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The impoverishment of Western countries is no longer possible to conceal

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This is very similar to the propaganda of Soviet times, but, alas, in this case we are talking about the findings of the UN and the leading economists of the world.


The impoverishment of Western countries is no longer possible to conceal


Last week, a report was published “On Inequality in the World”, in which more than 100 economists from different countries participated. This team was led by a Frenchman - author of the best-selling book “Capital in the XXI Century” by Tom Piketty. The statistics collected by him and his colleagues convincingly proves that the capitalism that the citizens of the former USSR prayed for thirty years ago no longer exists in nature.

Today's capitalism is more like Dickens novels: the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Both those and others are ghettoized - but someone in the protected villages, and someone in the slums. Social elevators, if they work, are only driven down.

The authors of the study analyzed the rate of income growth in different segments of the population over the past 36 years. It turned out that since 1980, 27% of the total increase in world wealth went to 1% of humanity, and 4% came from 0,001% - that's about 76 thousands of the richest people in the world.

At the same time, the growth rate of the income of the notorious "middle class" (that is, those who are between the 50% of the most needy and the 1% of the super-rich) has slowed down and has almost stopped by today. If the current trend towards the impoverishment of the masses and the enrichment of millionaires continues, in 2050, 0,1% of the world's population will have the same wealth as the entire world middle class. In essence, this means that by the year 2050 there will be no trace of the middle class - it will smoothly join the ranks of the global poor.

The report of Picketti reveals an interesting regularity. Economic inequality is growing fastest in the world's leading economies. For the successes of the golden billion, the impoverished population of developed countries is paying off.

In 1980, 1% of US citizens owned 22% of the country's national wealth. Today they already own 39%. The owner of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, for one last year added 33 a billion dollars to his fortune and in November was proclaimed the richest man in the world with a total fortune of 100,3 billion dollars.

Approximately the same picture is taking shape in Britain. In 1984, 1% of the super rich owned 15% of national wealth, now 22%. Over the past thirty years, says Piketty, the countries of the golden billion have reached the same level of economic inequality as the traditionally unfavorable countries of Africa and the Middle East.

For a record growth in incomes of one percent of the population, the working majority is paying the price: the countries of the golden billion were overtaken by an epidemic of poverty. The Joseph Rowntree Foundation, a charitable organization that has been struggling with poverty in the United Kingdom for over a hundred years, classifies fourteen million Britons to the poor. This is about one fifth of the total population of the country. According to the foundation, four million children and almost two million old people live in “cramped conditions”.

The situation can not be reversed even at record low unemployment for England. An increasingly significant part of the salary goes to the rapidly increasing rent and communal, and any savings are eaten up by inflation. This does not allow citizens to save for a decent retirement. Buying their own homes is also becoming inaccessible to them - real estate prices have made home ownership a real luxury.

The US Census Bureau considers 41 a million Americans to be poor (12,7% of the population), but many experts and NGOs consider this figure to be too low. At the same time, 32,6% of the total number of the poor are children, and among the homeless, the proportion of children is 21%.

The situation with the impoverishment of the population in America has become so acute that in December its monitoring was launched by the UN Special Rapporteur on Extreme Poverty and Human Rights, Philip Alston. Alston pledged to investigate how poverty affects the observance of American rights "given the importance the US government attaches to human rights in its foreign policy."

His route included California with its homeless, West Virginia with unemployed miners, Alabama with hereditary poverty of the non-white population, and the state of Washington, where the working class is rapidly becoming poorer.

Following his voyage, Alston released a report, excerpts from which remind of the darkest times of the “great depression” and “wild capitalism”:

"I saw a lot of things on this trip ... I saw latrines in the courtyards where the state government does not provide sewage ... I have seen people who have lost all their teeth, because the medical insurance for the poorest does not provide for payment of a dentist ... I I saw families mourning their loved ones who died from an overdose of opioid painkillers. ”

Alston compared the USA with other developed countries. It turned out that the gap between the poor and the rich in America is the largest in the world. The country also leads in terms of youth impoverishment — 25% of young Americans are in need and only 13% of their peers from other developed countries. Worse, Americans now live less, get sick more often - and this trend is only getting worse.

At the same time they were debunked many of the myths about poor Americans. For example, the one according to which the poor are completely “colored” lazy people sitting on manuals. In fact, there are eight million more poor white people than “color”.

Most of them have been looking for work for years, but the rapidly automated production simply leaves no vacancies for them. But even for those who still have a job, it no longer guarantees a normal existence.

Walmart employees told Alston that in the supermarkets of this largest network in the world they are paid so small a salary that they survive only thanks to coupons for free products.

Many of these myths are popular in Russia. It seems to people that in the West the standard of living is so high that complaints of poverty are a whim of “snickering” consumers. Moreover, poverty in the countries of the golden billion is not as shocking as in Africa or India, and is not striking to tourists. But there is a nuance.

Passers-by on the streets are cleanly dressed, because clothes on sales are worth practically nothing. Pensioners can afford a cup of cappuccino in a cafe, but for months their houses are without heating - this is too expensive.

The hidden nature of this poverty does not make it less painful. In the most advanced countries of the world, millions of people regularly suffer from hunger and cold. Meat disappears from their menu - there is not enough money for it. Debt is growing on their credit cards, which there is no chance to pay.

We are accustomed to chuckle over the British, who begin to worry, as soon as the snow falls. Because we do not understand that for most families this means huge bills for heating. In order to save, pensioners do not include it at night, and in the morning they are found frozen. In 2016, forty thousand people died that way. On average, over the winter every seven minutes an elderly Briton died in his own house from the cold. There was even a special term “heating poverty”, which affects 2,3 a million English families and 800 thousands of Scottish.

Millions of Englishmen are forced to go to the food banks for free food packages. The largest network of these charities is The Trussel Trust. Last year, the foundation distributed 1,18 a million three-day product kits, of which 446 thousands were given to children.

In the first six months of 2017, the number of meals increased in different regions from 12% to 30%, and in December the foundation was forced to seek additional help from donors, warning that it could not cope with the influx of people trying to get free food for Christmas .

That is why the Independent newspaper on the eve of Christmas launched the project “Help the Starving Child.” This refers not to African kids, but ordinary English children. Often, all the food that they get in a day is free lunch in schools and all the same charity food packages. The journalist of the publication, who visited one of the food banks, recalled Dickens bitterly:

“Unlike Oliver Twist, the children we met in the food bank did not ask for“ yet! ”. They seemed happy if they were given at least something. ”
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 21 December 2017 15: 11
    36
    But what about us, these are not similar figures of increasing inequality? Even bigger. Yes, and do not give a damn about the impoverishment in the West.
    1. Hoc vince
      Hoc vince 21 December 2017 16: 11
      36
      "But everything that was lied to us about capitalism turned out to be true" ...
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 21 December 2017 16: 26
        16
        It was not clear to me in the USSR why foreigners love Dostoevsky so much. So he wrote about their current life.
      2. sergej987
        sergej987 22 December 2017 17: 25
        +3
        Well, not quite like that. If you have a normal profession, you can live here for now. By the way, gasoline is getting cheaper or more expensive with oil. It has fallen from 1.30 to 0.99 during the crisis. Now I jumped to 1.19 pounds. I Have food prices cheaper than in Latvia, but I’m not talking about electronics.
    2. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 21 December 2017 18: 01
      15
      Quote: 210ox
      Yes, and do not care how it goes with impoverishment in the West.

      Why do not care, it is better to look at this situation from the other side: what the Bolsheviks described in the article would be called an emerging "revolutionary situation". But even without the Bolsheviks, it’s clear that if
      starting from 1980, 27% of the total increase in world wealth went to 1% of humanity, and 4% fell to 0,001% - this is about 76 thousand of the richest people in the world.

      that this is a picture of a dead end. And the more humanity comes up against this impasse, the greater the social explosion all this will end.
      1. Portos
        Portos 22 December 2017 07: 08
        +8
        There is a nuance: the population is being treated quite aggressively, so the explosion may not happen. And those in power have redirected the aggression of the crowd very well.
        1. Barmal
          Barmal 26 December 2017 10: 04
          +1
          Quote: Portos
          There is a nuance: the population is being treated quite aggressively, so the explosion may not happen. And those in power have redirected the aggression of the crowd very well.

          Mostly Russophobia. To take away its resources from the Russian Federation and to ruin the Russians themselves (bearded alcoholics and lovers of bears, all in earflaps and with red noses). Then the British citizens will have inexpensive gas and oil industry. And everything will settle down and settle down. That’s why Shoigu was supposed to show in Syria that the Russian military has teeth and the will to achieve results.
    3. vfqjh
      vfqjh 21 December 2017 18: 34
      +1
      I agree with you, but at the same time words from one famous Soviet film come to mind - Note, I didn’t suggest this!
    4. Trotil42
      Trotil42 21 December 2017 18: 45
      14
      The author is a reindeer breeder and a sufferer for the impoverishment of the West ... how touching is everything ... can hum help provide? The threshold of poverty in the United States 1 thousand dollars. at comparable prices ... oh, we would have to impoverish them ..
      1. BastaKarapuzik And
        BastaKarapuzik And 21 December 2017 22: 04
        +7
        We do not need their impoverishment.
        The US foreign debt counter was stopped and removed ...
        http://runews24.ru/world/13/09/2017/15514dea5d0fa
        0c7e3c12cf5bc6132d7
        The numbers have run out, on the scoreboard ...
        1. GRF
          GRF 22 December 2017 18: 39
          +9
          There is a minimum living wage ... She basically does not seem to outrage anyone

          There should be a bar of maximum wealth per person, above it - the nationalization of an excessive / excessive share, excessively acquired ...

