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Gas victory of Russia

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Yamal Peninsula. December 8 2017 of the year. On this day, a significant event took place here - the ceremonial loading of liquefied gas from a new gas plant built by Novatek with the participation of Total, CNPC and the Silk Road Fund. The right to “press the button” was granted to President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin. Thus, the first phase of the famous project "Yamal LNG" can actually be considered neglected.


The idea of ​​creating in the Yamal Peninsula, on the basis of the South Tambeyskoye gas and condensate field, an enterprise for the extraction, liquefaction and supply of natural gas appeared long ago. In April, 2005 of the year, more than twelve years ago, the company OAO Yamal LNG was established, which was entrusted with the duties of the project.

As you know, the “first violin” in the development of the project is currently played by the Novatek company, owned by Leonid Michelson. According to the Forbes list, in 2016-2017. Mikhelson was the richest Russian entrepreneur with a personal income of 18,4 billion dollars. The company headed by him ranks second in terms of natural gas production in the Russian Federation. Back in 2009, Novatek acquired from Gunvor Group Gennady Timchenko 51% of Yamal LNG, which owned the license to develop the South Tambeyskoye field.

Gas victory of Russia


The South-Tambeyskoye gas field is considered one of the largest in the Russian Federation. It is located in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous District of the Tyumen Region, and natural gas reserves in the field are not less than 1,3 trillion cubic meters. m., from 40 to 60 million tons of gas condensate reserves. The cost of Yamal LNG is approximately 27 billion dollars, of which about 25% falls on the development of the South Tambeyskoye field itself. Another about 60% of this amount is the cost of building a plant for the production of liquefied natural gas. In the Republic of Korea, at the shipyard DSME, 15 was ordered by tanker gas carriers of the Arc7 class, the key advantage of which is the ability to walk along the sea route in the Arctic. The first batch of liquefied natural gas was shipped to the tanker Christophe de Margerie.

By 2017, 50,1% of the Yamal LNG stake belonged to Novatek, 20% to Total, 20% to China National Petroleum Corporation CNPC and 9,9% to Silk Road Fund. From the very beginning, China was extremely interested in supplying Russian liquefied natural gas from the Yamal Peninsula, in connection with which Chinese companies decided to invest substantial funds in the development of the project.

Serious advances in the construction of Yamal LNG followed in 2013. First, in June 2013, Novatek entered into a cooperation agreement with the China National Petroleum Corporation. In accordance with this agreement, a long-term contract was to be signed with China to supply Beijing with at least 3 million tons of liquefied natural gas per year. Then, in September, 2013, Novatek and CNPC signed an agreement to sell CNPC 20% Yamal LNG. So the Chinese company became a shareholder - the owner of one-fifth of the shares of Yamal LNG. In December, 2015. 9,9% of Yamal LNG shares acquired the Chinese Silk Road Foundation. It was decided to launch Yamal LNG in three lines - in 2017, 2018 and 2019, respectively.

The commissioning of all three phases of the enterprise, according to the plan, will lead to the fact that Yamal will produce one and a half times more liquefied natural gas than Gazprom’s enterprise on Sakhalin. If Sakhalin produces 10,9 million tons of LNG per year, then in Yamal it is planned to increase production to 16,5 million tons. Thus, by 2020, the Russian Federation will be able to bring 27 million tons of liquefied gas to the world market and thereby circumvent Malaysia, which is considered the third after Qatar and Australia producer of liquefied natural gas (in 2016, Malaysia exported 25,7 million tons of liquefied natural gas). gas). Naturally, the achievement of such goals is worth the resources that will be spent on it.

The main role in the launch of Yamal LNG was played not so much by large investments as by a strong protectionist policy on the part of the Russian state. A number of protectionist measures were taken to maximize the financial burden on project executors. Consider them in more detail. First, it is tax benefits. The state for 12 years freed the base South Tambeyskoye field from mineral extraction tax on gas - provided that the total volume of production does not exceed 250 billion cubic meters. m. Also on 12 years was granted exemption from property tax. Income tax for the company was not 18%, but 13,5%. In addition, until the completion of all the construction of the enterprise, its shareholders were exempted from VAT on the purchase of equipment that does not have Russian analogues. After completion of the construction of the plant, shareholders will not pay duty on the export of liquefied natural gas.

Secondly, the state decided to send direct financial assistance to the project. In 2015, it was decided to purchase Yamal LNG bonds in the amount of 150 billion rubles. Funds for the purchase of bonds were allocated from the National Wealth Fund. The state also financed three quarters of the cost of construction of the cargo port of Sabetta, through which the liquefied gas will be exported. The construction of the port cost 96 billion rubles, of which the state paid 71 billion rubles.

This support from the state is not surprising. As lawyer Ilya Reiser stresses, the development of gas fields in the Arctic is of strategic importance for modern Russia. The country needs to increase its presence in the global market of liquefied natural gas, so it is better today to spend part of the taxpayers' money, but in the future the country will be able to extract serious dividends from its investments. Tax breaks and direct financial assistance, according to Reiser, reduced the burden on Novatek and allowed to complete the first line of the facility under construction in due time.

However, it is worth noting here that the powerful state support for Yamal LNG was also caused by the sanctions regime imposed against many Russian companies as early as 2014. The fact is that the company Novatek, which owns more than 50% of the project shares, also fell under the sanctions. The policy of sanctions influenced the attraction of project financing, after which the shareholders were forced to raise funds from the Chinese banks China Exim Bank and China Development Bank for the construction of Yamal LNG, which in 2016 provided loans for the development of the project in the total amount of 12 billion.

Construction of the gas plant was carried out in difficult natural and weather conditions. Recall that the company is being built in 600 km north of the Arctic Circle. In winter, the polar night comes here for two months, and the air temperature can easily fall to -50 degrees. Meanwhile, the plant is not a residential house, and for its construction it was necessary to deliver more than 5 million tons of building materials. But not so much the natural conditions, as the foreign policy situation complicated the process of building and launching an enterprise. When the United States imposed sanctions against Russia in 2014, the project was at its most initial stage. Novatek hoped that it would be able to attract substantial loan funds from Western banks for the financial support of the project. But sanctions put an end to this hope.



Moreover, since the Deputy Chairman of the Board of Novatek, Mark Jetway, is an American citizen, the United States also forbade him to work on the project. Under these conditions, the project organizers hoped only that third-country banks would be able to provide them with a loan. But few of the countries of the world would venture to go against the will of the United States, which imposed sanctions against Russia. Therefore, the likelihood of a gradual shift in the deadlines for putting the facility at a later time, when problems in the political relations between Russia and the United States could be resolved, was not excluded.

Even Jacques de Boisson, who heads the representative office of the French company Total SA, which owns 20% of Yamal LNG shares, did not fully believe that the organizers would cope with the construction of the enterprise against the background of the introduction of economic sanctions and political problems. Christophe de Margerie, President of Total, who was tragically killed in a plane crash at Vnukovo Airport, stressed back in August 2014 that shareholders simply must, must complete work on a project of such importance.

As we noted above, Novatek helped out, in the first place, the protectionist policy of the Russian authorities, and secondly, the agreement with Chinese banks. China is one of the few countries in the world capable of pursuing a fully independent economic policy, without looking at what Uncle Sam will say and what steps he can take. Therefore, the Chinese banks, ultimately, agreed to borrow money, and on mutually beneficial terms. The Russian company received funds, the Chinese - shares in the project and commitments to supply gas to the Middle Kingdom.

It is also worth emphasizing that the fall in the ruble exchange rate that followed the imposition of sanctions against Russia had an unexpected effect. Due to currency inflation, the company managed to significantly reduce the cost of building the project, as Chinese banks provided loans in dollars. A miracle happened - not only by Russian, but also by world standards. The company managed to build a plant for the production of liquefied natural gas, meeting the deadlines set earlier. It is safe to say that neither Russia nor the world as a whole have seen such efficiency in the construction and launch of such enterprises.

Vladimir Putin at the ceremonial shipment of the first batch of gas stressed that after the completion of the third phase of Yamal LNG, construction of the fourth phase will be started. Moreover, this construction will be carried out entirely on Russian technology. If this is true, the implementation of such ambitious plans will allow not only to profit from the export of natural resources, but also to “revitalize” the domestic high-tech and high-tech industry. Yamal LNG is not only money from the export of liquefied natural gas, but also jobs (and highly paid ones) for Russian specialists of various professions and qualifications, which means an improvement in the welfare of the population.



The construction of Yamal LNG and the port of Sabetta and the success of the project as a whole, inspired Novatek with new, no less ambitious plans. Thus, the Deputy Minister of Transport of the Russian Federation, Viktor Olersky, told the press that Novatek turned to the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation with a proposal to expand the port of Sabetta. A new port is supposed to be built at some distance from Sabetta, on the other side of the Gulf of Ob. At the same time, formally, from the legal point of view and according to the documents, this will be one port of Sabetta, simply consisting of two parts. In 2023, Novatek plans to launch Arctic LNG-2, another liquefied natural gas plant, only on the basis of the Gydanskoye gas field, which is located in 320 km northeast of Novy Port and in 108 km southwest of the village Gyda Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous District of the Tyumen region.

It is noteworthy that Saudi Arabia is showing interest in the Arctic LNG-2 project. Saudi Aramco Chairman of the Board, Khalid Al-Falih, attended the ceremonial shipment of gas in Sabetta as a guest of honor. Obviously, the unprecedented success of Novatek was very interested in foreign companies operating in the fuel and energy industry.

The first batch of liquefied natural gas, which is interesting, went to the UK - a country that supported the regime of sanctions against the Russian Federation and is throughout modern stories one of the main opponents of Moscow. The UK is now much colder than usual in these months, the weather. In addition to this, unplanned disruptions occurred in the operation of its own gas fields in the North Sea. And here for London, at the right time, a chic Christmas present - gas from the Yamal fields. Moscow seems to emphasize London - look, we can perfectly live with your sanctions, but can you cope without our gas?
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  1. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 20 December 2017 15: 17 New
    39
    The ending of becoming left an ugly feeling. Those. not deprived of the opportunity to connect to gas networks, a resident of the Russian village was taken gas, but to the aggressor country. And we use it as a reason for pride! Vile.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 20 December 2017 15: 47 New
      32
      Quote: Vasya Vassin
      Those. not deprived of the opportunity to connect to the gas networks, a resident of the Russian village was transported gas, but to the aggressor country

      And I thought, How could such positive news be spit on? (that there are such, there was no doubt) It turns out that it is very simple.
      1. Krabik
        Krabik 20 December 2017 15: 55 New
        29
        Protectionism in the economy is the protection of the domestic market.
        In our case, the state spent the people's money on a project to supply gas to our enemy in England and drain gas for a penny to China.

        As a result, we have an enterprise that is focused on delivering fuel to our opponents or competitors, which does not pay taxes and devours the country's budget.

        And of course, the state will demand to protect the oligarchy’s business during the war, and for free!

        What is good news for you ?!
        1. Valery Saitov
          Valery Saitov 21 December 2017 10: 19 New
          +5
          The total amount of overdue debts of all categories of Russian consumers as of November 1, 2013 reached 100,4 billion rubles, which is 21% more than at the beginning of the year (83 billion rubles).
          The total amount of overdue debts of consumers of the Arkhangelsk, Astrakhan, Vladimir, Volgograd, Moscow, Penza, Smolensk, Tver, Ulyanovsk and Yaroslavl regions, the Republic of Ingushetia as of November 1, 2013 reached almost 29 billion rubles, which is 45% more than at the beginning of the year (about 20 billion rubles).
          But how much debt today ... I think you will find it on the Internet.
          That's why they are trying to sell over the hill. except dill, all consumers pay regularly except for Russians.
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 21 December 2017 18: 28 New
            +5
            Your arguments with relatives of Kudrinsky's proposals to invest national money in the US economy we still plunder.

            If this were the case in the USA itself, their farmers would have long been bent without subsidies, and the vaunted oil shale production never began.

            And everyone’s beloved Elon Musk wouldn’t fly into space and would not build his chic cars.

            Fuel in the modern world is EVERYTHING, without it, you can neither harvest a crop nor heat a city; you cannot even make pipes for pumping national wealth over a hill.

            And transportation generally affects all areas of society.

            Selling hydrocarbons abroad heals the industry of our competitors and dries ours.

            And the dollars that we are paid for raw materials are printed in the US Federal Reserve.
            As the Indians bought gold in exchange for mirrors and beads.

            Something like this ;)
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 21 December 2017 22: 35 New
              +4
              Quote: Krabik
              Selling hydrocarbons abroad heals the industry of our competitors and dries ours.

              Obviously because of this, the United States has a great desire to oust Russia from the European energy market, in order to "friendly" prevent us from drying out to death, and instead drive its American liquefied gas into the EU and dry it to death on its own. It’s not funny for yourself?
              1. Krabik
                Krabik 21 December 2017 23: 10 New
                +2
                I'm not funny reading you.

                The USA is the most powerful economic, political and military power.

                She can do such tricks on which few people have enough brains.

                For example, sell coal to Ukraine by exporting it from the port of Novorossiysk or from Donbass.

                According to the same scheme, they will also trade oil with European countries.

                And most importantly, gasoline in the US is cheap!
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 21 December 2017 23: 34 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Krabik
                  The USA is the most powerful economic, political and military power.

                  You understand the "crab", all the welfare of the United States rests on the dollar. This is the same as the life of Kashchei, which depends on only one needle, which, being broken by Vanka Tsarevich, will inevitably lead Kashchei to death. In vain they (the USA) decided to make Russia an enemy. A figure not in their teeth.
                  1. Krabik
                    Krabik 21 December 2017 23: 40 New
                    +2
                    The United States plundered the Russian Empire and exported all the gold to the Fed.

                    Still boiled in World War II staged England to get rid of competitors.

                    They destroyed the USSR and plundered it.

