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Polish Prime Minister: Nord Stream-2 will kill Ukraine

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The head of the Polish Cabinet of Ministers, Mateusz Moravetsky, who took office exactly a week ago, commented on the project to implement the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline. According to the Prime Minister of Poland, if the joint venture 2 is fully implemented, it will be “fatal for Ukraine.”


In the interview radio stations The city of Szczecin Moravetsky stated literally the following:
We believe that Nord Stream 2 is a harmful project from the point of view of security in Central Europe. In general, it can be fatal, deadly for our eastern neighbor, Ukraine.


Polish Prime Minister: Nord Stream-2 will kill Ukraine


According to Moravetsky, the joint venture 2 will more closely link Germany and Russia and will allow "to dictate the pricing policy for Poland." In addition, the Polish prime minister said that if Ukraine is taken out of gas transit, for Russia it will become an additional tool “to destabilize.”

Recall that at the moment the implementation of the project of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline has met with opposition from Denmark, in the territorial waters of which one of its final sections must pass. At the same time, the United States is putting pressure on Denmark, stating that it should put an insurmountable barrier for the implementation of the joint venture 2.
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  1. Vend
    Vend 18 December 2017 15: 58 New
    28
    2 Nord Stream will not kill Ukraine, but those who wanted to make money on the Ukrainian GTS.
    1. svp67
      svp67 18 December 2017 16: 02 New
      +9
      Quote: Wend
      2 Nord Stream will not kill Ukraine, but those who wanted to make money on the Ukrainian GTS.

      Well, Poland then spins as it can. Here's an expensive LNG from the USA to Ukraine sold, well, brotherly ... repeat
      1. 210ox
        210ox 18 December 2017 16: 27 New
        10
        From the USA? Why from there, when there is nearby. Yes, and the money doesn’t smell .. According to some sources, this is Russian LNG.
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Wend
        2 Nord Stream will not kill Ukraine, but those who wanted to make money on the Ukrainian GTS.

        Well, Poland then spins as it can. Here's an expensive LNG from the USA to Ukraine sold, well, brotherly ... repeat
        1. svp67
          svp67 18 December 2017 16: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: 210ox
          From the USA? Why from there, when there is nearby. Yes, and the money doesn’t smell .. According to some sources, this is Russian LNG.

          Everything can be, the main thing is that the PRICE as for the American ...
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 18 December 2017 16: 38 New
            +7
            Quote: svp67
            Everything can be, the main thing is that the PRICE as for the American ...


            So Ukraine wanted in a European way

            It is the Germans and the Austrians sometimes forget that they are Europe, and they want the wrong but profitable gas from Russia
            1. The black
              The black 18 December 2017 16: 51 New
              +6
              So why should they be afraid? There will be cheap American gas to gouge. In vain did they build a terminal? wassat
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 18 December 2017 17: 08 New
                +7
                Something about the new Prime Minister of Poland Moravecki with logic is not entirely all right.
                On the one hand, he states that
                We believe that Nord Stream 2 - This is a project harmful from the point of view of security in Central Europe. He generally can be fatal, murderous for our eastern neighbor - Ukraine.
                And on the other hand, according to the same Moravetsky
                SP-2 will more closely connect Germany and Russia and will “dictate pricing policy for Poland”
                So who is more important for Poland - Poland or Ukraine? It seems that Poland, with its priority aspirations for leadership among the EU countries, is only hiding behind Ukraine and hiding its own experimental intentions against the countries of Central Europe - the same Germany.
                In other words, Poland is just manipulating Central Europe on its own, and including Ukraine.
                1. dSK
                  dSK 18 December 2017 18: 04 New
                  +4
                  Hello Tatyana Fedorovna!
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Poland is just ....manipulates Central Europe
                  In Poland, even after the “big outcome”, the greatest concentration of Jews in Europe, they have “hereditary”.
                2. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 18 December 2017 23: 07 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  So who is more important for Poland - Poland or Ukraine?

