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Bulgaria has suspended a deal with Russia on the "MiGs" because of Ukraine

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Bulgaria has temporarily suspended a deal worth 81,3 million leva ($ 49,3 million) with the Russian MiG aircraft building corporation about repairing its jet fighters in connection with a complaint filed by the Ukrainian state-owned company Ukrinmash, Bulgarian Defense Minister Krasimir Karakachanov said on Wednesday.


Bulgaria has suspended a deal with Russia on the "MiGs" because of Ukraine


The decision to suspend the deal was taken just a week after Bulgaria offered the Russian company to modernize outdated MiG fighters and was going to conclude an agreement with it for four years, Karakachanov told reporters.

Bulgaria considers RSK MiG as the only company capable of performing the necessary work and did not invite other companies to participate in the transaction.

The Ukrainian company filed a complaint with the Commission for Protection of Competition in order to challenge the procedure in which the Ministry of Defense prepared for negotiations and was going to sign an agreement
- quotes Karakachanov Reuters.

Recall that December 11 reported that the Bulgarian authorities asked the Russian MiG Aircraft Corporation to overhaul and service the 15 MiG-29 fighters.
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  1. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 20 December 2017 18: 09
    51
    From the Bulgarian sovereignty, even the scraps are not left; they cannot solve a simple question on their own.
    1. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 20 December 2017 18: 11
      19
      Quote: Michael m
      From the Bulgarian sovereignty, even the scraps are not left; they cannot solve a simple question on their own.

      Soon they will go to the toilet with sanctions from Brussels.
      What they are pleased to wish.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 20 December 2017 18: 14
        14
        Do not read carefully, gentlemen:

        Quote: Michael m
        From the Bulgarian sovereignty, even the scraps are not left; they cannot solve a simple question on their own.


        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
        Quote: Michael m
        From the Bulgarian sovereignty, even the scraps are not left; they cannot solve a simple question on their own.

        Soon they will go to the toilet with sanctions from Brussels.


        here we are talking about something else


        Complaint to the Commission on protection of competition filed by a Ukrainian company to challenge the procedure in which the Ministry of Defense prepared for negotiations and was about to sign an agreement


        The Ukrainian company believes that the competition laws have been violated, since a competition for the execution of work has not been announced, and they, like, also know how to do this with MIGs.

        Another thing is surprising: is it really possible in such serious things that the customer cannot choose who to contract for work?
        1. Prjanik
          Prjanik 20 December 2017 18: 26
          15
          Hmm, and who better to cope with the task of repairing and upgrading MiGs, Ukrinmash or RSK MiGs ... I don’t even know what Competition is generally what.
          1. pytar
            pytar 20 December 2017 19: 13
            12
            The website of the Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria has a case report.
            https://www.md.government.bg/bg/
            Lore from him:"Yesterday, 19 dekemvri, a Ukrainian-born Ukrainian company Ukroboronprom from the Ukrainmash holding made a complaint to the KPC, I’ll cross decision No.129 on the Ministry for the withdrawal of 6 dekemvri .... for support for the flight of MiG-29 aircraft. As a result. ... and the bloc’s procedure for practicing all the prejudice to the slaughterhouse is not aircraft ... "
            "Yesterday, on December 19, the Ukrainian state-owned company Ukroboronprom from the Ukrainmash holding filed a complaint with KPC against the decision No.129 of the Ministry to be withdrawn from December 6 ... on support for MiG-29 combat aircraft. As a result, the complaint .... and blockages procedure, almost interrupted by the support of our military aviation .. "
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              1. ZVO
                ZVO 20 December 2017 19: 43
                11
                Quote: kapitan92
                Adieu, "Colonel" !!!


                Do not be silly.
                there are competition laws.
                which prescribe the mandatory presence of a certain procedure for the selection of a service provider according to the required terms of reference.
                And all are required to perform the entire step-by-step mechanism of the procedure.
                For this is the law!
                Everyone is required to comply with the law.

                We have exactly the same laws.
                Public procurement laws
                1. Conductor
                  Conductor 20 December 2017 20: 00
                  +6
                  Are you an expert on Bulgarian law?
                2. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 20 December 2017 20: 01
                  14
                  Quote: ZVO
                  Do not be silly.
                  there are competition laws.

                  They are out of place here. You bought a "Bentley", and repair it in the service of the "Armenians" with "original" spare parts. In the event of an accident, any company representative will tell you who you are after that. First they turn to the manufacturer of the company, in case of failure or other problems, they look for other options. Here is the policy of pure water!
                  Quote: ZVO
                  For this is the law!
                  Everyone is required to comply with the law.
                  We have exactly the same laws.
                  Public procurement laws

                  To this I have already answered. (Above) hi
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 20 December 2017 20: 30
                    10
                    They are out of place here. You bought a "Bentley", and repair it in the service of the "Armenians" with "original" spare parts. In an accident

                    In vain argue. Leave it to the lawyers. And in a specific case - to Bulgarian lawyers. bully
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                      2. rumpeljschtizhen
                        rumpeljschtizhen 20 December 2017 21: 31
                        +3
                        They all answered you chewed ...
                        And your answer, teach soup how to cook ..... well, well (the level of development is indicative), in fact, the cant of our Bulgarians and Moscow Oblast could not correctly execute a simple transaction. Accustomed to the ball
                    2. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 20 December 2017 21: 11
                      +2
                      Quote: ZVO
                      And for all of them they want it 1,5 million rubles.
                      Will you pay 8 million ????

                      What a blatant lie !!! The question is not to make Ukraine cheaper! In addition, in the end, you decide, not the “Armenian from Barnaul.”
                      1. ZVO
                        ZVO 20 December 2017 21: 28
                        +5
                        Quote: KaPToC
                        Quote: ZVO
                        And for all of them they want it 1,5 million rubles.
                        Will you pay 8 million ????

                        What a blatant lie !!! The question is not to make Ukraine cheaper! In addition, in the end, you decide, not the “Armenian from Barnaul.”


                        Another one who does not want to understand about the laws ...
                        There is an antitrust procedure ...
                        Anyone can complain to the antitrust service.
                        even aliens.

                        in fact
                        There is a technical task from the customer.
                        If there is a guaranteed fulfillment of the terms of reference by several participants, then always and everywhere - under antitrust law - the offer with the lowest price is selected.
                        Everywhere and always !!!
                        Both with us and with them.
                    3. Botanologist
                      Botanologist 20 December 2017 21: 24
                      0
                      Quote: ZVO
                      Buying a contract engine with a mileage of 3 thousands of kilometers from England from a Bentley deducted from the “total” (changeling). like you, but already in Barnaul.


                      Well, yes, you are rushing to buy an engine from a shifter, you are satisfied with yourself, but after 10 kilometers you understand that when you turn over, the gaskets move a little, the valves are out of sync, the underframe twitches a little and the crankshaft turns a little. And you .... ask the Armenians to return the money lol And they, of course, return the money, and even pay you a forfeit wassat
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                  1. ZVO
                    ZVO 20 December 2017 20: 51
                    +7
                    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                    Quote: ZVO
                    Quote: kapitan92
                    Adieu, "Colonel" !!!


                    Do not be silly.
                    there are competition laws.
                    which prescribe the mandatory presence of a certain procedure for the selection of a service provider according to the required terms of reference.
                    And all are required to perform the entire step-by-step mechanism of the procedure.
                    For this is the law!
                    Everyone is required to comply with the law.

                    We have exactly the same laws.
                    Public procurement laws

                    You have not mixed up the coast? Bulgarians should take into account Wishlist Ukrainians. The laws of Bulgaria and the defense industry of ukrozhopiya.


                    Turn on your head again.
                    There is a procedure.
                    Which are required to comply with the law.
                    The law makes no difference Ukraine is. or Poland or Lesotho or America or Israel or Russia.
                    The procedure must be performed perfectly.
                    That there would be no hint of a corruption component.

                    And yes, if you read inattentively!
                    You just need to learn how to perceive the written text correctly!

                    "The deal has been suspended."
                    It has not been canceled.
                    she was not transferred to the Ukrainians.
                    She was suspended until the end of the complaint proceedings.
                    You understand. what is written?

                    Judging by your obstinacy, you have not even read the constitution ...
                    1. bulvas
                      bulvas 20 December 2017 21: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: ZVO
                      Judging by your obstinacy, you have not even read the constitution ...


                      Who needs to understand everything for a long time, remained extremely stubborn

                      One thing calms - most likely, stubborn screamers were not allowed to take anything serious, otherwise it would be sad ...
                4. asiat_61
                  asiat_61 21 December 2017 06: 48
                  +1
                  ZVO ..... We are building a nuclear power plant. at the competition of Rosatom and the Ministry of Agriculture? Well, isn't it funny?
                  1. ZVO
                    ZVO 21 December 2017 07: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: asiat_61
                    ZVO ..... We are building a nuclear power plant. at the competition of Rosatom and the Ministry of Agriculture? Well, isn't it funny?


                    come on first.
                    Who are you?
                    Customer or contractor?
                    1. bulvas
                      bulvas 21 December 2017 08: 06
                      0
                      Quote: asiat_61
                      ZVO ..... We are building a nuclear power plant. at the competition of Rosatom and the Ministry of Agriculture? Well, isn't it funny?


                      If you try, you can come up with funnier
                5. ioan-e
                  ioan-e 21 December 2017 10: 53
                  +1
                  Yeah, it would be funny if it weren’t so sad! We cry which "firms" we win contests for those. FOCL service and how they then "service" them!
                6. Mikhail m
                  Mikhail m 21 December 2017 11: 10
                  0
                  Quote: ZVO
                  there are competition laws.

                  That's it. Whose laws are they? If the state is obliged to obey external law, then what is its statehood expressed in? Vassalism has revived in a new form.
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 21 December 2017 18: 05
                    +2
                    Quote: Mikhail M
                    If the state is obliged to obey external law, then what is its statehood expressed in?

                    it is obliged, because it itself went for it, since it has not only some limitations, but also benefits. Russia also has various kinds of contractual obligations with the EU (for example, the WTO) and what is the loss of sovereignty? Do not talk nonsense ...
                    1. Mikhail m
                      Mikhail m 22 December 2017 07: 54
                      0
                      What about the benefits can be more?
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 22 December 2017 10: 20
                        +1
                        What about the benefits can be more?

                        Membership in the EU, in addition to some advantages for citizens, gives Bulgaria stable average annual growth in the economy of 3,2-3,8%. The GDP of 5 has been growing for years in a row, and in 2017 it reached the record for the whole history of Bulgaria 50 billion euros and the economy grew at 4,2%! In 2018, predict 52 billion. Exports are growing from 14-16% per year. Foreign exchange reserves reached 23,5 billion euros, with the provision that Bulgaria withdrew from the era of social bankruptcy / in the 90s declared a moratorium on payments of external debts /. For comparisons in the same 90, the treasury had foreign exchange reserves of 300 million dollars, but it was necessary to pay 1 billion dollars before the end of that year. on loans. Now in terms of debt to GDP ratio, Bulgaria is in the top three with the best indicators in the EU! VD: GDP of only 18%! Before 15 years, salaries in Bulgaria were 20 times smaller than in Germany. Now they are 5 times smaller, while prices in Bulgaria are lower than in Germany. Bulgaria is on the 2 place in the EU in terms of salary growth. Being a small country in terms of size and population, Bulgaria 2007-17 received subsidies from the EU in the amount of 13 billion euros! Until 2020, it will receive another 3 billion euros. Almost all sectors of the economy are developing successfully, including due to the synchronization of legislation with the EU. So every entrepreneur knows that the rules are the same. The EU is very important for Bulgaria and as a concept on solving interstate problems! For centuries, the Balkans argued and fought abroad! Now between the EU members Greece, Bulgaria and Romania there is no border as such. There is no border, there is nothing to fight about! People freely visit neighboring countries and the relationship between these peoples at the household level has changed for the better. No one can already imagine that the three countries will fight among themselves! Therefore, despite some negatives from membership, people appreciate the advantages! They are much more than negatives! According to opinion polls of the majority, Bulgarians positively assess their country's EU membership. For leaving the EU, a percentage of respondents are declared insignificant.
                      2. verner1967
                        verner1967 22 December 2017 18: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Mikhail M
                        What about the benefits can be more?

                        Quote: pytar
                        Bulgaria has stable average annual growth in the economy of 3,2-3,8%. GDP has been growing for 5 years in a row and in 2017 reached a record for the entire history of Bulgaria 50 billion euros and an economy growth of 4,2%! In 2018, 52 billion euros are forecasted!

                        and further in the text good this is not our propaganda hawking on kisselTV
              2. pytar
                pytar 20 December 2017 19: 45
                +9
                kapitan92 Thank you for following my comments! good But you read them like that ... wrong. Bulgaria is a member of the EU and voluntarily accepted to fulfill its duties under EU laws. This implies certain restrictions on freedom of decision. As far as I am aware of the restrictions, there is also a union in the Customs. But you do not call the members of the TS "Vasal" after all !? As for the EU, each including and from non-member countries can make complaints without problems! This is a RIGHT, not a RESTRICTION! hi By the way, it is not a fact that Ukraine will submit something to European institutions. This was a private opinion.
                I read info about accidents from the Polish MiG. I also know about accidents from Russian aircraft. Unfortunately such things happen! Determining who is to blame is the task of investigation and justice. After all, in the Russian Federation, right? Or not...?! wink
                1. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 20 December 2017 19: 55
                  +7
                  Quote: pytar
                  This implies certain restrictions on freedom of decision.

                  Let me remind you of a Russian proverb; - "You can’t poop, don’t torture the ass" !!! It’s hard to sit on two chairs, and I want to and is pricking! hi
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 20 December 2017 20: 34
                    +6
                    Let me remind you of a Russian proverb; - "You can’t poop, don’t torture the ass" !!! It’s hard to sit on two chairs, and I want to and is pricking!

                    I see that you are well versed in topics about priests and their functions ... lol And as for the chairs, it is! Only UTB has nothing to do with the topic! hi
                    1. Mestny
                      Mestny 21 December 2017 00: 21
                      -1
                      Sorry, the question is off topic - does the letter "E" on your keyboard not work?
                      1. Hammerlock
                        Hammerlock 21 December 2017 04: 10
                        +7
                        but take and write in Bulgarian without errors, and we will laugh laughing
                2. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 20 December 2017 20: 04
                  +9
                  Quote: pytar
                  As far as I am aware of the restrictions, there is also a union in the Customs. But you do not call the members of the TS "Vasal" after all !? As for the EU, each including and from non-member countries can make complaints without problems!

                  Turkey is a member of NATO !!! I decided to buy air defense systems with 400. !!!
                  There is a leader there. Once again, Bulgaria does not know where to meet, so as not to lose.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 20 December 2017 20: 40
                    +2
                    Turkey is a member of NATO !!! I decided to buy air defense systems with 400. !!!

                    Accepted, so accepted! What is the problem? In Turkey, it is not law that decides, but Sultan Erdogan! Leader, as you say! There are such countries where different varieties of Kima rule alone!
                    And with us everything is different ... We do not recognize any leaders and affluences! We had such half a century! Enough! stop Bulgaria Parliamentary Republic!
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                      2. pytar
                        pytar 20 December 2017 21: 57
                        +5
                        These sultates have had you for centuries!

                        And you too. 300 years.
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                    3. Astoria
                      Astoria 20 December 2017 21: 16
                      +3
                      Bulgaria Parliamentary Republic!
                      laughing That is, the Law stopped the South Stream - This is Nonsense, you have no policy, except for the one: who feeds us - he dances.
                      1. Vlad.by
                        Vlad.by 20 December 2017 22: 07
                        0
                        Yes, honest, law-abiding Bulgaria does not have its own money for repairs. Money will ask, demand, beg from NATs. This is what the necessary people reminded her of. But, all mediators are already full of Bulgarians. In addition, Ukrainians have just been disgraced with either Serbian or Croatian aircraft. Bulgarians have no choice. In any case, they will come to MiG. Follow the procedure and send Ukrainians. Just the straws had to be laid earlier. By the way, in our public procurement there is an opportunity to proceed to the procurement procedure from one source.
                    4. loginovich
                      loginovich 20 December 2017 23: 01
                      0
                      Quote: pytar
                      And with us everything is different ... We do not recognize any leaders and affluences! We had such half a century! Enough! Bulgaria Parliamentary Republic!