                    You see Nyrobsky, we are food for them.
                    They grow us and slaughter us every 100 years like cattle ...
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 22 December 2017 22: 36 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Krabik
                      The United States plundered the Russian empire and exported all the gold to itself in the Fed. They also boiled up staged England in World War II to get rid of competitors.
                      They destroyed the USSR and plundered it.You understand Nyrobskywe are food for them. They grow us and slaughter us every 100 years like cattle ...
                      Understand. Only now it doesn’t work out for them every 100 years. In just 100 years, they managed to drag us into their "events" 1917, 1941, 1991 .... All in one century. As they say, God loves the Trinity, and then how it will endure ... Only you understand the “Krabik” situation is now a little different. The United States is really on the verge of a colossal financial crisis that will overwhelm the crisis in the United States in the late 20s and mid 30s, and in such a way that no one will see anyone in the world, including us. In the First and Second, including their “successful” activities against the USSR, they (USA) were quite stable. In addition, in the 1st and 2nd, they had quite independent and, again, financially stable allies with their own armed forces. During the years of “patronage,” the United States reduced its “allies” to a state of amorphous formation incapable of making independent decisions in military strategy and defense. Any failure will lead them to premature surrender (just in case). World War II showed that the countries of Europe defended their independence from a week to three months, and after that they accepted the will of Germany. The presence of the American contingent in Europe within the range of 50-70 thousand cannot guarantee any security, but it can guarantee the inevitable impact on the European "suffered" by armed methods from the Russian Federation. The issues of the transfer of additional forces from the United States to European theater of operations in terms of transport logistics from the United States, and the available methods of their destruction and destruction by Russia, which has a full range of satellite surveillance and weapons, do not leave the United States a great chance to quickly build up its forces sufficient to develop an offensive to Moscow. All that remains is defense. The mattresses really were squandered halfway around the world so that by and large they couldn’t demonstrate any strategy anywhere except provocations. They cannot stop, they cannot offer the world a model uniting other countries around the USA either, for everyone saw their essence, which causes nothing but disgust. The Syrian slap in the mouth, weighed down by mattresses by the Russian armed forces, rolls around the planet with a sonorous echo and makes it clear that the hegemon is decrepit and will soon ask for confession.
        2. Severe
          Severe 21 December 2017 15: 17 New
          +3
          I don’t see any positive in this news for the people and the state! The oligarchs turned on the green light at our expense and we should also rejoice that they will pump the people's good without taxes and duties! Bravo!
        3. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 21 December 2017 23: 52 New
          +9
          Quote: Krabik
          the state has spent national money

          So. We write: the state is IT.
          Quote: Krabik
          As a result, we have an enterprise ... not paying taxes and devouring the country's budget.

          Yeah ... and the enterprise is also SHE ...
          And the Russian language is clearly not your native language, Krabik wink
          Quote: Krabik
          And of course, the state will demand to protect the oligarchy’s business during the war, and for free!

          It’s time to change the training manual, urgently ... it’s become boring already negative
          Quote: Krabik
          What is good news for you ?!

          In squeezing a competitor from the market. Leaving the market is easy. Logging in again is almost impossible.
          Incidentally, the trawling Crabegs know this ... optional laughing
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 22 December 2017 00: 08 New
            +3
            Most of the dollars from the sale of raw materials flow back to the Fed in different ways, enriching only the oligarchy.

            Nobody hides it much.
            For the remaining money we buy chewing gum and jeans.

            Of course, there will be many people at the feeders who will tear their shirt and talk about the losses of the commodity markets.
            Especially if they work in the same field and receive normal money.

            After all, your own shirt is closer, and you don't give a damn about the others ?!
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 00: 22 New
              +8
              Quote: Krabik
              Most of the dollars from the sale of raw materials flow back to the Fed in different ways, enriching only the oligarchy.

              Come on, come on ... more about the "paths" by which "most of it flows into the Fed" ...
              By the way, what percentage of the sale of oil and gas in the revenue of the budget of the Russian Federation, recall, I ... forgot wink
              Quote: Krabik
              For the remaining money we buy chewing gum and jeans

              Have you been sleeping since the 80s and just woke up? Do not lie to yourself - you are not so old laughing
              Quote: Krabik
              talk about the loss of commodity markets

              IMHO it is useful to remind about this all-different Crabegs, who believe that the budget is growing on branches yes
              Quote: Krabik
              Especially if they work in the same field and receive normal money

              You can, and not working "in this area" get it’s okay to earn money normally. I, as an example, do not complain. The team is friendly, all pros, the work is interesting, money ... enough.
              What else is needed to adequately meet old age? (with)
              Quote: Krabik
              After all, your own shirt is closer, and you don't give a damn about the others ?!

              Own - definitely closer. I don't care ... how to say ... very selective. Here I’m for sure ... yes
              So ... Crabeg.
              1. Krabik
                Krabik 22 December 2017 00: 49 New
                +2
                For example, buying bonds or withdrawing money to offshore companies that are all English or the United States.

                This is so offhand, the British came up with a great many ways of sucking juice from the colonies.

                The budget is partially formed from the proceeds from the sale of raw materials - this is logical.

                And the more% of the budget from the receipt of raw materials, the lower from other sectors - this is also logical.

                So it turns out, why fill the budget of the Russian Federation with the sale of goods with high added value, when you can simply build a terminal for the shipment of raw materials from imported equipment.

                And here is a similar example for you, but on the contrary.
                German engineers have been developing a magnetic cushion train for almost 100 years!
                And now, finally, they have finalized their technology to working condition and are selling it.
                Already, China is building a magnetic cushion speed line between cities.

                And we sell round timber, gas, crude oil and wheat, almost like under the king ...
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 01: 11 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Krabik
                  Most dollars from the sale of raw materials flow back to the Fed in different ways

                  Quote: Krabik
                  For example, buying bonds or withdrawing money to offshore companies that are all English or US

                  GYYY laughing laughing laughing
                  Crabeg, your ignorance is only comparable ... it is practically incomparable with anything ...
                  When buying "bonds", the money remains in the country that bought these bonds. Because these bonds are the same money, only a small percentage is paid on them. The USA pays it, yes. Reception pays neatly yes
                  Offshores are by no means all "American or angelic". In addition, the money in offshore companies also have nothing to do with the Fed.
                  So where are the "ways" by which "most of the money flows back to the Fed"? wink
                  Quote: Krabik
                  So it turns out, why fill the budget of the Russian Federation with the sale of goods with high added value, when you can simply build a terminal for the shipment of raw materials from imported equipment

                  Full massarax in your training manual head.
                  To export "high value-added products," you must:
                  a) be able to produce it, competitively, and
                  b) break into the market (and this market is densely filled, it will take a long time and costly to push)
                  And for this all, oddly enough, you need to regularly replenish the budget. And to eat what happened, and so that was, what high-tech industries to develop. Yes, due to oil and gas mainly and for now, "for lack of a stamp."
                  Okay ciao, it's time to sleep laughing
                  1. Krabik
                    Krabik 22 December 2017 02: 14 New
                    +2
                    Ten years ago, crude oil was priced at $ 120 per barrel.

                    But for some reason, we did not develop high-capacity production, but only began to grow weak.

                    But the state, instead of developing the ship industry, ordered the Mistrals from France.

                    Gas carriers have now been ordered from South Korea and will most likely pay for them with gas.

                    That is, they will receive jobs, money in the budget of their country and receive gas from us.

                    We will not get anything except a handful of people working in the oil and gas industry.

                    By the way, for your reference.
                    Exactly the same conversation I had with a Yukos employee when the persecution of Khodorkovsky started and he also did not understand why I was dissatisfied with Khodorkovsky and Yukos.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 22 December 2017 07: 19 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Krabik
                      Exactly the same conversation I had with a Yukos employee when the persecution of Khodorkovsky started and he also did not understand why I was dissatisfied with Khodorkovsky and Yukos

                      Tolsto, Crabeg laughing
      2. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 20 December 2017 16: 29 New
        12
        A plant was operating in Stavropol producing special high-pressure hoses according to Soviet nuclear design, adapted for gas technology. Where it is unprofitable to conduct high-pressure steel pipes to small settlements, it is possible to lay such hoses from babin 500 meters each, in my opinion. A special machine laid them to the depths, unwound the woman and immediately buried them. Cheap and cheerful. They withstood pressure of about 20 kg, sufficient for gasification of a small village.
        The plant was breathing in the dark without ordering, then talking to the chief engineer, asking why such necessary products are not in demand? He answered in the spirit of the fact that they are buying a similar price in Italy, their cheap is not needed. Now heard this production
        already closed.
        1. marline
          marline 20 December 2017 16: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Vasya Vassin
          They withstood pressure of about 20 kg, sufficient for gasification of a small village.

          Pressure in kg not measured.
          Why are polyethylene pipes bad? For the gas industry, they are now produced by Russian enterprises and they are in demand.
          1. Vasya Vassin
            Vasya Vassin 20 December 2017 16: 41 New
            14
            Pressure is measured in kilogram-force per square centimeter. These pipes are polyethylene, reinforced. The developed technology was used in nuclear energy. The reality of our "competitive market economy" turned out to be that which is cheap and its own. So are not used to buying. We can’t make boilers, radiators, water heaters and other plumbing from our aluminum and copper ourselves, we need to take the raw materials abroad, so that we can start them from there. Outlets and those from Turkey are being taken!
            1. marline
              marline 20 December 2017 16: 52 New
              +6
              Quote: Vasya Vassin
              Pressure is measured in kilogram-force per square centimeter.

              Now it’s right.
              Quote: Vasya Vassin
              These pipes are polyethylene, reinforced ...

              Reinforced pipes - this is certainly good - they really hold pressure well. Difficulties arise with their connection (reinforced pipes do not weld), with fittings again ...
              It is simpler and cheaper to use just polyethylene pipes - they are produced in Russia and our gas specialists are excellent at buying. And welding machines, by the way, are also produced in Russia - for example, Volzhanin. So what is the "zrada"? or do you just scream?)
              Quote: Vasya Vassin
              We can’t make boilers, radiators, water heaters and other plumbing from our aluminum and copper ourselves, we need to take the raw materials abroad, so that we can start them from there. Outlets and those from Turkey are being taken!

              Here is something I'm not sure that is 100% true. I am sure there is a domestic manufacturer. Yes, I’m sure there - I know: near my house a valve factory makes ball valves and is not going to close)
              1. KERMET
                KERMET 20 December 2017 22: 40 New
                +9
                Pressure in kilograms is a professional reduction - in production they often say that
                1. marline
                  marline 21 December 2017 08: 42 New
                  0
                  Quote: KERMET
                  Pressure in kilograms is a professional reduction - in production they often say that

                  Pressure is measured in Pa. The comment refers to the off-system unit of measurement - kg / cm ^ 2.
                  VO is not a specialized resource, so I do not consider the use of professional abbreviations to be appropriate.
              2. free_flier
                free_flier 21 December 2017 01: 42 New
                +4
                ..."
                Quote: merlin
                I am sure there is a domestic manufacturer.

                He put in the kitchen molded all-metal batteries of the Russian manufacturer ... No worse than import.
          2. Alber
            Alber 21 December 2017 06: 53 New
            +3
            Quote: merlin
            Pressure in kg not measured.

            Well of course you are a prohvessor!
            Measured even like! In kg s per cm squared. Vasya wrote abbreviated (abbr) conferring?
            1. marline
              marline 21 December 2017 08: 43 New
              0
              Quote: Alber
              Measured even like!

              Citizen, would you go to study physics in the seventh grade. ferstein?
        2. staviator
          staviator 21 December 2017 11: 46 New
          +1
          And what kind of plant is shy to ask?
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 21 December 2017 22: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: staviator
            And what kind of plant is shy to ask?

            And Vasya himself does not know. In Stavropol somewhere ... request The NPPs were not closed anywhere, they just added, but the plant was closed due to the fact that the nuclear scientists did not buy their own pipes, produced using their technology. In how recourse
          2. Vasya Vassin
            Vasya Vassin 22 December 2017 10: 14 New
            +2
            "GAZPROM TRANSGAZ STAVROPOL" METAL-PLASTIC AND POLYETHYLENE PRODUCTION SHOP, BRANCH OF A SOCIETY WITH LIMITED LIABILITY

            Address 356123, STAVROPOL Krai, IZOBILNENSKY area, St. Rozhdestvensky

            As I heard last year, I covered myself with a copper basin.
      3. Nikolay73
        Nikolay73 20 December 2017 16: 31 New
        24
        ... the news is good, no doubt, it’s just fatigue that everything good concerns us quite somehow indirectly, a memory came to my mind - the Island of the Pskov Region, about 5 years ago, the next stage of gasification, a gas pipeline was laid, we need a lowering and wiring to the small street of yards 15, the cost of work to the site, voiced by gas workers, 250-280 thousand rubles per yard, for obvious reasons, the street is not gasified and now ... (and forever and ever), therefore there is no ovation. .. and yes, you’re right when you say that you don’t need warm and soft, you just want to rejoice not only at the new metro stations in Moscow, but even if not often, at Kovda roads, parks in Tmutarakansk, etc.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 20 December 2017 21: 32 New
          +5
          Great comment
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 21 December 2017 11: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Nikolay73
          the street is not gasified to this day ... (both forever and ever)

          The gas will someday end.
          1. Nikolay73
            Nikolay73 21 December 2017 12: 10 New
            +3
            ... moreover, we all die and ...?
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 21 December 2017 13: 04 New
              +1
              But am I, this is not my great-grandfather with my great-grandson? I do not consider myself separately from them repeat
              1. Nikolay73
                Nikolay73 21 December 2017 16: 18 New
                0
                ... of course, but there is here and now ... something smelled of patience from our dialogue, although there is nothing wrong with that ... ... just if you think only about the future you can miss the present, and it just forms future ... or did I misunderstand you?
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 21 December 2017 17: 53 New
                  +1
                  if you forget about the past there will be nothing good, and no pathos, just an analogy
        3. Mih1974
          Mih1974 21 December 2017 17: 31 New
          +2
          Let’s already measure once and for all and separate “flies from cutlets” !! am Whoever was involved in Yamal-LNG in the country's leadership — even the president himself, who is involved in the production of low pressure gas pipes to end consumers — is the local branch of Gazprom (I suppose) or maybe even local “private” gas companies in general. So who is to blame for the non-gasification of the country or huge prices after that? Nominally, Putin is somewhere far away, but in fact often these are all "local delights." negative
          Here the garbage in my city by the urn is who is to blame - either those who throw it or the city administration did not provide timely cleaning, as well as "not motivated" cops (in several specific places), catching and subsequent "motivation" of pigs !! am
          I recall the very Putin who told how "in the same unit the entire composition was put under corruption articles, and after some time - again on each volume of materials. Is there anything to do with them, shoot something?" belay
          No, I do not whitewash the “upper authority”, but most claims are often broken - and how do you behave yourself? bully What, none of the critics ever "stapled" stole (or somehow didn’t use official resources, opportunities for personal purposes), or are you ALL criticizing how effective and correctly acting? Come on, you’re lying, you won’t fool yourself, for each one or another of the sins. Well, as Goblin often says - start with yourself, sweep the floor, wash the dishes, be polite to people and work at work GOOD, and not "strain less." good
          Actually, after that it’s almost plagiarism "let the one who without sin first throws a stone at me." repeat
      4. user
        user 20 December 2017 19: 47 New
        10
        And I thought, How could such positive news be spit on? (that there are such, there was no doubt) It turns out that it is very simple.


