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How do Russians assess the economic situation in the country?

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A team of experts representing the Institute of Social Analysis and Forecasting of the Russian Academy of National Economy and Public Administration publishes materials in which it tells about the assessment of the economic situation in the country by ordinary Russians. According to the survey results, it turned out that about a third of respondents believe that the further deterioration of the economic situation in Russia will not happen.


The authors of the polls report that the number of Russians who have identified themselves as significantly affected by the recent economic turmoil has significantly decreased. If in the 2015 year there were about 31% of those, now it is 20,6%.

At the same time, the material states that the Russians are still looking at their own financial situation with fear, generally expecting a possible negative economic impact.

How do Russians assess the economic situation in the country?


RIA News gives a fragment of the published material:
Evaluation of the prospects for economic development is still controversial: about a third of the population believes that the situation will not worsen anymore, and about the same proportion allows for the situation to deteriorate for two years or longer.


Experts of the above-mentioned service report that in the 4 quarter of the current year Russians save money less actively than it was in similar periods of previous years.
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  1. Shura Perm
    Shura Perm 18 December 2017 12: 29 New
    28
    opinion polls opinion polls, but ... prices are rising, there is no salary ... nothing to add ...
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 18 December 2017 12: 31 New
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      Quote: Shura Perm
      prices are rising, there is no salary ... there is nothing to add ...
      How is it nothing? Want a little positive, Shura? I have it! Oh how! An ordinary 25-year-old worker from a pipe plant is able to acquire a Bentley ... It seems I haven’t been doing this all my life laughing
      1. Alexander War
        Alexander War 18 December 2017 12: 40 New
        +3
        13 year old Bentley costs from 1500000 and up to 2 with a small million rubles
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 18 December 2017 12: 46 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander War
          13 year old Bentley costs from 1500000 and up to 2 with a small million rubles
          Rather, from two lyamas and above. However, he’s still a smart boy: if we assume that he has been working since he was 18, how much should he put aside a month in order to save up a used Bentley for seven years?
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 18 December 2017 12: 49 New
            11
            A characteristic picture with Bentley ...
            Our last loader is ready to take a loan to buy an iPhone for a hundred ... even if he dies of hunger ... wassat

            A kid at 25 - with a Bentley virgins are included for free !! A win-win!! laughing
            Who sold Bentley to the boy, he stole !!! bully
            1. Alexander War
              Alexander War 18 December 2017 12: 59 New
              +2
              Stole 100 percent on RFP
            2. St Petrov
              St Petrov 18 December 2017 13: 07 New
              12
              maybe he sold the apartment to his parents, who worked for her all his life and moved to the apartment left over from his grandmother.

              But one must truly be a sage in order to spend the cost of an apartment on a 13-year-old trough, which it will cost to re-sell the remaining room.

              My sidekick bought x5 for 400 rubles laughing now stands at home. First I saved up for gas laughing and now something in the motor fell 80 rubles repair

              in general, for a Russian girl, this is normal, as well as the fact that someone spends 100 rubles on an iPhone, having a salary of 25
          2. Alexander War
            Alexander War 18 December 2017 12: 51 New
            +2
            On credit to a campaign!
          3. l7yzo
            l7yzo 19 December 2017 07: 17 New
            0
            And what many people give their children to enter a university or a car, or even an apartment, and then they gave him for example for graduation) Or parents for a wedding. But here it is not specified whether it was disinhibited or not. And this at times the price changes.

            Or maybe it was a condition of his work at the factory. If he takes a couple of three months, he will be driven by a car.
      2. katana
        katana 18 December 2017 13: 35 New
        +1
        Caucasians (from the North Caucasus) “dropped out” a student of this institute because he spoke out about Muslim girls from the republics of the North Caucasus. The name of this student, as I recall, Tereshchenko. Of course, Tereshchenko was still a fruit - his hair was painted blue and red, but I felt sorry for the guy - it was immediately obvious that he was not a fighter and Caucasians didn’t even beat him, but rather mocked him. A few nerds attacked a botanist and felt like heroes. to the guys.
      3. BecmepH
        BecmepH 18 December 2017 14: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        An ordinary 25-year-old worker from a pipe plant is able to acquire a Bentley ... It seems I haven’t been doing this all my life

        Quote: Ami du peuple
        An ordinary 25-year-old worker from a pipe plant is able to acquire a Bentley ... It seems I haven’t been doing this all my life

        You can write whatever you want ...
        Ordinary 25 year old worker
        Would someone believe that? Me not!
        1. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 18 December 2017 14: 38 New
          +2
          Have you ever seen an idiot selling an inherited apartment and buying a car? Yes, it can’t be. I saw. The mechanic from the central heating station near my house is riding on beauty. I sold my grandparents' apartment and bought a business class. I look and go nuts.
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 18 December 2017 14: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: nadezhiva
            Have you ever seen an idiot selling an inherited apartment and buying a car? Yes, it can’t be. I saw. The mechanic from the central heating station near my house is riding on beauty. I sold my grandparents' apartment and bought a business class. I look and go nuts.

            Yes, there are thousands of them. But they don’t write about them?
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 18 December 2017 19: 43 New
            0
            I know six such idiots - they sold apartments and bought cars and other crap.
    2. AST507
      AST507 18 December 2017 12: 33 New
      11
      "that further deterioration of the economic situation in Russia will not happen."
      It’s just that many people have nowhere worse, and those who still have more
      "they continue to look with concern at their own material situation, generally expecting possible negative economic impact."
    3. the most important
      the most important 18 December 2017 12: 40 New
      15
      Quote: Shura Perm
      public opinion polls, but ... prices are rising, there is no salary ... nothing to add ...

      The country in the swamp ... there are no prospects for a change in the situation ...
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 18 December 2017 12: 43 New
        +6
        The country in the swamp ... there are no prospects for a change in the situation ...


        Is this how you understood?
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 14: 22 New
          +8
          And this is already understood by the majority, unlike you, Petrov.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 18 December 2017 19: 44 New
            +5
            Most of them are probably those who do not do anything and expect that they will bring everything on a silver platter.
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 19 December 2017 09: 30 New
              +1
              smile You are apparently now to yourself! Self-criticism is good.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 20 December 2017 00: 05 New
                0
                I’ve already done everything that was necessary, for 10 years of entrepreneurial activity, now the orders themselves come to me - the latest contract with Russian Technologies and the Tactical Missile Arms concern will allow integrating new technologies into production - 3D metal printers. And there’s no point in criticizing yourself - I’m doing my favorite thing, at my pleasure and it makes a profit.
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 20 December 2017 09: 14 New
                  +1
                  Vadim, I am sincerely happy for you. May success not blind your eyes. Just do not think that things are everywhere in the country.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 18 December 2017 14: 44 New
        +6
        Quote: the most important
        Quote: Shura Perm
        public opinion polls, but ... prices are rising, there is no salary ... nothing to add ...

        The country in the swamp ... there are no prospects for a change in the situation ...

        Why not, you need to vote for Grudinin and there will be all the rules. And with Putin, yes there are no prospects ..
    4. Finches
      Finches 18 December 2017 12: 46 New
      17
      In fact - let's be objective - Russia is adequately coping with economic sanctions and all the difficulties of low energy prices! The state fulfills all social obligations - pensions are paid day after day, state employees receive money day after day ... Yes! Not very big money, but in the 90s they didn’t pay any money at all - now a person can plan something confidently!
      Now all kinds of Stroporezs, Dedkastarovyhs, etc. will come running, and begin a mournful song about Putin bringing the country to the handle ... I have a question for such people - did you swear during Yeltsin’s time, you impoverished oligarchs ..., 90- Do not remember, and if you do not remember, then you are not from the common people! That's what I will say to this - not from a simple one ... Of the wealthy people offended by the current "regime", probably! Do not slur the shit in the 90s means ....
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 18 December 2017 12: 49 New
        +8
        In fact - let's be objective - Russia is adequately coping with economic sanctions and all the difficulties of low energy prices!


        are you crazy? It is necessary to write that everything is bad.

