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In the footsteps of the presence of the liberal-dermakrats, who threaten the collapse of the Russian statehood, through the prism of the housing sector

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Opinion to the article posted at: Tariff "unlimited": Russians will pay more for utility services

With such an expert-elite public, the quality of which is clearly seen in the opinion of such pseudo-experts, like prof. Bogomolny EI, the population of Russia will never get out of need and a debt pit.

Let this "pseudo-professor" try to explain what was said and published in this article: “Today, the Criminal Code is free of charge for charging money to homeowners, and they also issue receipts.”

First, no money (?!) management companies (CC or partnerships) are charged to homeowners - they charge payments, including for utilities, for the production of which they can never receive a license and, accordingly, the provision of services for their delivery to consumers should not be based on purely legal considerations.

Consequently, they are not entitled to be performers in this area of ​​the activities of the housing and public utilities complex, even on the scale of a single apartment building for the same reason, not to mention other legislation. And it follows from this that homeowners are not in a position to make a claim on the quality of the supplied municipal resources (mainly cold and hot water supply) to the current Criminal Code.

Moreover, as a rule (especially, it concerns partnerships performing CC functions), compensated contracts for the supply of communal resources from the MC to the owners of the premises (direct consumers) are not concluded, and if they are executed, then only “for unsubscribe”, absolutely formally, what cannot be used in resolving disputes arising in court.

In turn, this leads to the fact that the courts, accepting the consideration of such cases to their proceedings, resolve them according to the rules of general legal proceedings, and not in favor of the consumer-owner of housing, completely ignoring the rules of consumer protection legislation.

Secondly, if we talk about management companies as independent legal entities (LLC or CJSC), then one of the main goals of their activities, a priori and, in accordance with their statutory documents and tasks for the timely execution of many management functions and quality maintenance of apartment buildings is a profit.

And, precisely, on the basis of the principle of achieving goals by any means while extracting profits, the Criminal Code does not hesitate to rob citizens in order to satisfy their “holesholes” in filling the “scam”, regularly and cheekyly, unreasonably and uncontrollably, “drawing” any increased tariffs in notifications for owners housing, including for general house needs, which should be specifically mentioned.

Our property, decorated in the property, consists of two parts: the apartment itself (room) and shares in the common property of the house. In accordance with the Law, everyone pays a fixed tax on personal property (for a house, apartment or room), calculated from the total market value of housing (apartment + share in total property), which is credited to the local budget.

I will allow myself here to make two reservations:
1) Apartment (room) is one type of property (like residential real estate), constituting 3-5% of the total cost of housing, which, being owned by citizens, has a corresponding registration under the Unified State Registry of Rights (EDR).
2) The share of the owner of an apartment (room) in the total property of a house is a completely different type of property (also residential real estate), constituting the total cost of housing (purchased or privatized) 95-97%, also, in accordance with the Law (Art.219 Of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation) is subject to registration under the EGRP. But for one of the citizens of Russia who did not pass this procedure.

There is a generally accepted and well-known truth - there is no registration, there is no ownership. And, since there is no ownership of common share property, then for us there is nothing to transfer to the management of the Management Company, i.e. There is no subject for a contract. Although, let me remind you, we pay a tax on the total cost of housing (apartment + share).

In addition, the absence of the right of the Criminal Code in raising funds for the maintenance of the common property of the house is also understandable from the point of view of the current legislation, where Section 5, Art. 3 of the RF Tax Code reads: “No one may be obliged to pay taxes and fees, as well as other contributions and payments, which possess signs of taxes or fees established by this Code that are not stipulated by this Code or established in a different order than that defined by this Code.”

Thus, it should be concluded that citizens, having bought (privatized) housing, but not receiving registration actions from the competent authorities for the share in the common property of the house, and paying the tax to the local budget, calculated on the total cost (although then we keep for our "hard-earned"), transferred our share of property in the common property of the house for the exercise of management functions by it, the local municipal government.

And, for the owners of the common property of a particular apartment building, it would be interesting to know what their taxes are spent on, which go to the local treasury for their housing. What functions of municipal government, in managing this property, carried out? Consequently, the collection of funds carried out by the Criminal Code for general household needs (maintenance of common property) is repeated and illegal.

This is the reality of today throughout the country, and in the current situational conditions of what is happening, such an absurdity, with all the desire, cannot be “crammed and laid” in the framework of human existence and common sense.

And, thirdly, at the moment management companies for "Statement of receipts" they collect such fabulous money, which is more than enough for not only paperwork, but also for a comfortable rest for idlers “over the hill”, as, incidentally, for their domestic travels on the new “Bee-eM Ve”.

