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The date of December 11 passed unnoticed. And this is the day of the introduction of troops into the Chechen Republic in 1994 year to restore constitutional order. Much water has flown under the bridge since that time. Chechnya is no longer on the front pages of newspapers, and thank God. But the war on terror continues. I present to the readers of "VO" the information of those years from the opposite side. At the beginning of the second Chechen campaign, this recognition of the militant was distributed among the servicemen who performed combat missions. Many years have passed since then, but the information in it has not lost relevance.


I did not write the article in the full sense of the word, I decided to present it as it is. Spelling and punctuation is not changed. Conclusions, as they say, do it yourself.



I can say the former fighter. But first of all, I am a former SA sergeant who was thrown onto the battlefield at the DRA a few weeks before, as I learned later, the withdrawal of our troops from the DRA. So, with three fractures of the limbs, ribs, the strongest concussion in 27 years, I became a gray-haired Muslim. "I sheltered", and perhaps a hozarian, who apparently once lived in the USSR or Russia, who knew a little Russian, bought me. He turned out to have my documents, he left me, and when I began to understand Pashtu, I learned that the war was over, the USSR was not, and so on. I became a member of his family, but it did not last long. With the death of Najib, everything changed. At first, my father-in-law did not return from a trip to Pakistan. By the time we moved from Kandahar to Kunduz. And when I returned with spare parts to my house at night, the boy neighbor told me in secret that they were asking and looking for me. Two days later, the Taliban took me too. So I became a "voluntarily" fighter-mercenary.

There was a war in Chechnya - the first. People like Arabs and Chechens began to cook for jihad in Chechnya. Cooked in camps near Mazar-i-Sharif. Then they sent it to Kandahar. There were Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, many Jordanians among us, but not from Iraq and other Muslim states. After preparation, the last instruction was given by NATO instructors. They transferred us to Turkey, there are camps for the shipment, rest and treatment of "Chechens". They say that highly qualified doctors are also former Soviet. We were transported across the state border by rail without stopping, drove through the whole of Georgia. In Argun, apparently, a gorge in Georgia, we were given Russian passports for residents of Chechnya. In Georgia, we were greeted and treated like heroes. No authorities have obstructed us. Acclimatization passed - the first war ended. In the camp began combat training, mountain. Then drove, wore weapon, ammunition to Chechnya through Azerbaijan, Dagestan, Argun gorge; Pankisi Gorge and through Ingushetia. Part of the cargo went directly to the Stavropol and Chechnya railways. Accompanying cops - their own, payment - cash, Georgian-Chechen dollars. On the inner region and they gave us. Very high quality made.

Soon they started talking about a new war. Europe and the United States gave the go-ahead. The political support was guaranteed, and if the troops of the Russian Federation had not begun, the Chechens would have started, the Ingush were ready to support them. The final preparation began - the study of the region, access to it, bases, warehouses (many of whom we ourselves did), issued uniforms, satellite phones. The Chechen-NATO command wanted to pre-empt the event and were afraid, as we said, that Beria’s heir was in power, and they were afraid that they would close it before the outbreak of hostilities, it would close the borders with Georgia, Azerbaijan, Ingushetia and Dagestan. The strike was expected along the Terek, the department of the plain part and the destruction of all along the outer ring and the inner prospectus with a general search of buildings, farmsteads, etc., with dogs and mine detectors. But no one did. Then they expected that the outer ring of the Terek with captured crossings, strikes with a section by sectors, dividing the three directions of the Russian Federation along the ridges is divided along the gorges to the already tightly closed border. But, alas, this also did not happen. Apparently, our generals, excuse the free-thinking, neither in the DRA, nor in Chechnya, have they learned how to fight in the mountains, much less in open battle, but with bands that know the terrain well, are well-armed, and most importantly are well-informed. They have their own - everywhere, in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the administration, signalmen - all are practically agents. Everybody, especially women and children, who are ready to die for praise of the Wahhabi, are ready to die - he is a jigit. From the side of the GS command, they are all dungeons, i.e. "grown" in the walls of the white-stone (expression of the Chechens).

On the way to Chechnya, I decided to leave home at the slightest opportunity. I knew nothing about the death of my mother. As the most "smart", in Georgia I was appointed almost an assistant field commander. With the arrival in Chechnya, the Chechens, mainly from the local, made their way. From Afghanistan, I took almost all of my savings and hoped that almost 11 thousand dollars would be enough for me. But to start living again, needed money.

With the beginning of the second war, i.e. the antiterrorist operation, our group was abandoned at Gudermes first, then entered Shali. Since there is no solid front, we moved openly in cars. From Shali our group left for Kamaz to Itum-Kale, and then to Gas-66 on the field roads to Mupo, and from there they took out ammunition, uniforms and canned goods. I was led by one of Basayev’s confidants, I don’t remember the name, and is it real? From Chiri-Yurt, part of our group took out the wounded to Dagestan and then to Azerbaijan. In Botlikh everything was surrendered and returned. Here we were already sent into battle in the Serzhen-Yurt area, then Vedeno. Many in the increased gang are local. Received money for the fight and home, sit waiting for the signal, and you are looking for; and they beg for money, bargain for the money they received from the rear men in the battle - suhpay, stew; and sometimes ammunition "for self-defense from bandits." In the battles he was, but he did not kill, he just shot there, or mostly carried the wounded and killed. I took the killed "combat" from the dead.

After one battle, they tried to pursue us, and here I slapped an Arab cashier, but carried my own one, also killed, and left before dawn, through Harami, went to Shamilkala. Then for 250 bucks swam to Kazakhstan, then Bishkek, a refugee. Having earned some money, I got accustomed and left for Alma-Ata. My colleagues lived there and I hoped to meet them. I even met Afghans, they helped me. It's all good, but the main thing about the tactics of actions of both parties:

1. Bandits are well aware of the tactics of the Soviet army, starting with Bandera, Afgan, Yemen, etc. NATO analysts studied all this, summarized and gave us more on the NATO bases in Afghanistan, or rather, the German instructor described particularly in detail all the tactical tactics of the SA in Chechnya during the period of the actions of Beri, the fight against Bandera. Actions in Vietnam. So judge their awareness They know and directly say that "Russians do not study these questions and do not take them into account" - themselves with a mustache, literate - and it’s a pity, very bad.