          And it is legal if there is a law.
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 22 December 2017 22: 58
            +7
            There will never be such laws, because Who writes the laws (?) - the Rich are right (their representatives), which means the Rich themselves must want to "cut themselves off". And from here the only conclusion is that morality must be changed so that the Rich CAM gives his "surplus", that he cannot eat and sleep if he has "an extra millard, and there the children are starving." good Only in this way can we change the situation. And excuse me for pathos - but this is the only way Humanity will be saved.
            1. Alf
              Alf 23 December 2017 15: 20
              +4
              Quote: Mih1974
              that he could eat and sleep if he has "an extra billion, and there the children are starving."

              That's why, if someone has a billion, then someone has nothing to eat.
              A billion from the air will not be taken.
              Quote: Mih1974
              morality must be changed

              And how to do it? If now the main paradigm of society is to earn without doing anything.
        2. Trotil42
          Trotil42 23 December 2017 08: 07
          0
          Yes, they spat on these numbers ... while the bucks are world currency ... no difference ....
      2. Mooh
        Mooh 23 December 2017 05: 14
        +2
        Yeah, you have to know how to go too far. I recommend writing horror stories to the author. You think about this figure - 40.000 Britons died in their homes from the cold in one winter. The picture is drawn of a giant concentration camp with black smoke of burned corpses from boiler pipes, hardly heating the few survivors. That's what life without Russian gas leads to. Next time I’ll be in England, by God I’ll take an interest in how many tons of coal or pellets for a fireplace you can buy for an average pension. I suspect dozens.
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 24 December 2017 20: 10
          +1
          Quote: MooH
          Next time I’ll be in England, by God I’ll take an interest in how many tons of coal or pellets for a fireplace you can buy for an average pension. I suspect dozens.

          You better find out how much you can buy for a minimum pension, otherwise the brain has already been glued out by the "average temperature in the hospital."
          1. Mooh
            Mooh 24 December 2017 22: 45
            +1
            Especially for you a little google:
            The minimum pension is £ 151,20 per week. Firewood with delivery - £ 240.00 per ton. Coal can still be found, and much cheaper, but its use is highly discouraged by environmentalists.
    5. Mih1974
      Mih1974 22 December 2017 22: 55
      16
      This is not for you "poor" it is for those who are "time to blame." fool
      Recent years have begun to look differently from non-staged videos from the West. But I’m not looking at what they are trying to show me (I don’t give a damn about the stars, politicians, fires, etc.) I — I carefully look past. good I look at what they drive, what roads, and what the locals accidentally look into the frame look like. You can say - you’re inscribed, ha, and we try or when you’re abroad - look not only at the clean sidewalks, but try to see those who make them clean (it can’t be that no one litter, it doesn’t), look attentively not at the beautiful people, but at the human flow in general. And then mentally compare with our streets, people, cars. good Now in the photo of the city road without inscriptions or unambiguous buildings - FIG guess which country.

      where do you think? repeat
      Therefore, when someone starts rubbing "there is nothing to catch in Russia, I have to go THERE. THERE is just wonderful," I immediately want to show a similar article and ask, "Did you know my law and are ready to comply with 100 of them? I found out what prices there are, communal , medicine?" And one bad feature of our emigrants has long been known - if you ask a person in Russia how are you? wonderful". belay am
      At the same time, many, many - BYAUT from the west back to us. And often it’s not “bohemian”, it’s not completely “with hands and head”, but already here they recognize that it’s chic to live there, but I don’t go to this voluntary CATERING anymore. And these are those who can and have achieved TAM success, but not because of laziness they are returning, the point is in the Soul (do not laugh). A Russian man cannot plow like a slave on a galley "for sausage" like that, well, a soul cannot accept this. request Here, "for the Homeland," we will both BAM, and DneproGES and put the bald trait "in position No. 8", but "for sausage" - very quickly "we can not." This is the key difference between us and them. good
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 23 December 2017 03: 28
        +9
        Greetings to all members of the forum!

        You correctly noticed everything by Mikhail, and in everything your conclusions are accurate.

        Well, it doesn’t matter that not all members of the forum and just citizens of Russia are ready to realize that it’s good to live in the “beautiful and rich West” only HEALTHY, YOUNG, and RICH!

        And the fact that in the West it is NECESSARY to comply with the LAWS and to DANGERLY VIOLATE them, is known only to those who have lived there for a long time.

        Therefore, when I here in Russia I hear from some who say that "they say IN AMERICA TO LIVE WELL, not like in Russia",
        I ask them. HOW MANY YEARS have you lived in that same America?
        In response, I always get the answer - I was there (either in a swoop or NOT at all), but I did not live!

        And these praisers of the West and abusers of Russia are very offended when I tell them directly that "first you SHOULD LIVE IN ANY COUNTRY for at least 10 years" and only then DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT to praise or scold her!

        Michael, Smolensk.
      2. Alf
        Alf 23 December 2017 15: 22
        0
        Quote: Mih1974
        where do you think?

        Moscow.
      3. Barmal
        Barmal 26 December 2017 10: 14
        +1
        Now on the photo of the city road without inscriptions or unambiguous buildings - FIG guess which country


        In the photo the Russian capital (most likely). Maz shows - this is Russia (or Belarus as a manufacturer), the number of premium foreign cars in the paroxysm of traffic in traffic - that it is a regional power. As a fact - a right turn is made from the left rows through a solid line - not WEST. Vague signatures on car signs say that it’s for sure the Russian Federation. So yes. This is so bad with us.
  2. Tyulen
    Tyulen 21 December 2017 15: 14
    +8
    Someone went through with RENT ...
    1. Vend
      Vend 21 December 2017 15: 57
      12
      Quote: Tyulen
      Someone went through with RENT ...

      Not at all. I happened to communicate with a young lady from the USA, for example, in New York, people shoot and
      live in analogs of communal families for almost their whole lives. There is no way to buy your own housing.
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 21 December 2017 16: 54
        +7
        Quote: Wend
        I happened to communicate with a young lady from the USA, for example, in New York, people shoot and
        live in analogs of communal families for almost their whole lives. There is no way to buy your own housing.

        I have not seen a more destitute country yet.
        1. the lord
          the lord 22 December 2017 02: 26
          0
          With such potentials in the form of highly liquid assets, there are definitely no
        2. KAV
          KAV 22 December 2017 14: 41
          0
          Quote: Petr1968
          I have not seen a more destitute country yet.

          Have you ever been there? Or did they believe in their "poverty" from beautiful Hollywood films? Where does sarcasm come from?
          1. the lord
            the lord 23 December 2017 14: 44
            0
            And in Hollywood, are they already shooting about their poverty? This is efficiency!
          2. Petr1968
            Petr1968 26 December 2017 13: 52
            0
            Quote: KAV
            Have you ever been there? Or did they believe in their "poverty" from beautiful Hollywood films? Where does sarcasm come from?

            I saw Europe, and they are also henchmen of America, so I have an idea of ​​the standard of living, s / n and opportunities.
      2. BecmepH
        BecmepH 22 December 2017 08: 23
        +3
        Quote: Wend
        live in analogs of communal families for almost their whole lives. There is no way to buy your own housing.

        So we live like that now. Think where residents from dilapidated housing populate? In the "three rubles" ... three families. I lived in such a house. 2 entrance, 15 floors ... this is some kind of shaman ...
        1. Vend
          Vend 22 December 2017 10: 33
          +6
          Quote: BecmepH
          Quote: Wend
          live in analogs of communal families for almost their whole lives. There is no way to buy your own housing.

          So we live like that now. Think where residents from dilapidated housing populate? In the "three rubles" ... three families. I lived in such a house. 2 entrance, 15 floors ... this is some kind of shaman ...