However, the “professor” thinks (for some reason?) That the Criminal Code conducts its activities in the interests of the premises owners, free of charge. Breathtakingly. As if from the moon fell.

But the fact that the elimination of intermediary drones in the person of the Criminal Code (partnerships) of the performer - the consumer can not lead to an increase in tariffs, it is - and "do not go to the grandmother."

So, our leader was a thousand times right when he stated unequivocally: [i] "We must cut off the management companies in the housing and utilities sector from the cash flow in the very near future."
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 21 December 2017 05: 37 New
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    In the footsteps of the presence of the liberal-dermakrats, who threaten the collapse of the Russian statehood, through the prism of the housing sector
    about how ... it’s the liberals who turn up the tariffs for me, and the Guarantor fights them ...
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 21 December 2017 06: 05 New
      +8
      Who in our country is the most "dissatisfied and outraged" by the growth of housing and communal services tariffs is right Putin. And he was elected so that he not only resented, but also fought with it
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 21 December 2017 07: 06 New
        10
        Was Putin elected as a house manager?
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 21 December 2017 10: 48 New
          +2
          This is not a royal affair.
          For this, the Criminal Code created for residents to directly control the quality of services and their cost. But the mentality was inappropriate.
          1. nadezhiva
            nadezhiva 25 December 2017 15: 36 New
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            But wouldn’t they open their eyes wide to the citizens, and not look at the payment system? Is the tariff for ONE growing faster than tariffs for heat and hot water? Resource accounts are more than half the cost of a receipt, despite the fact that all “modernization” programs are either ridiculous and insignificant, or break down, despite the fact that profit flows from the country to the islands. Today, Perm has become very popular. Scheduled repair work on hot and cold water supply networks in the winter season. Every week, several thousand people are without cold water, then without heating. And all, most importantly, according to plan laughing

            Article - rare ravine. Directly ONE in the receipts are scaled and unbearable for the population. Although, in this case, I am standing ovation by the PCO. So powder the brain of Garant and pretend to be poor sheep ... beautifully tearing up tariffs for heat and water .... Talent, no doubt.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 21 December 2017 06: 42 New
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      Right now, he will be re-elected and will be “indignant” for another 6 years with the growth of housing and communal services tariffs. How tired of all this, chesslovo! negative
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 21 December 2017 09: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: Greenwood
        Right now, he will be re-elected and will be “indignant” for another 6 years with the growth of housing and communal services tariffs. How tired of all this, chesslovo!

        Well, if for example Navalny is elected, then we will be indignant at the growth of housing and communal services tariffs (we will be already an example (Ukraine)! "How tired of all this, chesslovo!"
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 21 December 2017 09: 23 New
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          Quote: SRC P-15
          resent the growth of housing and communal services tariffs, we will already
          Those. Now it suits you, well, well.
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Bulk

          Quote: SRC P-15
          (an example is Ukraine)!
          What about Navalny and Ukraine?
          1. Romulus
            Romulus 21 December 2017 09: 28 New
            +7
            Quote: Greenwood
            What about Navalny and Ukraine?

            You are naive, and who except for them, and also the United States and small Britain is to blame for our troubles? Not GDP, however, comrades lol
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 21 December 2017 09: 31 New
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          Quote: SRC P-15

          Well, if for example Navalny is elected, then we will be indignant at the growth of housing and communal services tariffs (we will be already an example (Ukraine)! "How tired of all this, chesslovo!"

          You can already take it as a marker, if someone starts to scare Navalny and Ukraine, then this is probably a supporter of Putin. How tired of all this, honestly! Well, in what terrible dream did you see that Navalny could even hypothetically win the presidential race? And why did you (confused) think that if there is someone other than Putin as president, then everything will be like in Ukraine? It turns out that the last term will be held by the Guarantor and will be with any new president, as in Ukraine? Stupid as it turns out! Absolutely irrational. Therefore, it is not necessary to project your personal fears and phobias (unjustified by nothing) onto the rest of society.
          1. groks
            groks 21 December 2017 10: 00 New
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            These are not Putin supporters. These are those who parasitize on Putin. Supporters of EdRa. Which EdRo really are crooks and thieves. Nothing can be said about Putin, since he is not doing anything.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 21 December 2017 14: 35 New
              +4
              Quote: groks
              as he does nothing.
              He is "outraged" ... lol
              1. Antianglosax
                Antianglosax 22 December 2017 11: 40 New
                +1
                "It is necessary in the very near future to cut off management companies in the housing and utilities sector from cash flow."
                Because how not to do this - it will be a disaster, only one thing is trande, and the other is to do it!
    3. Finches
      Finches 21 December 2017 09: 15 New
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      Oh, grandfather! The local "truth-seeker", a fighter against totalitarianism, the secret assistant of Nalny and a potential agent of the State Department ...! laughing
      It’s only necessary to clearly understand that under capitalism the role of the Head of State is greatly limited in matters of influence on the domestic economy! He may recommend not raising tariffs, but the real small-scale owner decides how much and to whom to pay ... We are still only moving away from wild capitalism - laws are being improved, but this process is not fast, at least for one reason - there are very powerful forces opposing this ... Let's choose, for example, any of the dissatisfied Putin from our site, and so what? He will sit in the Kremlin and paradise on earth will come right away - this is from the realm of fantasy or psychiatry! There are no miracles! This is either naivety, or insanity, or outright stupidity or deliberate wrecking!
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 21 December 2017 09: 28 New
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        Quote: Finches
        Oh, grandfather! The local "truth-seeker", a fighter against totalitarianism, the secret assistant of Nalny and a potential agent of the State Department ...!

