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Patriotic reflections of the readers of "Military Review"

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The topic of the material that we offer is written by you. We have already expressed our position in due time. But what we read yesterday in the comments on the posting material "athletes from Russia"made us think and analyze the opinions of readers who are clearly divided.


Patriotic reflections of the readers of "Military Review"


Recall that the article stated that Russian athletes might be placed outside the Olympic Village, in a former prison. To be honest, the article itself raises many questions. Starting from the source of information and ending with the horrors that are described there. But for us today it does not matter. The reaction of the readers is important. A cut of opinions, if you will.

Honestly, we didn’t discover anything new. We really have enough educated and thoughtful readers. Moreover, readers who do not always agree with the majority opinion and are ready to defend their own opinion are in the overwhelming majority.

Radicalism is more often present among young visitors. The older generation becomes radical in only one case. In the case of the saints for most things. Flag, anthem, honor of the country, attitude to the country.

So let's start quoting and commenting.

kinolog2322
Our athletes do not go to Pyongyang. There will be those who have nothing holy left. No homeland, no flag. What does it matter that they will eat, where to live. They have already been identified in the caste omitted. Do not you think that your place in Yong Chaenkan ?? Paraphrasing Mikola Pitersky ...


This is one of the comments of this type. Cruel? Maybe. Or maybe in the military right? Point of view is a soldier. Die, but save the banner. Honor save. And not so much their honor as the honor of those who served under this banner before. Who perished under this banner. Who committed feats under this banner.

The black
Not well, but ... the place of the traitor in prison ... if that happens, I also applaud ... who chose the path of humiliation, let him slurp crap to the end ...


To be honest, the position of commentators is in many ways akin to the position of the authors. Well, does not accept the heart of the white flag. Whoever tells us that this is a policy. Politics is always like this ... In general, if there was a place on the planet where the words “big politics” and “big tub of faeces” are not synonymous, we probably would have piled there.

But what to do with perennial values? Civil position? Patriotism? Although some patriotism today ... The people have already seen enough interviews of "great" athletes. Patriotism is for soldiers and officers. This is in Syria, in the Caucasus, in other places.

And for an athlete, the main thing is to win. In the eyes of advertisers cost more. The devil knows, but for some reason we do not understand the phrase "an athlete from Russia." Russian athlete - is understandable. And the Russian athlete is understandable. And in another way does not reach.

When the penguin from Antarctica is written on a plate in the zoo, that is understandable. Habitat. But a person in his right mind will not say “Persian from Iran” about another. He will say - Iranian, and he will be right.

And here it turns out that there is a country Russia, where citizens of Russia live, Russians, and there is a separate category of people. Athletes from Russia. A separate group of people, as it were. Although, however, it is now a separate fact.

Another group of readers, as it is fashionable to write today, is more tolerant. They fully admit the participation of "athletes from Russia", but are outraged by the conditions on which they are allowed to play. The position is shaky and, as it seems to us, spineless.

Tatyana
I am stunned! The cattle reception of our athletes on the OO-2018 by the IOC was supposed to be initially, but not to the same extent !!!
It must be assumed that for the Russian Olympic team to go outside the limits of the ex-prison, it would also be better not to leave without special need!
We must assume that against Russian athletes we should expect the upcoming provocations in the form of offensive pickets and demonstrations without their protection by the police.


Here we do not agree. Our Russian athletes will not be in Korea. There will be some "athletes from Russia", and what kind of nationality or group of organisms we have not yet found a clear understanding. It is necessary, probably, to study the documents from the IOC more closely.

But the essence is different.

Interestingly, by what rules can one count on a "human attitude" towards the vanquished? For some kind of law or law? You are defeated. You surrendered to the victor. There is an unconditional surrender, which Putin voiced at his press conference.

But ... Who said the winner will be gracious? What he does not remember the old grievances? Forgive the death of your own friends? Films about noble heroes seen enough?

What is being done with the vanquished or captured today is perfectly visible by the state of the captured Republicans in the Donbas when exchanging prisoners. Tell them about the mercy of the vanquished. About all these noble enemies.

But there are very balanced comments. It is felt that the author "in the subject":

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Quote: Tatiana
"We must assume that against Russian athletes we should expect the upcoming provocations in the form of offensive pickets and demonstrations without their protection by the police."

But it is quite possible, no one will guard them, and this can lead not only to offensive provocations and pickets, but if there are al-Qaeda or igil militants there, or someone else who is eager to take hostages? Our sworn "partners" can in fact try to do so!


Fully agree. “Athletes from Russia” who went there privately without a delegation, although they are not considered Russian athletes, they remain Russian citizens. And we fully admit that such incidents can occur.

There is one positive point. In this case, representatives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia will deal with issues, they, unlike impotents from the Ministry of Sports, are able to work.

But there are among our readers and supporters of the "state" point of view. To go, to tear everyone and everything to shreds. And this someone to prove something.

Mountain shooter
To go and “tear” the opponent “to the brawl” is the worthy answer. And poor living conditions, and a separate food - all this in the same "money box" ... In spite of any pressure ...


siberalt
We will not go, they will say that we cannot act without doping.


It is not clear, whose athletes want to break everyone? Russian? So the team is not going. Or those as their ... athletes?

Russia wants to win something and break someone. Sorry, what? Or all the same - by whom? What sportsmen? With the second, third or fourth composition? The rest were removed because of doping. Despite the faces and tests.

It is somehow strange to read opinions that we have something there again. Must break, must prove. And what did we take to be? Can someone say? Why are the DPRK rumored to be asked to speak at the Olympics, while Russia is being thrown out? Do you have better sportsmen? Or maybe just "steel eggs"? Maybe the "hungry" North Koreans are really patriots, and not for a green coin, then come from?

Seraphimamur
Everyone is humiliated as much as he wants to be humiliated. Let's see how willing athletes who are not representing the country are willing to go down. I am ashamed that according to the passport they are citizens of the Russian Federation.


igorra
Maybe we, against the background of these athletes on Bablosa, something clicks, and we ourselves begin to truly love our homeland? And then many patriotism ends when it is necessary to cheat Russia to buy an iPhone.


But the question of the author of the last comment is quite reasonable. Maybe it's true, in order to truly love the Motherland, you need to see those who hate or despise this Motherland?

It is clear that the country today is “torn apart” in the same way as the readers of our publication. Everyone is trying to find a reasonable explanation for their position. Everyone tries to downplay the arguments of opponents and exaggerates their own.

Finishing an article is as easy as getting started. This is also written by you.

nikolaev
If the athletes of the leading sports power voluntarily and without exception refuse to participate in trampling on the honor and dignity of their country, this is a VICTORY!
In this case, the Olympiad loses its meaning, and the IOC and WADA lose.
If they go, then Russia loses, the Olympic movement loses - the villains from IOC and WADA and those behind them win!
That is, the trip - a complete and open betrayal, which will remain for life.


Even add nothing. What can you do. Everyone in this life comes a time when you need to make your main choice. You are a man, or a trembling creature. Patriot, or just not lucky enough to be born in this country.

Maybe a little incorrect comparison, but in our opinion, the situation is similar. If you look to the east, then there soon we will see a handful of outcasts, about which all who feel like it will wipe their feet. WADA servants, judges, press, fans of "clean" athletes.

Deservedly, if so. And then the claims as to them, surrendered to the winners for the sake of money, and to the state, which brought the sport to a syringe, pill and full privalov.

And there is no patriotism here, no representation of the interests of Russia. Clean business, nothing civil. What does the flag, anthem, coat of arms ... With a dollar for any citizenship you can live well. And even without him. And some kind of respect for some fans there ...

What are you talking about?

If you look to the west, then we can also see people without citizenship there. Without a state. Without a hymn. In fact, without a flag and a coat of arms, because no one recognizes them in the “civilized” world.

Nevertheless, Donbass tricolors are both a flag and a battle flag for people who continue to live, fight and work. Also regardless. They do not run away, they do not justify that “we have been preparing all our life” not for what we have to do.

Different approach, different understanding, is not it?

Some, in fact being residents do not understand what, either the unrecognized republics, or the occupied regions of Ukraine, respect and hold on to the flag that they themselves invented. And for this we respect them, in fact.

Others, sorry, wanted to spit on the flag and other attributes, because money is more important.

Is the athlete's age short? Tell it to the guys in Gorlovka, okay?

If the entire population of Donbass were as patriotic as the “athletes from Russia”, then two years ago there would have been silence, smoothness and emptiness **. There, no one was prepared for death, hiding behind such a motivation, which is akin to a white rag, everyone would have fled to Russia or returned to Ukraine.

That's the whole difference in opinions and understandings.

* ISIS is a banned organization in Russia.

** The authors apologize to the residents of Donbass for such an unsightly comparison.
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  1. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 21 December 2017 06: 32 New
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    my opinion: go? Well, "forge, I can’t not forging © Blacksmith." I’m absolutely not interested in what’s with them, how with them, where they are, etc. even if they collect all the gold there, it will be their private affair, not concerning the country. only let them take their money: they will win - the fees will cover everything; lose - a fig athlete means.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 21 December 2017 06: 45 New
      +6
      But there, in addition to hockey, by and large, there’s nothing to watch.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 21 December 2017 06: 52 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        nothing to watch

        Yes and no one! On the "white flag" chtol?
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 21 December 2017 07: 03 New
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          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Quote: siberalt
          nothing to watch

          Yes and no one! On the "white flag" chtol?

          we are well aware that traveling to Pyeongchang, patriotism has been replaced by the ability to earn some good money. So they were brought up by the modern "sport show business." "our" hockey players in overseas clubs are clearly not playing for a patriotic purpose, people just sold themselves and that's it ... like girls from Leningrad, who will give more money, then they will fall ... that's the whole "sport".
          1. Sergey-svs
            Sergey-svs 21 December 2017 07: 38 New
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            Quote: Dead Day
            .... people just sold themselves and that’s all ... like the girls from Leningradka-who will give more money for that and will fall ... that's the whole “sport”.