          The scales are different; we cannot reach the scale of American poverty. The state has taken care: maternity capital, protection of interest holders, mortgage compensation, some laws for people have not yet been fully operational, liberal thieves interfere. Well, yes, they break their spine. When buying an apartment in the USA, people hang debt on their children, and in Russia, even though the mortgage interest is higher, the apartment will be owned in a maximum of 25 years.
    2. Serhiodjan
      Serhiodjan 21 December 2017 18: 01
      24
      I lived in Germany for 4 years, and this is probably the most prosperous of the large countries of Europe (I do not consider any Switzerland in Sweden, etc.), but I was struck there by the number of homeless people, dirt on the street and how sticky Germans are - they collect all the checks in stores and Then they consider how much they spent on what. From the pluses - the salary is certainly large by Russian standards, there I received 3500 euros. Of the minuses - taxes of 30-35 percent, including insurance, very expensive transport and apartments, no apartments at all, small and poorly furnished (rent, of course, you can do it yourself), Internet and telephone charges are generally on the brink of fantasy, count us for free that's all! There is no free Wi-Fi anywhere, the bureaucracy is such that it turned out to be compared with them, we also don’t have it, everything on the letters is tied up just a little that you need to go to a lawyer. In general, there are so many drawbacks that I returned to the Russian Federation and am very happy about it, and it’s always funny for me when people here say “oh why did you come back, it’s so cool there” ... nde, go live ... our compatriots (all former USSR), for the most part they survive there working with all sorts of carers, they want to go back, but quietly keep quiet about it :)
      1. turbris
        turbris 21 December 2017 23: 07
        10
        Serhiodjan - it’s very good that you wrote based on your personal experience. In the minds of young Russians, the efforts of Western propaganda and the lies of emigrants from Russia - a completely different picture - there are “civilized” countries in the West - everything is covered in chocolate. There is no corruption, there is no bureaucracy, there is no unemployment, there are no oligarchs - there is democracy, everyone gets big salaries and pensions - they drink coffee and enjoy life.
      2. vlad_vlad
        vlad_vlad 22 December 2017 12: 34
        +8
        Quote: Serhiodjan
        ... but I was struck by the number of homeless people, dirt on the street and how sticky Germans - they collect all the checks in stores and then consider how much they spent ..... our compatriots (the whole of the former USSR) mostly survive there working with all sorts of carers, they want to go back, but quietly keep quiet about it :)


        there is probably somewhere else the country of Germany, which I do not know. The one in which I live bursts with fat. Any homeless person has the right to a free apartment, medicine, social assistance, etc. Of course there are poor, but where are they not?
        if people are not lazy and not that decent life in a normal apartment, vacation 2 times a year somewhere in Mallorca and a normal education for children - no problem.
        about washing the toilets of Russian nemzev - this is nonsense. most (over 90%) have their own homes and decent work, at least among my friends and acquaintances
        1. Shaitan_by
          Shaitan_by 22 December 2017 15: 58
          0
          And my hobby is 20 cm, in diameter.
          1. Barmal
            Barmal 26 December 2017 10: 28
            0
            Quote: Shaitan_by
            And my hobby is 20 cm, in diameter.

            Offset The best answer is nerd.
    3. Mih1974
      Mih1974 22 December 2017 22: 59
      +1
      I advise you to google a video on the network “Michail policeman from Oklahoma,” he served as a policeman there for 19 years and retired by injury (like), so he’ll open his eyes for you. tongue
  3. Basil50
    Basil50 21 December 2017 15: 16
    19
    * Poverty * is quite natural and does not cause surprise. As soon as the uncontrolled robbery of the colonies ended, so they began to look for other enrichment opportunities. The basis of bourgeois economic religion is robbery, and no matter who, if only there were free injections. The collapse of the SOVIET UNION and the looting of national wealth delayed the collapse of Western democracies, but injections are ending and even a complete cessation of payments looms. In В Putin is trying to force the RUSSIAN government to act in the interests of RUSSIA, and this is intolerable neither to external democrats nor to home-grown.
    All home-grown democratic economists are preoccupied with enriching only the regimes of Western democracies led by the USA, apparently sitting at * percent *?
    1. akims
      akims 21 December 2017 21: 42
      +3
      That's right, the fastest way to get rich is robbery.
      And, what we have historically: France - the colonialists, robbed the Vietnamese, Spain - the conquistadors, robbed the Indians, the Britons - the real pirates, robbed the Spaniards, China and everyone else. There are Portuguese, Dutch, etc. Then the Americans came and finally robbed everyone with their Dolares.
      So in a nutshell.
      PS: but the Jews ...
      1. Barmal
        Barmal 26 December 2017 10: 37
        0
        Quote: akims
        PS: but the Jews ...

        ... but they live in the USA.
  4. solzh
    solzh 21 December 2017 15: 17
    22
    Socialism is a blessing for the working people. The Soviet system is much better than any "free market" economy.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 21 December 2017 17: 03
      +2
      Quote: solzh
      Socialism is a blessing for the working people. The Soviet system is much better than any "free market" economy.

      And in this thread, you can write any nonsense, right?
      I just don’t see in real life people voting for Zyuganov and other communist parties .. It’s all for the liberal and market leader Putin. Do not know why? No left, then who recalls youth .... but it has nothing to do with reality. A market economy gives people the necessary needs and ways to earn. In the USSR, there is a deficit and a ban on private activity. Nobody wants this anymore. Do not believe me - see the numbers at the elections (any). How many of you are a few percent?
      1. solzh
        solzh 21 December 2017 17: 44
        +8
        remained, then who recalls youth .... but it has nothing to do with reality.

        I’m about 20 years old when I retire, if I live with this "idiotic" economy, I can remember my youth.
        I do not see in real life people voting for Zyuganov and other communist parties

        Wrong look.
        In the USSR, there is a deficit and a ban on private activity.

        Must remember the restructuring? Let's remember the 90s.
        Nobody wants this anymore. Do not believe me - see the numbers at the elections (any). How many of you are a few percent?

        If you do not want this, this does not mean that everyone does not want it. Do you still believe in fair elections? How many people came to the last election of deputies? Why did most voters ignore the last election?
        And in this thread, you can write any nonsense, right?

        You can.
      2. Alf
        Alf 21 December 2017 21: 24
        +5
        Quote: Petr1968
        Do not know why?

        Because people understand that this power will win elections by any means and therefore does not go to them, thus expressing their protest.
        Quote: Petr1968
        Do not believe me - see the numbers at the elections (any).

        The presidential election in the first round was won by Vladimir Putin, who received 45 602 075 votes, which is 63,60%, that is, more than half of the votes cast.
        71 Russian citizens took part in the presidential elections, including 780 people, including overseas, with the turnout being 800%.

        That is, 30% of the country's population voted for Putin. And that including postscripts. Other people did not come to the polls, thus expressing their disagreement.
        1. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 22 December 2017 11: 35
          +3
          Quote: Alf
          That is, 30% of the country's population voted for Putin.

          In March 2018, the same thing will happen - really no more than 30-35%, including those who support Putin on the basis of real lack of alternative.
          1. akshor
            akshor 22 December 2017 12: 01
            +6
            Xs about no alternative. Here Grudinina today Zyuganov suggested. Adequate people in opposition are already beginning to appear. It’s just real, the myth is created that there is no alternative. And the fool of Navalny is given out as the opposition. Although, as for me, this is an artificially created villain to emphasize the lack of alternative. Like Sobchak.
            1. Barmal
              Barmal 26 December 2017 10: 41
              0
              Navalny drove to the Washington regional committee? Or am I confusing something. If this person is from the Kremlin, then why is no one from the US State Department sitting at the head of the Russian government table?
        2. a housewife
          a housewife 22 December 2017 11: 45
          +1
          If those who did not come to the polls expressed their disagreement, they would still come! Who does not agree, votes against! They were just sure they were the result, and he was fine with them.
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 24 December 2017 20: 35
            +2
            Quote: housewife
            If those who did not come to the polls expressed their disagreement, they would still come!

            Teach how to express disagreement? Why do you think they removed the “against all” item? Yes, simply because this item won the election, and this trend was growing like a snowball. Incidentally, the "non-alternative" GDP democrat did not cancel this item and is not going to, just as it is not going to participate in the debate. How do you think, why? Yes, simply because the next president would be “against all” in the first round and by a wide margin. And during the debate, they would ask questions that were not prepared in advance about domestic politics, and questions that were not previously known from Ukrainian, German, and American journalists on foreign policy like at press conferences.
      3. turbris
        turbris 21 December 2017 23: 16
        +3
        Petr1968 - well, you said so, now bloggers who, under socialism, didn’t live on the shelves - they all know! It is very important for them - capitalism or socialism, the main thing is that someone needs to be resisted. There are some who really think that under socialism - everything belonged to the people, and when you ask what belonged to you personally - they are lost with the answer, because even the apartment in which they lived belonged to the state.
        1. the lord
          the lord 22 December 2017 02: 53
          +7
          The apartments belonged to the state, but none of them were evicted, as under capitalism. And the people had dachas, and the villagers had huge houses (everything depended on the owner himself). And in the garages (not on the streets, clogging them with tins, but in the garages) there were cars. People had fun much easier than today, but much healthier and more useful. The state of people accompanied on the part of medicine and cultural development. Cognitive programs were broadcast on prime time on television, and humorous programs were filled with intelligence and sophistication. Films sometimes filled their teeth with their correctness, but at the same time they took it for granted. But because the artistic councils made the decision to let it out or it’s icteric nonsense.
          So it would be better if everything belonged further to the state, than put all brains in a pose of severe rape.
          1. sq
            sq 22 December 2017 10: 11
            +3
            The very existence of the USSR limited the Wishlist capitalism, so to speak, forced to pull on a human face. The USSR is not - and Wishlist are limited only to Wishlist of other capital predators, there is no need to flirt with the "cattle".
          2. a housewife
            a housewife 22 December 2017 12: 08
            +4
            And what about “huge houses”? Do you know that the area of ​​a private house was limited, and regardless of the number of residents? We had 5 rooms, a corridor and a small vestibule. Yes, even the old hut in the courtyard - two small rooms and an unheated kitchen. my parents and I lived in this house, then my two sisters were born. My mother’s parents, my mother’s grandfather and grandmother, two mother’s brothers and wives lived in a large house. The rooms are 20 meters, 15, 14, 10 and 8. Really, chic? The house is standard. The neighbors had the same house, but 5 people lived there. And someone had such a house for 2-3 people. Of course, some two or three lived in a one-room apartment, it seemed to them that we possess palaces! My friend lived in a Zhaktovsky house - do you know what it is? - five of them. Room 16 meters and unheated kitchen. There is a stove in the room. Lived mom, dad, two daughters and a grandmother. For her, our home was a dream! There were no cars in our garages! None of my neighbors, relatives and acquaintances had cars! Films - yes, they were good. But there were many boring crafts. Books are an inaccessible luxury! True, there were libraries, but even there it was a problem to take a good book! There was no choice on TV for a long time. One channel. Then the second appeared. And there was almost nothing to watch there. And to go to the store and buy something good is unreal! The products are only the simplest, the clothes are of average lousiness, however, there were ateliers and one could buy good fabric. Shoes are not important. And for home appliances in general it is better not to speak. There were good refrigerators or washing machines, but you had to register in a queue, check in once a week, and it is not known what you will get in the end. Do you like all this? Or didn’t you live there?
            1. Alf
              Alf 22 December 2017 21: 05
              +3
              Quote: housewife
              None of my neighbors, relatives and acquaintances had cars!