        not Hami Zyablintsy, the answer will fly ... Anal, your favorite Cossack. and yes, I am for the Truth. do you want the next one? On: Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday signed a law that prolongs the freezing of the funded part of the pension. The text of the document was published on the official portal of legal information
        As specified, the funded part of Russian pensions will be frozen until 2020
        rg.ru - so how? "State Department" did it? once again raped the old people? come on, shout "cheers" ... you Zyablintsy do not care for the elderly, it turns out, you are an agent of the State Department, if the enemy is your people .. you are apparently happy for the "Sechin" rowing billions.
        1. Finches
          Finches 21 December 2017 09: 35 New
          +9
          I communicate with you in a language that you understand, because, as I have noticed, you still don’t understand another! And you don’t bear any truth - you are an ordinary populist who does not offer anything concrete, but just pouring mud on everyone, without much desire to delve into the existing the situation is objective! I’m not saying that we don’t have problems, that Putin is an angel ..., I emphasize once again that today any change in course and political leadership will plunge Russia into chaos - this is what you and others like you suggest - it means you are an enemy of the people, not me! Already much more obvious - there is an example of Ukraine, but no, everything is numb ....hi
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 21 December 2017 10: 44 New
            +6
            Quote: Finches
            , today any change in course and political leadership will plunge Russia into chaos - that’s what you and others like you suggest - it means you’re an enemy of the people

            this is where I SUCH suggested? Lying.
            Quote: Finches
            there is an example of Ukraine, but not everything is numb.

            I am against the "Maidan". I, for turning the domestic policy towards the "social sphere" and the economy. Is there no money? and ministers, deputies and thieves, do not live greedily?
            Quote: Finches
            today, any change in course and political leadership will plunge Russia into chaos

            what nonsense ... you simply are not literate ... when Stalin died, the people also thought that he was the end of the world ... where did you get the idea that in a multi-million country there are no more people who can lead the country to prosperity?
            because there is no opposition? so its not artificially. besides any trash like Oval-smart and competent people, BUT, the system does not allow them to power.
            Quote: Finches
            You are an ordinary populist, offering nothing concrete, but just pouring mud on everyone, without much desire to delve into the existing situation objectively!

            come on! then who is Putin? some promises! "mud" whom I "poured"? -LIE! .. what concrete to offer? so that for the "gills" took housing and communal services? Pension Fund? so that the FAS would work? so that banks would not drive people into mortgage in mortgage? What else do you need? This is the work of the government, which it does not.
            1. Finches
              Finches 21 December 2017 11: 21 New
              +7
              I’ve seen enough in the army — the same as you, all the bad ones — the brigade brigade commander, this drunkard, they’re not driving like that, but I know how! But in the end, they can’t even command the department .... I don’t mean you, specifically, but your rhetoric is just that ... How to do what you are talking about - today, in the framework of the current system, legislation - the President, as the head of the executive branch, is quite constrained in his maneuver! That is nothing! This is not the party’s General Secretary and not the monarch, but a high-ranking employee, but no more. You see!
              Here you can shower me with your LIES as much as you like, it makes me neither hot nor cold, because even if you don’t lie, you juggle and exaggerate, I will say softly. You can’t really do anything, and no one can! There will be elections. Will you vote for whom? For Zyuganov, probably ... So vote, this is your right, and I will vote for Putin! If you like, I’ll choose the least of several evils!
              1. Grandfather
                Grandfather 21 December 2017 12: 04 New
                +3
                Quote: Finches
                I've seen enough in the army - the same as you, all the bad ones - brigade brigade commander, this drunkard, not the helm

                bad army ... I haven’t seen anything like this in mine
                Quote: Finches
                ..How to do what you are talking about - today, within the framework of the existing system, legislation - the President, as the head of the executive branch, is quite constrained in his maneuver!