2. The gangsters know that the Russian army is not prepared for night operations. Neither the soldiers nor the officers were trained at night, and there is no material support. In the first war, entire gangs of 200-300 people passed through the battle formations. They know that in the army of the Russian Federation there is no PSNR (ground reconnaissance radars), the US has enough of them - “Desert Storm”, an example of instructors. No night vision devices - NATO soldiers have every soldier. England on the Falklands overnight, using night vision devices, solved the whole problem - an example of an instructor. And this is so. There are no silent firing devices, and at night to remove the sentry, there is no one to destroy the gang silently, there is nothing and they are not ready (more on that later). And if so, the gangsters hold all the activities and prepare them at night - the Russians are sleeping. Bandyugi in the afternoon hold events only well prepared and surely, and so - the time spent, rest, information gathering is carried out, I have already said, children and women, especially from among the "victims", i.e. who has already killed husband, brother, son, etc.

There is an intensive ideological treatment among these children and they go for self-sacrifice (jihad, gazavat). Ambushes come at dawn (for 1-2 hours), so they sit at home, and at the appointed time or at a signal from the caches of weapons and forth. Expose the "lighthouses" - are on the road or on a high-rise, where you can see everything. How our troops appeared - gone - this is a signal. All almost field commanders of a satellite radio station. From the NATO bases in Turkey, the satellite data is immediately transmitted to the field workers, and they know when the column came out, what is being done in places of deployment. Indicate the direction of exit from the battlefield, etc. All the performance characteristics of our ancient radio equipment they know and constantly monitor. Therefore, all movements are controlled. The instructors said that the Russians did not carry out radio monitoring and direction finding and Yeltsin "helped" with this by destroying the KGB (possibly RTB). They were very pleased to disperse the KGB and their monitoring services. By the way, since the conversation about the chips came, then in Georgia we were given for review portraits of persons whom we should not kill, detain and assist. And I don’t remember all the names, but - Berezovsky, Abramovich, Gusinsky, Yemtsov, and still 6 - 7 portraits, but I don’t remember them all, until Chubais, Bykov, The Kid, Borodin. We were told that these individuals helped Chechnya a lot with money and political support. Do not touch them! This is an order, a photo taken. I didn’t know who they were then, so I didn’t write down the names and didn’t intend to memorize - I thought the local leadership. In a word, several US satellites and bases in Turkey are working on the "Czechs". And bandyuki know that nobody is engaged in their destruction, they are “dispersed” - the most pernicious in the tactics of the Russian army, no one ever follows, they calmly leave after another action. Who is home, who is at the base.

3. Why the huge losses of our troops on the march? Because you carry the living corpses in the car, that is, under the tent. Remove awnings from cars in war zones. Expand the fighters facing the enemy - put people facing the board, benches in the middle. Weapons at the ready, not like firewood, horrible. Tactics of bandits: an ambush with an arrangement in two echelons. 1 echelon fire opens the first. In the 2 echelon, snipers are working, killing airborne ones, blocking the exit, and no one gets out of the tent, but tries - it finishes off the echelon. Under the tent, people are as if in a bag, they do not see who is shooting from where, but he himself cannot, who along their side, while they have turned, are ready. Next - shoot the first echelon through one - one shoots - the second reloads - creates a continuous fire and "a lot of bandits", etc. = fear and panic. As soon as the ammunition -1-2 of the store was shot, the first echelon departs, takes out the dead and wounded, and 3 - finishes and covers the withdrawal. Why it seems that there was a lot, and did not have time to come to his senses, as the bandyuks were far away, if they were in 2 - 70 meters, and there was not a single corpse on the battlefield. In each echelon, scavengers are appointed, who shoot not so much, watch the battle as much as they do and immediately pull out the wounded and killed. Assign strong men. And if "the gang was pursued after the battle, they would have had corpses, and the gangs would not have left. But sometimes there is no one to pursue. Everything in the body under the awning is resting. That's the whole tactic.

4. Capture of hostages and prisoners is the instruction - to follow the "wet chicken". So called bazaars lovers. Since the rear does not work - negligent, careless grudge with a weapon "behind the back" one or two - to the market. And they were. It was already in the DRA (Afghanistan). Here is your experience, commanding fathers.

5. Command error, and bandyuki were afraid of this. It is necessary immediately with the conduct of "sweeps" to conduct a census. They came to the village - they copied each house, how much, who, where, and on the way through the remnants of documents from the administrations and through neighbors, as if specifying the actual situation in each yard. It was possible under the guise that you need to know how many people. you can spring to work, to recover, etc. = not done! And in this way, the control came from the police or the same troops to the village — they checked that there are no 70 men, here’s a list of the gangs. New ones came - who are you “brothers” and where are you from, inspecting them and searching the house - where did you hide the gun?

Any departure and arrival - through registration in the Ministry of Internal Affairs - no - went to the gang - to attack him! Wait - come - slapped. To do this, it was necessary to assign settlements and control of any movement, especially at night with night vision devices and systematic shooting of the bandyuk going to collect the unit, for each unit. And in the morning, the machine gun is in his and everyone's hand - "here he is, bandyuk." No one else will come out at night, no one will come from the gang. At this expense, half of the bandits feed at home and therefore have fewer food problems. The rest will be solved by our logistics men, selling the soldiers' products on the sly. And there would be a zone of responsibility - the army commander, the Air Force and the Interior Ministry worker would control the situation with mutual efforts, and the appearance of any new one - his (Khattab, Basayev and others) look for their wives, in the winter they are there).

And once again - do not disperse the gang. That you plant them like seedlings in the garden. Example: gang, where I was - urgently go out and destroy the column. But informants did not give accurate information (the observer had a walkie-talkie about the first cars coming out, he reported and left, the others apparently were delayed). So the gang hit the battalion, "scattered" and "won." Yeah. Each subgroup has always the task of departure, where, how and where the general gathering area of ​​the gang. And if we were chased - almost “O” ammunition was fired. You need to drag two wounded and killed. I would not have gone far - of course, they would have abandoned everyone and would have gone. And so, in Ingushetia, in the former sanatorium, the wounded were healed and back in operation. Here is the result of dispersion. A month later, the gang rested in the collection. That is why live and elusive warlords remain so long. There would be a rapid response team with dogs on a helicopter and urgently in the area of ​​the collision and with the support of the "beaten", that is, who fired at, and in pursuit. There are none.