        It’s not news that they spat on him, but showed what else Marx described "There is no such crime that the capitalist would not commit (well, hereinafter referred to as Capital)....".

        By the way, only 51% of Gazprom’s shares belong to the state, it’s about living on patriotism in the Krasnodar Territory, for example, or close by, and if you live in the Urals it’s not news that they spat, but people living there.
        1. 97110
          97110 21 December 2017 12: 03 New
          +6
          Quote: user
          and the people living there.

          The paragraph above, you rightly referred to Marx. So, according to Marx, there is only one thing that people living in TAM can have an advantage over the Kuban Cossacks - their work will cost less to the employer. It is time to somehow realize that we have successfully built, in the shortest possible time, the most cannibalistic social and economic system in the country - CAPITALISM. And the successes of domestic capital cannot be separated from its successes in the exploitation of the domestic proletariat. The cheaper the labor force, the greater the profit. The greater the profit from the domestic bourgeoisie, the more money can be taken to confront other bourgeois who are trying to squeeze out everything that has been squeezed out by ours from our bourgeois. They will be cooler than the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, we will bury a demographic hole and solve the problem with cannon fodder. And the gasification of farms ... on pussies who needs it? In our region, the former head once said that the more he did for the people, the worse the election results. There is no gas - the people understand that the bosses must be loved selflessly. We spent gas, called the connection price ... And then what? People are in the gut, gas workers are asking why there is no% of connections. And they pushed the gas to the United Kingdom, from all sides it is beneficial. And money capital, and political, and the process of distribution of profits has begun - what could be more beautiful! A compelling request to the readers - everything that he wrote is the essence of SARKAZM !. This I am waiting for retirement for the January of the planning year ...
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 21 December 2017 13: 12 New
            +3
            in East Germany there is such a joke: Everything that we were told about communism turned out to be fiction, and the horrors of capitalism turned out to be true.
            Quote: 97110
            It is time to somehow realize that we have successfully built, in the shortest possible time, the most cannibalistic social and economic system in the country - CAPITALISM.

            however, I want to note, more than once already wrote that there is no CAPITALISM in our country. I explain that in addition to exploitation, CAPITALISM is also characterized by the accumulation and development of capital, and we have no conditions for the development of this. Capital includes education, means of production, etc. Although in our country there is a disproportionate amount of what Marx would attribute to luxury.
            1. 97110
              97110 21 December 2017 17: 08 New
              +2
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Although in our country there is a disproportionate amount of what Marx would attribute to luxury.

              This is from the transnationality of capital. All the attempts of the authorities to develop capitalism in terms of human capital rest against the absence of the capitalists' need for it. For the happiness of Russia, European capitalists have come upon its capitalists. We ran into lawlessness. Our capitalists, who are smarter, realized that they would undress to the bottom. It took a specific human capital for protection, and then ordinary - qualified, for development, high-paying. Their teeth creak when they have to pay. "This is MY money!" for any reason, and especially when he was stolen, one of my employers liked to be upset.
        2. Severe
          Severe 21 December 2017 15: 33 New
          +2
          And in the Urals, gas is not everywhere. I live in the Sverdlovsk region. 80 km from Yekaterinburg we stoke the stove. 3 cars of firewood for the winter, taking into account the bath. So we rejoice over our naglosaksovskom- gazku will be warmed up and rush to Russia in a new way.
      5. svp67
        svp67 20 December 2017 21: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Chertt
        How can such positive news be spit on?

        Yes let’s puff up ...
        "And in our apartment there is gas, but in yours?"
        And here we have the STADIUM ...
        (From the heat - from the heat, reconstructed for the 2018 World Cup, is being tested ....)
        1. Ural resident
          Ural resident 20 December 2017 22: 39 New
          +6
          Thank. Every day I look at him, since I live nearby.
          But in the village, near Eburg, they promised to carry on gas for another 15 years - and we are using wood for now. but I’m urban - and what is local
          1. free_flier
            free_flier 21 December 2017 01: 46 New
            +4
            Gas is evil in an apartment building ... It’s calm in a Moscow apartment - 24 floors without gas and oil ... who and what is.
            In the Lower - 5 floors with a little star family over my head ... one thing I think - I spend a lot on the road ... can it smell when I won't be there ???
      6. Alber
        Alber 21 December 2017 05: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: Chertt
        It turns out very simple.

        Really easy!
        They choke us, and we carry gas ...
      7. Uralean
        Uralean 21 December 2017 10: 43 New
        +5
        You are poorly versed in gas production in Russia, so sculpt such nonsense. I worked 18 years in the Tyumen North and I know what it is about ..
        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        The ending of becoming left an ugly feeling. Those. not deprived of the opportunity to connect to gas networks, a resident of the Russian village was taken gas, but to the aggressor country. And we use it as a reason for pride! Vile.

        Firstly, it’s not just about gas, but about GAS processed at the first plant in Yamal to Liquefied Gas, which is delivered to various parts of the world by gas tankers by sea .... That is originally it was supposed to supply this gnaz abroad, to earn foreign currency for the country. And if our enemy is ready to pay money for our goods, and to increase our wealth and strength at our own expense, we will gladly supply this gas to enemies, take money from it, and take it into dependence (even on gas supplies). Gas is delivered to the domestic consumer through numerous gas pipelines from domestic gas production, such as Tyumen, Bashkiria, Tatarstan, Orenburg, Eastern Siberia and other fields .. For this you do not need Seaports and Sea vessels ... You need to be more serious about INFORMATION, with knowledge of the matter and not populist slogans to throw out here))
        1. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 21 December 2017 10: 52 New
          +4
          Read more about "our product". So gas, after all, to whom does it belong? And where does the money from selling this gas come from? Explain these moments in more detail, without idle chatter, once so knowledgeable.
      8. ando_bor
        ando_bor 21 December 2017 11: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        And I thought, How could such positive news be spit on?

        Mercenary migrants work, do not doze off, they are the first to leave comments - a hybrid war, its information component.
        1. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 21 December 2017 15: 37 New
          +3
          What are you ?! Are you hired? Or maybe the hired ones who came running to protect the oligarchs? That immediately a whole flock of them, such defenders, came running in.
          1. ando_bor
            ando_bor 21 December 2017 16: 39 New
            0
            Quote: Nitochkin
            Or maybe the hired ones who came running to protect the oligarchs?

            Ukrainians jumped against real oligarchs, but who and why arranged these jumps, it seems, they still have not understood.
            “Do you understand who is calling you to ride?”
            - The same ones using the same technologies.
            1. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 21 December 2017 18: 29 New
              0
              What to equal to experimental Ukraine, let's look at China. In the 90s, both states started in the same conditions, and where is China now and where is Russia? What or who prevents Russia from becoming like an economic superpower like China? There is everything for this.
              And with jumps it is not necessary, not in the subject.
            2. Krabik
              Krabik 22 December 2017 18: 19 New
              +1
              In the 91st, they also jumped as they do in Ukraine now, pulled the good of the people in English offshore and still quietly export resources.

              In the 2000s, they decided to feed the people a little. "power" crackled at the seams and the feeder was covered with a copper basin.

              What is happening now is the usual colonial administration with powerful propaganda and brainwashing of the population, that we are fighting with someone there.

              But in fact, as the EU and the Americans exported raw materials, they export them for printed bills without giving anything in return.
    2. GAF
      GAF 20 December 2017 15: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Vasya Vassin
      And we use it as a reason for pride! Vile.

      Not everything is so simple. From the point of view of official foreign policy, it may not be very good. On the other hand, despite the sanctions, high-tech equipment is being delivered through some channels from England. Witness the supply of turnkey equipment for the production of important shit. Politics is for politicians, and money is a more powerful argument for specific cases.
      1. okean969
        okean969 20 December 2017 18: 27 New
        +2
        And I think. that they thanked the British for something. although they don’t need enemies, having such "friends"
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 20 December 2017 22: 45 New
          +4
          Weird people! Profitable deal, in front of potential buyers who need to be led away from competitors - is it bad?
          Did you produce something yourself, did marketing, fought for the client? Not on the scale of the village of Gadyukino, but at least at the level of a private LLC?
          Talking about lofty goals (thanked the British for something ...) from the couch ah how easy.
          Calculate the price of this gratitude, estimate the cost price ... Nothing personal, just business. Commodity-money relations with the expectation.
          1. free_flier
            free_flier 21 December 2017 01: 48 New
            +2
            gas in England in a private household is 4-5 times more expensive than ours. Always, when in autumn or winter I come to my daughter and son-in-law - I give them 200 pounds and say - in my room should not be lower than +20 ... and they save, like they are tempered.
        2. vka
          vka 21 December 2017 05: 36 New
          +2
          that you really, our robots are building the plant, servicing too, but it’s all the same a good salary for ordinary people, and you need to sell gas to those who have money, who can pay for it really - the enemy is the way, or it can just be again, we will give our “friends” for it, but they still want us to blame for it, we already passed.
          1. 97110
            97110 21 December 2017 12: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: vka
            and gas should be sold to those who have money, who can really pay for it

            Yes, those who sell, they themselves know. And we should remember that those who extract the product we produce buy our labor power at the lowest possible price. And our task is to raise this price. It is not the President who should, and not the second half-tandem all the more, solve this problem. It is more profitable for them when the staff still pays extra for the pleasure of hunching over the owner. The owner should know that for the indecently low salary the union will lower the jacket and the shirt shirt will be indecently painted.
      2. Krabik
        Krabik 21 December 2017 04: 12 New
        +8
        All purchased equipment from England is to the detriment of our scientists and engineers who have not received orders and work.

        For example, our much-praised Elbrus began to produce processors based on British architecture since its own Elbrus unnecessary.
        It is unnecessary because it is easier for management to sell gas and buy gas, than to steam with their industry.

        As a result, we are a country with a gas station without industry, jobs and a declining population. 30-40 million people will be enough for pumping hydrocarbons, the rest, as in Ukraine, will go to meat.

        Moreover, the media is so stupid propaganda that it is just right to recall the country of soviets that died in the wagon train 26 years ago.
        1. Uralean
          Uralean 21 December 2017 10: 56 New
          +2
          Do not say stupidity .. The country is a gas station .. Do not make sense in this industry .. Oil and gas production and processing is a high-tech industry of any economy in the world .. It requires thousands of high-tech tasks and the latest technologies in the world .. that requires colossal material, human, engineering costs .. From the construction of roads, airports, sea vessels, aviation, shift camps, cities, pipelines, station CSN, CND, and other, other things, other .. This is the engine of development of all mankind in the modern world .. Therefore, the extraction, refining, and use of oil and gas WORLDWIDE, in ALL MODERN advanced countries ...., and whoever owns oil and gas in the world, is influencing many world processes in the world. But those countries must be able to protect .. And it will turn out like in Iraq, Libya, Algeria, Syria, and other resource-rich countries .. They will be destroyed by greedy neighbors ..))
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 21 December 2017 19: 03 New
            0
            The extraction and processing of fuel in the modern world is very important, but this is not a high-tech industry - it is the bottom, that is, the basis on which other industries rely.

            We will call it one of the foundation bricks.

            Here's a video from an advanced factory to experience the reality of being:


            Without these American refineries, all this production and processing will turn into an ancient oil distillation of the era of King Solomon.

            And to protect against greedy neighbors you need to make your own weapons, and not buy them for naphthollars from France and not put Taiwanese microcircuits on your satellites and then be surprised that they hang there all the time and fail ...
        2. 97110
          97110 21 December 2017 12: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: Krabik
          Moreover, the media is so stupid propaganda that it is just right to recall the country of soviets that died in the wagon train 26 years ago.

          A plus.
        3. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 21 December 2017 12: 55 New
          0
          Let's get to the studio.
          Is it from the CISC, MISC, VLIW or RISC architectures that the famous "British scientists" developed?
          Turning the verbal bags again?
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 21 December 2017 23: 34 New
            0
            AWP is a fairly common architecture.

            At least the majority of mobile phones in the world have processors based on it with the payment of interest to the British for its use.
            1. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 22 December 2017 11: 20 New
              0
              And what is Elbrus here sideways? Is this also a mobile phone? And, the MCST processors, since 2007, were not built on Advance RISC, but on VLIW, and with large "deviations", which allowed to call the architecture its own development with the name of its own Elbrus.
              In principle, of course, it can also be reckoned among the varieties of RISC architectures.
              Any building consists of a foundation, walls and roof.
              But, excuse me, I repeat - proof in the studio.
              If you undertake to claim that the architecture of Elbrus is British, then the ICST pays royalties.
              Can you prove the fact of payments?
              And by the way, do we owe Arabs anything for the Arabian figures?
              And, as it were, sanctions were not introduced, we were not left without mathematics ...
              1. Krabik
                Krabik 23 December 2017 00: 34 New
                0
                I read the news on the ICST site about the release of new controllers based on AWP.