        The state fulfills all social obligations - pensions are paid day after day, state employees receive money day after day ..


        oh well these are trifles.
        1. Finches
          Finches 18 December 2017 12: 53 New
          11
          You know how these whiners began to get me - I’m a generally balanced person, but I just can’t understand what is driving me crazy - how can I not see elementary things, especially having the experience of the 90s !? I reassure only that the number of idiots ..., provocateurs, trolls, etc., even on the adult VO site, exceeds the maximum permissible norms!
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 18 December 2017 12: 56 New
            +8
            You know how these whiners began to get me


            I read them since 2000. how do they paint about a rotten Russian girl or what is she here. Now they’ll sell it out, there’s going to be a revolution because

            so you can not Jew!


            but it’s funny that the stubborn characters don’t notice positive changes at all - in their sick mind Russia of 2001 = Russia of 2017. But there is nothing to talk about. Here it is necessary to make diagnoses.

            Well, you need to understand that there are many - Romanians, Bulgarians, Jews and other fellow citizens who are offended by the Russian. Those Ukrainians are independent. A couple of Belarusians are stubborn by independence. Here they like each other and joke about the "race" about the "crags" of the Sterkhov and the alegarchs. Type exercise in wit. Look how oldcast.


            In general, if you throw this husk - everything becomes quite adequate.
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 December 2017 12: 57 New
              +8
              And now, Ukrainians pulled themselves up ... The shock detachment of world Russophobia! laughing
            2. Sergey53
              Sergey53 18 December 2017 14: 14 New
              10
              Mr. Petrov, you manage to give comments, even if you don’t read them, you give them in your mind just by inventing, you have the scale of “this husk” and you answer them with your cliches.
              1. St Petrov
                St Petrov 18 December 2017 14: 33 New
                +4
                Listen, if you had written something sensible, we would have debated. You can try it now.
                1. Sergey53
                  Sergey53 18 December 2017 15: 06 New
                  +5
                  Have you ever re-read your own? You didn’t read mine, but invented it as living in \ in Ukraine. How do you answer without reading?
                2. Sergey53
                  Sergey53 18 December 2017 15: 20 New
                  +3
                  I am not optimistic but not pessimistic. I'm realist. Assess yourself who you give yourself. The one that they gave you, I partially disagree with her.
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 18 December 2017 13: 52 New
            10
            Quote: Finches
            how not to see elementary things

            cross the road with closed eyes. traffic jams on the roads!!! completely foreign cars !!! near houses do not pass because of cars !!! it used to be luxury, now it’s everyday life. Before any were glad, now choose from hundreds of options !! and we all live badly
            1. S-kerrigan
              S-kerrigan 19 December 2017 05: 07 New
              0
              Exactly. Because of this, I don’t even go - there’s nowhere for me to park on my BPM. As a result, it stands in the boxes. As a result - I go to work on foot ...
              Yes, and Ladushki - 2-3km more useful for health every day.
          3. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 14: 25 New
            +4
            So you Zyablintsev do not read the whiners then! And then the campaign you have a masochistic tendency is observed.
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 14: 24 New
        +9
        Zyablintsev, I’ve already run! You still compare with the slave system. Weakly compare, say, with the USSR of the 70s? By the way, I didn’t belong to the rich either before or now, just like I was offended by the authorities.
        1. Finches
          Finches 18 December 2017 14: 32 New
          +9
          I see that you didn’t learn how to contact the other person by writing his nickname correctly ... You ran into a run, but you learn, you couldn’t! hi
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 14: 42 New
            +3
            So live with wolves, howl like a wolf. Start with yourself and I assure you Zyablitsov, people will catch up with you. So did you normally write?
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 December 2017 14: 50 New
              +5
              Why do I need people to reach me? Here, let me exchange opinions based on our own experience and knowledge, and the element of disagreement with each other gives this platform its daily relevance! So everything is fine here - you just need to try to respect the opinion of your opponent, not to go personal and behave respectfully! For the sake of justice, I’ll say that I myself can’t stand it, but still try to return to the framework .... About whiners, just from this case - but there is an excuse - when I didn’t receive monetary allowance under Yeltsin for up to 6 months, I’m well remembered, the wife remembered, the children remembered ... And now people like you want to return me at the same time ... And I react, a little, sharply, to whiners ....! Excuse me! hi
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 14: 59 New
                +8
                Dear Zyablitsev, people like me didn’t receive salaries for half a year in the 90s! But at the same time, they managed to earn on the side, albeit often for exchange in kind. But now the people are so impoverished, despite the fact that they receive a beggarly pension and a salary of 15 tr that they can not pay anything except food and a communal apartment. The better it got?
                I respect your opinion and do not pass on to personalities and insults, unlike you Zyablitsov, who calls people rightly criticizing the government- "whiners."
                1. Finches
                  Finches 18 December 2017 15: 04 New
                  +9
                  That is, we live in different Russia - I have 90% of relatives, friends, acquaintances who are happy with the present day, there are 10% of those who doubt it, and you have the opposite? Well, it happens! So you are specifically unlucky, but nevertheless there is money on the Internet, on a terminal device, where you can calmly express your thoughts and pay for traffic ... - maybe not everything is as bad as you write?
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 15: 06 New
                    +7
                    Zyablitsev wrote more than once. All that you are talking about, I have not because of power, but in spite of it. The Internet appeared in my home back in 1996, and then I calmly expressed my thoughts. Following your logic: the fact that we still breathe for free and reproduce for free can also be classified as not so bad!
                    1. St Petrov
                      St Petrov 18 December 2017 15: 08 New
                      +6
                      unemployed miracle andrej-shironov. get a job and pay taxes. he broadcasts here the presentation of power. Tells me hungry for my daughter, and he sticks out on the Internet for days on the forum

                      in the USA for tax evasion - you would have already rotted for 20 years in the zone.

                      Funny characters. Tell me how they live in Germany and in the USA - there are simply fewer such "taxes not paying" there. And they sit quietly and do not throw presentations to the authorities - because they will immediately be told what they owe and how much.

                      how it fits into your head at all - it’s proud that you don’t pay the treasury - and then write that the country lives poorly and there is not enough money

                      Also with this kind of know-it-all, it draws emoticons. I really say you need to organize a traveling circus and tour the country. You look at your daughter would find what to eat

                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 15: 19 New
                        +6
                        smile Well, finally, Petrov! And then I thought you already had a bespectacled bespectacled man. Tell us about how spaceships plow the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater? So interesting, you can not re-read Ilf and Petrov.
                    2. Finches
                      Finches 18 December 2017 15: 13 New
                      +4
                      andrej-shironov

                      That is, you confirm the idea that you had the opportunity to get hold of all the benefits of civilization listed by me, so that you would now be able to pour mud on a power that did not prevent you from pouring mud on it ... laughing
                      Okay, I see the dialogue as useless! Good luck ... I won’t wish it, because I feel that luck for people like you is the collapse of Russia or a permanent mess, like in Ukraine! hi
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 15: 27 New
                        +3
                        smile What does dialogue mean is useless? Wait a minute Zyablitsov, I hope you do not want to merge under cute speeches like the others here? wink Where did you get about my supposedly opportunity to get hold of the benefits of civilization in order to flood the power with mud? What are you talking about?
                    3. St Petrov
                      St Petrov 18 December 2017 15: 21 New
                      +5
                      smile Well, finally, Petrov! And then I thought you already had a bespectacled bespectacled man. Tell us about how spaceships plow the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater? So interesting, you can not re-read Ilf and Petrov.