              If I have not seen the anaconda, then it does not exist. So ?
              Quote: housewife
              Films - yes, they were good. But there were many boring crafts.

              But now there are only "masterpieces". Remember at least one modern domestic film about which the people would say, and not the court praisers, Wow.
              Quote: housewife
              Books are an inaccessible luxury!

              And now ? You go into the store, eyes run up. That's just the run you can’t buy, the prices bite.
              Quote: housewife
              There was no choice on TV for a long time. One channel. Then the second appeared. And there was almost nothing to watch there

              But now there are 100 channels, and there’s still nothing to watch, or one crime, cops, bandits (and you don’t understand who is better) or snot women (like a milkmaid from Zadrupinsk arrived in Moscow, fell in love, and he put her in jail and , and she served and found her happiness in the form of a millionaire, only substitute different names) or the wisest talk about our beautiful present and more beautiful future.
              Quote: housewife
              Only the simplest products

              But they were natural and tasty. And then, why wasn’t there? Oysters from Lausanne? Lobster? The olive? Parmesan Jamon
              Quote: housewife
              Shoes are not important.

              And in a shoe atelier to order to your taste is weak?
              Quote: housewife
              Or didn’t you live there?

              He lived. And somehow he did not suffer much.
              1. a housewife
                a housewife 23 December 2017 12: 31
                +4
                If you do not see the anaconda, then it is still not near you. And where there is, you do not see. And now there are good films and TV shows, we just have different tastes. The same plot can be shot in different ways, one option will be a masterpiece, the other - boredom and stupidity. For example - Office Romance. In the same scenario, they shot a film from which Ryazanov was horrified, then shot his own. An ordinary miracle removed twice. Have you seen the first option? Compare with everything known to the second, with Abdulov. And the same scenario! Or The Marriage of Figaro. The brilliant performance of the theater of Satire. And the filthy little movie for the New Year, where they gathered the whole stage, wrote a bunch of songs. Even, it seems, they did not repeat it - such rubbish came out. Why wait. In the 90s, everything collapsed. Lost school, screenwriters, directors. And those that are, firmly know that the film must earn a little money, you won’t earn it, you won’t shoot anything.
                Books. And what's the difference? Then I could not buy, now I can not buy. The reasons are different - the result is one. But now there is the Internet. And there are different libraries in it. If you want - read, if you want - listen. And if nostalgia - in the hands of a little book to hold, leaf through, read on paper - so I go up to the cupboard at home and take it, by hook or by crook, collected several hundred favorite or useful books.
                TV Your untruth. I have 20 regular channels, some do not watch at all, they are not interesting to me. But a lot of gears are good. I love the story. Interested in politics. Like contests, Bluebird, for example. Good channel Culture. Series between each other is silly to compare. There are primitive, detective, serious, humorous, historical. Yesterday I watched the first series of Gogol. Bullshit of the mare. Silver pine forest - you can see it once.
                Products You need to look, you can find very good ones and now, some company is happy and you don’t look at others anymore. A good Soviet ... I do not know where you are and when you lived. And I was born and lived for 25 years in Novorossiysk, then moved to Maykop. So, I remember the 60s - the counters were full, but my mother took very little, the doctor’s - 200 grams, only me, and myself and my dad — a circle of cheap horse, because the wages of workers are scanty. Then the salaries grew - the products disappeared. Two hours had to be defended so that the same boiled sausage would take 1 kg in hand, and 2 more sisters were born. Every other sausage has disappeared, there is still a liver. It was possible to buy oil once every two weeks, a pound in hand. the same with the chicken. The meat (some bones) found was a problem at all. On the market, 5-6 rubles a kilo, try to buy it again! There was a lot of milk, yes! There was no cheese at all, only at the enterprises in holiday sets. Like green peas, condensed milk, mayonnaise. Oysters and parmesan, you say? Well, well ... This is for you to Ksenia. Shoes in the studio to order? Were there such ateliers? We did not have. It was easier to buy from a sailor. Can you imagine the prices? For a working family? Apparently, your family did not need anything. Live on in your beautiful past! And it was beautiful for a simple reason - we were there in childhood and youth.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 23 December 2017 15: 11
                  0
                  Quote: housewife
                  I don’t know where you were and when you lived.

                  Kuibyshev, if you know where.
                  Quote: housewife
                  Shoes in the studio to order? Were there such ateliers?

                  Two blocks from the house.
                  Quote: housewife
                  Apparently, your family did not need anything.

                  Worker's family.
                  Quote: housewife
                  because the wages of workers are scanty. Then the salaries grew - the products disappeared.

                  But where your parents worked, judging by your words, is a big question.
                2. E_V_N
                  E_V_N 24 December 2017 21: 41
                  +4
                  Quote: housewife
                  Apparently, your family did not need anything. Live on in your beautiful past!

                  I also remember the 60s and 70s and 80s. It’s true that you lived in the south, only in the south of the Urals, the city is not a closed simple metallurgical city like most in the Urals. Father and mother have been working all their lives, grandfather is a teacher, grandmother is a housewife. I didn’t know my father’s parents, my father’s grandfather was killed in the 31m by bandits, my father’s grandmother died before my birth. So my family did not belong to the "Soviet elite".
                  60s-70s I remember on the counter 10 varieties of sausage, uncooked smoked (rarely taken, it was believed that stale and stiff), half-smoked (taken if except for the one that brought fresh on the counter), bloody, whale and horse (for example, exotic, for an amateur ), and of course 4 grades of boiled (doctor's, dairy, amateur and tea (in the form of a brick)). Meat - beef, pork, horse meat, lamb, fat yellow goose, chicken, smoked ribs of pigs and rams (delicious infection, and how it smelled when cooked and cost cheaply, because it was considered an offal and was not in high demand). I agree with the kind of meat and chickens then it wasn’t as “presentable” as it seems now, they didn’t tint and did not report antibiotics with growth accelerators, but if the chicken was boiling it smelled of the whole house, and not like a beautiful carcass but it doesn’t smell anything. Cheeses are also several varieties except the obligatory "Peshekhonsky", "Russian", "smoked sausage" (I liked it in childhood), processed "friendship", "chocolate". I remember the constantly standing "pyramids of condensed milk" they took little, they preferred draft milk in the store or from the "barrel" (brought from the state farm on the street). Butter and chocolate butter, but not in packs but in large pieces of 20KG in boxes. In the 60s I remember black caviar in a simple deli in a provincial town. Several varieties of fish, including compulsory sprats, Atlantic herring, spicy salting and herring "Iwashi". sour cream on a razm from cans A dozen varieties of sweets, from creamy “tic-tac” to expensive “truffles”. I agree, they took a little, but not because there was not enough money, but as the parents explained “why get too much, tomorrow we’ll buy fresh” (the refrigerators were small, the “freezers” in them should not be crammed with tiny 2 or more chickens). But the fruit wasn’t very good, mostly apples, in the summer watermelons, melons and grapes, oranges for the new year. I saw bananas for the first time in 1973 (we traveled with a class to Moscow, bought green ones in GUM .... bananas and not only ours were littered with all the ballot boxes in GUM). Parents received a 4-room apartment for our family of 3 people, and my grandmother lived in a 4-room house with her daughter and son. I myself got an apartment as a "young specialist" after 3 years of work at Uralvagonzavod. "
                  So, I really consider the past to be good. Unfortunately for my children this "does not shine." Now you tell the children, they say, “it’s good for you, they gave you apartments”, there were no problems with work.
                  Here I personally have such memories.
                  1. Barmal
                    Barmal 26 December 2017 10: 55
                    +1
                    It’s true that you lived in the south, only in the south of the Urals, the city is not closed simple metallurgical like most in the Urals



