Russia launches large business projects in Syria

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin today held talks with Syrian Arab Republic President Bashar Assad. One of the topics concerned joint business projects on the territory of the CAP, as well as the use of the Syrian infrastructure for the implementation of plans for the extraction of mineral resources. In particular, preliminary agreements were reached on the extraction of phosphates in Syria by representatives of Russian companies.

Interfax cites the statement of Dmitry Rogozin:

The largest phosphate deposit is located in Syria. This is a very popular product in many countries. This is fertilizer. We agreed with our Syrian colleagues that we are forming a single operator, we are working on the field, on export, on the delivery of this processed phosphate to other countries that are waiting for this product.

According to Rogozin, Syria will provide Russia with the possibility of virtually free use of the main ports of the country. In particular, it is planned to use the Syrian ports as logistics centers for the sale of Russian wheat. It is planned to arrange the supply of wheat through the sea harbors of Syria, both to the SAR itself and to other countries of the Middle East, including Iraq, Lebanon, and possibly Saudi Arabia.

Syrian President Bashar Assad

Rogozin:

It is profitable for us.

Comments

[mih_sergeev92]

In my opinion this is wonderful) here they are, the contracts that our VKS worked out ...

[Maz]

And even better to build a pipe Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia ...

[jjj]

Quote: Maz

And even better to build a pipe Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia ...

And sell gas to the Saudis

[voyaka uh]

Better is oil.

[Tatyana]

Everything will begin with the restoration of oil fields in the SAR! Russia ATS will help in this with its projects and specialists in the restoration of the Syrian oil industry. Everything else is completely in ruins there and the return from restoring the rest will not be in Syria soon!
Therefore, the Syrian economy will begin to recover precisely from oil production and the sale of oil abroad!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Tatiana

Everything else is completely in ruins there and the return from restoring the rest will not be in Syria soon!

It seems like the "ruins" are given to China. Given the huge unemployment, there will be no shortage of labor. So everything should rise quickly enough.

[The Siberian barber]

And better - oil and gas

[skazochnik]

Quote: voyaka uh

Better is oil. laughing

And even better wheat.

[Chertt]

Quote: Maz

Better yet, build a pipe

Only under the control of Russia, not the United States and the Gulf, as planned in the State Department

[Deniska999]

Are you aware of the plans of the State Department?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Deniska999

Are you aware of the plans of the State Department?

Probably only you do not know))). True, taking into account the changes that have occurred over the past two years, their plans for the Middle East are subject to serious adjustment.

[Tatyana]

Russia launches large business projects in Syria

Reasonable! This is to be expected.

[210ox]

Of course! You have to pay for the "roof". Especially for SUCH ...

Quote: Tatiana

Russia launches large business projects in Syria

Reasonable! This is to be expected.

[Gale]

and we were rubbed that all this for the sake of the fight against terrorism "on distant approaches" ...
and then everything turns out ... nothing personal, just business ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: GaLe

and we were rubbed that all this for the sake of the fight against terrorism "on distant approaches" ...
and then everything turns out ... nothing personal, just business ...

Well, you said !!! However, for beginners, users of the "VO" is forgivable so far.
Read carefully all the articles and user comments on the "IN"! Maybe then something will become clear in your head.

The division of the sphere of influence on the far approaches to Russia, which necessarily includes business and national economic interests, in the fight against terrorists is not separable from each other! How can one tear one from the other? Are you proposing that surrender of the victory in Syria over terrorists to accomplices of terrorists - the USA, for example?

[34 region]

Tatyana, 18:03. The comment seems to be true. But there are questions. The war in Syria is a war of business for their interests. The United States fought for its oil and gas share there, Russia tried to prevent competition in the oil and gas market. Both businesses were destroying Syria. Russia either repulsed its share, or agreed with the United States. Russia will be mining there. Is equipment manufactured in Russia? Will we sell oil and purchase equipment in the USA? It turns out that we in Syria played good and evil? And our whole policy is aimed only at selling? Sell ​​everything you can !? The same phosphates can be mined in Russia. How can Russia really help Syria to rebuild? What can she give her? Dollars from her share? And where will Syria spend dollars? Will buy Western products (supporting the West)? Russia, fighting the West, will sell him oil and buy goods from him (also supporting the West). Maybe this whole war was fought in the interests of the West? And Russia is an actor in it (playing in favor of the West) ?! Judging by the news, Russia did not offer Syria any technological production or goods for production. Where will Syria take these goods? Where will they take trucks, buses, tractors, cars ??? Also sell the share of oil and buy all this from the West supporting your strangler ?! It turns out that Russia played with the United States with one goal (USA). In fact, there is no US-Russia confrontation. There is a game in the interests of the United States. Where Russia plays the role of the good.

[Tatyana]

34 region
It turns out that Russia played with the United States with one goal (USA). In fact, there is no US-Russia confrontation.

No way! Everything will work like the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (CMEA) and the Warsaw Pact between the Russian Federation and the SAR.

[34 region]

Tatyana, 19:50. But then loans were given for the purchase of Soviet goods and equipment. What the Union really could not do, it was possible to buy there. Roughly speaking, we give you trucks, you give us sugar and bananas. But then there was a production. And the loan money went to the development of their factories. Such an interest-free loan to the plant for which (for the loan) was paid by foreigners. Something I strongly doubt that such lending to foreign countries is possible today.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Region 34

The United States fought for its oil and gas share there, Russia tried to prevent competition in the oil and gas market. Both businesses were destroying Syria. Russia either repulsed its share, or agreed with the United States.

Not certainly in that way. The United States generally wanted to take control of all energy fields and projects in B. Vostok. Trying to get Russia out of the game, she was “presented” with the problem of urkain and Russian Donbas, which, according to the hegemonic logic, should have dragged Russia into the ground operation in urkain, and Iran decided to pacify it by “sweetening” the lifting of sanctions and the wedding of the daughter of Kerry and the son of the Iranian foreign minister. But it did not grow together - Russia for 4 years urged the mattresses to turn on their heads, end the lawlessness in Syria and agree on the participation of interested players while maintaining the official power of Damascus. But the US was stupidly repeating - "Assad must leave." Realizing that it was only time to talk with the "durik" to waste, the Russian Federation went to Syria in 2015 and in two years did what 60 countries of the American coalition "did" that could not oppose Russia in the end. So now there is no question of a “share" of the USA there at all.

