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Ukraine restored more 500 self-propelled guns for a strike on Donbass

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Ukrainian command to strike the Donbass led to the combat readiness of more than 500 self-propelled artillery. It is about more than 220 122-mm SAU 2C1 "Carnation" and about three hundred 152-mm SAU "Acacia", reports Messenger of Mordovia.


Ukraine restored more 500 self-propelled guns for a strike on Donbass


In addition, there are currently about a hundred 152-mm 2C5 "Hyacinth", 203-mm 2C7 "Peony", 120-mm 2C9 "Nona C" and 152-mm 2C19 "Msta C".

“I would like to highlight the" Peonies ". Such self-propelled guns are relatively few, only about four dozen. These machines were preserved for a long time and, before getting into the troops, underwent a major overhaul at the Shepetovsky plant. Currently, the data of the ACS can fully perform the tasks. Their 100-kilogram shells can hit targets at a distance of 47 km. The rate of fire - 3 shot for 2 minutes, ”writes the author Dmitry Lemeshko.

It is necessary to mention and more 1200 trunks towed artillery, as well as volley jet systems. “All this is ready to cover the Donbass with a sea of ​​steel and fire. We are already seeing the beginning now, ”he notes.



Some experts note that if in 2014, howitzers and guns of the Ukrainian Armed Forces fired with disgusting precision, now Ukrainian gunners have significantly increased their level of training.

In addition, the use of drones and other means of intelligence has become the norm. In addition, Ukrainians are taking steps to introduce automated controls.



It should be mentioned that from time to time, after the next fire in warehouses, there are publications that the Ukrainian army is about to begin to experience a shortage of shells and mines, “but in fact Ukraine has a huge amount of ammunition that will last for many years war, ”concludes the author.
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  1. Alex777
    Alex777 20 December 2017 12: 47 New
    +2
    When will they calm down? When will the above property become scrap metal? So soon, already. hi
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 20 December 2017 12: 51 New
      12
      Please pay attention to the photos and tables
      http://bmpvsu.ru/009.php
      1. avt
        avt 20 December 2017 13: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Please pay attention to the photos and tables

        According to 1448 base? Yes . Chose a lot ......
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 20 December 2017 13: 11 New
          +3
          Salyarka where they take scum? Block their access to fuel and let them jump on the armor. Grasshoppers.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 20 December 2017 13: 21 New
            +9
            In Belarus.
            1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 20 December 2017 13: 27 New
              +7
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              In Belarus.

              There, Russian oil is undergoing decommunization and Ukrainians receive Svidomo diesel fuel.
            2. Antares
              Antares 20 December 2017 15: 40 New
              +8
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              In Belarus.

              But the Russian Federation does not deliver anything? Partners trade bless you

              350-550 thousand tons of diesel fuel are consumed monthly in Ukraine, depending on the season (up to $ 280 million at current prices).
              In September, deliveries of Russian diesel fuel to Ukraine exceeded the import of Belarusian diesel fuel by 13,5 thousand tons.
              According to UPECO consulting company, in September, Ukrainian companies imported 509 thousand tons of diesel fuel, which is 53,9 thousand tons more than in August 2017.
              Of the total diesel fuel imports for the period, 40,6% is accounted for by the Russian resource for production of Rosneft group refineries, and 39,7% accounted for the Belarusian Mozyr and Novopolotsk refineries.
              In addition, in September, 7,7 thousand tons of diesel fuel produced by the Orsk refinery were handled in the Yuzhny seaport. Also, 1 thousand tons of the Russian diesel fuel produced by the Salavatsky Oil Refinery (Gazprom) was delivered to Ukraine via the railway to OOO Perspektiva Tradegroup.
              Thus, the share of Russian diesel fuel in imports in September amounted to 42,3%.
              Structure of diesel fuel import in September by country of origin,%: Russia - 42,3; Belarus - 39,7; Lithuania - 11,4; Turkmenistan - 3,4; others - 1,3
              But Lukashenko is still to blame for something ...
              1. cariperpaint
                cariperpaint 21 December 2017 03: 40 New
                0
                but there’s no one at all to blame. outbid even if the ban will be introduced. it is practically not trackable. and a ban on what grounds?
        2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 20 December 2017 13: 13 New
          +4
          Surprisingly, over the entire independence period at the 1148 base, those who guarded this good did not turn in scrap - either they were lazy or had other more significant sources of income

        3. Pancir026
          Pancir026 20 December 2017 18: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: avt
          Yes

          How do you like this?
          1. Walker, who said that 2017 was the bloodiest since the conflict began, once again confirmed how far he is from understanding the realities. He is firmly convinced that the history of the conflict should begin with his appointment as "ambassador", and not with the bloody 2014.