            Here it should be - the official emblem of Russian athletes at the Olympics! negative .... They have been preparing for this all their lives ... fool
          2. AA17
            AA17 21 December 2017 13: 03 New
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            Dear, Grandfather. "... so they brought up the modern" sport show business "..." - I agree with you. I would like our athletes to read this: "... A new shell explosion and the screech of flying fragments made Semenov rush to rush under the cover of a broken bridge hanging over the deck. ... A ship flag knocked down from the mast was lying on the deck a few steps from it. The helmsman ran to the banner and, grabbing a piece of the halyard, waved it.
            - The flag is down! Flag! .. - he shouted. The Nazis, seeing a sinking ship without a flag, immediately ceased fire. “Look, you bastards, what you want!” - shaking his fists towards the enemy ships, Rybakov cursed and shouted loudly:
            - Raise the flag! Semenov, forgetting about the bleeding wound and the bruised leg, began to climb the main mast. When he reached the hafel, he caught the ends of the broken halyard curling in the wind and tied a flag to them. With slightly darkened, scorched edges, wounded by fragments, the flag again, like a brave bird, soared above the ship. Rybakov’s face shone. - Well done, Semenov! Hero! he shouted, throwing his head back to the mast. On enemy ships they noticed a flag and re-opened artillery fire. Shells exploded near a wounded ship. Red-hot pieces of metal with a grabbing whistle for their souls dug into the deck, thin-walled superstructures leaked. The ship seemed to be in the middle of a rumbling tornado. One of the fragments was again killed. Grasping his mast on the mast, Semenov pressed the end of the halyard to his chest with all his might and held the flag in this position. He could not fix it. Forces left the sailor. He barely held on. “No, you're lying, I won’t fall ... While I’m alive, I won’t drop the flag ...” the sailor’s bloodless lips whispered. The loss of blood made my head spin. Semenov flushed his forehead against the mast. So it seemed to be easier. And the sailor Volga remembered. Hometown Gorky. Caring mother's hands stuff hot cakes into the pocket of his trousers. How delicious these cakes baked by mom smell. How nice to feel the heat through the thin lining of the pocket ... Semenov was silent. He did not hear his name. Artillery cannonade buzzed in the sailor's head. And in this noise, he only distinguished the words of the commander: “Raise the flag!” Now one thought occupied his whole being: “If only not to fall ... Not to drop the flag." Harnessing his last strength, Semenov tightly pressed himself to the mast, feeling how tight the harness of the halyard crashes all the more painfully into the chest. “So the flag is holding,” the helmsman thought wearily. He felt it with his chest, with his heart. ... "
            Feat '' of the Fog '' Tikhomirov Veniamin Vasilievich. “Proudly flies the flag of the homeland native on the mast” 2014
            P.S. “The Combat Banner of a military unit is a particularly honorable sign that distinguishes features of a combat mission, history and merit of a military unit, as well as indicating its belonging to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
            The military banner of the military unit is a symbol of military honor, valor and glory, serves as a reminder to each soldier about the heroic traditions and sacred duty of protecting the Fatherland ....
            ... The Banner of War is always with its military unit, and on the battlefield - in the area of ​​military operations of the unit.
            The entire personnel of the military unit is obliged to selflessly and courageously defend the Battle Banner in battle and prevent its capture by the enemy.
            In the event of the loss of the Banner of War, the commander of the military unit and the military personnel directly guilty of such a disgrace shall be subject to trial, and the military unit to be disbanded ... "
            1. BLOND
              BLOND 25 December 2017 10: 59 New
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              On enemy ships they noticed a flag and re-opened artillery fire. Shells exploded near a wounded ship. Red-hot pieces of metal with a grabbing whistle for their souls dug into the deck, thin-walled superstructures leaked. The ship seemed to be in the middle of a rumbling tornado

              Thanks for the post!
              It’s a pity the athletes didn’t read from under the white flag!
          3. SERGUS
            SERGUS 21 December 2017 13: 13 New
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            Quote: Dead Day
            “Our” hockey players in overseas clubs are clearly not playing for a patriotic purpose, people just sold themselves and that’s it.

            Well, the situation with overseas clubs is twofold, but the level of athletes there is higher than in our "local" clubs. Not patriotic? Yes, I agree, but this is a world practice, as well as in our football sports clubs, for example, there are foreigners. Another thing is the Olympiad, where countries initially compete, and to go to the competition of countries as a loner - this does not fit in my head. And I don’t like the President’s passivity in this matter, like let them decide if they want, then let them go, they don’t want not to go, there isn’t any unity, just another quarrel in society in a word.
            1. Blombirus
              Blombirus 21 December 2017 13: 46 New
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              Quote: SERGUS
              Quote: Dead Day
              “Our” hockey players in overseas clubs are clearly not playing for a patriotic purpose, people just sold themselves and that’s it.

              Well, the situation with overseas clubs is twofold, but the level of athletes there is higher than in our "local" clubs. Not patriotic? Yes, I agree, but this is a world practice, as well as in our football sports clubs, for example, there are foreigners. Another thing is the Olympiad, where countries initially compete, and to go to the competition of countries as a loner - this does not fit in my head. And I don’t like the President’s passivity in this matter, like let them decide if they want, then let them go, they don’t want not to go, there isn’t any unity, just another quarrel in society in a word.

              World practice? Oh how! Not arrogant Saxon? Cool brainwashed some.
              1. SERGUS
                SERGUS 21 December 2017 15: 18 New
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                Quote: BlombiRus
                Not arrogant Saxon?

                She is the most, only we ourselves are shouting that the path of North Korea is not our path. We say that playing athletes for foreign clubs is not patriotic, but themselves? We go to Solaris and Logans! Is it patriotic? Give everyone iPhones, is it patriotic?
                1. Blombirus
                  Blombirus 22 December 2017 01: 34 New
                  +4
                  Quote: SERGUS
                  Quote: BlombiRus
                  Not arrogant Saxon?

                  She is the most, only we ourselves are shouting that the path of North Korea is not our path. We say that playing athletes for foreign clubs is not patriotic, but themselves? We go to Solaris and Logans! Is it patriotic? Give everyone iPhones, is it patriotic?

                  You know better that you shout there, I don’t shout about Juche, and my friends and comrades too. All my life I played for one club, which I swore. CA is called if you know what it is. For us, defectors to another club were traitors, moral monsters. We are so educated. You are brought up differently, nothing is bad for you, just to eat the whole thing.
                  1. SERGUS
                    SERGUS 22 December 2017 13: 07 New
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                    Quote: BlombiRus
                    You are brought up differently, nothing is bad for you

                    But I don’t need to tell me what kind of cookie box and jar I’m selling. I can sell my country, I can be a patriot for more than some, I just need to distinguish patriotism from something else. If you are a patriot, what then do you use a Chinese computer, support the Chinese economy, write letters by Russian Post then. And the army does not need to be inserted here, let's close all borders for all people and goods, and again we will be selling jeans from under the counter.
            2. Captain45
              Captain45 21 December 2017 14: 41 New
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              Quote: SERGUS
              And I don’t like the President’s passivity in this matter, like let them decide if they want, then let them go, they don’t want not to go,

              And you, it turns out, only by decree of the President do you decide to fight for the country or not? And if there is no team, then it is possible to lie down in the bushes, but if they give a command, .... then we .... will break them. And the President is right when he said, let them decide for themselves what they are, for the honor of the country or the loot. This is their personal choice, which is more valuable to them.
              1. SERGUS
                SERGUS 21 December 2017 15: 51 New
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                Quote: Captain45
                And the President is right when he said, let them decide for themselves what they are, for the honor of the country or the loot. This is their personal choice, which is more valuable to them.

                On the one hand, yes, right after that one can see who has some life values, but on the other ... Imagine a ship, if the captain of the ship tells the team to decide for yourself where you want to sail and what to do, then ... the ship most likely will not move places at all, and in the country, what centralization should always be, and in some issues in which there is no consensus, there should always be a person who has the last word. The President would have said: “we are not going,” and there were no two “camps” in society: one is shouting heroes - one against all, the other - traitors.
              2. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 21 December 2017 17: 37 New
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                Dear Sergus, I absolutely agree with you. I will only add that the captain is responsible for the ship and crew. And his (captain's) clear position and actions often save both the ship and the crew.
                1. 97110
                  97110 21 December 2017 20: 01 New
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                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  And his (captain's) clear position and actions often save both the ship and the crew.

                  We discussed this issue with professional sailors. They came to the conclusion that the master could throw a crew member overboard in a flight to save the ship. Compare a democratic, comfortable country with a ship? There was a case even on the ship: the barmaid broke her arm. And he talks about steep ramps, pitching ... I ask the master: "Why did Lyudka's arm break?" The master replies: "Resisted!" Not a well-organized and not democratic society there. Unlike our country. Under the tricolor.
                  1. SERGUS
                    SERGUS 22 December 2017 12: 45 New
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                    Quote: 97110
                    And he talks about steep ramps, pitching ...

                    Well, we also have people with joy banging their head on a policeman’s boot wink
                    1. 97110
                      97110 22 December 2017 14: 27 New
                      +1
                      Quote: SERGUS
                      Well, we also have people with joy banging their head on a policeman’s boot

                      Oh, do you even have police on board? Cool.
                      1. SERGUS
                        SERGUS 22 December 2017 15: 30 New
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                        Quote: 97110
                        Oh, do you even have police on board? Cool.

                        Her, you did not understand, I just projected the situation described by you on the ship, for life in the country wink
                    2. 97110
                      97110 22 December 2017 22: 16 New
                      +1
                      Quote: SERGUS
                      policeman's boot

                      I’m trying to answer your next post - the shack doesn’t give, time after time the answer is being sent somewhere to the wrong place. So let me answer here.
                      Quote: SERGUS
                      I just projected the situation you described on the ship

                      Not a word in the situation I described about the ship is not. Is a barmaid possible on a ship? It was on the SHIP, specifically, on the assailant, the number in the memory could not be kept.
            3. demo
              demo 21 December 2017 19: 30 New
              +8
              From the moment the President spoke and his phrase “Let them go,” he ceased to suit me as president.
              How cut off.
              On TV channels, as I see him, I immediately switch.
              I can not.
              1. Hoc vince
                Hoc vince 21 December 2017 23: 14 New
                +8
                You can go. Your right.
                Decide for yourself - to be or not to be.
                But know that today is the Honor of the Power
                It’s easier for you to drop than to protect.

                And you have already created the conditions,
                To nullify your hard work.
                And if you get the medals,
                Not the fact that they will not be taken away
            4. 97110
              97110 21 December 2017 19: 50 New
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              Quote: SERGUS
              want, then let them go, do not want not to go,

              People brought up under the tricolor behave like people brought up under the tricolor. The president wisely avoided resolving the issue. Above commented on the death of the "Mist" and its flag. There was a naval flag of the USSR. And here...
            5. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 21 December 2017 19: 55 New
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              Quote: SERGUS
              Well, the situation with overseas clubs is twofold, but the level of athletes there is higher than in our "local" clubs.

              The salary is higher there. I can remind you how our team, from immigrants from hockey took already 11-th place.
            6. Berkut752
              Berkut752 21 December 2017 20: 54 New
              +4
              SERGUS, YOU DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE PRESIDENT CORRECTLY, THIS IS ONLY ONE LEAF TEST.
            7. Lyuba1965_01
              Lyuba1965_01 21 December 2017 22: 56 New
              +2
              The president did exactly the same thing smartly. You can’t officially boycott the OI, otherwise Russia falls into their two seasons, and this is 8 years old. During this time, all promising athletes will easily be lured / outbought by other countries, and it is unrealistic to raise new champions in such a short time. and allowing those who wish to go there, he nevertheless made clear his attitude to this. At the end, he said that the victorious singles from the Russian Federation could easily be deprived after some time of the medals they won in Pyongyang. That is, he clearly hinted that You shouldn’t go. So everything is decent. They were observed, but he showed his attitude to those who wanted to go there.
            8. Alexey Antonov
              Alexey Antonov 23 December 2017 05: 26 New
              +3
              And what do you think the President should have done? Terrible to say: "I will not let go!" So what? How do you imagine that? Is this his business? Or are we no longer in a free country?
          4. Olgovich
            Olgovich 27 December 2017 07: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Dead Day
            "our" hockey players in overseas clubs are clearly not playing for a patriotic purpose, people just sold themselves and that's it ... like girls from Leningrad, who will give more money, then they will fall ... that's the whole "sport".