Quote: Region 34

Russia will be mining there. Is equipment manufactured in Russia? Will we sell oil and purchase equipment in the USA?

Oil production in Syria did not stop and under the control of ISIS. All infrastructure and oil production already exists. Yes, something will need to be restored, something modernized, but in general the fields are workers. As for equipment, since 2015, Russia has launched production of its equipment that allows both vertical and directional drilling, which has already been successfully tested at new fields in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug.

Quote: Region 34

And our whole policy is aimed only at selling? Sell ​​everything you can !?

How else? The market is the same! Even the Papuans exchange silicon arrowheads with iron axes. Here, as they say - "Than rich" ...

[34 region]

Nyrobsky, 00:10. The fact that the United States wants complete control over BV is no question. Not necessarily in person. It is possible through ISIS. Apparently for this this movement was created. But it reached us only in Syria. Here is our oil and gas sector and beat off a competitor from this clearing. At the same time, our weapons were well advertised. Our oligarchs were shown that only their army of the Russian Federation can protect their interests. For the release of new equipment, it is doubtful that the release covers the needs. Otherwise, there would be no question of acquiring new oil and gas production technologies. But this is a question for the miners. Somewhere there’s a nasty equipment, somewhere it’s worth the 70s.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Region 34

For the release of new equipment, it is doubtful that the release covers the needs. Otherwise, there would be no question of acquiring new oil and gas production technologies. But this is a question for the miners. Somewhere there’s a nasty equipment, somewhere it’s worth the 70s.

No, it’s just that we don’t have enough capacity yet to cover our needs, and therefore, of course, we have to buy more. And their equipment was replaced instead of ours in the 90s under the control of representatives of Novopynon and General Electric companies.

[bondxnumx]

Do you want Syria to not exist at all? How is Libya today? Would you like your Wahhabis to create their own IG? Contracts Provide Mutual Benefits! How many silly questions you have!

[Mih1974]

"Are you uncle?" (with) Why the hell are you mixing green and square? The war in Syria was inspected - Qatar for a pipe in the EU, the United States to "propagate" terrorists to the level of an entire country and set them on Russia and China through the village of Asia. We entered this war after Syria almost "collapsed" or rather did not become a stronghold of terrorists throughout the territory. After the destruction of the main groupings and the withdrawal of the Syrian army to a level from which it is capable of destroying terrorists more or less, it is possible to start tackling economic issues.
Actually what does not suit you? Here are the points. And then it seems "that mishandled Cossack, you are a nice man" (c) At first, people like you howled “The war in Syria is a loss, it’s better to give out bombs to pensioners,” and now, when mutually beneficial contracts are planned, you started a new song - “we fought for the interests of capital”.
As for me - we have one complete success (military), now we are working on the second (economic) one.
Actually, personally, I would not have been the place of the Government (or rather, the President, because the government only knows how to steal from us) - I organized a strong leasing program, for example, combines from Rosselmash, tractors, and the same oil equipment on credit. Again, fertilizers besides phosphates also are needed (there are good lands there). As I understand it, both civilian aviation - avengers, and helicopter in general, here - you need to push our products even more there. What kind and honey equipment do we have - just "convince" to buy from us. But just don’t shit , only the best and at the world level, so that buyers in Syria buying from us would not spit then and quietly throw them away. By the way - in Syria, you can grow a lot of vegetables and instead of Turkey or the same Israel give them preferences.
In the East, they value not only the Force (they respect it), but also the ability to not “throw out” their Benefit when it is already in your hands.

[34 region]

Mi1974, 04:01. And then Ostap suffered! Is it right that Qatar has organized everything !? Himself !? We entered this war when oil collapsed. When there were more than a hundred bucks, the terrorists did not bother us for some reason. And Syria is far from a stronghold of terrorists. Russia to tackle economic issues in Syria !? Here, Russia with a small Crimea has a lot of problems. And in Syria there was a population of 20 million. Pull or stretch? The economic assistance to Syria is a good thing. I'm all for it. But! What can we offer them to boost the economy ?! To boost the economy, you need to build. Can we offer equipment for the production of cement, concrete, reinforcement, paints? What can we offer for the electric power industry (wires, sockets, switches, PZA), well, purely at the household level. And substations and power transmission towers and just towers? For the construction of buildings and roads. What can we offer? Excavators, bulldozers, truck and tower cranes, pavers and asphalt rollers? In Syria, there was a textile production. What can Russia give for textile production? Looms? And can looms standing before weaving Russia give? Dear friend! Before you star, open your brains. Civil aviation they have bye bye, shipbuilding bye bye! How about in Russia? The crisis of overproduction? Power is valued not only in the East. Power is appreciated all over the world! What forces does Russia have ???

[Dart2027]

Quote: Region 34

We entered this war when oil collapsed. When there were more than a hundred bucks, the terrorists did not bother us for some reason

But only when we joined it, then in Syria was all the necessary infrastructure, which you can’t build in a month.

[210ox]

Something like this. The interests of oil and gas companies have turned into the interests of the entire state. And they realized that there is nowhere else to retreat. The defeat of our diplomacy in Libya is evident and this should not happen anymore ..

Quote: GaLe

and we were rubbed that all this for the sake of the fight against terrorism "on distant approaches" ...
and then everything turns out ... nothing personal, just business ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: GaLe

and we were rubbed that all this for the sake of the fight against terrorism "on distant approaches" ...
and then everything turns out ... nothing personal, just business ...

judging by your thoughts, Russia, after the defeat of the terrorists, was supposed to get out of there and give way to the Americans and their henchmen !!!

[Dart2027]

Quote: GaLe

and we were rubbed that all this for the sake of the fight against terrorism "on distant approaches" ...

Would you like to see Daesh in the Caucasus and Ukraine?

[Pivot]

Have you ever heard the expression: “Combine business with pleasure”?