          2. The West considers the "UN peacekeeping operation" as the actual occupation of Donbass.

          All participants seriously stated that this mission would determine even a “temporary civil administration” in the Donbass both before and after the “elections” organized by the West there. There were suggestions that this would last two or three years, or even more.

          3. They are firmly convinced that the format of the mission does not need to agree with either the Donbass, or even Russia. The fact that they did not bother to provide at least someone who explained the position of the Russian Federation is further evidence of this.

          4. One of the main tasks of the mission they see in the complete blockade of Donbass from Russia. Without even discussing what a humanitarian catastrophe this will turn out to be.

          5. According to them, the UN mission should include up to 50 thousand military personnel.

          6. As an example, they constantly cited the UN mission in Serbian Krajina. Moreover, the representative of the Razumkov Center even boasted that, being the head of the Ukrainian contingent there, he covered with his helicopters the operation of the Croatian special forces against the “Serbian bandits”.

          That is, you understand whose operation they want to cover in the Donbass with the hands of peacekeepers?

          7. The West knows exactly what to do if Russia does not agree to these ultimatum conditions. But he doesn’t ask at all: why is this all for Russia?
          https://narod-novosti.com/politika/?p=zapad-rassm
          atrivaet-mirotvorcheskuyu-operatsiyu-oon-kak-okku
          patsiyu-donbassa & utm_source = warfiles.ru
          It seems that the West will definitely arrange some kind of dirty trick between January and March ..
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 20 December 2017 13: 09 New
        +6
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Please pay attention to the photos and tables
        http://bmpvsu.ru/009.php


        The tables are certainly alarming. Only the technique must still be sober head to apply. There is a high probability that half of what went into storage went to spare parts or to a landfill. Or go to the dump in the first minutes ...
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 20 December 2017 13: 20 New
          +6
          Or through Bulgaria and to Syria.
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 20 December 2017 12: 52 New
      +1
      They hint at us. That with the large-scale offensive of the Armed Forces, the Russian VKS can not do
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 20 December 2017 12: 58 New
        +7
        Quote: Chertt
        That with the large-scale offensive of the Armed Forces, the Russian VKS can not do

        Ukraine is also restoring air defense systems.
        1. hrych
          hrych 20 December 2017 15: 06 New
          +6
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Ukraine is also restoring air defense systems.

          They will be crushed safely by electronic warfare systems, anti-radar missiles, and control centers, communications, the Prezik Palace, Radu, SBU and the Ministry of Internal Affairs will be struck by Iskander, Caliber and Onyx. I mean, if the Russian Federation decides, then this scum has nothing to oppose. Another thing, as the Supreme decides. However, there are methods much more efficient and ruthless to simply shut off the gas vent, especially in winter, especially in connection with an accident in Austria. There is another method, to limit the blow to the Parliament and Prezik. There is the easiest way, without entering the battle, send troops into the LDNR, and the Armed Forces, at least, will engage in offensive operations. In principle, the best thing is to tell Poroshenko that he and his family will be liquidated, he is a trader, not a patriot ... am
          1. Antares
            Antares 20 December 2017 15: 44 New
            +6
            Quote: hrych
            Will hit Iskander, Caliber and Onyx. I mean, if the Russian Federation decides, then this scum has nothing to oppose.

            hmm .. the opportunity to do this is. But when there was time for a free solution to the problem, even through proxies they did not dare. So there will be no Russian strike on Kiev. Firstly, they are partners., Secondly, the demonization of the Russian Federation and other economic consequences. about which propagandists constantly write (in the topics why LDNR was not taken in the Russian Federation) will be realized.
            1. hrych
              hrych 20 December 2017 16: 25 New
              +3
              Quote: Antares
              secondly, the demonization of the Russian Federation and other economic consequences. which propagandists constantly write about (in topics why LDNR was not taken in the Russian Federation)