                      Is this really an excuse not to repair military equipment?
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 22 December 2017 11: 05
                        0
                        Is this really an excuse not to repair military equipment?

                        And who said that they would not repair it? bully
                    5. Topotun
                      Topotun 21 December 2017 10: 27
                      +1
                      You are strange, referring to the laws - while completely not considering that the manufacturer is even more expensive, but the repair will be better. Than a company that is not a manufacturer of equipment. Of course, "Bentley" can be repaired in the studio of Uncle Vasya (probably). But the quality and warranty periods of the vehicle are unlikely to be ensured. And aviation does not like to take it at random .... However, this is your choice. What for me - it would be better if our manufacturers first of all put their army on its feet.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 22 December 2017 15: 16
                        0
                        You are strange, referring to the laws - while completely not considering that the manufacturer is even more expensive, but the repair will be better.

                        It is on the laws that one must refer when choosing a solution! You obviously didn’t understand that MO is just because of quality considerations, chose the manufacturer RSK MiG!
                        What for me - it would be better if our manufacturers first of all put their army on its feet.

                        Of course it is! Taking foreign orders bringing currency does not in any way conflict with the interests of Russian manufacturers.
                  2. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 20 December 2017 20: 54
                    +7
                    Vyacheslav hi Boyan Ivanov pytar The site adheres to a policy of friendship with Russia. He even sets up compatriots to do this. Why would he put sticks in wheels? Before you rush into the battle, conduct reconnaissance, read the comments of the opponent.
                    Adieu, "Colonel" !!!

                    Colonel, oddly enough, I assigned him and you. A "friendly fire" did not expect.
                    1. kapitan92
                      kapitan92 20 December 2017 21: 17
                      +6
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      Vyacheslav Boyan Ivanov pytar on the site adheres to the policy of friendship with Russia. He even sets up compatriots to do this. Why would he put sticks in wheels? Before you rush into the battle, conduct reconnaissance, read the comments of the opponent.

                      But who inserts them to him. Is it sticks? I often visit my friends in Bulgaria, I know the internal situation, I wanted to open a business with partners, but the sanctions failed. I love and respect ordinary people, I write sincerely!
                      I read his comments, carried out reconnaissance, as was taught at the time, but actually I have no complaints against him personally, he just “harnessed” for his corrupt “Borisovs”, and fell under the “arm”.
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      Colonel, oddly enough, I assigned him and you. A "friendly fire" did not expect.

                      Thank you very much! I beat you drinks Without a joke, do not be offended.
                      Once, before the “perestroika”, I was a general-major. There is no "friendly fire", there is an exchange of opinions, maybe this happens too emotionally. I can’t forget the attitude of the AUTHORITIES of BULGARIA to our monuments, AND THE REST THE EVERYTHING EVERYTHING.
                      With respect! hi
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 20 December 2017 21: 29
                        +4
                        the major general was

                        Be sure to recover, I'm even sure of that. I ask only one thing, do not direct emotions to a good person. There are already many goals for
                        the wrath of the righteous. wink drinks
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 20 December 2017 22: 16
                        +5
                        I often visit my friends in Bulgaria, I know the internal situation ...
                        Why are you lying? A few lines down:
                        I can’t forget the attitude of the BULGARIAN AUTHORITIES towards our monuments,

                        If you were in Bulgaria, could you not have noticed how beautiful all the Russian / Soviet monuments are in! They are everywhere! You obviously do not know that in Bulgaria there is somewhere 530 monument in honor of Russia and the Red Army. All Bulgaria fits into a rectangular with the dimensions of 400x500 km! Bulgaria is the World Recorder for concentration of r / s monuments! In recent years, we have built 10-12 new ones. Streets, squares, localities, parks and so on, which bear names associated with Russia, are not countable. Where else in the world is this? Well, some of the authorities may not like it, but it is in the minority. And the fact that some marginals at night painted several of them / Soviet !!! nobody ever touched russian /, doesn’t mean anything! It in Russia at that time destroyed hundreds of monuments! I also often visit Russia!
                        Here you are lying! How can I relate to the person whom I'm lying ??? No.
                      3. Lexus
                        Lexus 21 December 2017 01: 17
                        0
                        That's exactly what, apparently, harnessed. Without reason, acknowledgment of management errors. I decided to take it in a snap. Here everyone wants relations between countries to improve. INDEPENDENT from market conditions and corrupt politicians. But while this is hard to believe. Facts are facts.
                3. verner1967
                  verner1967 20 December 2017 20: 43
                  +2
                  Quote: pytar
                  Thank you for following my comments! But you read them like that ...

                  take care of the beads (from the Russian proverb), these people after mentioning the word "Ukraine" do not see anything and do not want to know anything. They live by concepts and want everyone to live like that.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 20 December 2017 22: 19
                    +3
                    take care of the beads ..., these people after mentioning the word "Ukraine" do not see anything and do not want to know anything. They live by concepts and want everyone to live like that.

                    I understand that Russian sensible sensitivity when it comes to Ukraine! In Bulgaria, this happens when it comes to Macedonia! I hope that from time to time everything will settle down and come to their esthetic places. hi
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 20 December 2017 23: 57
                      +5
                      Boyan, I welcome you hi You said the right words.
                      I hope that from time to time everything will settle down and come to their esthetic places.
                      In Russia, it sounds like this - everything will return to square one.
                      I have been reading your comments for a long time and I like your attitude to both my Homeland and Russia. From me personally - thank you. I hope to see you on the site in the general rank. good drinks
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 21 December 2017 00: 07
                        +3
                        Thank you and Svarog! And the saying is true! good
                        Well, as for the rank, I have not been worried about any rank for a long time. I consider it much more important to bring to as many people as possible the view of the picture from a different angle. Now there is so much misinformation on the Internet that for a more objective perception of reality, communication between people comes first. For Russia! drinks For Bulgaria! drinks For our friendship! drinks
                    2. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 21 December 2017 00: 28
                      +5
                      Boyan, you are certainly right. Both with us and with you - all people are different. A whole generation has grown up, not knowing the near past alive. Hasty conclusions are made without recognizing the interlocutor and without delving into his words. It’s bitter to see it.
                      For Russia! drinks For Bulgaria! drinks For our Friendship! drinks

                      I fully support and join. drinks drinks drinks
                      I also like the statements of your compatriot Vasco with the nickname Gado, he is there, a little lower in the discussion thread. I will be glad to see you both on the site in good health. I will try to provide support as far as possible.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 21 December 2017 12: 05
                        +3
                        Thank you Svarog! By the way, you have a nickname! good Names of the Supreme God of the Eastern Slavs! Theonym of this word is linguists associated with semantic meaning - arguing, punishing!
                    3. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 21 December 2017 14: 43
                      +4
                      Boyan hi It may, of course, and so in transcription, but I personally enter into a dispute extremely rarely. Only moderators can punish the site, and I most likely prevent the swaras - unnecessary, pointless disputes. I like this explanation more. By the way, there is another Svarog on the site, only without numbers in the nickname, we are different participants. drinks
            2. pytar
              pytar 20 December 2017 22: 57
              +3
              Yes! Here is the statement of the Bulgarian Minister of Defense of Krasimir Karakachavnov - on 2: 03 minute he directly declares that the Ukrainian company made an attempt to Sabotage against the decision of the Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria to repair MiG-ah directly from RSK MiG !!!
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 20 December 2017 18: 34
          +8
          This is not even the point.
          RSK "MiG" has all the best practices for performing the ordered work and can fulfill them efficiently and on time.
          Ukrainians can paint planes with inexpensive paint. But they won’t be able to do it on time (there were precedents).
          Attention, the question is: why the X to create a competition inviting Ukrainians, if Ukrainians do not know what to do with these aircraft?
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 20 December 2017 19: 18
            +4
            Quote: Simargl
            Attention, the question is: why the X to create a competition inviting Ukrainians, if Ukrainians do not know what to do with these aircraft?

            drank money together ... and then still watch how the plane crashes after the "repair" !!! wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
          2. SOF
            SOF 20 December 2017 20: 04
            +2
            Yes, elementary.
            I’m not familiar with EU laws, but how to drink, there is a kind of regulation on tenders.
            Bulgaria, obeying it, is obliged to announce an auction for the provision of services. Therefore, suspended, not canceled. Well, the Ukrains will come forward, well, they’ll try. Everything will end on spare parts.
          3. Gado
            Gado 20 December 2017 23: 36
            +4
            And you didn’t understand anything? Everything has already been explained above, no one has invited Ukrainians anywhere, most likely the Ukrainian company has its own representative office in Bulgaria, which filed this complaint, probably wanted MIG to fix the problem. Politics, be it wrong. But I’m sure that tomorrow everything will be all right. Good luck!
          4. verner1967
            verner1967 21 December 2017 18: 11
            +1
            Quote: Simargl
            Attention, the question is: why the X to create a competition inviting Ukrainians, if Ukrainians do not know what to do with these aircraft?

            the competition is open, according to the rules of the European Union, who wants it and participates, even though the Papuans, the question is who the customer will choose. And, by the way, the customer did not refuse the services of Russia, but only froze the term of the transaction to consider the proposal from Ukraine, which I have no clue about. It seems that it’s not on a serious site, but on some kind of market.
        3. just exp
          just exp 20 December 2017 18: 42
          +8
          after the scandal with the Croatian MIGs, kakly should sniff into 2 holes and be silent, because the Bulgarians with a simple reminder of this fact can delete kaklov from the list of potential executors of the order.
          Poles, Czechs, even Japanese and Indonesians can be bullish about this, but not at all.
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 20 December 2017 19: 13
            +5
            Quote: Prjanik
            Hmm, and who better to cope with the task of repairing and upgrading MiGs, Ukrinmash or RSK MiGs ... I don’t even know


            Quote: just explo
            RSK "MiG" has all the best practices for fulfilling the ordered work and can fulfill them efficiently and on time. Ukrainians can paint airplanes with inexpensive paint. ...


            Quote: just explo
            after the scandal with the Croatian MIGs, kakly should sniff into 2 holes and be silent ...


            I agree with everyone, but here is the gentleman from Bulgaria, he explains everything about the situation with the law.

            It seems to me that there is no talk of politics so far. When the Bulgarian customer begins to make convincing arguments in favor of MIG, then politics will appear
            1. just exp
              just exp 20 December 2017 20: 36
              +1
              I read about the laws in the article, but in the laws there is nothing where the work with unscrupulous performers such as kakly would be approved.
        4. pytar
          pytar 20 December 2017 18: 42
          +9
          Do not read carefully, gentlemen:

          Some simply do not like to read, but for that they always have the "right" opinion ... lol
          bulvasYou are right in your notes that it is a question of normal legal practice. The law of the same applies to the consumer’s complaint about any product, no matter what its value or type.
          Another thing is surprising: is it really possible in such serious things that the customer cannot choose who to contract for work?

          The customer has the full right, according to the Law on Public Orders and several special laws, to choose a contractor. Therefore, UkrOboronProm / filed a complaint on behalf of ego / uses another loophole, namely it requires a check with the Consumer Protection Commission, which is not directly related to such orders, but has the right to check whether there are infringements of consumer rights due to unfair competition or due to violation of some other law. At the same time, a legal / natural person who is not a consumer of this service or product can also file a complaint.
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 20 December 2017 19: 45
            +4
            Quote: pytar
            Do not read carefully, gentlemen:

            Some simply do not like to read, but for that they always have the "right" opinion ... lol
            bulvasYou are right in your notes that it is a question of normal legal practice. The law of the same applies to the consumer’s complaint about any product, no matter what its value or type.
            Another thing is surprising: is it really possible in such serious things that the customer cannot choose who to contract for work?

            The customer has the full right, according to the Law on Public Orders and several special laws, to choose a contractor. Therefore, UkrOboronProm / filed a complaint on behalf of ego / uses another loophole, namely it requires a check with the Consumer Protection Commission, which is not directly related to such orders, but has the right to check whether there are infringements of consumer rights due to unfair competition or due to violation of some other law. At the same time, a legal / natural person who is not a consumer of this service or product can also file a complaint.


            Well done. you explained everything.
            Some people do not understand. that there are letters of laws. to be performed ...
            These are stupid people.
            1. pytar
              pytar 20 December 2017 20: 51
              +1
              Some people do not understand. that there are letters of laws. to be performed ...
              It and the ruling people do not really like that there are laws, but they obey them. Sometimes they try to somehow twist the laws under themselves, but in the Bulgarian Parliament the opposition is always strong. No party can dominate so well that it does what it wants! And not one of the politicians is eternal ... Those who go too far will fly out! Elections for every 4 years! More precisely, they alternate between parliament and president at 2 of the year. wink The Bulgarian people are so wise that they will never give "all power to the soviets"! hi
        5. Serg koma
          Serg koma 20 December 2017 18: 43
          +2
          Quote: bulvas
          Another thing is surprising: is it really possible in such serious things that the customer cannot choose who to contract for work?

          filed by a Ukrainian companyto challenge the procedure under which the ministry of defense was preparing for negotiations and was about to sign an agreement
          Surely the "Ukrainian company" is Roshen’s division, and there they will choke on saliva if the bucks pass by. They will make the Hammer from the MIGs, they will say that: “so i bulo”; "so i treba" wink That's interesting, their "AviREMzavod / Factory" (maybe OBATO AP ??? belay ) Has an international license?
        6. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 20 December 2017 19: 16
          +1
          Quote: bulvas
          The Ukrainian enterprise believes that the competition laws have been violated, since a competition for the execution of work has not been announced, and they, like, also know how to do this with MIGs

          and where in the article it is said about the repair of Ukrainians instantly ??? recourse recourse wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
        7. sabakina
          sabakina 20 December 2017 19: 35
          +5
          I don’t understand at all, where does Ukraine have to do with it? MiG is a Russian corporation, Russian planes, what do they have to do with it?
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 20 December 2017 19: 48
            +4
            Quote: sabakina
            I don’t understand at all, where does Ukraine have to do with it? MiG is a Russian corporation, Russian planes, what do they have to do with it?

            nothing to do with !! but some manage to find this ad !!! wassat wassat lol lol lol
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 20 December 2017 19: 58
              +4
              Nikolay, I’m embarrassed to ask, but what is written in that “announcement”?
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 20 December 2017 21: 31
                +2
                Quote: sabakina
                Nikolay, I’m embarrassed to ask, but what is written in that “announcement”?

                laughing laughing laughing I meant the explanation !!! repeat repeat lol lol lol
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas 20 December 2017 22: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: sabakina
                  I don’t understand at all, where does Ukraine have to do with it? MiG is a Russian corporation, Russian planes, what do they have to do with it?


                  You know those ... who challenged the decision of the Bulgarian Defense Ministry
                  They are always with, and now also from each barrel a stopper.
                  How can such an occasion of Russia be shod in slippers, albeit a little so,
                  but in European - through the court ....
          2. pytar
            pytar 20 December 2017 21: 01
            +4
            I don’t understand at all, where does Ukraine have to do with it? MiG is a Russian corporation, Russian planes, what do they have to do with it?