            Earnings in foreign clubs are normal, or you too are “sold” for earning at work.
            But riding to the Olympics, betraying his ottennyh comrades-bestiality.
      2. forester
        forester 21 December 2017 07: 10 New
        +3
        Yes, and hockey is not good - the NHL did not let its players go, and this seriously lowered the level of leading national teams
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 21 December 2017 07: 40 New
          +5
          Quote: forester
          NHL did not let its players

          The NHL never lets anyone go, for them the domestic championship is more important. Those whose teams have already taken off the fight go to international competitions.
          1. forester
            forester 21 December 2017 11: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: inkass_98
            Quote: forester
            NHL did not let its players

            The NHL never lets anyone go, for them the domestic championship is more important. Those whose teams have already taken off the fight go to international competitions.

            What are you saying? you probably aren’t in the subject - since the NHL players were always allowed to speak at the OI, the NHL players have always played, but the Canadians and Americans really formed all kinds of world championships there and they formed teams of players from teams that left the Stanley Cup playoffs
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 21 December 2017 14: 04 New
              +9
              Quote: forester
              Canadians and Americans formed teams of players from teams that left the Stanley Cup playoffs

              Well, yes ... only the Soviet "amateurs" in the form of a Red car, these pros tore up a heating pad like an ace, and from a deep sense of patriotism, and not for Mercedes and apartments.
        2. Grandfather
          Grandfather 21 December 2017 07: 49 New
          +5
          Quote: forester
          Yes, and hockey is not good

          but, as always, there will be "fantastic" football !!! fellow
      3. 79807420129
        79807420129 21 December 2017 10: 21 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        But there, in addition to hockey, by and large, there’s nothing to watch.

        What hockey Oleg hi As the great Nikolai Nikolayevich Ozerov said: “We don’t need such a hockey.” We hit on the cheek, instead of turning around and giving back, we turned the other cheek and spit the whole face please. yes The same Ovechkins and Kovalchuk, even before the IOC’s memorable meeting, we weren’t going to scream, and the next day after the meeting they wrote a letter to Putin and let us go to Korea. negative Let them go, I don’t give a damn about them, this is not the Russian national team, this is the national team of a country that is surrendering under the white flag. hi
        1. Dimy4
          Dimy4 21 December 2017 11: 03 New
          +3
          ... We were hit on the cheek, instead of turning around and giving back, we turned the other cheek and all face-spit please ...

          Yes, even probably not on the cheek, but something lower than the back. As they say in a certain environment, these guys appointed themselves as terpils.
        2. Sadam
          Sadam 22 December 2017 04: 51 New
          +1
          read komenty - cool. Well, what kind of grandfathers of war veterans are you talking about ... ??? times are completely different. it’s better to be sad about patriotism in your bentley than in a minibus ... and not a patriot Ovechkin rushes about with his Putin here more than a patriot Kokorin in Montecarlo champagne for 500 euros ...
          1. domokl
            domokl 22 December 2017 05: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: Sadam
            times are completely different.

            Times are different. The people are the same. You can focus on Kakorin, or you can on those 16 Men from the SPN of Russia who dispersed several hundred terras when military police were dragged out of the encirclement.
            We, especially on this resource, have enough Men. And not only from Russia.
      4. cormorant
        cormorant 21 December 2017 11: 41 New
        +5
        This will not be the Red Car, but the White Car. At least for me, there is nothing left of red.
        1. seal78
          seal78 23 December 2017 19: 34 New
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          Who is the "car"? Miserable Kovalchuk or old farther Datsyuk, imagining himself a "wizard"? Even in the absence of competitors, these players are unlikely to even win bronze. I’m not talking about the various Ovechins.
      5. NEXUS
        NEXUS 21 December 2017 13: 14 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        But there, in addition to hockey, by and large, there’s nothing to watch.

        It's not about hockey ... because they spit in the face not only of our athletes, but also of all of us personally. And some are wiping themselves, saying that we must go and “tear everyone”, while others say that the athletes performing under the white flag are not Russian athletes and they did not have the notion of patriotism, conscience and pride in their country.
        As a former athlete, I believe that our athletes do not need to go there. People just Russian will not accept and do not understand. Going there under the white flag is akin to Judas. The price of this trip will be 30 silver coins. It doesn’t matter whether they take gold or not. Having become a white flag, these athletes publicly abandon their flag, anthem and coat of arms. What kind of homeland concept are we talking about then? Kharlamov, Firsov, Mayorovs, Starshinovs did they go and win for giants and money?
        My father used to be a hockey team striker in Arkhangelsk. Left hitter if sclerosis does not change. And I will never forget the day when our team won the World Championship for the first time in 16 years. Two goals of Kovalchuk! And someone will say that these guys fought for grants there? Then, my father felt 30 years younger. Now he is gone, but the very evening when our guys defeated Canadians in the finals I will never forget. They didn’t fight for grandees and money there, but for HIS MOTHERLAND, under their own flag, emblem and when they raised the flag of Russia at the presentation of awards, they sang our Russian anthem.
      6. domokl
        domokl 22 December 2017 06: 15 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        by and large, and there’s nothing to watch.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic58BE83xtw&l
        ist = RDIc58BE83xtw & t = 89
        I advise .. the truth is a summer sport bully
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 21 December 2017 07: 06 New
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      Quote: K0
      : win - the fees will cover everything; lose - a fig athlete means.

      If memory serves me right, then our sport has long been professional.
      Professional athlete - an athlete for whom sports are the main activity and who receives in accordance with the contract wages and other monetary rewards for preparing for and participating in sporting events (Federal Law "On Physical Culture and Sport in the Russian Federation" dated April 29, 1999). ;
      Well? It's time to separate the grains from the chaff, they are trying to breed us like rabbits)))) Nostalgic for the patriotism that was in the USSR, and which is completely absent now, we are fed with what happened and what will happen tomorrow? Science does not know this, they act like that, the day has passed, and figs with it. Living in the country of capitalism, what kind of patriotism can we talk about? When capitalism began, patriotism died, its individual foci are destroyed. After all, having sat down to play gambling at the table, we automatically accepted the conditions of the game, and we play not on our own field, and not according to our own rules, a knowingly losing position among our capitalist-minded merchants and boyars. All their patriotism is offshore.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 21 December 2017 08: 36 New
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      my opinion: go? Well
      It's like about Vlasov. Surrendered to the Nazis, well, and .... Speaking Kolyaizurengoy, well, and ...
      It is here inside Russia, they still shout about the geniuses of foreign policy, and there they know that you can do anything with Russia, wipe yourself off and apologize!
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 21 December 2017 09: 48 New
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        Want WADA "Honesty"? kindly:Before visiting WADA offices in 2016 by Austro-Russian specialists to conduct a comparative analysis of samples of Russians with samples of Americans, it turned out that 30 thousand test tubes with American analyzes were “accidentally” broken.
    4. Blombirus
      Blombirus 21 December 2017 12: 34 New
      +4
      It is not fair for decent people to participate in this Olympiad villainy. To whom conscience does not hate, that is not a national hero, but the most natural rootless scoundrel. That's the whole story!
      1. INTER
        INTER 21 December 2017 13: 37 New
        +2
        But is it impossible to arrange alternative Olympic games no worse than the generally accepted ones and not pay any Wadam Koks? Fortunately, there is infrastructure in Sochi and make it like a festival (tradition) in Brazil, where Russia will be the main administrator and let the Anglo-Saxons go forest-field, at first many will boycott, but all countries will get used to it and participate and it is advisable to hold them before the generally accepted Olympics so that after watching our games, they have lost interest in them, I understand of course that this is a difficult task, but I would like to
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 December 2017 06: 51 New
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    The authors decided to sort through the topic, which apparently does not leave them indifferent and neutral looking from the outside. I do not want to return once again to what has been written more than once.
    We really have enough educated and thinking readers.
    I agree, for the most part this is so.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 21 December 2017 09: 04 New
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      Alexander and Roman thank you for the article. Donbass residents should not be ashamed. We should be ashamed. For we deserve these "athletes" and this guide .. In 1991, many had to think about whose barricades they climbed ..
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The authors decided to sort through the topic, which apparently does not leave them indifferent and neutral looking from the outside. I do not want to return once again to what has been written more than once.
      We really have enough educated and thinking readers.
      I agree, for the most part this is so.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 21 December 2017 10: 18 New
        +5
        Quote: 210ox
        I had to think with my head

        That's the trouble, what they think with their heads
  3. S-kerrigan
    S-kerrigan 21 December 2017 07: 03 New
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    Damn, litter of course, but I already boiled from walking in circles of this topic.
    So to the point:
    - I do not like all these attempts to hurt the Russian Federation
    - I don't like the IOC
    - I do not like trampling on the very foundations of the Olympics.
    But ... uv. edition of the portal !!! Enough! Enough like that to stop pushing!
    which brought the sport to a syringe, pills and full popalov

    Do you really not realize that most of the cases against ours are fabricated and rigged?
    Or just for the sake of a beautiful word to omit all athletes?
    Next, here you state
    Man you, or trembling

    For me, iron eggs are so needed to just go. Are you blind or what? These athletes were spread rot before "they". And now you are connected. You have no conscience along the way. Because they became for one with our "partners".
    The athlete has a really short eyelid. And he has been betting his whole life for the sake of the fact that sometimes there is only one attempt to break into world competitions. Everything else sometimes goes to hell bald. Personal life, study, career and the best years. And these people are looking at people like you ... at the citizens of "this country", charged with "govnometami". For all this reaction from mine. After such "friends" and enemies it is not necessary.
    Z-a-d-o-l-b-a-l-i.

    I’m not an athlete, it’s a shame for my power. But you have no right to humiliate those who between the rock and the hard place were simply because they were. And this desire to humiliate people only because they don’t want to live in poverty and live like normal people - I don’t even know what’s more here ... bile, envy or what? You are not going to lobby for the interests of the injured athletes, advocating for "life-long compensation to those who gave their lives for the sport, but were not allowed to speak"? Apparently not. Then do not be surprised that everything is fair - people want to live and eat. And it takes money. And they have enough pride to "take and do something no matter what," and not stand by the subway with outstretched hands.
    1. Alber
      Alber 21 December 2017 07: 20 New
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      Quote: S-Kerrigan
      Damn, litter of course, but I already boiled from walking in circles of this topic.
      So to the point:
      - I do not like all these attempts to hurt the Russian Federation
      - I don't like the IOC
      - I do not like trampling on the very foundations of the Olympics.
      But ... uv. edition of the portal !!! Enough! Enough like that to stop pushing!
      which brought the sport to a syringe, pills and full popalov

      Do you really not realize that most of the cases against ours are fabricated and rigged?
      Or just for the sake of a beautiful word to omit all athletes?
      Next, here you state
      Man you, or trembling

      For me, iron eggs are so needed to just go. Are you blind or what? These athletes were spread rot before "they". And now you are connected. You have no conscience along the way. Because they became for one with our "partners".
      The athlete has a really short eyelid. And he has been betting his whole life for the sake of the fact that sometimes there is only one attempt to break into world competitions. Everything else sometimes goes to hell bald. Personal life, study, career and the best years. And these people are looking at people like you ... at the citizens of "this country", charged with "govnometami". For all this reaction from mine. After such "friends" and enemies it is not necessary.
      Z-a-d-o-l-b-a-l-i.

