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US media told what the F-22 is inferior to the Russian Su-35

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Last week, two American F-22 fighters intercepted Russian Su-25 and Su-35 in the skies over Syria, and this incident revealed the significant shortcomings of US combat aircraft, writes Business Insider.




“The F-22 with its stealth technology and impressive maneuverability is the most lethal American-made fighter. Aircraft specialization is to conduct air combat. However, under current conditions, its secrecy does not provide great advantages, ”the article cites. InoTV.

In a certain sense, the “secrecy” of the American plane only hinders: “after all, in the event of a rapprochement with another flying object, the F-22 cannot show the weapons on board because the missiles and bombs are hidden under its skin,” the author writes.

In addition, "Su-35 can carry more missiles on board and is distinguished by better maneuverability," he notes.

If during the usual procedure of interception the situation changes dramatically and the planes engage in combat, then on the Su-35 side there will be a significant advantage. The fact is that "F-22 mainly relies on its secrecy," explains the publication.

“Ideally, he should impose a fight and end it immediately, and remain unnoticed, but when the fighter is in the field of view of the enemy, he is deprived of stealth advantage,” the article says.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 19 December 2017 11: 20
    11
    Butter, oil .. Stealth and that's it .. And it's bad and good .. belay
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 19 December 2017 11: 23
      11
      Forgot to add that it is also visible when he himself is blind! After all, the su-35 came into his tail ...
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 19 December 2017 11: 29
        30
        The main advantage of ef22 over all planes of the universe is its origin. It is created by mattresses, and they are the best !!!. laughing He is the best because: he is the best !!! wassat
        He's like a cocacola !!! He's like a chewing gum !!! laughing lol wassat
        It can fly to the moon and back !!! You will see everything that he can !!! No, you will not see, it is invisible, but they will tell you all about this !!! wassat
        1. Yngvar
          Yngvar 19 December 2017 11: 59
          +2
          Like in a Soviet joke:
          A native of the Far North who has visited Moscow and tried an orange, they ask what exactly is APELSIN? He replies that it’s like a woman, only sour ...
          1. Going
            Going 19 December 2017 12: 08
            +5
            “Ideally, he should impose the battle and immediately end it, and go unnoticed, but when the fighter is in the field of view of the enemy, he is deprived of the stealth advantage”,

            It’s hard to decrypt lol but don't underestimate it.
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 19 December 2017 19: 15
              +2
              It's like a sniper in the bushes against an infantryman: until a sniper is noticed - he can shoot infantry with impunity.
      2. Shura Perm
        Shura Perm 19 December 2017 11: 29
        +5
        We Serbs 20 years ago proved the worthlessness of stealth technology ...
      3. hrych
        hrych 19 December 2017 12: 04
        +1
        Quote: Crowe
        Forgot to add that it is also visible when he himself is blind! After all, the su-35 came into his tail ...

        So right, turn on your radar and even if the EPR, even if it is not, the poor fellow will light up on the radar screen.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 19 December 2017 13: 05
          +7
          Quote: hrych
          So right, turn on your radar and even if the EPR, even if it is not, the poor fellow will light up on the radar screen.

          It doesn’t matter whether it turns on or off. The lizard is clearly visible in the IR range, and the SU-35 has such a radar. So the pilot of the SU-35, in any case, sees the dinosaur perfectly ...
          1. hrych
            hrych 19 December 2017 13: 47
            +3
            Quote: NEXUS
            So the pilot of the SU-35, in any case, sees the dinosaur perfectly ...