            I am also surprised! And from the message of the press center of the Bulgarian Defense Ministry it is clear that there are also surprised! There is no rational sense in the actions of Ukroboronprom! Yes ... they will slow down the procedure ... But after all, through 3-4 months of the contract with MiG RSK will be signed anyway! The Russian company will lose little from such a slowdown. But for the Bulgarian Air Force, the problem with the operation of aircraft will deepen! The solution to this problem will be removed for another six months, which is already critical for the Bulgarian Air Force!
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 20 December 2017 21: 35
              +2
              Quote: pytar
              I am also surprised!

              do not be surprised !!! I told you that you have no sovereignty !! yes tongue laughing laughing
              Quote: pytar
              And from the message of the press center of the Bulgarian Defense Ministry it is clear that there are also surprised!


              and this is another confirmation of the lack of independence !! wink wink some worthless hohlyatsky company is able to stifle the issue of national importance ... moreover, your warriors are not even aware of this !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
        8. S.V.YU
          S.V.YU 20 December 2017 20: 27
          +2
          The customer cannot choose, since, together with Ukraine, they go under one ,, master ,,!
        9. Alex777
          Alex777 20 December 2017 20: 57
          +2
          Right now, Ukrainians still quarrel with the Bulgarians, getting underfoot.
          Bulgarian President knows perfectly where to repair MIGs.
          EMNIP because of this, at one time, resigned from the post of head of the Air Force. hi
          1. pytar
            pytar 20 December 2017 22: 24
            +3
            Bulgarian President Gen. Rumen Radev is a former aviation commander. Shows aerobatics on the MiG-29 at the air show in Sofia. good
        10. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 20 December 2017 21: 04
          +3
          Quote: bulvas
          The Ukrainian company believes that the competition laws have been violated, since a competition for the execution of work has not been announced, and they, like, also know how to do this with MIGs. Another thing is surprising: is it really possible in such serious things that the customer cannot choose who to contract for work?
          Yeah. They can))) Let the Bulgarians ask the Croats (if I’m not mistaken) how the MIGs, the Ukrists, restored them, after which almost five can take off from a dozen cars, and even those without a guarantee will return to normal operation. Most likely you are right, the Bulgarians suspended the contract to comply with the competition procedure, at which Russia will again be selected.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 21 December 2017 11: 22
            +1
            Poles were doing repairs. hi
        11. Berkut-UA
          Berkut-UA 20 December 2017 22: 24
          +1
          And everyone remembers HOW the dill aircraft industry has carried out the “modernization” of the Croatian Mig-21.
          All the cars were in such a condition that the Croatian mechanics were in a stupor from what they saw.
          The one that calls itself Ukraine has not died yet ...?
      2. dani
        dani 20 December 2017 21: 37
        +3
        Again about the Bulgarian MIG-29, and again the same evil spite of the Bulgarianophophobia!
        What nonsense, what limitless firethorn, what an overwhelming malice!
        No drops of reason, no skolnibud of knowledge!
        And UTB representatives, the Great Russian People, RUSSIA.
        Do these people of mine hope for an alternative to the GEOPOLITICAL HEGEMON?
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 20 December 2017 21: 59
          +3
          Quote: dani
          Again about the Bulgarian MIG-29, and again the same evil spite of the Bulgarianophophobia!
          What nonsense, what limitless firethorn, what an overwhelming malice!
          No drops of reason, no skolnibud of knowledge!
          And UTB representatives, the Great Russian People, RUSSIA.
          Do these people of mine hope for an alternative to the GEOPOLITICAL HEGEMON?


          Do not count. that everyone is like that.
          such a frenzied jackal - from that. what is the problem.
          In all his troubles - blame anyone, but not himself.
          That's why anger.
          Beggars are not just about money. but also in spirit.
          There are not many of them. but alas. they find places for their concentration there. where is this encouraged.
          Like this resource.
          The resource, which should be meaningful for discussing military-technical news, has turned into a bunch of "rabid and vicious lawless people", Nazis, incendiaries of religious, racial hatred, etc.
          There are a couple dozen people. who are really interested in technology and discuss exactly the technical side.
          And hundreds. if not thousands just sick with rabies ...
        2. Alex007
          Alex007 20 December 2017 22: 14
          +3
          dani do not be offended and try to understand us too (thrown by almost all allies and with special cynicism to their own "servants of the people") how respected pytar does this with incredible patience. And do not pay attention to comments in which emotions dominate or completely turn off the thought process. to blame the Bulgarians for betrayal, let them remember about its geographical position and the number of population. We have to balance one ass on three chairs))))))) And about the betrayal, I would remind of our faithful allies Cubans who are difficult to accuse of participating in the second and first world against us)))) Who served with them in the south will confirm that they did not spare their blood and didn’t hide behind Vankin. Are these critics personally ready to take responsibility for openly leaving them not only without financial but also without political support? And references to the forgiveness of USSR debts are inappropriate (if they had gotten money and didn’t frown), I'm sorry for the chaotic rebuke - it boiled up even after yesterday's discussion of gas issues. Well, pytar thanks again for patiently grumbling some common truths))))
    2. Thrall
      Thrall 20 December 2017 18: 11
      +8
      Now let the "bros" buy the wheel from F-35 for this money smile
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 20 December 2017 18: 13
        +2
        Quote: Thrall
        Now let the "bros" buy the wheel from F-35 for this money

        And imagine two wheels is enough, joy will be ............
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 20 December 2017 18: 15
          +5
          Yeah, you can make a cart to take national pride to a landfill. smile
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 20 December 2017 18: 37
          +2
          Why two wheels ?!
          This is the F-22 as the Crimean bridge stands, and the F-35 - as an upgrade of the 15 MiG-29.
          You can still buy a model: www.amarket-model.ru/f-35a-lightning-ii-samolet-i
          strebitel-5-pokoleniya-132-sbornaya-model /
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        2. 79807420129
          79807420129 20 December 2017 18: 32
          +8
          Bulgaria temporarily suspended a deal worth 81,3 million leva ($ 49,3 million) with the MiG Russian Aircraft Corporation to repair its jet fighters in connection with a complaint filed by the Ukrainian state-owned company Ukrinmash,

          So let the crests modernize fellow Just let the Bulgarians ask how the epic ended with the repair and modernization of the MiG-21 of the Croatian Air Force, out of 12 cars, four remained fit. laughing Go ahead bros. laughing
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    3. forester
      forester 20 December 2017 18: 25
      +2
      Yes, a flag in hand, a violin in the armpit, a drum on the neck, a full pocket of nails and a propeller in the back. Although it is not clear to me how sideways the banderlogs are, they are not a NATO member? Apparently, they called from behind a puddle, after giving a command to dill.
    4. pytar
      pytar 20 December 2017 18: 26
      +9
      The law is the law! The Consumer Protection Commission has the prerogative to control compliance with laws on loyal competition, which protects consumers. To some, all this may seem too bureaucratic, since the system really slows down decision-making, but on the other hand, its presence makes it possible to reduce the risk of corruption and abuse. The complaint of Uroboronprom is unlikely to have a different effect, although it is not out of the blue, that Ukraine has filed other complaints to the EU about violations of the arms embargo for the Russian Federation by Bulgaria.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 20 December 2017 18: 39
        +4
        No one forbade Russia to sell weapons.
        Bulgaria to buy it - too.
        What an embargo?
        1. pytar
          pytar 20 December 2017 19: 05
          +5
          No one forbade Russia to sell weapons. Bulgaria to buy it - too. What embargo?

          No embargo! My mistake! I apologize! repeat Most likely, this refers to sanctions that impose restrictions on the military business with the Russian Federation.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 20 December 2017 19: 46
            +4
            Boyan Ivanov, as I understand it, you cannot sell dual-use technologies to us, but nothing prevents you from buying you. Here Ukraine has banned the sale. EC- I do not recall.
            1. pytar
              pytar 20 December 2017 20: 08
              +6
              Yes. You are right. My mistake. I repent ... repeat According to the MO, the Ukrainian complaint is unfounded and its purpose will slow down the procedure. The fact is that at the end of the year (before 20.12.) All budgetary money, due or reported as used for the intended purpose or should be returned back to the budget, as undigested. Their spending will be allowed after the adoption of the budget for the next year, which will happen somewhere in March-April. Complaint filed by 19.12. requires consideration and response, even if it is completely dull! Here is such a sabotage arranged by Ukraine. It is not clear for what purpose! request
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      2. just exp
        just exp 20 December 2017 18: 43
        0
        and what, the law allows you to work with unscrupulous performers? I thought it was the opposite of a matter of jurisdiction to entrust the order to those who fail it.
        and then the Croats emnip just sued those who gave their order to Kaklam.
        moreover, for a simpler modernization of the old Mig-21.
      3. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 20 December 2017 19: 21
        +2
        Quote: pytar
        The law is the law! The Consumer Protection Commission has the prerogative to control compliance with laws on loyal competition, which protects consumers. To some, all this may seem too bureaucratic, since the system really slows down decision-making, but on the other hand, its presence makes it possible to reduce the risk of corruption and abuse. The complaint of Uroboronprom is unlikely to have a different effect, although it is not out of the blue, that Ukraine has filed other complaints to the EU about violations of the arms embargo for the Russian Federation by Bulgaria.

        I wrote to you in another topic that Bulgaria has no sovereignty, you told me fairy tales !!! This news confirms my words !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
        1. pytar
          pytar 20 December 2017 19: 52
          +4
          I wrote to you in another topic that Bulgaria has no sovereignty, you told me fairy tales !!! This news confirms my words !!!

          Yes, Nikolai and I, we often enter into controversy! bully You repeat yours, I mine. This news does not confirm your words, but confirms that there are laws in Bulgaria and they are being implemented! good
          As for the eventual complaint from Ukraine to the EU, it was a private opinion of one forum member in Bulgarian forums. I quoted him. It is not a fact that Ukraine should be filed, nor a fact that if filed, it is respected. request
          1. just exp
            just exp 20 December 2017 20: 38
            0
            nonsense, it shows that Bulgaria is a fully state-controlled country that has no sovereignty at all.
            because by law you can’t work with those who fail contracts.
            it is the LAW IN ALL SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES.
            and if you have a law there that forces the customer to work with the contractor who fails the contracts, then it means that you have such a law that works against the country, because after this law the country will have no money or planes.
        2. verner1967
          verner1967 20 December 2017 20: 49
          +1
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          I wrote to you in another topic that Bulgaria has no sovereignty

          Well? Crap again laughing
      4. Babalaykin
        Babalaykin 20 December 2017 19: 42
        +4
        those. if tomorrow Bulgaria or any other airline wants to repair the Boeing or Airbus specifically from the Boeing or Airbus, then does the UAC have at least half a percentage chance to file a complaint against such lawlessness? Corruption must be fought, and the UAC does good planes) all honestly.
        1. pytar
          pytar 20 December 2017 20: 06
          +4
          those. if tomorrow Bulgaria or any any airline wants to repair the Boeing or Airbus specifically from the Boeing or Airbus, then does the UAC have at least half a percentage chance to file a complaint against such lawlessness? Corruption must be fought, and the KLA does good aircraft) everything is fair

          I am not going to quote all Bulgarian legislation .. It is very broad. laughing In short, everyone has the right to file complaints and will receive an answer within the time period specified by law! But if the submitter does not have the right to a question, it is quite reasonable to receive the following answer: "You are not an" interested party "by chance and your complaint is rejected." laughing The progress of the administrative procedure depends on the topic. hi
          1. just exp
            just exp 20 December 2017 20: 40
            0
            this is called - I want to see, I want to not see.
            I want to turn it around.
            and they sang about the law and so on.
            in general, another evidence that Bulgaria lay under the states and is its vassal, and not an independent country.
          2. Babalaykin
            Babalaykin 21 December 2017 20: 11
            0
            Bulgaria will soon either be left without airplanes, which we will be extremely happy with, or it will pay a little for Bushes f16 or other Western scrap, with credit levs) and everyone will be happy.
      5. sabakina
        sabakina 20 December 2017 19: 43
        +3
        There is a small snag, Ukraine is not in the EU. And no one charged us with an arms embargo.
      6. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 20 December 2017 19: 50
        0
        do not care, after ukroremnt you don’t fly, we don’t cry, we’ll cry even later, like you were warned, but you would have kicked us ... and nod further on the laws in the absence of common sense
      7. Conductor
        Conductor 20 December 2017 20: 03
        0
        Oh, and what other arms embargo?
    5. svp67
      svp67 20 December 2017 21: 25
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail M
      There are not even scraps of Bulgarian sovereignty; they cannot solve a simple issue on their own.

      The usual bureaucratic procedure.
    6. Blombirus
      Blombirus 20 December 2017 22: 10
      +2
      This is good news! Thanks dill, in time fussed. And then our bureaucrats are ready to sharpen the pitchfork for a small fraction. Let the "bros" fly on brooms.
    7. Pivot
      Pivot 21 December 2017 00: 01
      0
      But what difference does it make, sovereignty or not, what will these devils fly on? If the plane is not served, then it will not fly. It’s just not clear who wants to get into the tender, most likely not even having permission from the manufacturer.
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  2. razved
    razved 20 December 2017 18: 09
    +9
    To be honest, the Bulgarians got their “I want, I don’t want” ... They couldn’t decide on the gas pipe, now they’re repairing the fighters ...
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 20 December 2017 18: 30
      +4
      A couple of days ago on the forum, a Bulgarian about a pipe was crucifying. That, they say, Bulgaria is independent and everything will be ok. I didn’t really answer any of my questions, but everything revolved like an eel ...
      Even if you pull a pipe to them, then according to their merit (for one twentieth century THREE times betrayed us!) -
      sewer.
      1. razved
        razved 20 December 2017 19: 18
        +3
        That's right, betraying once betray again. This must be remembered, for it is a law, i.e. axiom.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 20 December 2017 19: 24
        +2
        Quote: lexus
        A couple of days ago on the forum, a Bulgarian about a pipe was crucifying. That, they say, Bulgaria is independent and everything will be ok. I didn’t really answer any of my questions, but everything revolved like an eel ...
        Even if you pull a pipe to them, then according to their merit (for one twentieth century THREE times betrayed us!) -
        sewer.

        Look a couple of comments above !!! wink wink wink I answered him ... Petka and in such crap I saw positive in Bulgaria !!! wassat wassat wassat also came up with some kind of arms embargo against Russia !!! fool fool laughing laughing laughing
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          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 20 December 2017 19: 49
            +2
            Quote: lexus
            He has already reached me (See below). Now I know what the "daughter of an officer" (Bulgarian) is like))) I still won’t get to know that the Russians and Gazprom and Rosneft live separately ....

            Well, you’ve gotten into trouble .. right now the nudity will start !!! laughing laughing laughing
            1. pytar
              pytar 20 December 2017 21: 20
              +2
              Boys (Lexus and Nikolai Grek), you screwed up too soon ... drinks drinks Have fun well and fall early from the table! wassat Bulgarians, never rush! bully For this, the latter get up from the table! After everyone who has been lying under it for a long time ... wink Health! drinks
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 21 December 2017 00: 48
                0
                Very bad when judged by themselves. And it would be nice to refrain from these inappropriate insults. But here you can see the implanted point of view of the Western mentor that all Russians are drunkards and are lying under the table. It would be nice to look at the calendar - the middle of the week. Maybe in Bulgaria there is a siesta, but in Russia everyone is working, even pensioners. Moreover, for 2 discussions only in your comments "clinking boys" with or without. As well as "smiles" for no reason, suggestive of thoughts.
                You can write about the millions spent by Gazprom, and rejoice that Bulgaria will be the owner of the pipe, but you know, many here are not happy about this. Friendship “on the pipe” is not friendship.
                Saying that I write "carbon copy" is also disrespectful. Because, if you operate on facts, the facts themselves will not change from the number of references. Although what am I talking about? In the US and the EU, they decided to “fix” the whole story.
                By the way, I just worked behind the wheel. I really hope that I’m not writing “under the table”.
                I can also recall about nuclear power plants when Russia was already spent, and the Bulgarians, of course, “independently”, “turned on the back”. Do you compensate for the losses?
                And about weapons, copies of the Soviet, for which Bulgaria never paid, but regularly in the hands of terrorists shooting Russian soldiers in Syria.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 21 December 2017 10: 41
                  +3
                  But here the imposed point of view of the western mentor is visible ...

                  Lexus this is not a patriotic car! Toyota branch! Kuril Islands, etc.! Patriots are better to choose Lada! wink
                  ..that all Russians are drunkards and wallowing under the table

                  Bullshit of course! I have more Russians as friends than Bulgarians! And come every year to visit! And they have not been surprised for a long time that our reality is not the one that is shown in Russian media!
                  only in your comments "clinking boys" with or without.

                  There is always a reason for toasts! For Russia, for Bulgaria and for Friendship! For good friends we always have a rich table! We are hospitable people! good
                  Maybe in Bulgaria there is a siesta, but in Russia everyone is working, even pensioners.

                  You Lexus, because you are in Bulgaria! So repeat! And how is it? Fiesta? laughing
                  As well as "smiles" for no reason, suggestive of thoughts.

                  Everyone is attracted to thoughts that suit him mentally. And smiles so perceives! laughing
                  Saying that I write "carbon copy" is also disrespectful.

                  They understood everything correctly ... yes Respect must be earned or not!
                  You can write about the millions spent by Gazprom, and rejoice that Bulgaria will be the owner of the pipe, but you know, many here are not happy about this. Friendship “on the pipe” is not friendship.