[ando_bor]

Quote: GaLe

and we were rubbed that all this for the sake of the fight against terrorism "on distant approaches" ...
and then everything turns out ... nothing personal, just business ...

Economy? - Not, not, oil and other good things, we ourselves have a lot, we should soak purely terrorists, rust bombs, and dispose of them.
- so they told you?

[Hagalaz]

Yes, and Syria denyushka as needed! And to strengthen the defense and raise the country from ruins. Yes, and it is beneficial for us that Syria becomes solvent.

[Sergey53]

That's right, for my own work we have done there, I feel not ashamed to receive remuneration. Moreover, we are not going to grab anything.

[MadCat]

Quote: Sergey53

That's right, for my own work we have done there, I feel not ashamed to receive remuneration. Moreover, we are not going to grab anything.

what reward, "loans" on an irrevocable basis for Assad? So already written off 14 billion. dollars

[Sergey53]

About loans, I did not read anything in the article. We even transferred military equipment to them only for cash. It was written earlier in the press, I will not repeat it. They wrote off the remaining debts from the USSR.

[MadCat]

Quote: Sergey53

About loans, I did not read anything in the article. We even transferred military equipment to them only for cash. It was written earlier in the press, I will not repeat it. They wrote off the remaining debts from the USSR.

no "cash", do not joke like that, but the fact that they wrote off is certainly not money, since during the USSR it means candy wrappers were allocated ??? Well, of course, if you “forget” the invested money from Russia ...

[Mih1974]

Well, I already wrote above - that instead of Turkey you can get "tomatoes" from Syria and instead of Izrail "in the winter radish" and citrus fruits.
Mutually beneficial trade.

[axiles100682]

This is the answer for those who can’t understand why we got into Syria, why we spend millions, spend bombs and missiles that could be handed out to pensioners and the poor. In short, any liberal

[Strips]

The main thing is that for some it finally became clear that they were climbing there not for the sake of fighting terror and helping the poor Syrians, but for dividing the spheres of influence.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Tiras

The main thing is that for some it finally became clear that they climbed there not to fight terror and help poor Syrians, but for the sake of dividing the spheres of influence.

Well, you said !!! However, for beginners, users of the "VO" is forgivable so far.
Read carefully all the articles and user comments on the "IN"! Maybe then something will become clear in your head.

The division of the sphere of influence in the fight against terrorists is not separable by themselves! How can one tear one from the other? Are you proposing that surrender of the victory in Syria over terrorists to accomplices of terrorists - the USA, for example?

[Strips]

Quote: Tatiana

Well, you said !!! However, for beginners, users of the "VO" is forgivable so far.

I said exactly what I wanted to say.

Quote: Tatiana

Read carefully all the articles and user comments on the "IN"! Maybe then something will become clear in your head.

I’ll figure it out myself, but thanks for the good advice.

Quote: Tatiana

The division of the sphere of influence in the fight against terrorists is not separable by themselves! How can one tear one from the other?

If it was only about Iraq and the terrorists there, and not about Syria, Russia would not have gone for the sort of thing that it had done in Syria.

Russia ignores Shiite terrorists, since Iran and Hezbollah are beneficial and helped it.
However, Russia does not prevent Israel from fighting Shiite terrorists with Israel.

[Tatyana]

Strips
If it was only about Iraq and the terrorists there, and not about Syria, Russia would not have gone for the sort of thing that it had done in Syria.
Russia ignores Shiite terrorists, since Iran and Hezbollah are beneficial and helped it.
However, Russia does not prevent Israel from fighting Shiite terrorists with Israel.
---------------------------
But Russia did not have an invitation from Israel and other BV countries to fight terrorists. All cooperation between Russia and the ATS in BV was limited to the agreements of Russia with the Assad government in the ATS. And instead of specifics in international politics, you want to plunge Russia into the eclecticism of a general war in the BV. Will not work!

[Overlock]

translation into Russian - for the sake of dough

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Tiras

The main thing is that for some it finally became clear that they were climbing there not for the sake of fighting terror and helping the poor Syrians, but for dividing the spheres of influence.

I doubt it. About the supply of wheat to Iraq - will come out gold, cheaper via Suez to Basra. In Iran - cheaper through the Caspian. About Lebanon - Beirut.
Phosphates are cool, but not those grandmas. Now, if the oil was given to Sechin - a different scenario.

[the most important]

Quote: Krasnodar

Now, if the oil was given to Sechin - a different scenario.

This will be simply the height of bliss !!! for Sechin! he will still be able to buy a yacht ... until Russia sells goods with high added value there will not be a special change in the economy and standard of living.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: the most important

Quote: Krasnodar

Now, if the oil was given to Sechin - a different scenario.

This will be simply the height of bliss !!! for Sechin! he will still be able to buy a yacht ... until Russia sells goods with high added value there will not be a special change in the economy and standard of living.

Do you think that the top management of Rosneft will receive 100% profit from this oil? )))
At the moment, most of the budget with her darling is covered, and for the production of goods with high added value, other things are needed - from tight control over the education system to graduate normal specialists to a guarantee of business security, starting to earn revenues in the region of 120 million rubles a year.

[Strips]

А impact In your opinion, these are only projects, what are described here?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Tiras

А impact In your opinion, these are only projects, what are described here?

No. Influence is people bought and / or dependent on you in the power of the country.

[Strips]

А impact In your opinion, these are only projects, what are described here?

[Bourbon]

Quote: axiles100682

This is the answer for those who can’t understand why we got into Syria,

Quote: axiles100682

missiles that could be handed out to pensioners and the poor.

such as pensioners and the poor will distribute loot from the sale of phosphates

[Piramidon]

Quote: Burbon

Quote: axiles100682

This is the answer for those who can’t understand why we got into Syria,

Quote: axiles100682

missiles that could be handed out to pensioners and the poor.

such as pensioners and the poor will distribute loot from the sale of phosphates

You, just to share everything. To defame Russia and its president, hide behind the care of retirees and sick children.