                  Obviously, Poland. However, having a common border, the Poles estimate how much more the standard of living of ordinary “Urkainians” can fall if the loss of transit cuts the revenues of the juntiks' budget by $ 2 billion. Against the background of the fact that for 2018-2020 the junta government should take almost all the money from the “panda winners” in order to pay part of the IMF debt, the Poles are afraid of an unprecedented influx of Urkaian “zrobichans” who agree to any job just for shelter and food. And of course, you’re right that Poland is trying to pull on a hat of “Resal” against Germany, for which it will soon be beaten by the entire European Union because they understand that Poland is simply an instrument in the hands of the United States, which is used both against the Russian Federation and against the EU.
                3. tractor driver
                  tractor driver 19 December 2017 00: 07 New
                  +2

                  I what? I'm nothing! This is not heard to him.
                  ... hiding behind Ukraine ...
              2. svp67
                svp67 18 December 2017 17: 19 New
                +3
                Quote: Black
                There will be cheap American gas to gouge.

                Here the word CHEAP, it is necessary to take in quotation marks, even twice ... since its price is almost as much and higher than ours "out of the pipe"
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        2. Vend
          Vend 19 December 2017 10: 14 New
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          From the USA? Why from there, when there is nearby. Yes, and the money doesn’t smell .. According to some sources, this is Russian LNG.
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Wend
          2 Nord Stream will not kill Ukraine, but those who wanted to make money on the Ukrainian GTS.

          Well, Poland then spins as it can. Here's an expensive LNG from the USA to Ukraine sold, well, brotherly ... repeat

          What do you mean why? The USA is right there when you can steal something. Yes, I’ve found a scythe on a stone, it’s a shame to steal waste rubbish.
      2. Crowe
        Crowe 18 December 2017 16: 28 New
        29
        I can’t understand why Ukraine should survive at the expense of our Gaza? Why should any country survive at the expense of another state? Let your own problems solve! On leaping!
        1. Sergey53
          Sergey53 18 December 2017 16: 40 New
          +2
          Independent states must provide for themselves. And do not wait for handouts from the side.
        2. volodya
          volodya 18 December 2017 16: 44 New
          +6
          I don’t understand how a pipe can kill Ukraine? They themselves will destroy it with pleasure, have already jumped to the edge! It remains only to play in the pit!
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 18 December 2017 23: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: volodya
            I don’t understand how a pipe can kill Ukraine?
            No, the pipe cannot kill Urkainu. Only independence can kill her. Not a single country in the world was able to decompose as much as Urkain managed to do in 25 years of "independence."
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 18 December 2017 23: 41 New
              +1
              Well .. in fact, you still haven’t seen any Somalia there.

              But in Europe - yes, few can Ukraine compete with ... Bosnia, perhaps some
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 19 December 2017 00: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: alexmach
                Well .. in fact, you still haven’t seen any Somalia there.

                Somalia to its "success" went much longer. Squander all that Urkain inherited from the USSR for a quarter of a century, it is necessary to try very hardyes
        3. 79807420129
          79807420129 18 December 2017 16: 45 New
          19
          Quote: Crowe
          I can’t understand why Ukraine should survive at the expense of our Gaza? Why should any country survive at the expense of another state? Let your own problems solve! On leaping!

          A colleague, this is the West’s reckoning, this ukochetodan without a handle should bark at us as soon as possible, shit at our door, go in case of cannon fodder, but we should feed this suitcase. hi
        4. Astoria
          Astoria 18 December 2017 18: 08 New
          +2
          The Poles, speaking of 404, come from their interest, since their share of the total transit fee is% 30-40
      3. LSA57
        LSA57 18 December 2017 18: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        Well, Poland then spins as it can.