                Now I searched on their website and did not find it, maybe I mixed it up either ...
                1. Vlad.by
                  Vlad.by 24 December 2017 19: 16 New
                  0
                  But authoritatively stated. Peremptorily.
    3. Mexovoy
      Mexovoy 20 December 2017 16: 12 New
      +8
      Well, pay for the infrastructure to connect these Russian villages. Or is it only nasty comments that can write?
    4. Victor N
      Victor N 20 December 2017 16: 48 New
      +3
      [quote = Vasya Vassin]
      Why did you decide that Russian consumers lack gas?
      On the contrary, consumer debts indicate that supplies exceed solvent demand.
      The category "enemy" is not a market one.
    5. turbris
      turbris 20 December 2017 19: 06 New
      +6
      Vasya Vassin - just such an ugly as you express feeling remains from your comments. And most importantly, he couldn’t come up with anything better - you see, he worries about the inhabitants of the Russian village, this is really disgusting of you.
      1. Alber
        Alber 21 December 2017 06: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: turbris
        Vasya Vassin - just such an ugly as you express feeling remains from your comments. And most importantly, he couldn’t come up with anything better - you see, he worries about the inhabitants of the Russian village, this is really disgusting of you.

        And the bogeys just slightly hate the Russian village, like the people, that from your nasty comments it becomes vile on all sides
        1. Vasya Vassin
          Vasya Vassin 21 December 2017 09: 35 New
          +1
          I am not a Jew, I am a little Tatar, and almost Russian.
          1. Alber
            Alber 25 December 2017 06: 05 New
            0
            Quote: Vasya Vassin
            I am not a Jew, I am a little Tatar, and almost Russian.

            I am not for you.
            I am to this tubris.
    6. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 20 December 2017 19: 09 New
      +7
      Quote: Vasya Vassin
      The ending of becoming left an ugly feeling. Those. not deprived of the opportunity to connect to gas networks, a resident of the Russian village was taken gas, but to the aggressor country.

      And not only this.
      this is not only money from the export of liquefied natural gas, but also jobs (and high-paying) for Russian specialists of various professions and qualifications, which means improving the welfare of the population.

      This suggests that in order to earn a penny one must go to the darkness with a cockroach, but at the same time they withdraw money from Russia by buying US securities so that the ruble does not grow stronger.
    7. bratchanin3
      bratchanin3 21 December 2017 10: 44 New
      +4
      This is Putin's-they are on the cheek, and you give them the other cheek. They kick your diplomats from the USA, and you will treat their diplomats for the holiday and wine. Everything is written in the Old Testament. This is really disgusting!
  2. Nitochkin
    Nitochkin 20 December 2017 15: 26 New
    16
    And what does Russia have to do with it? Lenya Michelson and his comrades are in the black, yes.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 20 December 2017 15: 33 New
      17
      Quote: Nitochkin
      And what does Russia have to do with it? Lenya Michelson and his comrades are in the black, yes.

      Gazprom is getting richer, but what does Russia have to do with a particularly ordinary Russian?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 20 December 2017 15: 56 New
        22
        Not Gazprom, but Novatek with the Chinese. Come on Russian gas - it’s not a pity! A lot of positive!
        The main thing is to teach the news! That’s what’s good when the Russian oligarch, together with the Chinese and the French, pump out people's bowels to sell abroad? Do they do this for the benefit of the Russian people?
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 20 December 2017 16: 26 New
          +3
          Definitely for the good. Without any doubts!
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 20 December 2017 16: 37 New
            12
            Quote: Victor N
            Definitely for the good. Without any doubts!

            And I have no doubt that the oligarchs do whatever they do, exclusively for the common good! And for what else? Also, the Chinese with the paddles, those who each rightfully owns 20% of it, also thought about the Russians first when they signed up for such a complex project.
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 20 December 2017 18: 25 New
              +5
              Have you forgotten that Michelson’s company employs many thousands of employees who receive salaries and pay to the budget and the Pension Fund?
              In addition to the plant, a port, a highway and a railway were built (the implementation of the Stalin project of the Northern latitudinal railway), which opens up great opportunities for the further development of the Northern Urals and Siberia. True, they have not yet managed to register it in textbooks on economic geography. The implementation of such projects is a reason for pride, it is cooler than the Crimean bridge, much cooler!
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 20 December 2017 19: 00 New
                13
                Quote: Victor N
                In addition to the plant, a port, a highway and a railway were built (the implementation of the Stalin project of the Northern latitudinal railway), which opens up great opportunities for the further development of the Northern Urals and Siberia. True, they have not yet managed to register it in textbooks on economic geography. The implementation of such projects is a reason for pride, it is cooler than the Crimean bridge, much cooler!

                Yes, only this pride does not belong to Russia, but to Mikhelson together with foreign companies. And the profits from the implementation of this project will go primarily to a private pocket, and to foreigners. In the past, the USSR completely coped with its mega construction projects. And all the equipment was produced in the USSR, and not abroad, like this hour.
                I understand everything, well, of course, a new plant, jobs, taxes ... But, this plant just doesn’t produce consumer goods, but it pumps out people's bowels into someone else’s pocket! Therefore, I am very critical of everything that is connected with the subsoil (irreplaceable), especially if foreign companies, like in some kind of African country, put their paws on these bowels.
                1. marline
                  marline 20 December 2017 19: 46 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Stas157
                  In the past, the USSR completely coped with its mega construction projects. And all the equipment was produced in the USSR, and not abroad, like this hour.

                  You're lying, citizen. Do you recall who produced turbines for DneproGES? Or why are Soviet frets so similar to Italian fiat?
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Therefore, I am very critical of everything that is connected with the subsoil (irreplaceable), especially if foreign companies paw on these subsoil, as in some kind of African country.

                  What a horror !!! Have foreign companies also pawed on infrastructure? Or do we need a port? Right in the spirit: "we don’t need the Turkish coast, we don’t need Sabetta," right?
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 21 December 2017 10: 51 New
                    +6
                    Quote: merlin
                    You're lying, citizen. Do you recall who produced turbines for DneproGES? Or why are Soviet frets so similar to Italian fiat?

                    All oil and gas technologies and equipment were Soviet, and not American like this hour. It meant. What does the Dnieper hydroelectric power station have to do with it (at the dawn of Soviet power!), What does it have to do with it? Why are you all falling into a heap! Remember also that in the USSR, jeans with chewing gum were imported!
                    Quote: merlin
                    Or do we need a port?

                    Mikhelson with foreigners first of all needs! First of all, he will serve them. Russian interests there are tenths.
                    1. marline
                      marline 21 December 2017 11: 25 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Stas157
                      All oil and gas technologies and equipment were Soviet, and not American like this hour. It meant.

                      What did you start to bustle about? In your post, nothing was said about oil and gas equipment.
                      But you have written about megastructures that the USSR itself dealt with.
                      Quote: Stas157
                      What does the Dnieper hydroelectric power station have to do with it (at the dawn of Soviet power!), What does it have to do with it?

                      I have given you examples.
                      Quote: Stas157
                      Russian interests there are tenths.

                      They would say easier - Sabetta is not needed. Or they would go further — the Arctic is not needed at all.
                2. 97110
                  97110 21 December 2017 12: 19 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Stas157
                  And the profit from the implementation of this project will go primarily in a private pocket,

                  And in the second and third ... Capitalism in the country. It is necessary to solve the problem of raising the price of YOUR workforce, and not to consider someone else's profit. Salary is COST!
              2. serg.
                serg. 75 20 December 2017 19: 00 New
                +9
                A year ago, I took part in the construction, neither the railway nor the car there even smelled, did I miss something ?!
              3. Nitochkin
                Nitochkin 20 December 2017 20: 13 New
                12
                I have heard about this "development" of the Urals and Siberia since I began to pump resources into private pockets. Please provide examples of what was "developed" in the Urals and Siberia. Moreover, it is “developed” in such a way that it contributes to the recovery of the Russian economy, and not the stuffing of the Leni Michelsons moshna.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 20 December 2017 23: 25 New
                  0
                  Take an interest in what was built there and what factories and factories opened.
                  1. Nitochkin
                    Nitochkin 21 December 2017 04: 19 New
                    +7
                    Yeah, then you say that the Urals and Siberia are developed. When asked to give examples, you say "look for yourself." Those. you have nothing to say.
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 21 December 2017 10: 00 New
                      +1
                      Factories and factories are being built there and the infrastructure is the same - if you're interested, you will find it yourself.
                      1. Nitochkin
                        Nitochkin 21 December 2017 10: 56 New
                        +3
                        Where is it, specifically? If one, two or even three sawmills are built, how is this connected with the phrase "development of the Urals and Siberia"?
              4. Alber
                Alber 21 December 2017 06: 07 New
                +3
                Quote: Victor N
                Have you forgotten that Michelson’s company employs many thousands of employees who receive salaries and pay to the budget and the Pension Fund?

                At Migelson COMPANY, the majority of employees are of "God-chosen" nationality. Ordinary Russians are trusted only with a shovel, sledgehammer, scrap ...
                All Jewish wishes are confirmed: the Jews are masters, slave owners, and the goys “two-legged cattle” are slaves and must plow the “God-chosen”
              5. kostyan77708
                kostyan77708 21 December 2017 12: 09 New
                +3
                There are no highways, as far as I know, there is a single-rail piece of iron - but in the future it is planned to build what you described ..... there is an international airport that works in full
              6. Alber
                Alber 25 December 2017 06: 12 New
                0
                Quote: Victor N
                Have you forgotten that Michelson’s company employs many thousands of employees who receive salaries and pay to the budget and the Pension Fund?


                Exactly! "employees" ...
                Moses promised every Jew about 2000 slaves from among the goyim.
            2. free_flier
              free_flier 21 December 2017 01: 51 New
              +2
              It was a matter of business - to the creditors about the money of the Chinese and French to chip themselves and become co-owners ...
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 20 December 2017 20: 50 New
          14
          Quote: Stas157
          Not Gazprom, but Novatek with the Chinese. Come on Russian gas - it’s not a pity! A lot of positive!

          It was especially impressive in the article that the construction of infrastructure, including the port, was paid from the budget of Russia, and Novatek Michelson received tax benefits and the right to operate
        3. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 20 December 2017 23: 01 New
          +7
          Your division!
          And you, Nexus! ??
          Ask the residents and workers of the port of Sabetta and the factory how they live. At the same time, count how much money was invested in the development of local infrastructure, the construction of roads, substations, airfields, ports, port facilities (and settlements around), who should serve this. And next to it, for sure, a couple of three military towns formed, for air defense, aviation, and coastal defense, and in the port a part is probably allocated for the Navy. And this is a defense of the interests of Russia (Russia, Karl!) And not the "aggressor countries" in the Arctic.
          And all this for a long long term and only as one of the bricks of our strengthening in the Arctic.
          Forever, you need to lower the gases in a puddle and moan, like everything is bad in Russia. There, someone earns ... for us.
          So go and earn 150-200 thousand rubles. per month. Ordinary worker, engineer, technologist.
          No, I want to lie on a crumpled sofa, scribble evil lines, but they should also pay me for it like in the port of Sabetta.
          Guardians, so you ...
          1. free_flier
            free_flier 21 December 2017 01: 54 New
            +4
            All true.
            I know one acquaintance - the husband of my former employee wound on a rotational basis there. When he found out that the other husband had a scarce specialty, which was then in demand at this factory, he asked me to talk with their family ... The answer was simple - it’s easier to dangle even for those 180 ty, it’s easier to cobble at home.
            1. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 21 December 2017 04: 36 New
              +2
              Oh, it began, about acquaintances, acquaintances of these acquaintances and their wives and husbands.
          2. Nitochkin
            Nitochkin 21 December 2017 04: 32 New
            +2
            How do you like this information
            https://ura.news/news/1052182792
            Everything is according to the law of conservation of energy - in one place it became thick, in others it was empty.
            Z.Y. And about going and earning 150-200 thousand / month - here you are a dreamer.
          3. Alber
            Alber 21 December 2017 06: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Vlad.by
            No, I want to lie on a crushed sofa, scribble evil lines, but I’m supposed to pay extra for that too

            Are you also a purebred "Belarus"?
            1. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 21 December 2017 12: 34 New
              +1
              Am I that? Russian! He ended his service in Minsk, an apartment, a wife, children, a school, everything ...
              One move is equal to three fires, besides, he believed that Minsk is the same Russia, only a side view.
              In principle, almost so, but not quite. Therefore, the main office in Minsk, and branches in the Russian Federation. Moreover, the branches in terms of revenue have long overtaken the "main office", which, like a suitcase without a handle, is hard to carry and it is a pity to abandon ...
        4. vka
          vka 21 December 2017 05: 39 New
          +1
          Well, pay for the construction of the plant - I’m afraid there will not be enough ports!
        5. Uralean
          Uralean 21 December 2017 11: 05 New
          +2
          Here are interesting people .. And here you are sitting here on the couch, could you build factories, platforms, ships, organize production and processing of your gas (as you put it) without money from NAVATEK, China? No, you couldn’t how. And the gas would lie for thousands of years under the thickness of the Arctic Ocean .. And is that your gas? No ! And Russia, with the help of the above-mentioned companies, was able to organize these industries, engage the work of its people, organize the construction and arrangement of infrastructure in the Arctic, receive taxes and fees for the country's budget (for the benefit of all citizens of the Russian Federation), and organize North. the sea route, building the world's most powerful icebreakers and tankers, and these are hundreds of thousands of plants serving them from metallurgical, to cable, electronic, navigation, etc. .... This is what Russia’s self-interest from this project .. Russia's power in the world increases with launch of these plants .. This is so far the second.)))
      2. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 20 December 2017 18: 39 New
        14
        Well, a simple Russian for that has the opportunity to read that the gas went to the UK. By the way, I lived on Sakhalin for 46 years, and only got acquainted with gas when I moved to Belarus. There is such a city of Korsakov, where the same plant has been smoked for more than ten years, but they plan to bring gas to the boiler houses only for 25 years. So I don’t share the joy of other exalted patriots ..
        1. turbris
          turbris 20 December 2017 19: 12 New
          +2
          sapporo1959 - here you’ve moved and live in peace in Belarus, be a patriot of this country, what do you care about Russia? If you are smart enough to compare such a strategic object with local affairs in Korsakov, then Russia has not lost anything from your move.
          1. sapporo1959
            sapporo1959 20 December 2017 21: 02 New
            10
            I don’t know if it’s strategic, but I wrote that there is simply no gas in the houses, even though the plant is of the same strategic standing for a long time. Or improving people's lives does not belong to these strategic plans ...
          2. Alber
            Alber 21 December 2017 06: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: turbris
            sapporo1959 - here you’ve moved and live in peace in Belarus, be a patriot of this country, what do you care about Russia?