                      I’m saying a performance in the circus arena - your limit. A dream writer about the great blessings of the state

                      fart in a puddle on the forum of housewives. what pulls you here i don't understand
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 15: 24 New
                        +5
                        laughing Eh Petrov, Petrov! You are angry, which means you're wrong!
                      2. Akuzenka
                        Akuzenka 18 December 2017 16: 24 New
                        +2
                        Strange, but in my opinion Petrov scoffs at you. Make a nice face with a bad game ... you do not have this skill. Feeling a demagogue with great experience.
                    4. Akuzenka
                      Akuzenka 18 December 2017 16: 19 New
                      +7
                      1996 year. Then a cell phone was an expensive curiosity. And then the Internet. And then he was worth !!!! A lot, in a word, was mainly dial-up. Knowing money from you then was decent, no match for me, a modest geophysicist. Did you crush pearls now or are you just left behind from the feeder?
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 17: 19 New
                        +3
                        smile Akusenka, then he did not cost much ceiling money, do not la la, but the dialup is yes. I then worked at the plant in the operational production management service, they didn’t pay salaries for half a year, but even then and now I know how and how to earn money and not get as many salaries here sitting on army salaries. You are apparently also trying to mock wink but you certainly need to grow up in this matter and strong. But Petrov is begging, the lack of arguments will not even prompt him to such a thing.
                  2. the most important
                    the most important 18 December 2017 22: 51 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Finches
                    we live in different Russia - I have 90% of relatives, friends, acquaintances happy today,

                    You're lucky!!! All in chocolate! Have you seen millionaire cities from which the entire budget has been sucked into the capital? Have you seen in these cities neighborhoods and wrecks built before the Second World War? Have you seen that after the rain you can drive through the streets of these wrecked cities only in the Urals? Dozens of destroyed factories .. And hospitals where all treatment is paid, but can only be sent free of charge to all known addresses, where an ambulance can arrive in a few hours, or maybe not at all ... Schools built in 1937? And I studied in it and it still stands, although we were still promised the children that we would finish school in a new building and be built in 1980 !! And that the village was killed and plundered - there is no work and if you did not get drunk from hopelessness, that is, there is only one way out - go somewhere on a kalym, and there they simply do not pay and you can at least complain where! Or do you imagine a village in the form of a cottage village around the capital? And the courts, which do not even read statements, but scribble answers in favor of the authorities ... And the promised apartments? I quit due to my health condition (qualified as a military trauma), and I received only a combination of three fingers and the answer that there are a lot of you .. But I could not get a job after normal work with two higher educations - it simply is not available. You are right - we live in different Russia! One is snickering and happy with everything, and the other is poor and without any prospects.
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 19 December 2017 12: 24 New
                      0
                      What are you offering?
            2. Romulus
              Romulus 20 December 2017 10: 23 New
              0
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              . Start with yourself and I assure you Zyablitsov, people will catch up with you.

              You to him proof On done with us, let him rejoice further fellow
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 21 December 2017 04: 07 New
                +1
                Leave your proof to yourself, you are probably from the claws of the cheers-patriots. I have long been on this site. 80% of the information on this site is either piece goods, never industrial production at a fairly high price, which means they are not viable, or workshops with screwdriver assembly without developing the technological base on the spot, that is, stupidly bought from abroad. Of course, the same Schwabe has brilliant products, but all this refers to state-owned corporations that invest in R&D.
                1. Romulus
                  Romulus 21 December 2017 05: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  Leave your proof to yourself

                  I'm afraid you misunderstood me ... read it again. To whom I advised to rejoice in hurray agitation hi
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 21 December 2017 17: 08 New
                    0
                    Dear Romulus, I apologize, apparently I really misunderstood you. hi
      3. BecmepH
        BecmepH 18 December 2017 14: 34 New
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        In fact - let's be objective

        and compare not with the 90s, but with the 80s, or even the 1900s.
        Why do you compare with the 90s?
        1. Finches
          Finches 18 December 2017 14: 40 New
          +5
          For one simple reason - in the 80s there was no such subject of international law as Russia! hi
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 18 December 2017 14: 51 New
            +7
            Quote: Finches
            For one simple reason - in the 80s there was no such subject of international law as Russia! hi

            What does the subject have to do with it? Was the people the same?
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 December 2017 14: 56 New
              +3
              Yes, and the people are different! I am different and you are different ... Only I live today, and you, apparently, are still yesterday! I apologize if I'm wrong! hi
          2. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 15: 00 New
            +6
            Zyablitsov, you are a formalist. You perfectly understood what we are asking with Western.
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 December 2017 15: 08 New
              +6
              Why a formalist? Just because I do not agree with you?
              Let me stick with my opinion - I fully support the policy of GDP and its team and will vote for it in the elections! I will recommend it to all my relatives and friends ... You vote as you please! I hope you don’t see any signs of formalism here?
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 15: 32 New
                +6
                smile Not at all, because you understand everything formally. I respect your opinion and vote for whoever you want — your right, as well as the right of your relatives, I will have everything exactly the opposite. By the way, I’m interested in your forecasts for the turnout in general and the number of people who voted for GDP in these elections. Do not write?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 18 December 2017 15: 34 New
                  +4
                  I won’t write about the appearance - I am only responsible for myself! hi
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 15: 45 New
                    +3
                    smile Zyablitsov, but I did not expect another. Do you know how you feel a cognitive dissonance? The fact that you are by nature a man is quite mentally sensitive and you feel the situation in the country perfectly but don’t translate it into a plane of thought processes, but until the last you will cling to the thesis that everything is good in the country and our GDP is everything.
                    1. Akuzenka
                      Akuzenka 18 December 2017 16: 21 New
                      +5
                      How funny you are ... formalist. You hang all your failures and discontent on Zyablicev. However, you already did it !.
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 17: 20 New
                        +4
                        smile And you are also quite a funny character, I think fabulous wink
      4. Iline
        Iline 18 December 2017 15: 32 New
        10
        Quote: Finches
        but in the 90s they didn’t pay any money at all - now a person can plan something confidently!

        Listen to you, so compared to the concentration camp, we generally live in paradise. Maybe it's time to start living with dignity, and not be touched by the annual struggle with difficulties. And preferably during his lifetime.
        I do not want to believe the words of Oreshkin (a worthy successor to Ulyukaev) that in Russia the middle class begins with incomes of 20-30 thousand rubles a month. He’s not friends with life, or is there something else here? In any normal country, unemployment benefits are much higher.
        The budget for 2017 laid the price of oil at $ 40 per barrel, all that should go higher for the reserve fund and the national welfare fund. What is the average price per barrel for this year? But this does not prevent Siluanov (a worthy successor to Kudrin) from declaring that the reserve fund will be spent by the end of this year. Accordingly, there is no money to improve the welfare of its citizens for the next three years. How shoud I understand this? Where did the money go? Yes, and this year Russia was far from offended by the harvest. But they are proud that they raise the minimum wage to a living wage. It’s not a shame to admit that all these years a large number of people worked not even for soldering, but for a piece of bread if they were very lucky. And to calculate this minimum there are very big questions.
        Last month I received a notification from the PFR that payments from this fund for optimization purposes are postponed to the 16th. It is good that from this fund I receive only a handout of a war veteran. And if this is the main income of a person and he, for example, has a loan in some bank with a payment term earlier than this number? What kind of optimization is this, from which such good motives? After all, everyone with saliva on their lips proves that money in the PFR was heaps.
        Why does the government, by virtue of its “Wishlist,” freely interpret the laws and decrees of the President? Apparently, you are a former military man, so you should be aware of both the lowering coefficient of your pension and the fact that it should increase to 100% annually by at least 2% above inflation. So what have you been planning for the next three years? Thank you for remembering the military. And then 5 years invented evasions in order not to comply with laws to increase monetary allowances. Well, how can you plan something with a free interpretation of the laws in our state.
        Well, hereinafter ... More questions than answers. not enough time to write about all the inconsistencies.
        1. Finches
          Finches 18 December 2017 15: 39 New
          +3
          There are enough shortcomings and I agree with you here, but there are no miracles! I repeat once again - do you personally want to return to the 90s? If you want, then God will judge you, I - no! Let it be today with the shortcomings listed by you, than what was then! hi
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 16: 07 New
            +6
            Excuse me for importunity, but do you and your students equate with the worst?
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 December 2017 19: 55 New
          +1
          From one dollar - plus to the 40 adopted, the budget will receive 116 billion rubles, so consider 22 times 116 and the amount of oil sold for six months and get an approximate amount that will fall into the Reserve Fund.
      5. vlad_vlad
        vlad_vlad 18 December 2017 15: 33 New
        +6
        90s do not remember ...


        you are an interesting people, Russians. with such compelled optimism.
        on the one hand, you read your comments and articles on the site here, so everything goes down: medicine, education, income, pensions, bribes, oligarchs, bad boyars ...
        on the other hand, you will always find in the past moments when it was even worse. and it’s easier for a person to sing immediately.