6. When will the traffic routes and city streets be covered? Find the same PNV and PSNR (portable ground reconnaissance radars). At night, without noise, such posts and snipers with night sights and shooting, no need to capture, DESTROY. For our legislators and human rights activists such as Kovalev, Yemtsov and others will acquit everyone. They seek the abolition of the death penalty, you see - this is revenge - no, this is retribution, punishment for a crime, tell me the word to these slaver from Apple and SPS = in a word to intellectuals. And destroy quietly, when trying to escape, providing armed resistance, etc.

R.S. Yes, find the wives of the leaders, and catch them.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 21 December 2017 05: 49 New
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    An interesting article .. Only from whom? I doubt that it’s from an action movie. Too much analysis.
    1. kush62
      kush62 21 December 2017 07: 34 New
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      210quq Today, 05:49 New
      An interesting article .. Only from whom? I doubt that it’s from an action movie. Too much analysis.

      And not just analysis. The syllable is clearly journalistic. Everything is neat and on the shelves.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 23 December 2017 17: 13 New
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        Peerless article!
        And even liberal traitors, compradors and Russophobes will say that Stalin was allegedly wrong!

        1. kush62
          kush62 23 December 2017 19: 17 New
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          Aunt Tanya, and Stalin, why are they dragged into this article?
          Add: "Russia has no allies except the army and navy" and you will have many advantages.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 23 December 2017 20: 41 New
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            Quote: kush62
            Aunt Tanya, and Stalin was dragged into this article.
            For comparison.
            Add: "Russia has no allies except the army and navy"
            You also need to be able to fight!
            Learn in politics to see two steps forward, and not just look at your feet!
            You were very young during the Chechen wars 1995 and 1998 in Russia and do not remember anything? Then your misunderstanding is excusable to you.
            It’s not enough to have an army and a navy — we must still be able to lead them and the country correctly! And who led the Russian Federation at this time? Liberal Comprador EBN!
            Here 100 times and remember about Stalin!

            1. kush62
              kush62 24 December 2017 09: 35 New
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              Well no. At that time, the Communist Yeltsin led. He replaced the communist Gorbachev.
              You, as in the Soviet Union. The stealing communist was immediately expelled from the party. I'm not me and not my fault. Leave your beautiful pictures for your young admirers. Ideal people and countries do not and never have been. At all times there has been and is both good and bad.
              1. sa-ag
                sa-ag 24 December 2017 15: 12 New
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                Quote: kush62
                Well no. At that time, the Communist Yeltsin led. He replaced the communist Gorbachev.

                Uh, yes, here, with history, it’s really bad, Yeltsin will put his party card on the table at the XIX party conference
                1. kush62
                  kush62 24 December 2017 17: 54 New
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                  sa-ag Today, 15:12 ↑ New
                  Quote: kush62
                  Well no. At that time, the Communist Yeltsin led. He replaced the communist Gorbachev.
                  Uh, yes, here, with history, it’s really bad, Yeltsin will put his party card on the table at the XIX party conference

                  And in what party he was before and what party brought up such a person.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 28 December 2017 13: 57 New
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                    Quote: kush62
                    And in what party he was before and what party brought up such a person.

                    Are you still at war with the CPSU? Oh, not rational .. Yeltsin escaped from the party in 1989, and indeed this was not a fist son of a Communist, in fact, like his nephew, policeman Gorbachev, so .. cardboard carriers.
                    But in essence they are yours, exactly the same Russophobia and anti-Soviet.
                    1. kush62
                      kush62 28 December 2017 18: 00 New
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                      badens1111 Today, 13: 57 ↑ New
                      Quote: kush62
                      And in what party he was before and what party brought up such a person.
                      Are you still at war with the CPSU? Oh, not rational .. Yeltsin escaped from the party in 1989, and indeed this was not a fist son of a Communist, in fact, like his nephew, policeman Gorbachev, so .. cardboard carriers.
                      But in essence they are yours, exactly the same Russophobia and anti-Soviet.

                      Reasonable you are ours. Not with the CPSU we are at war, but with your lies. You are always to blame, except yourself. You don’t like to admit mistakes; And where is your true lover? Did I write something anti-Soviet or Russophobic? In fact, you are a lie.
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 28 December 2017 22: 15 New
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                        Quote: kush62
                        We’re not fighting the Communist Party

                        Therefore, lie always, everywhere and constantly?
                        Yeltsin is yours and you don’t disown him, he’s given you everything that you stole from people, so shut up, otherwise you’re already in the habit of betraying not only what happened before 1991, but also yours, yours made a disaster for the country.
                        Quote: kush62
                        Mistakes do not like to admit, all extreme are looking for. And where is your true lover? Did I write something anti-Soviet or Russophobic? In fact, you are a lie.

                        Are you talking about yourself? Those who do not see beyond their nose are looking for simple answers, cursing everyone and everyone, forgetting how they praised the Yeltsin themselves in the past, and now, they are disowning themselves from this drunkard.
                        Need makes?
            2. kush62
              kush62 24 December 2017 09: 45 New
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              Learn in politics to see two steps forward, and not just look at your feet!
              You were very young during the Chechen wars 1995 and 1998 in Russia and do not remember anything? Then your misunderstanding is excusable to you.


              Some comrades on the site with an increase in the number of stars increase their star rating. Are you a political analyst? Even from the letter of the “action movie” you manage to find a link to Stalin.

              It’s not enough to have an army and a navy — we must still be able to lead them and the country correctly! And who led the Russian Federation at this time? Liberal Comprador EBN!
              Here 100 times and remember about Stalin!

              Are you very good at military affairs? In politics, in strategy and tactics.
              Can you tell me if you are not advising our General Staff? And then, against the background of our victories in Syria, a brilliant leading personality is guessed.

              Some comrades on the site with an increase in the number of stars increase their star rating. Write beautiful words that will appeal to a certain (your) circle of people and get the pluses in support.
              1. sa-ag
                sa-ag 24 December 2017 15: 13 New
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                Quote: kush62
                And then, against the background of our victories in Syria, a brilliant leading personality is guessed.