                  There are always people who are not happy with something! Impossible to please everyone! Friendship “on the pipe” is the doctrine of the Russian Federation from the beginning of the 2000. It turned out that she was ineffective! It turned out to be more important in whose banks the ruling class’s money is worth. He holds them for xxx.
                  By the way, I just worked behind the wheel. I really hope that I’m not writing “under the table”.

                  You know better! But still periodically look around ... It happens that a person loses orientation!
                  I can also recall about nuclear power plants when Russia was already spent, and the Bulgarians, of course, “independently”, “turned on the back”. Do you compensate for the losses?

                  The issue is extremely controversial for Bulgarian society! Somewhere in VO I wrote in detail about this! Belene NPPs have been laid since 80. Bulgaria invested ~ 2,5 billion dollars in it! During this time, the international situation has changed a lot. The export potential of electric power at the Balkans has decreased. For completion, you still need 4,5-5 billion euros. It turned out to be more profitable to pay 600 million Euros to Rosatom’s losses. By the way, he claimed 1,2 billion! Two months ago, a special commission to the BAN proved that Bulgaria would need a new nuclear power plant by 2030. The Kozloduy nuclear power plant’s life was extended until the same year with an option to continue until 2040. Belene NPP is likely to be completed. But they are going to do it not with money from the state budget, but with the help of private investors. Rosatom has already announced its participation. As far as I know, there is a agreement between Bulgaria and Rosatom for compensation as a share in the Belene nuclear power plant.
                  And about weapons, copies of the Soviet, for which Bulgaria never paid, but regularly in the hands of terrorists shooting Russian soldiers in Syria.

                  No wonder I say that you have everything as "under the carbon paper"! I can accurately recount the entire list of claims that are replicated in Russian media! I have answered such questions more than once!
                  Bulgaria pretty much paid on licenses while they were in force! There are no perpetual patents. Bulgaria produces Soviet weapons! And sells in full compliance with international laws! Moreover, / with machine guns and machine guns / thanks to the use of forging forends, its quality is very high! This will create competition for Russian manufacturers! For that they are so nervous!
                  So think about it! Why have they been attacking Bulgarian armaments through media for 10 years? Indeed, if the law and the right are on the Russian side, then no problem amounts to suing the Bulgarian people and condemning them, as happened with the Belene NPP!
                  In Syria and elsewhere, more Soviet / Russian weapons than any other! By the way, your beloved Serbia, sells to the Middle East much more than Bulgaria. Bulgaria does not sell weapons to terrorists! Probably the Bulgarian weapons fall into their hands, but on the seller is the responsibility of the purchaser, not the seller! After all, we do not blame Russia that the Ishilovites have the most modern Russian weapons! Like for example the Russian-Jordanian consortium RPG-32 / Hashim /!
                  And the exaggerated Russian media of "Bulgarian weapons at the igil", are typical propaganda go on discrediting a competitor! Badly designed by the way! "The Bulgarian journalist Dilyana Grozdanova, found tons of shells for MLRS in Syria ..." It's strange, but the chests "were" found with documents! As if someone had deliberately collected everything for the arrival of a journalist! You don’t know, but we in Bulgaria know very well who D. Grozdanova is! ZhurnaXXX working to order! In a fully compromised personality! More than once, she was tried for slander and deceit. Here you have it authority!
                  And the last ... more soldiers died from Russian weapons than from any other. Russia is second in the world in terms of arms sales. There is no morality in the arms business! Kka Yankees overtake - nothing personal, just business! hi
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 21 December 2017 11: 16
                    0
                    Lexus is not a patriotic car

                    If about patriotism, my nickname has nothing to do with the car brand, as my brother used to call me long before that, but pytar is a Negro singer, there’s even a page on the Internet and a video. Kuril fuss with the Japanese are still the same as the gas pipeline they are going to pull through Bulgaria.
                    Everyone understood correctly ... yes Respect must be earned or not!

                    Mutually...
                    No wonder I say that you have everything as "under the carbon paper"!

                    Answer a few questions, only without shirking to the side:
                    1. Bulgaria in World War I in which alliance was and fought?
                    2. The same in World War II with whom was she?
                    3. In what alliance and military bloc is it now?
                    And how does all this combine with good friendship, which is only in words?
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 21 December 2017 12: 35
                      +3
                      but pytar is a Negro singer, there is even a page on the Internet and a video.

                      Thanks for the info! Did not know! And even happy! Ebony music is temperamental and hot, like the soaring sun over Africa and the Caribbean! I like! smile
                      Mutually...

                      Pleased again! laughing
                      1. Bulgaria in World War I in which alliance was and fought?

                      In the union, which he answered to her primordial national interests!
                      2. The same in World War II with whom was she?

                      I was with whom I was forced to be! And did everything possible to continue! Any other decision would promise the complete extermination of the few Bulgarian people.
                      3. In what alliance and military bloc is it now?

                      In NATO. Otherwise, the fate of the former Yugoslavia would have awaited Bulgaria, but in a much worse variant.
                      And how does all this combine with good friendship, which is only in words?

                      There would be no Friendship, we would not lose our time here in our Bulgarians!
                      And now I will ask you a few questions!
                      1. In World War I, did Russia belong to the union with whom?
                      2. In World War II, did you conclude situational agreements with your worst enemies?
                      3. After the collapse of the USSR, in what period and with which military bloc did Russia participate in partnership programs for military and political cooperation?
                      4. Who destroyed the CMEA and ATS? USSR or Bulgaria? Who surrendered all his allies, among whom are themselves faithful, was Bulgaria?
                      And then remember again about friendship ..!
                      1. Lexus
                        Lexus 21 December 2017 13: 47
                        0
                        In the union, which he answered to her primordial national interests!

                        Clearly, the Bulgarian and the Turk are brothers forever! It turns out, my fellow countryman Skobelev, in 1877-1878 was an invader, from your words. Whose "... mumbled ..." about the "Turkish brothers". The question is closed.
                        I was with whom I was forced to be! And did everything possible to continue! Any other decision would promise the complete extermination of the few Bulgarian people.

                        That is, self-preservation - it is. Due to the extermination of the more numerous Soviet people. And when then the time comes "to receive by the cabbage soup", you can go over and remember the Russian language. Here it is no longer necessary to preserve, but always be protected, so as not to produce lovers of 30 pieces of silver. Clear.
                        In NATO. Otherwise, the fate of the former Yugoslavia would have awaited Bulgaria, but in a much worse variant.

                        Don’t perish yourself - you betray your comrade. Bon appetit, eat the relying "barrel of jam and a basket of cookies." Closed.
                        Answers.
                        1. Soviet Russia left the Entente in 1918. That war was a war of dying monarchies, by the way, closely related.
                        2. The USSR saved its brothers in Western Belarus and Ukraine occupied by Poland. The fascists then filled the crematoriums not with the Bulgarians. Do not dare to mock the memory of the destroyed people!
                        3. Your "colleague", "fighting Yeltsin" was going to be friends with NATO. Only in Russia its 95% of the population despises, and you justify your crooks in power. Feel the difference.
                        4. The second character that is "tagged." He hates 99,9% in Russia.

                        Total: it’s not necessary and impossible to be friends with someone who is a coward and a traitor, who is from “self-preservation” (or rather, momentary petty gain in the form of someone else’s land or 30 srb.) who agrees to be No. 6, because it is safer, who expects only $ from friendship (this is the oldest profession), who says one thing and does the other and constantly fails.
                        For there is no friendship born of money and at the table, but there is friendship that, when together shoulder to shoulder in difficult times, and when a friend, without even thinking, is ready to sacrifice his life, saving a friend, when you call a genetically non-native person a brother and no forces capable of destroying this fraternity.
                        For the rest of the "pseudo-friends" there is a very accurate episode in the film of Bodrov Jr. "Brother".

                        You don’t have to work, I’m not at all interested in what you write in response. I don’t need your “scenery” of the vile actions of the Bulgarian “figures”, and there is no place for “noodles” on my ears. stop
                      2. verner1967
                        verner1967 21 December 2017 18: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: pytar
                        There would be no Friendship, we would not lose our time here in our Bulgarians!
                        And now I will ask you a few questions!
                        1. In World War I, did Russia belong to the union with whom?
                        2. In World War II, did you conclude situational agreements with your worst enemies?
                        3. After the collapse of the USSR, in what period and with which military bloc did Russia participate in partnership programs for military and political cooperation?
                        4. Who destroyed the CMEA and ATS? USSR or Bulgaria? Who surrendered all his allies, among whom are themselves faithful, was Bulgaria?
                        And then remember again about friendship ..!

                        good Bravo!!
                      3. pytar
                        pytar 21 December 2017 21: 32
                        0
                        You don’t have to work, I’m not at all interested in what you write in response.

                        Lexus, I know... laughing After all, I wrote to you in another comment: "You were crucified a couple of days ago at a forum about pipes. Besides, you didn’t want to listen or find out anything."
                        Although I formally appeal to you, I am writing to those who think with their heads!
                        Your last koment, is a brilliant example on twisting! Everything that you write can be generalized at several points: 1.What you are allowed, others not allowed. 2. We are always right, even when we do the opposite thing in the same situation. 3.Everything we do is good. All the same, if others do it, it is bad! 4.Our truth is Truth. Monopoly over our Truth! 5.For all the others to blame! We are never! 6.All the bad people are yours, and ours are all good. If there are ours bad, then they are not ours!
                        And so on! laughing
      3. pytar
        pytar 20 December 2017 19: 28
        +8
        Lexus you a couple of days ago on the forum about the pipes was crucified. At the same time, you did not want to listen or learn anything. You have one thing in mind: (for one twentieth century THREE times betrayed us!) Like a carbon paper! wink
        And in each topic, it doesn’t matter if the pipes are balabolite! It can be seen that someone is very angry that all things between the Russian Federation and Bulgaria, although slowly but are improving!
        I’ll take and upset you a little more! laughing Do you know that pipes from UP are still in Varna? Read a little ...
        https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/21525-port-var
        ny-prodolzhaet-zarabatyvat-na-khranenii-trub-dlya
        -yuzhnogo-potoka
        I quote one interesting passage: “South Stream Transport currently pays not only for pipes located in the port, but also for the reserved area for future pipe deliveries.”
        Why do you think Russian company "UPT" pays for their storage at 2 a million euros, or even more a year from the beginning of 2015? Are they fools? negative
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 20 December 2017 19: 50
          +5
          Boyan, don’t be offended by them, we have those, a little of that ...
          1. pytar
            pytar 20 December 2017 21: 06
            +4
            Yes, I’m not offended, but it became already annoying! As the sound with a broken record comes! sad
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 20 December 2017 21: 37
              +3
              As the sound with a broken record comes!

              It's only the beginning! Especially before the election ... It remains only to recall the woman Wang ...
          2. Lexus
            Lexus 21 December 2017 00: 53
            0
            And such

            alas, too. I will not follow your example and refrain from insults.
        2. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 20 December 2017 19: 57
          0
          from such a clumsy Russian eye twitches and loses its meaning ... immediately a pearl from the past comes to mind - yours doesn’t understand yours, come to this ... and as for the trumpet - yes, when there will be a concrete agreement signed with signatures, then and start singing songs about improving relations, and as for the storage of pipes in the port of Varna - where we want to store it there, it means that it’s necessary for logistics ... and you don’t get a penny from it, you’ll definitely drop out of transit
        3. Lexus
          Lexus 20 December 2017 20: 03
          +3
          As Dominic Strauss-Cannes said while in / in Ukraine:
          - In order to ask for something, you need to give something! You, besides anger and hatred, have not given anything to anyone. You betrayed Russia, which created you and fed it with a spoon. The whole world knows this! Remember! They don’t like traitors anywhere. They are only used.

          In the case of Bulgaria, everything is exactly the same. You will live to see that, like the citizens of House 404 after 2019, you have to fill these very pipes with your natural gases, which have developed from hatred of Russia and the Russians! You look at this moment the Turks behind you pat on the shoulder. And you, by habit, will not refuse them. Dosvidos!

          1. pytar
            pytar 22 December 2017 11: 30
            0
            And the inscription is in Czech ... In Bulgaria, hardly any 10-20 people know this language! wink
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  3. LSA57
    LSA57 20 December 2017 18: 10
    +2
    Bulgaria temporarily suspended a deal worth 81,3 million leva ($ 49,3 million) with the MiG Russian Aircraft Corporation to repair its jet fighters in connection with a complaint filed by the Ukrainian state-owned company Ukrinmash,

    here let them urkain and modernize
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 20 December 2017 19: 41
      +1
      here let them urkain and modernize

      They have modernized the Croats that the Croatian Minister of Defense was going to shoot himself)))
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 20 December 2017 19: 51
      +4
      Sergey, hi , wait throwing thunder and lightning, you need to figure it out.
  4. japs
    japs 20 December 2017 18: 11
    +8
    The horses were offended that they were not invited to the tender. They will do it all at half price!
    True, the rear left foot and rear spares.
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 20 December 2017 18: 15
      +1
      Boys with an independent one had already done, in my Arabs. After their repair, they would not buy nails from them.
      1. figwam
        figwam 20 December 2017 18: 24
        +5
        They repaired 12 Croatian MiG-21s, after which 4 aircraft remained airworthy. If aviation is not needed, feel free to send it to the outskirts for repairs.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 20 December 2017 18: 40
          +3
          In! I already wrote above: they will not paint it expensive, they will write "overhaul".
        2. Sergey53
          Sergey53 20 December 2017 18: 50
          +1
          Right THANK. They interrupted spare parts numbers there, set up old things, and part of the planes were generally replaced by strangers.
        3. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 21 December 2017 00: 37
          0
          They repaired 12 Croatian MiG-21s, after which 4 aircraft remained airworthy.

          There, it seems, the engines were taken out of the newer Croatian ones and their rusty junk was put to them.
    2. Prjanik
      Prjanik 20 December 2017 18: 34
      +2
      Judging by the latest masterpieces of UkroVPK .., the Bulgarians still have to pay extra in order to compensate for moral damage.
  5. Popeye the Sailor
    Popeye the Sailor 20 December 2017 18: 11
    +4
    Brothers !!! Slavs !!! laughing laughing laughing
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          1. just exp
            just exp 20 December 2017 20: 44
            +1
            it was long before the Turks (I wrote the Turk, not the Turks). Bulgarians from the very beginning formed as a mixed ethnos, that is, there was a Turkic tribe, and a Slavic tribe, each with its own name, after they mixed up and created their own state, they began to be called Bulgarians, although according to another version they were formed after the flight of the Khazar Khaganate, this when the Khazars went to the Danube and came to Bulgaria, but the Bulgarians were there before that, so the Bulgarians and Bulgars are still different nations. it was back in the 1st millennium.
            1. pytar
              pytar 21 December 2017 12: 48
              +3
              Bulgarians from the very beginning formed as a mixed ethnos, that is, there was a Turkic tribe

              Genetic studies unequivocally refute the Turkic origin of the Danube Bulgarians. Even after 500 years of Ottoman slavery, modern Bulgarians have no more “Turkic genes” than other European nations. Genetics define modern Bulgarians as Mediterranean type of Slavs. Bulgarians are the most southern of the Slavic peoples. A strong Thracian genetic influence along with proto-Bulgarian was established. And the proto-Bulgarians probably have an Iranian-Aryan origin. Genetically closest to the Bulgarians peoples, it is Serbs and Croats. And between the Bulgarians and the "Macedonians" there is no difference. In fact, this is one people with the same ancestors. The Cyrillic alphabet to which we write here is created in Bulgaria, and the Bulgarian language is the first Slavonic language documented in books! Bulgarians are the first of all Slavs to accept Christianity in its East Roman interpretation / Orthodoxy /. By the middle of the IX century, Bulgaria was turning into a center of Slavic culture and writing, making its significant contribution to universal values!
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      2. sabakina
        sabakina 20 December 2017 19: 53
        +4
        Quote: Genry
        Remember the looting of Rome? Their business.

        Yeah, the chapel is also their work!
        1. Genry
          Genry 20 December 2017 20: 45
          +1
          I don’t know anything about your chapel?
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 20 December 2017 21: 40
            +3
            Quote: Genry
            I don’t know anything about your chapel?