                    You had a good supply in the Urals. I remember my mother sent me to the Sokolniki supermarket for cheese. They rolled out a trolley (an analogue of the current Auchanovskaya) with sliced ​​pieces of some cheese. Adults as pioneers rushed from all over the hall to this cart. It was good that he was standing nearby (he knew from which door the cart was being rolled out in this department) and managed to reach out. This is Moscow, the second half is the end of the 70's. So, from my memory I can say that in Vladimir at the same time empty counters in the sales department are the norm. I saw it myself too. Since the aunt came to buy goods in Moscow time and took me to visit her on vacation.
            2. the lord
              the lord 23 December 2017 14: 54
              +1
              Let me ask, in what stale area did you live with such problems? Who didn’t allow them to acquire and build houses there? You did not live in a settlement by court in Siberia?
              In the USSR, there were problems with providing for the population, but at the same time, everyone who wanted everything had it legally. In the USSR there was another disaster, they themselves did not want to bother with acquisitions.
              1. Barmal
                Barmal 26 December 2017 10: 58
                0
                The cost of the old jig exceeded the state cost of the new one a couple of times. About the Volga can be silent.
        2. E_V_N
          E_V_N 24 December 2017 20: 41
          +2
          Quote: turbris
          There are some who really think that under socialism - everything belonged to the people, and when you ask what belonged to you personally - they are lost with the answer, because even the apartment in which they lived belonged to the state.

          So if something is common, it logically cannot belong to someone alone. Or with logic you are strained. Well, at the expense of apartments ... I don’t remember something under socialism, so that people would be taken away "state" apartments, and children and grandchildren would continue to live in them if they didn’t get better housing. But in the current market of examples of weaning "apartments in personal property" a wagon and a small trolley.
      4. the lord
        the lord 22 December 2017 02: 43
        +8
        You can write any nonsense in this thread, you in your comment are very successful in this. They vote for Putin not as a "liberal and marketer", but as a sovereign and supreme. As a liberal, he justified .. in everything, only foreign policy helps him out. Plus, large projects following the example of the USSR (Olympiad. Kerch ferry, 2018 World Cup) are very helpful in holding on - people are afraid that the rival will begin to block these projects, despite the lards of folk funds swollen there. A market economy, as today's situevina in Europe shows, is not at all a way to improve the world. Only the strong survive there, and then, until they become weak (old age, illness) But in the USSR there were guarantees. That would not have spotted fit into the market rules, would still flourish. What was the external debt of the USSR when it came to power? With his inability, he increased it one and a half times, and then doubled it.
        People would like to use the USSR, but if you want to go there, you have to go a lot, and this is far and costly, and many may not hold out. Therefore, they live on the basis of today's input. So a lot of us percent, a lot. And Putin’s picking in the internal problems of the country has already plagued many. Only if the Communist Party refused to nominate the old man Zyuganov-there the people and catch up
        1. vka
          vka 22 December 2017 05: 01
          +1
          Yeah, in the USSR - again, the Baltic states that feed us, - the little brothers of the Bulgarians who have all the resources in short and so forth
          1. Romulus
            Romulus 22 December 2017 05: 08
            +2
            Quote: vka
            feed the Baltic states again, who hate us, - the little brothers of the Bulgarians to whom all the resources are free, and so on, eeeeeeeeeeee

            Where did you get the breadwinner? Go sleep..
      5. BecmepH
        BecmepH 22 December 2017 08: 37
        +4
        Quote: Petr1968
        see the numbers in the election

        You’re like an adult, but you believe in fairy tales. Find Mark Twain's thoughts on the election ...
        How many of you are a few percent?
        Go here and see the percentages. There is a questionnaire there. Figures differ from official ones. It is clear that there is a certain contingent there (military pensioners). But, still ... http://militariorg.ucoz.ru
    2. passing
      passing 21 December 2017 17: 04
      +3
      Socialism is a blessing for the working people. The Soviet system is much better than any "free market" economy.

      and only in this case will we be able to confront the "West", because only different systems can resist. Now we "play on their field, and even according to their rules."
      1. Sadam
        Sadam 22 December 2017 03: 58
        +6
        But is it important under what system someone lived? capitalism socialism. here comrades from China, under the strict guidance of the party, were able not only to preserve but also to increase. and forbes, the first 6 out of 10 tees are Chinese. and starvation without passports 20 years ago - the average wage in the country for $ 600 has become ... and you are breaking all spears of communism / capitalism .... any ideology can be directed in the right direction
  5. Vard
    Vard 21 December 2017 15: 24
    10
    I have family friends ... where both parents work and for two people a salary of ten thousand rubles ... with two children, the diet is cheap pasta ... or potatoes ...
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 22 December 2017 12: 10
      +1
      Where is it?
      1. Alf
        Alf 22 December 2017 21: 16
        +4
        Quote: housewife
        Where is it?

        Walk through the small and single-industry towns, peek out from behind the MKAD.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 23 December 2017 12: 40
          +2
          Dear, I live in Maykop. Do you know where it is? Estimate distance from MKAD. Find out the number of inhabitants. The smallest salary that I know - my acquaintance nurse in the hospital receives 7500. Therefore, I seriously asked - where is it? And what kind of work? Because the salary of 7500 is already poor, well, a woman lives alone. And together, earn 10000 - is there really nothing else?
  6. Loess
    Loess 21 December 2017 15: 56
    +1
    Somehow gloomy ... Especially this:
    For the sake of economy, pensioners do not turn it on at night, and in the morning they are found frozen. In the 2016 year, forty thousand people died. On average, an elderly Briton died every seven minutes during the winter from the cold in his own house.
  7. Vanko
    Vanko 21 December 2017 15: 58
    23
    While the USSR was alive, the capitalists, looking at us, tried to make the life of ordinary people such that they did not rebel, looking at us. Now this need has disappeared and the west is returning to the 19th century. All hawala loot with all the holes that they can.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 23 December 2017 21: 48
      +6
      Maybe the Union back? There are laughing It is necessary to conduct a survey - are you fucked that in a referendum more than 80% of the population spoke in favor of the USSR? Are you fucked that Yelts well / Putin / Medvedev / Putin is fucked at the opinion of the population?
  8. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 21 December 2017 16: 16
    +7
    Author why are you rocking the boat? So it comes to the point that we lose the goal of where to go and strive. After all, GREYDBRITAN is directly that unattainable ideal where we grow and grow. And it turns out there people are freezing! Such topics should not be raised, especially before the election. But right now, they’ll tell you that all this is a lie, that everything in GREYDBRITAN blooms and smells, and only those who do not want to work in excellent market conditions swell from hunger ...
  9. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 21 December 2017 16: 32
    +8
    Quote: 210ox
    But what about us, these are not similar figures of increasing inequality? Even bigger. Yes, and do not give a damn about the impoverishment in the West.

    Spit! Only if here:
    "The United States does not have a single freezing port, and its northern territories lie on the latitude of the Kiev region. In the southern part of this country, two crops are harvested. And Russia does not have ice-free ports, which is why its merchant fleet is forced from three to five months It is idle in the year. Our agriculture is located in a harsh zone, and only a dozen regions in the south are capable of producing good crops. Due to harsh climatic conditions, we must spend twice as much material on housing construction than in America, not to mention financial Due to the harsh climate, building industrial enterprises costs Russia more than the United States by 40 percent. Naturally, such a climate zone requires 50-60 percent more costs for clothing and other expenses, which does not make our population richer ... ",
    we have, as you say, similar figures, which means we live even worse than them ...
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 22 December 2017 12: 12
      +2
      How is it not freezing ports? But on the Black Sea, are hummocks disturbing?
      1. Antares
        Antares 22 December 2017 23: 36
        +2
        Quote: housewife
        How is it not freezing ports? But on the Black Sea, are hummocks disturbing?

        “Most Russian ports are located in freezing seas. There are several ice-free ports in Russia: Murmansk, Makhachkala, Nakhodka, Novorossiysk, Sakhalin Oblast (Kholmsk, Nevelsk, Korsakov) and Kaliningrad. The rest require ice pilotage from 2 to 6 months a year.”
        Maybe the author meant that the Black Sea ports of the Russian Federation are more prone to (the same boron) cataclysms than the ports of the same Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 23 December 2017 12: 44
          +1
          You know, boron is not so terrible as it is painted. Another year, 20 days of strong wind are accumulated in total, and sometimes it can do without it. The port plows around the clock, breaks due to bora are extremely rare.
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 24 December 2017 21: 58
            0
            Quote: housewife
            You know, boron is not so terrible as it is painted. Another year, 20 days of strong wind are accumulated in total, and sometimes it can do without it. The port plows around the clock, breaks due to bora are extremely rare.

