21 December 2017 16: 18 New
    +1
    Thanks for the good review in the article. Versatility is certainly good, the more he competes not only with Iskander, but with a sort of M270 but much more powerful and the range is higher in the MLRS mode.
    1. mariusdeayeraleone
      mariusdeayeraleone 21 December 2017 21: 23 New
      +3
      This is by chance not a copy in the face of a polonaise?
      1. corporal
        corporal 22 December 2017 11: 29 New
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        Quote: mariusdeayeraleone
        This is by chance not a copy in the face of a polonaise?

        No.
        Rocket BP-12A manufactured by China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) is often confused with another Chinese rocket M20 from their competitors from another Chinese corporation China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC)

        The polonaise from the second company is CASC, and it has a caliber of 301 mm.
        https://topwar.ru/74920-reaktivnaya-sistema-zalpo
        vogo-ognya-polonez-respublika-belarus.html
      2. Vadim851
        Vadim851 27 December 2017 07: 45 New
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        It is unlikely that they have already learned to do quietly. But clearly relied on foreign counterparts.
  3. Old26
    Old26 22 December 2017 11: 16 New
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    Quote: NEXUS
    With missiles with a range of 300 km,

    Macedon has a range of 500 km. And given the range of missiles that our complex can use, including the KR Caliber range, which have a range of 2000+ km, what kind of devil is this competitor to Macedon?

    Andrew! The figure in 2000+ km has already blinded your eyes. In the article BLACK ON WHITE IN RUSSIAN it is written that it is a competitor to the complex ISKANDER-E!!!!! Than the complex ISKANDER-E from the complex ISKANDER-M you know ???