            In general, I will never believe in the EPR of an airplane of 0,0001-0,0002 square meters, when one AFAR, with a radio-transparent fairing, has an area of ​​about a square meter laughing
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 19 December 2017 13: 50
              +5
              Quote: hrych
              In general, I will never believe in the EPR of an airplane of 0,0001-0,0002 square meters, when one AFAR, with a radio-transparent fairing, has an area of ​​about a square meter

              The EPR of the dinosaur is approximately the same as that of the SU-57-0,4 m. This was voiced by our specialists. But the SU-35S has an OLS-35, which allows you to discreetly detect enemy planes, helicopters and drones by the heat of their engines. But the pangolin has no such station, from the word at all.
              The OLS-35 successfully passed the test during the Russian Aerospace Forces operation in Syria, where the latest fighters escorted Russian bombers and attack aircraft, as well as attacking ground targets.
              1. hrych
                hrych 19 December 2017 14: 02
                +3
                Quote: NEXUS
                OLS-35

                Unfortunately, the detection range is 20-30 km, and PFAR sees this reptile for 400 km, the missile is in service with a range of 300 km, soon there will be 400, i.e. as I saw, and ahead ... On the radar screen, that a small EPR, that a large one, looks like a dot. It is identified as a fighter in speed and trajectory. It’s still in Startrek, on the radar you can see the outline of the Klingon ship, but for now only laughing And do not care, the size of 2 square meters EPR or 2 square centimeters, but of course the range will fall. Here Don’s radar sees a ball 5 cm in diameter, generally for 1,5-2 thousand kilometers and nothing. The Americans took the flock of geese for an attack, and the goose, it has a stealth coverage definitely laughing That's it with the Israeli f-35 could not fly apart wassat
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 19 December 2017 14: 10
                  +5
                  Quote: hrych
                  Unfortunately, the detection range is 20-30 km, and PFAR sees this reptile at 400 km

                  No one yet knows at what range the OLS-35 is capable of detecting a target such as a lizard. There are numbers and 30km, and there are all 60-70km. As for Irbis, he sees such targets at 90 km ... at 400 km he sees targets with an ESR of 3 m.
                  But I believe that by the 20th year a serial ROFAR will appear, and then such a target as a lizard or F-35 will be perfectly visible at a distance of up to 500 km.
                2. Simargl
                  Simargl 19 December 2017 14: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: hrych
                  On the radar screen, that small EPR, that big, looks like a dot. It is identified as a fighter in speed and trajectory.
                  .
                  The Americans took the flock of geese for an attack,
                  Well, what is the speed of geese ?!
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 19 December 2017 14: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: Simargl
                    Well, what is the speed of geese ?!

                    Then the radars were simpler, and these lousy geese jumped out from behind a radio horizon and suddenly a jamb, well, whoever was sitting at the remote control could also be under a jamb, they announced an alarm, but the geese did not attack and ended. Yes, actually, was it really wassat It seems like pacifist tales, such things should be under a strict stamp laughing
                    1. Hammerlock
                      Hammerlock 19 December 2017 15: 56
                      +1
                      just like about the Spanish lighthouse and the American aircraft carrier
                      Spaniards (background noise): “... A-853 says, please turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision with us. You are moving right at us, a distance of 25 nautical miles. ”
                      Americans (background noise): “We advise you to turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision with us.”
                      Spaniards: “The answer is no. We repeat, turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision. "
                      Americans (different voice): “The captain of the ship of the United States of America speaks to you. Turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision! ”
                      Spaniards: "We do not consider your proposal either possible or adequate, we advise you to turn 15 degrees south so as not to crash into us."
                      Americans (in elevated tones): “CAPTAIN RICHARD DEYMS HOWARD SAYS WITH YOU, COMMANDER OF THE USS LINCOLN CARRIER, THE NAVY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE SECURITY OF THE SHIP. We are escorted by 2 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 4 submarines and numerous support ships. I DO NOT “ADVISE” YOU, I “ORDER” TO CHANGE YOUR COURSE FOR 15 DEGREES IN THE NORTH. OTHERWISE, WE WILL BE FORCED TO TAKE THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR SHIP. PLEASE IMMEDIATELY REMOVE OUR COURSE !!! ”.
                      Finisterra Strait Lighthouse. (Photo - terresceltes.net) Spaniards (quite calmly): “Juan Manuel Salas Alcantara speaks to you. There are two of us. We are accompanied by our dog, dinner, two bottles of beer and the canary, which is now sleeping. We are supported by the Cadena Dial de la Coruna radio station and channel 106 “Extreme situations at sea”. We are not going to turn anywhere, given that we are on land and so far are only the lighthouse of the A-853 of the Finisterra Strait of the Galician coast of Spain. And one more thing: we do not have the slightest idea what place in size we occupy among the Spanish lighthouses. You can take all of your ... measures that you consider necessary and do whatever you want to ensure the safety of your ... ship, which will soon crash into cliffs. Therefore, we again strongly recommend that you do the most meaningful thing: change your course 15 degrees south! ”
                      Americans: "Ok, accepted, thanks."
                3. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 19 December 2017 16: 32
                  0
                  "On the radar screen, that a small EPR, that a large one, looks like a dot." ////