        with one hand on the face for the bandage quilted, the other on the head strokes when they do nasty things to us
      4. Hammerlock
        Hammerlock 19 December 2017 04: 22 New
        0
        that LNG was kind of like from Norway, but yes it was transported by American tankers
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 18 December 2017 16: 07 New
      +8
      Ukraine, at least from the West, outskirts, even from the East, outskirts ... It will purchase Russian reverse gas with Poland. Yes, only gas from the West will be more expensive. lol
      1. Sergey-svs
        Sergey-svs 18 December 2017 16: 11 New
        45
        I want to remind all forum users from VO that today is the birthday of one of the greatest statesmen of Russia - Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin! good And although he has, as it were, two birth dates: - on December 6 (18), 1878 and according to the official version on December 9 (21), 1879, I think that such a person can be congratulated twice. yes
      2. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 18 December 2017 16: 16 New
        +6
        How much the Jew K. Marx was right - the loot determines consciousness.
        What can not be said in an attempt to hold the source in their hands!
        To listen to him, so Russia is simply obliged to feed the transit-hangers-in at its own expense ...
    3. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 18 December 2017 16: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: Wend
      Nord Stream 2 will not kill Ukraine
      Let the nafig kill the present, this cadavre is not viable. In the meantime, "Ukraine hasn’t died yet, but it stinks too."
    4. Berber
      Berber 18 December 2017 16: 18 New
      +3
      Do you think he's worried about her? No matter how. There was one under-state - Poland. Now, against the background of Ukraine, Poland is still nothing. But not for long. Soon the Germans will give loans to Poland back. Then we cook the seeds and we will look at the "united Europe".
      1. dSK
        dSK 18 December 2017 18: 41 New
        +3
        Hello Evgeny Ruzhanovich!
        Quote: BerBer
        Germans coming soon
        After Germany abandoned the development of nuclear energy in order to "national security", cheap Russian gas - the basis of the country's energy, "green" is much more expensive. Gas pipeline 2,0 will be built in any scenario. Denmark will not allow (at a loss), the route turned south a little earlier, straight to Germany. The map shows a "promising" route through Denmark to England, it is a matter of time, the British have their deposits depleted, but there are no new ones. hi
        1. Berber
          Berber 19 December 2017 14: 20 New
          0
          Hello! Europe is full of contradictions. Unites all (and we there too) the fact that we are on the same continent. Using the dollar, the United States promotes its interests through countries such as Poland. It will end when everyone understands that "green papers" are not a resource, but real gas, oil, grain.
          Well, I really want to hope for common sense.
    5. Pivot
      Pivot 18 December 2017 16: 38 New
      +2
      How it will kill, Ukraine is Europe, there is industry at the highest level, technology, why do they need gas from some backward Russia, moreover, Dzhamilev said it is about to collapse, so there will be no gas, so they write some kind of nonsense.
    6. sgazeev
      sgazeev 18 December 2017 19: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Wend
      2 Nord Stream will not kill Ukraine, but those who wanted to make money on the Ukrainian GTS.

      He is painful. fool
    7. alexmach
      alexmach 18 December 2017 20: 27 New
      +2
      In fact, for Ukraine this is a big problem. Perhaps now they are already slightly rebuilt according to European rules, but before it was like this: Naftogaz was also involved in the sale and transit of gas in Ukraine. All income from him went "to the common boiler" from where all expenses were financed. It turned out that due to payment for transit, gas consumption was also subsidized inside Ukraine, and at high purchase prices an acceptable price was kept inside. Now they are like the Naftogaz division and the company managing the pipe and transit, and in addition, they have greatly raised prices for consumers, but all the same, the same arithmetic should work at the budget level of Ukraine. Naftogaz has always been subsidized - money poured into it to maintain the trousers from the state budget, I suspect that in one way or another it remained. And in the absence of transient state budget revenues will fall. Maybe this will not be for Ukraine a very, very catastrophic. IMHO, the breakdown of economic ties and the war have already done her more harm, but it will certainly be painful.
      1. Nevyatoy
        Nevyatoy 18 December 2017 21: 23 New
        +1
        This is not the point, I think. Rather, not only in this. Lack of transit will untie Moscow’s hands. Except for the transit of Russia, the campaign has nothing to worry about in Ukraine.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 18 December 2017 15: 58 New
    13
    This territory killed itself even before SP2 .. Although if you look at the substance .. I won’t believe that even the economy of such a misunderstanding would critically depend on gas transit. But for those who steal from the gas transportation system and just operate it, yes.
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 18 December 2017 16: 05 New
      +4
      critically dependent on gas transit