                that is, is he unable to tear away the presumptuous ones from the "feeding trough", or did one of the ulyukaev "under the distribution" fall? and there, such a mass! or not in the power of the President, to cut this snake ball of liberals?
                Quote: Finches
                You can shower me with your "LIE" as much as you like, it makes me neither hot nor cold,

                apparently, either you don’t understand, or you are not able to understand ...
                Quote: Finches
                and I will vote for Putin! If you like, I’ll choose the least of several evils!

                how did you weigh this "evil" by weight? if, in your opinion, this whole liberalistic nursery from his environment is a “lesser evil” then this is the finish. as for me, this is the highest evil that impedes the growth of the country, which is lobbying for its interests, which is generally busy stuffing its pockets. A man from the fisheries, who broke through to Putin from the Far East, is confirmation. The ministers forgot to work, the main thing is the loot! and so almost everywhere. Who's stopping Putin from putting things in order? why does he lie about the real state of affairs? why does he only know firsthand the Truth? is HIS ministers, his team. who's guilty ? Commander in Chief!
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 21 December 2017 11: 38 New
        +7
        Quote: Finches
        assistant to Nalny and potential agent of the State Department

        Quote: Finches
        there is an example of Ukraine, but not all ....

        ABOUT! That's what I wrote about! Bulk and Ukraine, but where without them! Let me guess, you are probably a supporter of Putin. Indeed, for them, both Navalny and Ukraine are like manna from heaven! Almost the only, and most significant arguments in any dispute. How would they interestingly defend their pro-Putin position if there were no Navalny and Maidan in Ukraine?
        In this sense, it becomes clear why Lesha is not closed, and if planted, then not for long. Such as Lesha and Ksyusha, Ukraine, serve as a favorite scarecrow among those in power for the electorate.
        1. Finches
          Finches 21 December 2017 11: 44 New
          +8
          And I’ll ask you once again - what are your candidates, these heroes of thoughts and deeds who will make Eldorado blooming from Russia in no time !? Where are they? Where are the programs? Not your fantasies, snot and nagging, but real affairs on a countrywide scale ...? I see and feel Putin’s affairs! More could be done - no doubt, but you could do nothing at all and go there , where Russia rolled under Yeltsin - in the ass! You, while offering only one thing - again start to roll in the ass!
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 21 December 2017 11: 49 New
            +6
            Quote: Finches
            And I’ll ask you again - what are your candidates

            Well, here is a new candidate from the Communists, what is bad? And by the way, precisely this problem with worthy presidential candidates, and the circus from the election campaign with horses, our president also arranged.
            1. Finches
              Finches 21 December 2017 11: 55 New
              +9
              Today’s Communist Party has completely discredited itself and doesn’t represent the structure that the people would follow! It’s not the CPSU and all the more not the Bolshevik Party - there isn’t even a leader with strong charisma ... The Bolsheviks went to break the system, and the current Communist Party does not break the system, but to get to the trough! That's the point!
      3. basmach
        basmach 21 December 2017 13: 54 New
        +5
        Well, Zyablintsev, as always. Well, this plugger has been spinning here for a long time. To begin with a question. How did you manage from the colonels for just ONE month right up to the marshal to crawl. Well, okay, this is a rhetorical question. But about the limitations of the President. You watched the Constitution.
        "Article 80

        1. The President of the Russian Federation is the head of state.

        2. The President of the Russian Federation is the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of man and citizen. In accordance with the procedure established by the Constitution of the Russian Federation, it takes measures to protect the sovereignty of the Russian Federation, its independence and state integrity, ensures the coordinated functioning and interaction of government bodies.

        3. The President of the Russian Federation, in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal laws, determines the main directions of domestic and foreign policy of the state.

