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Anton Denikin: not a drop of the leader

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The anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution (and for someone the coup d'état carried out by the hirelings of the German General Staff) clearly demonstrated the division into reds and whites that was not overcome in society.

A figure of Trotsky pours oil on the fire, with which the entire series on the central channel is dedicated. In this regard, it is worth talking about the role of the individual in stories. Take the same Trotsky or Lenin, Budyonny, Voroshilov, Dumenko, Kikvidze, Mironov. These very different people share a common trait: they were ready to go and die for them. They had the ability to light their hearts with faith in the rightness of their cause. Undoubtedly, these Bolshevik military leaders and politicians had charisma, multiplied - in the case of Lenin and Trotsky - by the ruthlessness of enemies. And this led the Reds to victory.

In recent decades, much has been written about the leaders of the White movement, reprinting their memoirs, diaries. Historians, analyzing the reasons for the defeat of the forces of counter-revolution, draw attention to many factors: military, political, economic. However, in my opinion, one of the key reasons for the defeat of the White movement lies in the factor of the leader. From April 1918 to April 1920, the combined forces of the counter-revolution in southern Russia were led by Lieutenant-General Anton Denikin. He turned out to be the most successful White Guard commander who managed to bring his army almost to Moscow.

Hero but not leader

Eyewitnesses recalled: Denikin did not bow to the bullets in either the Russian-Japanese or the First World War or the Civil War, did not hide behind others' backs, in the days of the Novorossiysk tragedy in March 1920 didn’t enter the ship sailing to the Crimea last one. During the Second World War he lived in poverty, but refused to cooperate with the Germans, died a staunch opponent of the Bolsheviks in a situation where many emigrants, impressed by the success of the Red Army, were ready to accept Soviet power.

It would seem that adamant towards enemies, ascetic in everyday life, a brave and honest general, who did not change his convictions under the blows of fate, is a charismatic person. He was even at one time, when the whites attained considerable military successes in the south of Russia, they were called “Tsar Anton”. But was Denikin a "king" in the eyes of his closest associates, or at least the lower ranks?

Anton Ivanovich was publicly criticized by subordinate generals, say, Peter Wrangel, allowed him to be treated in a rude manner (Mikhail Drozdovsky), did not fully execute his operational orders (Don Commander Vladimir Sidorin).

Denikin was not able to maintain faith in himself with the overwhelming majority of officers, some of whom were popular with Wrangel, who left a curious characteristic of the commander in chief: “As I watched General Denikin, his appearance became more and more clear to me. One of our most outstanding generals, remarkable abilities, possessing extensive military knowledge and great combat experience, he during the Great War deservedly moved forward among military leaders. Subsequently, in the role of the Chief of Staff of the Supreme Commander at the beginning of the troubles, he honestly and courageously tried to stop the collapse in the army, rally ... all the Russian officers. He was fluent in words, his speech was strong and imaginative. At the same time, speaking with the troops, he did not know how to capture the hearts of the people. His appearance ... he resembled the average man in the street. He did not have everything that affects the crowd, lights the hearts and captures the souls. Having made his way through the army only through knowledge and work, he developed his own and a certain view on the conditions and phenomena of life, firmly and definitely held this view, excluding all that, as it seemed to him, is outside these indisputable truths for him.

The son of an army officer, who himself spent most of his service in the army, he, being at its top, retained many of the characteristics of his environment — provincial, petty-bourgeois, with a liberal undertone. From this environment remained with him an unconscious prejudice against "aristocracy", "court", "guard", painfully developed scruples, involuntary desire to protect their dignity from illusory encroachments.

Fate suddenly dumped on his shoulders a huge, alien to him state work, threw him into the very whirlpool of political intrigue. In this work, which was alien to him, he apparently lost himself, fearing to make a mistake, did not trust anyone, and at the same time did not find in himself sufficient forces with a firm and confident hand to lead the state ship through the turbulent political sea. ”

In this case, it is important to observe Wrangel of Denikin’s inability to kindle hearts and take possession of souls, which the baron himself could masterfully do — we honor orders issued during the Civil War from the pen of two worthy commanders.

It was Wrangel (and not only he) that remarked: Denikin lacked what would be called the entourage today and what the baron himself had, who, unlike Anton Ivanovich, had a spectacular appearance. He was tall, thin, lean, with a loud voice. And if the face of Wrangel carried the stamp of charisma on himself and was the image of a true leader, capable of subordinating others to his will, then Denikin's appearance, on the contrary, did not contain anything heroic.

In this sense, many Bolshevik leaders were also distinguished by their impressiveness and ability to capture the crowd. Trotsky turned his performances into real drama performances, long remembered by the soldiers. As a rule, the “Lion of the Revolution” was late — we must assume, deliberately — by the appointed date of his appearance on the scene. When the anxiety caused by the lack of a speaker accumulated to the limit, he burst onto the stage in a black leather overcoat and walked quickly to the edge of it, with a sharp movement of both hands he opened the overcoat and died down for a moment. All those sitting in the hall saw the red lining of his overcoat, the figure of a man in black leather clothes, a beard thrown forward and sparkling pince-nez glasses. Thunder of applause and shouts of greetings were the answer to this mise en scene.