      Good afternoon!!!! Well here is an associative series - a camel, back, straw ..... sooner or later ...
      1. Going
        Going 18 December 2017 16: 18 New
        +7
        Quote: 210ox
        This territory killed itself even before SP2 .. Although if you look at the substance .. I won’t believe that even the economy of such a misunderstanding would critically depend on gas transit. But for those who steal from the gas transportation system and just operate it, yes.


        That Ukraine, that its GTS - were killed before SP 2.
      2. Berber
        Berber 19 December 2017 14: 22 New
        0
        I want to say the same thing about the USA.
  3. Fedalex
    Fedalex 18 December 2017 15: 59 New
    +2
    Do not care, there is a road ...
  4. svp67
    svp67 18 December 2017 16: 00 New
    +6
    Polish Prime Minister: Nord Stream-2 will kill Ukraine
    How can you kill what is already dead? I do not understand
  5. Loess
    Loess 18 December 2017 16: 01 New
    +3
    If Denmark sets
    to implement SP-2 insurmountable barrier
    then the SP-2 will pass by Denmark and the Danes will say a huge "thank you" to the same USA.
    1. svp67
      svp67 18 December 2017 17: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Less
      then the SP-2 will pass by Denmark and the Danes will say a huge "thank you" to the same USA.

      USA frankly spit on their thanks, just as they already spit on such a "thank you" from Bulgaria
  6. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 18 December 2017 16: 01 New
    +6
    Suppose, and here we are. It is impossible to feed and support everyone, to infinity.
  7. bankirchik34
    bankirchik34 18 December 2017 16: 02 New
    +8
    If a whole gas pipe can kill an entire country, then what kind of country is this?))
  8. Mihail177
    Mihail177 18 December 2017 16: 02 New
    0
    These are the Poles and killed the Ruin, organizing Maidan, etc. ......
  9. cannabis
    cannabis 18 December 2017 16: 07 New
    11
    Let this bastard remember how, at the beginning of 90, Poland requested gold for the transportation of ZGV property and banned the transit of military equipment by rail. Then, thousands of tons of ammunition for astronomical amounts burnt at the landfills. France and Poland, two rotten on the body of Europe.
  10. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 18 December 2017 16: 12 New
    +2
    In addition, the Polish prime minister said that if Ukraine is withdrawn from gas transit, then for Russia this will become an additional tool for "destabilization".
    How? Where from? laughing Where do they get it? laughing In theory, on the contrary, Russia will not have the opportunity to destabilize the “independent” one. Yes, and this same "non-spotless" profit, it will not sponsor the insidious aggressor stop
  11. Graz
    Graz 18 December 2017 16: 14 New
    +3
    All traffic flowing through Ukraine, we must cut and let go past this country
  12. private person
    private person 18 December 2017 16: 27 New
    +2
    Yes, Russia will not stop the transportation of gas through Khokhlostan, because there the "brothers" will freeze. Ukrainians are now jumping, and the deadline for the supply contract is 2019, they’ll start singing a different song, the current government will blame it for that period at that time and it will safely settle overseas.
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 18 December 2017 16: 51 New
      +2
      And so they formed Ukraine. With a human face.
  13. Topotun
    Topotun 18 December 2017 16: 27 New
    +2
    Nevermind your application! And why the hell should we support Ukraine with our money? Let them raise the economy and not depend on transit ....
  14. Sergey53
    Sergey53 18 December 2017 16: 36 New
    +1
    Well, if you think that this will kill her, start providing for yourself. Because she is your neighbor, EAST. Do we really need this?
  15. JonnyT
    JonnyT 18 December 2017 16: 41 New
    +1
    After cakland in the line of pshekia stands - at the bottom together they will grow silt
  16. Aldmith
    Aldmith 18 December 2017 16: 43 New
    +1
    "That which has died cannot die!"
    The motto of the Iron Islands))))
  17. Esoteric
    Esoteric 18 December 2017 16: 43 New
    +1
    Polish Prime Minister: Nord Stream-2 will kill Ukraine