              The fact is that import substitution has been made, i.e. the economy was rebuilt under the sanctions war. It took several years. Motor Sich replaced UEC-Klimov, otherwise the Russian Federation was left without main helicopter engines, i.e. the main helicopter fleet Mi-17, Mi-8, Mi-24, Mi-35, Mi-26, Mi-28 was under threat. It took time. Also, a break with Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, Antonov Design Bureau, etc., required time for replacement. At that time, all these things had to be calculated. Ahead, with a battle cry, it’s good, but you need to consider the consequences. Donbass - the greatest pantry of resources, production, production and infrastructure needed to be rebuilt for normal life and work, rebuilt logistics, etc. It takes time, otherwise the Russian Federation would go to chaotic regions, a strike would be struck for aviation and missile industries. Time won. Also, the western group of troops of the Russian Federation was completely unprepared in 2014, now it is ready as never before. Crimea was not integrated, it stupidly blocked drinking water and electricity, now the bridge is being completed. Logistics is completed, Crimea is not ballast, but a full-fledged part of the Russian Federation. Two and a half million people of Crimea, almost 4 million people of LDNR who must work, receive social programs, etc. All this is on the shoulders of the Russian economy. More than 6 million - the number of not the smallest states, you can’t take them at once, almost 5% of the population of the Russian Federation. Well, the new weapons had to be run in and learn how to use them, and to shake the antiquity in Syria ...
              https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3864456.htm
              l
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 20 December 2017 13: 28 New
        +4
        “All this is ready to cover the Donbass with a sea of ​​steel and fire. We already see the beginning now ”

        They for this need not be planted at the negotiating table, but laid on the pathologist’s table ... and, however, it is better to let fertilizers go right away.
      3. Per se.
        Per se. 20 December 2017 13: 30 New
        +8
        Quote: Chertt
        without Russian videoconferencing can not do
        The whole question is, if the "Barbarossa plan" begins "against the Donbass, whether Russia will interfere ... If not, while creating multiple superiority," Ukrovermaht "will be able to reach the border with Russia by crushing or bypassing the LDNR forces. Get it from Bandera, they are unlikely to give up on the Crimea "legitimately" encroach, under the approval of the entire "world community". For the elections in Russia, a global turmoil in the Donbass is quite possible.
    3. 210ox
      210ox 20 December 2017 12: 53 New
      +7
      There is more of this good .. By the way. They began to put muzzle brakes. For a couple of years they showed self-propelled guns without this stray .. And they will calm down only with the help of the Russian peacekeepers. No more.
      Quote: Alex777
      When will they calm down? When will the above property become scrap metal? So soon, already. hi
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 20 December 2017 12: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex777
      When will they calm down? When will the above property become scrap metal? So soon, already. hi


      When they run out.
    5. 79807420129
      79807420129 20 December 2017 12: 57 New
      +7
      Quote: Alex777
      When will they calm down

      Only when snot receive request Or when they no longer believe in Minsk papers that it all works. hi
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 20 December 2017 13: 12 New
        18
        Quote: 79807420129
        when they stop believing in Minsk papers that it all works

        You know how, in general, “Minsk-1” was perceived by the mass of the militia in 2014? And how many fightersideological fighters, having left, spat on everything, perceiving it as a betrayal?
        "Minsky", this is real, extending the life of the junta, without which, after Ilovaisk and Debaltseve, they would have been a khan.
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 20 December 2017 13: 14 New
          14
          Quote: Separ DNR
          Do you think, as in general, the mass of the militia was adopted by Minsk-1 in the 2014th? And how many fighters, ideological fighters, spat on everything, perceiving it as a betrayal?