In order to revive interest in his speech, Trotsky could unexpectedly withdraw a soldier from the ranks and, turning to him, declare — I quote the historian Yury Yemelyanov: “Brother! I am the same as you. You and I need freedom - you and me. It was given to us by the Bolsheviks (shows with hand towards the red positions). And from there (a sharp ejection of the hand in the direction of the enemy) today white officers and landlords can come to turn us into slaves again! ”

It is impossible to imagine that Denikin behaved in a similar way, who did not like the “lush phrase” at all. Sometimes his inability to speak with troops, primarily with private soldiers, to ignite their hearts led to military setbacks. Lieutenant Sergei Mamontov describes the commander in chief on the eve of the cavalry battle at Egorlykskaya, which largely decided the outcome of the campaign in the spring of 1920: “General Denikin flew by plane and addressed us with a speech. But there was wind and hard to hear. In addition, he spoke for a long time and soon it became tedious and boring. There would be needed Wrangel, in Circassian, on a wonderful horse, besieging his horse and throwing a few words. This could ignite the Cossacks. And not the stooping foot figure of Denikin and a long incomprehensible speech. ”

Anton Ivanovich did not become a charismatic leader even for a narrow circle of military and politicians, such as General from the Infantry Lavr Kornilov, and later on the larger scale of the army - Wrangel. At the same time, whites did not have an all-Russian leader or tribune, like Lenin and Trotsky.

In the minds of ordinary fighters and ordinary citizens, the charismatic personality is mythologized. So it was with Trotsky, who was called the red Bonaparte and about whom the American researcher Richard Pipes wrote that he "is the desperate son of the Tambov governor and stood up, albeit of a different rank, for the working class."

About Denikin myths are not composed. His very appointment as commander of the Volunteer Army after the death of Kornilov in April 1918 took place in view of the fact that he had support in a narrow circle of military: generals Markov, Alekseev, Lukomsky, Romanovsky. All of them treated him with respect, but did not bow to him at all and did not note in him the qualities inherent in the leader. In circumstances where Denikin led the army, he needed a man capable of taking him out of the blow, not leading him into battle. Anton Ivanovich coped brilliantly with this task, and most likely if he had not, the White movement in the south of Russia would have been crushed in the spring of 1918.

I could not and did not want

Lieutenant-General Peter Makhrov, who left the most interesting psychological portraits of the most famous White Guard commanders, thinking about the attitude towards Denikin in the army, wrote that if the youth were enthusiastic about Wrangel, then the experienced officers looked hopefully at Denikin. According to the duty general staff of the commander-in-chief, Major-General Sergei Trukhachev and his assistant, Major-General Nikolai Ern, Anton Ivanovich was the only one who understood the situation and approached questions about military operations from the point of view of not only strategic, but also state, political.

It is important to note that a charismatic person cannot be influenced by anyone. Georgy Shavelsky, the protopresbyter of the Volunteer Army, who closely watched Denikin, recalled: “The greatest influence on the gene. Denikin enjoyed the chief of staff gene. I. P. Romanovsky, in his turn, was very attentive to the "cadets", among which N. I. Astrov and M. M. Fedotov played the first role (figures completely devoid of the qualities of leaders. - I. Kh.). Dragomirov and Lukomsky were afraid of the influence of the “cadets” on Romanovsky and did not approve of the influence of the latter on Denikin. Lukomsky directly said to himself that he was not honored by the commander in chief, who considered him too right ... Unfortunately, I must say that neither in civilian nor in military circles is a gene. Denikin was not particularly popular. ”

Denikin himself did not seek to become a true leader, stating in one of the letters to Wrangel: “I don’t need any love, I don’t have to feed. There is a debt that I was guided and guided by. Intrigue and gossip have long been lagging around me, but I don’t attach importance to them and only grieve when they reach me. ”

However, the importance of intrigue Anton Ivanovich still attached. It was because of the fear of becoming their weapon that he locked himself in, trying to communicate only with devoted military comrades, above all, with Lieutenant-General Ivan Romanovsky, who was very unpopular in officer circles. That is, he chose a path that was completely unacceptable for a charismatic personality, suppressing all the intrigues around him, as did the replacement of Denikin as commander-in-chief Wrangel. He removed all of his critics from the army, including people whose authority in the White movement was high: former commander of the Don army, General Sidorin, his chief of staff, professor Lieutenant General Anatoly Kelchevsky, lieutenant General Yakov Slashchev, who managed to keep the spring 20-th Crimea, the famous Major-General Andrei Shkuro.

Thus, there are no sufficient grounds for asserting that Denikin was striving to be a “king,” felt himself to be him, communicating with the army. At the same time, he was probably really the power, especially in 1918, when the Volunteer Army had to fight with the superior forces of the enemy, not having a reliable rear. Then the life of the highest White Guard commanders was constantly under threat - that year Kornilov was killed, Markov died, Drozdovsky was mortally wounded, barely escaped the death or captivity of Wrangel.

Obviously, Denikin did not and could not become a symbol of the White movement, as the head of the military clergy of the Russian army of Wrangel, Metropolitan Veniamin (Fedchenkov), wrote in his memoirs: “Denikin, White, Cadets said, but rarely General Denikin. And here about the whole movement (when it was headed by the baron. - I. Kh.) It was usually stated briefly: “General Wrangel” or even simpler: “Wrangel”. ”

This leads to the conclusion that Denikin was not a person in the army and Cossack circles, capable of rallying troops around himself and leading him. Although in fairness it should be noted that it was extremely difficult, if not impossible, to unite all South Russian counter-revolutionary forces into a monolithic movement. Too polar goals set for themselves, for example, the Cossacks and volunteers. The latter sought to rid Russia of the Bolsheviks, the Cossacks — especially the Kuban — were ready to be satisfied with the liberation of their own villages and, if the new government agreed to their independence, recognize the legitimacy of the Soviets.