    We will bury, remember and begin to live on. You can pick up your western regions ...
  18. mihey
    mihey 18 December 2017 16: 43 New
    +1
    I still can’t understand everything:
    1) who draws up the contract in such a way that gas transit is paid by the supplier?
    2) why it is impossible to transfer gas at the border with Ukrainians, so that transit through the gas transportation system of Ukraine becomes an EU problem?
    After all, there is no and is not foreseen a real and such cheap alternative to gas from Russia. So why the hell are these these mnemons?
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 18 December 2017 17: 04 New
      +1
      Eurogoes so wanted ... such as transit problems, let them be Gazprom's problems and not them ... it’s easier for them to pay the price of gas with a mark-up for transit, than there is nothing to do with Ukrai for transit and for every stolen cubic meter, and Gazprom has a choice nebylo, or anyway
    2. Astoria
      Astoria 18 December 2017 18: 16 New
      0
      It’s not difficult to understand, the current contract was signed from completely different realities: it was planned to buy the GTS 404, and gas energy + fertilizer production would be possible with it, in the early 2000s GazMyas was like a vacuum cleaner buying everything up. In addition, GasMyas sought to control the distribution of gas to end consumers.
    3. Astoria
      Astoria 18 December 2017 18: 20 New
      0
      There is another important point, before Yushchenko came, the contract was different with a fixed price for 404, but pan. Yushch decided to win a penny and lose the ruble (the price became variable, and oil flew into space, well, gas, respectively), after which there were a number of gas conflicts, and then the gas princess signed the current agreement.
      1. mihey
        mihey 18 December 2017 19: 44 New
        0
        So all this was already under King Pea. That's why I asked myself such a question, since it has surfaced relatively recently. Moreover, as an offer from Ukrainians. So why not work on it? Why did GazPrem rest against existing realities? Moreover, the previously reached agreements are all the same, in terms of finances, to be implemented.
        1. Astoria
          Astoria 18 December 2017 22: 47 New
          +3
          1) The gas pipeline through 404 is worn out + -% 80, which means $ 6-8 billion.
          2) Payment to transit countries with an average gas pipeline load is somewhere - + $ 4 billion, 50% Ukrainians, + -30% Poland, 20% Slovakia. That is, saving 4 billion.
          3) Ukrov has Mriya to raise the cost of transit 4 times since 19 years.
          4) Ukrainians sued something about $ 6,4 billion in their courts at the state enterprise (for monopoly gas transit through 404 - provided that Naftogaz is involved in gas transportation).

          Roughly speaking, a ton of hemorrhoids for your money.
          1. mihey
            mihey 18 December 2017 22: 56 New
            +1
            AND? Well, I did not say that we should accept the proposal from 404 in their version. I said that in case of transfer of the delivery point, all the other risks in transit countries: Ukrainians bought gas from us at the border, and then to us by the drum, how they will deliver it to end consumers, even if they carry it on the sieve. Another thing is that EU countries will not do this ...
            1. Astoria
              Astoria 18 December 2017 23: 10 New
              +1
              The minimum period of use of SP-1 is 50 years (before repair
              https://www.nord-stream.com/ru/ekspluatatsiya/tek
              hnicheskoe-obsluzhivanie /
              ) - that is, if you are offered 50 years of age not to bear additional transit losses, will you really refuse, that’s why the Germans do not want to refuse.