      I’m not an athlete, it’s a shame for my power. But you have no right to humiliate those who between the rock and the hard place were simply because they were. And this desire to humiliate people only because they don’t want to live in poverty and live like normal people - I don’t even know what’s more here ... bile, envy or what? You are not going to lobby for the interests of the injured athletes, advocating for "life-long compensation to those who gave their lives for the sport, but were not allowed to speak"? Apparently not. Then do not be surprised that everything is fair - people want to live and eat. And it takes money. And they have enough pride to "take and do something no matter what," and not stand by the subway with outstretched hands.

      And what to shout then?
      Drive at your own expense! Flag in hand ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 21 December 2017 07: 29 New
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        Quote: Alber
        Flag in hand ...

        neutral...
        1. Mityasha
          Mityasha 21 December 2017 07: 43 New
          +7
          Wherever they want, let them go there. Their medals, only fees from the Mock Fund and other sponsors. The country's budget is closed for them, they represent only themselves there !!! No bonuses from the budget !!!
        2. Masya masya
          Masya masya 21 December 2017 10: 42 New
          +6
          Quote: Dead Day
          Quote: Alber Flag in hand ... neutral ..

          white!
        3. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 21 December 2017 11: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Dead Day
          Quote: Alber
          Flag in hand ...

          neutral...

          White!
          Sorry, there is already such a comment. But I’ll leave it anyway, I don’t think so alone.
        4. seal78
          seal78 23 December 2017 19: 50 New
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          And a medal in the ass)
    2. Alone
      Alone 21 December 2017 08: 15 New
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      Here you need to decide. If the athlete was preparing to defend the honor of his country, flag and anthem, this is one thing. And if
      Quote: S-Kerrigan
      The athlete has a really short eyelid. And he has been betting his whole life for the sake of the fact that sometimes there is only one attempt to break into world competitions.
      then it’s completely different. Let the Russian flag be changed to anything, with a tablecloth the road to either end at your own expense, and not cry in the likeness - "Russia is in our soul (or something like that)."
      1. INTER
        INTER 21 December 2017 13: 54 New
        +2
        To thank the athletes who will remain to reward as real winners with cars, money, like everyone won) wassat tongue
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 21 December 2017 08: 33 New
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      These athletes have spread rot before ”
      You wrote a lot. Answer shortly. In our country, among the leadership there are patriots who would stand up for the defense of the country, for the protection of athletes? In the Union, diplomats were proud if, in difficult negotiations, they nevertheless made a decision in favor of the Union. And now they are sitting snot dissolving, Ah Poroshenko is bad, Ah Trump, bad. And they themselves did what they did to bend these bad ones, who fought with WADA, no one just apologized. And you know that in Britain a year ago there was a scandal over doping, what ours did to inflate this scandal. They sat and trembled so as not to offend partners.
      In general, we have some sort of conservative orders. But if so, then whoever protects the omitted is omitted.
      1. S-kerrigan
        S-kerrigan 22 December 2017 07: 21 New
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        You wrote a lot

        In order not to interpret the idea through the ass - they love it very much here. Therefore, deployed as I could.
        In our country, among the leadership there are patriots who would stand up for the defense of the country, for the protection of athletes?

        That's just the point - it is impossible to equal the "athlete" and the "position of the country" / "policy of the Ministry of Sports". Once the "main" spineless, then the athletes themselves are forced to resolve how the problem can. State hands washed and self-removed. But in the eyes of the townsfolk, the "athlete" is to blame. Yes, he is not to blame - they did not take care of him, they put him first “no matter what”. The reaction of athletes is a response to this attitude. That's all.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 22 December 2017 09: 08 New
          +1
          athletes themselves are forced to taxi as they can
          I do not agree. Many athletes, who at one time were not taken to the national team, have eliminated this situation for a long time. Now they are playing for the national teams of Slovakia, Sweden and others. Now, not even Russian athletes will go.
          And the fact that everywhere they try to make athletes guilty is understandable. Officials are screening their failed policies.
    4. Boris55
      Boris55 21 December 2017 09: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: S-Kerrigan
      Do you really not realize that most of the cases against ours are fabricated and rigged?

      They took the flag, selected the anthem, but we will hand over part and conscience to them.

    5. BecmepH
      BecmepH 21 December 2017 10: 30 New
      +9
      Quote: S-Kerrigan
      You’re not going to lobby for the interests of the injured athletes, advocating "life compensation for those who gave their lives for sports,

      Why should I worry about him (the athlete) ?. He himself chose a profession. He is a professional!
      Why does he "kill" himself. "For the sake of money, for the sake of fame. He wants to earn money and to admire his" work. "I can tell you many professions where people earn and make people happy with their labors.
      I repeat, he (the athlete) chose his own path and worry about his health, first of all, to himself. Does he destroy his health constantly taking children out of the fire? Or saving the drowning? Or covers others with his body from bullets?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 21 December 2017 11: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: BecmepH
        Or covers others with his body from bullets?

        No, he does not. He’s not just a country, he’s not even able to support his slandered comrades - he doesn’t give a shit about all this ...
      2. Ragoz
        Ragoz 21 December 2017 22: 01 New
        0
        Western:
        Unfortunately, most athletes behave like traitors during the Great Patriotic War "For the sake of which I will die in the camp - I will go to service, what difference does it make under the Soviet banner or under German", for that I will be alive and have privileges.
    6. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 21 December 2017 11: 00 New
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      "... And this is the desire to humiliate people only because they do not want to live in povertyand live like normal people - ... ",
      Cool like that. There are athletes who do not want to live in poverty. And there are citizens of Russia who only dream of living in poverty, paying taxes - direct, indirect, all sorts of different, requisitions to kindergartens, nurseries, schools, stocks on television and so on. There are pensioners who do not keep pace with inflation, and the only joy for grandfathers is to see how our athletes, who do not want to live in poverty, are trying to bring glory to their homeland. Or do not try.
      Oh well.
      There is one athlete who does not want to live in poverty, an excellent athlete. Achievements rampart. And how many other athletes who did not want to live in poverty, but who did not reach the first place, were not included in the Olympic team.
      How so, they also do not want to live in poverty. They, too, were crushed, but did not hit. They also have neither work nor profession. one ability to eat anabolics. And figs knows him, whether they ate less than necessary (or more), or they have a different metabolism - but they did not enlighten them.
      And why should we not be sorry for SUCH athletes?
      And why don't the Paralympic people regret it? Are they also all dopers without exception?
      Everyone chooses sports for himself. Knowing full well that he can achieve nothing in his whole life - or hit the jackpot. Knowing full well that in sports you can break off abruptly, even fatal. Well, in the sports of the VD - to ruin your health at all! And without guarantees of the first place or the Olympic medal!
      So why yell then? For the athletes.
      We don’t cry out what they say, the cleaning lady receives a pension of 6 thousand, and the former deputy of the State Duma - 60 thousand. We understand.
      Why did athletes suddenly become a special caste?
      No, or you are a citizen. Or so, roll the field ..
      I’m standing on that.
    7. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 21 December 2017 11: 39 New
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      Quote: S-Kerrigan
      The athlete has a really short eyelid. And he has been betting his whole life for the sake of the fact that sometimes there is only one attempt to break into world competitions. Everything else sometimes goes to hell bald. Personal life, study, career and the best years. And these people are looking at people like you ... at the citizens of "this country", charged with "govnometami".

      To be short. Theirs are those who are for their homeland. So I was brought up, I'm Russian. And those who are under a neutral flag are not their own, uncle, they are strangers, so don’t bother them with us.
      They put their palatable hand, but it’s necessary! What about rescuers, special forces, the military in general, firefighters and many others? They also have leisure, personal life, prospects, everything is sacrificed. But unlike pumped up baby dolls, these people can die every day at their very work. For which sponsors don’t pay fees, they don’t settle in comfortable hotels, and you need to plow from bell to bell, and not to speak to the public several times a year ...
      Come on, offer these people a neutral flag for a power fan. Only prepare a face for problems, and go propose. Co-workers of Magomed Nurbagandov will be very suitable for you as an audience at first. Most likely, you will go further and will not have to go anywhere.
      A traitor is a traitor. And it is very good that they became visible. It became clear how deep the poison penetrated. It's bad ...
      1. S-kerrigan
        S-kerrigan 22 December 2017 07: 13 New
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        and not several times a year to speak to the public ...

        You have absolutely no idea what these people should actually do. The look of the average man, "like pigs and oranges." If it is so simple and prestigious - why don’t you dare to appear on the competition field and not wipe your opponents nose?

        I will say so ... "pumped" - this is to the "partners" with their transgender teams.
        Have you ever seen our athletes? Where is the "pumping"?

        And yes, gymnasts should train almost daily. With all their bars, jumps and other things - to roll the neck to death, "how to piss." I'm serious. The risk to life is no less than that of firefighters. And even more.
        At least the fireman, if he dies, then for the cause. On duty. And the gymnast - for no reason at all.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 22 December 2017 18: 08 New
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          Saw. Very close, yeah ...
          Our athletes will stay at home. You are all about not our athletes.
    8. merc
      merc 21 December 2017 12: 59 New
      +1
      Best comment!
    9. ando_bor
      ando_bor 21 December 2017 13: 20 New
      0
      Quote: S-Kerrigan
      Z-a-d-o-l-b-a-l-i.

      - And everything is being done for that.
  4. Nix1986
    Nix1986 21 December 2017 07: 18 New
    +7
    Sporting achievements are primarily personal ambitions. It’s not quite right to push for patriotism here. They are not traveling under the US flag ?! In general, I do not see a problem here. And personally, I don’t care about the Olympics, it’s full of pressing problems, and not who faster pushed a stone with mops or rolled on a sled.
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 21 December 2017 08: 55 New
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      Quote: Nix1986
      And personally, I don’t care about the Olympics, it’s full of pressing problems, and not who faster pushed a stone with mops or rolled on a sled.