I emphasize once again: Denikin was not a man of power-loving and quite sincerely perceived power as a grave cross sent down by the Almighty. But the lack of lust for power prevents a person from becoming a true leader. And the fact that Anton Ivanovich did not want to be a leader, doomed the White movement to defeat. After all, if the troops do not believe in being the leader, then no strategy will lead them to victory, especially on the fields of the Civil War.

It seems that the tragedy of Denikin, as well as many other White Guard generals and officers, in their inner division, in the absence of integrity. On this, drawing a fairly accurate psychological portrait of Anton Ivanovich, wrote a researcher of his biography, Vladimir Cherkasov-Georgievsky. Trying to understand the motivation of Denikin’s actions, this author noted: “What was Denikin convinced by his origin, childhood, and youth? Yes, there was no integrity, a single coordinate system. The sign of such "forked" people is to do one thing, to imagine another. Denikin's fate, of course, is brighter than the path of some raznochinets. In her shine weapons, and the glory of the imperial victories, and the "thorns" of the White Guard. But in it is also the love of the Young Turk rationalism, although you yourself live not with your mind, but with your heart. And in Anton Ivanovich, all this was intelligently tried to get along with genuine Orthodox asceticism. ” The reason lies in the inner division of the Russian intelligentsia. Sergei Melgunov also said that the Volunteer Army "... was the army of the Russian intelligentsia in the broad sense of the word." Thousands of its representatives during the First World War put on military uniforms, replacing the embossed army personnel on the battlefields. After the revolution, military intellectuals became the basis and leaders of the White movement. We also remember the supreme ruler Alexander Kolchak as a polar scientist, General Denikin - as a talented writer and publicist. Before the war, Alekseev and Markov were engaged in teaching and were professors. Baron Wrangel was educated as a mining engineer, General Kornilov owned several eastern languages ​​and was the author of a serious scientific work on Turkestan.

Already in exile in the Russian army, Wrangel intelligentsia played a predominant role. In Gallipoli, after the exodus from the Crimea, there were 50 percent of officers, and the rest in the vast majority were soldiers from intellectuals.

Their common tragedy is in the absence of many charisma, in the amorphous political views, in the inability to formulate the goals and objectives of the struggle in a language that is understandable and accessible to the common people. It is noteworthy that contemporaries characterized Kolchak in a way similar to Denikin. People often talked about him: “A tragic person,” “A fatal man who could steer a ship, but was unable to lead a country.” Could such a yes and burdened with principles and moral guidelines win the Civil War?
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  1. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 21 December 2017 06: 20 New
    +9
    The schism is carefully cultivated and propagated in various ways. Type deepen and expand.
    Defending the Motherland from the Nazis, Soviet people knew and remembered what happened before the revolution. Then there was no split!
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 21 December 2017 10: 24 New
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      Dmitry, you are absolutely right. Now you can write anything, because there are no more living witnesses of those events, which means that no one can refute the lie. Write a story based on memoirs interested in whitewashing themselves, white generals, delirium of pure water. I read somehow the memoirs of Denikin himself about Kornilov and the “ice trip”. Beautiful, you can’t say anything. And the way Markov, by personal example, raised everyone to attack, and the kind of genius Kornilov was.
      But all this nonsense. Because the truth there, although it is, is one-sided, but the real truth about WHO, HOW and for whose interests he fought, you will not find there in the afternoon with fire.
      Here, our lovers of crunching bread are often admired by Denikin, they say, well done, he didn’t make a deal with Hitler, the real saying is "Russian patriot." Only here is one detail they either do not know or deliberately ignore, namely, that Denikin collaborated in all with the CIA against the USSR. Here is such a “patriot” from Denikin it turns out, however, like from all those who fought against the Bolsheviks.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 21 December 2017 11: 13 New
        +6
        Alexey, W says that he achieved the greatest military and political results among all the leaders of the white movement. There is also a link to the article "" Power must not allow revenge and class enmity "". This article was then Ukrainian newspaper "Crimean Echo" July 20, 2012 !!!!!
        True, the article could not be opened. And what happens? Arrival of the ashes in Moscow at the Solemn Funeral, 2005, in YouTube (now I looked). Men in expensive suits, who grew up and received education in the USSR, medical care, living space, is it really all the descendants of the noblemen whom the Soviet government allegedly destroyed? Is our nomenclature involved in a white project? And everyone was directly expecting this event.
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 21 December 2017 11: 25 New
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          Dmitry, everything is simple. In 1991, a coup d'etat took place. Moreover, it happened from above, according to the type of palace coups in Russia of the 18th century. Former party workers decided to personify their savings and legitimize them by becoming the new nobility. In fact, in 1991 there was a counter-revolutionary rebellion and his fosterlings Khrushchev, who was the initiator of the collapse of the USSR. It was with his coming to power, by the way, also by way of an internal party coup, that those who eventually betrayed and sold a great country were at the helm of the state. They divorced the people, as the Anglo-Saxons of the natives always bred, for glass beads (specifically jeans, chewing gum and McDonald's). The sad thing is that we were led to it.
          Well, now the nouveau riche are trying in every possible way to legitimize and legitimize their right to property stolen from the people. Hence all these reburials, signs to Kolchak and Manerheim, and, as the apogee, the monuments to Kolchak, Wrangel, Krasnov, etc. Hence the persecution of everything Soviet. But they are afraid, they are afraid of the repetition of the Great October Revolution, and for them it is like a sickle according to Faberge.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 21 December 2017 11: 45 New
            +3
            Probably, in the 70s of the last century, closer import-export relations with the West began to form, so there was a desire to become owners of factories, newspapers, ships. How is it there.
      2. alebor
        alebor 21 December 2017 11: 53 New
        +8
        "Denikin collaborated with the CIA against the USSR." For the sake of interest, I looked at Wikipedia: the CIA was created by 18.09.1947 A.I. Denikin died 07.08.1947 g. How did he collaborate? At spiritualistic sessions or what?
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 21 December 2017 12: 12 New
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          Well, not with the CIA, got excited, there is a sin. And then, and before the CIA did the Americans have no such structures? Nonetheless:
          "Russian question." How Anton Ivanovich sold his homeland to Americans
          About the last year and a half of Anton Ivanovich’s life, much less is written, obviously, so as not to spoil his biography.