          This was a betrayal, especially 1 Minsk. hi
    6. Orionvit
      Orionvit 20 December 2017 13: 19 New
      +3
      The value of any technique depends on the degree of human ownership of it. With professionalism in the Ukrainian army is not very, even though they try to assure us otherwise. Yes, God bless him with professionalism, they’ll poorly shoot poorly, especially in the presence of ammunition, but with discipline and command, there are definitely problems. Of course they won’t win, but they’ll drink a lot of blood.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 December 2017 12: 47 New
    +4
    If all the same, Bandera dare to decide on large-scale military operations, then Russia will not get out with “concern” and “condemnation”. Maybe this is a calculation.
    1. private person
      private person 20 December 2017 13: 01 New
      +5
      Okay on the couch yell Cheers !! A weak volunteer? And do you think Russia should rush to hohlostan? So this is what the Americans and the Geyropeans are waiting for.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 20 December 2017 13: 05 New
        +3
        Can you read Russian? Or words do not add up to sentences?
        A weak volunteer?
        If I were at least twenty years younger, I wouldn’t ask you how stupid questions.
        1. just exp
          just exp 21 December 2017 03: 54 New
          0
          in general, again, "would."
          Well, judging by the fact that you want to throw off 20 years, then you have adult sons, will you send them for volunteers? or if you don’t have sons, then do any daughters have any men? send them there?
          1. rotmistr60
            rotmistr60 21 December 2017 06: 32 New
            +3
            then you have adult sons, send them
            You, by your stupidity (not knowing a person), have touched upon a sore subject. I have one son died, the second veteran of the Chechen war. I would not advise you to write such things to strangers.
            1. just exp
              just exp 21 December 2017 09: 37 New
              0
              I’m sorry, this is really a tragedy, only you didn’t answer the question.
              Will you send other sons still alive?
              otherwise I’ll send all the sons of others already, after some news I start to boil and posts roll in the style of “when we’ll hit”, and by the way I myself can basically go and if I’ll be called, I’ll not sober up, but when I look soberly I understand the situation, that it’s better to be at home on the sofa than there in the trench in the snow. and while the situation does not touch the Motherland, he recalls the wise Confucius who said "only when the mosquito sits on your balls you understand that it is not always possible to solve problems by force."
              Shl this topic was generally about the fact that there is a bunch of people on the site who are calling for war, wanting others to freeze in the trenches, die, get injured, and they will sit in the warmth in a comfortable chair and write in the style of "here we are. .... but how do we ...... "
              1. rotmistr60
                rotmistr60 21 December 2017 09: 43 New
                +2
                You read my first comment where it is clearly and in Russian written. And show me the place where I urge to fight with Ukraine. I replied to his private person with his comment and he apparently was satisfied.
  3. RSFSR
    RSFSR 20 December 2017 12: 48 New
    10
    What a safety margin the USSR had. Until now, we are leaving for it, both we and Bendera.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 20 December 2017 13: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: RSFSR
      We are still leaving for it, and we and Bendera

      Bendera, these are residents of the city of Bender. What they are going to in Moldova for is not known.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 20 December 2017 13: 41 New
        +2
        Moldovans also leave on it, they were in the USSR too. lol
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 20 December 2017 15: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: Greenwood
          Moldovans also leave on it, they were in the USSR too.

          Yeah, they drove out until General Lebed buried them a bit there, along with the Romanians. By the way, one of the largest warehouses with artillery ammunition, since the days of the USSR, is still located in Transnistria. Many look at them. And nothing, for some reason there is no fire, like the neighbors. laughing
      2. Normal ok
        Normal ok 20 December 2017 19: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Orionvit
        Quote: RSFSR
        We are still leaving for it, and we and Bendera

        Bendera, these are residents of the city of Bender. What they are going to in Moldova for is not known.

        Moreover, Bender is not Moldova, it is PMR.
  4. Sergey53
    Sergey53 20 December 2017 12: 48 New
    +3
    It can be seen that they are seriously preparing. The command was given to draw us into it by any means.
  5. keeper03
    keeper03 20 December 2017 12: 49 New
    +1
    If the blow is in the Donbas, then the answer will come to the very den of banderlogs - Kiev! So leave your fascist interests to yourself! angry soldier
    1. Hariton laptev
      Hariton laptev 20 December 2017 13: 03 New
      +1
      no, there will once again be coercion to peace. And the sooner we force it, if it starts, the less chance there will be for NATO members from Poland and the Baltic states to ride. But everything shows that banderlogs are being prepared seriously.
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 20 December 2017 19: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: keeper03
      If the blow is in the Donbas, then the answer will come to the very den of banderlogs - Kiev! So leave your fascist interests to yourself! angry soldier

      I wonder where you studied? Do you at least have a little idea what the assault of the 5 millionth megalopolis is?
  6. Angel_and_Demon
    Angel_and_Demon 20 December 2017 12: 49 New
    +7
    In addition, there are currently about a hundred 152-mm 2C5 "Hyacinth", 203-mm 2C7 "Peony", 120-mm 2C9 "Nona C" and 152-mm 2C19 "Msta C".
    the question arises - after what time they will be in the ranks of New Russia
  7. d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir 20 December 2017 12: 50 New
    +1
    that from time to time, after the next fire in the warehouses, publications appear that the Ukrainian army is about to begin to experience shortages of shells and mines, "however, in fact, Ukraine had stockpiled a huge amount of ammunition that would last for many years of the war," the author concludes

    it means they drove from the warehouses of the former Warsaw Pact ...
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 20 December 2017 12: 54 New
      +6
      Quote: d ^ Amir
      it means they drove from the warehouses of the former Warsaw Pact ...

