Italian combat training aircraft M-346 will be a light fighter

Italian combat training aircraft M-346 makes successful steps in the direction of a light fighter. According to the portal flightglobal.com, Leonardo has tested air-to-air AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles on an M-346FA (Fighter Attack) aircraft.

Aircraft M-346 was designed as a training, but thanks to the successful design will also be produced in the modification of the light fighter.

The test launch of the AIM-9L Sidewinder rocket with the M-346FA took place at the Salto di Quirra test site on the island of Sardinia. The rocket separated from the aircraft at an altitude of 1500 m and speed 1000 km / h. In Leonardo indicate that the launch was in accordance with the forecasts and is considered successful. Earlier on M-346FA bombs dropped and fired from a suspended gun.

The Leonardo company declares that the M-346FA can be used as an aircraft for training combat pilots aviationas well as a light fighter or reconnaissance aircraft. The aircraft is equipped with a multi-mode Grifo radar, electronic warfare system, reconnaissance module, as well as seven points for the installation of air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons with a total mass of up to 2 tons. The developers call the M-346FA the ideal solution for countries that need inexpensive combat aircraft with low cost of operation.

Training aircraft M-346 was designed by the Russian JSC "Experimental Design Bureau named. A. S. Yakovlev, together with the Italian company L'Alenia Aermacchi. Due to disagreements between the partners, the development of the model ceased at the final stage, and each of the companies received documentation of the basic version of the future aircraft (glider). After that, both companies released their own models: M-346 (L'Alenia Aermacchi) and Yak-130 (Yakovlev Design Bureau). The first flight of the M-346 took place on July 15 of the year 2004, and its mass production began in the year 2010. Today, the machine is used to train pilots in Italy, Singapore, Israel and Poland. The length of the M-346 is 11,5 m, the wingspan is 9,7 m. The mass of the empty aircraft is 4,6 t, the maximum take-off weight is 9,5 t. The machine is capable of reaching speeds up to 1060 km. The crew of the M-13,7 consists of two people.

Comments

[Andrey K]

Italian combat training aircraft M-346 will be a light fighter

This is the same plane on which the Italians technically, in fact, "lit" us ...

... Due to disagreements between partners, the development of the model stopped at the final stage ...

The story is old, but revealing. The Italians get involved in the development of the Yak-130, since frankly, the school in the design of gliders is rather weak, and to be more precise, none ...
By the time the development is completed, "disagreements" are being inspired and Italians with our drawings will organize the assembly and promotion of their "M-346" aircraft on the foreign market ...
No industrial espionage, everything is European "honestly" ...
Kidalovo performed by Italians ...

[Chertt]

Quote: Andrey K

Kidalovo performed by Italians ..

As they say, not everything is so simple. Yakovlev Design Bureau, in those days, the financial situation was critical. And this project may have saved a talented team.

[Lexus]

There, the Chinese "participated" - Hongdu L-15.

Only they put the afterburner engines, and we got a supersonic TCB.

[Dzungar]

There were also Koreans ....

[Pivot]

The Italians are the most cunning ... I am a nation in Europe, it is better not to have business with them, but it's worth studying.

[donavi49]

Well, without that money, perhaps the Yak-130 would have remained a prototype, and the MO would have taken the path of modernization of the L-39, or would have chosen the MiG-AT.

[Professor]

Quote: Andrey K

This is the same plane on which the Italians technically, in fact, "lit" us ...

Diluted? Consult the court. As far as I know, all the conditions of the contract were met.

[ultra]

Have you read this contract?

[Professor]

Quote: ultra

Have you read this contract?

Neither the Russian side, nor the Italian side even stuttered about the violation of the contract by the opposite side.

[Pivot]

It would be interesting to see a joint project between Israel and Italy. Here there would be a real blockbuster could be removed.

[Professor]

Quote: Pivot

It would be interesting to see a joint project between Israel and Italy. Here there would be a real blockbuster could be removed.

Italian M-346 with Israeli avionics. Start writing a script.

[Pivot]

The denouement will be unexpected and unpredictable.