                  A small EPR will not be on the screen at all. Small points are cut off by software, like interference, noise. Otherwise, the screen will be a salad of dots
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 19 December 2017 18: 30
                    +3
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    A small EPR will not be on the screen at all. Small points are cut off by software, like interference, noise. Otherwise, the screen will be a salad of dots

                    Nobody cuts off anything, a speedy target, a peculiar target, in the air, except for aircraft, only birds at low altitude and clouds with precipitation are loud, among them any metal object looks contrasted. And since the target may be invisible, but it is moving and the Doppler effect again works against, in particular, electronic warfare, based on the shooting of pieces of foil, is precisely selected by movement and the Doppler effect. F-22 works in conjunction with Avax, he sees his eyes and ears, Avax himself, for example, Sentry, sees at a distance of 400 km, which is the preferred target for the Su-35 with Irbis, who sees the same Sentry at 400 km (Raptor not intentionally touch), in short, Drying, with a flick of the wrist, extinguishes the eyes and ears of the Raptor flock with a long-range rocket, with the r-300 missile with 37 km, and the KS-172 with 400 km, i.e. where the radar range of Sentry and Irbis Drying. Further, the Raptors will have to turn on their radars and here they lose invisibility, and yielding to Sushki in all respects, they turn from a pack of Raptors into a herd of Baranov wassat
                    Enlighten:
                    https://topwar.ru/70173-o-nepobedimyh-stelsah.htm
                    l
                    Here is a fun simulation
                    https://pikabu.ru/story/bitva_tekhnologiy_stealth
                    awacs_protiv_supermanevrennostryeb_4173452
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 19 December 2017 18: 44
                      0
                      "F-22 works in conjunction with Avax, he has his eyes and ears," ////

                      Neither F-22 nor F-35 Avaxa is needed. This is one of the great advantages of these
                      airplanes. Any of them can become an Avax for the rest of the pack.
                      So the F-15, F-22, F-35 formations will go into battle without the huge (and vulnerable to long-range explosive missiles) AWACS aircraft.
                      But you have your own special worlds, both economic and military. I will not violate their greatness. fellow
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 19 December 2017 19: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Any of them can become an Avax for the rest of the pack.

                        Any of them will become more short-sighted than Sentry and Irbis, because The radar is bluntly weaker and inferior in detection range, i.e. any leader of the herd automatically becomes not a leader, but a goat provocateur leading rams for slaughter laughing Plus, the over-maneuverability of Sushki, EW, which is also harmful to the Stealth for their invisibility, etc.

                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        But you have your own special worlds, both economic and military. I will not violate their greatness.