        4. The President of the Russian Federation as the head of state represents the Russian Federation within the country and in international relations.
        Article 83

        President of Russian Federation:

        a) appoint, with the consent of the State Duma, the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation;

        b) has the right to chair meetings of the Government of the Russian Federation;

        c) decide on the resignation of the Government of the Russian Federation;

        d) submits to the State Duma a candidate for appointment to the post of Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation; puts before the State Duma the issue of dismissal of the Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation;

        e) at the suggestion of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, appoints and dismisses the deputies of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, federal ministers;
        Article 90

        1. The President of the Russian Federation issues decrees and orders.

        2. Decrees and orders of the President of the Russian Federation are binding on the entire territory of the Russian Federation. "
        1. Finches
          Finches 21 December 2017 14: 15 New
          +8
          I don’t write garbage like you - that’s grown up ... Basmach, I personally wish you all the best, health and material well-being in the upcoming New Year! And Putin has nothing to do with it ... Just, understand, we’ll remove it - you’re better it won’t be — it will only get worse! Even if he is a terrible corrupt official, but he is a statesman! Remember Menshikov — bad, good, but there was a statesman, and Marshal Zhukov? There were junk cars, but there was Victory ... Let's not transfer your personal insult the whole population of Russia! I, after the 90s, didn’t ... I'm for Putin! I ate crackers for six months and fed my first daughter with pressed barley ... Go to one place, gentlemen, balobols! hi
    4. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 21 December 2017 09: 38 New
      +6
      In the wake of the presence ....
      "" Putin V.V., member of the CPSU since 1975.
      Matvienko V.I., member of the CPSU since 1972 of the year.
      Naryshkin S.I., member of the CPSU since 1976 of the year.
      Medvedev D.A., member of the CPSU since 1986 of the year
      Ivanov SB, member of the CPSU since 1973 of the year.
      Shoigu S.K., member of the CPSU since 1979 of the year.
      Lavrov S.V., member of the CPSU since 1972
      Sobyanin S.S., member of the CPSU since 1986 of the year.
      Churov V.E., member of the CPSU since 1982 of the year.
      Fradkov M.E., member of the CPSU since 1972 of the year.
      Poltavchenko G.S., member of the CPSU since 1975 of the year.
      Bortnikov A.V., member of the CPSU since 1975.
      Stepashin S.V., member of the CPSU since 1973 of the year.
      Chaika Yu.Ya, member of the CPSU since 1976 of the year.
      Gryzlov B.V., member of the CPSU since 1971 of the year.
      Astakhov P.A., member of the CPSU since 1985.
      Sechin I.I., member of the CPSU since 1990.
      Chubais A.B., member of the CPSU since 1980.
      Kolokoltsev V.A., member of the CPSU since 1982.
      Ulyukaev A.V., member of the CPSU since 1983.
      Siluanov A.G., member of the CPSU since 1989.
      Volodin V.V., member of the CPSU since 1985.
      Surkov V.Yu., member of the CPSU since 1985.
      Golikova T.A., member of the CPSU since 1986.
      Zorkin V.D., member of the CPSU since 1970.
      Lebedev V.M., member of the CPSU since 1968.
      Tuleyev A.G., member of the CPSU since 1968 of the year.
      Zubkov V.A., member of the CPSU since 1967. "" "(from the Internet) ..
      Wonderful are your works!
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 21 December 2017 10: 44 New
        +6
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Wonderful are your works!

        and cho ... they all regularly run to church ...
    5. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 21 December 2017 15: 30 New
      +1
      Well, firstly - resent it is not to carry bags
      and secondly, soon one of the tsar’s friends will receive fucking money from the state official for “reform, centralization and digitalization of the housing and communal services”. type "Plato" for utilities ....
      ... and appear in Russia one billionaire more. good richer Russia!
  2. 210ox
    210ox 21 December 2017 05: 41 New
    +4
    Yes, that’s right, of course, our leader .. As for cutting off from the outflow ... Only about whether he will do it, that’s the question
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 21 December 2017 05: 48 New
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      and gas prices, too, of course, the "liberals" wind up ... and the Guarantor is for the people! fighting villains with them!
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 21 December 2017 06: 09 New
        +8
        Thank you, very clearly. Maybe after 2018, finally, Putin will have some time to do the internal affairs of Russia
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 21 December 2017 06: 43 New
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          For 17 years I haven’t found, but now I’ll suddenly find ... Well, well ... Blessed is he who believes.
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 21 December 2017 08: 08 New
            +6
            Quote: Greenwood
            For 17 years I haven’t found, but now I’ll suddenly find ... Well, well ... Blessed is he who believes.