          The fact is that Denikin, who protested against the Nazi occupation of the USSR, did not object to the American occupation.

          In 1946, he sent a memorandum entitled “Russian Question” to the governments of the United States and Great Britain.

          “If only the Soviets can use the atomic bomb on an appropriate scale, the possession of these weapons will lead to an immediate and openly anti-human action on the part of the USSR. The attack will be carried out without declaring a reason, without warning, without attention to the possibilities or appeals for peace on the part of Western democracies, and even despite the complete surrender to Soviet demands, ”Denikin prophesied. Considering that the United States and Great Britain in this regard should inflict a crushing blow on the Soviet Union, the general made recommendations for the subsequent occupation of the USSR: “In the event of the occupation of Russian territory, immediately establish Russian self-government and encourage, at the earliest opportunity, the creation of a temporary central government on Russian lands, formed of Russian citizens with the possible participation of specially selected emigrants ... A provisional military government should be formed exclusively under the auspices of disinterested and supportive great powers. "

          It is not known what other recommendations Anton Ivanovich would have made if his earthly existence had not been interrupted by a heart attack in August 1947.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 21 December 2017 12: 49 New
            +4
            Yes, interesting, thank you, Alexey. This is after August 1945, after the atomic bombings of the United States. And if he had charisma? What would you think of? And where are these disinterested great powers? Really on the moon? After all, on Earth, as 2MB showed, there were none.
        2. Nehist
          Nehist 21 December 2017 22: 57 New
          +5
          He collaborated with OSS! There was such a service in the USA from it the CIA and grew
      3. Monarchist
        Monarchist 21 December 2017 15: 36 New
        +5
        Varyagu, you correctly noted: "the truth is there, but it is one-sided", but with the same thing (if not worse), one can say about the memoirs of Budyonny or other Red Army commanders.
        See: in fact, the Dumenko created the Horse Army, and S. M. came to the Gotovinka and of course he will remember accordingly. And as he talked about the order: to reassign the army to the "Red Bononopart", the order was late (the postman got lost) ..
        In fact, the trouble is that "WHITE, that" RED "SUBJECTIVE VIEW.
        But in the Soviet history of the Great Patriotic War edited by Pospelov, not a word was said about the border guards (as if they were not) and he “forgot” General Muzychenko
        1. Looking for
          Looking for 21 December 2017 18: 21 New
          +3
          Are you really dense illiterate (Bonoparte, postal, Gotovinka) .or is it fashionable to distort the great Russian language among Russian monarchists?
  2. baudolino
    baudolino 21 December 2017 07: 15 New
    +8
    A career officer should not be a public figure. The "charismatic leaders" of the Reds went through natural selection at rallies.
    The white movement was originally what is called the militia. Following the example of what we had in the Donbass in the 14th. Deprived of state resources, unified management, it was also doomed without constant and reliable outside help. And the help of the Entente was simply a mockery.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 21 December 2017 11: 35 New
      +8
      Quote: baudolino
      A career officer should not be a public figure. The "charismatic leaders" of the Reds went through natural selection at rallies.
      The white movement was originally what is called the militia. Following the example of what we had in the Donbass in the 14th. Deprived of state resources, unified management, it was also doomed without constant and reliable outside help. And the help of the Entente was simply a mockery.

      I completely agree: Denikin, Kolchak, Yudenich-FORCED to organize the White movement, in the name of saving the country from usurpers of power.
      They would be happy to do only what they could and always wanted to protect their homeland from foreigners.
      But I had to save Russia, being engaged in politics.
      But! -They were HONEST with the people, promising a difficult way to seek the consent of all citizens in the elections to the Constituent Assembly. And they fought precisely for the RIGHT of the people to express their will to organize Russia in the elections. ANY will with which they agreed in advance.

      In contrast to the charismatic loot-liars who promised peace, but who gave civil slaughter, promised peace without annexation, but who gave the country a third to the invaders forever, instead of "hungry bread", they gave hunger, instead of collective farm land, instead of freedom, dictatorship ..
      A true, but real way is always less attractive than a false way about jelly shores and therefore unreal.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 21 December 2017 12: 56 New
        +6
        Olgovich! Again buggy? Did Vladikavkaz stop imagining you if you didn’t argue with him? That's because a strong personality ----- you did not find him, but remember. So, did you raise such a prehistory for the sake of your ancestor Alexander? And those Formans who are not nearby, here and there were buggy. And to invent the past --- it's even easier ..
      2. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 21 December 2017 14: 47 New
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        Olgovich Today, 11: 35 ↑
        I completely agree: Denikin, Kolchak, Yudenich-FORCED to organize the White movement, in the name of saving the country from usurpers of power.
        Do you have another exacerbation of the disease? What usurpers? Power usurped just the same yours, having displaced the king. That’s what’s called from a sick head to a healthy one. It was your generals, including members of the royal family, who carried out the February coup, and then they brought the country to disaster.
        But I had to save Russia, being engaged in politics.
        Amazingly, you, in your lies and hypocrisy, have come to the point that you call the “salvation” of Russia its destruction by the forces of the Entente and Germany with Japan to the heap.
        Unlike the charismatic loot-liars who promised peace, but gave civil slaughter,
        A liar is you and your kind, the civil massacre was unleashed by just white, not red.
        A true, but real way is always less attractive than a false way about jelly shores and therefore unreal.
        Lying is your second nature, so it’s not for you to tell about the “truth”.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 22 December 2017 09: 59 New
          +4
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Do you have another exacerbation of the disease?