              Another thing is that EU countries will not do this ...
              the fact is that each relatively independent EU country has its own plans: Italy against the joint venture, but could not defend UP. France is neutral. Austria wants to remain a hub, well, etc.
  19. Romanenko
    Romanenko 18 December 2017 16: 45 New
    0
    Or maybe it will just bring her to life?
  20. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 18 December 2017 16: 46 New
    +2
    Well, yes ... Well, yes ... If we consider that Poland itself receives 90% of gas from the Russian Federation through the territory of Belarus, then concern for Ukraine simply touches
  21. NF68
    NF68 18 December 2017 16: 47 New
    +4
    If the violent guys in Ukraine did not arrange their escapades around the gas transportation system and gas supplies to the EU through Ukraine and did not steal gas, then perhaps the Russian leadership would not have decided to build the SP-2. By the way, they could have thought and explained to some people in Ukraine earlier in Poland that it’s not worth it, you’ll do it yourself sooner or later, but now it’s too late. Well, if the leadership of Ukraine considers their country independent, then at least not really care about their country and its population.
    1. Astoria
      Astoria 18 December 2017 18: 22 New
      0
      Well, Poland had other plans for Ukraine, they didn’t do 1-2 billion from the transit of the weather, in case of loss, you could always blame everything on the evil Russians.
      1. NF68
        NF68 18 December 2017 20: 17 New
        +1
        Well, Poland had other plans for Ukraine,


        Why were these? These plans, not much surprised, have not disappeared. On the other hand, Poland is not such a rich country when it comes to 1-2 billions of dollars or euros.
        1. Astoria
          Astoria 18 December 2017 22: 55 New
          +1
          could think earlier in Poland
          Well, the guys who built the LNG plant in Swinoujscie eat different cookies, although they are beginning to see clearly.

          21/04/2017 Kommersant

          The option that Kommersant’s interlocutors on the Russian market consider more likely is related to deliveries to Poland from Germany through a virtual reverse via the Yamal-Europe gas pipeline. The volume of such supplies can now theoretically be up to 5,4 billion cubic meters per year, but in the past two years the spread between gas prices in Germany and Poland has narrowed, which made the reverse unprofitable. In addition, Warsaw can receive up to 1,5 billion cubic meters per year of physical gas from Germany through the Lazov point. Together, these volumes, with the simultaneous purchase of at least 5 million tons of LNG per year, will allow Poland to formally not purchase gas from Gazprom.
  22. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 18 December 2017 16: 48 New
    +2
    And to hell with her, they themselves chose such a fate. not what it was to blackmail yourself to knock out a price. Here with Ukraine and deal.
  23. NF68
    NF68 18 December 2017 16: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: Topotun
    Nevermind your application! And why the hell should we support Ukraine with our money? Let them raise the economy and not depend on transit ....


    So accustomed to this phenomenon under the name, "freebie." And some people in their pocket are not bad money in Ukraine constantly grabbed.
  24. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 18 December 2017 16: 56 New
    +1
    "Maxim" will die? - Well, figs with him)))
    The less parasites, the better
    In general, openly shitting in nursing hands is the height of cynicism
  25. Overlock
    Overlock 18 December 2017 16: 58 New
    +1
    and God be with her, with Ukraine. Tired of every day, in all gears the same
  26. Conductor
    Conductor 18 December 2017 16: 59 New
    0
    Quote: Sergey53
    Independent states must provide for themselves. And do not wait for handouts from the side.