      Exactly. It also always amused me when patriotism and state prestige are equated with skill ... well, for example, men in leggings are beautiful to wave their hands while ice skating on ice. Or a crowd of men who know how to kick the ball into the goal of another crowd of men. In my opinion this is very strange. If the aliens arrived, they would be very surprised what significance we attach to these strange manipulations. And why exactly these classes? Let's make cross-stitching the same grand battle for the prestige of the Motherland ... Why not? Imagine - the International Committee of the Cross-Stitch has barred Baba Glasha from participating in the world championship! Putin expresses his displeasure at a press conference ...
      This is a game! Several countries of the world, such as us, the USA and China, are making a battle to the death from this. Well, shaving with foschistami. And the rest are stupidly having fun. I remember how an aunt came from some African country to some winter olympiad, who works as a cleaner or a teacher and performed on a snowboard. I saw snow for the second time in my life, at home I trained in the sand like. She was so glad that she did not fall during the rental! This is a real sport. Here I am for her.
  5. forester
    forester 21 December 2017 07: 21 New
    +4
    I do not agree with one statement in the article that the state brought the athletes to a syringe and a pill. Sport of the highest achievements is impossible without any stimulants - everyone accepts without exception - not everyone catches. This is a political anti-Russian action, therefore the answer was to be political - exit from the IOC and boycott the OI, and it had to be heard from the lips of officials. Didn't sound ... unfortunately.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 21 December 2017 07: 46 New
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      Quote: forester
      Sport of the highest achievements is impossible without any stimulants - everyone accepts without exception - not everyone catches. This is a political anti-Russian action, therefore the answer was to be political ...

      ... until this moment - everything is as it should good
      Quote: forester
      ... an exit from the IOC and a boycott of the OI, and it should have been heard from the lips of officials ...

      ... woo-yyyy ... Well, that's why - "out of the IOC" will punish anyone? IOC? Not funny even request
      Knowing the GDP, I think that the answer will still be. And this will not be a “way out of the IOC” at all, but a thread from a completely different plane. But it doesn’t seem to be enough (as “it didn’t seem enough” to the Turks with the so-called “tomato war”, for example).
      Revenge is a dish served cold (c) I don’t remember who.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 21 December 2017 10: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        But it doesn’t seem to be enough (as “it didn’t seem enough” to the Turks with the so-called “tomato war”, for example).

        What about tomatoes? There are no Turkish tomatoes in Russia?
        Tomatoes and a person’s life are worthless to put on one bowl of scales
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 21 December 2017 10: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: BecmepH
          Tomatoes and a person’s life are worthless to put on one bowl of scales

          and some people put it ...
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 21 December 2017 13: 17 New
          +9
          Quote: BecmepH
          What about tomatoes?

          In the "tomato wars" were involved not only tomatoes, oddly enough.
          According to various sources, this brawl cost Turkey $ 3 billion to $ 20 (a billion).
          That is - Putin in this case dealt the most sensitive blow - can afford.
          Quote: BecmepH
          Tomatoes and a person’s life are worthless to put on one bowl of scales

          For human life, I remember, the VKS plowed the whole area. In good faith so. Then there were screams that "extinguish peaceful Turkoman." The screams were ... ignored.
          IMHO everything is exactly request
      2. forester
        forester 21 December 2017 10: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: forester
        Sport of the highest achievements is impossible without any stimulants - everyone accepts without exception - not everyone catches. This is a political anti-Russian action, therefore the answer was to be political ...

        ... until this moment - everything is as it should good
        Quote: forester
        ... an exit from the IOC and a boycott of the OI, and it should have been heard from the lips of officials ...

        ... woo-yyyy ... Well, that's why - "out of the IOC" will punish anyone? IOC? Not funny even request
        Knowing the GDP, I think that the answer will still be. And this will not be a “way out of the IOC” at all, but a thread from a completely different plane. But it doesn’t seem to be enough (as “it didn’t seem enough” to the Turks with the so-called “tomato war”, for example).
        Revenge is a dish served cold (c) I don’t remember who.

        elementary watson - leaving mock Russia will deprive mock of very small money that it pays in the form of contributions - why participate in an organization that, guided by political motives dictated by us from the puddle, faces its face in the mud for our money. And I’ll end with the hockey topic for the hockey players Sochi Mok forbade playing for our national team in Korea - what will Kovalchuk sing now? He does not shine now)))
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 21 December 2017 11: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: forester
          What will Kovalchuk sing now?

          The second time will be reprogrammed. After all, at first they categorically refused to go to the "games".
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 21 December 2017 13: 59 New
          +9
          Quote: forester
          elementary watson - leaving mok Russia will deprive mok of not very small money that pays in the form of contributions

          Vika is lying that:
          The IOC's sole source of funding is the private sector. Most of the funds come from television companies and sponsors. Thanks to these partners, the IOC can significantly help organize the Olympic Games, the annual activities of national Olympic committees and international sports delegations.
          As of the beginning of 2010, the IOC receives income from the sale of rights to broadcast the Olympic Games (53% of the total), from sponsors (34%), from ticket sales (11%) and from licensing (2%). IOC revenue in 2008 was $ 2,4 billion

          What, excuse me, membership dues?

          PS: Membership fees are in WADA. In WADA, the Russian Federation has not paid since 2016, EMNIP.
      3. Wildfox
        Wildfox 21 December 2017 12: 33 New
        0
        Don Carleone, if my memory serves me right.
    2. Mityasha
      Mityasha 21 December 2017 07: 54 New
      +2
      Or, as an option, invite ordinary citizens at the state’s expense to support our athletes with different flash mobs on the sites, singing the anthem in all cases in protest, waving Russian flags in front of all the cameras. Disruption of events. Like a Belarusian at the Rio Olympics: symbolism is not allowed - no, it is possible and NEEDED. ALL fans in tricolor suits at the Olympics ...
  6. tasha
    tasha 21 December 2017 07: 32 New
    10
    Well, here we are ..
    Now, readers' comments on the articles will be the subject of the article, to which comments will again be left, which will again be the subject of the article .... wink

    Moreover, heavy artillery in the person of VO regular authors expresses their opinion on the specific comments of specific readers .. Yeah ... request "The Kalabukhov house has disappeared ..."


    1. domokl
      domokl 21 December 2017 07: 50 New
      +9
      Do you think readers ’opinions mean nothing? IN not only the media, but also a discussion platform. Authors and readers here argue constantly. Or are you for the "God chosen" authors? For their right to the only correct opinion?
      1. tasha
        tasha 21 December 2017 08: 05 New
        +1
        Do you think readers ’opinions mean nothing?

        No I do not think so. I believe that it’s not very nice in the article to refer to specific comments of specific readers and express their approval / not approval ..
        1. tasha
          tasha 21 December 2017 08: 21 New
          +3
          It seems to me that VO lacks a voting system.
          1. your1970
            your1970 21 December 2017 09: 29 New
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            Quote: tasha
            It seems to me that VO lacks a voting system.
            -a also taken away system of minuses
    2. marline
      marline 21 December 2017 09: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: tasha
      Now, readers' comments on the articles will be the subject of the article, to which comments will again be left, which will again be the subject of the article .... wink

      Recursion! But how quickly you can fill the site with content.
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 21 December 2017 11: 12 New
        +3
        Not enough machine gun! In.
        Than hollow on the clave, it is easier to press the shutter - and the result is obvious.
        ....
        All these sites are needed for one.
        It used to be said - the steam went off the whistle!
        That's the whole calico. We whistle here, whistle, we even sometimes like it. We begin to feel ourselves wise.
        And steam ... fute ... and that. Ended up. Not doing any useful work.
        Efficiency - well, just above zero. And then it applies to those who filter this foam by type of service.
        And to us - a net expense. To pay for Internet traffic. And still lightness in the soul - uttered, they say.
        That's the whole deal.
        1. tasha
          tasha 21 December 2017 11: 36 New
          +3
          It happens. And it rolled on you? wink


          So what to do? Otherwise, personally, I completely run wild, however ... wink
  7. 1536
    1536 21 December 2017 07: 32 New
    +1
    You can understand people. But only that. And in the IOC it was necessary to call the athletes from Russia "Russian Liberated Athletes." The Germans would have been more understandable.
  8. Altona
    Altona 21 December 2017 07: 55 New
    +8
    I have repeatedly spoken out on this subject. It is actually closed to me. These stickers, stripes, a white ringed flag are the white bandage of the Khivi "in the service of the Wehrmacht (or SS)," a continuation of the repentance of Koli-S-Urengoy.
    PS In general, Pierre De Coubertin was a lover of trophies and archaeological finds, envied the German Schliemann, who found the ancient Troy and wealth. Therefore, I decided to give birth to a commercial project of the Olympics, hiding behind pure symbols in order to actually engage in black archeology in Greece. But something went wrong. By the way, he pledged with Hitler in 1936 and admired. Here, together with Goebbels, they offered a torch run-relay race of the Olympic flame. Such is the story of the origin of modern Olympics. In 1980, we too could lose the Olympics due to the war in Afghanistan, but Lord Killanin turned out to be a decent and honest man. He even told the Soviet leadership that he was under unprecedented pressure.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 21 December 2017 08: 14 New
    12
    - Where did you go? - Olympics! - Wait! “Why are you holding him?” Let it go. He had a year of disqualification, three more will be thrown at the Olympics, then another five. Go, go, Vasya.
    1. your1970
      your1970 21 December 2017 09: 31 New
      +8
      Quote: parusnik
      - Where did you go? - Olympics! - Wait! “Why are you holding him?” Let it go. He had a year of disqualification, three more will be thrown at the Olympics, then another five. Go, go, Vasya.
      - and another three years later they will take away the medal under the pretext of doping
  10. Alex_59
    Alex_59 21 December 2017 08: 38 New
    10
    Equate sport to military patriotism? Mdya ... it seems the world is really going crazy.
    The issue is global; it stands above state interests, politics and sports. This is a philosophical category. What is more important - personal, or public? How to make the right choice? I do not envy athletes. It’s not worth it to reduce everything to dough and personal ambitions. Now they have any choice that is bad, and I don’t know how I would act in their place. Difficult. Do not go? Put your life under the tail of a cat? Go? Separate yourself from the homeland that is not expected? Both choices are bad.
    Personally, I have a different question - why do they have such a choice? There is a state. He needs the Olympic Games under the flag of the country. Where were you before, why did you bring the situation to such a state?
    This is ridiculous. Sporstmans must not ride under their own flag - this is not patriotic. But for officials and oligarchs to send children and families to live and study outside Russia is patriotic, right? To buy real estate there, to keep money? And at the same time bring the situation with sports to such a state. Laugh.
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 21 December 2017 10: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Alex_59
      Equate sport to military patriotism?

      And what is military patriotism? And how does he differ from other patriotisms?
      Sporstmans must not ride under their own flag - this is not patriotic. But for officials and oligarchs to send children and families to live and study outside Russia is patriotic, right? To buy real estate there, to keep money? And at the same time bring the situation with sports to such a state. Laugh.
      So these are just not against the trip of athletes.
      And yet, they need at our expense to drive there as part of the delegation. It seems like you work (officially after all) and you can relax from thoughts (everyone thinks about Mother Russia).
      And still it is necessary to check the "real estate" and can even buy it, a child to check, to drive it to London.
      So - there is no end to affairs.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 21 December 2017 13: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: BecmepH
        And what is military patriotism? And how does he differ from other patriotisms?