            I don’t understand your punctuation mark ... Do you want to say that you know for sure?
            1. Genry
              Genry 21 December 2017 17: 26
              0
              Isn't your name Barbara yours? Oh, they’ll ban me now ...
  6. Sergey53
    Sergey53 20 December 2017 18: 11
    +3
    We there seemed to agree to pull gas to them, but it seems to me they will change their minds again, as well as the South Stream. Everything is returning to normal.
  7. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 20 December 2017 18: 13
    +1
    Well, then do not be offended if the pair disappears without a trace, and the rest will be assembled from used spare parts.
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  9. Nemesis
    Nemesis 20 December 2017 18: 14
    +3
    What a grief ... Let them fly on a broomstick, or on Ukrainians ...
  10. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 20 December 2017 18: 14
    +2
    Bulgarians, but what will you fly on? On brooms?
  11. pvv113
    pvv113 20 December 2017 18: 20
    +2
    the ministry of defense was preparing for negotiations and was about to sign an agreement
    [Quote] [/ quote]
    Let the Bulgarians ask the Croats how Ukraine left them with its repair without fighters
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 20 December 2017 19: 54
      +4
      Vovka, pryuvet! I think everything will be fine.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 20 December 2017 20: 48
        +1
        Hello, Glory! Indeed - everything will be fine. But not everyone wink
  12. izya top
    izya top 20 December 2017 18: 22
    +1
    exactly, exactly, entrust this thing to the horses yes then you will miss half, and the other half will be painted in yellow-blaky camouflage request
  13. Rusland
    Rusland 20 December 2017 18: 23
    10
    Before sending to Ukraine, let them leave photos as a souvenir and make an absolute prepayment.
  14. ando_bor
    ando_bor 20 December 2017 18: 23
    +1
    I came, here the Bulgarian is alone, "completely upset" - he told, we need to ask him, maybe what knows.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 20 December 2017 19: 27
      +2
      already noted here !! lol lol lol
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 20 December 2017 19: 55
        +3
        - Tell me, but in Greece there is ...
        - It was.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 20 December 2017 21: 36
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          - Tell me, but in Greece there is ...
          - It was.

          laughing laughing yes .. sorry for Greece ... but despite the fact that I myself am Greek, now I do not have respect for her !!! negative request wassat laughing laughing laughing
  15. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 20 December 2017 18: 23
    0
    Damn such a union ?! When every neighbor will stick you in the wheel! Mogul could not decide anything! The collective farms had even more order.
  16. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 20 December 2017 18: 23
    +3
    Where is our Bulgarian colleague talking about South Stream? Let him comment on this decision ...
    1. corporal
      corporal 20 December 2017 18: 30
      +3
      See above.
  17. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 20 December 2017 18: 35
    +5
    Well, you colleagues so attacked the "little brothers"? Well, normal practice in general: to suspend the process for the period of consideration of the complaint from a third party. I think the Ukrainians have no chance, they themselves understand this very well, but the desire to "us the neighbor at the door" is stronger than their brain efforts. We will conclude a contract with the Bulgarians a little later, and how much later it depends on the Bulgarians themselves and their desire to have modernized Migi of adequate quality and at an affordable price.
  18. turbris
    turbris 20 December 2017 18: 42
    +2
    Yes, you don’t have to get in touch with Bulgaria at all, and even on military issues - this is not an independent state, where the authorities are only present, and the administration comes from Washington. Why do we need to repair their planes, think about 49 million bucks, not so much money because of which we should butt, that we want to see these planes as part of the NATO air patrol over the Black Sea? Let Ukraine repair their planes, in this case, we will not see them anymore in the air ..
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 20 December 2017 20: 12
      0
      you can always insert a bug in software or REO, which will then facilitate the guidance of missiles :)
  19. Livonetc
    Livonetc 20 December 2017 18: 46
    +1
    Quote: Fil743
    Well, you colleagues so attacked the "little brothers"? Well, normal practice in general: to suspend the process for the period of consideration of the complaint from a third party. I think the Ukrainians have no chance, they themselves understand this very well, but the desire to "us the neighbor at the door" is stronger than their brain efforts. We will conclude a contract with the Bulgarians a little later, and how much later it depends on the Bulgarians themselves and their desire to have modernized Migi of adequate quality and at an affordable price.

    Absolutely not normal.
    In this matter, there are no legislative rules of competition.
    And Ukrainians in general have no sideways to the question.
    Only the politics and the lack of sovereignty of Bulgaria ...
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 20 December 2017 21: 44
      +1
      Quote: Livonetc
      Quote: Fil743
      Well, you colleagues so attacked the "little brothers"? Well, normal practice in general: to suspend the process for the period of consideration of the complaint from a third party. I think the Ukrainians have no chance, they themselves understand this very well, but the desire to "us the neighbor at the door" is stronger than their brain efforts. We will conclude a contract with the Bulgarians a little later, and how much later it depends on the Bulgarians themselves and their desire to have modernized Migi of adequate quality and at an affordable price.

      Absolutely not normal.
      In this matter, there are no legislative rules of competition.
      And Ukrainians in general have no sideways to the question.
      Only the politics and the lack of sovereignty of Bulgaria ...


      Teach materiel.
      I myself stopped the state order procedures for fairly large enterprises of our defense industry.
      Just for reasons of lack of competition.
      He won in the antitrust authority of the Russian Federation - the FAS of the Russian Federation.
      And delivered as a result already by completely transparent procedures. much cheaper ...
      Than some corrupt officials would like.
      so i know. that you are wrong.
  20. Dwarfking
    Dwarfking 20 December 2017 18: 50
    +1
    Quote: pytar
    The customer has the full right, according to the Law on Public Orders and several special laws, to choose a contractor.


    Quote: Mikhail M
    From the Bulgarian sovereignty, even the scraps are not left; they cannot solve a simple question on their own.

    Our analogue is FAS, 44-FZ, 223-FZ. Only in our country 44-FZ with the Defense order becomes less scrupulous. We have the same, often every * ??:% may complain about the purchase, especially a large one. With a defense order more complicated, thank God
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 20 December 2017 21: 46
      +1
      Quote: DwarfKing
      Quote: pytar
      The customer has the full right, according to the Law on Public Orders and several special laws, to choose a contractor.


      Quote: Mikhail M
      From the Bulgarian sovereignty, even the scraps are not left; they cannot solve a simple question on their own.

      Our analogue is FAS, 44-FZ, 223-FZ. Only in our country 44-FZ with the Defense order becomes less scrupulous. We have the same, often every * ??:% may complain about the purchase, especially a large one. With a defense order more complicated, thank God

      To deliver by state defense order. You need to fulfill several additional conditions.
      "every * ??:%", as you put it, does not have such competencies.
      So do not invent.
  21. Bgfen
    Bgfen 20 December 2017 19: 13
    +6
    Hello, the Bulgarian Ministry of Defense sent an invitation only to MiG, since the law allows you to send an invitation to one tenderer if he has special rights to manufacture and deliver the subject of bidding. But the law also allows complaints from people who did not receive the invitation. the deadline the complaint will be examined and if there is no violation of the law, the contract will be completed. I am not familiar with aviation and do not know if there is a violation of the law in this case. A simple example is if we have a car and we are looking for someone who can change the design, then we’ll need to contact to the factory of the manufacturer. If we need to change the oil, the flow and make the brake adjustments, then this can be done by each auto service. And the law says that when the money from the state budget is made, the one who offers the cheapest price under the same other conditions is about one and as well as materials. But I’ll say - I don’t know how difficult this tender is. There are no modernization of the aircraft in its conditions, only current support for four yes. If the Bulgarian ministry can prove in court that what is laid down in the tender can be done only by Mig, there is no problem. I think that when they made a decision on the tender with only one participant, they prepared well and their defense in court.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 20 December 2017 20: 04
      +3
      Petrov, the plane is not a car and only MiG has a repair and modernization license. No, you can go to a nearby garage to Uncle Vasya, but you will disentangle the consequences of this repair yourself. There will be no guarantees, let alone insurance.
      1. pytar
        pytar 20 December 2017 21: 34
        +3
        BG hair dryerreally right! Owner of a car / airplane, etc. chooses who wants to make repairs, technical support or modernization! Licensing is optional! The license gives a guarantee that the contractor has competence! Negotiating with the unlicensed is more risky, but he also takes responsibility for the quality of the repair. Another thing, how much is this guarantee justified and is the money spent? In this case, the person may revoke all its warranties on the entire product if it was "touched by another." In principle, many companies in the world make repairs, upgrades, etc. without any licks! There are good examples, such as modernization packages of Israeli firms! Romanian MiG-21 upgraded to Israel, raising their performance characteristics drastically! This fighter is called MiG-21 LanseR still stands at the heart of the Romanian Air Force!
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 20 December 2017 21: 47
          +2
          Israeli can, I do not argue, they have responsibility for the work done. Khokhlam can not be trusted from the word "completely."
          1. pytar
            pytar 21 December 2017 12: 59
            +2
            Khokhlam can not be trusted from the word "completely."

            Nobody is going to trust Ukroboronprom! The very fact that no one invited them to negotiations speaks about this! They are unlikely to achieve anything further! Judging by the fact that they did not make the required contribution at the consideration of the complaint, it says that they themselves are not perceived as serious! The messages of the Bulgarian Defense Ministry indicate that The complaint was received not through a representative, but through the DHL parcel service! belay This is really unserious! No.
  22. wow
    wow 20 December 2017 19: 19
    +4
    Lord, let the Odessa "aircraft repair plant" restore them (MiG-29) .... They are very good. quickly everything will be stuck in the ground. Ukro-specialists will paint their maximum, they will “do” the rest with a pencil - they will write down the execution of work, draw up resources and so on. This has already happened more than once. Scandal after scandal, I don’t even want to list the countries that have already “cooperated” with Ukraine.
    1. SCHWERIN
      SCHWERIN 20 December 2017 20: 18
      0
      Or maybe Roshen will repair, what's the difference?
    2. Town Hall
      Town Hall 20 December 2017 22: 16
      0
      Quote: yo-mine
      Ukro-specialists will paint their maximum, they will “do” the rest with a pencil - they will write down the execution of work, draw up resources and so on. This has already happened more than once. Scandal after scandal, I don’t even want to list the countries that have already “cooperated” with Ukraine.



      In fairness, Russia is also full of craftsmen


      "..The Moscow City Court sentenced the heads of three companies that supplied used and counterfeit spare parts for RSK MiG under the well-known Algerian contract. The discovery of substandard components on Russian aircraft delivered in Algeria in 2007 was a formal reason for Algeria to break the contract...."
  23. Berkut24
    Berkut24 20 December 2017 19: 25
    +1
    With whom has Ukraine not yet had time to quarrel? It seems that thanks to Ukraine, five years later, Europe will be able to find unity, but not at all what Ukrainians hope for.
  24. Bgfen
    Bgfen 20 December 2017 19: 26
    +1
    This is possible and true, and above all, it is true. But here is great But if the ministry has made poor documents and tender conditions, then this tender can be successfully attacked in court. This is often the case, especially when ministers work with the ministry qualifications on the subject of bargaining. Usually such tenders disappear if the company does not buy some sort of politician or judging. In general, like everywhere else.
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 20 December 2017 19: 38
      +2
      Brother, we can teach you how to prepare tender documents laughing
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 20 December 2017 20: 08
      +2
      Petrov, I write again, (see above), the MiG-29 is not a VAZ-2101.
      1. Bgfen
        Bgfen 20 December 2017 20: 36
        +1
        Naturally, if officials made poor documentation, then this gives no one the opportunity to equate a fighter with a car, it leads to when the conditions of the tender are poorly done. Still, you should not think that the Ukrainian side will not have specialists who can not prove that they are super-duper. Only well-made documentation that indicates the presentation of an unambiguous fact about the indispensability of the MiG will have persistence in court. If this is not done, then the process will be profiled and reduced to see if anyone has a tank for filling the oil in the service. Everything is approximately, I gave as an example for comparison, it is much more complicated and I don’t understand this matter. It’s just an obvious example. But I think that the MiG will win the tender, therefore the Bulgarian side wants it.
  25. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 20 December 2017 19: 32
    +1
    Let them fly on a broomstick)
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 20 December 2017 20: 15
      0
      and why the hell are Harry Potter competitors
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 21 December 2017 00: 12
        0
        Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
        and why the hell are Harry Potter competitors


        Did someone ask him? ))) The competitors do not care.
  26. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 20 December 2017 19: 32
    +1
    Business! Let svidomye upgrade. So "little brothers" is necessary.
  27. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 20 December 2017 19: 37
    0
    Brothers don’t know how to write tender documentation correctly)))) MiG would be advised that they put in the statement of work))) and that there are plants on Krajina that can modernize the 29th?
    1. Bgfen
      Bgfen 20 December 2017 20: 44
      +1
      I think that MiG helped and won the competition. And that's right, only for the price I hope that it’s not with a factor of 2 or 3. But there is a lot of hype about this tender and I think that MiG will do everything well. And in the end, our MiGs -29 are not some kind of danger for the Russian air forces. This contract will increase the rating of MiG abroad and if we are not partners in terms of trading volume, then there are many more MiG crawlers in the world who will need a good service image ..
  28. Kamchatsky
    Kamchatsky 20 December 2017 19: 38
    +1
    I quite rarely write comments on articles on VO, (work, be it wrong), but it turns out to read. So: reading everything that is connected with the Ukrainians (these are Ukrainians, only from the looking glass Svidomo) I am amazed at their cockroaches in their wild heads. How could you bring your country, your inhabitants to a state over which comrades from VO are already tired of stealing drinks fellow , and the whole world is just beginning to understand where he got into it with them? Looks like they themselves are .... hali.
  29. Bgfen
    Bgfen 20 December 2017 19: 50
    +3
    Once in Bulgaria there was a plant for repair and maintenance of MiG 21 and 23, which accounted for approximately 90% of aviation - and these planes were also repaired there. So, there are plants that repair MiG-29 in other countries of the former Warsaw Pact. Our MiG-29s didn’t fly when servicing from a Russian company, for various reasons, either they agreed not what was needed for repair, or they delivered without documents and guarantees, but the planes did not fly. From 15 pikes, 3-4 were ready .This I don’t know how in other NATO countries they have a MiG-29 and they are being repaired from Russia. But if I were, I would never have flown the aircraft of a likely enemy. And for this reason we will not have fighter aircraft, and NATO will not wants us to operate Russian equipment. Maybe they told the Ukrainian company that there was nothing, because I also don’t believe that other than MiG would do better repair. In general, it’s difficult to support Soviet equipment if you don’t have your own repair base. I I think that t anchor repair plants do not work for us. Only for the production of small arms and ammunition.
    1. pytar
      pytar 20 December 2017 21: 47
      +2
      There are companies in Bulgaria capable of repairing the MiG-29. True to certain limits. They supported in flight readiness all the Mikoyan modifications in service with the Air Force BG until recently. True, since the 3-4 years, this line has been frozen, since there were no spare parts in the warranty, and all MiG and 21-23 were removed from service. I had to look for foreign firms, such as Polish PWZ. They repaired the 6 engine and contract performance. Somewhere in other posts I wrote, on this topic. I do not want to repeat myself. The same Bulgarian companies repair Mi helicopters in Bulgaria, as subcontractor Milha. You are right about the problems of compatibility of former Soviet technology with NATO standards. The Bulgarian MiG-29 still do not have a NATO-compatible alien system. There will be new planes, but it will not be so soon. And that is not because of the lack of money! The problem there is different, but do not expand the topic. hi
  30. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 20 December 2017 19: 55
    0
    Here they are, in all their glory !!!
    Someone was talking about a gas pipe. Another reason to think again
    1. Bgfen
      Bgfen 20 December 2017 20: 07
      +2
      About pipes, the initial price increased several times and it became more expensive than the Nord Stream. And that’s all from the greed of Bulgarian companies and oligarchs, who were the definitions for the construction of the pipeline. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but it was like that - with the initial price of 2 billion euros , it became 4 billion euros. And then the former president Parvanov, who promoted this project from the Bulgarian country, said the oligarch, you so much increased the price of the project so that it would be a lie to billions that it became impossible. And now the Turks will sell us gas. Full g ... but as they say.
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    1. Bgfen
      Bgfen 20 December 2017 20: 54
      +1
      If it’s true, then I always thought that orders for the defense industry should not be subject to such strict control in court. You can even refuse to decide on complaints from the Ukrainian company. It’s only political PR of the minister. For defense, I have a special procurement regime, I know for sure and the possibility of lodging complaints in the competition commission is possible some garbage or some kind of political game from the opponents of the minister, who is favorably inclined towards Russia
  33. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 December 2017 20: 44
    0
    Honestly, I don’t understand why Bulgaria generally needs these fighters? No money for their operation, nor for repairs, nor the ability and desire to do it ... PPC.
    1. pytar
      pytar 20 December 2017 23: 05
      +2
      Wrong. There is money. Not only on updating the air force but also on the navy and ground forces. With 2018, a large-scale / country-size / conversion program begins. There will be difficulties of any nature, but Bulgaria has emerged from a lethargic dream.
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  36. dani
    dani 20 December 2017 21: 06
    +1
    Again about the Bulgarian MIG-29, and again the same evil spite of the Bulgarianophophobia!
    What nonsense, what limitless firethorn, what an overwhelming malice!
    No drops of reason, no skolnibud of knowledge!
    And UTB representatives, the Great Russian People, RUSSIA.
    Do these people of mine hope for an alternative to the GEOPOLITICAL HEGEMON?
    1. Bgfen
      Bgfen 20 December 2017 21: 44
      +1
      Don’t do this. Posturing yourself in their place. They have lost a lot, a lot, and if you ask them, who broke the friendship first, they don’t know. But in Bulgaria, how many people know about the decision of the Politburo of the CPSU with Gorbachev to cut off the economic ties between the USSR and Bulgaria. And who remembers how in Sofia at the last session of the CEB, Ryzhkov dispersed everything from the CEB, and then expelled Bulgaria from the Warsaw Pact. But such a fate is for those who lost the war. We also lost a lot, a lot, but in comparison with their losses...
      1. abc_alex
        abc_alex 20 December 2017 22: 19
        +2
        Friends, we are talking about the fact that Bulgaria is trying too hard to sit on two chairs and banally neglects the norms of good manners in relations with Russia.