                        That's right, get started with the third and last Intifada (God loves the Trinity), the talking bush will bring you great glory laughing
                  2. hrych
                    hrych 19 December 2017 18: 54
                    +2
                    In the Su-35 PFAR, the phased array only accepts, and the separate emitter is very powerful, which gives a phenomenal detection range, so a couple of Sushki can work like an exploded radar system, and this is the death of Stealth, he is fighting precisely with the returned echo signal, and if the emitter and receiver are separated, then that's it. Also targets the ground radar. And most importantly, if the Americans were carried away by stealth technologies, the Russians puzzled how to neutralize this laughing Therefore, the prospect is not very, even based on logic. Using long-range air-to-air missiles, the target must be highlighted and the missile adjusted, Stealth cannot afford it, again based on passivity. In short, passive in life, he is wassat If one way or another, the Raptor is a great achievement in aviation, you need to admit that, albeit a dead end topic, but its smaller f-35, it does not fit into all the parameters of a candle.
                    https://dxdt.ru/2007/12/08/885/
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 19 December 2017 21: 29
                0
                "The ESR of the lizard is approximately the same as that of the SU-57-0,4 m. This was voiced by our specialists." ////

                When they realized that the Su-57 didn’t work out very stealthily, they launched a duck about
                the same EPR F-22. It was very awkward, and more experts did not repeat this. They began to say: "The Su-57 is more radio-visible, but surpasses the Reptor in maneuverability."
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 19 December 2017 21: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  They began to say: "The Su-57 is more radio-visible, but surpasses the Reptor in maneuverability."

                  What evidence do you have that the EPR of a dinosaur is better than that of the SU-57? It is very interesting to listen ... but about the best maneuverability they spoke initially of our car.
                2. Daemonicus
                  Daemonicus 20 December 2017 03: 10
                  0
                  They did not speak, but initially, when designing, they chose what to focus on, even before they were born. The fact that someone came up with it later is their problem.
                  Also with the pack, the stealth is initially laid into the project to the detriment of speed and maneuverability.
      4. Sergey53
        Sergey53 19 December 2017 12: 19
        +5
        Quote: Crowe
        Forgot to add that it is also visible when he himself is blind! After all, the su-35 came into his tail ...

        It is somehow strange to hear that the main drawback of the F-22 is the inability to show what it has in the bomb bay. And so he h about r about sh. Is it that suddenly a gopnik jumped out of the gateway or something? Will it scare or not? And the fact that maneuverability is worse and less missiles, and even secrecy is useless is it any kind of trifle? Cool. Forgot to add one of its cool advantages, I will remind you it is awesome. Saw already tired.
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    3. Chertt
      Chertt 19 December 2017 11: 32
      +2
      The whole article can be put in one line
      "- Even we and the stealth went to bed, and now we don’t know what to do"
      1. Dead duck
        Dead duck 19 December 2017 11: 40
        12
        Quote: Chertt
        "- Even we and the stealth went to bed, and now we don’t know what to do"

        Those who sent them to such an interception crashed.
        This aircraft is not for contact combat. It would be possible to get by with the old F-16 ... or F-18.
        "Thing" initially can not be bad just because it can not be used. yes
        1. Artyom
          Artyom 19 December 2017 14: 06
          +3
          I read this opus and came to the following conclusion:
          1. The author of the article does not petrel in the subject!
          2. This article is a free presentation of what was written earlier by other more intelligent authors. But the person did not want to copy directly, but wanted something personal, then there was stupidity.
          Personally, I realized what the author wanted to write, but could not. Nor would he have made a big discovery. And he wanted to write the following (as I understand it), the F-22 has fewer missiles since it is forced to carry them in the fuselage body, otherwise the stealth mode does not work, and the Su-35 on the drum! The F-22 radar operates in a passive mode and needs to be backlighted by a third-party operator such as OVAKS (does the F-22 radar work in active mode, I am too lazy to watch), the Su-35 on the drum! The F-22 has no thermal imaging sight, the Russians are laughing! And what the author did not mention is the presence of electronic warfare on modern Sukhoi aircraft, which means that even if the Raptor was backlit by OVAX, it would have helped the American a little!
          1. Dead duck
            Dead duck 19 December 2017 19: 29
            +6
            Quote: Artyom
            F-22 has fewer missiles since it is forced to carry them in the fuselage body