                And what is meant by victory in Syria? Good television picture? And then there no one is defeated, moreover, a rollback begins
              2. Tatyana
                Tatyana 24 December 2017 15: 18 New
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                kush62
                Some comrades on the site with an increase in the number of stars increase their star rating. Write beautiful words that will appeal to a certain (your) circle of people and get the pluses in support.
                It is clear that you came to the site as a user exactly how to play gambling for "stars", and according to your one-sided, not quite mature - youthful worldview, you can see that you did not feel exactly the historical changes in the country! You don’t see political ideological differences in the history of the country, you don’t notice the causal connection of the Gorbachev leadership with the West and you do not analyze its ideological conceptual background. And such a scientific discipline as "personality psychology" in general is on the side of your general outlook.
                Are you very good at military affairs? In politics, in strategy and tactics.
                Can you tell me if you are not advising our General Staff? And then, against the background of our victories in Syria, a brilliant leading personality is guessed.
                Eva, where you brought something! How familiar is that in high school! Respected! So usually the proud and obstinate schoolchildren boil, whom the teacher kicked out of the classroom door so that he would not interrupt the lesson in the classroom with his provocative, loud, growing self-confidence and would not interfere with all the other children. In this case, mom can usually be called to school, and dad can give home and neck for such things at school. The student is usually very upset because of this.
                So control yourself - and do not drive the blizzard! Ugly and indecent!
                1. kush62
                  kush62 24 December 2017 18: 02 New
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                  Tatyana
                  So keep yourself in control - and do not drive the blizzard! Ugly and indecent!

                  Something ran into thieves' jargon from the intelligent and knows everything for everyone. I studied well at school, I did not violate discipline in the class. I have been engaged in electronics for over 40 years. Zvezdunov seen enough in life. In the 80s. me as a specialist, they sent me to the GDR to work. So the party organizer of the plant, the same speaker of clever and correct words, hesitated with moralizing. So that your moralizing, designed for young animals, leave for rallies.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 24 December 2017 21: 21 New
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                    kush62
                    Something ran into thieves' jargon from intelligent
                    They themselves are to blame, because as they whine, they respond! What am I to "Aunt Tanya"? What they deserved, they got it!
                    Leave your moralizing, designed for young animals, for rallies.
                    Who is to blame that in politics you are not far from the "young man". Philosophical subjects needed to be studied at the university better, and not just technical disciplines!
                    everyone knows everything. I have been doing electronics for over 40 years.
                    Well, and where did you see that I climb into your electronics, that you say about me that “everyone knows everything”?
                    Generally. I don’t see anything from you except hostility towards the history of our country and banter over its patriots!
                    1. kush62
                      kush62 25 December 2017 01: 27 New
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                      Yes, I am absolutely not against your patriotism and your patriotic philosophy. I do not like pathos and lies.
                      Well, and where did you see that I climb into your electronics, that you say about me that “everyone knows everything”?
                      You’re not getting into electronics, but into moralizing.
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 25 December 2017 06: 08 New
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                        kush62
                        You’re not getting into electronics, but into moralizing.
                        You confuse moralizing with the upholding of well-founded opinions in polemics. You do not own philosophical methods. And they are logical calculations in the binary system of measurement “yes” - “no”. Only in this case you need to enter the correct input data.
                        I do not like pathos and lies.
                        If your beliefs do not coincide with the beliefs of other people, then this does not necessarily indicate their conscious lies. People just might be mistaken. If you are sure that you are right, then prove your point to your opponent. And when you get personal, it means that you simply have no arguments to prove your innocence. In logic, this is sophism and is called the "argument to the individual."
                        You are illogical - and all your conclusions are wrong.
                        Some comrades on the site with an increase in the number of stars increase their star rating.
                        Personally, I did not notice this on the site. And what do you see my "starry", for example?
                        Write beautiful words that will appeal to a certain (your) circle of people and get the pluses in support.
                        This does not apply to me. I say what I think. I have like-minded people, and we understand each other perfectly. What complaints can you have?
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 28 December 2017 13: 59 New
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                        Quote: kush62
                        Yes, I am absolutely not against your patriotism and your patriotic philosophy. I do not like pathos and lies.

                        But at the same time you are lying, and you are showing the literacy of the graduate ... so to speak, the USE has rested on you .. what kind of GDR, electronics ...
    2. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 21 December 2017 08: 17 New
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      The analysis is very high-quality, it does not matter by whom it was made, if it were to convey it to the battalions and companies and train the soldiers accordingly, something will probably change! And so, for the "Victims of the exam and the education of mothers and grandmothers" this is almost an insurmountable barrier.
      1. AnpeL
        AnpeL 22 December 2017 18: 04 New
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        For fighters and victims of the exam, the information is so ... for general reference. This is not even the level of company-battalion command. Here is practically valuable information from the first person to thinking about changing the tactics of battle, the subsequent pursuit, stripping and control. But ... this is unlikely to be noted. Generals, as they say, do not fight by ourselves
      2. tv70
        tv70 23 December 2017 11: 14 New
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        He fought in Afghanistan and, a victim of the USE, give up analysis, so they taught at the Union school not very badly. A pointer in the forehead from the teacher, little things, I do not remember classmates that would complain about the teachers. For business, it means he’s to blame. Now don’t touch it, they’re on the same child ...
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 21 December 2017 09: 09 New
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      Quote: 210ox
      An interesting article .. Only from whom? I doubt that it’s from an action movie. Too much analysis.

      Good instructors, combat experience and no analysis is needed. All actions are chewed by "teachers"
    4. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 21 December 2017 11: 07 New
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      I also think that it is unlikely that the action movie wrote, rather, someone under it. Yes, and it doesn’t matter in principle who wrote, more importantly, the thoughts that are true are stated
      1. ARES623
        ARES623 21 December 2017 21: 17 New
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        Quote: Bulrumeb
        more important that true thoughts are stated

        Yes, like Jules Verne’s submarine design. laughing Bullshit for losers ...
  2. Baloo
    Baloo 21 December 2017 06: 44 New
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    Quote: 210ox
    An interesting article .. Only from whom? I doubt that it’s from an action movie. Too much analysis

    I thought about that too.
    In any case, we wish you good luck so that everything works out.
  3. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 21 December 2017 08: 25 New
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    And why do you think that since there is “analysis”, it means not “the militant wrote? Militants are far from being as stupid as many people think, like they came down from the mountains and don’t know anything but the rams. And I’m there special“ analytics ” and didn’t see, the man wrote about elementary things that are understandable to any sane person, so to speak, "lying on the surface."
    1. would
      would 21 December 2017 11: 13 New
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      Militants are far from being as stupid as many people think, like they came down from the mountain villages and know nothing but the rams.