        The story with the MiGs did not begin today. Back in 2015, in the fall, Bulgaria, represented by your Minister of Defense, GORDO and GROMKO, refused MiG aircraft repair services and transferred the order to Poland. This was done PUBLICLY, deliberately to the public. Your Minister of Defense and the Minister of Defense of Poland made high-profile POLITICAL statements on this occasion, where they emphasized that they did it contrary to the resistance of the MiG and GSC.

        “This is not just an ordinary contract. For Bulgaria, this means a serious geopolitical decision. become independent from the Russian manufacturer. In a sense, this is a political decision, because we are members of NATO and the European Union, ”said Polish Minister of Defense Tomasz Semonyak.


        Why was this done SO? To humiliate GSK MiG and Russia? It is difficult to find other explanations.
        And here again. First you declare a contract, and then on a formal occasion you declare the transaction illegal. Thus, Bulgaria dishonors Russia and MiG by exposing them as participants in an ILLEGAL transaction. WHAT FOR? Why did the Bulgarian side violate their laws by concluding an agreement?

        And after all, MiG already supplies you with engines and repaired cars. But even after receiving them, Bulgaria manages to discredit the Russians. In September, the BNR reported a strike by pilots at the Graf-Ignatievo base, who allegedly refused to fly on Russian or Soviet-made aircraft, demanding an early receipt of the Gripenov.

        Excuse me, but are you kidding me? Why does any deal with Bulgaria end with the scandal and discredit of Russia?

        And note, when Poland urgently needed engines for its MiG-29, the Poles urgently bought two engines from the Russians without any competition. That was a year before Bulgaria’s first somersault.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 20 December 2017 22: 43
          0
          Bulgaria is trying to sit on two chairs and will only betray how such an opportunity appears ... which, with success, it did in 1 MV and 2MV. I hope that Russia has learned at least something in 100 years. There are fewer problems with the Turks than with Bulgaria.
        2. Bgfen
          Bgfen 20 December 2017 22: 46
          +1
          If so, as you say to the pilots, it’s good, it’s bad that in Bulgaria they say that the pilots refused to fly to the MiG, because the commission that received the engines from Russia refused to accept them because of a lack of documentation and documentation. They said that they don’t fly in order to exert pressure on the commission and she will turn a blind eye to the passes of a real intermediary. And now, it would be important to fly only those planes that made repairs in Poland, I don’t know. I know that in contracts, intermediaries are only close to the authorities and these deals are mainly for stealing state funds, the army is the most concern last. If it weren’t, then the planes would fly. We have everything in the hands of the oligarchs and if they fail to seduce 2/3 of the state order, then this state order fails. But this is the way all states have oligarchs who have power.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 20 December 2017 22: 57
            0
            4 generation aircraft (5 even more expensive) are very expensive and not all countries can support them. Go to Training Aircraft ... Bulgaria has no enemies on its borders.
          2. abc_alex
            abc_alex 20 December 2017 23: 37
            +1
            It turned out that there was no strike at all. Your military yourself almost immediately denied the newspaper reports. It turned out that the motors delivered from Russia were working properly, and the planes repaired by the Russians were just waiting for the originals of the accompanying documents to come from Russia. But the newspapers had already spread this lie by then.

            And it is one thing when they steal, and another thing when, time after time, transactions end in scandal and a DEMONSTRATIVE spit in the Russians from Bulgaria.
        3. pytar
          pytar 20 December 2017 23: 13
          +2
          Friends, we are talking about the fact that Bulgaria is trying too hard to sit on two chairs and banally neglects the norms of good manners in relations with Russia.

          In fact, you do not know the real situation. It is clear that judge everything from Russian-language media. You should also understand that they are not entirely objective, especially when it comes to commercial interests. I do not want to go into details, but the case of the Polsha repair was one of the most misrepresented. It is clear why ... If you want to know the truth without propaganda, then set yourself one simple rule - Bulgarians are such normal people as Russians. Neither worse nor better. And if Russia may have its own legitimate interests, then Bulgaria may have such, despite the difference in scale! At the same time, these interests are purely politically and commercially, with us you can differ!
          1. abc_alex
            abc_alex 20 December 2017 23: 47
            +1
            Well, I brought specific quotes and facts. Isn’t something there true?

            I am not opposed to the fact that the Bulgarians and Bulgaria have their own interests, I can’t understand why it is necessary to realize these interests every time at the expense of Russia and Russians? Not even a MiG-29. Remember the South Stream, nuclear power plant, oil pipeline. All this cost Russia millions. Yes, Bulgaria has shown independence (or dependence on Brussels and Washington?), But why, to the detriment of Russia?
            If you do not like cooperation with Russia, why start it? Why settle for South Stream, and then block it? Why did you need to start building a nuclear power plant, and then throw the Russians out of the building? And again with the MiGs, why start? Or is your interest in discrediting Russia with all its might and harming Russia and the Russians? Is this "purely political and commercial interests"?

            I admit that the information is misrepresented by the media, but the facts remain facts: every time a deal with Bulgaria turns into a trap from which Russia gets out and is worn out with losses.
            1. pytar
              pytar 21 December 2017 00: 37
              +2
              Well, I brought specific quotes and facts. Isn’t something there true?

              You know ... in the des-information ocean, you can find all sorts of quotes and all sorts of "facts"! For each opposite hardening according to 1000!
              That's what I say that you do not understand, because you DO NOT KNOW! And you do not know for one very simple reason! The reason is that whoever has more financial resources has at his disposal and a much more powerful information resource.! And he substitutes the flow of information, which flows everywhere from his own interests! Of course to the detriment of objectivity! This is true for all the projects you are talking about! An example - the very same stream that is already annoying to everyone in South Yes, Gazprom at capitalization costs 10 times more than the whole of Bulgaria! Of course, that they will inspire what is beneficial to him, and not the Bulgarian Truth! No matter how close it is to Truth than Gazprom's, the Bulgarian truth has little chance to bring to you how it really is! And you will listen to Gazprom and you will believe in it! Nothing in Russia, like in all the powerful capitalist countries of the world, manipulating information is a strategic weapon! I am surprised when I talk with Russians, how can you be so gullible? How do you believe that "your" companies, capitalists and oligarchs who are behind these things, will tell you so frankly and honestly? What mistakes, shortcomings and stupid things do sometimes! Do you believe in seriosis that they are all such holy angels? What are they soooo good-naturedly want to do good to themselves and the Bulgarians, no! Do these corrupt, insidious "bros" always put sticks in the wheels of Russia? I quote your magnificent conclusions: “by all means to discredit Russia and harm Russia and the Russians”, “Why agree to the South Stream, and then block it”, “Thus, Bulgaria disgraces Russia”, etc. etc.! At least for a moment it didn’t occur to you that such a thing could not be? After all, a normal person will not think that everyone is bad, but he alone is beautiful in the world ?! I don’t go into details, although for each of the cases related to Bulgaria, I’m much better informed than most of the Russians! This is due to the fact that for some of these projects I worked on a service and I know the details of the facts. Those facts that are in the folders, and not those that tell you on media! These are different things! hi
              1. Astoria
                Astoria 21 December 2017 00: 58
                +1
                I know, but I won’t tell, a kindergarten. laughing
              2. abc_alex
                abc_alex 21 December 2017 21: 55
                0
                I am pleased to read your facts. If you have reliable information, share it. I will not even require you to get facts from folders and show scans. Just tell me. I fully admit that our media are not objective, and distort something somewhere. But if you can give another explanation for the “games” of Bulgaria, I will be happy to read your opinion.

                And you have a strange logic, in your opinion, if a SOE has a large capitalization, is it not reprehensible to inflict direct economic damage on Russia? If Bulgaria is poorer, does this justify the fact that the damage to Rosatom due to the “games” over the construction of the Belen NPP unit amounted to more than 600 million euros?
                And the direct damage to Gazprom due to the rejection of the South Stream by Yulgaria amounts to billions of dollars. In Russia, an infrastructure of 13 billion euros was built for him! And then I had to pay compensation to European contractors in the amount of 1 billion euros. And just this year, the Italian contractor Saipem demanded another 759 million euros from Gazprom.

                Are you saying that Bulgaria is a poor country? So, in your opinion, for Russia, direct economic damage in the amount of almost 20 billion euros is a joke? You understand that you are not beating Russia and Russians virtually, but absolutely real.

                Explain how such kicks are justified in our stomach?
                1. pytar
                  pytar 22 December 2017 00: 39
                  0
                  Many times I wrote explanations on UP here at VO. Somewhere in this topic there is my comment. I do not want to repeat myself. My opinions are based on the fact that for 4 of the year I worked with the Bulgarian side on the project. In truth, not on the legal, but on the technical side / land route /. If you are interested, you can look at my page on VO in the section COMMENTS. There are no breaches of contracts with the Bulgarian side. If Bulgaria would have committed at least one non-compliance with the agreements with Gazprom, he would have condemned it to billions of dollars forfeit! Do not doubt it! The whole project in its form suffered from a bunch of flaws and miscalculations. The main fault is the leadership of Gazprom! It set political goals to the detriment of legal and technical ones. In general, all the hype in Russia against Bulgaria, Gazprom initiated to hide their flaws and blunders from society! By the way, the tone has recently changed and none of the Russian politicians are repeating that "Bulgaria failed the project."
                  If you remove the “presumption of guilt” of Bulgaria, everything will come to their places in a harmonious logical chain. It turns out that no Bulgaria kicked you in the stomach! But then you will have to admit that Gazprom and even the Russian government bear the blame. And this is "unacceptable."
                  In the section COMMENTS there is also Belene NPP. The most unfinished construction in the history of Bulgaria! By the way, Belene NPPs are still likely to be completed. Moreover, Rosatom will receive shares in the property as an investor. Negotiations are underway to attract other private investors. The Russians have already expressed a desire to participate.
    2. pytar
      pytar 21 December 2017 15: 06
      +1
      Again about the Bulgarian MIG-29, and again the very same evil Malgarophobia! What nonsense, what limitless firethorn, what an overwhelming malice! No drops of reason, no skolnibud of knowledge! And UTB representatives, the Great Russian People, RUSSIA. Do these people of mine hope for an alternative to the GEOPOLITICAL HEGEMON?

      dani, the first comments under the article, belongs to Mikhail m! I recall his text: "From the Bulgarian sovereignty, even shreds are left, they can’t solve a simple problem on their own"
      And this "comment" collected as many 49 classes up to the moment! More at times than any other! With the "content" of the comment itself, I will not deal with it. He is not worth my time. But the question comes in! Is it true that so many people have such a perverted "understanding" about the situation? What kind of virtual universe live ?! To go nuts! belay
  37. KaPToC
    KaPToC 20 December 2017 21: 32
    +1
    Quote: ZVO
    Anyone can complain to the antitrust service.

    I say - what a blatant lie - but you persist in your lies. It is clear that the manufacturer of the equipment should modernize, and not the “Armenian from Barnaul,” this issue has nothing to do with antitrust policy.
  38. kapitan92
    kapitan92 20 December 2017 21: 35
    +4
    Svarog51,
    This is true, there are many goals, but sometimes you remember the saying: - "do not touch ........ you will not smell"! They immediately complain, and we grab warnings. Alas!
    Basically you are right! hi
  39. kapitan92
    kapitan92 20 December 2017 21: 40
    +4
    Quote: ZVO
    Quote: kapitan92
    Quote: ZVO
    Stop stupid already ...

    Quote: ZVO
    Put a lot in your brain.

    Quote: ZVO
    Think with your head ...

    Hey! In this tone, "teach your wife how to cook cabbage soup" if you don’t immediately rake it!


    Learn the materiel!
    not knowing the materiel raking all his life!
    don't poke in there. where you are zero - life usually teaches people this in their youth.
    taught you nothing. Therefore, you are now zero ...

    Such is life and learn to admit your mistakes.

    Be a man - if you screwed up - confess your shoals. rather than threats do so. who poked you with your nose in your jambs ...

    Mowgli some ...
    Kindergarten. pancake...

    laughing wassat Arguments over !? The rest is all familiar! tongue
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 21 December 2017 07: 56
      +1
      Quote: kapitan92

      laughing wassat Arguments over !? The rest is all familiar! tongue


      Those. all that I painted about legal procedures passed your mind and understanding?
      You did not take it as arguments?
      You got the word Ukraine, you lowered your visor and rushed forward. without disassembling one’s own or another’s, insulting oneself, reaching the incitement to racial hostility in their texts ...
      don't you notice this?


      all clear...
      And about Mowgli and about kindergarten - I was not mistaken.
  40. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 20 December 2017 21: 55
    +1
    Ha ha. And now we do not need to deal with corrupt little brothers. Let them swarm under the Merkamers.
  41. faterdom
    faterdom 20 December 2017 22: 02
    +2
    The funniest thing will be when the EU, the USA and NATO as a whole bend down Bulgaria to give its MiGs to Ukraine for modernization. Because Ukraine really needs money, but just giving them the hell out of it, and their voters in the Americas-Germany are already squinting displeased.
    How well will modernization succeed, God knows if a plane with the big name "Bandera" and a heavy nose will come out again? But these will already be tomorrow’s questions, and now Ukraine really needs money ...
  42. Bgfen
    Bgfen 20 December 2017 22: 03
    +2
    That's what this tender says - For a sum of 40 million euros, you need to compete in four years flying 15 fighters for 390 hours of each fighter per weight period. At the same time you need to be prepared for 2/3 of the fighters. The price of one flying hour only for support from the MiG-a country is 7000 euros. The remaining overhaul life is 50%. In the previous tender, the co-driver won a contract for deliveries of several new engines and a KS - Military Ministry to announce a public support for the MiG-29 support
    The public sanction for the integrant is logistic support for 12 MiG-29A fighter and three broaching MiG-29UB aircraft announce the Ministry to be selected. The term is 48 months, and the forecasted stamina is 81 leva.
    Information is published on the website of the Agency for Public Relations.
    The integriranata is logistic support of a rag and restore the summer airworthiness on an airplane and yes you configure not less than 50% of the overhaul remaining on the equipment from the equipment on an airplane, which
    equip the equipment for disassembling the aggregate, the unit, drive in and details from the aircraft, engine RD-33, ser.2,
    cuts on the airplane KSA-2 and complete the drag of the system and elements.
    The trace of flying on summer flight on an integrant plane is logistic; support of a shake and configuration is generally valid. hour. For the most part, it is generally agreed that the integranat's logistic support is logistic; support of a shake; and osiguryava not less than 1% of a plane; but it is unbeatable.
  43. Bgfen
    Bgfen 20 December 2017 22: 34
    +2
    So I found where the Ukrainian company came from. There were two more months of the previous tender - the first to deliver 10 engines for MiGs from Russia, new or repaired for 20 million euros and for 7 KSA and other spare parts from Ukroboroneksport for 7 million euros. increases to 11500 euros for one hour, and the new Gripen were for 4500 dollars for one hour from fuel and the salary of service personnel. Not without reason, Czechs and Hungarians fly to Gripen-cheaper at times. When the Hungarians bought Gripen, then the Swedes built a factory for the electrician in exchange in Hungary - the plant produces under the brand name of Elektrolux and employs dozens of thousands of people. But we are not rich and cannot afford modern fighters, and those that we cannot operate because there is no money. Aviation is an expensive pleasure, four years in the air for 10 aircraft over 60 million euros, only service is 10% of all pensions for this period.
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex 20 December 2017 23: 59
      +1
      10 engines for MiGs from Russia, new or repaired for 20 million euros and for 7 KSA and other spare parts from Ukroboroneksport for 7 million euros. The support rises to 11500 euros for one hour, and the new Gripen were for 4500 dollars for one hour from fuel and the salary of service personnel. It is not for nothing that Czechs and Hungarians fly on Gripen-cheaper at times.