        but did not try to compare not with the past but with the present? won in China already the average salary say yours than in Russia.
        We must strive to ensure that it is better than others today. otherwise it’s possible to reach a comparison with Russia in 1913.
        1. Finches
          Finches 18 December 2017 15: 46 New
          +7
          You Germans, on the whole, expect only one thing - the collapse of Russia - you will never forgive us for the fact that we have been to Berlin three times, and you have never been to Moscow ... It's here, for example, we bite with andrej-shironov and others, but tomorrow, God forbid, for the adversary, we will unite, if necessary, and will not seem a little, despite all our current differences ... You still do not understand:". I drank with the Russians all night. All night they convinced me that Russia is a country of bad roads and fools and that everything is bad. In the morning, when I agreed with their opinion, they filled my face." laughing
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 16: 01 New
            +6
            smile Well, here Zyablitsov agree with you. Anyone who says that our homeland is disgusting. Only we have the right to discuss its shortcomings! I’ll just make one remark; I won’t go to defend the Motherland under the control of current managers. And even GDP will not help, I will partisan
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 December 2017 16: 07 New
              +3
              Send me your coordinates in PM and I will use the administrative resource to mobilize you in the first wave, God forbid, otherwise you will have to cut something with a jigsaw for the needs of the front in Kolyma ... laughing hi
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 17: 21 New
                +3
                smile Zyablitsov will not work, in case of a mess, a partisan detachment named after Comrade Stalin is already waiting for me.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 18 December 2017 17: 40 New
                  0
                  This is very good - but it is unlikely that you will be freed from criminal liability after our victory, even your heroic deeds in it, if it is an independent organization from our glorious Ministry of Defense! soldier
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 17: 45 New
                    +3
                    smile Finally, I do not bother with exemption from criminal liability, the main thing for me is to make a feasible treasure in defense of the Motherland. Apparently after our victory and not your victory we will again be at enmity wink
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 18 December 2017 17: 47 New
                      +2
                      Our, ours! The system cannot be defeated ... Yes, and Truth in life is only one! hi
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 17: 52 New
                        +2
                        smile Zyablitsov, this is one truth, but there can be many truths. The system will win another system, do not worry, everything has its time.
                2. GradusHuK
                  GradusHuK 18 December 2017 22: 04 New
                  +1
                  andrej-shironov Today, 17:21 soldier Plus. Only so! It is not possible to look at this looking glass.
                  1. BecmepH
                    BecmepH 19 December 2017 05: 49 New
                    +2
                    Quote: GradusHuK
                    andrej-shironov Today, 17:21 soldier Plus. Only so! It is not possible to look at this looking glass.
                    I'm with you.
                    andrej-shironov
                    He stood up for me, so convincingly that I did not have to help him in the fight against my opponent))).
                    andrej-shironov
                    I’m with you in a partisan detachment. And dear Zyablitsov will not do anything to me with its administrative resources. Will not be able to call. After all, I’m retired. He had his own. And they won’t kick me out of the partisan detachment - a great experience.
                    1. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 19 December 2017 09: 36 New
                      +1
                      smile Great comrades! Thank you for your support! I’m not joking about the partisan detachment in case of a mess. But here to stand under the banners of all this guiding riffraff is not a hunt, just lose
                      1. BecmepH
                        BecmepH 19 December 2017 09: 51 New
                        +1
                        Quote: andrej-shironov
                        smile Great comrades! Thank you for your support! I’m not joking about the partisan detachment in case of a mess. But here to stand under the banners of all this guiding riffraff is not a hunt, just lose

                        I'm not joking either. We will have our own banner and our commander. And we will fight for our homeland, for our children.
          2. vlad_vlad
            vlad_vlad 18 December 2017 16: 40 New
            +4
            Zyablitsov and I live in different realities. In your world, you are measured by pisyuny on the topic of who won how many times and who has more cheeks with pride. In our world, we are measuring on the topic of who is better at medicine, education and the welfare of the population.

            In general, a prosperous and wealthy Russia is beneficial for Germany, rather than chaos on 1/6 of the earth. There is no business with the poor — oil and gas can be pumped from you in any of your conditions, but for a real business you need a different level of well-being. The richer you are, the more you buy from us Audi, Mercedes, Adidas, etc.

            so get rich drinks
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 December 2017 16: 56 New
              +2
              I’m very happy for you! And in your universe, it’s an honor to assent each other in the ass, moreover, it is presented as the highest achievement of Western civilization, so thank you, we’re already better off like that! And we don’t have medicine so bad, many times cheaper than yours and the mortality rate is not much lower ... As for welfare, the number of homeless people in Berlin is hardly less than the number of homeless people in Moscow .... hi "Yes, and in the field of ballet we are ahead of the rest" What can you offer, except for the automobile industry, and even then our men or Turks collect it! laughing
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 17: 22 New
                +3
                smile Fi, Zyablitsov! Then you jumped above your ahem ... head! And rubbing others that do not offend anyone
                1. Finches
                  Finches 18 December 2017 17: 42 New
                  +2
                  But these are their values ​​... If an ass - that’s how I write - an ass! And not a part of the human body used to remove organic residues of undigested food from the body ... laughing
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 17: 54 New
                    +3
                    smile Zyablitsev, you broke into a dispute, this is unacceptable for a person creating an image of a truth-teller and an exclusively Nordic character. wink
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 18 December 2017 19: 36 New
                      0
                      I express my point of view without pretending to be a truth-maker! Yes, I fell! With whom it does not happen, tea is not an angel! laughing
                    2. Abracadabrus
                      Abracadabrus 19 December 2017 08: 21 New
                      +1
                      Zyablitsov, you broke in a dispute

                      Oh, who would say that. Yes, you yourself did not write a single address post, so as not to go personal. Typical Troll.
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 19 December 2017 09: 38 New
                        0
                        smile And how do you differ in your post from a typical troll? Right nothing.
              2. vlad_vlad
                vlad_vlad 19 December 2017 11: 18 New
                0
                Uh !! very similar to the answer of the gopnik ... like "... I don’t know about Archimedes, but you yourself

                Zh.opa UTB Your finch value, because you itch and it is you talking about it.

                watch your TV less, read books -% of blues are the same everywhere. even in your Russian Orthodox Church, a tight-knit Duma and your family (Oh Horror!)
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 18 December 2017 20: 57 New
          +5
          Quote: vlad_vlad
          you will always find in the past moments when it was even worse. and it’s easier for a person to sing immediately.


          "- In order to feel happiness in yourself without a break, even in moments of grief and sorrow, you need to: a) be able to be content with the present and b) rejoice in consciousness, which could be worse ".
          A.P. Chekhov .... Shortly before his death ... 1904 ... And how many factors of development of the Russian factor coincide ... recourse
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    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 18 December 2017 12: 30 New
      10
      tried to get up from her knees, but got up differently ...
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 18 December 2017 12: 44 New
        +8
        tried to get up from her knees, but got up differently ...


        Grandpa, do not project your pose to the whole country.
        1. Sergey53
          Sergey53 18 December 2017 13: 44 New
          +9
          Quote: c-Petrov
          tried to get up from her knees, but got up differently ...


          Grandpa, do not project your pose to the whole country.

          What position do you project with your performance? I am interested to receive your answer to your statements on the article "Ulyukaev became a victim ..." from 15.12 p.m. 14.30. WAITING FOR.
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 18 December 2017 14: 21 New
            +1
            The very fact of receiving or earning 1 million. a day already stealing on a large scale.


            after this phrase of yours, I think we have nothing to talk about

            wassat
            1. Sergey53
              Sergey53 18 December 2017 15: 08 New
              +2
              You are not giving an example. Open your eyes.
              1. Sergey53
                Sergey53 18 December 2017 15: 12 New
                +1
                Where you left your essay.
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 18 December 2017 15: 16 New
                  0
                  Well, copy here, what is already here. We will discuss
                  1. Sergey53
                    Sergey53 18 December 2017 15: 34 New
                    +3
                    15.12 p.m. From what statements have you made these conclusions?
              2. Abracadabrus
                Abracadabrus 19 December 2017 08: 24 New
                0
                You are not giving an example. Open your eyes

                Well, the bogeyman! So now you are still going to choose arguments for him ?! Out! Psaki smokes nervously in the corner ... laughing
            2. Sergey53
              Sergey53 18 December 2017 15: 32 New
              +5
              Verbiage. Will you answer? Or can you just spit?
              1. St Petrov
                St Petrov 18 December 2017 15: 44 New
                0
                What do you want from me now? What specific question should I answer? let's try to formulate. Prestrain the brain