            Why didn’t you interestingly move to your historical homeland in Israel?
            Would you live in peace in the telaviv, or in your beloved Haifa, what do you care about Russia?
            And yet, yes, with your valuable brains flowing somewhere, we certainly would not have lost anything from your move
            1. turbris
              turbris 21 December 2017 13: 06 New
              +1
              Alber - well, you're already too much! What do my comments look like from Israel? I live in my historical homeland and do not intend to move anywhere, but I know that my brains are valuable even without you. My father is from the Vologda region and Russian in all generations, so you did not guess with the origin.
            2. sapporo1959
              sapporo1959 25 December 2017 18: 30 New
              0
              I would love not to take them to Israel since Belarus. Is it true that I don’t understand from which side you put the Jews here? Although if it’s you who are being patriotic at the apartment at night, then in principle your love is understandable. that would not shit ...
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 20 December 2017 15: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: Nitochkin
      And what does Russia have to do with it?

      You really don’t know, or just pick the pluses like that
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 20 December 2017 16: 29 New
        14
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: Nitochkin
        And what does Russia have to do with it?

        You really don’t know, or just pick the pluses like that

        What does Russia have to do with it ?? What about tax breaks for Michelson? What about loans? Gas in the end! Isn't he Russian? According to the constitution, it’s popular. Only now, in fact, it turns out that people only see ads on TV that someone has - dreams come true! And nothing more.
        1. Prjanik
          Prjanik 20 December 2017 16: 58 New
          11
          Well, make a fortune, acquire the rights to gas production in the Arctic field, build a plant there, infrastructure and realize your gas dream, protectionist benefits to help you. What can not? But nonsense to write much.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 20 December 2017 17: 06 New
            16
            Quote: Prjanik
            Well, make a fortune, acquire the rights to gas production in the Arctic field, build a plant there, infrastructure and realize your gas dream, protectionist benefits to help you. What can not?

            I’m not Putin’s friend, so I don’t have such opportunities. There is a former cultivar, Putin’s trainer, Rotenberg, just shows the wonders of construction activities. He took all the fattest government contracts, a miracle is building a bridge to the Crimea! So, if you were at least someone in the past, but if something connects you with the Russian president now, then your possibilities are simply unlimited.
            1. Prjanik
              Prjanik 20 December 2017 17: 17 New
              11
              What’s the problem, not Putin’s friend — so make friends when you have enough brains to project stupid things on the Internet, there is no will and self-discipline, or laziness interferes, it remains to envy and blame others for their troubles.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 20 December 2017 17: 26 New
                14
                Quote: Prjanik
                What’s the problem, not Putin’s friend — so make friends when you have enough brains to project stupid things on the Internet, there is no will and self-discipline, or laziness interferes

                Yes, no problems! This hour I’ll gather my will into a fist ... and how I will make friends with Putin! And let me give loans and government contracts. Really! Why lazy then? Self-discipline must be dealt with! That's all, I have not forgotten anything from your list, recipe, how to become an oligarch and a friend of Putin?
                1. Prjanik
                  Prjanik 20 December 2017 17: 34 New
                  +8
                  Someone is looking for opportunities, someone is making excuses, your life is up to you to decide how to live. I have nothing more to add.
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 20 December 2017 17: 52 New
                    16
                    Quote: Prjanik
                    Someone is looking for opportunities, someone is making excuses, your life is up to you to decide how to live.

                    Something you started to write slogans ... You recently did not pass any success training, for example, "How to earn a million in a week!"? It’s exactly there that hamsters are “treated”. And then, when they cannot do it with a million, they say: “Well, that’s how they themselves are to blame.” They tried hard!
                    In our socially disadvantaged country, unfortunately, little depends on success, energy, professionalism! It most likely depends on connections, acquaintances, kinship, bribes .... etc.
                    1. Victor N
                      Victor N 20 December 2017 18: 29 New
                      +3
                      It depends on us!
                      Do not be offended, you have somewhat misjudged the significance of the event under discussion.
                    2. Vlad.by
                      Vlad.by 20 December 2017 23: 14 New
                      0
                      Uh, daragoi! Pastroish factory, Panimash, just go for a walk!
                      It’s not easy, Panimash, money is needed, credit, strength, will, Panimash.
                      Or do it, daraga, or ne stani, little boys in a bar, panimash.
                      A pastroish plant, immediately become respected celebrities, give a tooth, panimash? And Putin will fall in love with you and work out, drink tea and coffee with him, budesh shishlik, eat shyshlyk-shishlyk, catch the shuka in the wreck ...
                      Go work Panimash
                      1. Nitochkin
                        Nitochkin 21 December 2017 04: 43 New
                        +5
                        As the phrases "Pastroish Plant" and "go to work" are consistent. Do you suggest yourself, with your own hands, build a plant or something?
                        Someone did not build a single oligarch at the beginning of his business, everyone "sat down" on factories already built with Soviet money, "earned" money and only now they are building new ones.
                2. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 20 December 2017 18: 22 New
                  +8
                  let me give loans and government contracts.

                  Well, develop an idea, for it a business plan and to the bank. And if there is not enough thrust, then there is no need to whine.
                  1. Nitochkin
                    Nitochkin 20 December 2017 20: 20 New
                    +5
                    As people say: "Tryndet, do not coolie toss and turn." He sends to the bank. Here you are not in China, where I went to the bank, took a loan at a symbolic interest and bring your business plan to life. Do you often apply for loans to Russian banks? What percentages does Mr. Gref have for business development? And if from scratch?
                    1. Vlad.by
                      Vlad.by 20 December 2017 23: 31 New
                      +8
                      I have an employee in the branch, a good guy, leads the topic. It leads well, practically does not require intervention. But he constantly groans, and this is not enough, and even that is not enough, and he wouldn’t do it wrong ...
                      He suggested that he become deputy in the direction, with a specific budget allocated to him under the topic, with the right to manage it himself, choose suppliers, determine pricing policy, etc. But, with a clear plan for development and profit.
                      Moreover, we are discussing plans together, on the shore based on realities. I will not demand anything beyond.
                      Surprisingly, but za..al. Refused!
                      He says that it’s enough for me, but then I take on ALL responsibility, but what if it doesn’t work out, what if losses? Well, he says, fire me or lower my salary ...
                      From here legs grow - in theory, all Napoleons! They know how, whom, where and by what.
                      And as for the REAL business and TOTAL responsibility, so I'm sorry, they feed us well now
                      1. Yarhann
                        Yarhann 21 December 2017 01: 42 New
                        +4
                        perfectly said - right to the point. and there is . no one wants to take risks, but those who didn’t hang on whoever succeeded were envious of successful risky guys. But after all, those who did not succeed were also very many. But they at least tried, and did not remain further to envy and crap on the lucky and courageous.
                      2. Nitochkin
                        Nitochkin 21 December 2017 04: 47 New
                        +3
                        This is so from your bell tower. And you, your word, can be trusted?
                      3. Nikolay73
                        Nikolay73 21 December 2017 10: 04 New
                        +1
                        ... well, it’s not all Napoleons that if he copes well in his place - that’s already good and that he sensibly assesses himself and calculates prospects ... maybe he will eventually grow to the next step, and so he would fill up the entrusted direction and expose would the past place ... you need to appreciate such personnel, someone is good at tactics, someone at strategy. Reasonableness and prudence are not the same thing.
                    2. Okolotochny
                      Okolotochny 21 December 2017 17: 03 New
                      +6
                      So before you get a loan to YOU ​​at least a simple business plan to throw. Project costs, payback period. There credit is taken into account. Do not take the big one, but then do not howl.
          2. Alber
            Alber 21 December 2017 06: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: Prjanik
            Well, make a fortune, acquire the rights to gas production in the Arctic field, build a plant there, infrastructure and realize your gas dream, protectionist benefits to help you. What can not? But nonsense to write much.


            Typical Jewish hutspa. The impudent nonsense that you are very happy to write ...
            Better buy yourself a gingerbread, spread it with a mincemeat and realize your Jewish dream how you manage thousands of goyim on your plantation ...
            You are told about the millions of Russians in the hinterland that have no gas and are heated with firewood and coal like in the Stone Age, while fattening michelson with Abramovich enjoy their caviar on the yachts in the tropics with black caviar
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 20 December 2017 18: 20 New
          +8
          The most important thing is WORKPLACES and a pretty good salary for families in Russia to live on. Are you against it?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 20 December 2017 18: 42 New
            +6
            Quote: Okolotochny
            The most important thing is WORKPLACES

            In Gazprom? Are you a Gazprom employee or dream of becoming one?
            1. marline
              marline 20 December 2017 19: 49 New
              +3
              Nexus, and where does GAZPROM? Or is it you who heard thunder in the spirit ... in the sense - heard gas - thought Gazprom?
              You would read the article before scribbling comments)))
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 20 December 2017 19: 55 New
                +5
                Quote: merlin
                Nexus, and where does GAZPROM? Or are you in the spirit of hearing thunder ..

                Hmm ... a difficult case. Have you even thought of looking at what Yamal LNG OJSC is ...
                In November 2006, Bogachev sold LLC Tambeyneftegaz and OJSC Yamal LNG. Gazprombank-Invest bought 25% plus one share of OJSC Yamal LNG for $ 5 million. The remaining shares (75% minus one share in Yamal LNG and Tambeyneftegaz) were purchased by Alisher Usmanov’s structures for $ 350-360 million
                1. marline
                  marline 20 December 2017 20: 13 New
                  +2
                  You're lying, citizen Nexus ....
                  It's good that you know how to use Wikipedia, however, read the same Wikipedia a little higher:
                  Shareholder structure of Yamal LNG Open Joint Stock Company as of 01.01.2017: NOVATEK (50,1%), Total (20%), China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) (20%), Silk Road Fund (9,9%). [3]

                  Where is Gazprom?))) Or do you think that the fragment of the history of ownership change you fished out proves something? Do you seriously hold us all for the "work of Dostoevsky"?
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 20 December 2017 20: 21 New
                    +4
                    Quote: merlin
                    Where is Gazprom?)))

                    Show me, dear truth-seeker, the information where it is written in black in Russian that Gazprombank-Invest has sold its 25% stake.
                    1. marline
                      marline 20 December 2017 20: 30 New
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Show me, dear truth-seeker, the information where it is written in black in Russian that Gazprombank-Invest has sold its 25% stake.

                      Already 25%?
                      In the same Wikipedia, now below:
                      In September 2011, NOVATEK's share in the authorized capital of Yamal LNG JSC was increased to 100%

                      Gazprom owns a 9,9% stake in NOVATEK, which is very far from a controlling stake ....
                      As the saying goes: Congratulations to you, citizen, a lie!
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 20 December 2017 20: 33 New
                        +4
                        Quote: merlin
                        Gazprom owns a 9,9% stake in NOVATEK, which is very far from a controlling stake ....
                        As the saying goes: Congratulations to you, citizen, a lie!

                        That is, you are not able to confirm the sale of 25% of the shares ... you just refer to the fact that NOVATEK, as it were, has all 100% of the shares)) And where is the sale of these same 25%? Where did it go, dear? wassat
            2. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 20 December 2017 20: 16 New
              0
              As the song says: “I do not want to be a millionaire, I do not want to be ..., but I want to be a shareholder of Gazprom LLC))
            3. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 20 December 2017 22: 28 New
              +9
              To be malicious, count to begin with the number of workers who built the port and the factory. The level of their salary. And then the number of port and plant maintenance workers. The level of their salary. And to complete the picture of your cleverness, calculate the amount of taxes that will be paid from the earnings of the port and plant workers - I’ll tell you a secret - this is in the pension, social security, and income. They will go to the state. On payment to you as well. I wanted to work in Gazprom, it didn’t work out. But I don’t understand, are Martians working in Gazprom, or are Russian citizens? Or do you have a principle - I feel bad, so should others not be better?
              1. Yarhann
                Yarhann 21 December 2017 01: 50 New
                +4
                indeed, this is a typical scoop which itself in shit and others pulls there too. The races of half the country of losers and krivorukov work for 15p and those who can do something and can do it well, do not be lazy to raise an ass and go to the other end of the country and work hard there and get a normal salary for 15k. But no, it is necessary to work there, and not to attend work as the majority of highly qualified and experienced workers with a salary of 10-15 rubles do.
                And the fact that we have everywhere where it’s good to work hard and earn good money are Martians, and not citizens of the Russian Federation, so this is the conviction of these lazy people. And those crowds of expensive cars on the roads are all thieves, officials, etc. and so on - after all, this cannot be a person who honestly earned a car worth 3000-6000 rubles. For example, I know people who honestly earned someone who bought a square at such a price and who scored a good hut and bought a thieves wagon at such a price tag - each has its own priorities - but there are enough such people and they are not officials and not Martians, but ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation.
                1. Nitochkin
                  Nitochkin 21 December 2017 04: 51 New
                  +2
                  Are there enough places for everyone who wants to make money?
                  1. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 21 December 2017 17: 10 New
                    +6
                    So look, and do not sit on the priest evenly and do not whine in the internet.
                    1. Nitochkin
                      Nitochkin 21 December 2017 18: 06 New
                      +2
                      Do not tell me what to do, and I, in turn, will not tell you where to go.
                  2. Yarhann
                    Yarhann 23 December 2017 03: 22 New
                    +1
                    Well, judging by the salaries and demand for specialists - there are enough places. the problem is usually that no one knows anything - skills like driver manager and etc. shit in the 21st century are not skills and it costs nothing. Although of course the highest degree of these professions will be in demand and well paid.
            4. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 20 December 2017 22: 31 New
              10
              Yes, since they are so opposed to Gazprom, so move the idea to reduce it. And cut back on workers. Well then, for completeness, move the idea of ​​where to employ these workers with the same level of salary? And tryndet in the internet - do not work in the north.
              1. Nitochkin
                Nitochkin 21 December 2017 04: 57 New
                +2
                There’s just no need to start cancer for snags. It’s not about the fact that Gazprom itself is bad, but about the fact that private is presented as public. Lenya Mikhelson, as you and others like you, earned a fine fellow, and Russia should be proud of these. And what is meant by the word Russia? Her people or people like Lenya Michelson? If the people, then why should he be proud of Laziness Michelson and their achievements in the field of filling their pockets by pumping resources from the bowels of Russia?
                1. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 21 December 2017 17: 07 New
                  +6
                  I didn’t drink vodka with YOU and I hope I won’t. "Lenya Mikhelson" opens production, which pays taxes that will go to social programs including AND YOU. Before you write your nonsense, MATCH would be worth learning.
                  1. Nitochkin
                    Nitochkin 21 December 2017 18: 16 New
                    +2
                    Do you turn to some kind of anonymous person on the Internet ?! Are you serious?!
                    I strongly doubt that Leni Michelsons pay taxes in their native state in full. Although what am I talking about, what is the word homeland for them? Offshore their homeland. And in Russia they have gas stations.
      2. Nitochkin
        Nitochkin 20 December 2017 16: 50 New
        +1
        And what, the pros can be cashed?
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 20 December 2017 22: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Nitochkin
      And what does Russia have to do with it? Lenya Michelson and his comrades are in the black, yes.