          Quote: Varyag_0711
          What usurpers? Power usurped just the same yours, having displaced the king. That’s what’s called from a sick head to a healthy one. It was your generals, including members of the royal family, who carried out the February coup, and then they brought the country to disaster.

          The February "revolution was carried out by the PROLETARIAT" under the leadership of the RKPb - read the Short course of the VKPB - and you will not write such sick comments
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Amazingly, you, in your lies and hypocrisy, have come to the point that you call the “salvation” of Russia its destruction by the forces of the Entente and Germany with Japan to the heap.

          It was YOU that gave the German occupiers forever THIRD countries, fed them bread and gold. By betraying Russia's interests in the Second World War, YOU provoked an intervention
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          A liar is you and your kind, the civil massacre was unleashed by just white, not red.

          Before YOU, there was NO civil war. Teach history, ignoramus. And when your handful seized power, Russia fought with you for 4 years.
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Lies are your second nature, so not here to tell you about the "truth".

          TO ME. Because you do not know her. yes
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 22 December 2017 10: 38 New
            +3
            Olgovich! So do you know the truth? So tell us, dear! Why, after VLADIKAVKAZ was not on the site for more than 2 years, did you begin to recall it? I will indicate if you forgot in which comments on this topic your memories and my answers. Recently. Your ancestor Alesander told you before you sunk into oblivion, did you personally come here much later? It is very interesting! To a direct question ----- a direct answer.
      3. Monarchist
        Monarchist 21 December 2017 16: 08 New
        +2
        Olgovich, you are partially right: Anton Ivanovich Denikin least of all wanted to engage in politics (the author says this), and Kolchak played politics, though he is nothing as a politician and military figure (I am impressed by Kolchak - students, but as a figure of the White movement ... )
      4. Looking for
        Looking for 21 December 2017 18: 28 New
        +2
        Do you know the concept of the word renegade?
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 21 December 2017 16: 17 New
      +1
      You are absolutely right: Entente Denikin fed the promises well, but sometimes they threw equipment and ammunition. Indeed, if Denikin took Moscow in 1918, I do not like alternative stories, but suddenly he wins. He would have wanted a REVIVAL OF THE EMPIRE, and London or Paris did not want this.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 21 December 2017 16: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Monarchist
        He would want a REVIVAL OF THE EMPIRE

        Denikin was a convinced liberal, he publicly stated this, they did not have anything among the leaders of the white movement - slogans, unity, ideas, including the revival of autocracy + the top was connected with Freemasonry, hence the final result - defeat.
        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik 21 December 2017 16: 44 New
          +3
          This is not about autocracy, but about great power.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 21 December 2017 17: 21 New
            +1
            But all the more so, what kind of great power it is possible to talk about - Anton Ivanovich spoke of a constitutional monarchy, with such ideas of a Russian peasant can you really be carried away to your side.
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 21 December 2017 18: 26 New
              +4
              Quote: bober1982
              with such ideas of a Russian peasant can you really be carried away to your side.

              Well, yes, he’d better tell a sweet tale about the land and factories and things will get better
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 25 December 2017 11: 53 New
        0
        Here you are wrong. The Entente fed not only promises, but
        and tanks, airplanes. English delivered to Denikin
        tanks, together with the British volunteers, with the experience of the Great War.
        All that was needed was to deliver them to the front line in time
        along with gasoline and shells ... (the whole war went along the railways).
        But even this bureaucratic headquarters of Denikin could not provide!
        The same goes for aviation. They could not use it.
        The Poles at 20-21 used with ease, and Denikin - could not.
    3. verner1967
      verner1967 21 December 2017 18: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: baudolino
      A career officer should not be a public figure.

      Yes, it can be seen from the article that the whites lost, because among them there were no balabolas like Lenin and Trotsky
      He had a good command of the word, his speech was strong and figurative. At the same time, speaking with the troops, he did not know how to master the hearts of people. His very appearance ... he resembled the average layman. He did not have everything that acts on the crowd, kindles hearts and possess souls.
  3. Conductor
    Conductor 21 December 2017 07: 58 New
    +6
    Besides the lack of charisma, there was no idea !!! Who was what they were.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 21 December 2017 08: 08 New
    +3
    Their common tragedy is the lack of charisma among many, the amorphous political views, and the inability to formulate the goals and objectives of the struggle in a language that is understandable and accessible to ordinary people.
    ... When there is no agreement among the comrades, their case will not go smoothly ... And it did not go ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 21 December 2017 09: 02 New
      +7
      Quote: parusnik
      ... When there is no agreement among the comrades, their case will not go smoothly ... And it did not go ...
      Nasty article. Pity shtol for lack of power ?? Ah-ah-ah!
      Despite the lack of charisma, they organized themselves abroad, did not die out, continued their actions against the USSR, collaborated with traitors, Vlasovites, NTS. We have survived to this day and do not know their real contribution to the destruction of the USSR! AH! Leafing through an old notebook ...... when a song appeared ---- there were pitters! Now the white project is continuing .. What can he offer in return for the USSR? Slavery and landlords? Such authors would think. LET and now there are no these offers of the future, as there were none then!
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 21 December 2017 09: 57 New
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        Quote: Reptiloid
        Leafing through an old notebook.