[Hagalaz]

Sorry, I’m without collision, but: ".... we are spending bombs and missiles that could be handed out to pensioners and the poor.
I understood the essence of your comment, but it sounded funny. I repeat, I'm without a collision
I put a plus.

[Safer]

Yeah, it sounded really funny. Distributing bombs and missiles to the poor is a dubious idea!
And on the topic: it was a matter of time. The only thing that confuses is Israel. The Middle East is their sphere of influence and they certainly will not be happy with our economic presence, they were not happy with the military either, but here it is for you.

[MadCat]

Quote: Safer

And on the topic: it was a matter of time. The only thing that confuses is Israel. The Middle East is their sphere of influence and they certainly will not be happy with our economic presence, they were not happy with the military either, but here it is for you.

but why would it, everyone understands that these "projects" are actually buying officials in order to gain a foothold in the Middle East, to oil the right people. Nobody really thinks about profit

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: MadCat

understand everything perfectly

Speaking for everyone is a very bad habit, and not everyone is sympathetic to this.

Quote: MadCat

in fact, the purchase of officials in order to gain a foothold in the Middle East

What is wrong with the Russian Federation "gaining a foothold in the Middle East"?
How does the supposed “oiling” of someone contradict real projects for the development of the same phosphates, logistics through the Syrian ports, and so on and so forth?
Cam-man-tanters, damn it ... just to blurt out that

[Town Hall]

Quote: Golovan Jack

What is wrong with the Russian Federation "gaining a foothold in the Middle East"?
How does the supposed “oiling” of someone contradict real projects for the development of the same phosphates, logistics through the Syrian ports, and so on and so forth?

There, if someone has a “fat” of some kind, it will be Timchenki / Rotenberg who will be given to plunder all these “riches”.


What power will all these agreements signed by Assad with a “pistol at the temple” have when they leave?


How will the poor Syrians armed almost without exception in the country destroyed by the war look at the plunder of the country's meager wealth by the gentlemen in cork helmets?)

[ando_bor]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Cam-man-tanters, damn it ... just to blurt out that

Someone just blurt out, and someone deliberately crap, and most of them, I think,
- a hybrid war, its information component.
- Ukrainian trolls for State Department money spoiled the entire Russian-speaking network, including the VO commentary tape.

[79807420129]

Quote: axiles100682

we spend bombs and missiles that could be handed out to pensioners and the poor. In short, any liberal

Sorry Colleague, although I’m not the poorest, but I’m a senior citizen, don’t tell me where and when they will give us rockets or bombs And by chance I would like a delivery vehicle too, well, you never know whether there will be a neighbor in the country

[Overlock]

the film remembered, “Voroshilovsky shooter.” If you replace the rifle with a rocket, then how could the film be called, “Voroshilovsky rocket?”

[opuonmed]

dk che vain country saved them time and dividends to hem)

[Overlock]

I understand that everything is arranged at home and everything is built, you can help friends

[Chertt]

At least one such comment should be required,

[Overlock]

Quote: axiles100682

why we got into Syria, why we spend millions, we spend bombs and missiles that could be handed out to pensioners and the poor.

what for?????

[Volodin]

Yes Yes. The “logic” is understandable — not to go anywhere, to throw the Crimea, only then will we live. Many people sang like that in 90.

They didn’t get anywhere, nowhere at all, God forgive me, "set up" the country - they eventually got to us. Does the word "Chechnya" mean anything to you? Budennovsk, Kizlyar? ..

[Gardamir]

Crimea, Chechnya "Budennovsk, Kizlyar?

You know some names. Now tell us about the Donbass.

[Volodin]

And what do you tell? If you have THAT to tell, - tell - I will listen with pleasure. If you have nothing to say, but you want to help the Donbass militarily-a rifle in hand, and go ahead. No rifle, do not know how to use it - help Donbass financially.

[Gardamir]

tell me

about the rifle and in the Donbass. Another example and science to all. How many commanders were eliminated in peacetime?
However, it seems you mean something else. The question was why did you get into Syria? You said that you don’t have to leave anyone, so can we support the Donbass? It will not be worse. The sanctions were imposed, Kolya repented, the athletes raised a white flag. Maybe it’s time to abandon liberalism as a state ideology. Just do not tell me about the constitution. Power does not comply with the basic law.
And why should I support Zakharchenko financially?

[Chertt]

Quote: Overlock

what for?????

Chu, but you do not understand. So that you would grumble

[Strips]

Maybe they can recapture the 10 billion projects that have forgiven Assad.

[Overlock]

How much is in Syria:
--3,5 million rubles. for a one-hour sortie
-When using six to eight suspension points on each aircraft (full ammunition), the cost of ammunition consumed per flight of the Su-25, Su-24 or Su-34 will be no more than 500 thousand rubles.
- the cost of one launch of the Caliber rocket ($ 2 million) . Korotchenko believes that the cost of the Caliber is still significantly lower than the Tomahawk and amounts to approximately $ 750–900 thousand per launch.
A strike by cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea on the territories of Syrian rebels could cost the budget in the amount of $ 20 million to $ 60 million (from 1,25 billion to 3,75 billion rubles).


why grandmother such a lot of money will die anyway

[Astoria]

1) I do not think that in Russia there are decent pensions;
2) for 2016, 42729 thousand people were in the pension accounting system
1083 * 10 ^ 6 * 48 weeks / 42729 * 10 ^ 3 = + -1216 rubles a year or 100 rubles a month - do you really think 100 rubles a month will change something for a pensioner.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Overlock

why grandmother such a lot of money will die anyway

you one grandmother was going to give it all ???? but seriously, at least study the topic to talk here ... with regards to pensioners, the amount will be worth considering when the estimates will be at least in the region of a trillion rubles !!!

[Dart2027]

Quote: Overlock

How much is in Syria

And how much did the liberals cost us?

[Overlock]

Are you talking about this liberal? How much does it cost?
I know you don’t answer. I understand. how about the king

[Dart2027]

Quote: Overlock

Are you talking about this liberal?

About it here.