            The problem is that the Black Sea is located in the south, where it is mainly agriculture, and all industry, oil production, mining, forest is all the North, Urals, Siberia. To transport ore, wood, metal and other things across the country to the Black Sea, and then through the narrow Turkish Bosphorus and other people's Dardanelles, how much will it cost? Think for yourself. Black and the Mediterranean are inland seas that do not have direct access to the ocean.
    2. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn 23 December 2017 11: 19
      0
      Yeah. Compare with life in the countries of Scandinavia. What about ports, agriculture, and construction?
  10. VladGashek
    VladGashek 21 December 2017 16: 35
    10
    In many ways, I agree with the author. My friend’s daughter regularly flew from England to treat her teeth in Moscow. Giving birth also came to Moscow and never returned to her husband. The middle class does not have enough money in England to support an only child. So now they live in two countries as a guest marriage. However, all this does not justify the growth of poverty in our country. Often I see pensioners who scour the shops for yellow sale price tags and swear by the city hall for the liquidation of small markets and stalls where it was possible to sell them overdue.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 21 December 2017 17: 08
      +4
      Quote: Vladgashek
      My friend’s daughter regularly flew from England to treat her teeth in Moscow.

      I agree, you can’t sign up for dentistry, some Germans and British !!! We have to go to their rotting Germany .. Share .. !!!!!
      1. the lord
        the lord 22 December 2017 02: 56
        +2
        Do you have anything specifically to object to VladGashek on his story? Or is a troll a disease and it would be worth it to regret you? Duck you are not here for this))
        1. Romulus
          Romulus 22 December 2017 03: 49
          0
          Quote: znavel
          Or the troll is a disease

          You are a sick lord ..
          1. the lord
            the lord 23 December 2017 14: 58
            0
            And you still have to study and study to the doctor. Romulus
        2. Petr1968
          Petr1968 22 December 2017 11: 15
          +1
          Quote: znavel
          Do you have anything specifically to object to VladGashek on his story?

          I agree with his story 100%. And where is the troll? I know more interesting stories about poverty and decay of the West. For work, three times a year I visit Germany. I love the Czech Republic myself. Therefore, I know both the outside and the inside (I stay with the locals). And with all responsibility I say, as richly as people in Russia do not live there. We have both GDP growing and life expectancy, and yesterday I watched the VTsIOM survey on the level of happiness - space is so simple. Everything is the other way around there. Decay, poverty and poverty ... people say that they can’t even cure their teeth (I haven’t met such people personally, but I can’t disbelieve a respected person)
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 22 December 2017 12: 15
            +3
            And I will laugh about teeth. Our neighbors left for the states in the 91st. Teeth come to do here. And one of them, who left as a child, learned to be a dentist.
            1. Petr1968
              Petr1968 22 December 2017 12: 46
              +3
              Quote: housewife
              And I will laugh about teeth. Our neighbors left for the states in the 91st. Teeth come to do here. And one of them, who left as a child, learned to be a dentist.

              I laugh too. Whenever possible, I fly my teeth in the Lugansk region. Really cheaper and the same equipment.
          2. the lord
            the lord 23 December 2017 15: 04
            +1
            That's how it turns out, they seem to agree, but it smells bad. And the article and comments in its support not for the fact that we already live better than them, but for the fact that everything that happens right now in Europe is clearly leading away from well-being. At that we there like sheep on the same path did not trample. And so - yes, for them to smell everything in colors, you need to live a little longer as they live right now. That's when their dukes and barons will return everything to themselves that they had given, so that it wouldn’t go to the communists, then the fun will begin))) And while you can use all the "wisdom" of the life there.
            1. Petr1968
              Petr1968 26 December 2017 13: 50
              +1
              Quote: znavel
              That we there like sheep on the same path did not trample

              We are not bees, we do not have a collective mind. For some, a car is evil, but for someone, a dream. For some people, an iPhone of plastics, and someone will sell their soul for it, someone else has a great vacation in Sochi, but for someone it’s a garbage dump ... How did you easily unite everyone and put out one line along which you have to go. As I understand it, you clearly see EVERYTHING moving away or approaching .. Personally, I am more comfortable in Munich than in Voronezh .. But while Voronezh is going to the same place where you ... are on your way.
              1. the lord
                the lord 7 January 2018 02: 47
                0
                I’m sorry for the past time, there was no ability to go to the site. but if you answer your own contradiction, you don’t see how everyone can follow the same path, then you and Voronezh follow the same path with me. People of course are different and each has its own way. only she is always within the same limits, as indeed in nature. Streams and streams going in one direction are a river. and in different swamp. However, everything has a framework. Europe will pull even with reforms in relation to its landlords, and Europeans will have the highest rents, and so they won’t pull on life)))). Some will resist this, but the majority, which will determine the order for all, will follow a common path.
    2. passing
      passing 21 December 2017 17: 08
      +7
      However, all this does not justify the growth of poverty in our country. Often I see pensioners who scour the shops for yellow sale price tags and swear by the city hall for the liquidation of small markets and stalls where it was possible to sell them overdue.

      The growth of poverty in our country is not justified by anything. In addition to the Wishlist of the ruling elite.
      1. vka
        vka 22 December 2017 05: 32
        0
        yeah, you still say that we weaned them to work PROBALTOV (as they say) and for this now we must also get them a lot of money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  11. BAI
    BAI 21 December 2017 16: 54
    +4
    Can I live in this poverty?
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 21 December 2017 17: 02
      +4
      Not a patriot? We will not allow you to live in beggars abroad, live in poverty here!
    2. Alf
      Alf 21 December 2017 21: 27
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      Can I live in this poverty?

      What problems ? Move to another country, now in Russia no one is holding anyone and the bloody gebnya does not fix any problems with leaving.
  12. Petr1968
    Petr1968 21 December 2017 17: 06
    +9
    It seems to me that in the end it was necessary to add that Russia is a much more successful economic country, that in recent years we have only become richer and richer, that our salaries and pensions have been ahead of the European ones for a long time. Our people can safely travel (financially calm) around the world and show the success of our model with their own example. Well, somehow it’s necessary that any citizen of the Russian Federation understands how lucky he is and how unlucky the German and Englishman are ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 21 December 2017 21: 30
      +2
      Quote: Petr1968
      In recent years, we have only become richer and richer that our salaries and pensions have long been ahead of the European ones by an order of magnitude.

      ???? We are so rich that the average salary in CHINA (!) Is already ahead of the average in Russia.
      1. vka
        vka 22 December 2017 05: 27
        0
        so what do we compare with shaving or quick-eyed
  13. already a Muscovite
    already a Muscovite 21 December 2017 19: 07
    +4
    Actually, this is natural. The rich will be rich, and the poor will be poor. This is at the very core of capitalism. At the expense of whom can the rich become even richer ?. Only at the expense of the poorer. If 10 people take a loan from the bank, each 100 rubles, at 10% (for example) per annum. After a year, everyone should return to the bank, 110 rubles each. Will everyone repay this loan? And due to what and whom?
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 22 December 2017 12: 20
      +4
      Due to earn! And do not take loans. I live without loans, within my means. Let small means, but owes nothing to anyone. Credits corrupt. And only banks are enriched. Why the hell should I feed them, I'm not rich to contain bankers. You take strangers for a while, you give yours forever!
      1. Alf
        Alf 22 December 2017 21: 12
        +2
        Quote: housewife
        Why the hell should I feed them, I'm not rich to contain bankers.

        Madame, have you ever wondered why the installments without interest are constantly going on in stores? Banks need it, from empty to empty pour? Or bankers philanthropists?
        It's just that in stores, the bank pays interest in advance to the price of the goods. Even if you bought something for cash, then anyway, some of the money you paid is transferred to the bank. And if you bought a thing on credit, you paid double interest to the bank.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 21: 22
          +9
          Quote: Alf
          It's just that in stores, the bank pays interest in advance to the price of the goods.

          Not certainly in that way. Stores in the price lay their, ahem, margin .. This, as a rule, is noticeably more than 5-10-15%.
          As a result, the store can afford to give you a discount on goods purchased on credit, precisely for the amount of "interest" that the bank will wind up on this loan.
          As a result, you get "installment without interest."
          So here it is:
          Quote: Alf
          Even if you bought something for cash, then anyway, some of the money you paid is transferred to the bank.

          wrong.
          And this:
          Quote: Alf
          And if you bought a thing on credit, you paid double interest to the bank

          Generally from nowhere follows.
          So here yes
        2. a housewife
          a housewife 23 December 2017 12: 47
          +1
          So I’d better take it for cash, so at least I’ll give the double price to them. In general, this is disgusting, why do banks interfere in the trading process? There is a manufacturer, transport, seller and buyer. Banks are superfluous.
          1. Alf
            Alf 23 December 2017 15: 13
            +1
            Quote: housewife
            In general, this is disgusting, why do banks interfere in the trading process?

            Because they want money, without putting effort.
          2. E_V_N
            E_V_N 24 December 2017 22: 12
            +2
            Quote: housewife
            In general, this is disgusting, why do banks interfere in the trading process? There is a manufacturer, transport, seller and buyer. Banks are superfluous.