            There is an "old tradition" - rocking wings to show rockets (and stuff) under them ... like ate human, I can shoot.
            And F-22 has nothing to show, everything is in the "pants" ... and not the fact that there is something to show laughing
  2. mad
    mad 19 December 2017 11: 25
    +5
    This iksperd completely spoke up:
    F-22 with its stealth technology and impressive maneuverability - This is the most deadly American-made fighter.
    .....
    In addition, the Su-35 can carry more missiles and distinguished by better maneuverability"He notes.
    1. Romulus
      Romulus 19 December 2017 11: 37
      +3
      Quote: mad
      This iksperd completely spoke up:

      Thanks Admins, once again pleased local patriots .. lol
      1. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 19 December 2017 12: 02
        +5
        Quote: Romulus
        once again pleased local patriots

        Once again provoking a desire to "throw hats"!
  3. Dimachrus
    Dimachrus 19 December 2017 11: 25
    +3
    That is in vain PR all these years (in addition to the powerful financial flow)?
    We are waiting for a similar situation with the fu-35. Wangyu - "... in a collision with the Russian ...... .... helmet / stealth / etc. Loses its advantages and interferes more ...."
    1. freejack
      freejack 19 December 2017 11: 55
      +3
      That is in vain PR all these years

      In vain you. A good plane (most likely), only fools got ... negative
  4. Horst78
    Horst78 19 December 2017 11: 32
    +1
    In addition, "Su-35 can carry more missiles on board and is distinguished by better maneuverability," he notes.
    Yes, it turned out unexpected. And why am I not surprised?
  5. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 December 2017 11: 35
    +5
    "but when the fighter is in the field of view of the enemy, it is deprived of the stealth advantage," the article says ////

    Trivial conclusion. When two pilots see each other with their eyes, what is the stealth?
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 19 December 2017 11: 42
      10
      which stealth?
      Which, what? Simple - the American pilot closes his eyes and believes that he is also not visible. If the Americans said that "stealth", then "stealth" and no one has the right to doubt it.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 December 2017 11: 45
        +7
        Why didn’t you add about diapers? For "diapers" get much
        more pluses (to your note wink ).
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 19 December 2017 11: 48
          13
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Why didn’t you add about diapers? For "diapers" get much
          more pluses (to your note wink ).

          Alexey Batkovich, you also forgot to add about serial production of fu 35, a mess. winkPluses would also be provided. wink
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 19 December 2017 12: 07
            +2
            Ek, you faked me! drinks Take away your favorite toy from your child? crying
            1. 79807420129
              79807420129 19 December 2017 12: 10
              +8
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Take away your favorite toy from the child

              In no case Alexei Batkovich drinks hi The Russian military has no habit of taking their toys from the children, they themselves will play on their dryers. drinks hi
        2. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 19 December 2017 11: 50
          +4
          about diapers?

          About diapers is not my style. Wrong address. But the fact that the Americans with their stealth has lifted everyone up is for sure. Hence the irony.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 19 December 2017 12: 08
            +1
            Okay, please accept my apology! drinks
            1. rotmistr60
              rotmistr60 19 December 2017 12: 18
              +1
              Yes, I was not offended, because there was no reason. hi
    2. Yngvar
      Yngvar 19 December 2017 12: 03
      +1
      Give one f-22th poyuzat! You already have them ... Or f-35th ... Let's see what it is "invisible and deadly."
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 December 2017 11: 38
    +2
    ... after all, here’s “zrada” ... well, it’s not a bad thing in the merikatosia ... either the head of the flies beat in the cabins as fittings, then they suffocate, then the latest irons are dragged at the ends .... wassat
    The newest British aircraft carrier has flowed two weeks after commissioning