      Leni come and go, but Russia remains. What is wrong with the fact that another plant has replenished the state treasury? Along the way, he also draws for himself the construction of port infrastructure, which will have a very favorable effect when the Northern Sea Route realistically and at full capacity works.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 20 December 2017 22: 33 New
        12
        Yes, everything is bad for them. They don’t care about the name of the owner. The position is this - since I have nothing from this, it means bad.
  3. lexx2038
    lexx2038 20 December 2017 15: 48 New
    +8
    Hooray! We won. Now gas for us will become as expensive as gasoline. You give green paper for the national wealth of Russia. You are there - do not cheapen.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 20 December 2017 22: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: lexx2038
      Now gas for us will become as expensive as gasoline.
      Do you live on Urkain? sad
      Quote: lexx2038
      Give green paper for the national wealth of Russia
      Paper tends to depreciate, at least in the national fund, at least in the stabilization fund, at least in the US Treasury papers, and the plant as it was, so it will remain. In other words, the national wealth from a paper state simply transformed into a really working enterprise of steel and concrete, which is not afraid of either denomination, inflation or castration.
      Quote: lexx2038
      You are there - do not cheapen.

      Well, definitely from Urkaina. fool Don’t worry about us. angry
      1. lexx2038
        lexx2038 22 December 2017 21: 08 New
        0
        Is that you, is it serious? It seems that you learned to print in Russian letters, but the mentality is not the same - not Russian however. (mowed oblique, oblique oblique wink )
        By the way, I was born, raised and hello, in the very center of Eastern Siberia.
  4. groks
    groks 20 December 2017 15: 51 New
    12
    And what do we have. We have a Michelson victory, i.e. private trader, TNK in a terrible manifestation - Total-Wengward-BlackRock. and China. China is represented by just a national company. Such a victory is normal. But what does Russia have to do with it?
    Further. Exemption from something there for 12 years, with production no more than 250 million. But sorry - 12x250 = 3000. Those. 3 trillion. And there are only 1,3. Another thing is that so much is not mined. Why are they so weirdly going to increase production by 20 times?
    In general - the next election campaign. Very poor agitation, weak.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 20 December 2017 16: 51 New
      +4
      It is said: 250. You will have to pay for a larger amount.
  5. Loess
    Loess 20 December 2017 15: 55 New
    +7
    And the news is good) A large plant, jobs, development of new territories and resources. Michelsons come and go, but the plant will remain. Does the UK buy gas? So she pays money for him, we give for a reason.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 20 December 2017 16: 09 New
      12
      Quote: Less
      Michelsons come and go, but the plant will remain. Does the UK buy gas? So she pays money for him, we give for a reason.

      Does gas also stay? Do you think it is endless? And the Chinese and the French will give us profits from that gas? Or maybe Mikhelson will give this money to Russia instead of taking it offshore?
      So Russia (future generations) will remain without gas and without money. And such as Loess, with delight, from all this, they will throw caps up!
      1. Loess
        Loess 20 December 2017 16: 19 New
        +5
        Somehow, you know, I don’t share your alarmist fears. And, if we are talking about bonnets, then others will most likely throw them up and at the same time joyfully shout: I warned, and I said !!! And such as
        Loess
        just work and will work for the good of Russia, not paying attention to the screamers.
        1. groks
          groks 20 December 2017 19: 56 New
          +2
          What is there to warn? If they increase production to fit in 12 years (probably still unrealistic), then after exhaustion there will be a desert.
          Such as working in their own pocket, promoting the success of EdRoidov. Success in selling the country.
          1. Loess
            Loess 20 December 2017 22: 52 New
            +2
            For 12 years, the state exempted the base South Tambeyskoye field from MET for gas - provided that total production will not exceed 250 billion cubic meters.
            somewhere above there was another similar comment about 12 years. You probably did not pay attention to this restriction, and this is less than 20% of the estimated reserves of the field, and the income tax also remains, although it has been reduced by 12% by 5% from 18 to 13,5 for the same years. So in a hurry to exhaust the deposit in 12 years there is not the slightest sense.
          2. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 21 December 2017 00: 05 New
            +3
            I’m not imagining "exhaustion" to myself
            They extract oil and gas, pump out millions, billions of tons and cubic meters, m,
            But the earth is not sagging, oil and gas in extinct, seemingly exhausted wells are still not ending. You know, in the same Grozny Petroleum Institute, even under the Union, they quite seriously developed the topic that oil and other hydrocarbons are a completely renewable source of energy. Only the renewal rate is different. At different depths, in different regions. How many forgive carbon monoxide is emitted into the atmosphere by mankind per year? And where does all this go? Flies into space? Something flies away, of course, but a miser. The rest then returns to and below the surface. With precipitation, dust, ash ...
            So, in my opinion, the hypothesis is quite a working one.
            They have been talking about the exhaustion of oil in Russia for decades, but for some reason only us are scared of it. Here the Saudis have a bottomless barrel, the same states as they rocked and rock in Texas. Yes, production is falling. For a while. And then, suddenly, miraculously, the wells come to life ...
            Don’t scare us, we’re squashed. :-)
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 20 December 2017 16: 17 New
      +7
      Quote: Less
      Michelsons come and go, but the plant will remain.

      Who will? Your children or the children of Michelson, on which yours will work in tripogibol?
      1. Prjanik
        Prjanik 20 December 2017 16: 49 New
        +7
        [/ quote] Who will? Your children or Michelson’s children, on which yours will work in triple bending? [Quote]
        However, after such comments, one is struck by the “awkwardness” of some people.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 20 December 2017 16: 52 New
          +8
          Quote: Prjanik
          However, after such comments, one is struck by the “awkwardness” of some people.

          Is that all you can say?
    3. Alber
      Alber 21 December 2017 06: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Less
      And the news is good) A large plant, jobs, development of new territories and resources. Michelsons come and go, but the plant will remain. AT


      Mikelsons leave Abramovich with the Zuckermans come and everything remains in their hands!
      A simple Russian people with horseradish!
      1. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 21 December 2017 14: 16 New
        +2
        Gusinsky, Berezovsky, Polonsky, Chichvarkin ...
        "... And who did you leave us for, Nikolai! ..." (V. Vysotsky)
        “Russian” came Zuckerman delighted, by the way.
  6. vlad007
    vlad007 20 December 2017 16: 15 New
    +6
    The start-up of the Yamal-LNG plant is very important for the development and more intensive operation of the Northern Sea Route. The NSR can be a serious alternative to the route from Asia to Europe via the Suez Canal.
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 20 December 2017 19: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: vlad007
      The start-up of the Yamal-LNG plant is very important for the development and more intensive operation of the Northern Sea Route. The NSR can be a serious alternative to the route from Asia to Europe via the Suez Canal.




      NSR will never become a serious alternative to Suezu. For objective reasons. Financial, infrastructural, logistic
      m, natural, geographical
      1. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 21 December 2017 00: 08 New
        +1
        Are you ready to present your personal Wishlist or evidence?
        Never say never!
        Popular wisdom, by the way.
      2. vlad007
        vlad007 21 December 2017 12: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Town Hall
        NSR will never become a serious alternative to Suezu


        In addition to the fact that the NSR is shorter, the passage through the Suez costs money and not small ones - from 8 to 12 $ / ton displacement of the vessel. The passage of large vessels is very expensive - hundreds of thousands of dollars. In addition, the passage through Suez is standing in line, because channel bandwidth is small. Suez was expanded, but the queues did not become smaller, because the number of applicants has increased.
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 21 December 2017 12: 25 New
          +2
          In fairness, passage through the NSR is also not free laughing
          Like icebreaking support.
          But the "extra" two weeks released from the freight of each ship will be a very weighty argument.
        2. Town Hall
          Town Hall 21 December 2017 12: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: vlad007
          Quote: Town Hall
          NSR will never become a serious alternative to Suezu


          In addition to the fact that the NSR is shorter, the passage through the Suez costs money and not small ones - from 8 to 12 $ / ton displacement of the vessel. The passage of large vessels is very expensive - hundreds of thousands of dollars. In addition, the passage through Suez is standing in line, because channel bandwidth is small. Suez was expanded, but the queues did not become smaller, because the number of applicants has increased.



          A beautiful picture ... and what is it that shipping companies do not watch it, but how fools crowd around Suez, and even pay to make a twice as long journey. They don’t know how to calculate? Geography doesn’t know. Or all the same, reasonable people know what they are ?
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 21 December 2017 13: 58 New
            +2
            But there are no ice class ships.
            Novatek ordered 15 ice-class gas carriers and will receive all the cream.
            And there others will catch up ...
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 21 December 2017 14: 24 New
              +3
              Quote: Vlad.by
              But there are no ice class ships.
              Novatek ordered 15 ice-class gas carriers and will receive all the cream.
              And there others will catch up ...



              Listen.Read better a few numbers so that they at least remotely have an idea of ​​what it is about:


              In 2015, only 18 vessels passed the Northern Sea Route. For comparison - so much on average passes through the Suez Canal in 9 hours. Or downstream of the Don passes in five hours.

              In total, about 17000 vessels pass through the Suez Canal annually.


              Vessels that passed the NSR carried 40 thousand tons of cargo in 2015, which is seven times less than in 2014 and 30 times less than in 2013 (1,4 million tons in 2013 and 220 thousand tons in 2014 year).


              The volume of transit cargo through the Suez Canal in the same 2015 amounted to 998,7 million tons, which is 3,7% more than a year earlier.

              This is 25 thousand times more than via the Northern Sea Route.
              1. turbris
                turbris 21 December 2017 16: 08 New
                +2
                Town Hall - Well, what did you want to say, citing these statistics for 2015? What does not need to develop the Northern Sea Route? Of course, the increase in the number of ships passing the Northern Sea Route is not a quick matter, but the process has begun and is this good news for Russia or is it not?
  7. Altona
    Altona 20 December 2017 16: 20 New
    11
    Quote: Chertt
    And I thought, How could such positive news be spit on? (that there are such, there was no doubt) It turns out that it is very simple.

    ------------------------------
    From the positive only that they built the plant. From the negative, that with the attraction of public money from the "welfare fund" and further financial "joys". For some reason, in Russia, the northern country, it is the norm to supply gas and electricity to the population at commercial prices. For capitalists, profit is privatized, losses are socialized, that is, dumped on society.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 20 December 2017 17: 23 New
      11
      Quote: Altona
      For some reason, in Russia, the northern country, it is the norm to supply gas and electricity to the population at commercial prices.

      Not tired yet?
      How much is a cube in the pipe for Germany, for example? And how much is the same cube in your apartment (not in the pipe, but already in the apartment, I emphasize)?
      1. INTER
        INTER 20 December 2017 18: 41 New
        +9
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        How much is a cube in a pipe for Germany, for example

        And do not remind sir what kind of salary there is in Germany or unemployment benefits and all sorts of nishtyaki, you won’t be able to convince anyone here because everything in life in Russia is completely different and the connection to the same gas ranges from 3 million to 70 thousand rubles. For the population with an average real salary of 10 to 20 thousand. The project is necessary, if not us ..... But the life of the population needs to be established for at least one generation, because our people have never lived, always lived out.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 20 December 2017 20: 51 New
          +8
          You, my dear, how ... with two legs, but in a basin with margarine.
          Initial feed was:
          Quote: Altona
          For some reason, in Russia, the northern country, it is the norm to supply gas and electricity to the population at commercial prices.

          My question was related to this (I just happen to know, "how much are import prices," yeah).
          How does your groan about the fact that your salary is not the same as in Germany - does not understand ...
          In Germany, by the way, the “rent” (rental housing) will be much more expensive ... but this is just as irrelevant as
          Quote: INTER
          ... connection to the same gas ranges from 3 million to 70 thousand rubles ...