        Talkov sang a song at the final concert, "Song-1989," to the thunder of applause from Soviet and party listeners.
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Now the white project is ongoing.

        The Soviet project ended, to the thunder of applause, but long before 1989.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 21 December 2017 10: 08 New
          +6
          Pension, living space, own education, children ---- also received from the white project? Or donate to him? At least they went to the grave to Denikin, cried? In Moscow since 2005
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 21 December 2017 10: 15 New
            +1
            I’m talking about Talkov, by the way, from your own submission - you mentioned a song that was heard by Komsomol members, communists and non-partisans in the USSR, and you invite me to the grave. Shoes stop walking to all.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 21 December 2017 16: 13 New
              +5
              I was at that concert, petty Last .. Day concert of various artists SECRET, CRUISE, ALICE, ducklings ..... others. IN ANNIVERSARY. I try not to remember, but I remembered. So think about that.
          2. verner1967
            verner1967 21 December 2017 18: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Pension, living space, own education, children ---- also received from the white project?

            but there was a choice from whom to receive? My children, by the way, were no longer studying in the USSR, and I didn’t get my basic education in the USSR either, and I didn’t buy an apartment in the USSR, so what?
      2. verner1967
        verner1967 21 December 2017 18: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Now the white project is continuing .. What can he offer in return for the USSR? Slavery and landlords?

        And in 1913 there was slavery? You did not confuse dates? The option where the CPSU and slavery, we also do not need.
        1. Pancir026
          Pancir026 21 December 2017 18: 48 New
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          Quote: verner1967
          And in 1913 there was slavery? You did not confuse dates?

          Take the urine, start over again ... at least occasionally, read something other than the Chubais and Brewing opuses.
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 21 December 2017 19: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Pancir026
            at least sometimes you read something

            I've never read Gaidar (Arkady read with pleasure) and Chubais. And if I write about the absence of slavery in Russia until the 17th year, then because I read something besides the opuses of ideologists from the CPSU. So essentially what you wanted to say?
            1. Pancir026
              Pancir026 21 December 2017 20: 07 New
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              Quote: verner1967
              So essentially what you wanted to say?

              Did you say something about? You didn’t read or hear .. so ... a clatter on the clave .. air shock, nothing.
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 21 December 2017 20: 35 New
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                Quote: Pancir026
                Did you say something about? You didn’t read or hear .. so ... a clatter on the clave .. air shock, nothing.

                Well, don’t get into someone else’s dialogue if you don’t understand what it’s about. bye Bye!!
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 21 December 2017 20: 49 New
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                  Quote: verner1967
                  do not understand what it is about

                  Are you shaking the air again with an empty torrent?
                  Is there anything more substantial than your blah blah is for your soul or ...?
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 21 December 2017 21: 06 New
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                    Quote: Pancir026
                    And something more substantial than your blah blah is for the soul or

                    bye Bye
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 21 December 2017 21: 34 New
                      +3
                      Quote: verner1967
                      verner1967

                      I see ... void.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 21 December 2017 20: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: verner1967
          And in 1913 there was slavery? You did not confuse dates? .

          Of course it was. Not in form, but in essence. Not so long ago, the Doctor wrote 3 enormous comments on another article about diseases, mortality, and child mortality. Life time is about a little over 30. This is at the beginning of the century. And comparisons with other countries. And who is the lord? The king and all who are near. And the soldiers --- wasn’t it like treating slaves?
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 21 December 2017 20: 40 New
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            Quote: Reptiloid
            about diseases, mortality, child mortality. Life time is an average of just over 30.

            and what does slavery have to do with it?
            Quote: Reptiloid
            And who is the lord? The king and all who are near.

            and under the Communist Party, the Secretary General and all who are around?
            Quote: Reptiloid
            And the soldiers --- wasn’t it like treating slaves?

            Believe me, in the SA it was the same thing. I am telling you both as an conscript and as an officer. And what happened in the 40s and 50s? For the most part, the attitude is like cattle.
            But this is not the point, the first thing the Bolsheviks did, having come to power, destroyed the institution of private property, turning everyone into slaves who had nothing but their chains.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 21 December 2017 21: 38 New
              +4
              You should know that the time of military service in the USSR was 2 years and 3 years. There were also benefits for later life. But I do not know them all.
              And in tsarist Russia what?
              And life expectancy has changed, increased during the USSR.
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 22 December 2017 19: 12 New
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        Quote: Reptiloid
        ! Now the white project continues

        Rather, restalinization.
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Slavery and landlords?

        Slavery in Russia has never been.
  5. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 21 December 2017 11: 58 New
    +3
    For me personally, the tragedy of 1917 and the tragedy of 1992 are equivalent, traitors and demagogues ruined my country!
    1. Pancir026
      Pancir026 21 December 2017 18: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: kapitan281271
      For me personally, the tragedy of 1917 and the tragedy of 1992 are equivalent, traitors and demagogues ruined my country!