      Nothing, most likely they didn’t carry it ... It was stocked up there for the World War, therefore even the careless Yukraina is not able to frustrate all this "good" ...
      1. d ^ Amir
        d ^ Amir 20 December 2017 12: 55 New
        +3
        with respect!!! but hell for them already how old ???? should already just degrade gunpowder ...
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 20 December 2017 13: 00 New
          +7
          Quote: d ^ Amir
          with respect!!! but hell for them already how old ???? should already just degrade gunpowder ...

          And the situation is that they have what we have - one. They use stale goods from their warehouses, we from others wink And the same, stale ...
          Therefore, our gunners often bullet anywhere, and fight abortion.
          1. d ^ Amir
            d ^ Amir 20 December 2017 13: 34 New
            0
            I see ... well
            and fight abortion

            What is it like????
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR 20 December 2017 13: 38 New
              +9
              Quote: d ^ Amir
              I see ... well
              and fight abortion

              What is it like????

              And this is when a shot does not occur due to a poor-quality pyro cartridge, and the calculation "fights" with the barrel of the mortar in order to "shake out" the mine.
              And from 120m, at all, Santa Barbara ...
              1. d ^ Amir
                d ^ Amir 20 December 2017 13: 43 New
                +1
                mom .... manually shake ??? there’s actually a fuse .... as it were .... softer .... ready to eat .... fun ....
                1. Separ DNR
                  Separ DNR 20 December 2017 13: 46 New
                  +7
                  Quote: d ^ Amir
                  mom .... manually shake ??? there’s actually a fuse .... as it were .... softer .... ready to eat .... fun ....

                  But how differently request ? No way ...
  8. Separ DNR
    Separ DNR 20 December 2017 12: 50 New
    +7
    Ukraine restored more 500 self-propelled guns for a strike on Donbass

    How many self-propelled guns do we have? I do not know no Allocated ...
    And those that nightmare dill are not used massively. One thing is encouraging that those “Carnations" that came across rather "fresh" are not rubbish (unlike BMP, our pain) ...
    But 500 in dill, and came across information that about 600, it is SERIOUS ...
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 20 December 2017 13: 37 New
      +5
      Seriously, brother. But at least a day must be held out.
  9. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 20 December 2017 12: 56 New
    +2
    Few fires. Need more. Each ammunition depot needs 1 fire ...
  10. askort154
    askort154 20 December 2017 13: 03 New
    +1
    Ukraine is entering the stage of agony, which the United States wants to use. The next attempt will probably be the last, but much more bloody. We will have to force them to peace.
  11. g1v2
    g1v2 20 December 2017 13: 09 New
    +7
    All of the above is a technique of 30-40 years ago from storage bases. For such a short period of time, it is simply unrealistic to carry out serious repairs or even modernization of such a number of equipment, and there is especially nowhere. THERE IS NO SUCH REPAIR CAPACITY IN UKRAINE. The conclusion is simple. This 30-40 year old technique is podshamanana to a minimum satisfactory condition. It is unlikely that her resource will be enough for a long time. With any serious exacerbations, it will begin to crumble. request
    This has already happened in 2014. American advisers planned a plan for blocking the border for the U.S. by practically copying their Iraqi tactics. They did not take into account only the state of technology, which began to crumble immediately after the nomination. And it was a regular brigade technique. That is, the passed MOT and the newest one available. The result is the first southern boiler and the equipment of the 72nd, 79th and 24th VSU brigades thrown on the spot.
    To prepare a serious war, dill needs years and a lot of money. So far they have neither one nor the other. request
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 20 December 2017 13: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: g1v2
      30-40 year old technique is podshamanana to a minimum satisfactory condition. It is unlikely that her resource will be enough for a long time. With any serious exacerbations, it will begin to crumble.

      Well, then it turns out we have parity with them. If not numerical then at least qualitative.
      Therefore, we will see what, and from whom the first will begin to crumble.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 20 December 2017 13: 26 New
        +5
        As for the DNI, I will not say, but in the second building (Lugansk), for example, the artillery brigade was re-equipped in MST-B. And her D-30 was given to the Cossacks. And I doubt very much that these MSTA-b are in the same condition as the Ukrainian. Just because the 2nd corps did not capture any significant number of revenge against VSU. So they came from where they relate to technology better than in the university, even if it is also from storage warehouses. wink
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 20 December 2017 13: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: g1v2
          I doubt very much that these MSTA-b are in the same condition as the Ukrainian. Just because the 2nd corps did not capture any significant number of revenge against VSU. So they came from where they relate to technology better than in the university, even if it is also from storage warehouses.