      Most of them are just the same. You can be convinced of this by going to some Salafi or ISIS public or channel in a telegram.

      And only a few among them are more or less smart. And as a rule, they are not placed in the positions of ordinary fighters. And then the same Ramzan Kadyrov, a former militant in high positions, speaks poorly and writes in Russian. Even he! The funniest thing is that in Chechen, he cannot do without “doun”, and he replaces many of the words that are in the Chechen language with Russian, he simply does not know.
      1. Glory1974
        21 December 2017 13: 20 New
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        And only a few among them are more or less smart.

        At the beginning of the 2000, they laughed at our general staff. They said they could not cope with the blind, one-legged and one-armed. (Maskhadov, Basayev and Khottab, respectively)
        1. Mikhail Matyugin
          Mikhail Matyugin 16 November 2018 01: 57 New
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          Quote: glory1974
          At the beginning of the 2000, they laughed at our general staff. They said they could not cope with the blind, one-legged and one-armed. (Maskhadov, Basayev and Khottab, respectively)

          But nevertheless, although gradually, they managed, and this is good!
          1. Glory1974
            16 November 2018 10: 38 New
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            Managed. But they could and should have done it much earlier.
  4. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 21 December 2017 08: 48 New
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    Who cares who the author is? I am interested in the opinion of the database participants in the mentioned places, is it true written or not? If true, then everything is very bad ... was ... Or is there?
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 21 December 2017 11: 02 New
      +3
      Well, under the tarp and inside the armor they liked to drive explosives, they used a radar, in a reconnaissance reconnaissance and surveillance platoon is responsible for this.
      1. Glory1974
        21 December 2017 13: 15 New
        +2
        Well, under the tarp and inside the armor, they liked to drive a BB

        How did you go to Moscow? Removed tents, turned to face the board? I have never seen to be honest.
        they used the radar; in reconnaissance, a reconnaissance and surveillance platoon is responsible for this.

        intelligence one on a regiment, in the regiment 1500-2000 people. That is, 1 radar on how many block posts, positions, etc.? We are talking about this. No radars, no nightlights.
        But in the USA it’s only up to x ......, therefore, in Iraq and Afghanistan, the militants acted during the day, because the US soldiers have the advantage.
        We have the opposite.
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 21 December 2017 14: 26 New
          +2
          And the feds rode on the armor
    2. Glory1974
      21 December 2017 13: 17 New
      +4
      is it written or not?

      I don’t know if there was such an action movie in real life, but everything else is true.
      Now it is changing gradually, more armored vehicles are arriving, more radars and nightlights, communications. But everything is far from ideal. I am silent about the combat experience. He is safely forgotten until the next mess.
  5. tank66
    tank66 21 December 2017 10: 34 New
    +6
    The analysis may be good, but minor inconsistencies scratch the eye ... For example: ALL losses of OKSVA for 1989 - 53 people / including missing b / c /. There were practically no fighting. For every soldier, the commanders flew in so much that it was nonsense to leave the battlefield. Documents from the sergeant / 27 years old -? / BE YOURSELF WITH YOU - they are in a safe at the headquarters of the unit ...
    1. Glory1974
      21 December 2017 13: 10 New
      +1
      ALL losses of OKSVA for 1989 - 53 people / including missing b / c /. There were practically no military operations.

      The troops withdrew in February 1989. That is, losses for one and a half months of not conducting hostilities. Then there was already an agreement on a ceasefire.
      Here on the site there are articles about the battles in Afghanistan, when there were people who died during the battle before the 80-100 (operation).
      1. tank66
        tank66 21 December 2017 14: 05 New
        +6
        I am in the know. The war is ours. It depends a lot on fathers of commanders. In my division / 5th guards /, for example, due to 2 missing fighters in 1984, there was a large-scale operation, when the suburb of Herat was half-day hollowed (releasing a beaver before it) / until the spirits “matured”. They gave about 10 people - it turned out they were using sewing machines / and zvizdyulyah / they drove Montana-jeans for dukans ... Specialists were dead of happiness ..
        1. Glory1974
          21 December 2017 16: 45 New
          +4
          Anything can happen. In the second company, they captured “Kamaz” with two servicemen. So Shamanov gave the command to bring the elders to the checkpoint, there in their presence he fired a salvo along the outskirts of the village and threatened that if the prisoners were not surrendered, the next salvo would be in the center of the village. The prisoners were returned a few hours later.
  6. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 21 December 2017 10: 42 New
    +4
    Bandits are well aware of the tactics of the Soviet army, starting with Bandera, Afghanistan, Yemen, etc. NATO analysts studied all this, summarized it, and gave us back at NATO bases in Afghanistan, or rather, the German instructor especially "described in detail all the tactical tactics of the SA in Chechnya during the period of Beria’s actions, the fight against Bandera. Actions in Vietnam.
    What are the NATO bases in Afghanistan between the first and second Chechen ?! There the Taliban ruled then and there were no NATO members at all! And then, this “action movie” threw his family like that in Afghanistan (it’s written about the father-in-law at the beginning), having taken all the money and went on traveling around the world)
    1. Glory1974
      21 December 2017 13: 07 New
      +1
      What are the NATO bases in Afghanistan between the first and second Chechen?