          They built a summer house in a clean field - now dodge ... not my (and not the state, by the way) sadness.
          Like this request
          1. INTER
            INTER 20 December 2017 22: 07 New
            +9
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            They built a summer house in a clean field - now dodge ... not my (and not the state, by the way) sadness.
            Like this

            He smiled)) you, not knowing the real situation, are talking about everyone, I can give an example from my life, a friend passes a gas line under the fence, and an inset of 300 thousand for a private house. Actually, we defeated Germany, but they live better, and practically all of Europe, with the exception of Ukraine for Europe, and believe me, rent in Moscow is by no means cheaper. From this project, it’s not you and I, like 99% of the citizens of the country who won’t receive anything, as well as from Plato, they still want to add a recycling fee, so the automakers look at our lawmakers as sick
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 20 December 2017 23: 33 New
              +9
              Quote: INTER
              I can give an example from my life, a friend passes a gas line under a fence, and an inset of 300 thousand for a private house

              "Line" is what? Not the Friendship gas pipeline, by chance? wink
              And then - to "throttle" the gas - it’s not an electric cord: the installation of equipment - whose? Ravshana with Jamsut? Hardly? Well, and so on, "in the sense of fire safety."
              Quote: INTER
              not knowing the real situation, talk about everyone

              In no way. Just a couple of days ago, here one sick man also complained about the high cost of the connection ... only there was about electricity. What turned out as a result:
              - the house is really in the open field
              - somewhere in the vicinity there is a power line
              - in order to connect it, it is also necessary to build a substation. Lowering, yeah.
              So it played, excuse me, since it hurt by chance.
              Quote: INTER
              and believe the rent is by no means cheaper in Moscow

              Come on ... I’m from near Moscow myself, the rent for odnushka in a good apartment building is less than 100 bucks a month. Even in winter, with heating. Even though two are registered (so I alone).
              Tell the Germans that it is expensive, and look at the reaction.
              Quote: INTER
              From this project, not you, not me, as well as 99% of the country's citizens will receive nothing

              Personally in your pocket - no. Here you are right around.
              Quote: INTER
              ... Plato ... disposal fee ...

              Cry Yaroslavna (s)
              Personally, I look at it all, as a relief. Not everybody ride a smooth track laughing
              1. INTER
                INTER 21 December 2017 02: 22 New
                +4
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Line "is what? Not the Friendship gas pipeline, by chance?

                It’s not necessary to exaggerate, but if you want specifics, I can show in the same near Moscow region exactly where how and who takes so much.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 20 December 2017 23: 34 New
              +2
              “You and I will not get anything from this project, just like 99% of the citizens of the country” - Shareholders, the country's budget will receive from this project, and everyone else from the budget, including military employees and pensioners.
              1. INTER
                INTER 21 December 2017 02: 12 New
                +3
                Quote: Vadim237
                From this project, shareholders, the country's budget will receive, and from the budget, everyone else, including military employees and pensioners, from the budget.

                The state has already paid for this project, first you need to return it, and only then earn it.
              2. Alber
                Alber 21 December 2017 06: 40 New
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                “You and I will not get anything from this project, just like 99% of the citizens of the country” - Shareholders, the country's budget will receive from this project, and everyone else from the budget, including military employees and pensioners.

                Kukish with butter! In an extreme case, 0 point ten ...
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 21 December 2017 10: 01 New
                  +1
                  Yes, a reasoned answer. Whine on.
              3. Town Hall
                Town Hall 21 December 2017 14: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                “You and I will not get anything from this project, just like 99% of the citizens of the country” - Shareholders, the country's budget will receive from this project, and everyone else from the budget, including military employees and pensioners.



                What will the budget get if shareholders are able to earn at least something only if they are exempted from all duties and taxes and only if the state subsidizes and incurs all costs of infrastructure? ... as soon as these preferences disappear, the project becomes deeply unprofitable
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 21 December 2017 19: 33 New
                  +1
                  Payback at such constructions is not quick, but it will be, and then the profit will go.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 20 December 2017 23: 31 New
          +1
          "But the life of the population must be established even with one generation, for our people have never lived, always survived." So arrange your life - you have hands, you have a head on your shoulders, each creator of his own happiness is difficult, but possible.
        3. turbris
          turbris 21 December 2017 16: 19 New
          +2
          INTER - you, just like Euro-Maidan people, dream of salaries, benefits and pensions in Germany, you had to move for a long time and enjoy all the benefits. You have not forgotten that we are discussing a major project that we managed to implement despite the sanctions. And you mean the average wage, and it, and pensions, of course, need to be raised, who objects, but what does this have to do with the project? Yes, direct - the more such projects there are, the more opportunities there will be to increase this same wage, have you thought about this?
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 20 December 2017 18: 34 New
      +1
      How good you are - to dump losses on society! Do you want to take on yourself?
      This is ugly.
  8. NF68
    NF68 20 December 2017 16: 39 New
    +2
    + + + + + + + + + +
  9. Town Hall
    Town Hall 20 December 2017 16: 52 New
    +4
    "...A number of protectionist measures have been adopted aimed at minimizing the financial burden on project implementers. Let's consider them in more detail. Firstly, these are tax breaks. The state has liberated the base South Tambeyskoye deposit for 12 years from MET for gas, provided that the total volume of production does not exceed 250 billion cubic meters. m. Also for 12 years was granted exemption from property tax. The income tax for the company was not 18%, but 13,5%. In addition, until the completion of all construction works of the enterprise, its shareholders were exempted from VAT when purchasing equipment that does not have Russian analogues. After the construction of the plant is completed, the shareholders will not pay a duty on the export of liquefied natural gas.
    Secondly, the state decided to send direct financial assistance to the project. In 2015, it was decided to purchase Yamal LNG bonds worth 150 billion rubles. Funds for the purchase of bonds were allocated from the National Wealth Fund. The state also funded three-quarters of the cost of building the Sabetta cargo port, through which liquefied gas will be exported. The construction of the port cost 96 billion rubles, of which 71 billion rubles were paid by the state ... "




    That's the whole answer to questions about the profitability of Arctic projects
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 20 December 2017 18: 36 New
      +2
      No, this is not enough, everything is more complicated and more positive.
    2. turbris
      turbris 21 December 2017 16: 25 New
      +1
      Town Hall - how cool did you deal with profitability, probably proud of yourself? I dare to suggest that this issue was thoroughly studied by very large specialists, you are far from them. No one will invest in a project with a pre-loss-making profitability and the state, including, therefore, do not be clever here and leave these calculations to specialists.
      1. Town Hall
        Town Hall 21 December 2017 16: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: turbris
        No one will invest in a project with unprofitable profitability and the state, including




        Seriously?))) ... look around
  10. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 20 December 2017 16: 54 New
    11
    News from the shock workers of the "capitalist economy" about how to do business "correctly":
    They put a hand in the pocket of the state, scored loans under his guarantees, achieved unprecedented tax benefits, "until the end of the century," goods (gas) abroad, profit for themselves. People are able to!
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 20 December 2017 16: 58 New
      +5
      And furnished, it's all like an unheard of victory for the whole country))
      As O. Bender used to say: More cynicism; people like it (s)
      1. marline
        marline 20 December 2017 17: 18 New
        +3
        Are you talking about the Demidovs - which factories were built in the Urals? I agree with you: how did the tsar-father Peter Alekseevich let such a thing happen ????
  11. Lexus
    Lexus 20 December 2017 17: 56 New
    +8
    I want real victories in the field of aircraft manufacturing, electronics and other high technologies ... And not these “pyro-gas” ones. Anyway, to rejoice at the volumes of blood pumped out by the Nazis from Soviet children ...
  12. Altona
    Altona 20 December 2017 18: 31 New
    +6
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Not tired yet?
    How much is a cube in a pipe for Germany, for example? And how much is the same cube in your apartment (not in the pipe, but in the apartment, I emphasize)?

    --------------------------------
    Do you have a salary like in Germany? And in Germany, gas is no longer supplied to homes, only electricity, for reasons of safety. It’s time to somehow orient yourself, Mr. Troll, and not to be unfounded “Putin Vohenshau.” Not tired yet?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 20 December 2017 19: 19 New
      +3
      mister troll, and not to be unfounded "Putin voeshenshau"

      This character is also "opening act" and "telegraph operator" in combination.
  13. Dietmar
    Dietmar 20 December 2017 18: 47 New
    +6
    Well, the people gathered ... Sobchak resting ... One whining and betrayal. Yes, envy is still exorbitant. They wrote to you, many new HIGH-PAYING jobs, for example. Eat, settle down, earn! No, they are waiting for someone to give a command to someone else to allocate money, and for someone to extend a gas pipeline to their village. And to offer a job with a good salary right in the yard.
    A little about nepotism ...
    I once lived in Moscow for several years as a student in a dormitory, in the early 80s, three people in a room. In the next four, one of these four Misha, by the name of Friedman. Yes, yes, this same Friedman, from the so-called "seven bankers". He later became a billionaire.
    So, while we were cutting into preference, and drinking beer, Misha did not lose time in vain.
    For example, next to the hostel was a machine-tool plant named after Ordzhonikidze. The plant had an order for a vegetable warehouse. Misha agreed with the director, students worked at the vegetable warehouse, were listed as factory workers. I don’t know how much Misha himself received, but we personally unfastened 10 rubles a night of work. We, the students, were very pleased, and they also brought vegetables home. This is just one example, and Misha in those years was always busy with something, selling something, changing, starting. And when, already in the mid-90s, I read about the billionaire Friedman in the magazine “Money”, I was not surprised at this news.

    This is to say that it’s easy to whine, that everything is lost, everyone has been plundered, criticized everyone and everything ... That’s mediocrity.
    1. groks
      groks 20 December 2017 20: 10 New
      +9
      So mediocrity does.

      Yeah. So what to do? To go to Yamal, and after 12 years to go back? Or start speculating urgently and immediately, like some kind of goat who was robbing the people and robbing again?
      Good - we’ll shoot tomorrow with the whole factory. Are you going to do komplektuhu for the defense? Or will you meet us at that factory?

      A whole new class - the patriots of the oligarchs and TNCs. The people are always not the same to them - they do not want to "go into business" and want to eat.
    2. You Vlad
      You Vlad 20 December 2017 20: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Dietmar
      It's me that it's easy to whine, that everything is lost, everyone has been plundered, criticized everyone and everything ... So mediocrity is done

      Well, it’s not just that, it’s a systematic population loaded with negativity, why? The competition of countries .. Any victory, achievement must be slandered, ridiculed and this is worthless! They want us to hang our hands and drown in a glass, lead us to a coup and another robbery our country yes And what is profitable, he invested 15 billion, and the exhaust is a trillion. And we also work here yes
      1. groks
        groks 20 December 2017 20: 41 New
        +8
        No need to give out the successes of the oligarchs in cutting the country for achievements. And there will be no negative.
        Who is the author pulled for ... language, to replicate this abomination? Ah - Michelso and pulled. So Michelson miscalculated.
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 20 December 2017 20: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: groks
          No need to give out the successes of the oligarchs in cutting the country for achievements. And there will be no negative.

          Comrade, communism was sold by the communists, what are you talking about? winkYou are far from the topic judging by what you wrote here ..
          1. groks
            groks 21 December 2017 08: 10 New
            +1
            I did not sell. Questions?
  14. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 20 December 2017 19: 01 New
    +8
    After reading about the benefits that the Russian state provided to Novatek and its affiliated structures and how much of its money it invested there at no cost (buying shares is exactly a swelling, since tomorrow they can cost nothing), plus the construction of the port .... and to be honest, just ofigel. Yes ... also the Russians will pay gas to the Chinese for 12 years ( laughing lol ) Cool. "Effective management" in all its glory .... And they say in Russia there is no money for the treatment of sick children, citizens of the country are discounted by subscription .... sad
    1. YUG64
      YUG64 20 December 2017 19: 23 New
      +1
      Ie they will not sell gas, but they will give it for free, did I understand you correctly?
    2. turbris
      turbris 20 December 2017 20: 44 New
      +2
      Monster_Fat - you'd better read about the sanctions that your crazy government is promoting around the world, and then spread about effective management. And the fact that a competitor for liquefied gas is being created for US companies is effective management, and even the sanctions of “fair” competition did not help, they did without a hegemon. And charity for the treatment of sick people is engaged all over the world, including in the USA, but you can’t take part in this, therefore, you are surprised. In general, migrants, being in another country - about their homeland or good, or not at all - the golden rule, learn from others!
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 December 2017 23: 40 New
      +1
      Gas going to China will be paid in the same way that everyone else pays - no free gas will be there.
  15. turbris
    turbris 20 December 2017 19: 20 New
    +6
    A very important event! I agree that steeper than the Crimean bridge is a strategic event that consolidates Russia's presence in the Arctic and gives a new start to transportation along the Northern Sea Route. Do not listen to the "critics" on the site, their attempts to lower the significance of this achievement are absurd and miserable, like themselves. Russia is capable of such projects and all this is done with the participation of the very oligarchs whom the small envious people hate so much. Go Russia!
    1. groks
      groks 20 December 2017 20: 21 New
      +6
      What forward? Michelsons are definitely forward. But for our money. We should be glad that we are bred? Does this fit in your head? Do you like being a sucker, big fan of oligarchs?
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        1. groks
          groks 20 December 2017 20: 49 New
          +5
          What is outstanding - everyone already understood. Cutting is not easy.
          From a textbook for trolls - when you are rude to a person, you don’t need to contact him at the same time. It gives out with a head. And so on you and on you in one message .... Nerves?
          miserable
          Do you see my little one in a circle? That's what I got for this word. But I will not push the right icon - I have not earned it yet.
  16. 406ppm2gv
    406ppm2gv 20 December 2017 20: 22 New
    +5
    Quote: Nikolay73
    voiced by gas workers, 250-280 thousand rubles per yard

    is that we have friends in the suburbs posted 500 thousand.
  17. marline
    marline 20 December 2017 20: 43 New
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    That is, you are not able to confirm the sale of 25% of the shares ... you just refer to the fact that NOVATEK, as it were, has all 100% of the shares)) And where is the sale of these same 25%? Where did it go, dear? wassat

    Oh-oh-oh, they caught me straight ....
    Continuing reading Wikipedia:
    In early 2008, Usmanov sold his stake in Yamal LNG to Volga Resources SICAV SIF SA Gennady Timchenko.

    We open an article about Alisher Usmanov and a miracle:
    In February 2000, Alisher Burkhanovich Usmanov was appointed General Director of Gazprominvestholding LLC.