About those who in the 90s shouted how much the army cost us

[Overlock]

you won’t understand: you curse the liberals and cite the successes of the liberal government as an example. You decide who you are: for the liberals or against them? And then as in the hole ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Overlock

You decide who you are: for the liberals or against them

And you will determine for starters that, in your opinion, there is a "liberal" and "liberal."
And then for the last couple of years this word (as an abusive one only) is used to poking around, wherever it gets.
Like the word legitimacy, by the way

[Overlock]

Quote: Golovan Jack

there is a "liberal" and a "liberal".

there is a difference? enlighten!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Overlock

there is a difference? enlighten!

You, an hour, will not be of God's chosen?
For those on an armored car: The question was originally for you:

Quote: Golovan Jack

And you will determine for starters that, in your opinion, there is a "liberal" and "liberal."
And then for the last couple of years this word (as an abusive one only) is used to poking around, wherever it gets.

Define the meaning of the term; without this, a conversation about anything turns out.
Or do you need it exactly?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Overlock

You decide who you are: for the liberals or against them?

And you decide Putin is a liberal or not. And then he is in fact "darkest" with us.

[Overlock]

ask Putin or a spokesperson. If you raise your eyes above laziness

[Dart2027]

Quote: Overlock

ask Putin

For you, the news is that politicians say what they have to say? For example, Putin himself speaks of the United States as "partners."

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Dart2027

About those who in the 90s shouted how much the army cost us

sick of these pictures

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Stroporez

sick of these pictures

Should drink less and what's wrong with the picture, dear?
And why is it much worse than those agitation that you here to the place and out of place rush about?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Golovan Jack

You need to drink less and what is wrong with the picture, dear?

She is out of date. There, for example, it is written that they won the Olympics. And judging by the latest data - we won nothing.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And judging by the latest data ...

Ahem ... and it really is
Well, not the biggest loss, IMHO.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Stroporez

sick of these pictures

And what is wrong there?

[rpuropuu]

Quote: Tiras

The main thing is that for some it finally became clear that they were climbing there not for the sake of fighting terror and helping the poor Syrians, but for dividing the spheres of influence.

For example, the Russian Federation did not climb into Iraq, but there are deposits controlled by Lukoil The country is destroyed, the ATS is forced to seek help and offered what it has left - logistics and natural resources . These are still jobs and transit revenues.

[Strips]

Quote: rpuropuu

For example, the Russian Federation did not climb into Iraq, but there are deposits controlled by Lukoil

And this is beautiful and, by the way, apparently, the answer to those who say that the Americans climbed into Iraq for oil.

Russia saved the life of Assad and his power. In Iraq, the situation is of a different type.

Quote: rpuropuu

The country is destroyed, the ATS is forced to seek help and offered what it has left - logistics and natural resources. These are still jobs and transit revenues.

Yes, here it’s clear. Of course, after such assistance from Russia, to offer others such projects would be just a spit in the face of Russia.

Moreover, not only did they save his power and himself, but they also forgave great debts, and he still owes part.

[rpuropuu]

Quote: Overlock

How much is in Syria:
--3,5 million rubles. for a one-hour sortie
-When using six to eight suspension points on each aircraft (full ammunition), the cost of ammunition consumed per flight of the Su-25, Su-24 or Su-34 will be no more than 500 thousand rubles.
- the cost of one launch of the Caliber rocket ($ 2 million) . Korotchenko believes that the cost of the Caliber is still significantly lower than the Tomahawk and amounts to approximately $ 750–900 thousand per launch.
A strike by cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea on the territories of Syrian rebels could cost the budget in the amount of $ 20 million to $ 60 million (from 1,25 billion to 3,75 billion rubles).


why grandmother such a lot of money will die anyway

I heard somewhere about contacts for 20 billion, this time. And about the cost, then I think the cost of launching in Syria is equal to the cost of starting up Kapustin Yar . Consequently, the operation in Syria rose no more than the serious exercises of the Russian Armed Forces in its own territory.

[Overlock]