                I say - copy the question if you already wrote it - I work. save me time to crawl on different topics. you have a lot
                1. Sergey53
                  Sergey53 18 December 2017 16: 11 New
                  +4
                  Now I answered in a language I understand. Article: "Ulyukaev: I became a victim of a monstrous provocation." My findings. The show is designed for us on the eve of the election campaign. Putin’s May Decree had a salary increase point of 15%, so no one has been fulfilling it until now, but recently he was picked up again by the upcoming elections and decided to execute in November 2018. But this will be after the election, and not the fact that they will. THE SHOW GOES ON. You are commenting. And what did you write before increasing the military allowance? And after it was raised, your forecast was that after the election it will be canceled? And if they do, you will quote yourself and say that you were wrong? I explained that I wrote: The last time they increased in 2016 by 4%. Next year there will be no more. NOW DECODE your comments.
                2. Sergey53
                  Sergey53 18 December 2017 17: 03 New
                  +4
                  I think you will answer on occasion. You faked me that I have a lot of time. If you probably didn’t even notice it for yourself, then this is the style you write. I have the honor.
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 19 December 2017 09: 40 New
                    +2
                    smile Dear Sergey! It’s useless to argue with Petrov! He is on a salary. This is us ideological.
                    1. Sergey53
                      Sergey53 19 December 2017 11: 04 New
                      +1
                      I want to understand, is a person honored, or is he from liberal United Russia?
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 18 December 2017 12: 52 New
        +7
        Quote: Dead Day
        tried to get up from her knees, but got up differently ...

        without words....
  3. ImPerts
    ImPerts 18 December 2017 12: 32 New
    16
    The country now has about two times more officials than in the USSR. This is where the mass of “knee-lifters” disappears. This is where you can find money for the technical revolution in the country.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 18 December 2017 13: 16 New
      +8
      Do you offer a soldering iron in the anus? Or an iron on a belly?
      I agree!!!! One hundred percent.
      We will leave the guarantor, and starting from the prime minister - until the last manager of the independent housing and communal services company.
      Then we will bury them.
      No, it's better to burn. Here's another land to spend on them. Tea, not hectares in Siberia.
      As the kids gather for the funeral, because of there, we will carry out the same procedure with them. Daddy, I guess they took care of the wills in advance. And the kids didn’t take care, so we’ll give them time. To concern.
      In general, work is an endless land. But the factories for the production of soldering irons will begin to work.
      1. Abracadabrus
        Abracadabrus 19 December 2017 08: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Bashibuzuk
        Then we will bury them.
        No, it's better to burn.

        In one country, a harness is already on. I don’t see that they began to live better.
    2. Hey
      Hey 18 December 2017 14: 22 New
      +4
      And you did not think deeper why so. Why do we have so many private security guards who are as much use as officials.
      This is a form of employment. It is easier for the state to pay officials, it is easier to agree with the private trader about the guards than to provide decent work for these people.
      Now the question is being raised about the inaugural economy. Which in essence, again, does not provide for a huge number of jobs. And where do you order to put on free working hands.
      For example, Switzerland has already held a referendum on the payment of benefits to people who refuse to work.
      We still have a reserve so far, we only need the right approach. But at the moment, the state is following the simplest option.
      Examples of other similar forms of removing a population from work:
      -Payments to young mothers, various benefits, with the desire that women at least 3 years did not go to work.
      - permission to the father or other relative to go on maternity leave to care for the baby.
      And this is just a snap.
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 18 December 2017 14: 47 New
        +7
        I thought deeper, but what about.
        The answer suggests itself that it is simply unprofitable for the state to engage in just creative work. The conclusion suggests itself that for such a management system it is much more interesting to have a lot of loafers, or "conditionally employed" - and pay them accordingly, than, say, deploy several construction departments to develop at least a road network. See only how the suburbs are built up. If earlier it was said - there is no life beyond the MKAD - so now all life is only beyond the MKAD and proceeds. To the third bypass ring and along the highways.
        The shift in emphasis to “new forms” of governance is the same “banking bubble”. Money is earned by simply spinning. And the ultimate goal of torsion is found in production with cheap labor - China, Vietnam, Thailand, well, soon others will catch up.
        It’s very expensive to build something production in Russia. These capital buildings should be, with excessive ventilation, heating, and adjacent infrastructure. Very high overhead. It’s not in Mexico or Nevada that he built drywall chicken coops - and that’s it. And here, here in Russia, autumn-winter-spring always come well, horror as unexpected, summer is very rainy. And if not rainy, then fires, then. In peat bogs. Or where else.
        Well, here and to restrain the mass of husbands of aggressive age from social discontent with them and offer their aggressiveness to be sedentary in the ass. In business, like. A ugly one who attacks the bullous. Or the Conservatory. Or school number 40 in Orel. And here - bam - and a bunch of trained guards. In a beautiful form of "Police Academy". True, as a rule, there is one guard, two on the edge. Or a bunch - in corporations. True, a bunch of them or one cripple - Niktyo does not attack anyone. Earlier, they got by with the LOTS. This is not comme il faut today. The provision obliges. Well, how, for example, will the national treasure keep watch on the aunts of 40-year-olds, with berdanks in their hands, huh?
        No work? Because there is no country development program. Because there is no perspective and vision - but why do we live in general? Smoke the sky? And we’ll manage with the guards.
        They gave hectares in the Far East - how to get to this hectare, to walk?
        "... But at the moment the state is following the simplest option ....." - my opinion is that the state is not going anywhere at all, either simple or complicated. It stands still. Or lies and doesn’t even itch
        And only those oligarchs who have money spinning in a foreign country itch.
        For capital without movement is a fiction. At best, a bunch of candy wrappers or a slide of metal.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 15: 15 New
          +4
          Bashibuzuk, support!
          1. Bashibuzuk
            Bashibuzuk 18 December 2017 15: 37 New
            +8
            Thanks, of course. But I, rather Vereshchagin, from the "Desert Sun." I’m very sorry for the power. Annoyingly. Sad
            The Soviet Union gave people a dream. But he did not offer money, a stuffed belly and every homosexual. I didn’t offer any benefits, in short. However, they lived. It was quite normal for themselves, foreigners were amazed - the shops were at least a ball away, and at a party the tables were bursting with refreshments.
            The main thing was a dream. Master space, put the ocean at the service. In the end, catch up and overtake America.
            Now what? Built East, yes, built. What's next? So we will destroy satellites under insurance?
            At least one does not cause irritation - we provide an army. Well, this is the smallest needed now. True, having taken up the question of what kind of shisha, we come to disappointing conclusions. Although, maybe we just don’t know everything to the end, maybe it’s Soros who finances us. Bullshit, of course.
            We have lost perspective. And this is very bad.
            Development, movement. progress is possible only with GOAL. Let it be fantastic.
            And now it is not visible that for the sake of the planned perspective flight to Mars what base would be prepared. Industrial base.
            All kinds of boards, centers, grants for talkers - a shaft. On Skolkovo, on all sorts of nans. One chatter, but no return.
            It is necessary. To find. A dream.
            throughout Russia. And insist on its implementation.
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 18 December 2017 21: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: Bashibuzuk
          No work? Because there is no country development program. Because there is no perspective and vision - but why do we live in general?


          Hmm ... It concerns officials and the Duma boyars ... Moreover, officials - starting from small municipalities and higher:

          The future of the country and its people is absolutely NOT their concern ...
          If the existing army of officials and security guards were made to work, producing additional (rather than virtual) value, it would be a good idea ... But before that, the goal is already time to determine ...
          And IM - there is no time ... or rather, it is not necessary ...
  4. Million
    Million 18 December 2017 12: 33 New
    +4
    Russian to Russian-discord
  5. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 18 December 2017 12: 34 New
    +4
    How how ... Fucking atmosphere.
  6. Sergey53
    Sergey53 18 December 2017 12: 36 New
    11
    Prices in Europe have already caught up and are overtaking. Salaries soon, perhaps catching up with China. I don’t even stutter about pensions.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 December 2017 12: 37 New
    +4
    Russians are still worried about their own financial situation
    Not surprising. And it began with the collapse of the USSR. Life in the so-called The “new” Russia taught the population to wait for a trick from the authorities and to be prepared for the worst case especially during the Yeltsin period. If during the Soviet era the people felt stability and believed in the state, today they are hoping for the state, but don’t be fooled.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 18 December 2017 13: 04 New
      0
      Only the elect in the USSR hoped for the state, some were lucky - they got apartments. The overwhelming majority then hoped for themselves - on a personal plot or a summer cottage ....
  8. Mihanishche
    Mihanishche 18 December 2017 12: 40 New
    +7
    In general, the dynamics are positive - the price increase is small, the increase in salaries is not as we would like, but it is ahead of prices.
    Now our income level is only slightly inferior to Europeans, but we have much better products. I am sure that in the new term Putin will make a sharp leap in the well-being of Russians. I think that in a year and a half we will exceed the level of Europe. And further and further ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 18 December 2017 12: 44 New
      18
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      Now our income level is only slightly inferior to Europeans, but we have much better products.

      laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing fool
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 18 December 2017 12: 59 New
        +9
        Quote: Dead Day
        Quote: Mikhanishche
        Now our income level is only slightly inferior to Europeans, but we have much better products.

        laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing fool

        Grandpa, Mikhanishche is at least doing good business fellow Unlike you, the mood raises, a good mood is also a lot in our life good so let’s do without such likes fool But with this I agree laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing hi
    2. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn 18 December 2017 13: 04 New
      +7
      Let me ask what your confidence is based on. At what expense will there be a breakthrough?
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      I am sure that in the new term Putin will make a sharp leap in the well-being of Russians. I think that in a year and a half we will exceed the level of Europe. And further and further ...
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 18 December 2017 13: 13 New
        +2
        At what expense will there be a breakthrough?


        updated nuclear weapons - it cost a lot of money. About 8 nuclear power units were built. It seems that by the year 20, 1% will be released on a reduction in arms purchases

        They will reach SP-2, UP and the gas pipeline to China.

        Here it is loot. They will beat and multiply. But 1,5 years - Meehan got excited of course. And many enterprises have been built since 2008. Soon they will start generating income.

        And oil was worth $ 25 at the peak of the crisis. Now the situation is getting better.
        1. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn 18 December 2017 13: 22 New
          +8
          The reserve fund for the New Year will end. NWF is melting before our eyes.
          http://ktovkurse.com/rossiya/k-novomu-godu
          -rezervnyj-fond-budet-polnostyu-ischerpan
          Sanctions against oil and gas companies from February come into full force. The saved will go on maintaining the pants. Sorry, but I see no reason for optimism.
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 18 December 2017 13: 25 New
            +3
            The saved will go on maintaining the pants.


            rather, the substitution of critical foreign products. For a couple of years, they reduced their dependence from 65% to 52% in the oil and gas industry. In principle, these will be investments in development.

            The reserve fund for the New Year will end. NWF is melting before our eyes.


            you should have seen what they wrote here before when these reserves were created.

            But this is my IMHO - on a level with those who write that everything is bad. I think the truth is somewhere in between.
        2. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 14: 27 New
          +8
          laughing Reminds Ostap and New Vasyuki! Petrov, you at least read the classics.
        3. BecmepH
          BecmepH 18 December 2017 14: 39 New
          +6
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          They will beat and multiply.

          Well yes. They then beat back and increase.
          And when will they raise my pension at the military registration and enlistment office? They’ll build a gas pipeline with my money, and they’ll "beat off and increase" without me
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 18 December 2017 15: 24 New
            +1
            And when will they raise my pension at the military registration and enlistment office?


            and how much do you have now? as far as I know, the pension from retirees is quite imagined.
            1. Sergey53
              Sergey53 18 December 2017 15: 44 New
              0
              Is it you with me or with someone? If with me, then I did not write this. Give the time, date and article. I wrote you what I wrote. And I asked you to answer.
        4. Nehist
          Nehist 18 December 2017 18: 08 New
          +6
          Petrov !!! In 1950, oil was generally worth $ 3 a barrel! And the USSR was restored after WWII and at the same rate as under the current government and not to see !!! So your positive is not clear to me. And yes, we supply energy to China, much cheaper than on the domestic market. As a result, production is simply not profitable.
        5. Alf
          Alf 18 December 2017 23: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          Built about 8 blocks of nuclear power plants. It seems that by the year 20, 1% will be released on a reduction in arms purchases
          They will reach SP-2, UP and the gas pipeline to China.
          Here it is loot. They will beat and multiply.

          And a few more lard greens will be driven into the Fed. It’s reliable there, otherwise inflation will jump in our country.
    3. Wlad
      Wlad 18 December 2017 13: 30 New
      11
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      In general, the dynamics are positive - the price increase is small, the increase in salaries is not as we would like, but it is ahead of prices.
      Now our income level is only slightly inferior to Europeans, but we have much better products. I am sure that in the new term Putin will make a sharp leap in the well-being of Russians. I think that in a year and a half we will exceed the level of Europe. And further and further ...

      The average salary in Germany is about 2500 euros, in Russia 460 euros. And believe me, there the products are much better than ours. And so - yes, you exceed and overtake ...
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 18 December 2017 13: 45 New
        +4
        The average salary in Germany is about 2500 euros, in Russia 460 euros.


        let's get the cost of the kindergarten then, utilities, water and much more. How much does a German citizen give to the state taxes. And how many residents of Germany or the United States hammer a bolt to pay taxes?

        And yes. In Germany, gasoline costs 100 rubles. Well, two times more expensive than ours.

        It's funny to me to read posts such as where they write how much in Germany or the United States - salary



        in general, leave these stories about heavenly life in the United States or Europe to the alternatively gifted.

        To live well, work hard everywhere. In the USA and Germany first of all, if you are not a refugee of course.

        The standard of living is higher of course, but there are objective reasons for this in the case of Germany and the USA.

        The Germans are on the site. Is it easy to live there in Germany? Dumplings in the mouth probably fly themselves? Guys work, as they do not work here. They don’t hammer a bolt and regularly pay taxes - that’s the recipe for work.

        1. Wlad
          Wlad 18 December 2017 14: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: c-Petrov
          The average salary in Germany is about 2500 euros, in Russia 460 euros.


          let's get the cost of the kindergarten then, utilities, water and much more. How much does a German citizen give to the state taxes. And how many residents of Germany or the United States hammer a bolt to pay taxes?

          And yes. In Germany, gasoline costs 100 rubles. Well, two times more expensive than ours.

          It's funny to me to read posts such as where they write how much in Germany or the United States - salary



          in general, leave these stories about heavenly life in the United States or Europe to the alternatively gifted.

          To live well, work hard everywhere. In the USA and Germany first of all, if you are not a refugee of course.

          The standard of living is higher of course, but there are objective reasons for this in the case of Germany and the USA.

          The Germans are on the site. Is it easy to live there in Germany? Dumplings in the mouth probably fly themselves? Guys work, as they do not work here. They don’t hammer a bolt and regularly pay taxes - that’s the recipe for work.

          How do you know that they don’t work like that here? Do not drive the blizzard. They work so hard for us that the German probably stretched his legs. And most likely refused to work like that. Do not la la ... Is it easy to live in Germany? Everything is relative. Is it easy to live? And this check ... Nobody forbids you to be treated for such an amount either ... Unless, of course, you have it. But what can I explain to you ... We do not even have a maternity ward in our city. I'm serious! I do not live in the taiga. Doctors on a shift from the capital of the region are passing by. 40% of the under-staffing in the hospital, several departments have already closed. To honey. a certificate of the right to do must go to a neighboring city. Despite the fact that we have a full-fledged hospital, with a sharp repair, equipment ...
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 18 December 2017 19: 59 New
            0
            "Is it easy to live with us?" It's easy to live in Russia - probably the easiest in the world.
    4. Alf
      Alf 18 December 2017 23: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      but we have much better products.

      Compare Soviet GOSTs and Russian ones. You will be very surprised.
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      Now our income level is only slightly inferior to Europeans,

      How little? Twice? Three times?
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      I am sure that in the new term Putin will make a sharp leap in the well-being of Russians.

      List of "Russians" Putin did not show?
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      I think that in a year and a half we will exceed the level of Europe.

      In what? Will our salary catch up with their unemployment benefits? Or at prices?
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      salary growth is not what we would like, but it is ahead of prices.

      Do you understand what you said?
      No, I understand everything, of course, the election of the tsar-priest on the nose, it is necessary to lick, but not as clearly.
  9. Sobol
    Sobol 18 December 2017 12: 41 New
    10
    Did you take a poll on Rublevka?
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 18 December 2017 13: 07 New
      0
      Come into ANY house for the New Year - they will treat you everywhere! And not just potatoes. EVERYWHERE!
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 18 December 2017 13: 08 New
      +9
      Quote: SoboL
      Did you take a poll on Rublevka?