      I think we are talking about the work of analysts and instructors on classified bases, and they have been operating there since 80's of the last century.
      And then, this "action movie" threw his family like that in Afghanistan

      The basis of the article is the tactics of the militants. But how the information is received can be covered up by a fictional fighter.
  7. wlkw
    wlkw 21 December 2017 11: 12 New
    +6
    "I doubt that the action movie. Too much analysis."
    We do not know his education, in the Union it was not bad, maybe he had an incomplete higher education, but he got into the army.
    And then, how many years have passed, the time to change your mind and comprehend 10 times is enough.
    These are not post-fight notes.
  8. Naum
    Naum 21 December 2017 11: 40 New
    +2
    Interesting article. It can serve as a basis for a modern combat charter, which all fighters must be taught!
  9. Antonio_don
    Antonio_don 21 December 2017 13: 30 New
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    I apologize to the author, but something this article looks like a frank lie.
    1. Glory1974
      21 December 2017 16: 42 New
      0
      What is it like a lie?
  10. Romka47
    Romka47 21 December 2017 14: 47 New
    +3
    The article is interesting, and it seems like the truth. In any case, the notes are sensible, you need to swear on your mustache, so that in the future you do not pay with soldiers' lives.
  11. Wildfox
    Wildfox 21 December 2017 15: 56 New
    +3
    Very similar to the manuscript of the next "daughter of a Russian officer." At one time I was very interested in the actions of the explosives in the second Chechen one, so I came across a video where the mayor taught the lieutenant colonels and colonels the methods of forming groups when searching for shelters for militants. Most of the course related to wooded and mountainous areas.
    Firstly, it casts doubt that the gangs were leaving the villages, the second that work was not done specifically to destroy the gangs, most likely this task was charged with other units. Yes, it mentioned the presence of NVD fighters and the quality of ambushes.
    I can’t find the video ((Yandex blocked, but Google gives crap ((
    Come on, it’s important that this article does not quite correspond to those events. And about "I didn’t shoot. Just over my heads", in general touched. And about “catching up and destroying”, too, especially assuming that “there are no fools” they were and were quite capable of leaving, leaving mines and extensions. I would like to know how, in such a situation, the remnants of the staff without officers (the author himself writes about the second echelon with snipers, if the officers are not combat-ready), should they catch up and destroy the gang neither of which number nor weapons are known? hi
    1. Glory1974
      21 December 2017 16: 40 New
      +1
      casts doubt on the fact that gangs left the villages

      gangs can be different. They can act both from their villages and from shelters in the forest.
      the second is that work was not carried out specifically to destroy the gangs, most likely this task was charged with other units.

      In the first war, however, as in the second, the task was to detain, arrest, deliver to the police. If it did not succeed, then if there is information that the person is really a fighter, then the task of destruction was set.
      Come on, it’s important that this article does not quite correspond to those events. And about "I didn’t shoot. Just over my heads", in general touched. And about the “catch up and destroy”, too, especially if we assume that “there are no fools” were and were quite capable of leaving, leaving mines and extensions.

      “I didn’t shoot” is the usual excuse for any captured action movie; nothing new is written here.
      But “catching up and destroying” is naturally a task for a specially trained unit. The rear convoy, which was ambushed, of course, cannot cope with this. But it doesn’t have such a task either.
    2. passerby5
      passerby5 23 December 2017 13: 24 New
      +1
      when they put a barrel in your head and cranked it in a circle, not really to stretch marks. at least you can’t teach a lot
  12. Cananecat
    Cananecat 21 December 2017 16: 51 New
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    I can imagine the same analysis. It’s not necessary to vang especially; all that is said lies on the surface. I will add to my desires a couple of hot facts and voila la ... you can print on VO. laughing
  13. ccsr
    ccsr 22 December 2017 20: 51 New
    +5
    Apparently, our generals, excuse free thinking, neither in the DRA nor in Chechnya have learned to fight in the mountains, especially not in open combat, but with gangs who know the area well, are well armed, and most importantly, knowledgeable.

    The author of these words is a complete amateur in military-political issues, that’s why he doesn’t understand why they fought in the DRA and in Chechnya so “ineptly”, although I would call it a fight with tied hands.
    Firstly, in both cases, the war for which our army was being prepared was actually not, because these were police operations involving the armed forces of the DRA in Afghanistan, or the involvement of the Russian army in the help of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Federal Grid, without any right to use all their power.
    Secondly, in Chechnya it was forbidden to use bomber aircraft to destroy gangs if they were in settlements, which was not the case, for example, in Vietnam or Iraq by the Americans.
    Thirdly, the combat training of the SA was mainly focused on the war in the forest-steppe zone of the European and Far Eastern theater of operations, and therefore, our equipment and people were not specially prepared for the war in the mountains, with the exception of certain units.
    Fourth, the psychology of the Russian man was fundamentally different from the psychology of the Muslim DRA and Chechen bandits, which is why our troops suffered unjustified losses where it was possible without engaging in a contact battle to destroy the enemy remotely, using heavy weapons. This would lead to losses among bandit accomplices and the destruction of housing, but would facilitate the liberation of territories from terrorists.
    There are also fifth and sixth, but it is too big a question to start point by point to show the author how primitively he estimates those wars. As a simple example, the single use of thermobaric ammunition in Dagestan led to the instant withdrawal of bandit formations, which shows how it was possible to fight with less losses:
    In August, 1999, in the period when terrorists attacked Dagestan, a large-volume bomb exploded on the village of Tando captured by militants. The bandits suffered huge losses. In the following days, the mere appearance of a single Su-25 attack aircraft over any settlement forced the militants to hastily leave the village. There was even a slang term "Tando effect".

    https://topwar.ru/3825-bov-vse-nachalos-s-chernog
    o-tumana.html
    1. Glory1974
      23 December 2017 20: 41 New
      +3
      an amateur in military-political issues, that’s why he doesn’t understand why they fought in the DRA and in Chechnya so “ineptly”

      it is too big a question to start point by point to show the author how primitively he evaluates those wars. TO

      Of course you are right if you evaluate the war from a strategic point of view.
      If everything is clear with the strategy, the level is not an action movie.
      From a tactical point of view, what's wrong? Or did military-political knowledge impede the successful operation of the 131 Maykop brigade? Or 245 SMEs were shot in ambush in Yarysh-Mardy because they were traveling with their hands tied?
      the single use of thermobaric ammunition in Dagestan led to the instant withdrawal of bandit formations,

      Thermobaric ammunition was used constantly. Besides the described case, for some reason no one was afraid of them anymore. Although no, of course they were afraid, but this did not stop them from conducting hostilities. By the way, 2 of the month fought in Dagestan. The Chabanmakhs and Karamahs stormed for a month, no one ran there.
      Therefore, discard the excess pathos
      There are also fifth and sixth,
  14. Citizen 90
    Citizen 90 23 December 2017 12: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: Canecat
    ... all that is said lies on the surface.