    ... and here also have friends sadly sad ... wassat
  7. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 19 December 2017 11: 40
    +2
    “The F-22, with its stealth technology and impressive maneuverability, is the most deadly fighter American made.
    How do they zadolby their bloodthirsty eloquence! They have the most mortality, but we have the best.
    because in the event of a rapprochement with another flying object, the F-22 cannot show the weapons on board, because the rockets and bombs are hidden under its skin. "
    That's bad luck! But what about the showmastgowon ?! wassat
    Smart people, on the contrary, would consider this an advantage, since the enemy would not know exactly armed f22 or not.
    1. Don
      Don 19 December 2017 12: 01
      +2
      Quote: x.andvlad
      How do they zadolby their bloodthirsty eloquence! They have the most mortality, but we have the best.

      In fairness, I note that ours are also not particularly modest. Any weapon that has no analogues in the world. Any equipment accepted into the troops is the latest, even if 30-40 years have passed from the moment it was adopted for service. Balabol s hi
      1. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 19 December 2017 12: 20
        +1
        I agree. There is one.
        How to experts without imagination and eloquence?
  8. Steve57
    Steve57 19 December 2017 11: 57
    +1
    F-22 is ineffective as an air defense fighter.
    Like a shock and front-line fighter, this is his element!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 19 December 2017 12: 11
      +1
      Why? In terms of speed and the rest - F-22 can, quite.
      That F-35 is definitely not suitable for interceptors.
      1. misti1973
        misti1973 20 December 2017 00: 01
        0
        So this is not an interceptor, a fighter-bomber! Shift for Super Hornets.
      2. spolo
        spolo 20 December 2017 06: 09
        0
        What is American marketing ahead of all the planet .. From here it is unclear who is the biggest sucker - cheers or victims of American marketing .. stealth .. invisible .. fu 117, fu 35 ..
  9. Alexander War
    Alexander War 19 December 2017 12: 53
    +4
    Unmatched in the world f-22 continues the tradition of invisibility f-117 laughing
    1. spolo
      spolo 20 December 2017 06: 12
      0
      Stopitsot Pros
  10. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 19 December 2017 13: 11
    +1
    Stupid article, stupid conclusions.
    However, in the current conditions, its secrecy does not provide great advantages.

    In what current conditions? When did two planes approach each other at a distance of visual contact? And what does the stealth have to do with it? Stealth - stealth technology in different ranges, but not in the visible, obviously. Naturally, stealth does not help if the pilot wags and releases heat traps in the immediate vicinity of another aircraft, this does not mean that he will act so stupid in real combat conditions.
    1. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 19 December 2017 18: 47
      +3
      Again, I’m wondering: why do many people think that if the Su35 hits the American tail, it means that f22 didn’t "see" it? As far as I understand, the task was to prevent the su25 from working on the target, and without really running into it. The American was trying to do this, well, su35 fell in his tail and what ??? Anyone understands that he will not shoot him down, he will shug the lad. From personal experience, we are similarly intercepted over the Baltic, then our su27 come into the tail of the interceptors, NATO rolls off. At the same time, I am 100% sure that they will be informed either from the ground or through Avax (if it is in the air) that Russian fighters are on their way. And in Syria, a lot of Americans and drones are constantly bartering and e3 circling over Iraq, so I'm sure the f22 pilot was informed in a timely manner that drying in his ass was attached to him.
  11. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 19 December 2017 19: 41
    +1
    ... In a certain sense, the “secrecy” of an American aircraft only interferes: “because in the event of a rapprochement with another flying object, the F-22 cannot show the weapons that it has on board, because missiles and bombs are hidden under its skin,” writes author....
    Iron logic - there is nothing to show)))
    Iksperd, however!))
  12. misti1973
    misti1973 19 December 2017 23: 57
    0
    What the hell should he get close to? They have there DRLO full! Can they shoot from slingshots at each other? Or show faxes?