Modern Russia cannot afford a war of ideological principles, as the USSR did, so the operation of our air forces is a preventive measure aimed at combating terrorist threats and protecting Russia's economic interests. And in the Syrian operation there are several aspects at once, directly or indirectly related to the economy.
Savings on deterring terrorists
According to the General Staff of the Armed Forces, our VKS for the year since the start of the operation in Syria destroyed about 35 militants. Considering that the length of the Russian borders in the Caucasus is 000 km plus the territories of the CSTO allies, in order to ensure security and deter a comparable number of terrorists, Russia would have to deploy one or two combined arms armies in the Southern Federal District (including Crimea), i.e. from 1254 to 70 personnel and the corresponding amount of equipment. In this case, budget expenditures could increase by 000-120 billion rubles a year.
For comparison, our group in Syria totals about 4000 military personnel and 70 aircraft and helicopters, which makes up only 2% of Russian combat aircraft. Even if we agree with an estimate of 58 billion rubles, it is still the most effective Russian military campaign for many decades.
Assistance to the oil and gas sector
Prior to the Syrian conflict, there were plans for strategic inter-Arab energy cooperation involving Turkey and the European Union. The transit of oil and gas through pipelines through Syria to terminals on the Mediterranean coast seemed to Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Iraq to be safer and more economical than the sea route from the Persian Gulf through the Aden, Red Sea and Suez Canal, so at the beginning The 2000s saw the adoption of a comprehensive “Strategy 2025” for the creation of pipeline and road communications, including in Syria.
But pretty soon contradictions appeared between Saudi Arabia and Qatar on the one hand, and Iran and Iraq on the other. Qatar and Iran are also sharing the largest North / South Pars field, which contains 28 trillion cubic meters of gas and 7 billion tons of oil, for two. Religious contradictions between Sunnis and Shiites play an important role in the Middle East, and Bashar al-Assad chose to sign agreements with Shiite Iran and Iraq, where the power is also in the hands of Shiites.
The Sunni monarchies hoped to replay the situation with the pipelines in their favor, eliminating Assad with the hands of armed Sunni groups, such as ISIS banned in Russia and the Al-Nusra Front, or those called the "moderate opposition" in the media. Numerous victims among the population of Syria and the genocide of the Gentiles did not bother anyone. Let us recall the words of Karl Marx that “with 300 percent profit, there is no such crime that capital would not dare”.
Now a third of the energy consumed by the EU countries comes from Russia, and most of Central and Southeast Europe uses only Russian gas, while there simply is no other. If it were not for such dependence on oil and gas supplies, then Western sanctions against Russia would now be much tougher and would resemble the Iranian option with freezing accounts and the embargo on trade and technology. By the way, Iran’s annual losses from sanctions were estimated at 12% of the country's nominal GDP.
Given that gas negotiations between Qatar and Ukraine have been ongoing since 2012, if the Sunni groups in Syria won, Qatari gas could pass through Syria to Turkey, and then connect the Black Sea pipelines with the existing gas transmission system of Ukraine, through which the Soviet one for decades, and then Russian gas is supplied to Europe. A similar route could be taken by Saudi oil in addition to potential terminals in Latakia. And it is very good that Russia and Turkey in 2016 managed to normalize relations.
Export of Russian oil to Europe is 160-170 million tons per year. Gazprom's net revenue from gas sales to Europe in 2015 amounted to 2,16 trillion rubles. Having lost half of the European hydrocarbon market, the Russian economy would have felt a powerful blow, and the decline in GDP, taking into account severe sanctions, could have amounted not to 3,7%, but 12% (as in Iran), that is, 9,6 trillion rubles in nominal terms, about dollar exchange rate could not reason. And again, this is comparable to the conditional estimate of 58 billion rubles spent on the operation of our air forces in Syria.
Defense industry development
The openness of the Ministry of Defense in covering the actions of our equipment and military personnel in Syria allows us to daily demonstrate the effectiveness of real combat use of not only the latest Su-35S, but also time-tested Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-30SM, attack helicopters Mi-24, Mi-28 and Ka-52, as well as related weapons and ammunition. It sounds a little cynical, but the world constantly sees a kind of report on the work of the "aerospace salon."
According to the data of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, published in mid-October 2016, the portfolio of export arms orders of Russia is $ 52 billion, and by the end of 2016, Russia will sell arms worth $ 15 billion. And this, among other things, thousands of jobs in Russian enterprises, the ability to conduct research and development, including basic research and development in the field of high technology, which is so lacking in our economy.
Export Assurance
In 2016, Russia took first place in the world in grain exports (about 40 million tons), ahead of the United States and Canada in this indicator. The export of oil and oil products through the Black Sea terminals exceeds 60 million tons per year, and the total cargo turnover of the ports of the Azov-Black Sea Basin is approximately 220 million tons per year, the Novorossiysk Sea Port alone has a carrying capacity of 152 million tons of cargo, and there is not only Russian grain there , coal and oil, but also Kazakh, Azerbaijani and Turkmen oil. Most exports go from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean via the Bosporus and Dardanelles.
The permanent naval base in Syrian Tartus and the control of the Southeastern Mediterranean Sea by Russian Navy ships is the best guarantee of the security of hundreds of millions of tons of Russian export deliveries, and not the Montreux Convention on the status of straits, which was already violated by the Americans (and the Turkish side that missed them) ) in 2008 and 2014.
Alexander Losev,
General Director of UK Sputnik - Money Management

[Krasnodar]

If 35000 guerilla fighters from the air are actually destroyed, that’s very cool.

[Overlock]

98 thousand sorties were carried out, 35 thousand militants were destroyed. 2, 5 action movie for the departure?

[Overlock]

1 hour of flight 3.5 million rubles + 0,5 million bombs and missiles = 4 million
It turns out 1 action movie = 2 million rubles

[Vadim237]

It’s that for one flight they burn fuel for 3,5 million rubles — a ton of kerosene costs 35000 rubles. This is the price for the departure of at least four aircraft, and the ammunition can not be considered - 80 percent, this is the 90th year of release.

[Overlock]

RBC has calculations for each position. took from there. The calculations are approximate, I believe that many expense items are classified

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Overlock

at RBC

And where did you get such a love for muddy springs? Either you CEPR, then RBC ...
Have you tried to take data from the fence?

[rpuropuu]

Quote: Tiras

Maybe they can recapture the 10 billion projects that have forgiven Assad.

Don't tell it to anyone Many people think that debts are simply written off.

[Overlock]

Yuri Goryainov from the "depressed" (as he himself writes) of the city of Ivanovo sent an angry response letter to the editorial office of NI:
"Yesterday I watched the news on one of the TV channels. A correspondent in a helmet and body armor was broadcasting from a hospital in which everyone who wished Arabs was treated. Children with burns, women with wounds from mines and shells ... And among them - a woman who is successfully being treated for asthma. ”Free, free, well, absolutely free!” the correspondent enthusiastically repeated the magical “free” ten times in the three minutes of the report! I watched and shed tears of such joy. But not from joy, but from going to the pharmacy. Because I He is also a “severe” asthmatic. 59 years old. I work as best I can for 14 thousand rubles a month. Of these, I give at least six thousand for medications. I bought a pack of 10 tablets of Singular (montelukast) yesterday for 1290 rubles. Three packages are needed for a month. Symbicort inhalation powder (turbuhaler) costs 2599 rubles (lasts 40 days), the Atrovent inhaler is the cheapest of the daily “trinity” - 298 rubles 50 kopecks ... If you add housing and communal services to these expenses (5 thousand for a kopeck piece), then horns and legs remain for life (chicken boiled and pork at best).
Another correspondent repeated three times that "free assistance to the Syrians is provided because they have no money."
Nice man in a helmet and a microphone! We have no money here either! Ali you do not know? Why does the state have medicines and money for Arabs for them, but not for their Russians?
And at whose expense is there a massive distribution of free medicines? If at the expense of the budget of the Ministry of Defense, then let the military - in the order of humanitarian aid - at least once a quarter I will share the "surplus" of drugs with us. poor Russians, and those that remain will be transferred to Aleppo or Damascus. "

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

As you yourself said, the main assistance is provided to people with burns, wounds from mines and shells, as well as to a woman (alone?) With asthma. Is it really not clear that military doctors, like other military personnel, also need combat experience, that is, the experience of treating gunshot, mine-blasting and other injuries, which we do not have so many in Russia (Thank God!). It’s better they get experience on the Syrians than on us. And the fact that any report from Syria is also propaganda is not for me to explain to you.