      In the State Duma and among the oligarchs ..)
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 18 December 2017 13: 22 New
        +1
        In the State Duma and among the oligarchs ..)


        it was necessary to ask the blacksmith god, the father of Dazhbog. He would answer for the whole Russian
        1. Sergey53
          Sergey53 18 December 2017 14: 16 New
          +2
          You are our oracle
        2. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 14: 44 New
          +3
          smile Petrov Kharosh hope for God, answer already for yourself and not for "Rassiyushku"
  10. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 18 December 2017 12: 41 New
    +2
    Russians save less actively
    RUSSIAN LANGUAGE - the head does not know how.
    xs on the account "save less actively" - I try to spend no more than before.
  11. Alexander War
    Alexander War 18 December 2017 12: 46 New
    +2
    So we only have banks in positive territory and state-owned companies
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 18 December 2017 12: 54 New
      0
      So we only have banks in the black and State companies


      can't be so
      1. Sergey53
        Sergey53 18 December 2017 15: 23 New
        0
        Do you consider this riding communication and commentary?
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 18 December 2017 15: 25 New
          0
          You are our oracle


          I am guided by your limits.
  12. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 18 December 2017 12: 48 New
    +7
    I was always surprised at some types of activity: sociologists, political scientists, marketers, statisticians ..))
    The thesis that people began to spend more is undeniable) because prices are rising by leaps and bounds (
    Here you need to look at WHAT they spend money, people.
    And what are the strata of the population. And it turns out, as with the size of the "neighboring salary" in the country: piled everyone in a heap, and ordinary people and billionaires, divided and counted
    From the evil one ...
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 18 December 2017 13: 12 New
      0
      Pension + salary = you can live and not push. On holiday - champagne.
      No work? - I didn’t study that, change my specialty, and it’s never too late to enter the university, there is no age limit.
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 18 December 2017 13: 29 New
        +5
        Quote: Victor N
        and it’s never too late to enter a university; there is no age limit.
        There is no age, there is a financial one.
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 15: 02 New
        +6
        Quote: Victor N
        Pension + salary = you can live and not push. On holiday - champagne.
        No work? - I didn’t study that, change my specialty, and it’s never too late to enter the university, there is no age limit.

        He studied the wrong way, was born in the wrong country, chose the wrong president, and emphasized that he was not dead in the 90s.
      3. Alf
        Alf 18 December 2017 23: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Victor N
        Not studied that, change a specialty

        Yes, yes, one already advised to go into business.
  13. asiat_61
    asiat_61 18 December 2017 13: 26 New
    0
    And, what was it like? What for?
  14. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 18 December 2017 13: 33 New
    0
    Evaluation of the prospects for economic development is still controversial: about a third of the population believes that the situation will not worsen anymore, and about the same proportion allows for the situation to deteriorate for two years or longer.

    Pessimist (sad and sad): it cannot be worse anymore ...
    Optimist (joyfully): how else can !!!
  15. VladGashek
    VladGashek 18 December 2017 13: 50 New
    +2
    Important? Who interviewed? Who was interviewed? What a checklist was; posing questions, answer options. Who did the analysis of the social survey. You can trust the materials of sociology with a great deal of naivety. The survey does not provide an answer to the problem, but rather programs the desired behavior of the crowd.
  16. Wlad
    Wlad 18 December 2017 13: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: c-Petrov
    The average salary in Germany is about 2500 euros, in Russia 460 euros.


    let's get the cost of the kindergarten then, utilities, water and much more. How much does a German citizen give to the state taxes

    And yes. In Germany, gasoline costs 100 rubles. Well, two times more expensive than ours.

    It's funny to me to read posts such as where they write how much in Germany or the United States - salary



    in general, leave these stories about heavenly life in the United States or Europe to the alternatively gifted.

    To live well, work hard everywhere. In the USA and Germany first of all, if you are not a refugee of course.

    You write correctly about alternatively gifted ones. My relatives and friends live in Germany and the Czech Republic. You don’t hang me noodles. You have only cheers -pocreatism rushing from all the cracks. But you don’t see reality. Although, maybe this is your job? Then it is clear
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 18 December 2017 14: 07 New
      +2
      He forgot to write that there is insurance medicine, and the state covers almost or all of the expenses from insurance.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 18 December 2017 14: 17 New
        +2
        and the state from insurance covers almost, or all of the costs.


        laughing aha
        1. Sergey53
          Sergey53 18 December 2017 15: 29 New
          +2
          The argument is good. So you will answer me where I wrote and you made such conclusions on them? Or are you just yapping?
    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 18 December 2017 14: 17 New
      +1
      My relatives and friends live in Germany and the Czech Republic. You don’t hang me noodles.


      where is the noodles? Come on specifically. Where did I cheat?)
      1. Sergey53
        Sergey53 18 December 2017 15: 11 New
        +2
        I already wrote to you twice. Time 14.30
  17. rodus
    rodus 18 December 2017 13: 58 New
    +2
    Constitution of the Russian Federation
    Article 9
     
    1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activities of the peoples living in the relevant territory.
    2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.

    USSR Constitution
    Article 11. State property is the common property of the entire Soviet people, the main form of socialist property.

    The exclusive property of the state are: land, its subsoil, water, forests. The state owns the basic means of production in industry, construction and agriculture, means of transport and communications, banks, property of state-owned trade, utilities and other enterprises, the main city housing stock, as well as other property necessary for the fulfillment of state tasks.
  18. fif21
    fif21 18 December 2017 14: 06 New
    +1
    How do I assess the economic situation in the country? recourse If compared with Western countries, everything is bad. Compared to Angola and Afghanistan, all is well. wassat As the doctors say, the patient's condition is stable. And it will improve or worsen depends on us. hi
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 December 2017 20: 05 New
      0
      I assess the economic situation in the country as positive - there are many opportunities for intensive expansion and development, but there are acute problems - there are officials and their inaction throughout the country, as well as a population that forgets what the officials are not doing.
  19. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 14: 19 New
    +1
    Again mom swore that in the country all the chiki-farts! I’m now from the “fields” and have heard so much negativity from those in power !!! I will now send everyone, as local Trolls like to say, “whining”, to vote for Putin.
  20. AleBors
    AleBors 18 December 2017 14: 19 New
    +1
    Well, of course ... Where did this poll take place? I’m sure it will only get worse ...
  21. 1536
    1536 18 December 2017 14: 24 New
    0
    Hundreds of opinion polls can be conducted, but sometimes a single sketch from nature can tell more than 10 research institutes:
    Moscow, morning, one of the railway stations. A train arrived near Moscow. People lined up for access turnstiles, preparing tickets. Security guards are standing next to the turnstiles and make sure that the fare dodgers and the owners of other people's travel documents with benefits do not “leak out”. But here the commanding voice of a powerful guard is heard, which, grabbing a slender decently dressed girl in an armful, does not allow her to go further to the station. "You have a ticket to the previous station, and you are not supposed to go out here, you drove your stop!" The girl stubbornly is silent and tries to break out of the Ryazan-Vladimir capture. But it was not there. A security guard pushed the stowaway back through the glass doors of the turnstile with a cry: "Go and pay the fare!". Legal requirement. However, immediately there begins to intercede for the girl, an old sack woman, who can be mistaken for a homeless person, but she is very legally savvy: "You have no right to grab the hands of passengers!" she shouts to the guard. - "Now we will witness your arbitrariness." A girl comes up to the security guard with a creative look and begins to explain something to her, probably, that within 500 days, if she doesn’t die, she will go on trial for persecuting an unfortunate passenger who “accidentally” passed her stop, and the whole progressive public the capital will witness how human rights are violated in Russia. By the way, who knows, on the platform you can go to the station and bypass the turnstile and security. That's the whole economy, and in just a minute and a half.
  22. Wlad
    Wlad 18 December 2017 14: 32 New
    +7
    Quote: LSA57
    Quote: Finches
    how not to see elementary things

    cross the road with closed eyes. traffic jams on the roads!!! completely foreign cars !!! near houses do not pass because of cars !!! it used to be luxury, now it’s everyday life. Before any were glad, now choose from hundreds of options !! and we all live badly