      Loud, unconvincing and false.
  6. Gopnik
    Gopnik 21 December 2017 12: 29 New
    +5
    Anton Ivanovich is an honest Russian officer and a true patriot of his homeland. In principle, like most of the White movement.
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 21 December 2017 18: 09 New
      +2
      But the Bolsheviks were not patriots?
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 21 December 2017 18: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: Seeker
        But the Bolsheviks were not patriots?

        you look at the names of leaders and "heroes" of these patriots.
        1. Pancir026
          Pancir026 21 December 2017 18: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: verner1967
          you look at the names of leaders and "heroes" of these patriots.

          We look-Shaposhnikov, Rokossovsky, Zhukov, Tymoshenko,
          Budyonny, Kamenev., Are there complaints? Lenin, Stalin, Kirov, are there claims?
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 21 December 2017 19: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: Pancir026
            Shaposhnikov, Rokossovsky, Zhukov, Tymoshenko,

            are these revolutionaries? lol
            1 Chairman of SNK Lenin (Ulyanov) - Russian
            2 Commissioner for Foreign Affairs Chicherin - Russian
            3 Commissioner for Nationalities Stalin (Dzhugashvili) - Georgian
            4 Agriculture Commissioner Proshyan - Armenian
            5 Commissioner of the Army and Navy Trotsky (Bronstein) - Jew
            6 Chairman of the Supreme Economic Council Larin (Lurie) - Jew
            7 Commissioner for the restoration of Schlichter Jew
            8 State Commissioner Kaufman-Hebrew-Hebrew
            9 State Control Commissioner Lander - Jew
            10 Commissioner of Public Works Schmidt V. - Jew
            11 Commissioner of Social Charity Lilina (Knigissen) - Jewish
            12 Commissar of Popular Initiation Lunacharsky (Bailikh) - Jew
            13 Commissioner of Confessions Svalbard - Jew
            14 Commissioner of Public Health Anvelt - Jew
            15 Commissioner of the Interior Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) - Jew
            16 Commissioner of Finance Gukovsky - Jew
            17 Commissioner of the press Volodarsky (Kogan) - Jew
            18 Electoral Commissioner Uritsky - Jewish
            19 Justice Commissioner Steinberg - Jew
            20 Commissioner for Evacuation Shegintein - Jew
            21 of his assistants:
            Raevich - a Jew
            Zoslavsky - a Jew
            I'm already silent about the rest of the Latsis, Dundichs, Kuns and other scum who came from all countries
            Quote: Pancir026
            have any complaints?
            1. Pancir026
              Pancir026 21 December 2017 19: 30 New
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              Quote: verner1967
              i'm silent

              So be silent. At the same time, an old and long gone rotten footcloth with a lie. In a landfill, or present to Olga, he will be glad.
              Yuri Emelyanov in his work “Trotsky. Myths and personality ”provides an analysis of this list. The analysis shows that the “Jewish” character of the Council of People's Commissars was obtained through fraud: it was not the first composition of the Council of People's Commissars that was published in the decree of the Second Congress of Soviets, but only those drug commissions that had ever been headed by Jews were pulled out of the many times changing SNK compositions. So, Trotsky L. D., appointed to this post on April 8, 1918, is mentioned as the people's commissar for military and naval affairs, and Schlichter A.G., who really occupied this one, is indicated as the people's commissar for food (here: "supply") fasting, but only until February 25, 1918, by the way, was not a Jew either (Schlichters are Polish landowners of German origin). At the time when Trotsky really became a drug commander, the Great Russian A. Zurup instead of Schlichter had already become

              Another method of fraud is the invention of a number of never existing drug addicts [16]. So, Andrei Dikim in the list of people's commissariats mentioned the never-existent people's commissariats for cults, elections, refugees, and hygiene. Volodarsky is referred to as the People's Commissar of the press; in fact, he was indeed the commissar of the press, propaganda and agitation, but not the people's commissar, a member of the Council of People's Commissars (that is, actually the government), but the commissar of the Union of Northern Communes [17] (regional union of Soviets [18] [19]), an active conductor of the Bolshevik Press Decree [20].
              https://www.politforums.net/historypages/14337687
              79.html
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 21 December 2017 19: 54 New
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                Quote: Pancir026
                Yuri Emelyanov in his work “Trotsky. Myths and personality ”provides an analysis of this list. The analysis shows that the “Jewish” character of the Council of People's Commissars was obtained through fraud: not the first composition of the Council of People's Commissars, published in the decree of the II Congress of Soviets, was mentioned

                what difference does it make when they were. Trotsky stood at the head of all this coven and no matter what position. All these so-called "exposure" is nothing more than a spin of a snake in a pan.
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 21 December 2017 21: 47 New
                  +2
                  Quote: verner1967
                  All these so-called "exposure" is nothing more than a spin of a snake in a pan.

                  So why are you spinning like in a pan, exposing everything, bringing obviously deliberate lies as "facts"?
                  Lying is the only thing learned or from a lack of knowledge?
      2. Gopnik
        Gopnik 22 December 2017 01: 56 New
        +3
        No, of course not. How can there be a patriot who wants to defeat his country in a world war and does everything for it?
    2. Pancir026
      Pancir026 21 December 2017 18: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Gopnik
      Anton Ivanovich is an honest Russian officer and a true patriot of his homeland. In principle, like most of the White movement.

      In principle, ?? Who are Krasnov and the Skin-honest patriots? Or Semenov?
      Ah, Antosha Denikin ..patriet..and isn't it Antosha, Amer wrote a voluminous work for the Pentagon and the CIA with the CIA. How to destroy Russia? Thanks, don’t have such patriots ...
      A.I. Denikin to G. Truman: Bet on the Anti-Communists! // Military History Journal. 1998. No. 4. S.92–96.