            Directly removed from the tongue
        2. 210ox
          210ox 21 December 2017 09: 09 New
          +5
          "Slave on the galleys" can only row .. But he does not see where .. yes
          Quote: Chertt
          Thank you, very clearly. Maybe after 2018, finally, Putin will have some time to do the internal affairs of Russia
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 21 December 2017 09: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: 210ox
            "Slave on the galleys" can only row .. But he does not see where .. yes
            Quote: Chertt
            Thank you, very clearly. Maybe after 2018, finally, Putin will have some time to do the internal affairs of Russia

            laughing
  3. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 21 December 2017 06: 04 New
    +6
    To criticize all the best ... And what can you offer? Only real, but "not to shoot everyone" ..
    What are tariffs made of? What are the rationales for them? And many more other questions.
    But few people give themselves the trouble to deal with questions in detail.
    In addition, if the respected GDP begins to tighten the screws, in order to toughly combat all the outrages taking place in the country, those who criticize Putin are the first to take root.
    Whatever he does, Putin is still to blame ..)
    And put yourself in his place .. The gut will be thin among many commentators, for it means taking responsibility for decisions.
    And he is ready to be responsible for his decisions.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 21 December 2017 06: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      Whatever he does, Putin is still to blame ..)

      No, not everyone thinks that way ..... Putin himself will not do everything. But he can select personnel for work in certain areas, somewhere in Vl.Vl. it turns out, but somewhere a complete failure
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 21 December 2017 06: 38 New
        +7
        In addition, if the respected GDP begins to tighten the screws, in order to toughly combat all the outrages taking place in the country, those who criticize Putin are the first to take root.
        Why would a "simple worker" howl? he’s got it all twisted, “don’t pamper him at all” ... We criticize Putin not because he is too Putin, but because he is not enough Putin! the circus with promises should finally stop, but Putin always considers the work of the Medvedev Government successful ... strange, isn't it?
      2. Victor N
        Victor N 21 December 2017 07: 10 New
        0
        From whom to select the staff at the housing office?
        1. 210ox
          210ox 21 December 2017 09: 13 New
          +5
          What does the "ZhEK level" have to do with it .. This is a large enterprise by the way (by today's standards). And it is PRIVATE .. Management company. I judge, for example, by my small homeland, Smolensk. There are heads of management companies and large businessmen and deputies, and authorities in the area .. Cool place, by the way. And the garbage is not cleaned. And the matter is not in the personnel, but in the SYSTEM.
          Quote: Victor N
          From whom to select the staff at the housing office?
    2. Nix1986
      Nix1986 21 December 2017 07: 07 New
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      And how did he answer for at least one failure ?! Get off the armored car, just ranting. You on the oil industry to remind the situation about the replacement of excise tax transport tax ?! Replaced ?! And who was responsible for raising the excise tax, while the transport tax remained? Or, that in the 2000s, the oil industry reduced the severance tax so that they renew their wasps and pull up to 4-5 euros of gasoline so that it can be sold, not oil. Updated ?! Yes hrn there, profits in a pocket and that's all. So, you can tell tales to grandmothers in the courtyard about responsibility among close GDPs, but not here.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 21 December 2017 20: 34 New
        +1
        And "Diver - bottom - search engine" Ulyukaev, wasn’t it close to GDP.
        1. Nix1986
          Nix1986 22 December 2017 06: 55 New
          0
          I would be close lived as Kadyrov and others. And so the scapegoat for revealing flogging.
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 21 December 2017 08: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      And he is ready to be responsible for his decisions.

      Yes, he is not responsible for his decisions, of the decisions embodied in life - only the abolition of the death penalty, of course, from the decisions on domestic policy. Personally, I can’t forgive him for the WTO, everyone was against him alone, and what have we raped from this WTO? Sanctions?
    4. BecmepH
      BecmepH 21 December 2017 08: 22 New
      +8
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      To criticize all the best ... And what can you offer?

      And what did you offer?
      What are tariffs made of? What are the rationales for them? And many more other questions.