    You see, the independence is very original. From now on, they are still not independent, but from gas they are fallow (-:
  27. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 18 December 2017 17: 01 New
    +1
    it’s just that the Europeans don’t want to contain 404 ... after all, Ukrainians will immediately resort to asking for their support ... they will also begin to blackmail us, they will tell officially who and how they created the Maidan, then the documents will blunder about Boeing, because there will be nothing left to lose Svidomo
  28. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 18 December 2017 17: 19 New
    0
    First we do, then we begin to think! It was hoped that Russia would "fall apart." and then there was a rake.
  29. Lev Bronsch
    Lev Bronsch 18 December 2017 17: 22 New
    +4
    And if without sarcasm and seriously? After all, what imbeciles do we, the country, have to deal with ... After all, this statement by the Prime Minister is quite a country - yes, average in many respects, but it’s really European, quite living! And the utterances of the babble of a 2-year-old child hit the closet. wow, now we’ll punish the cupboard - fu, bad cupboard! Here is the level of thinking of the Prime Minister of the 40 millionth country !!! It’s scary, really.
    That is, a man seriously claims that a small infrastructure project, by world standards, will kill a 35 millionth country ?? That is, this country, Ukraine. so insignificant that the absence of $ 2 billion a year will mow it? At the same time, Ukraine’s trade is more than 50 billion dollars a year !! What does he consider Ukraine ?? Maybe it has some secret underestimation what
    And the logic is: gas cannot be delivered directly to Germany, but can it be delivered to Germany through Ukraine? You see, this cannot even be called propaganda, it is generally a collection of letters accidentally stuck together in words - there is a text, it makes no sense.
    So put yourself in the place of our diplomats, Gazprom workers - you need to communicate with the random word generator, not only communicate, but also find common ground and seek compromises. I would definitely refuse .. that is, it’s easier to get an SMS from real puppeteers than to communicate with their delusional generator. The world has degenerated, at least the Anglo-Saxon civilization, which is sad ...
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 18 December 2017 17: 43 New
      +2
      The Minister means that without money for the transit of the Kana of Ukraine, 10% of its GDP will not be received. She does not have enough money for the budget. And none of her condolences wants to give money. They say they kept it earlier, keep it now. Do we need it?
      1. Lev Bronsch
        Lev Bronsch 18 December 2017 23: 23 New
        0
        Well, why should the numbers be misinterpreted! Ukraine’s GDP is slightly more than $ 100 billion. And all the proceeds from gas transit do not reach 2,5 billion ... well, where is 10% ?? And you need to take GDP at PPP, or GDP in hryvnias, and this is more than 3 trillion. Why I was surprised at the antilogy of the Pole. I myself believe that the absence of ammonia transit through the SCF will be more painful for Ukraine. Actually, a specific transit through the GTS is served by few specialists, and even without major repairs (and the current ones are carried out there), everything will work for 15 years. Well, reliably in the USSR, some things were done, not to kill! But in general, it’s time to stop all transit and minimize all economic cooperation. Moreover, economic leverage, which is quite affordable! And with a short-term inconvenience, I assure you, even in the medium term we will win many times over !!
        But invite the residents of Ukraine to us for relocation! This is it !! Naturally, after a thorough check of the "maydanutism" and "banderization" of each individual. Because taking out 3-4 million of the remaining sane people we will receive a powerful impetus to economic growth. And even generous help to the settlers here would be appropriate. Imagine the flow of people to us who will be declared 20 euros per capita, subject to a change of citizenship and renunciation of Ukrainian. I wrote about the verification above .. Yes, we will select the best of the best. And then all we care about demography ((. Now it’s not the 000th century, the territories themselves, without people, and high-quality specialists, management, do not mean anything at all. It’s kind of like the whole periodic table is also present in Africa, but what Some Anglo-Saxons grind their teeth in our north and Siberia .. Although it would seem a ridiculous task to buy the next African tsar, can you buy it, and who will work? Local people can’t invite expats - go broke. splashing, as in the SA, So we remain, a bit Ukraine, China, and by the way North Korea)). So the removal of a competent and educated population from Ukraine to us is also a sharp weakening of the Western game. Let’s see how Bandera’s ore is collected by them, metal is smelted, fertilizers are produced, but at least they will twist electric harnesses for the automotive industry)) For $ 18 a month)).
  30. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 18 December 2017 17: 54 New
    +6
    if Ukraine is withdrawn from gas transit, then for Russia this will become an additional tool for "destabilization"