            But because by all the imaginable and unthinkable media, it just sounds like "need" cheap "loans to businesses, builders," cheap "household loans," cheap "mortgages from everywhere loans, loans, loans. Do you think traders and businessmen are much smarter than the country's population? They sincerely believe, but I don’t have business, trade, but I’ll take a loan and everything will work out for me. A credit fan is like a gamer who dreams of winning back at this last 1001 bet and, as a result, is losing everything.
      2. already a Muscovite
        already a Muscovite 23 December 2017 05: 06
        0
        dear housewife, it’s not about you personally ... But about the situation in the economy as a whole ... The bank that gave 10 people loans in the total cost of 1000 rubles wants to get 1100. And will receive. In this formula, those who will not give up and will remain should be originally laid down ..
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 23 December 2017 12: 57
          +2
          Exactly, the system itself is so constructed. Not economic in general, but banking. It is the credit system that corrupts, it seems to a person that he received the goods almost for nothing. He will give back gradually. Twice as many, but they don’t want to think about it. One loan, the second, the tenth, and now there’s nothing to pay, but others will pay for it, the goods are still bought. If people themselves did not grab goods on credit, but how to convince them of this? In the Union there were installments. Real, without increasing prices. There were two good points. Installments could only get working citizens. That is, there was a guarantee that the person would pay off, since the company itself transferred the money, and the person did not have the right to quit if the debt was hanging on him. It was beneficial for both the store and the person.
          1. Alf
            Alf 23 December 2017 15: 17
            +2
            Quote: housewife
            Exactly, the system itself is so constructed. Not economic in general, but banking.

            It is banking. In a normal economy, the leading role in the country's economy belongs to industry as a producer of goods. And in Russia, a bet was made on intermediary services. So it was stated-We do not need industry, we will sell oil and buy everything. As a result, the banking sector became the real economic master of Russia.
  14. Conductor
    Conductor 21 December 2017 20: 04
    +8
    Directly cry hunting! And everything is fine with us, Here are pensioners in chocolate, and housing right here falls into my hands)) and Housing and communal services are just a little muslim)). Let's think about ourselves, for an example compare unemployment benefits.
  15. 82т11
    82т11 21 December 2017 20: 40
    +4
    Not surprisingly, after the collapse of the USSR, the elite of the West did not have any restraining moments. Is it any wonder that slavery again appeared (I mean Libya, ISIS and Afghanistan). And I think that it will only get worse, because automation and robotization makes a huge number of people unnecessary. Or does someone think that the richest clans of the West will spend their money on social programs?
    1. 82т11
      82т11 21 December 2017 20: 41
      +3
      PS and for those who live poorly in Russia they can go abroad; nobody holds them here!
  16. Normal ok
    Normal ok 21 December 2017 20: 43
    +6
    In 1980, 1% of US citizens owned 22% of the country's national wealth. Today they already own 39%

    Compared to Russia, these are children's games. Researchers cite the following data: the income of the “top 1 percent” of Russian citizens is 20 percent of the income of the entire population, and the top 0,1 percent is 10 percent. At the same time, the value of the assets of 10 percent of the richest Russians approaches 75 percent of the value of all Russian assets - this is almost the level of the United States (and much higher than in Western Europe).
  17. xBoris
    xBoris 21 December 2017 21: 00
    +5
    Hmm .. Everything is true with respect to Russia.
    Salary of junior staff in a large telecom company - not indexed since 2010.
    About the Regions, it’s generally better to remain silent. It’s a sin for us with our incomes to complain about life.
    But in the Moscow Region, finding a job for 30 or more became a very difficult problem.
    In fact, all revenues, hiding behind the crisis, are appropriated by the owners of firms and companies.
    And no reasonable way out - I mean the feedback and influence on the owners - is not expected.
    1. SPLV
      SPLV 22 December 2017 02: 09
      +3
      Quote: xBoris
      all incomes, hiding behind the crisis, are appropriated by the owners of firms and companies.

      So then it is, ale trochki not so. I don’t know what the size of employer contributions abroad, but the fact that in Russia is honest, I emphasize that an honest employer pays more than 40% of an employee’s salary to state funds, yes. So the declared 13% income tax is nothing more than a fiction. Not always the "capitalist" in Russia does not want to pay a salary. Sometimes just not able to.
      1. E_V_N
        E_V_N 24 December 2017 22: 20
        +1
        Quote: SPLV
        I don’t know what the size of employer contributions abroad, but the fact that in Russia is honest, I emphasize that an honest employer pays more than 40% of an employee’s salary to state funds, yes. So the declared 13% of income tax is nothing more than a fiction.

        And you ask Depardieu or Seagal what they lost in Russia, and you will find out that they fled from taxes, there are progressive taxes, you get a lot to pay a lot. And you generally know that in Russia with taxes exceeding 520 thousand taxes are generally equal to zero, including for the employer.
  18. ibirus
    ibirus 21 December 2017 21: 09
    +2
    This sad picture leads only to one thought - soon the change in the form of use of the natural resources of those countries that cannot protect themselves will begin, and simply their robbery. As one movie character said: "It seems to me that we are on the eve of a grandiose chucher."
  19. peta locksmith
    peta locksmith 21 December 2017 21: 24
    +6
    right now I'll pay ... poor west ...
    Yes, in Europe always lived like that ...
    and in polosatia too
    it’s just been rubbed into us that the west is great - America is a dream ...
    but in reality - a tough economy in everything and everything .... and such a tough stratification in society
    this is not for you in the USSR - free medicine and education - this is the west - you can’t pay - die ...
  20. VladimS
    VladimS 21 December 2017 21: 30
    0
    Quote: Trotil42
    The threshold of poverty in the United States 1 thousand dollars. at comparable prices ... oh, we would have to impoverish them ..

    Two-room apartment: 1 people * - communal apartment + electric + hotline. Telephone + gas costs 3,5 -4 tyr.
    Since it is in bucks, it’s not difficult to calculate.
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 21 December 2017 21: 49
      +3
      Hmm ... apparently it’s a village or village. I pay in NN for odnushka in 40 squares 5+ tyr for all of the above + overhauls. Moreover, the price has increased over the past 3 years by almost 50%. Moreover, for the same period, the salary decreased from 1 thousand eternally green to barely 600 (which, by the way, is still higher than the average and especially the median profit and sn for the region per capita).
      Well, then you read this brainwashing and already feel better right away. Rotting s.
    2. Dedall
      Dedall 22 December 2017 00: 54
      +4
      Somehow it’s very good with you, VladimS. Yesterday I received receipts for rent and there for 32 sq. M. in the amount of 8 thousand rubles.
    3. SPLV
      SPLV 22 December 2017 02: 15
      +4
      Quote: VladimS
      Two-room apartment: 1 people * - communal apartment + electric + hotline. Telephone + gas costs 3,5 -4 tyr.

      Cool. I only have so much heating. If there were water and gas without meters, then I would pay for all ten thousand, and so about eight.
  21. 406ppm2gv
    406ppm2gv 21 December 2017 22: 02
    +2
    Quote: VladimS
    Quote: Trotil42
    The threshold of poverty in the United States 1 thousand dollars. at comparable prices ... oh, we would have to impoverish them ..

    Two-room apartment: 1 people * - communal apartment + electric + hotline. Telephone + gas costs 3,5 -4 tyr.
    Since it is in bucks, it’s not difficult to calculate.

    where are these rates? I have odnushka 5.725 main square, elevator 1000, kapitalka 431, electric 600, TV.300 total 8057. no penalty 1 kopecks.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 22 December 2017 12: 29
      +1
      Private house, three residents, water, gas (heating, column, stove), electricity (two refrigerators, two TVs, two computers, washing machine, lighting, two microwaves and small things - mixers, irons, etc.), internet , phone - about 3, 5 - 3, 8 thousand.
  22. tochila
    tochila 21 December 2017 22: 44
    +2
    Great! It turns out that our MAGNETS and FIVE there is still room for striving to the level of VOLMART !!! Soon, our people will start working for food !!! Capitalism is cannibalism !!!
    1. SPLV
      SPLV 22 December 2017 02: 19
      0
      Quote: tochila
      Soon ours will start working for food !!!