          I already wrote that those self-propelled guns that I saw with us (not trophy) are so-so, but BMP (also not trophies), with the exception of the "Czechs", is something ...
          Therefore, it is obvious that there, what you have, not at all storage bases, Feng Shui.
    2. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 20 December 2017 13: 34 New
      12
      1. "It is unlikely that her resource will be enough for a long time." - Ukrainians need a lot of time to strike at republics. A week of intense fighting - the DPR and LPR are just two narrow strips of territory along the Russian border. Actually, it all depends on two factors:
      - whether the Russian army will intervene;
      - whether she has time to do it.
      2. "With any serious exacerbations, it will begin to crumble." - The quality of republican technology (especially communications and spare parts) is similar, if not worse.
      3. "This has already happened in 2014." - APU then were different, especially in the sense of motivation, combat experience. Communication and fire control (and in the Donbass war artillery is a determining factor) have grown by an order of magnitude.
      4. "... it takes years and a lot of denyuzhek. So far they have neither one nor the other." “They had 3.5 years of limited conflict, ideal for deploying and training a large army.” They give money and help just enough to:
      - defeat the formation of LDNR.
      - Do not let the Russian army crush themselves instantly. in 2014, 4-5 BTGs were defeated by Ukrainians without aviation support, but now this number will not work. APU will still be defeated, but already in a long and bloody battle.
      The loss of time in war and half measures is fatal, which is what we observe, alas ...
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 20 December 2017 13: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: Ryazanets87
        Ukrainians need a lot of time to strike at republics. A week of intense fighting - the DPR and LPR are just two narrow strips of territory along the Russian border.

        Ryazan87, "respect and respect" on all counts! good yes
      2. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 20 December 2017 14: 13 New
        +5
        Actually, we also do not pick our nose.

        Quote: Ryazanets87
        A week of intense fighting - the DPR and LPR are just two narrow strips of territory along the Russian border.

        But this does not work. Not pulled out. Blitzkrieg will fail one hundred percent.
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 20 December 2017 14: 17 New
        +3
        Any army holds on while a soldier HOLDs.
        But this is the question, will they hold on?
        And how many are there such stubborn / brutalized and ready to fight against anyone?
        The "heat" in the battles had long since fallen away, the otter was gone, and in order to mobilize the spirit of the army it is necessary that something extreme, bloody, can’t be done with the bullshit of the Goebels students!
      4. g1v2
        g1v2 20 December 2017 22: 06 New
        +3
        Our propaganda, in my opinion, specifically creates the impression of a "day 3 hold on." Dill provoke another attempt blitzkrieg, and frankly. wink
        If you look at the forces of the parties more carefully, it turns out that there is no such advantage for the All-Russia League that would ensure them a quick victory. The grouping of Ukrainian forces in the anti-terrorist operation zone is 80-90 thousand. And even if it removes troops from the border with Crimea, Transdniestria and Hungary with Poland, it will give them 15 thousand more. As a result, in the best case for Ukraine, they will have double superiority in drugs. And with this advantage it is necessary to storm the millionth city agglomeration, where a completely trained enemy with heavy weapons is sitting? belay CONTRACTORS SO FAST STARTED TO END, AND TERMINALS Dismiss ALL CALLS. The advantage in armored vehicles and artillery will also be twofold at best. And in Ukraine there are no serious reserves to quickly replenish its consumption. At the same time, the stocks of the Worg will last for years. We have stored thousands of t72, carnations, hailstones, acacias. AND THE SHOULDER OF THE CARRIAGE IS COMPLETELY SMALL. request In 2014, there was no one, but the army was not able to defeat disparate militia groups. With a small number of heavy weapons, a complete mess in command and the absence of any well-developed plans. Now, VSU will have to deal with an army approximately equal in quality, albeit a smaller one, but on the defensive. I don’t see any reason for VSU to assume quick success, even if we do not officially join. And for a long fierce war, Ukraine has no resources and a reserve. And 3 years is a minuscule. request
        The only chance of success with dill is if the people's police run away, abandoning their positions and losing their slippers with a cry - "we were betrayed, ticking, lads." Well, there are guys from there. We’ll ask them whether they will run or not? If not, then dill has no chance of a quick victory. request And in general, in my opinion, Ukraine cannot win this war in principle. And any Western help will not change that. And at least a part of Ukrainian politicians say this openly.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 December 2017 10: 36 New
          +2
          They didn’t say Schaub; they do not allow them to live in quietly separated territories!
          They cannot return, they do not want to leave! The issue can only be resolved radically!
          Either change the power in dill, or crush those separated.
          But how else is that ???
        2. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 21 December 2017 11: 20 New
          0
          "Dill provokes another attempt blitzkrieg, and frankly." - I’ll imagine how many Russian people die from this “fun”, I want all these propaganda-provocation figures at once ...
          "As a result, in the best case for Ukraine, they will have double superiority in drugs." - You are very optimistic about the size of the republican forces. The real superiority there is 3 times. Minimum. The issue of aviation is open - in the sense of whether the APU decides to apply it.
          "And with this advantage it is necessary to storm the millionth city agglomeration, where a well-trained enemy with heavy weapons is sitting?" - Of course, Ukrainians will not arrange a direct assault on large cities. Their task is to dissect the territory of the republics and block the border with Russia. More precisely, the main routes of transportation, as normal supply can only be carried out on high-grade roads.
          "We have thousands of tons of t72, carnations, hailstones, acacias in storage. AND THE SHOULDER OF THE CARRIAGE IS COMPLETELY SMALL." - should I get a lift from storage in 3-4 days? And what about the state of this technique? And the crews and calculations, too, from storage? No, only direct intervention of the regular Russian army can save Novorossia. For the rest, there simply will not be time.
          "In 2014, no one, but the army was unable to defeat the disparate militia groups." - provide a map of the combat situation by August 2014? The situation was directly critical, recall what helped?