      Yes. Why is oil getting cheaper and gas more expensive? Reveal the secret and I will lag behind you.
      In addition, if the respected GDP begins to tighten the screws, in order to toughly combat all the outrages taking place in the country, those who criticize Putin are the first to take root.
      Why do we need to twist the nuts? Are we disgraces in the country?
      Whatever he does, Putin is still to blame ..)
      Was he forcibly driven to the Kremlin? Or did he inherit the throne? No, brother, that was his choice. If you took responsibility, then pull and do not wait for protection and forgiveness.
      One could be condescending if this was the first term. Like, "I did not calculate my strength ..." But here everything is different, consciously.
      And put yourself in his place ..
      Each ram carries its eggs ...
      And he is ready to be responsible for his decisions.
      That's why we are trying to ask him
  4. midshipman
    midshipman 21 December 2017 07: 20 New
    +2
    Where is Men? It is his concern and work. Second Mutko. I have the honor.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 21 December 2017 10: 29 New
      +3
      we have such "wise" completely and completely ... from the government to the district administrations ... wherever you spit - some are "wise" ... the vertical of power in Russian ...
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 December 2017 07: 35 New
    +2
    I will not go into polemics with critics of GDP and "experts." I will say one thing - the article is good and it is clear that the author wrote with knowledge of the matter.
    1. JeCa
      JeCa 21 December 2017 09: 35 New
      0
      stupid article, the person who wrote it is not familiar with the Housing Law.
      1) in accordance with the provisions of the LC RF, the management company works for a fee and this is clearly defined. The preparation of receipts is the responsibility of the Criminal Code for which it receives money.
      2) In accordance with PP 354 "On the Procedure for the Provision of Utilities", the responsibility for the quality of utilities rests with the Criminal Code and this has not been canceled, Housing inspectorates do not sleep and the fines are enormous.
      3) Criminal companies buy utility bills at tariffs set for the population and sell them to the population according to them, as you can see, there is no money to earn here, but debts to resources are growing by leaps and bounds.
      4) Any sane UK will be glad if they take away money for utilities, hence the plus - easy care for simplification. Who sits on the general system that tax is crushed. He accrued 100 rubles, but in fact they brought 90 to the cash desk, taxes were paid from 100, and not from those who arrived, and a rare Criminal Code would last 5 years, the resources would be sued for debts.
      5) Negligent management companies no more than 3% of the total.
      By the way, management companies are tied to cash flows by the RF LCD which signed GDP
      For the time being, the project of removing the asset management company from cash flows in the Ministry of Construction project looks like: Real money for resources and debts to management companies. By the way, tariffs for utilities are determined by regional authorities, consider the Government of the Russian Federation, and not management companies
      1. seos
        seos 21 December 2017 14: 04 New
        +2
        5) Negligent management companies no more than 3% of the total.

        What galaxy do you live in?
        in the city of Nakhodka, negligent companies 100% from Wrangel village tried to come to the Criminal Code that really worked, but their office was immediately thrown with Molotov cocktails, and they came from the prosecutor's office and questioned the tenants about which bastard they persuaded them to choose this Criminal Code.
        There is no choice, the company is given the yoke to reign and it can serve the tenants in any poses, no one can change such a company (we held elections for the whole company 80% of the vote, the city administration does not recognize these elections because the cattle have no rights )
        1. JeCa
          JeCa 22 December 2017 10: 29 New
          0
          there are rights and they are registered in the RF Housing Code, complain to the prosecutor’s office, the prosecutor’s office, the housing inspectorate and then collect their answers, eliminate the indicated shortcomings and everything will be fine
          1. seos
            seos 22 December 2017 14: 09 New
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            Quote: ZheKa
            there are rights and they are registered in the RF Housing Code, complain to the prosecutor’s office, the prosecutor’s office, the housing inspectorate and then collect their answers, eliminate the indicated shortcomings and everything will be fine

            What a naive scribe you are! The prosecutor's office, the courts, and the housing inspectorate are the personal knots of local rulers. If you want to use your rights, they will kill you.
            Separately, about the prosecutor’s office, a 5-story Khrushchev in the basement of the local Criminal Code made a warehouse of barrels of gasoline, boards, gas welding equipment (10 cylinders with propane and oxygen) ... we wrote complaints to the Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection - they answered that everything was fine, the prosecutor said “when” then explode and write "(literally + the seal of the prosecutor), to the plenipotentiary of the president, etc., after 3 years of sending letters the bomb was removed from the basement .... after a fire in this basement ....
            And I repeat once again the Prosecutor's Office conducts preventive conversations with those who want to exercise their rights ...
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 December 2017 08: 43 New
    +6
    So, our leader was a thousand times right when he stated unequivocally: [i] "We must cut off the management companies in the housing and utilities sector from the cash flow in the very near future."
    He can declare anything on the eve of the elections. Only, the cat left kittens, who doesn’t let him solve this issue?
  7. sv-georgij
    sv-georgij 21 December 2017 11: 14 New
    0
    Once again I hear reasoning about the growth of tariffs. Let’s understand, I’ve been working in the power system (communal unlike a thermal power plant) for more than one year. I started in 2009 and the energy costs in the tariff were 50%; now in 2017, these costs are equal to 70%, i.e., energy prices are rising, due to which the tariff is growing due to the rest. Regulatory bodies do not lay profit at all in our tariff. The share of repairs is reduced, the costs of servicing bank documents are not accepted. And much more we will take into account at the same time the level of payments for the consumed heat is about 80% and what we get in the end. And how can I explain the fact that Gazprom and electricians, bypassing the current legislation, determined by a special government decree special levels of pennies for energy debts of 27% of the amount owed. In my opinion, a communal apartment is being intensively destroyed. The purpose of destabilization.
    1. JeCa
      JeCa 22 December 2017 10: 38 New
      0
      Communal utility is not just being destroyed but being finished, moreover, methodically and systematically, the state regulation of tariffs will lead to the fact that external networks will generally be unable to function, and in the near future, they will not invest any funds for repairs and modernization in the tariff xx. And in general, the communal fee is not as high as the incomes of the population are small.
  8. Overlock
    Overlock 21 December 2017 11: 19 New
    +1
    "It is necessary in the very near future to cut off management companies in the housing and utilities sector from cash flow."
    --------------
    how many years did this insight take?
    What about laying between the state and hospitals in the form of insurance companies? Insight will come when there are no hospitals and the population?
  9. Overlock
    Overlock 21 December 2017 11: 21 New
    0
    Quote: ZheKa
    By the way, tariffs for utilities are determined by regional authorities, consider the Government of the Russian Federation, and not management companies