      In June 1946, the former commander of the Armed forces of the South of Russia, Lieutenant General A.I. Denikin sent a personal message to the heads of government of the United States and Great Britain. This document, known for a relatively long time in the West (but still not translated into Russian), gave some Russian historians reason to talk about the merits of an emigrant general in preventing the third world war and a new intervention in the USSR. Arbitrarily grabbing sketchy quotes, these authors cite them in their works as proof of the patriotic intentions and peacemaking aspirations of A.I. Denikin. He, they say, was sincerely concerned about the possible division and enslavement of Russia after its military defeat in the next frontal clash with the West and was looking for ways to prevent this.

      To what extent this interpretation of the memorandum of one of the White Guard leaders is true, readers can judge for themselves when they become acquainted with the full text of the letter of A.I. Denikin to President G. Truman. The document has been translated into Russian specifically for the Military History Journal by V.I. Batyuk with permission of the National Archives of the United States, where the letter is stored in the fund of Admiral Leah * .http: //pyhalov.livejournal.com/462534.html
      In June 1946, Denikin urged Truman not to repeat Hitler's mistakes in order to destroy the USSR for sure.

      “... it should be remembered that if the Soviets can use the atomic bomb on an appropriate scale, the possession of these weapons will lead to an immediate and frankly inhumane action on the part of the USSR. “The attack will be carried out without declaring a reason, without warning, without attention to the possibilities or appeals for peace on the part of Western democracies, and even despite the complete surrender to Soviet demands.” Thus, the white general declared the future war against the USSR legal and fair. It is assumed that the war will end with the occupation of the USSR: “In case of occupation of Russian territory, immediately establish Russian self-government and at the earliest opportunity encourage the creation of a temporary central government on Russian lands, formed from Russian citizens with the possible participation of specially selected emigrants .... A provisional military government should be formed exclusively under the auspices of disinterested and supportive great powers. "
      http://myhistori.ru/blog/43294848424/Kak-Denikin-
      prodal-svoyu-Rodinu
  7. Monarchist
    Monarchist 21 December 2017 15: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Alexey, W says that he achieved the greatest military and political results among all the leaders of the white movement. There is also a link to the article "" Power must not allow revenge and class enmity "". This article was then Ukrainian newspaper "Crimean Echo" July 20, 2012 !!!!!
    True, the article could not be opened. And what happens? Arrival of the ashes in Moscow at the Solemn Funeral, 2005, in YouTube (now I looked). Men in expensive suits, who grew up and received education in the USSR, medical care, living space, is it really all the descendants of the noblemen whom the Soviet government allegedly destroyed? Is our nomenclature involved in a white project? And everyone was directly expecting this event.

    Dima, this is still "children's pranks", but the "berry": in the spring of 1943, "son of the elite" read to Hitler and told each other "groupenführer, Reichsführ!" These were not some rebirths or opportunists, but sons: Shakhurin, Mikoyan, Bakulev. When I read or was stunned: where to go next ?!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 21 December 2017 16: 14 New
      +2
      I'm embarrassed to ask --- is this from the last books received?
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 21 December 2017 15: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: kapitan281271
    For me personally, the tragedy of 1917 and the tragedy of 1992 are equivalent, traitors and demagogues ruined my country!

    I agree: both times DEMAGOGY went to DEMAGIES: in February 1917, the “Februaryists” sent to RI, and a year later Leyla Bronstein drank Russian blood. And in 1992 ALL "DEMOCRATES" yesterday's communists and ALL listed DEMAGOGUES!
  9. Monarchist
    Monarchist 21 December 2017 15: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: parusnik
    Their common tragedy is the lack of charisma among many, the amorphous political views, and the inability to formulate the goals and objectives of the struggle in a language that is understandable and accessible to ordinary people.
    ... When there is no agreement among the comrades, their case will not go smoothly ... And it did not go ...

    To the very point. Grandfather Krylov wrote about this: "Swan, cancer, yes pike" and hereinafter
  10. Monarchist
    Monarchist 21 December 2017 16: 23 New
    +1
    I read the article and I think that Wrangel most correctly described it.
    I like Anton Ivanovich, and I'm cool to Wrangel
  11. Looking for
    Looking for 21 December 2017 18: 00 New
    +2
    “Already in exile in the Russian army of Wrangel, the intelligentsia played a predominant role. After exiting the Crimea, there were 50 percent of officers in Gallipoli, and the vast majority were soldiers from intellectuals! He writes heresy and at least something. for the truth.
  12. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 21 December 2017 22: 57 New
    +4
    Well, of course, the Great October Socialist Revolution "Was carried out by the mercenaries of the German General Staff".
    But interesting: Who appointed Denikin as commander of the Volunteer Army?
  13. Blue cop
    Blue cop 22 December 2017 17: 17 New
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    May A.I. Denikin was not a classic leader, but he was an excellent combat commander and combat general of the Great War.
    And also a patriot of Russia - as proved in both world wars good
  14. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 25 December 2017 03: 50 New
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    I would not say that Frunze was particularly charismatic. But he not only became a legend in the eyes of the Red Army, but also gained authority among the cadre military “military experts” (which is almost impossible for a civilian).
    So do not catch fleas.
  15. Valerikk
    Valerikk 31 July 2018 09: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Blue Cop
    May A.I. Denikin was not a classic leader, but he was an excellent combat commander and combat general of the Great War.
    And also a patriot of Russia - as proved in both world wars good

    Well, the First is understandable. And in the Second, how did he prove it?