      So they are talking about that! Then they would immediately buy Gripeny and fly like Czechs and Hungarians for a penny! Nobody would say a word to you. Why was it to start all this circus tent with an "illegal contract"? Why do you consider shameful Russian acceptable? Because you are sure that we will not take revenge?
      1. pytar
        pytar 21 December 2017 13: 18
        +2
        Then they would immediately buy Gripeny and fly like Czechs and Hungarians for a penny!

        Yes, not so simple! Grippen is a very good somolet! According to its characteristics, it is ideal for Bulgaria. This is the opinion of most experts. The ego was defined at the end of 2016 as the main choice. But there are other opinions. One of the most interesting, gave the former commander-in-chief of the Air Force NSC / did not remember his name /. He believes that in general it is impossible to spend money on acquiring 4-th generation aircraft, despite how much 4 ++++ they have! Aircraft are expensive and must be adequate in their performance characteristics for a long period of time ahead! In his opinion, now it’s worth bringing our MiG-29 to its normal state and will continue to operate them until the 5-generation aircraft at affordable prices appear on the market! He endorses F-35, which by 2020-25 will cost no more than 80 million dollars. thing. Instead of buying the 32-36 Gripenna right now, it is probably better to wait a couple more years and save up money, buying about 20 F-35 along with 20-25 cheap subsonic M-346FA (Fighter Attack) for about. And so in the principle of all tenders in the world there are scandals and accusations of corruption schemes!
  44. puzan00
    puzan00 20 December 2017 22: 38
    +1
    Having such "little brothers" as Bulgarians and enemies is not necessary, Russia is always pulling these Judas out of the * ram, and these Judas only know how to betray ...
    1. Bgfen
      Bgfen 20 December 2017 23: 09
      +2
      Do not forget that the USSR was the first to break the friendship with Bulgaria and ruined both SEV and VD. And for twenty-five years, Russia has not done anything normal for rebuilding. It was only for signing a treaty that was beneficial for Russia for the first time. And Bulgaria’s external trade deficit to Russia was about 10 to 90 to crawl Russia. You don’t call such a country, your relationship with the Turks is much better. Rather, you are brothers with the Turks, and they were enemies to us, as they were, and maybe they will be, I don’t want to, of course, but don’t need to close eyes on the new Ottoman ambitions of Erdogan. I want us to be friends, but love for the Turks, we are very cautious because in the big politics of Russia I’m not sure that it will violate the interest of the Turks for the Bulgarians and we are forced to look for other allies. From humpback to this day You do not perceive Bulgaria as a friend, what you expect from us.
      1. Astoria
        Astoria 21 December 2017 00: 32
        0
        The Turks were original enemies, but at least they didn’t even beat in the back, we do not expect anything from Bulgaria, you will not be neutral - burn with the new masters.
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 21 December 2017 07: 59
          +1
          Quote: Astoria
          The Turks were original enemies, but at least they didn’t even beat in the back, we do not expect anything from Bulgaria, you will not be neutral - burn with the new masters.


          Well yes. a downed plane - not a stab in the back? ...
          Turks' campaigns to Moscow during other battles - didn’t they hit in the back?

          Learn the materiel ...
          Start developing your brain ...
          1. Astoria
            Astoria 21 December 2017 10: 14
            0
            Start developing your brain ...
            I'm surprised you are talking about what you do not have laughing
        2. pytar
          pytar 21 December 2017 13: 54
          +2
          The Turks were original enemies ..

          Have you been? Yes, they are now! And they will be! But situationally, for some time they can and "make friends" with Russia. Not a precedent! In history, and this happened.
      2. abc_alex
        abc_alex 21 December 2017 00: 36
        0
        Do not forget that the USSR fell apart, unlike Bulgaria. We survived the catastrophe of the 90s here, and then there was nothing for us here, and bandits with weapons walked along the streets, and the Parliament was shot by tanks. Not to Bulgaria was. Russia was on the brink of disaster.
        During this time, Bulgaria managed in 1996 to begin the process of joining NATO and finish it in 2004. NATO is military bloc, which has a pronounced aggressive character and anti-Russian orientation. You understand that if NATO decides to start a war with Russia tomorrow, you will kill the Russians on orders from Brussels and Washington. Or help kill Russian other NATO members.
        How do we be here in relation to you? Love you? Be friends with you? Bulgaria held two world wars in the camp of the enemies of Russia and now there. You are not “forced to look for other allies”; you have already found them! And these are the Turks as well! After all, you are in the military bloc with them! How are you afraid of the Turks, if you are with them military allies!
        Are you not sure about Big Russian politics? But what has Russia done? Not fulfilled contracts for the construction of nuclear power plants? Didn’t put motors to your planes? Or she suddenly indicated that
        interests are purely politically and commercially, you and I can differ!

        Or is Russia FORBIDDEN to have its own interests, and should it sacrifice itself for the sake of those who then either spit in the back, or join the enemy, or dishonor the whole world?

        And the Turks ... Turkey is a large country with key geo-strategic importance in the region. And most importantly, speaking with Turkey, you can talk with the Turks, unlike Bulgaria, whose opinion is changing, as soon as some second-rate US politician arrives there. The Turks have their own clear interests that are permanent. And the interests of Bulgaria depend on the mood of the next functionary from Brussels or some state McCain.
        1. pytar
          pytar 21 December 2017 11: 20
          +2
          Do not forget that the USSR fell apart, unlike Bulgaria. We survived the disaster of the 90’s here, and then there was nothing for us here, and bandits with weapons walked along the streets,

          As a result of the collapse of the socialist community and the USSR, yours, Gorbi and Yeltsin, Bulgaria, the former most loyal ally of the USSR and having an economy based on 90% oriented towards the Soviet Union, was in a complete trap! The government in 90, declared a moratorium on payments of external debt / bankruptcy /. All that you had was banidites, maidan, etc. and we had it.
          Not to Bulgaria was. Russia was on the brink of disaster.

          We understood and watched in horror! Many Bulgarians did not believe their eyes! They simply believed that such a “cannot be” and an event was being held in Russia to mislead the imperialists.
          During this time, Bulgaria managed in the 1996 year to begin the process of joining NATO and finish it in the 2004 year. NATO is a military bloc with a pronounced aggressive character and anti-Russian orientation.

          Direction to NATO, Russian diplomats indicated Bulgaria in plain text! At that time, the Russian Federation was friends with the West and was about to enter NATO! After 90-th Russia never gave Warranty on the territorial integrity of Bulgaria! Bloodshed on the Balkans, and 8 million. Bulgaria borders on 80 million. Turkey! 1,5 million Turks and Gypsies live in Bulgaria. They went to the Maidan in the squares! We had no choice but to enter NATO! Opponents of NAT understood this in Bulgaria!
          You understand that if NATO decides to start a war with Russia tomorrow, you will kill the Russians

          And you understand that the war between Russia and NATO is fundamentally impossible! Because it will be a thermonuclear war and the whole planet will die! And we will not kill Russians for other reasons ... We do not consider Russian strangers.
          https://www.fondsk.ru/news/2017/09/21/global-rese
          arch-bolgary-otkazalis-streljat-v-russkih-na-uche
          nijah-nato-44686.html
          How do we be here in relation to you? Love you? Be friends with you?

          Work! Need to work! On improving relations, including general friendly forums! We are the closest historically, culturally and ethnically peoples! A lot of things connect us!
          Bulgaria held two world wars in the camp of the enemies of Russia and now there.

          These are different wars and their situations were different! In WWI, not Bulgaria was on the side of the enemies of Russia, but Russia was on the side of the worst enemies of Bulgaria! In WWII, Bulgaria had no choice! Being between 600 thousand. invincible before that / 01.03.1941 g. / German army from the north and 500 thousand. Turkish south, the Bulgarians with their 100 thousand. poorly armed army weren’t any chance to resist. At that time we had in stocks of shells how many for 1-2 exercises. Or we enter the Tristran pact or we are occupied in 2 days. Nazis and Turks! And at that time the USSR and Germany had a non-aggression pact! The trains from the USSR loaded from harsh walked to the German Reich!
          Be objective and you will be treated better!
          You are not “forced to look for other allies”; you have already found them! And these are the Turks as well! After all, you are in the military bloc with them! How afraid you are of the Turks, if you are military allies with them!

          In Bulgarian 13 century-old history, the "allies" have repeatedly attacked us! Turkey is always dangerous for everyone! And although we are from the Turks to NATO, this does not stop Russia from embracing Erdogan and selling weapons to him! It is strange that the Russians look at Bulgaria as an enemy, and almost like Turkey as an ally! Time will tell how terribly wrong Russia is!
          And the interests of Bulgaria depend on the mood of the next functionary from Brussels or some state McCain.

          Everyone has their own interests! Not everyone succeeds in spacing them! This applies especially to small countries. Bulgaria is trying to protect its own, while at the same time geographically at the crossroads of interests! Do not judge and will not be judged!
  45. AID.S
    AID.S 20 December 2017 22: 44
    0
    A complaint to the Competition Commission was filed by a Ukrainian company ...

    I won’t eat, so I bite. Trying to pile on the rug, even the Bulgarians. laughing laughing
    And a bunch of photos from the portfolio with the Croatian MiG-21.
  46. kapitan92
    kapitan92 20 December 2017 22: 55
    +6
    pytar,
    Quote: pytar
    I can’t forget the attitude of the BULGARIAN AUTHORITIES towards our monuments,
    Would you be in Bulgaria, could you not notice In what excellent condition are all the Russian / Soviet monuments


    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 20 December 2017 22: 59
      +2
      I’m saying, don’t be deceived about the little brothers ... in case of an attack on us they will be the first in punitive units (not in combat units) ....
      1. dubovitskiy.1947
        dubovitskiy.1947 20 December 2017 23: 37
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        I’m saying, don’t be deceived about the little brothers ... in case of an attack on us they will be the first in punitive units (not in combat units) ....

        The reserves of Iskander have been allocated for them.
    2. dani
      dani 21 December 2017 00: 23
      +1
      Dear
      I can’t ask:
      How many times, and at what times, were you in Bulgaria?
      How many and which Memorials of the Russian and Red Army and in which city or village did you visit in My Homeland?
      Probably you never were in Sofia, our capital, otherwise they did not talk .......
      There is probably no other state in the world in which on both sides of the PARLIAMENT stood two symbols of Friendship and People’s Love, namely:
      Monument to Tsar the Liberator
      и
      Monument-Church ALEXANDER NEVSKY
    3. pytar
      pytar 21 December 2017 00: 49
      +3
      In Bulgaria there is 530 monument of Russia / USSR! 1-place in the world! + 1-2 new every year!
      Painting "Soviet" monuments - 7-8 cases for 15 years! Usually the night when there is no one! Case for 3-15 min. These are orders from those for which you are writing nonsense kapitan92! They give you the "material" and you replicate it!
      In Russia during this time, more than 100 monuments and courthouse values ​​were destroyed! Kebabs on an eternal flame fried and wrote on pedestals!
      Calm down people! Stop writing nonsense! [
  47. dubovitskiy.1947
    dubovitskiy.1947 20 December 2017 23: 11
    +1
    Quote: pytar
    These sultates have had you for centuries!

    And you too. 300 years.

    You are mistaken. Raiding is not constant pressure. The conquerors and I lived apart. They were not in our cities. These times we were at enmity with each other. Some bastards hired Tatars to seize power. Then the others. Until you understand, there is no way out of this. And a new generation appeared that did not know that the Tatars were invincible.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 20 December 2017 23: 16
      0
      And the Tatars were not always strong ... at some point, the tops could not, but the lower classes did not want. But thanks to the Tatars and the land, the Russians united around Moscow.
      1. dubovitskiy.1947
        dubovitskiy.1947 21 December 2017 00: 18
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        And the Tatars were not always strong ... at some point, the tops could not, but the lower classes did not want. But thanks to the Tatars and the land, the Russians united around Moscow.

        Totally agree.
        The Germans wrote lies about the Tatar yoke. Already then, the goal was to split Russia.
  48. dani
    dani 21 December 2017 00: 01
    +1
    Eastern sages say, as if everyone is looking at the same thing, but why do we see different things!
    Is it so difficult to see that the matter here is not about Mig, not at all about the failed state 404.
    Everything is so simple:
    If the Bulgarian Air Force does not have air defense (MIG29), then NATO (USA and US F22, F35) will "guard" the Bulgarian Airspace, and it borders on .......!
    Our country (maybe even the EU) is not a party to the Coming Global Confrontation, but will be involved in a large Regional-Global Conflict.
    So the Ministry of Defense sincerely seeks to restore the combat readiness of the Bulgarian MIG29 as quickly as possible!
    Ukraine is another matter, it’s good to beat it if all the Bulgarians understood that “our friends” from Kiev are preparing us.
    Once with the stream, now ........!
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 December 2017 00: 35
      0
      This will end. It will be funny if it will be the Turks (because of their proximity) of the Russian Federation there is no difference between Bulgaria or the Pole will sit at the helm.
  49. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 21 December 2017 00: 11
    0
    pytar,
    Quote: pytar
    These sultates have had you for centuries!

    And you too. 300 years.


    US others. Those who are us, they all died long ago.
    1. pytar
      pytar 21 December 2017 13: 32
      +1
      US others. Those who are us, they all died long ago.

      Who doesn’t matter! The bottom line is the action itself ...!
      Yes, all die sooner or later ... We survived many of the "great" ones. We are, but they are not. We survive and etim. wink
  50. Astoria
    Astoria 21 December 2017 00: 28
    0
    Vlad.by,
    There is no money, but it is possible on credit (especially second-hand) - for April of this year, the purchase of F-16 was considered.
    Then one wise guy tore all the holes trying to prove with saliva that this is a normal procedure, public procurement, terms of reference, etc. But pay attention to what the Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria said, a company from Ukraine does not have the competencies to carry out repairs; accordingly, they would not be able to participate in the tender.
    1) First assumption - the Bulgarian Ministry of Defense was not going to arrange a tender having its own reasons for this (possibly corruption). And if they were to conduct it according to the law, then why did they come to direct negotiations without a tender.
    2) The second assumption is that they will arrange anti-Russian noise and blink the blinks under this matter.
    1. pytar
      pytar 21 December 2017 13: 38
      +2
      There is no money, but it is possible on credit (especially second-hand) - for April of this year, the purchase of F-16 was considered.

      All possible options are considered!
      1) The first assumption is that the Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria did not intend to arrange a tender having its own reasons for this .... And if they were to conduct it by law, then why did they enter into direct negotiations without a tender.

      Because, the law allows Under certain conditions, go to direct negotiations, without a tender!
      2) The second assumption is that they will arrange anti-Russian noise and blink the blinks under this matter.

      No anti-Russian noise is observed! And Mig-i will write off when the time comes for their "retirement". They already served for many years in the Bulgarian Air Force!
      1. Astoria
        Astoria 21 December 2017 13: 59
        0
        1) Do not tear the body parts to the British flag, it is enough to look at the contents of newspaper articles on this topic over the past few years to understand what tangle of interests there, including small-town ones, to cut the budget.