          Now the Ukrainian army has become much stronger, unfortunately.

          Despite everything, I want to believe that the Russian army will intervene. For 1-2 days. Otherwise it will be too late.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 21 December 2017 11: 47 New
            +4
            Many questions that are not easy to answer.
            So all estimates can turn out to be .... a dummy.
            Not a fortuneteller, I won’t give empty forecasts, I just always remember that a soldier protecting his house MAY make IMPOSSIBLE !!!
            1. Ryazan87
              Ryazan87 21 December 2017 11: 57 New
              +3
              You may be offended, but I will answer with a quote from a famous historical novel:
              "... Now Karl with all his troops landed in Pernov and marches on to Riga ... If now he breaks King Augustus near Riga - in November we have to wait for him here, to us ... How will we meet?
              The senior officer, Artamon Golovin, stood up, bowed, hung his gray eyebrows:
              - Peter Alekseevich, with God's help ...
              - Guns needed! - interrupted Peter, the vein was swollen on his forehead. - Bombs! One hundred twenty thousand scrap kernels! Corned beef, old ... "(c)
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 21 December 2017 12: 19 New
                +3
                Well, yes, can you even consider the Punic wars?
                Although I would prefer as an example 300 Spartans !!!
  12. cannabis
    cannabis 20 December 2017 13: 11 New
    +1
    Lenin fulfilled his plan — he turned the imperialist war into a civil war. Now the opposite is true. The Russian-Ukrainian war, which began as a civil war, will essentially turn into a world war. Ukraine is not even the first echelon, Ukraine is an advanced detachment, but the first echelon is deployed along the former borders of the USSR.
    1. Going
      Going 20 December 2017 13: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: cunning
      . The war is Russian-Ukrainian.