    That is the point. And for how many years everything has been visible and nothing has changed. And from this terribly "for the Power offensive"

    In order for any government to move not only towards earning personal wealth, you need either an UNPocketed opposition (Do not offer Navalny. They’re not allowed to go to the feeder, and it’s freaking out), or someone socially oriented and influential enough who isn’t in the political arena and where to get it - the thoughts of many thinking people are busy with this. And there, the staff around the head will gather thinking and finances will go in the right direction - the same in the military-industrial complex, and not in support of the business of the heads of concerns.

    Dreamed.
  15. ccsr
    ccsr 23 December 2017 23: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: glory1974
    From a tactical point of view, what's wrong? Or did military-political knowledge impede the successful operation of the 131 Maykop brigade? Or 245 SMEs were shot in ambush in Yarysh-Mardy because they were traveling with their hands tied?

    Well, at least from the fact that the entire route should be covered by aviation, and all nearby settlements in the area of ​​movement should be cleaned from militants. I'm not talking about the fact that in the event of an attack on the convoys of troops, our army was not even entitled to destroy everyone who was in the combat zone, including civilians. Can you tell me in which army conducting the fighting, it was forbidden? I’m not even talking about the fate of Ulman and Budanov - this was a consequence of the fact that the army fought with tied hands.

    Thermobaric ammunition was used constantly. Besides the described case, for some reason no one was afraid of them anymore. Although no, of course they were afraid, but this did not stop them from conducting hostilities. By the way, 2 of the month fought in Dagestan. The Chabanmakhs and Karamahs stormed for a month, no one ran there.

    Throw fairy tales to tell - it was heavy-duty charges that would allow destroying any fortified points both in the mountains and in settlements, but I don’t remember something that they were massively used there. But how some settlements were stormed without heavy artillery, they even reported on television. And this caused not so much surprise as misunderstanding why our people are not so sorry.
    Therefore, discard the excess pathos

    Paphos has nothing to do with it, because not everyone who analyzed those wars were naive people, and they perfectly understood why such losses were taking place. By the way, in Syria it was finally possible to work on any objects without looking back, wherever they are, which is why the losses are minimal. Although I do not think that the militants in ISIS were worse prepared than in Chechnya or in the DRA.
    1. Glory1974
      27 December 2017 22: 42 New
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      in the event of an attack on convoys, our army was not even entitled to destroy everyone who was in the combat zone, including civilians. Can you tell me in which army conducting the fighting, it was forbidden?

      It was allowed to destroy civilians by fascist troops during the Second World War. Show at least one order, any army that allows the destruction of civilians. Or did they act successfully in Syria because there was such an order?
      By the way, in Syria it was finally possible to work on any objects without looking back, wherever they are, which is why the losses are minimal.

      Our troops did not participate in the land war, so the losses are the same.
      namely, heavy-duty charges would make it possible to destroy any fortified points both in the mountains and in settlements, but I don’t remember something that they were massively used there.

      here you are right. They worked limitedly on settlements. They took care of the civilian population. Limited heavy weapons were used. But the article is about elementary tactical counterguerrilla actions. The same 245 regiment would not have suffered such heavy losses if elementary statutory requirements for the march had been fulfilled.
      What is the problem of finding an action movie wife, ambushing and killing a villain? I know such successful actions, but they were not used en masse. Why?
      Trucking infantry, why? Because there were no armored vehicles. Why? Who is to blame? A number of issues that can be resolved at the tactical level and at least minimize losses.
      not everyone who analyzed those wars were naive people, and they perfectly understood why such losses were

      I would like to read about loss analysis, but unfortunately it is not in the public domain.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 28 December 2017 13: 38 New
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        Quote: glory1974
        It was allowed to destroy civilians by fascist troops during the Second World War.

        Well, do not speculate with the help of ideology - who thought about civilians during the assault on Berlin or during the bombing of Dresden by the Allies in the Second World War? Or did the Americans send cruise missiles past Baghdad in the first war in the Gulf?
        Our troops did not participate in the land war, so the losses are the same.

        What prevented the use of this tactic against Chechen fighters? Well, since we could track their leaders and destroy them point by point, then larger forces could be destroyed by aircraft with more powerful charges.
        What is the problem of finding an action movie wife, ambushing and killing a villain? I know such successful actions, but they were not used en masse. Why?

        So you yourself answered why we suffered losses instead of using other methods of destroying members of gangs.
        Trucking infantry, why? Because there were no armored vehicles. Why? Who is to blame?

        Well, they did not prepare the Soviet Army to fight with their own people - that is why for such a war the necessary armored vehicles in our troops were not enough.
        I would like to read about loss analysis, but unfortunately it is not in the public domain.

        In 1995, in the spring in Kubinka, officers of the central apparatus were shown the results of military operations in Chechnya, and at the same time, in some structures, the military operations of our troops were analyzed in detail. So the materials already appeared then, but as you understand, they will never be in the public domain. But in Syria they were taken into account - this is obvious to any military professional.
        1. Glory1974
          30 December 2017 20: 20 New
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          Well, do not speculate with ideology

          What does ideology have to do with it? The Germans executed civilians for the killing of their soldiers by partisans. Officially, guided by the orders of his generals, this was recognized as a war crime in Nuremberg. Since then, no one has ever given such orders, and moreover, there are the Geneva Conventions, which set out how military operations should be conducted, and stipulates responsibility for the killing of civilians.
          What prevented the use of this tactic against Chechen fighters? Well, since we could track their leaders and destroy them point by point, then larger forces could be destroyed by aircraft with more powerful charges.

          they did so if the militants were not in settlements.
          Well, they did not prepare the Soviet Army to fight with their own people - that is why for such a war the necessary armored vehicles in our troops were not enough.

          You speak with newspaper cliches. The commentary above complained that they were not allowed to kill civilians, and now suddenly a “war with their people”. This is not an understanding of current events and, accordingly, another newspaper stamp. Or is your strong liberal conviction? By the way, Khattaba and others you also relate to your people?
          If you do not quite understand what is at stake, I explain. For a soldier who rides in a truck under an awning, there is no difference, the militants or enemy DRG attacked him, a major war or a local one. This is a tactic. And the tactical issues are monitored in the article: the actions of the militants and how to resist them. But about the technology, who was preparing for what, these are strategic issues that have nothing to do with the topic of the article.
          So the materials already appeared then, but as you understand, they will never be in the public domain. But in Syria they were taken into account - this is obvious to any military professional

          full of materials, here you are right. But unfortunately they are not in the combat manuals. That is, those who face the enemy face to face do not have this knowledge. What are we talking about.
          What you took into account in Syria, as you yourself wrote, “worked without restrictions,” has an indirect relation to the Chechen experience.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 30 December 2017 21: 18 New
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            Quote: glory1974
            What does ideology have to do with it? The Germans executed civilians for the killing of their soldiers by partisans. It is quite official, guided by the orders of their generals.