        Well, maybe I didn’t put it right. I had in mind the implacable struggle to the last drop of worker-peasant red blood. At the Olympics as in Berlin, no more, no less.
        I personally think this approach devalues ​​the value of real military victories. It’s the same as milkmaids starting to give out St. George crosses for overfulfilling the plan.
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 22 December 2017 05: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Alex_59
          Quote: BecmepH
          And what is military patriotism? And how does he differ from other patriotisms?

          Well, maybe I didn’t put it right. I had in mind the implacable struggle to the last drop of worker-peasant red blood. At the Olympics as in Berlin, no more, no less.
          I personally think this approach devalues ​​the value of real military victories. It’s the same as milkmaids starting to give out St. George crosses for overfulfilling the plan.

          Agree
        2. Old warrior
          Old warrior 25 December 2017 14: 10 New
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          “Well, you think, what's the connection?” (C). Sir! You are fool? Or just an intellectual, which is basically the same thing.
    2. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan 22 December 2017 07: 31 New
      0
      Both choices are bad.

      How to make the right choice?

      It's simple: the state did not protect? No. Is the state “jealous” of citizens? "Jealous." Well then, "just go" for "no one here likes to make a decision".

      The analogy is the relationship between a man and a woman. If someone puts some kind of obstacles (here is a list of requirements and ... the only way and no other way), if someone does not support when necessary. If not able to protect. If only spread rot. Then why the hell is such a life partner, huh?
    3. Lebedev
      Lebedev 22 December 2017 10: 45 New
      0
      I agree with Alex_59, the lack of clear leadership and protection from the country's sports leadership does not lead to anything good ... The situation with sports is only a reflection of the general attitude of the upper echelons to the country as a means of personal enrichment, well, plus amateurism in terms of knowledge and application on practice of international law, since we play by their rules ...
  11. Loess
    Loess 21 December 2017 09: 03 New
    +3
    The authors have some kind of strange logic ... tricky ... Can it be that if I don’t wave the tricolor, walk the street singing a hymn and go to work in work clothes that don’t have the colors of the flag of my country, I stop being Russian from this? Do I really have the right to be called only a citizen of Russia? I am in this place:
    Author: Alexander Staver, Roman Skomorokhov
    did not see the flag, did not hear the anthem, i.e. The text was written not by Russian authors of the Russian resource, but authors from Russia? Such logic, I understand everything correctly? And if we compare the athletes under the Olympic flag with the soldiers of the warring army ... This is not a completely correct comparison in my opinion, but since they compare, then I will compare. Take the partisan movement. Partisans in the Second World War often did not have a flag, military uniforms, did not have stripes confirming belonging to the belligerent army, acted exclusively on the territory occupied by the enemy ... The enemy did not consider them soldiers and prisoners of war, considered them as bandit formations ... In your opinion, these people too “it’s not clear who” and it’s not clear for what “? Once again, I don’t think it is correct to draw a direct analogy between athletes in peaceful conditions and soldiers who risk their lives in real hostilities, but I didn’t start first. I DO NOT protect ayu athletes, I'm just against those methods that are used by the authors in defending their point of view. I personally prefer option when all the athletes on a voluntary basis would have refused to participate in the Olympics. But the authors who have decided
    reflect and analyze the opinions of readers
    somehow too one-sidedly analyzed and, again, used incorrect analogies.
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 21 December 2017 10: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: Less
      they didn’t have a flag, military uniforms, they didn’t have badges confirming belonging to the fighting army, they acted exclusively on the territory occupied by the enemy ... The enemy did not consider them soldiers and prisoners of war, regarded them as gangs ...

      You said it yourself
  12. Altona
    Altona 21 December 2017 09: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: Alex_59
    Equate sport to military patriotism? Mdya ... it seems the world is really going crazy.

    -----------------------------------
    At the Olympics, states compete, so there is such a resonance. And by the way, everyone speaks at the world championships, despite the IOC sanctions, few have been suspended on such far-fetched charges.
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 21 December 2017 10: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      At the Olympics, states compete, so there is such a resonance.

      Everything was conceived just the opposite, as a competition of individuals. But in fact, just as the games appeared, they began to distort their essence, making sports a weapon of propaganda. With a logical connective - since our athletes are better, this means our development model is more advanced. Of course, only those powers that are sick with megalomania do this. But in fact it’s just a game!
      Actually we were injected into the Olympic sore spot precisely because it was painful. Anyone who did this clearly understood that we would perceive it precisely as an act of humiliation in a patriotic aspect. If we were indifferent, this would not have had such an effect and action. And what is most sad, the plan of the provocateurs works as intended - judging by the abundance of indignation, bustle and articles.
      Quote: Altona
      few were removed on such far-fetched charges.

      It’s clear that this is a provocation! Moreover, the shape is rough, and the effect is thin. It was the state that was punished - the flag, officials, the country. But the athletes were allowed to speak - only not under their own flag. Those. They want to let us know - the reason for these troubles is not ordinary people, not athletes, but your system of government, your officials, your state. Therefore, we will punish the state, and of course we will allow your poor athletes to play, because they are victims of your bloody regime. And the worst thing is that our state really allowed the possibility of such a provocation with its clumsy actions. Those. in fact, the adversary is right - it is our state that is to blame, it makes no sense to argue with this. They clearly want to push us to a "regime change." Our answer, as ordinary people, I think should be non-standard - we should not blaspheme our athletes, we should not rebuke them for the fact that they will go, nor for the fact that they will not go. We must support them in any decision. And in relations with the authorities, we must demand the resignation of officials who allowed this mess, but do not go further and transfer this negative to our country as a whole, because a radical change of power in our country is harmful, but the punishment of inept officials is useful.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 21 December 2017 14: 14 New
        +7
        Quote: Alex_59
        we must not blaspheme our athletes, we must not rebuke them for the fact that they will go, nor for the fact that they will not go. We must support them in any decision. And in relations with the authorities, we must demand the resignation of officials who allowed this mess, but not go further and transfer this negative to our country as a whole, because a radical change of power in our country is harmful, but the punishment of inept officials is useful

        100500 good
      2. S-kerrigan
        S-kerrigan 22 December 2017 07: 38 New
        0
        Namely - in the relations between clinically healthy people this is done, they support each other. Immediately I see the clinical insanity and idiocy of those who slop water our compatriots, squeezed in a vise. It is our citizens who are to blame for having committed such lawlessness. Residents of the Russian Federation are to blame. Guilty state.
      3. Lebedev
        Lebedev 22 December 2017 10: 49 New
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        good Totally agree
  13. Galleon
    Galleon 21 December 2017 09: 52 New
    +3
    The authors of the article concluded correctly and, in my opinion, is not subject to appeal. The issue can be considered resolved and the topic is almost closed. The only result: who did go, who did not bother - publish photos here for those who live in the wilderness without a TV and are a little out of touch with everything. I mean myself. what repeat
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 21 December 2017 10: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Galleon
      The issue can be considered resolved and the topic is almost closed.

      Far from it. After the end of this "game, how much we will hear groans, excuses and how many we will see snot-drooling ... It’s already disgusting
  14. Chaos
    Chaos 21 December 2017 09: 57 New
    +1
    I liked the article. There’s nothing to add.
  15. Galleon
    Galleon 21 December 2017 10: 10 New
    +9
    Quote: S-Kerrigan
    And this desire to humiliate people only because they don’t want to live in poverty and live like normal people - I don’t even know what’s more here ... bile, envy or what?

    Do not you think that the argument you have given is very weak in itself? “They don’t want to live in poverty” are slave traders and pimps, drug dealers and hired killers, women with low social responsibility (without quotes, they don’t want to live in poverty) and robbers, Chubais, Ulyukaev (with big quotes) and the German people during the time of Hitler. In addition to unwillingness to live in poverty, there must be other arguments, and if there is only one left, such categories of people come to mind. You didn’t bring any other arguments - they don’t remain. Maybe because there are other competitions besides the Olympics: the World Cup, European Championships, etc., and athletes of an international level still do not live in poverty? And this your only argument is in quotation marks. Like Chubais and Ulyukaev.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 21 December 2017 11: 17 New
      +5
      Galleon, I agree one hundred percent.
      Poor athletes do not want to live in poverty. Therefore, instead of unloading wagons with coal, suppose they pull an iron rod in the hall, washing it down with steroids.
      And all the other citizens of Russia, including the Guarantor, simply dreamed of living in poverty - they went to work. Every morning they go to work. They go on watch. Down the faces.
      Argument ..... on the verge of psychoshift.
      1. Old warrior
        Old warrior 25 December 2017 14: 16 New
        0
        Something tells me that athletes get well without the Olympics, unlike the rest of the population. So, to whom, to whom, and poverty does not threaten them.
    2. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan 22 December 2017 07: 41 New
      0
      Ok, I’ll answer.
      I was not the first to write about this, please note!
      About this, the authors of the post, the administration of the resource, were the first to start. These were their remarks about the fact that the athletes in our first and only turn are “nobody”, “with rotten nature” and “only think about money”.
      My thesis was that there is nothing wrong with the desire to live as a man.

      I sincerely hope that I was able to clarify my TZ
  16. NOTaFED
    NOTaFED 21 December 2017 10: 32 New
    +5
    Still, it’s very simple: if you want to go to the Olympics outside the Russian national team (that is exactly what they offer) - go. For their money. And then you no longer play for the Russian team. Never. So ride further everywhere under the white, rainbow or some other flag. And in your place come the real citizens of their country, who have honor and conscience.
    This is the position the state should have regarding the "national team and athletes."
  17. Cruel beaver
    Cruel beaver 21 December 2017 10: 36 New
    +2
    Staver and Skomorokhov, as always, not in the eyebrow but in the eye! hi
    PSI am always happy to read their articles.
  18. mih_sergeev92
    mih_sergeev92 21 December 2017 10: 43 New
    0
    How many people, so many opinions
  19. timgan777
    timgan777 21 December 2017 10: 51 New
    +1
    and there’s nothing to add .... thanks for the article
  20. sabakina
    sabakina 21 December 2017 11: 03 New
    +6
    The older generation becomes radical in only one case. In the case of saints for most things. Flag, anthem, honor of the country, attitude to the country

    In the film "War in the West" in 4 series there is such a dialogue. It is about the release of generals from prison. Mehlis is against this.
    Mehlis:
    - They all hate you, Comrade Stalin!
    Stalin:
    - They will fight not for Stalin, but for their homeland.
  21. Altona
    Altona 21 December 2017 11: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Alex_59
    Everything was conceived just the opposite, as a competition of individuals.