    You even make excuses somehow silly))))
  18. Yarik
    Yarik 20 December 2017 21: 03 New
    +7
    for London, by the way, a gorgeous Christmas present - gas .... That's because of such clever men, the Anglo-Saxons are conducting experiments on humiliation and defamation over our country. When all the same, it will come to those like Ilya Polonsky that your gifts are perceived as a mandatory kneeling before them. Moreover, for its population, the value of the "public domain" will soon be like a geyrope.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 December 2017 23: 47 New
      +2
      There is nothing free - everyone will pay for gas.
    2. vka
      vka 21 December 2017 05: 49 New
      +3
      In general, the money paid for gas is not a gift, as it used to be with the commies, that's who gave everything to the right and left !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    3. Fight
      Fight 21 December 2017 09: 09 New
      +3
      This year I wanted to get gas into the house .. Pipe through a 70cm wall ... Requested 130000 rubles .. plus in time a year the whole thing lasts .. crying
      1. staviator
        staviator 21 December 2017 12: 00 New
        +1
        Is it such a price in America (judging by the flag)? Then everything is bad.
        1. Fight
          Fight 21 December 2017 13: 31 New
          0
          I live in Magnitogorsk! Why is the flag then SGA, then the UK ... Xs request
          1. turbris
            turbris 21 December 2017 16: 32 New
            0
            Fight - don’t pretend to be, you know well why such a flag does not even appear in Magnitogorsk. That’s when there will be an honest flag, and then climb with your comments ..
  19. vka
    vka 21 December 2017 05: 47 New
    0
    Nitochkin,
    and the one in the bank took a loan only to his beloved car !!!!!
    1. Nitochkin
      Nitochkin 21 December 2017 07: 26 New
      +5
      Excerpt from the description of the Business Start loan product from Mr. Gref:
      “Any beginner businessman aged 20 to 60 can apply for a loan. A loan is granted in rubles in the amount of 100 thousand to 3 million rubles for a period of 6 months to 3,5 years. The borrower must pay 20% of the project financing. When lending for a period of up to two years, the interest rate on the loan will be 17,5%, over - 18,5%. There is no commission for processing and issuing a loan. "
      The loan conditions are very attractive. There is also insurance, mandatory. It remains only to choose: start building a refinery or stir up some kind of gas pipeline to the Germans / Anglo-Saxons.
  20. Fight
    Fight 21 December 2017 09: 05 New
    +3
    No matter how it happened with oil ... Oil is getting cheaper, we are tearing it from the domestic market, that is, you and I ... SchA pipes are pulled with gas, profit is growing, appetite is increasing! And suddenly, most likely due to an excess of gas in the foreign market, the price will fall, and they’re used to eating in three throats, where to get ?! Of course from the domestic market, that is, us and you ... request
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 December 2017 10: 05 New
      0
      As long as oil only rises in price, $ 64, from one dollar on top - a plan of $ 40, the budget receives 116 billion rubles.
      1. Fight
        Fight 21 December 2017 13: 34 New
        +2
        I’m not talking about this, I don’t get much money there, I don’t get much money! I'm talking about the fact that oil prices fell from $ 130 to $ 30 ... oncology, the price of gasoline is rising and rising! .. Over the weekend, the price has risen by 2 rubles .. After ng, it will still jump!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 December 2017 19: 39 New
          0
          But you are in the know that more than half the cost of a liter of gasoline is the state extraction tax, VAT, and transportation. If there were none, a liter of gasoline would cost 18 rubles.
          1. Town Hall
            Town Hall 21 December 2017 20: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            But you are in the know that more than half the cost of a liter of gasoline is the state extraction tax, VAT, and transportation. If there were none, a liter of gasoline would cost 18 rubles.




            If out of 36 rubles per liter-18 it is taxes, etc., and the price of oil is 18, then if the oil fell more than 2 times, would the price of a liter go down by 9-10 rubles or not?
  21. Nikolay73
    Nikolay73 21 December 2017 10: 09 New
    0
    Yarhann,
    Good luck smiling prepared. Cheek brings success. Just courage and arrogance are different concepts, like scavenging and hijacking, spinning and raiding.
  22. nickgv
    nickgv 21 December 2017 10: 42 New
    0
    We share too generously with all our resources, and they underestimate something. Although, for this alone, one could draw a conclusion about our supposedly threatened aggression. So, the Russian threat is just the impending impotence (impotence) of the American “partners”.
    1. vka
      vka 22 December 2017 04: 17 New
      +1
      do not sell, we will sell others, the market is "your mother"
  23. nickgv
    nickgv 21 December 2017 10: 49 New
    0
    It is necessary to transfer the housing and communal services of Russia to total electricity consumption. All these gas "little things" are not justifiably expensive and less practical. It is necessary to produce electricity centrally and give it to end consumers at probably lower tariffs.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 December 2017 19: 43 New
      0
      Let's set up solar power plants, nuclear power plants, wind turbines, upgrade all electric networks and substations, by 70-100 GW, the price of the issue is some 20-30 trillion rubles.
  24. Santor
    Santor 21 December 2017 10: 52 New
    +5
    Quote: Vasya Vassin
    The ending of becoming left an ugly feeling. Those. not deprived of the opportunity to connect to gas networks, a resident of the Russian village was taken gas, but to the aggressor country. And we use it as a reason for pride! Vile.

    On what?!!!! On the supply lines ???? in banks? Do you have any idea what liquefied gas is? The Russian village is now being gasified at an unprecedented pace ... What was practically not done during the Soviet Union ... Roads, gas, city communications - everything was launched in the very initial stage ... Somewhere it’s done faster somewhere slower - but it’s done ...

    What gives us as a country the presence of the port of Sabetta and the ability to send liquefied gas to the buyer? The most important thing is that we can supply gas to any part of the planet that is equipped with a device for receiving and processing this gas ... Thus, our nose-deep competitors, Norway, are thoroughly nasal ...

    Regarding the gasification of Russia .... It began in .... you will not believe it - only in the year 2005. During the period from 2005 to 2016, 2046 gas pipelines with a total length of more than 28 thousand km were built, conditions were provided for gasification of about 815 thousand apartments and households, 5060 boiler houses. As a result, the level of gasification of natural gas in Russia by 31 of December 2016 of the year reached 67,2% (in cities - 70,9%, in rural areas - 57,1%). Gasification is, first of all, the laying of pipelines ... Which are laid on someone’s land ... Before laying - the project goes through a bunch of approvals, the land is bought back, and so on ...

    In 2016, the 163 gas pipeline was built with a length of about 1425 km. Costs from the budget amounted to almost 300 billion rubles, and by the end of the 20 year, when it is planned to complete the main facilities, they will spend another 450 billion ...

    In my Kaliningrad region - as soon as they started building a hub in Ladushkin, where the branch from Severnorg Stream approached, at the same time in the region they began building 4 power plants using blue fuel and several city boiler houses. That is, the heating of apartments in cities will be carried out not as before but through new gas-fired boiler houses ... And the most interesting is that all heating facilities have been completed and put into operation by the new heating season ... Power plants are already generating current for their own needs ... Work is being completed to bring power lines to them and the construction of new transformer substations ...
    Gasification of the region is going at an accelerated pace ... Pipes are pulled in all directions ... Of course, I want it to be faster .... Then last year mothers connected gas heating ... And by the way, 80% of the cost was returned to her as a pensioner ... It turns out there are laws on whom we don’t suspect ... And now goodbye firewood and coal ... There they gasified the whole street ... Next in line ...



    And only a completely stupid, blind or enemy can not see it or does not want to ... Choose in which category to relate yourself.
  25. multipulti
    multipulti 21 December 2017 11: 45 New
    +1
    pre-election fanfare !!!!!
  26. staviator
    staviator 21 December 2017 11: 54 New
    +2
    I remember at VO in one article they wrote that nothing is being built and everything is bad and soon we will all die. I then gave a list of the constructed bridges, factories and ports. Now there is an article about the constructed plant, and so what? Again, everything is wrong and everything is bad. WHEN DOES THIS BUMBING STOP?
    1. marline
      marline 21 December 2017 11: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: staviator
      WHEN DOES THIS PAINTING STOP?

      Never afraid. This is Russia - here the question "How do we equip Russia" has always been a question.
      However, after March 18th, the “whining” will probably become smaller.
  27. Tatyana Rossiyanka
    Tatyana Rossiyanka 21 December 2017 12: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: Prjanik
    Well, make a fortune, acquire the rights to gas production in the Arctic field, build a plant there, infrastructure and realize your gas dream, protectionist benefits to help you. What can not?

    I’m not Putin’s friend, so I don’t have such opportunities. There is a former cultivar, Putin’s trainer, Rotenberg, just shows the wonders of construction activities. He took all the fattest government contracts, a miracle is building a bridge to the Crimea! So, if you were at least someone in the past, but if something connects you with the Russian president now, then your possibilities are simply unlimited.
    1. Tatyana Rossiyanka
      Tatyana Rossiyanka 21 December 2017 12: 40 New
      +3
      I'm not a friend either. Therefore, it is neither cold nor hot for me to build this plant. Will even more money be taken offshore? And it’s a pity for polar bears. Probably them.
  28. Baltic-Lloyd
    Baltic-Lloyd 21 December 2017 12: 40 New
    +6
    [quote] In my Kaliningrad region - as soon as they started to build a hub in Ladushkin, where the branch from Severnorgo Stream approached / quote]
    No branch has been brought to Ladushkin from the Nord Stream and will not be connected, well, if only because it is a settlement on the shore of the Vistula Gulf. You probably meant the construction of a gas storage facility, which is being conducted on the coast of the Baltic Sea in the Pionersk region. This is an LNG storage facility. Further, there is no boom of gasification in Russia, and only a talking room. And a little about Yamal LNG. What actually enjoy the citizens of Russia? That the oligarchs have become even richer? The country, and the country is primarily the citizens of this country, this project is neither hot nor cold, because their well-being will not improve in any way, in principle, it cannot improve, because the project was created to enrich only a few people. And about mythical reasons for pride:
    1. All dredging works in the port of Sabetta were performed by the Dutch, which means that the money for the work sailed abroad.
    2. All equipment for the plant and technology are foreign.
    3. All heavy and bulky equipment was delivered to Sabetta on foreign vessels, since there are no ships of their own in Russi. The money for delivery appeared to have sailed over the hill again.
    4. What is the significance of Sabetta and the LNG plant for the region? That's right - no. Reindeer breeders only have problems from him.
    5. What is the significance of Sabetta and the LNG plant for the development of shipping along the Northern Sea Route? That's right - no. Even in the USSR, with its powerful fleet of atomic and diesel-electric icebreakers, a planning and management system for top-class specialists, it was possible to establish year-round navigation only in the western sector of the Arctic - to Dudinka. How are the current “effective managers” with correspondence education at the HSE going to carry LNG on the NSR all year round? New nuclear power plants are still under construction, even the first Arctic is not known when it will be ready and, most importantly, how effective the new icebreakers will be, blinded out of what, for example, the deck mechanisms on the deck of the nuclear-powered icebreaker, made in Spain, do not really inspire confidence. So, there can be no principle competition even for the Suez Canal and the southern route. And this project cannot cause any development of the NSR.
    6. Vessels for transporting LNG, besides being built at foreign shipyards, they will also go under “convenient flags”, that is, the flags of banana countries. The first three are under the flag of Cyprus. Only the first gas carrier is located in Sovcomflot and then in the Dubai office. The next two “Boris Vilkitsky” and “Fedor Litke” immediately left for the Greek company and, accordingly, the sailors will be foreign, in particular, “Fedor Litke” has already been removed from Korsakov, who was injured by an Indian. Normally, the Arctic and the Indians with filipka on ships, and that for managers there is no difference. So our sailors from these ships will only receive, as one Kremlin character said, "dead donkey ears" or something like that.
    7. About taxes to the budget has already been written above. So, with all the desire, it was not possible to establish, but what is the benefit for the citizens of our country?
  29. Baltic-Lloyd
    Baltic-Lloyd 21 December 2017 12: 47 New
    +1
    And so for information, the Christophe de Margerie has been anchored at Skagen since December 16th. He has not yet delivered gas to anyone and has not saved anyone from the cold. So, an expensive steamboat acts as a cheap floating gas storage facility and selling gas will be cheaper, by principle, well, at least someone take it.
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 21 December 2017 20: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Baltic-Lloyd
      And so for information, the Christophe de Margerie has been anchored at Skagen since December 16th. He has not yet delivered gas to anyone and has not saved anyone from the cold. So, an expensive steamboat acts as a cheap floating gas storage facility and selling gas will be cheaper, by principle, well, at least someone take it.


      Nothing strange. LNG produced even in “resort” conditions is more expensive than ordinary gas. And produced under those conditions with all the specific difficulties — natural, geographical, technological
      logistics, a priori unprofitable at current prices
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  31. Natalia777
    Natalia777 21 December 2017 14: 48 New
    +3
    Gasification of the territory of Russia should be carried out with the widest possible coverage of the population in need of gas. This is the duty of the state.
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 21 December 2017 15: 30 New
      +2
      You were told above that like the construction of factories and roads, these are all problems of the people themselves. Let them take loans in savings, draw business projects, take a shovel in their hands and build! No need to rock the boat and loosen the staples. I also realized that we are a lazy hand-assed and envious.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 21 December 2017 19: 48 New
        +1
        You understand correctly - private head of everything.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 22 December 2017 17: 10 New
        +1
        But factories are being built, from the smallest to the largest. http://www.moderniz.ru/
  32. QWERTY
    QWERTY 23 December 2017 15: 13 New
    0
    You read the comments of all kinds of "crabs" and it becomes clear that:
    - Built a plant or not built - all one thing is bad.
    - Gas should be sold only to residents of the Russian Federation, it does not matter that they do not need so much.
    - Money from the sale of oil and gas should be immediately divided equally among the entire population of the Russian Federation. Budget-budgets are all fairy tales, all the more all the same they plunder.
    - Polyethylene pipes are so cheap that it is possible to lay a gas pipeline in every village for free. Although the main cost there is far from being piped, but nonetheless ... I wonder if such "writers" are ready to go to work for free on gas pipelines to the villages? Well, out of love for a simple non-gasified people.