            Do not take the discussion aside, but rather name it when in the Second World War the presence of residents in it was an obstacle to bombing cities. When you find such precedents, like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then you will moralize about our hostilities.

            they did so if the militants were not in settlements.

            Then you apparently didn’t understand what the “fighter” wrote about, who accused our generals of not knowing how to fight and using tactics incorrectly. What is the mistake in tactics here, if you yourself admit that it was forbidden to destroy militants in settlements? Maybe the assault on Grozny was based on the scenario of the assault on Koenigsberg?
            The commentary above complained that they were not allowed to kill civilians, and now suddenly a “war with their people”.

            To suppress the rebellions and gangs in the USSR, there were internal troops, line units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB, which legally had the right to commit violent acts against civilians. But the military personnel of the Ministry of Defense did not have such rights, because initially they were prepared to repel external aggression, which is why the SA did not have the armored cars that were created now. Even the BK in the tank regiment loaded on the usual side Urals and ZILs - or do you not know about it?
            What you took into account in Syria, as you yourself wrote, “worked without restrictions,” has an indirect relation to the Chechen experience.

            The fact that Semen Mikhailovich’s experiment was used badly in Chechnya is a fact - his experience was not mediated, but real, and the situation was much more complicated then. So we had to learn from the experience of suppressing Basmachism in Central Asia, and not engage in coping in the spirit of Kovalev.
            1. Glory1974
              30 December 2017 22: 58 New
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              better name when in WWII an obstacle to bombing cities was the presence of residents

              This was not an obstacle. For nobody. But now is. The fact that the United States is not responsible for its attacks on civilians and shot weddings, only says that who is stronger is right. But at the same time, note that they never admit that the blow was delivered on purpose, only by accident. The difference between the Germans in the Second World War and they catch?
              I will tell you more. In Chechnya, too, went to the residents. But at the same time, under no circumstances was an order issued for the extermination of civilians, although for example the village of Komsomolskoye was plowed with airstrikes, and not only him. But everything was always done to save the population. The same handwriting is in Syria. Corridors were created for civilians to exit, even families of militants were released.
              What is the mistake in tactics

              The article says what the militants were afraid of. But for some reason the generals did not. For example, they did not block the border with Georgia.
              But the military personnel of the Ministry of Defense did not have such rights, because initially they were preparing to repel external aggression, which is why the SA did not have the armored vehicles that were created now. Even the BC in the tank regiment were loaded on ordinary onboard Urals and ZILs

              Armored vehicles were not in the BB. Nobody had them at all. This miscalculation can be safely attributed to the top leadership and to consider that it has no relation to tactics. By the way, the military personnel of the Moscow Region, along with the BB, were involved in domestic operations since 1985 of the year since the start of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh.
              Armored vehicles are used to transport personnel, but not ammunition.
              So we had to learn from the experience of suppressing Basmachism in Central Asia, and not to engage in coping

              We are talking about this. But since the company and battalion commanders can act only as part of an order from above, the article also describes what are the nuances in the tactics of the militants and how to resist them.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 31 December 2017 11: 33 New
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                Quote: glory1974
                The difference between the Germans in the Second World War and they catch?


                Read carefully, and do not make general conclusions about the actions of our army during the Second World War, where even armored trains destroyed our settlements, if the situation required it:
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 31 December 2017 11: 37 New
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                Quote: glory1974
                Armored vehicles are used to transport personnel, but not ammunition.

                You didn’t seem to understand that they were not in the SA, because our infantry on the BMP and armored personnel carrier was moving. Why did she not need one more new type of armored vehicles in the form of armored vehicles, at least from the point of view of maintenance and repair of various-sized vehicles?
  16. alavrin
    alavrin 24 December 2017 09: 03 New
    0
    He did not write an action movie. Perhaps the author met with a former fighter and conveyed his story in his own words.
  17. ccsr
    ccsr 24 December 2017 16: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: sa-ag
    Quote: kush62
    And then, against the background of our victories in Syria, a brilliant leading personality is guessed.

    And what is meant by victory in Syria? Good television picture? And then there no one is defeated, moreover, a rollback begins

    Against the backdrop of US actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, the victory of the Russian army looks simply brilliant - Assad is in place, leads Syria, although the Americans predicted that he would live three months from strength before the operation began.
    Well, it’s not even worth talking about losses - count how many coffins the Americans delivered from their adventures in the Middle East, and what losses Russia has. The fact that something might drag out there is only because the Americans are secretly helping ISIS so far.
  18. Dzungar
    Dzungar 24 December 2017 18: 55 New
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    This is GON .... As a person who fought in Chechnya in the first and second Chechen wars, I say - THIS IS WHOSE Fiction
    1. Glory1974
      27 December 2017 22: 53 New
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      As a person who fought in Chechnya in the first and second Chechen wars, I say - IT'S WHOSE FICTION

      A more detailed? What exactly do you disagree with?
  19. kush62
    kush62 28 December 2017 17: 53 New
    0
    badens1111 Today, 13: 59 ↑ New
    Quote: kush62
    Yes, I am absolutely not against your patriotism and your patriotic philosophy. I do not like pathos and lies.
    But at the same time you are lying, and you are showing the literacy of the graduate ... so to speak, the USE has rested on you .. what kind of GDR, electronics ...

    And where did you see my lies and illiteracy? The youngster himself, from the Young Communists.
  20. uporov65
    uporov65 1 January 2018 15: 37 New
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    We ourselves know our mistakes, the trouble is different, the fathers-commanders do not always analyze. Although the war in South Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Donbass and Syria show a good trend towards recovery. More G.K. Zhukov said: "A long non-warring army is turning into a useless, bureaucratic organization." To defend national interests in local wars is a kind of fight with a sparring partner. IMHO.