[Muvka]

They also give them food free of charge. Let him get it on this topic. A person does not know what humanitarian aid is. And if it seems to him that there is better than ours, let him go to Syria to live. There he will receive free products and medical assistance. But I strongly doubt that he will want this hell.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Muvka

They also give them food free of charge. Let him get it on this topic. A person does not know what humanitarian aid is. And if it seems to him that there is better than ours, let him go to Syria to live. There he will receive free products and medical assistance. But I strongly doubt that he will want this hell.

It is not about who is worse, but about the fact that assistance in Syria is being provided with money from Russian taxpayers, including its money.
Analogy - you spend family savings on an operation abroad for someone else’s child when your children cannot be provided with three meals a day.

[Overlock]

In your opinion, let our people die, but will we help the Syrians?

[Overlock]

I didn’t say it, it was said by an asthma patient from Ivanovo. Have you seen choking people when your eyes get out of their sockets, when your face turns red and turns blue? And all because of the lack of a bronchodilator, for which he has no money

[Overlock]

Quote: rpuropuu

serious exercises of the RF Armed Forces in its own territory.

lasting 27 months? Are you sure?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Overlock

lasting 27 months?

In fact, in a normal state of affairs, the army should deal with this almost continuously. Teachings.

[Overlock]

Quote: Greenwood

resort country, sharpened purely for Russian tourists

and where to put Crimea?

[Greenwood]

Well, the presence of Crimea does not prevent Russo-tourists from traveling to Turkey on an all-inclusive basis.

[Overlock]

and if they also go to Syria! Crimea will not be empty Russo tourist!
The possible discovery of Egypt has already brought down the direction of tourists to the Crimea.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Overlock

and if they also go to Syria! Crimea will not be empty Russo tourist!
The possible discovery of Egypt has already brought down the direction of tourists to the Crimea.

Tourists will go to Syria only guys from the Cheka Utkina.

[MadCat]

Quote: Overlock

and if they also go to Syria! Crimea will not be empty Russo tourist!
The possible discovery of Egypt has already brought down the direction of tourists to the Crimea.

this is what kind of extreme head sick you need to be in order to go to Syria as a tourist?

[Astoria]

Crimea cannot be empty by definition - in the Russian Federation there is no small stratum of citizens, due to work in the civil service, travel abroad is prohibited.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Astoria

Crimea cannot be empty by definition - in the Russian Federation there is no small stratum of citizens, due to work in the civil service, travel abroad is prohibited.

These in Sochi, Anapa and Gelendzhik rest. In Crimea, more than once, few people travel.

[rpuropuu]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: rpuropuu

serious exercises of the RF Armed Forces in its own territory.

lasting 27 months? Are you sure?

In a State with an armed forces of more than 1 million troops and a territory of more than 17 million square kilometers, they should go by default without interruption At the expense of Grandmothers I will say this, the contracts received after this operation were loaded with orders from military enterprises. thus, these same grandmothers are guaranteed to receive a pension. Since modern retirees are paid by existing workers

[Overlock]

pay well?

[alien308]

I heard Syrian phosphorites are highly radioactive. Does anyone have any info?

[MadCat]

sawed another 14 billion dollars and write off, not the first time.

[fa2998]

Quote: Overlock

I understand that everything is arranged at home and everything is built, you can help friends

Well, yes, all on credit, all for Russian money. Syria has a lot of money! Of course, everything will pay off only when? And when will we restore the Russian economy? Moreover, these contracts are associated only with Assad, he will leave the debt to forgive. Won Kiev, Yanukovych 3 billion bucks given, well, where's the profit? Only figs show!

[Anyone]

Quote: Maz

And even better to build a pipe Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia ...

Do you suggest looping? )))

[CAT BAIYUN]

Oh .. Now a crowd of trollins will run up and start telling about the fact that Russia actually waged a war for these projects.
Well, the liberals are not aware that some may fight and support someone "not for what", but "because" ....
And contracts in Syria - yes, that's great! We got them and did not kill the civilian population as the "striped dogs" do.
Syrians are grateful.
From the point of view of all liberalism, probably, it was necessary to refuse and not to do it, to let the "striped dogs" go there .. Why work? Shouting that everything is bad is so nice and relaxed!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: KOT BYUN

Oh .. Now the crowd of trollins run

Everything was already - ran. Not that the crowd would be ... but crowded, demons.

Quote: KOT BYUN

Shouting that everything is bad is so nice and relaxed!

Nevertheless, they are slightly tensed - they have to roll out at least some semblance of arguments. Yes, and there were fewer squeals - we switched to an insinuating, confidential tone, trying to look adequate ... But this does not change the essence - they are still enough, and they are among us.

[CAT BAIYUN]

Still, slightly tense

Well, yes ... Let them strain .... Maybe some "stone flower" with a characteristic smell and squeeze out of themselves ...
On the other hand ... Do not be .amna, who would know what is jam?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: KOT BYUN

Do not be .amna, who would know what is jam?

Yeah, as in a joke: "He told you that it was amno, and you: sugared, sugared ..."

[Overlock]

Quote: KOT BYUN

that some can fight and support someone "not for what", but "because" ..

equip the house and fight at least until the blue

[CAT BAIYUN]

Do not yell. It does not interfere.

[Overlock]

what are you saying? The army is already self-supporting? Produces material values? Do you produce kerosene yourself? If it arrives somewhere, then it decreases somewhere.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Overlock

arrange the house

And we are equipping. Including where our interests are.

[Overlock]

what are you saying?
From 2000 to 2015, the number of hospitals in Russia was halved - from 10,7 to 5,4 thousand; the number of hospital beds available to the population fell by a third, to 1,2 million, and in rural areas - by 40%, experts from the Center for Economic and Political Reforms (CEPR) calculated. According to their calculations, if the "optimization" of healthcare in the country continues at the same rate (that is, an average of 353 hospitals will be closed per year), then by 2021-22 the number of medical facilities in the country will fall to 3 thousand - that is, the level of the Russian Empire in 1913.
Russians began to die more often at home, experts in the Health Monitoring Foundation said in a report. The authors of the study relied on data provided by the regions to the Ministry of Health (Ministry of Health).