      Do you think otherwise? Already paid so. And in some stores, even discounts for employees from 0,5 to 5%.
  23. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 22 December 2017 12: 36
    0
    ... when at home the same problems https://vz.ru/news/2017/12/22/900904.html
  24. sergej987
    sergej987 22 December 2017 17: 18
    +1
    Correct article about info war. I can say for Britain, because I have been living here for 13 years. There was no case of pensioners in 16 and there was no winter. Winter was in 09-10. You can believe about the dead old people if you do not know the local heating system. Everything here works a little differently. I really wanted to go to Russia, but it’s scary and probably not the same years.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 22 December 2017 17: 30
      +2
      Tell us about the local heating system. So we will know.
      1. sergej987
        sergej987 22 December 2017 17: 59
        +3
        Each house has an individual heating device and a fireplace, as a tribute to history (they also have separate taps as a tribute to the past, there are no mixers). In Britain there are a lot of gas houses. In Ireland, mainly on kerosene. I have a heating season (depending on the price of oil) from 250 to 400 pounds a year. With gas it’s easier, you put the house thermostat at the right temperature and you are heated, but gas is expensive, but there’s no crap with service, the bill comes once every 3 months.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 23 December 2017 13: 00
          +2
          Well, I have a gas heating boiler, a column, and ... a fireplace. When the stove was broken, a stone was used, the husband himself put down the fireplace and trimmed it with a wild stone. Sometimes we kindle, on holidays.
          1. sergej987
            sergej987 23 December 2017 20: 12
            +1
            Gas is very expensive here! I bought coal for a fireplace from local people and it turned out to be from Kuzbass.
        2. Anyone
          Anyone 23 December 2017 23: 44
          +1
          Heating season 250 pounds? This is something like 20000. Almost a penny ... Now let someone tell me how heating can be more expensive in Russia than in the UK, if the UK buys gas / oil, and we get it from us?
          In Moscow. region the average cost of gasification of a private house from 500 000 rubles. excluding the cost of equipment and installation of the boiler room.
          The heating season on pellets (I have such a boiler) - 50 000 rubles. This is 5 tons.
          I understand, of course, that the climate is different, but this does not explain the difference at times.
        3. E_V_N
          E_V_N 24 December 2017 22: 27
          0
          Quote: sergej987
          I have a heating season (depending on the price of oil) from 250 to 400 pounds a year. With gas it’s easier, you put the house thermostat at the right temperature and you are heated, but gas is expensive, but there’s no crap

          It remains to find out what temperature you set on the thermostat, and how many rooms you heat in the winter.
          1. sergej987
            sergej987 3 January 2018 02: 43
            0
            Personally, I do not save and always go in shorts at home in winter. I don’t set the thermostat because the weather changes every day. An approximate algorithm is three hours later. It’s enough for a night and an hour. My daughter runs around the house in a sleeveless shirt for 2 years. the floor of the house almost all the locals walk in shoes.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 23 December 2017 21: 39
      +4
      [quote = sergej987] Correct article about info war. I can say for Britain, because I have been living here for 13 years. There was no case of pensioners in 16 and there was no winter. Winter was in 09-10. You can believe about the dead old people if you do not know the local heating system. Everything works a little differently here. I really wanted to go to Russia, but it’s scary and probably not the years. [/ Quote
      I really wanted to leave for Russia, but here it was no longer the RSFSR, I would not risk it either. drinks
      1. sergej987
        sergej987 3 January 2018 02: 43
        0
        I'm a little old for Russia.
  25. Awaz
    Awaz 22 December 2017 19: 27
    +2
    During the existence of the USSR, swindlers and thieves of the West, were forced to compromise for the population, because the population saw that in the USSR there was also an 8 hour working day and medicine and education and all that. The West specially created the so-called middle class, which would decompose the population of the USSR, showing this very middle class in the cinema and in general. However, the ordinary population lived approximately at the level of Soviet citizens, and in some places having serious problems with social security and with medicine and with access to education.
    Now the process has begun to spread, as one does not have to think about ordinary people.
  26. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 23 December 2017 11: 48
    0

    Not. We have better. No questions.
    "I’ll go outside, look at the village,
    The girls are walking and I have fun. "
  27. Galleon
    Galleon 23 December 2017 13: 02
    +1
    Quote: Mih1974
    morality must be changed, so that the Rich SAM would give its "surplus"

    Such morality has already been and has been disassembled by human greed and desire to rule. Read the laws of Israel of the period of Judges in the Old Testament - science fiction and the dream of mankind by today's standards. I don’t even speak about Christian ethics ... It remains with some people. Next year, Sobyanin erects monuments to all patriarchs at 4m high at the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, including Kirill !!! All the poor were fed, all poor children were educated, all the tears were wiped away and dried up ... only monuments remained ...
  28. turbris
    turbris 23 December 2017 15: 41
    +1
    Quote: znavel
    In the USSR, there were problems with providing for the population, but at the same time, everyone who wanted everything had it legally. In the USSR there was another disaster, they themselves did not want to bother with acquisitions.
    Reply Qi

    You probably lived in the family of a party worker, trade worker, or someone close to you worked in the executive committee, because the life of this category of people in the USSR was significantly different from the life of the rest of the people, I don’t remember the case that someone did not want to bother with the acquisition - you are our storyteller!
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 23 December 2017 21: 35
      +5
      Normal people worked normally and lived normally. The bothers were with the bastards, who voted for Yeltsin later, but broke off - instead of the desired jeans from America, they first got Turkish, and then Chinese, but there was no one to complain laughing
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 24 December 2017 01: 20
        0
        Quote: Doliva63
        but broke off - instead of the desired jeans from America, they first got Turkish, and then Chinese, but there was no one to complain laughing

        Who needs these jeans from the comrade of the Communists to get a devil of problems, like food in special shops, you don’t have to count everyone for fools ...
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 24 December 2017 18: 18
          +5
          I was a communist. He has not worn jeans since childhood. And did not draw. And he didn’t see his party comrades in them. About special stores, being the secretary of the party organization, I have not heard. He ate in the usual canteen of AHCh.
          True, in the 89th, like many who disagreed with Gorbi’s idea of ​​“surrendering” the GDR, he left the party. Because it was no longer a party, but just about anything. Perhaps then jeans appeared “without problems”, and special stores, I don’t know.
          I don’t count anyone for fools. Except for those who brainlessly repeat the on-duty stamps of the media during the “perestroika” period.
          1. turbris
            turbris 24 December 2017 19: 10
            +1
            Doliva63 - why are you fooling people again, the secretary of the party organization is not the nomenclature, but the elected post, but still close to the party structures and directorate, you were not an employee of the party’s district committee? And the fact that they did not hear anything about special stores is hard to believe. Special services for party workers were introduced under Stalin.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 25 December 2017 17: 10
              +4
              In vain you run over. I served in the army. There was one special store for everyone - Voentorg.
              Yes, there was EVERYTHING. And everyone could buy. Not everyone knew, of course, but no one bothered to ask laughing One day in the 80s, when the word "deficit" appeared, it hit the Voentorg district warehouses. There Zhiguli stood in the open air to the horizon! With me, the ensign released the car to the buyer. Need red? Pity, here they are. Don't like the shade? Look next, there are different ones. Yes, any color, choose! And you brought a gasoline in vain with you - I’ll fill you up with 10 liters. Yes you start, do not be shy! laughing
              At the meat warehouse they asked only - are you on the invoice or for the money? And the choice - you sway!
              Then he visited a military trade store in the city. From the memory that he saw in the warehouses, he asked. The saleswoman sent to the basement - there are such wines, shopipets! Choose! I bought, I remember, Marsala. Without reference to the party and brandishing a membership card laughing
              But in the 2000s, the traffic police stopped him at night, I accidentally gave him the EP ticket instead of rights. Then he worked there. The traffic police only asked - is there any right? Of course! Well, good luck. Party membership card didn’t "work" like that laughing With him, only cognac in an ordinary store, when he was not in uniform, he bought - under the age of 21, he didn’t seem to be selling then, and he didn’t want to show his ID.
  29. Doliva63
    Doliva63 23 December 2017 21: 26
    +4
    I read, thought, ancestors remembered. Where is it written to the Red Guard?
  30. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 24 December 2017 01: 18
    0
    Every day I would read articles about the empirialists ...
  31. trahterist
    trahterist 24 December 2017 21: 38
    +1
    Quote: MooH
    Yeah, you have to know how to go too far. I recommend writing horror stories to the author. You think about this figure - 40.000 Britons died in their homes from the cold in one winter. The picture is drawn of a giant concentration camp with black smoke of burned corpses from boiler pipes, hardly heating the few survivors. That's what life without Russian gas leads to. Next time I’ll be in England, by God I’ll take an interest in how many tons of coal or pellets for a fireplace you can buy for an average pension. I suspect dozens.

    You can not bother.
    A standard British double-bed house / flat, for gas (a boiler, and this is Heating only) in winter costs ~ 5 £ (if, of course, you don’t wrap yourself in a sweater with cotton pants, then less). Plus, city taxes 100-150 £ / month., Depending on the state of killing the hut.
    Electricity for two will be released at 50 £ / month.
    Water / sewage-50-75 £ / month.
    Rent. Well here, the dealer depends on the greyhound, starting from 110-120 £ / per week.
    Well, consider, the sources gave averaged, as I spend and a bunch of friends.
    The watchmaker’s simple workman’s watch is £ 7,50, more than 40 hours a week hell where else you get, there are stones too. About 5-7 years ago overtime did not skimp, now.
    Slowly the nuts still tighten ... such things.
    1. sergej987
      sergej987 3 January 2018 02: 49
      0
      In different cities and parts of the country, it’s different. We have free water and a house tax of 700 a year. But gas is just as deadly!
  32. Shahno
    Shahno 24 December 2017 21: 58
    +1
    In principle, I understand the Russians ... In order to somehow live it is necessary to understand that in Russia everything is not so bad. No, not all is bad. But personally, I don’t like these one-sided articles at all. The USA sucks, Germany sucks, that’s the main subtext. Immediately recalling future elections.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 27 December 2017 01: 59
      0
      You'd better see how we sprinkle ash on our heads or repent for something, do not wait ...
      When the Israeli Jews come to answer for their deeds, answer for that too ...