      Where do you see this war?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 December 2017 14: 10 New
        +3
        Interesting, and who for type dill harnessed? Especially if Russia did not come again!
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 20 December 2017 13: 28 New
    +3
    Old and poorly repaired weapons !!! This is a disaster for everyone!
    Dill there is understandable, they themselves will suffer from their own dope, but for civilians the threat is the most acute!
    Guns falling in general anywhere, this is a crime!
  14. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 20 December 2017 15: 06 New
    +1
    So not everything is so bad with the industry in Ukraine, as they say here. 500 pieces restored - also need to be able to. This is bad only for LDNR - all the more, an incentive for the APU has appeared.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 20 December 2017 15: 30 New
      +3
      BAD WILL BE FOR EVERYONE!
      COATS OF ARMS, DO NOT DAMAGE THE HOLY!
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 20 December 2017 17: 10 New
        +3
        You did not understand anything. And do not offer anything without knowing the person.
        I am not a liberalist under a neutral flag.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 20 December 2017 19: 55 New
          +2
          Sorry, for me to hear that it would be bad ONLY for my brothers fighting against banderlog, would it mean to hang out a white flag or like a red rag in front of a bull ... to go wild, not for me, but I will not limit myself to evaluations and expressions! Moreover, the Coat of Arms from our Soviet past, it is necessary to respect that they would not chat !!!
    2. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 20 December 2017 17: 39 New
      +1
      the question is, how was it restored ... just tinted with a brush and changed the oil-grease, or by all the rules?
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 20 December 2017 18: 01 New
        +4
        As for painting and lubrication - hardly. Stubborn dill is preparing for something. As the author said - ammunition is immeasurable, but the equipment was not enough. Observing officers Ukraine and Russia were removed from the Donbass, as is usually done before the start of the war.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 20 December 2017 20: 29 New
          +6
          Repair, maintenance of barrel artillery, especially large calibers, is a technologically complicated process !!! Do dill do this? can they? Why do they have such losses in artillery and artillerymen ??? If the mothers of these dill men knew this, they would send their children to the moon, it’s safer!
          Even a poorly cleaned barrel is a threat to the calculation of the gun! and only about where the projectile will fly from this gun to guess, not to guess. There will be victims among everyone and anyone! It is a crime!!!
  15. l7yzo
    l7yzo 20 December 2017 15: 21 New
    +2
    When in Kiev they will understand that only the Army so far separates them from being completely pulled away by Poland, Romania and other interested persons. As soon as they drag on in the Donbass - to visit them immediately
  16. Horst78
    Horst78 20 December 2017 15: 36 New
    +2
    Bad news. Very bad.
  17. armourer
    armourer 20 December 2017 16: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Separ DNR
    Quote: d ^ Amir
    I see ... well
    and fight abortion

    What is it like????

    And this is when a shot does not occur due to a poor-quality pyro cartridge, and the calculation "fights" with the barrel of the mortar in order to "shake out" the mine.
    And from 120m, at all, Santa Barbara ...

    Yeah watched the video as they sneeze from the trunk and fall 20 meters from the gun. You look and the hair moves on the head, and the people who shoot turn gray then
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 20 December 2017 19: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: armourer
      Yeah watched the video as they sneeze from the trunk and fall 20 meters from the gun. You look and the hair moves on the head, and the people who shoot turn gray then

      And this happens yes Extra gunpowder ...
  18. race
    race 20 December 2017 20: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    In Belarus.

    https://topwar.ru/130713-kto-zapravlyaet-tanki-i-
    btry-vsu.html - read carefully.
  19. S.V.YU
    S.V.YU 20 December 2017 20: 50 New
    +2
    This Minsk-2 was exactly what the Ukrainian Nazis needed to build up their power! If they climb, then without the help of Russia, Donbass will not survive!
  20. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 21 December 2017 00: 25 New
    0
    The horses can only pull the Soviet legacy. They themselves can not do anything new.
  21. LeonidL
    LeonidL 21 December 2017 05: 19 New
    +2
    Here are the results of the Minsk conspiracy - the Armed Forces of Ukraine gained time and now the war can be very bloody for the LPR-DPR. Sladkov, by the way, said that the militia would last three days !!! Three days, and then the bloody bacchanalia of the Nazis.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 21 December 2017 10: 48 New
      +3
      Three are not three, who can EXACTLY tell what a RUSSIAN soldier is capable of defending HIS HOUSE !!!
      Even if you look into the history of past years, the analogies are different, but one thing is for sure, simple mathematical calculations for the advantage of the enemy of our soldiers do not always work !!!
      God forbid, of course, but this can only be found out if it happens.
  22. myobius59
    myobius59 21 December 2017 22: 26 New
    +2
    The day before yesterday I met a friend. I haven’t seen him for a long time, it turns out that he was at war in the DPR from the age of 15. He came to rest a month ago, but probably he won’t go away anymore. As he said, every month there is worse and worse. Who is from Russia, almost everyone was squeezed out. There are almost no ideological left. Especially after they killed Motorola and other commanders, the situation became completely worthless.
    The medal showed "For the Defense of Horlivka." Military ID DNR sky. Everything seems to be like people, but the Russian peasants are already almost directly advised to roll up.
    1. myobius59
      myobius59 21 December 2017 22: 44 New
      0
      They have a lot of money with money. He had 19700 on a sergeant’s position, and ordinary soldiers had about 15000.
      And a lot of their money goes for uniforms and stuff. Even, he said, they bought ammunition.
      That something like this.