    Already a greater destabilizing factor for Europe than the existence of Ukraine does not exist as such .. Well, unless migrants ...
  31. asiat_61
    asiat_61 18 December 2017 18: 17 New
    +2
    According to Moravecki, SP-2 will more closely connect Germany and Russia and allow “dictating the pricing policy for Poland” ..... Here it is, the fear of God, and not at all Hohland. I don’t give a damn about holland, well, except for zemnitsa get hold of.
  32. Nemesis
    Nemesis 18 December 2017 18: 23 New
    +2
    Russia does not need to worry about Russophobia-affected states of the former scoop, such as Ukraine ... The EU does not want to pay the Russian Federation for gas on meters on the border of the Russian Federation with Ukraine, and the Russian Federation is not so rich that it feeds the former scoop for free ... Independent states should live at your own expense, and not at the expense of the Russian Federation
  33. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 18 December 2017 18: 52 New
    +1
    Like, "a drop of nicotine kills a horse, and a hamster tears to shreds" ... he will kill Ukraine, and Poland will probably be neutered ...
  34. den3080
    den3080 18 December 2017 19: 15 New
    +1
    How tired of this shitty trifle from the former socialist camp and the USSR. They don’t represent anything economically, politically, or militarily ... but they stink regularly.
    Let them buy liquefied gas from the hands of their current US owner or Russian, but through the fourth Reich. Do not deserve more.
  35. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 18 December 2017 19: 41 New
    0
    "We believe that Nord Stream 2 is a project harmful from the point of view of security in Central Europe."
    Oh, Mr. Mateus! Central Europe will be just fine, but for you - Eastern, kirdyk, definitely. So they fussed.
  36. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 18 December 2017 19: 57 New
    +2
    And who promised that someone would feed dill?
  37. APASUS
    APASUS 18 December 2017 20: 26 New
    0
    The Poles want to hate Russia for Russian money, and when a bummer comes, they make surprised eyes: what are we for?
  38. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 18 December 2017 20: 45 New
    +1
    She was stillborn.
  39. Simargl
    Simargl 18 December 2017 22: 01 New
    +1
    1 - Ukraine will be killed not by SP-2, but by improper maintenance of the GTS.
    2 - If you propose the United States to bargain with our gas in Europe, there will be SP-3 and 4. But do not sell to intermediaries below the market!
  40. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 18 December 2017 22: 54 New
    +2
    It can turn out to be fatal, murderous for our eastern neighbor - Ukraine.
    So caring that even ashamed. But, everything falls into place when you remember - Poland is on a transit route from Russia to the EU, only a little to the west. And all this "care" immediately becomes very clear.
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  42. Silver fox_2
    Silver fox_2 19 December 2017 00: 12 New
    0
    gas price will kill them! production will go at a loss! and Poland and Ukraine
  43. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 19 December 2017 03: 00 New
    +2
    yes and x ... with her
  44. LeonidL
    LeonidL 19 December 2017 04: 39 New
    0
    Ukraine is being killed by its authorities and the Bandera Nazis who brought them to power.
  45. Alex Xorkam
    Alex Xorkam 19 December 2017 10: 02 New
    0
    This is a shame for Poland. A prime minister who does not understand the essence of things and / or is simply a political prostitute. Nord Stream - 2 will not affect Ukraine in any way. Gas transportation through Ukraine will stop from 2019, regardless of whether there will be Nord Stream - 2 or not. The current state of state relations between Russia and Ukraine will simply not allow concluding a new gas transportation agreement. Ukraine is already a "corpse", but a "corpse" cannot be killed.
    1. Evgeny RS
      Evgeny RS 19 December 2017 12: 12 New
      0
      It is true that in 2019 the released gas will be redirected to China.
  46. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 19 December 2017 12: 10 New
    0
    What's the matter to Poland? Poland will not be killed. They feel sorry for the bander?
  47. bsk_una
    bsk_una 19 December 2017 17: 21 New
    0
    What's the matter? Pan Muravetsky let him buy gas in the United States, a rich country, Germany overwhelmed the Poles with money, and this little girl freaks out. And as for Ukraine, this is no longer a state, but an appendage of Geyropa, the Anglo-Saxons. So the pan must be given to Lviv, from it to take the western lands and give to Germany. And all the work! And everyone will forget that Ukraine was in the USSR. The only thing is that all panov have seen in one eye in relation to the Natsik and their silver, Let them blink log mines further.