If in 2014 910 thousand people died at home, then in 2015 - 960 thousand (an increase of 5,5%). Mortality at home increased in 37 regions, recorded in the fund.

The maximum growth is observed in St. Petersburg, where the mortality rate increased by 18 times - from 1,4 thousand in 2014 to 26,6 thousand people in 2015. The St. Petersburg Health Committee did not respond to a request from RBC. Nine other regions showed sharp growth: Novgorod Region (161%), Leningrad Region (153%), Volgograd Region (75%), Moscow (72%), Vladimir Region (38%), Jewish Autonomous Region (27%), Nenets Autonomous Okrug (23%), Kursk Oblast (21%) and Vologda Oblast (15%).


For such successes, it’s time to put it to the wall.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Overlock

experts calculated Center for Economic and Political Reforms (CEP)

CEPR launched on its website a project for the Communist Party "Map of Protests." Also, the CEPR regularly publishes studies for the Communist Party on acutely social topics.

The guys are strictly working for the Communist Party. Who orders the music ... that kind of music comes out.

The Board of Trustees of the Fund includes State Duma deputy, film director Vladimir Bortko, State Duma deputy, First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Communist Party Valery Rashkin, economist, publicist, member of the IEF program committee Yuri Boldyrev, director of Lenin State Farm CJSC Pavel Grudinin...

Are you sure of the reliability of all these calculations? Especially before the election?

I somehow ... slightly doubt it.
PS: In my city, not a single hospital was closed.
In the central city - there is a mega repair, the chambers (now eight-seater) are split in half, each chamber will have its own, sorry, toilet (2 toilets per floor, as it is now - not too convenient. I lay there, I know.)
That's what I see, then I sing ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Overlock

what are you saying?

I’ve somehow never met a single closed hospital, but in your opinion there should be a dime a dozen.

Quote: Overlock

Russians began to die more often at home

And what is the reason for this? People die from various reasons, for example, one of my colleagues died in the train - he went to the cottage after work, did not feel anything like that, and his heart sank.

[CAT BAIYUN]

There is nothing to whine. Nobody will work for you. So: go and work, and do not dissolve the snot.

[Overlock]

snot you dissolves. And diminish the mentor’s tone, you’ll get off the smart one, otherwise the impression is .....

[CAT BAIYUN]

Do not tell me what to do and I will not tell you where to go together with all your impressions ... Although it would be worth it ...
Good luck whiners!

[NF68]

Why not do something like this?

[colorado]

Russians will always come for their

[S_Baykala]

Quote: GaLe

and we were rubbed that all this for the sake of the fight against terrorism "on distant approaches" ...
and then everything turns out ... nothing personal, just business ...

It does not interfere. We live on planet Earth, in our world, unfortunately (or fortunately, hz). It is this news that I do not approve of (I approve, where would I go without it), but, most importantly: so that ours is remembered and not forgotten - any good deed turns into the worst evil if you remind and poke it about it too often (good deed ) in the eyes. Freebie
Rogozin:
It is profitable for us.
corrupts. And turns yesterday's friends and saviors into (with the help of well-wishers) worst enemies.

[Kent0001]

And when will Russia begin to implement business projects in Russia?

[Valery Saitov]

The war in a new form is mainly happening for resources, something no one needs Sahara yet.

[Overlock]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Have not tried to take data from the fence

really? Do you like VTsIOM and newspaper ratings?
Why is your VTsIOM better or worse than RBC? Or live by training manual?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Overlock

really?

Exactly. They are no worse there, I assure you.

Quote: Overlock

Do you like VTsIOM and newspaper ratings?

For me, a “rating” is something that I either see with my own eyes or learn from friends and acquaintances.
I have a wide circle of acquaintances, believe me
Leave a "training manual" and other frenzy ... go to the toilet with her, nakraynyak

[Overlock]

Quote: Dart2027

I’ve somehow never met a single closed hospital, but in your opinion there should be a dime a dozen.

it means you do not live in Russia, do not go beyond an apartment or a mansion

[Dart2027]

Quote: Overlock

then you do not live in Russia

Where do you live? For example, human rights activists in Syria, for some reason live in London.

[Overlock]

Quote: Golovan Jack

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Golovan Jack Today, 10:44 ↑ New
Quote: Overlock
really?

Exactly. They are no worse there, I assure you.
Quote: Overlock
Do you like VTsIOM and newspaper ratings?

For me, a “rating” is something that I either see with my own eyes or learn from friends and acquaintances.
I have a wide circle of acquaintances, believe yes
Leave a "training manual" and other frenzy ... go to the toilet with her, laughing at the end

and I have the same opinion. We just live among different people. I am among the common people, and soar above the earth. This does not give you the right to be rude, use an inappropriate tone for your interlocutor. It is possible and ethmoid can earn from an excess of unrealized secret

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Overlock

We just live among different people. I am among the common people, and soar above the earth

How do you know where I "soar"?
The circle of people with whom I communicate is quite “earthly” - from the head of the IT department (a wonderful guy, by the way), through pensioners (including military men), production workers, free truckers, cashiers in Ataka to marginals, collecting beer cans for a wind-up and just homeless people.
If this is not “ordinary people," then I am a telephone box.
Yes, among my acquaintances there is not a single deputy, alligarh and fan of any of the parties of the Russian Federation (that is, all, even the homeless, are sane people).

Quote: Overlock

This does not give you the right to be rude, use an inappropriate tone for the interlocutor

Are you talking about a training manual? So nefig substitute ...
Okay, over ... you understand

[Overlock]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Okay, over ... you understand

mutually. Arguing with a stupid person is like playing chess with a dove

[Overlock]

Quote: KOT BYUN

Do not tell me what to do and I will not tell you where to go together with all your impressions ... Although it would be worth it ...

where did I personally tell you something? But education does not allow you to send you on an erotic journey, but you should