        2) The Bulgarian Ministry of Defense could avoid verification problems by arranging a tender without direct negotiations, but instead it turned out a circus with horses. Are there really no legal consultants in the Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria or are they so unprofessional.

        3) Each country should have its own interests, but not all countries can afford to have them. Bulgaria depends on Brussels and Washington, and thank God, leave the tales about the independent foreign and economic policies of Bulgaria for your electorate.

        4) The Russians are not enthusiastic about expanding cooperation with Turkey, and there is no faith in the Turks. But there is no faith for the Bulgarians either - they set up a NATO base, drew a cross on their forehead in case of war.
        1. pytar
          pytar 21 December 2017 14: 29
          +2
          1) ... it’s enough to browse the contents of newspaper articles on this topic over the past few years to understand what tangle of interests there, including small-town ones, to cut the budget.

          Yes, who argue! Where there is money, there are all other vices! It is so in the Russian Federation! I read mostly Russian newspapers!
          2) The Bulgarian Defense Ministry could have avoided verification problems by arranging a tender without direct negotiations ... Are there really no legal consultants in the Bulgarian Defense Ministry or are they so unprofessional.

          Everything is prescribed in the laws! And they did everything according to the law! It’s just that you don’t know Bulgarian laws, for that you make such assumptions!
          3) Each country .... has its own interests, but not all countries can afford to have them. Bulgaria depends on Brussels and Washington ....

          2 / 3 of the world depends on Fashington, and the whole of Europe on Bruxelles! Even the Russian Federation depends on one or another level! The second and third in the world in terms of economic power of the country - Japan and Germany, are totally dependent on the United States! Everyone is trying to defend their interests, as far as possible! All powerful countries are trying to gain influence over small countries. Russia is doing the same!
          4) The Russians are not enthusiastic about expanding cooperation with Turkey, and there is no faith in the Turks. But there is no faith for the Bulgarians either - they set up a NATO base, drew a cross on their forehead in case of war.

          There’s no reason for Buzz! The Turks are stuffed with American buzz and objects! Of all the countries of eastern Europe, the military infrastructure of Nata in Bulgaria is the most insignificant. The main American bases in Southeastern Europe and Asia Minor, in Greece, in Pristina / Kossovo /, in Romania / ABM / and in Turkey / Incirlik /. The Americans themselves openly admit that they do not go too far in Bulgaria, so as not to arouse anti-American sentiments, knowing about the Russophilism of the Bulgarians!
          1. Astoria
            Astoria 21 December 2017 15: 01
            0
            1)
            Yes, who argue! Where there is money, there are all other vices! It is so in the Russian Federation! I read mostly Russian newspapers!
            for the sake of variety, look at other newspapers, google to help you.

            2)
            Everything is prescribed in the laws! And they did everything according to the law! It’s just that you don’t know Bulgarian laws, for that you make such assumptions!
            - Listen You are not a child, yesterday there was a single woodpecker and so the brain went on with all its knowledge of the law.
            And here is the law, they say to you in black and white, the form of the procedure was chosen in such a way as to be challenged, for this a party is chosen that is not competent at all (for example, Ukraine), and in the end, after verification, the contract will be received by the local office of the Horn and Hooves. And what she will do is another question.

            3)
            2 / 3 of the world depends on Fashington, and the whole of Europe on Bruxelles! Even the Russian Federation depends on one or another level! The second and third in the world in terms of economic power of the country - Japan and Germany, are totally dependent on the United States! Everyone is trying to defend their interests, as far as possible! All powerful countries are trying to gain influence over small countries. Russia is doing the same!
            - This is all very sweet, but the contracts that Bulgaria refused, in favor of buns unknown to the public, trumpet that Bulgaria does not have its own foreign and economic policies. Do not replace Brussels' policies with those of Sofia (namely, its absence).

            4) Firstly, no one said that NATO facilities in Turkey ceased to be targets for the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation, and secondly
            The Americans themselves openly admit that they do not go too far in Bulgaria, so as not to arouse anti-American sentiments, knowing about the Russophilism of the Bulgarians!
            and therefore preparations are underway for the construction of a new naval base. laughing
            1. pytar
              pytar 21 December 2017 16: 54
              +1
              for the sake of variety, look at other newspapers, google to help you.

              I probably / from modesty / missed noting that I read information in several languages. I crawl all the popular search engines. The problem is not a lack of information, but an overabundance of information. What to ask about the verification of its reliability.
              ... And here is the law, they say to you in black and white, the form of the procedure was chosen in such a way as to be challenged, for this a party is chosen that is not competent at all (for example, Ukraine) ....

              Kka once the law and! And so: 1. You do not know Bulgarian laws. I know them / not only Bulgarian / and I work with him every day. 2. A statement about the intentional choice of an inappropriate procedure is, to put it mildly ... unrealistic. Of course, the opinions are commenting, maybe beyond the bounds of science fiction! The law clearly spells out what and how is being done! In all procedures, a multi-step check is carried out, from the side are numerous bodies and authorities. Including from parliament. At the 2 playground construction contest, a bunch of control bodies are competing who will find a mistake, and here ... the military order! This is you child if you believe in such nonsense!
              ... but the contracts that Bulgaria refused, in favor of the unknown ....

              What contracts are you talking about? Can you be more specific?
              no one said that NATO facilities in Turkey ceased to be targets for the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation, and secondly, and therefore, preparations are underway for the construction of a new naval base.

              Each NATO object is under the sights of the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation and each object of the Russian Federation is under the scope of the NATO nuclear weapons. Both of them build buzz after buzz! They cost more than the nuclear weapons that are designed to destroy them. Suppose that each other start to be crazy! Neither bases nor humanity will remain. Therefore, nothing of the kind will happen. The whole idea is that the enemy needs a living! To cut money from defense budgets! laughing
              1. Astoria
                Astoria 21 December 2017 18: 55
                0
                1) I am glad that you speak several languages, but this was your comment:
                I read mostly Russian newspapers!

                2)
                1. You do not know Bulgarian laws.
                - Ok, if you know the laws, it’s not a question, nobody pulled you by the tongue in order to stop further disputes - please describe why from a legal point of view and based on the letter of the law on public procurement Bulgarian lawyers took legal risk and did not hold a tender, going straight to the negotiations, and substituting himself and the deal. In my opinion, if yesterday’s students from Bulgaria do not work, it’s either intent or incompetence.

                3) Contracts - South Stream, for example. They put pressure on Sofia - she caved in. I do not blame the Bulgarians for this, they just decide for you in Brussels (https://jamestown.org/program/bulgaria-suspends-
                south-stream-as-the-ruling-coalition-falls-apart /
                # .VJB05ntziT8) or Washington. And this means that Bulgaria is not a subject of politics, but an object. What they say in the regional committee will do.

                4)
                Every object
                - you said this, since each object, this is a toilet in the field, but Incirlik is a clear target.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 21 December 2017 20: 33
                  0
                  I read mostly Russian newspapers!

                  В Basically Russian don't mean only one Russian! smile
                  describe pliz why from a legal point of view and based on the letter of the law on public procurement

                  From a legal point of view, and the corresponding members of the laws, the lawyers of the MO will give an answer as expected. This is their task. I determine my opinion on the basis of public information. According to the statement m. Kr.Karakachanova, "the Ukrainian company was not invited, since it does not have a license for this type of work". We do not know the conditions and parameters of the order. If judged by the words of the minister, then explicit and prerequisite there was a license for this type of work! In this case, the circle of possible participants is narrowed only to the MiG RSK. With the provision that no one else answers the terms of the order, according to the law, the customer has the right to go to direct negotiations with that single candidatewhich meets the conditions. The conditions themselves are made by the customer depending on the needs. They are determined by competent technical specialists, on the basis of the analysis of the state of the object of the order and plans for its use. The customer may not set conditions for a license! He decides what he needs and what risk he can take. The Ukrainian company, not having the right to participate in the absence of licenses, is attacking the very conditions for the competition through the Competition Protection Commission! She motivates her complaint as follows: "The license condition eliminates all but the RSK MiG monopolist"! Ukroboronprom believes that the principle of freedom of competition is violated! It essentially disputes the right of the customer to set conditions for participation, which lead to the absence of competitors! According to the minister, such a complaint is completely untenable and aims to slow down the procedures. The condition for having a license gives a guarantee that the contractor will do his job better than someone who does not have a license! "There is a script for sabotage" - I quote Minister Karakachanova.
                  3) Contracts - South Stream, for example. They put pressure on Sofia - she caved in.

                  A very long topic of conversation. And extremely misrepresented in the media! I wrote on it many times / including in VO / and I don’t want to repeat it again. I’ll say a very briefly: They really pressed on Bulgaria. With Washington and with the EC. They put pressure not so much on abandoning UP, but so that together with Gazprom they brought the project in line with the European antitrust laws. Gazprom was not happy with the conditions and he stopped the project. Bulgaria never refused to execute it, even a year and a half after the release of Gazprom, work continued in the hope that the EU and the Russian Federation would agree.
                  you said this, since each object, this is a toilet in the field, well, and Incirlik is a clear target

                  Each military object. Someone who is bigger and more important - bam with nuclear weapons, who is smaller - bam, bam ... with small bombs. Everyone has excess bombs and enough toilets! If it is painted in green, it will probably get bruised. What causes a bad smell, along with radiation from nuclear weapons. And so the whole planet will die. Some from radiation, some from bad smell and radiation. crying
                  1. Astoria
                    Astoria 21 December 2017 21: 42
                    0
                    Provided that no one else answers the terms of the order, by law, the customer has the right to proceed to direct negotiations with the only candidate whom he answers on the terms. The conditions themselves are made by the customer depending on the needs.
                    So, in a highly politicized issue, the Bulgarian Defense Ministry decides not to hold a tender, but to go to direct negotiations - this is a legal risk, and the Defense Ministry took it, let's see what it will lead to.

                    As for South Stream - at that time, the following events were the final salvo: European Commission started an infringement procedure against Bulgaria over South Stream and suspended nearly 2 billion euros ($ 2.6 billion) of EU funds for several major programs - Bulgaria had no and no political weight in order to defend the gas pipeline (pay attention to Germany’s actions to counter Brussels regarding the use of the third energy package), Gazprom realizing this - refused to build. Bulgaria did not refuse - Bulgaria simply could not defend its rights, something like this.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 22 December 2017 00: 04
                      0
                      So, in a highly politicized issue, the Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria decides not to hold a tender but rather to go to direct negotiations ...

                      I repeat, but it seems to me that you are inattentively reading! MO acts in strict compliance with the Law! It’s so spelled out! The technical committee for determining the parameters of the conditions considered that for such repairs in the planned volumes, the contractor must have a license! This is the so-called technical task. And since no one except the RSK MiG has a license for the specified type of activity, he alone answers on the terms of the competition. In such cases, the law should go to direct negotiations with a single candidate. Everything is as easy as shelling pears! request
                      Gazprom, realizing this, refused construction. Bulgaria did not refuse - Bulgaria simply could not defend its rights, somehow.

                      And here we are talking about compliance with the laws! In the EU, European laws take precedence over national ones! If Gazprom and Bulgaria gathered to build an object on the territory of Bulgaria, then they should have done it according to European laws! By the way, our experts warned the Russians about the risks from the very beginning! Gazprom has decided to circumvent European legislation. It was not possible, as the United States got agitated and involved the EC! Biden came to Bulgaria to warn the Bulgarian government of the consequences! Which "choice" does Bulgaria have? All the same, he will build a gas pipeline together with Gazprom and will receive large drafts of the size of half a million euros, and, moreover, the reinstallation of subsidies from the EU! By the time the project was stopped, Bulgaria received about 8 billion euros, and 8 was to be received! Abandoning them is a disaster for the Bulgarian economy! But this is not all negatives! I miss the probable US actions in Bulgaria. I’m only talking about the EU! Let’s say that all the same, Bulgaria and Gazprom would continue the construction of the UP despite the EC! The pipe would stretch to the border of Serbia, from where it would continue to ... Hungary! Also a country member of the EU! And there would be the same problems! It is unlikely that Hungary will miss it further! Behind her, Austria is also a member of the EU! With the EU’s invariably restrictive position, the pipeline would never have reached the main consumers in the EU, from where it had to realize all the profits! And Bulgaria together with Gazprom would end up with one useless pipe and catastrophic financial losses! This whole project is a huge Gazprom flaw! Gazprom blame for its failure is undeniable! All the anti-Bulgarian hype in the Russian media for this reason has the purpose of hiding Gazprom’s blunders and mistakes and reducing its image losses! EU rules matter in the EU! Like someone else or not, it doesn’t matter. This is the whole story.
                      1. Astoria
                        Astoria 22 December 2017 00: 46
                        0
                        Mr., comrade, master - you weren’t bitten by a chance, the Bulgarian Ministry of Defense says the Bulgarian Ministry of Defense chose the direct negotiation procedure (an alternative is suggested, that is, they could hold a tender), so I repeat once again that conducting direct negotiations in a highly politicized process erroneously carried legal risk.

                        That you are attached to the Russian media, if for you this is the only window to the world, then I did not give you an example of a single Russian media.

                        This whole project is a huge Gazprom flaw! Gazprom blame for its failure is undeniable! All the anti-Bulgarian hype in the Russian media for this reason has the purpose of hiding Gazprom’s blunders and mistakes and reducing its image losses!
                        - In your opinion, Gazprom is to blame for the fact that poor Bulgaria is unable to defend its interests, and this only confirms once again that it is not worth dealing with objects of politics.

                        You know, many Russians believe that the liberation from fascism of the countries of Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria was done in vain - I do not share their point of view, but in each of your lines I see that Russia is to blame for everything. God is your judge hi
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 22 December 2017 10: 53
                        0
                        Mr., comrade, master - you weren’t bitten by chance, on the site ... it is written that the Bulgarian Ministry of Defense chose the direct negotiation procedure (an alternative is suggested, that is, they could have held a tender) ... direct negotiations in an extremely politicized process erroneously carried legal risk .

                        Common with Ukrainians and Russians, I categorically understood that this is one people. On the basis of bites and reactions understood! laughing All pseudo-historical theses about the exclusivity of "Ukrainians" have no basis.
                        Astoria, you read but clearly do not understand what is written! "Chose" does not mean that the choice is made on the stage of "selection of the executor"! What procedure this choice will go on depends on the terms of the technical task / conditions for technical work /! The choice is whether you need a license or not! We considered that we needed and in view of the presence of only one candidate answering the conditions, we switched to direct negotiations with him! Which is foreseen by law! Between whom to choose and which tender to conduct, if there is only one candidate? I think we should not argue. We will wait until more official information arrives from the Bulgarian departments.
                        In your opinion, Gazprom is to blame for the fact that poor Bulgaria is unable to defend its interests, and this only confirms once again that it is not worth dealing with objects of politics.

                        Bulgaria is poor, but it is developing normally. About some economic results, I wrote in more detail above in the comments. Many will be surprised when they learn what is at stake. To defend your interests does not mean that it should be due to a violation of European laws, which Bulgaria itself has adopted! Gazprom has its own fault and deny it is not serious.
                        You know, many Russians believe that the liberation from fascism of the countries of Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria was done in vain - I do not share their point of view ...

                        I know. I also know about the point of view prevailing in Eastern European countries. My opinion is that the USSR, even if it did not want to, should have occupied Eastern Europe. Otherwise, it would be occupied by the West, as happened after the 90. In the eyes of many East Europeans, having driven out the Nazis, the USSR found itself in the role of an "occupier." They probably have some basis, because on the Red Army’s ropes, a foreign social system was introduced into the BE, which they never accepted. It fundamentally changed their traditional way of life and their development. It so happened that in their eyes one evil was replaced by another. I’m not going to argue, because in this case each case has its own truth.
                        but in each of your lines I see that Russia is to blame for everything.

                        Wrong impression! I am hereditary Russophile! But I can’t speak black - white and white - black! I do not accept the postulates that "Russia is always right"! This is simply not true! And the question is not about Russia as a state and about Russians as a people, but about the actions of some oligarchic circles in Russia that are moving away from their narrow corporate interests.
                        God is your judge

                        God is the judge of all!