    when setting tariffs, local authorities proceed from the control figures of the Russian government, below which there cannot be a tariff
  10. sv-georgij
    sv-georgij 21 December 2017 11: 21 New
    0
    Now for the Criminal Code. The fines that the inspection sets are significant, but we pay these fines. The Criminal Code has no other money. And I remind you that the housing that was privatized thoroughly before this was not repaired and all this later fell on the Criminal Code. The state seems to have forgotten the state of housing at the time of privatization.
  11. Overlock
    Overlock 21 December 2017 11: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: Razvedka_Boem
    In addition, if the respected GDP begins to tighten the screws, in order to toughly combat all the outrages taking place in the country, those who criticize Putin are the first to take root.

    He had the opportunity to tighten the nuts with his protege (Vasiliev and Co.). but he didn’t have enough thread, it’s rather weak.
    And he twists everything for the common people: gas prices, rising taxes, housing and communal services tariff growth and much more. Only here there is a danger that the thread will break.
    Something always disturbs a bad dancer. He himself built the ETU system and now blames it himself. You just have to look in the mirror. The gap between the 10% richest and poorest in Russia 17 times!. And how many billionaires appeared with him?
    So we come to mind one thing: "Everything is its own, the rest is the law."
    And I don’t think that his worldview has changed. He wanted to spit on affairs inside the country. He pays attention to them when outrages get publicity.
  12. sv-georgij
    sv-georgij 21 December 2017 11: 31 New
    0
    "local authorities in setting tariffs proceed from the control figures of the Russian government, below which the tariff cannot be"

    Not lower than the control figures of the Government of the Russian Federation, and not more than those that are installed. An example last year, a tariff was set for us 2,5%; the control was 4%. In general, the tariff according to the legislation should be economically justified, but as I was told, "the consumer of public utilities is a consumer for you, but for us it is an electorate," that is, an elector. Of course, you can demand repairs and much more, but as they say, "stretch out legs for clothes".
  13. seos
    seos 21 December 2017 13: 58 New
    0
    Sued with the Management Company which 1) forged the selection protocol by residents in the Criminal Code 2) took the money without rendering any services, only repaired permanent pipe breaks, overhaul through the court only forced to saddle and it was absolutely useless (falling apart after half a year because it was knee-deep in the basement) They sued because they refused to conclude an agreement with them and pay money, all the courts lost, the judge made a decision on the basis of the LCD of the RSFSR in 1965, because all modern laws were on our side, all instances passed where the illegal decision was left unchanged, in the Constitutional court of the Russian Federation, the decision was legal (a quote from the decision of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation- "although there are no such laws in the Russian Federation, they are very well suited to the current case")
  14. VladGashek
    VladGashek 21 December 2017 14: 36 New
    +1
    It is necessary to return the Soviet administrations or restore the housing office. It may be of little use, but there will be less direct theft and cheating. Not all innovations of liberal democracy have realized themselves. It's time to cut the dead organs of liberals as an appendix.
    1. seos
      seos 23 December 2017 17: 39 New
      0
      HA All these management companies were created from housing offices with 100% transfer of all workers ... There are still the same faces as 20 years ago ... only there is no Soviet control ...
  15. a housewife
    a housewife 21 December 2017 15: 01 New
    +4
    That's why I live in a private house and would never agree to move to an apartment. Residents of apartments have simply become hostages of management companies. They seem to be the owners, but they cannot do anything — they can neither remodel their homes as they like, nor decide for themselves what to repair and when, how much money to spend on it, or even pay only for themselves, and not pay bills for non-payers or current pipes in the basement .
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 December 2017 20: 36 New
      0
      “What, when and how to repair” - It is impossible to remodel an apartment without permits — and all other repairs, please.