    The average age of a passenger car in Russia is 12,5 years. That is, the majority - junk, and even bought on credit. How many percent of the population are in debt to banks, I hope you find yourself? Many work tens of kilometers from home (and go into loans), because work for 20 tr for many, it’s a great success.
    1. Finches
      Finches 18 December 2017 18: 16 New
      0
      Navalny will come and the cars will be thrown into the trash after three months of operation, because it is not comme il faut! laughing
  23. spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 18 December 2017 14: 37 New
    +5
    Again polls hang noodles on the ears. As for trade, I see that people have begun to buy less, for fuel prices — they are growing every day, for communal apartments — gas has risen in price, water too. Salaries do not grow. Is this inspiring optimism? Only Vova-Krasnosnyshka and others like him breathe optimism.
  24. Yasen Ping
    Yasen Ping 18 December 2017 17: 46 New
    +1
    Putin must leave, but as always, we will have a choice without a choice, either Putin or horseradish understand who .... And in the meantime, we have merged criminals with state bodies, plus the courts, which in themselves, plus banks that simply rob, without saying already about what we are investing in the American economy .. Putin has two achievements ... Crimea and Syria ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 December 2017 20: 16 New
      0
      Putin’s achievements: Crimea, Syria, cleared of militants and rebuilt Chechnya, modern army, Rosguard, take-off of agriculture, energy, engineering, gold and currency reserves, 2,5% inflation, one of the lowest government debts in the world, the most protected state from terrorists The FSB eats its bread for nothing, tens of thousands of factories and factories built from 2000 to 2017, and also GDP growth for this period - from 13 trillion to 92 trillion rubles this year.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 18 December 2017 21: 07 New
        +4
        And you count PPP per capita, and then immediately everything will become not so joyful! And even very deplorable. Especially touched about tens of thousands of factories and plants !! Where do you see them?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 December 2017 00: 30 New
          0
          One production and one repair base, out of these tens of thousands, mine are being built all over Russia, but the country is huge, not everyone sees this - take an interest in it yourself. PPS 27000 bucks in rubles 1566000 - not a little.
        2. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 19 December 2017 09: 48 New
          +2
          smile Do not be surprised, Vadim sees gophers that are not there.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 December 2017 00: 16 New
            0
            I see everything that happens in reality - people including me create, build, improve, calculate - but you are not capable of it in the process, that's why you gopher the gopher gardens, because you yourself have become a gopher long ago.
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 20 December 2017 09: 34 New
              +1
              And I see that you have zero arguments! Touched about the takeoff of engineering, energy and agricultural. Rosstat do not want to see, I watched, not a word about takeoff! Regarding inflation, you know the best argument would be to lower prices in stores!
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 22 December 2017 17: 04 New
                0
                For me, the best take-off argument is that there is a 20% increase in orders for products for machine builders in 2017, compared with the 2016th year and, accordingly, the introduction of new industries, from the smallest to the largest - in all areas of society http: //www.moderniz .ru /
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 22 December 2017 18: 13 New
                  0
                  Vadim, I already wrote to you above: if everything at your enterprise is good, then all over the country not everything is so rosy! And often complete ... oops! I know this site as well as Made with us. But I repeat often the piece products there have never been industrial production on a good scale, respectively, and the price is not very. And most of this is an aggregate screwdriver assembly without the transfer and subsequent development of new technologies in the field.
  25. Finches
    Finches 18 December 2017 17: 59 New
    +1
    andrej-shironov,
    Truth is true! Do not play with words .... I’ve already left the age of "soaring", how to win, will not forget to invite!
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 19 December 2017 10: 53 New
      0
      smile Zyablitsov, why aren’t you responding in the same branch? Think I do not read! And about the pun, you can tell yourself this, I'm talking about a post with ... opa. Reread it again and much will be revealed to you.
  26. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 18 December 2017 21: 30 New
    +2
    TV story:
    The camera door opens, Ulyukaev comes in with a folded mattress under his arm.
    "Good to you in the hut! Greva from the will, tramps!"
    With these words, the next meeting in Lefortovo was launched by Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev with the governors of Sakhalin, Komi, the Kirov Region, the head of the FSIN, the deputy minister of culture, the leadership of the Investigative Committee and the colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ....
    1. Romulus
      Romulus 20 December 2017 09: 42 New
      0
      Quote: vladimirvn
      With these words, the next meeting in Lefortovo was launched by Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev with the governors of Sakhalin, Komi, the Kirov Region, the head of the FSIN, the deputy minister of culture, the leadership of the Investigative Committee and the colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ....

      Not enough for 17 years in power? Fingers enough ... wassat
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 20 December 2017 09: 51 New
        +7
        Quote: Romulus
        Not enough for 17 years in power? Fingers are enough.

        This is a "large". smaller - much more will be yes
        Hello to nursing mom wink
        1. Romulus
          Romulus 20 December 2017 10: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          smaller - much more will be

          Ett, you definitely noticed Roma himself understand - the main corrupt people we have are doctors and teachers)
          Py sy. huh is there a nursing mom?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 20 December 2017 10: 06 New
            +7
            Quote: Romulus
            Roma ...

            ... I'm for mom. For others, Roman.
            Quote: Romulus
            the main corrupt people are doctors and teachers

            Under osoboye_mneniye hike, hike. I suggest - no, not them.
            Quote: Romulus
            Py sy. huh is there a nursing mom?

            If you Romulus, it’s a shame for you not to know who nourished you and your brother Rem laughing
            1. Romulus
              Romulus 20 December 2017 10: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Under osoboye_mneniye Zakos, camping. I suggest - no, not them.

              The Lord is with you what kind of zakos? Life and statistics, all that)

              Quote: Golovan Jack
              If you are romulus, then you are ashamed not to know who nourished you and your brother Rem

              Complicated analogy yes aah ... orphan me crying unfortunately.
              Have you looked at the antipodes? From Cat Manula to G. Jack?
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 20 December 2017 10: 15 New
                +7
                Quote: groks
                Trollism. Tied up.
            2. Karen
              Karen 20 December 2017 18: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack

              If you Romulus, it’s a shame for you not to know who nourished you and your brother Rem laughing

              Big Jack!
              In the magazine, it seems, “Seekers” for about 55g., Read in childhood a little novel “Time Machine” about these brothers ... I liked it so much that I rewrote it. Yes.
              ______
              By the way, looking at casual fresh comments, only by the last words can I calmly figure out yours from them. :)
  27. xBoris
    xBoris 18 December 2017 22: 58 New
    +2
    That's interesting, where do they conduct polls .. ?? !!
    Prices for everything !!!! ALL!!! food products have grown exactly two times in comparison with 2014.
    Pensions and salaries "increased" - .. by 0,000 ??? %
    And after that, they suggest me to believe that we began to spend more .. ??
    Of course, we began to spend more, we need to live, we need to eat, we need to dress .. As soon as it costs twice as much, we spend only 20% more ..
    Question to SUPEReknomists - where else is 80% .. ??? Goods are then 100% more expensive.
    In my opinion, this only says that they began to buy cheaper products.
  28. Patriot2012
    Patriot2012 18 December 2017 23: 22 New
    0
    http://v1.ru/text/gorod/377631094947840.html?from
    = yawidgetrss
    and pensioners every day richer)))
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 18 December 2017 23: 41 New
      +2
      Undoubtedly. But there is a problem. Power does not respect a person. If I respected .... When there is money for medicine, science. Yes, just improve the quality of life. I am ashamed. What are you tsar and boyars here PR.
  29. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 19 December 2017 01: 01 New
    0
    Russians save less actively

    who has the opportunity to save? Well, if only for the funeral ... a holy cause.
  30. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 19 December 2017 01: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    tens of thousands of factories and plants built with

    Are you talking about Stalin's industrialization? It really happened ... and now only the screech of a saw across Russia is heard - the rats are sawing the budget!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 December 2017 00: 17 New
      0
      Someone steals, the rest are busy with business - they build and work, so everywhere, in the whole world.
  31. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 19 December 2017 01: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    acute problems take place

    if someone ... here and there ... sometimes.
    And the rest, beautiful Marquise, everything is fine - everything is harasho!
    1. Alf
      Alf 19 December 2017 18: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: kunstkammer
      And the rest, beautiful Marquise, everything is fine - everything is harasho!

      Especially when you watch Channel One. Sometimes you watch it and think, It seems that virtual reality has not yet been created, but these ... bad people live in it.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 December 2017 00: 20 New
      0
      Everything is good for those who work - for themselves.