    ------------------------------------
    I wrote, it was conceived as an additional startup Coubertin to rob archaeological sites in Greece, but such an additional idea became higher than the main one. There was no competition of personalities, there were countries with teams, and there were repeated boycotts and suspensions.
    https://topwar.ru/38880-olimpiada-v-kogtyah-svast
    iki.html
    Yes, there’s an old article about “sport outside politics”.
  22. Osya Bender
    Osya Bender 21 December 2017 11: 30 New
    +6
    Is the athlete's age short? Tell it to the guys in Gorlovka, okay?
    Yes. You can’t say better
  23. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 21 December 2017 12: 24 New
    +2
    Well, that’s what the bastards mclarenis so sought from us - our society was quarreled. Now here is another piece of news - our Palimpians are not allowed by the Maclaren at the Olympics. And what about this? And how will our athletes who decided to go here act and spit on our disabled athletes?
    1. Old warrior
      Old warrior 25 December 2017 14: 20 New
      +1
      Do we really need such Olympics? I think no. Oh Sport, you're dead!
  24. Mainsteering
    Mainsteering 21 December 2017 12: 31 New
    +1
    [/ quote] Damn, litter of course, but I already boiled from walking in circles of this topic.
    So to the point:
    - I do not like all these attempts to hurt the Russian Federation
    - I don't like the IOC
    - I do not like trampling on the very foundations of the Olympics.
    But ... uv. edition of the portal !!! Enough! Enough like that to stop pushing!
    which brought the sport to a syringe, pills and full popalov
    Do you really not realize that most of the cases against ours are fabricated and rigged?
    Or just for the sake of a beautiful word to omit all athletes?
    Next, here you state
    Man you, or trembling
    For me, iron eggs are so needed to just go. Are you blind or what? These athletes were spread rot before "they". And now you are connected. You have no conscience along the way. Because they became for one with our "partners".
    The athlete has a really short eyelid. And he has been betting his whole life for the sake of the fact that sometimes there is only one attempt to break into world competitions. Everything else sometimes goes to hell bald. Personal life, study, career and the best years. And these people are looking at people like you ... at the citizens of "this country", charged with "govnometami". For all this reaction from mine. After such "friends" and enemies it is not necessary.
    Z-a-d-o-l-b-a-l-i.
    I’m not an athlete, I’m sorry for the power. But you have no right to humiliate those who between the rock and the hard place were simply because they were. And this desire to humiliate people only because they don’t want to live in poverty and live like normal people - I don’t even know what’s more here ... bile, envy or what? You are not going to lobby for the interests of the injured athletes, advocating for "life-long compensation to those who gave their lives for the sport, but were not allowed to speak"? Apparently not. Then do not be surprised that everything is fair - people want to live and eat. And it takes money. And they have the pride of "taking and doing something no matter what," and not standing at the subway with outstretched hands. [Quote]

    Well, tell me how the athletes in the evening after a hard day at the machine and after all household chores run into the gym for training. They sacrifice everyone to amuse us ...
  25. pepel
    pepel 21 December 2017 12: 54 New
    0
    Watch nothing at all. When you turn on the broadcast, switch to another gear. Low ratings will do their job. bully
  26. Earnest
    Earnest 21 December 2017 13: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: S-Kerrigan
    Damn, litter of course, but I already boiled from walking in circles of this topic.
    For me, iron eggs are so needed to just go. Are you blind or what? These athletes were spread rot before "they". And now you are connected. You have no conscience along the way. Because they became for one with our "partners".
    The athlete has a really short eyelid. And he has been betting his whole life for the sake of the fact that sometimes there is only one attempt to break into world competitions. Everything else sometimes goes to hell bald. Personal life, study, career and the best years. And these people are looking at people like you ... at the citizens of "this country", charged with "govnometami". For all this reaction from mine. After such "friends" and enemies it is not necessary.
    Z-a-d-o-l-b-a-l-i.

    I am sure and publicly assert: Putin had announced a boycott of the Olympics, and 90% of athletes would go on their own under a neutral flag, another percent of 50 of them would change citizenship to a more convenient one for such “trips” within a year. There are no friends in the business, patriotism for most of them is an additional PR, for the rating of “flicker on the screen”.
    1. tveritianin
      tveritianin 21 December 2017 15: 50 New
      0
      And let them go and change their citizenship. Others who did not sell for grants would grow. And it’s like in the biathlon: we lifted Domrachev, Kuzmin, etc. from the national team. They compete for other countries and for their Flags, but we still have those who are unable to reach the flower ceremony!
  27. Mainsteering
    Mainsteering 21 December 2017 14: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Captain45
    Quote: SERGUS
    And I don’t like the President’s passivity in this matter, like let them decide if they want, then let them go, they don’t want not to go,

    And you, it turns out, only by decree of the President do you decide to fight for the country or not? And if there is no team, then it is possible to lie down in the bushes, but if they give a command, .... then we .... will break them. And the President is right when he said, let them decide for themselves what they are, for the honor of the country or the loot. This is their personal choice, which is more valuable to them.

    No, of course ... Now, whenever I want, I’ll go to the unwanted ones to mow left and right .. What’s the president to me ...
  28. tveritianin
    tveritianin 21 December 2017 15: 46 New
    +3
    There is no public ideology in the country (read the national idea), there is no concept of the “Russian people” in the Constitution, there is no main value idea in the education - the education of the Patriot of the Country, there is and CAN NOT be what you all write about - CITIZEN OF RUSSIA. Those. a person who is ready for Part and Freedom of his Country to go to any hardships only because it is his homeland, mother, and the future of his children!
    We are discussing kolyuzurengoy, and who is he ?! not one of the same athletes who spit on us all. I always fly slogans from the enemy trench: they are children, they want to say a word, they are sportsmen who have one chance in life. A person standing at the gunpoint of an enemy gun or knife at the throat also has only one chance! A man, not even a patriot, but simply a man born on the earth of his ancestors, worried about the fate of children and the mother who gave birth to him, makes a choice that takes him to Eternity! Even without the fact that his choice (read - a feat) will then be known to everyone. Honor without conscience is unthinkable, Pride for the Country, without love for it, too! So let them go. The authors write correctly in the article: people of the older generation understand everything.
    What people of the older generation do not understand and do not accept is silencing problems in sports, (as elsewhere) the lack of punishment for the inaction of those who are obliged (up to courts and appearances at all international venues accessible to Russia) to defend the Honor of the Country and its athletes, representing! Just as the ostrich’s position of the entire leadership of the country is incomprehensible: let them decide! If they decide and go as athletes from Russia, then let them go at their own expense, just like athletes from Russia, who have one chance to speak at the Olympics, realize it. They will conquer something, let the sports federations in which they are members honor them.
    And to go without a Flag, without a form, without the Anthem of the Country for its (that is, our) account, for our money - is AMORAL in relation to at least half of the country's population!
    Like the authors, where I started, I’ll end there.
    Neither the State (represented by its structures), nor the country's leadership (represented by the first three persons), except for public pathetics at the rallies, do practically nothing for us (CITIZENS OF RUSSIA) to be respected in the world, because there is a State for 1% of caliphs and “stepmother” " for others!
    1. Old warrior
      Old warrior 25 December 2017 14: 24 New
      0
      Exactly: the lack of an internal core is our main misfortune. A state without a National Idea (Ideology), just a bunch of fog, a kind of amorphous state ... sort of mucus ...
  29. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 21 December 2017 17: 35 New
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    Well done authors !!!
    1. White and fluffy
      White and fluffy 24 December 2017 13: 15 New
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      I fully support !!
  30. Sinbad
    Sinbad 21 December 2017 17: 46 New
    0
    I read the article - right! I read the comments - right, both of them. And a thought arose in my head, since it is impossible for a team of Russian athletes to send a team of Russian fans, with flags, with Russian symbols, etc. Let them root for the team that does not exist. Who can ban them?
    1. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 21 December 2017 19: 29 New
      +2
      Yeah! And Russian officials and their families will go at the expense of taxpayers "cheer for ???" For whom? For Kolya from Urengoy?
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 21 December 2017 19: 52 New
      +2
      What are the fans with the flag? They even banned writing in social networks about Russia, the flag! Thinking will be banned soon.
  31. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 21 December 2017 19: 38 New
    +4
    Almost half of the national team of “athletes from Russia” are military men from CSKA. Shoigu has a direct relationship with them - he pays them and assigns military ranks, usually officers, gives apartments and pensions. And these "comrade officers" how do they feel now? And Shoigu himself? The Commander-in-Chief as a “guarantor of freedoms” can still be understood, he is also responsible for the LARGE MONEY paid to all bureaucrats of the OKR and the Ministry of Sports, who failed, and he knows that in the case of our boycott, the country's direct financial losses will only increase - his diplomatic maneuvers can be understood , the main barking and vile howl is coming from everywhere. But Shoigu? He, within the framework of his DEFENSE MINISTRY'S COMPETENCE, could by one order slow down athlete servicemen or dismiss from the military service the snickering "military athletes from Russia" who wished for international "experiments" in a Korean prison under a white "Olympic" flag. If Putin allows this, I personally, as I have already written about, will not go to vote on the “election” of the President of the Russian Federation - in sign of MY protest.
    1. seal78
      seal78 23 December 2017 20: 12 New
      0
      What kind of nonsense? Of the 208 people, half are from CSKA?
    2. White and fluffy
      White and fluffy 24 December 2017 13: 24 New
      0
      It is generally not clear how one person (president) can satisfy the hopes and aspirations of people in generalized parasites and poor niches.
  32. demo
    demo 21 December 2017 19: 41 New
    +4
    Read the biography of our hero - Mr. Zhukov.
    The President of the Russian Olympic Committee (ROC), Alexander Zhukov, announced that he would be ready to once again stand for the election of the head of the organization at the report-and-election Olympic meeting, which will be held on May 29.

    The First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of the sixth convocation, President of the Russian Olympic Committee Alexander Zhukov was born on June 1, 1956 in Moscow.

    In 1978 he graduated from the Faculty of Economics of Moscow State University named after M.V. Lomonosov, majoring in economics and mathematics, in 1991 - International School of Business, Harvard University, USA. Specialist in the field of currency, tax and customs legislation.


    In 1978-1980 he worked at the All-Union Scientific Research Institute for System Research of the USSR Academy of Sciences (now the Institute for System Analysis of the Russian Academy of Sciences).

    From 1980 to 1991 - an employee of the main monetary and economic department of the USSR Ministry of Finance.

    In 1986-1989 he was a deputy of the Bauman District Council of People's Deputies.

    From 1991 to 1993, he was vice president of the foreign economic joint-stock company Avtotraktoroexport.

    In 1994-2004, he was a deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation of the first, second, third and fourth convocations. Deputy Chairman, Chairman of the Budget and Tax Committee. In the State Duma of the fourth convocation - First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma.

    Well, and how with such "milestones in the life course", especially with Harvard, this fruit will be the homeland, its anthem, its flag, its coat of arms to protect.
    For me, so if you have a diploma from Harvard, Cambridge, Prieston and similar educational institutions, deport without words back, closer to the alma mater.
  33. victorrat
    victorrat 21 December 2017 19: 49 New
    +1
    Outrage. The people say to the athletes: There is nothing to do and shame. We do not agree to this. And the athletes do not care. They need to earn! But the state, and not the people, pays for their preparation. Therefore, the opinion of the people can be spit.
    1. domokl
      domokl 22 December 2017 06: 03 New
      0
      bully And you can go to another resource and see the same people with their hands up. All for. And about the money for the preparation ... This is just my and your money. And all the other readers. We pay for their preparation. And pay enough.
  34. Radikal
    Radikal 21 December 2017 20: 28 New
    0
    Great article - Respect! good
  35. free
    free 21 December 2017 20: 29 New
    0
    Something is about to happen soon. The spirit of change is in the air.
  36. Radikal
    Radikal 21 December 2017 20: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Alex_59
    Equate sport to military patriotism? Mdya ... it seems the world is really going crazy.
    The issue is global; it stands above state interests, politics and sports. This is a philosophical category. What is more important - personal, or public? How to make the right choice? I do not envy athletes. It’s not worth it to reduce everything to dough and personal ambitions. Now they have any choice that is bad, and I don’t know how I would act in their place. Difficult. Do not go? Put your life under the tail of a cat? Go? Separate yourself from the homeland that is not expected? Both choices are bad.
    Personally, I have a different question - why do they have such a choice? There is a state. He needs the Olympic Games under the flag of the country. Where were you before, why did you bring the situation to such a state?
    This is ridiculous. Sporstmans must not ride under their own flag - this is not patriotic. But for officials and oligarchs to send children and families to live and study outside Russia is patriotic, right? To buy real estate there, to keep money? And at the same time bring the situation with sports to such a state. Laugh.

    And here there is just no contradiction - we treat both the officials you mentioned (who incidentally "blessed" the latter for the trip) and these athletes! hi
  37. nikvic46
    nikvic46 21 December 2017 21: 06 New
    +1
    We forget which country we live in. If the athlete fled the country under the advice, then he was considered a traitor. He was a traitor to the ideology of the former state. Let someone name the ideology of Russia. Now the main priority for most people is money, and athletes are no different from people who strive for well-being.
    turned into a consumer society. Of course, WADA and the IOC did bestial. You can’t blame all athletes
    in the consumption of doping. But I am against the condemnation of participation in the Olympics. The new country has brought up Athletes.
  38. AGG024
    AGG024 21 December 2017 21: 17 New
    +1
    And if tomorrow is a war, if tomorrow is a campaign, and we will be banned from fighting under our flag and anthem. Then what, stupidly agree on a white flag with an emblem which will be offered? And we’ll take a bunch of conditions how to fight at the expense of ourselves? Why do we initially make ourselves flawed? Although no, not so! Why did these "athletes" make our country defective initially?
  39. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 21 December 2017 21: 19 New
    +1
    No need to go to the Olympics in this situation, Kadyrov is right - without the Russian Flag and anthem, we have nothing to do there!
  40. tezey
    tezey 21 December 2017 21: 44 New
    +2
    For me personally, athletes from Russia are private individuals. They do not represent the country, but only themselves beloved. They are not interesting to me, I will not root for them. They want to participate, to ban it wrong. But for your money. Pay for trainers, accommodation, doctors, meals themselves, not the state, or let them look for sponsors. But there is still a problem for them. Everything will be done to complicate their stay and performances as much as possible. They understand it or not. Yes, the country is in a humiliating position. But when you are humiliated, you need to respond harshly, and not smear the snot and wipe it. They didn’t answer, they will continue to beat.
  41. NordUral
    NordUral 21 December 2017 22: 25 New
    +1
    I am stunned! The cattle reception of our athletes on the OO-2018 by the IOC was supposed to be initially, but not to the same extent !!!

    And there is no doubt that the reception will not be bestial. As in the fact that again and again they will pour out ears of dirt and impudent lies. And they won’t let them win. Surrendered and I will show it to the whole world. And I especially blame the supreme power, it is to blame for this. Itself is corrupt in the main, and the sport has turned into corrupt.
  42. Lyuba1965_01
    Lyuba1965_01 21 December 2017 23: 05 New
    +1
    I looked at the comments. Everyone is arguing about something, they are proving .... And I want to ask a question: if in this situation, athletes from the States were offered to go to the Olympic Games under a neutral flag, would many agree?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 21 December 2017 23: 59 New
      +9
      Quote: Lyuba1965_01
      if in such a situation, athletes from the United States were offered to go to the Olympic Games under a neutral flag, would many agree?

      Depends on.
      If the US state (non-poor, we note the state) would compensate the athletes for their losses from non-participation in the Olympics - few would go. Purely for medals.
      If the state (as in our case) said, “And these are your problems,” almost everyone would have broken. Well, except for the outsiders, who obviously do not shine at the Games, they would start to draw megapatriots from themselves.
      Business, only business request
      1. domokl
        domokl 22 December 2017 05: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        almost all would rush.

        Oh, you underestimate American patriotism. There, after all, it’s not just for a movie in the morning that they raise a flag in front of their own house ... Americans just would not have gone.
      2. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 25 December 2017 18: 35 New
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        But Russia did compensate it for athletes who were not allowed to attend the World Championships in Athletics. So why isn’t it compensating now?
    2. Old warrior
      Old warrior 25 December 2017 14: 31 New
      +1
      Of course not. Like their actors, they wouldn’t act in films where mud poured on their Country. Americans love their country.
  43. tezey
    tezey 21 December 2017 23: 14 New
    +1
    What else do I want to add. I don’t understand why the people in charge of the sport Mutko, Zhukov still occupy their posts. They showed their complete failure. We say that it’s worthless for athletes to go to the Olympics not under the flag of the country, and this is so. And what gentlemen did from sports, so that they would not humiliate pure athletes and the country. Why do we hear their indistinct excuses that we are being unjustly offended. They didn’t start offending yesterday. Where were their decisive actions. The courts had to be filed immediately as soon as the company began against us. The German filmed a vile film about state support by the state of doping. Why didn’t they sue him for libel in the same Germany? Why do not they apply personal sanctions against persons in the WAD who pour mud on our country. Amazing indifference, helplessness, shortsightedness were shown by all of these Mutko, Zhukovs and their relatives. It's a shame for the country, for the athletes.
    1. domokl
      domokl 22 December 2017 06: 00 New
      +1
      bully And then we ... well, someday ... maybe ... if we want to ... we will hire lawyers and sue ... Or not. So as not to strain international relations ... Think of our disabled people again insulted and not allowed to POI.
      They are disabled. And the people you listed ... these are statesmen. There is no replacement for them. They need to be cherished. Give a medal for swimming in shit for the New Year ...
  44. Lexus
    Lexus 21 December 2017 23: 20 New
    +1
    Have you noticed?
    During the Great Patriotic War, on Soviet posters, Germany and Berlin were written in the font "no more than the main one."

    The Red Army turned the Wehrmacht into "captive Germans", the leaders were "eliminated", fascist symbols were banned.
    It seems that the "wet" dreamer of the IV Reich x ... rr bach decided to take revenge ... At least somehow.
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  46. SHAH
    SHAH 22 December 2017 09: 40 New
    +1
    [i] [/ i] The trip of athletes is a continuation of the treacherous policy of the authorities towards the Russian people.
    Guilty Mutko brought the country's sports world under the roof, Fursenko ruined school education - USE
    under protection - Advisor to the President, Khristenko, Manturov killing industry in high esteem, Chubais collapsed
    energy, today the recipient of a lot of money in a nano-corporation with zero returns and their darkness. Sit on
    in large armchairs they kill everything they touch and the authorities approve of their actions or inaction, they also reward them. That Russian sport fell into this position, the logical outcome of the entire liberal-thieves epic
    reign over these 25 years. Keeping them in power will make things worse.
  47. Foxmara
    Foxmara 22 December 2017 10: 23 New
    +1
    "Why is the DPRK rumored to be asked to speak at the Olympics and Russia to be kicked out?"
    So this, they probably won’t shoot at their own? That's the whole truth - why beg the DPRK;)
    And so - who is there to regret if the Chinese had not come b? Athletes from Russia?

    I think if the GDP simply said that he was not opposed, but personally he considered it a betrayal, then by the evening all the channels would flatly refuse to show, and most athletes refused to go. And so - if you want - go, they will not punish anyone. Everyone’s personal choice. After all, you can’t be forced to be a patriot. It is either there or not.

    Of course we won’t; their THERE will be punished cleaner than what could be here. The smart ones would stay. It’s more than two months before the Olympics, and the enemies’ imagination (let's give the correct definitions) has not been exhausted. On the other hand, we could ask Kolya and Urengoy what it is like to live as an outcast in their own country, but athletes from Russia may well change their citizenship. By the way, like Kolya, who lost a few pounds.
  48. Galina Artamonova
    Galina Artamonova 22 December 2017 11: 46 New
    +2
    From the point of view of the Indian Vedas, we are now living in a transitional era - Crete - south. The era of evil has ended in zero. After Crete-yuga there will come an era of happiness and goodness of Sati - south. There will be a gap between Crete and Sati - a disaster that will destroy many countries According to the prophecies, Western Europe and the USA will suffer greatly. So who today proudly arches his neck and lifts his nose up quickly can respectfully fold his legs and wag his tail. It’s impossible to humiliate Russia just like that - it is pleasing to God. So let's forgive the IOC. As soon as you forgive the evil, it becomes a problem of the one who sent it to you. I myself was angry at first. And now I think like this - bedbugs, mosquitoes, midges and flies painfully bite. But they do not become powerful and beautiful from this. They are only bedbugs and flies and midges. And let our athletes train.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 22 December 2017 22: 07 New
      0
      Galina Artamonova .... and even better - let them not go, eh?
      We will forgive them. We will forgive everyone.
      Money will remain whole. But we will forgive this. For money.
      .
      God is not a haven for the incapable. To nothing. Otherwise, he would not give us FREE will.
      And so ... we are all ready to forgive everyone ... maybe once there .. in the third millennium of the fifth circle of the sixth Vedanta of Ayui reincarnation that will contribute to us.
      .
      By the way, the sportsmen ... are being buried .... here ... and now. And so do we!
  49. colotun
    colotun 22 December 2017 16: 06 New
    +2
    IVANUSHKI INTERNATIONAL into Russian is translated as IVANUS BORROW.
    Where went to bed - and there is homeland.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 22 December 2017 22: 10 New
      0
      Allow me to insert one remark ..... sleep is not necessary.
      Even harmful.
      You can stay without money. Heroically snoring something ....
      .
      It’s just - LEGLED .... sucked there, let's say. Or pumped out ...
  50. VladGashek
    VladGashek 22 December 2017 16: 44 New
    +1
    The presence of athletes from the Russian Federation at Olympic Games 18 is their personal choice. And we should not care where they live in prison, kennel or pigsty. This is their personal choice. At the games, they defend themselves, and not the honor of their homeland. If they are cosmopolitan, then Nehai live like Diogenes in a dry barrel and eat raw octopus for breakfast.