[FLOOD]

and this is Azerbaijani ... well ... that the script was exciting))

[ZVO]

Quote: Andrey K

This is the same plane on which the Italians technically, in fact, "lit" us ...
... The story is old, but revealing. The Italians get involved in the development of the Yak-130, since, frankly, the school in the design of gliders is rather weak, and to be more precise, none ...
By the time the development is completed, "disagreements" are being inspired and Italians with our drawings will organize the assembly and promotion of their "M-346" aircraft on the foreign market ...
No industrial espionage, everything is European "honestly" ...
Kidalovo performed by Italians ...

Did you even read about Italian Aermacchi?
She supplied half of the globe with her TCB ...
And the question of who stole what and from whom - in this case, is not worth it.
Italians have done more than half the work.
Read the words of the chief designer of the design bureau Yakovlev for this aircraft.
That would not plunge so hard into the dirt face. as you did now.

[Andrey K]

Quote: ZVO

Did you even read about Italian Aermacchi?
She supplied half of the globe with her TCB ...
And the question of who stole what and from whom - in this case, is not worth it.
Italians have done more than half the work.
Read the words of the chief designer of the design bureau Yakovlev for this aircraft.
That would not plunge so hard into the dirt face. as you did now.

Have you read or heard about OKB them. A. S. Yakovleva?
The activity of L'Alenia Aermacchi interests me insofar as, more precisely, it does not interest me. And so that you do not worry about the dirt (this is your right) and my face (this is no longer your business), I would advise you to carefully read my comment ...
I pointed out that, having started a "disagreement", they came out of an agreement with an already completed glider, our glider, if that ...
The Italians did not do any work, invested money, but did not work to work ...
Do not invent for me what I did not say. There was no talk of theft, it was a scam when using the work of our specialists.
Do not plunge into the dirt with your face, creating dirt where it did not exist. Do not start a conversation with shuffling phrases

[ZVO]

Quote: Andrey K

The Italians did not do any work, invested money, but did not work to work ...

Popovich Konstantin Fedorovich, chief designer of design bureau Yakovlev.
The Yak-130D fully met the expectations of its creators. However, now the partners faced the task of developing exactly the aircraft that is expected of them. But then it became completely clear that Russian and Italian customers want to see completely different cars. In particular, the Russian Air Force refused to accept aircraft with imported components, and Italians refused to accept aircraft manufactured in the CIS countries.
Do you understand what is written here?
Let's continue.
As a result, after some time, two very similar aircraft appeared on the world market: the Russian Yak-130 and the Italian Aeromachhi M 346. The glider is almost identical for both, but the equipment, materials, engines are significantly different. Roughly speaking, we did not create an airplane, but a general concept, and then each developed it in the interests of the national air force
So see?
What are 2 different aircraft in total ???
Let's continue.
In August 1997, the new Yak was successfully demonstrated in the flight program of the Moscow Air Show. By that time, it had already completed about one and a half hundred flights, a significant part of which took place in Italy. Here's how Konstantin Popovich talks about it: Over 5 years of working together with Ermakki, we conducted a huge amount of flight tests on the excellent flight base of this company. The pace of flights was very high - 120 flights in six months. Telemetry equipment was installed on board the aircraft, and real-time flight parameters were immediately processed on the ground

In your opinion, the Italians did nothing ...
And their school is "weak" in your own words ...
So you're lying and dodging much, but with knowledge - you have a tight ...
And about the "invested money" - you also know nothing ...
And about "having started a disagreement" - you are also lying again ...

Who will believe you now?

[Andrey K]

ZVO

Popovich Konstantin Fedorovich, chief designer of design bureau Yakovlev.
The Yak-130D fully met the expectations of its creators ...
... In particular, the Russian Air Force refused to accept an aircraft with imported components, and Italians refused to accept aircraft manufactured in the CIS countries ...
... Do you understand what is written here? ...

.
You probably read the texts from the bottom up
I’m talking about a glider, and you tell me about avionics, we read:

...The glider of both is almost identical, but the equipment, materials, engines are significantly different. Roughly speaking, we did not create a plane, but a general concept, and then each developed it in the interests of the national air force ...

So see?
What are 2 different aircraft in total ???

Reinforced concrete logic
As a result: the same glider, later the Italians put their avionics on their own, ours on their own.
Conclusion: Italians "bred" OKB them. A.S. Yakovleva on the glider and putting his avionics called the plane M-346 ...
And so on and so forth and so forth ...
The Italians have a problem with the glider, which they solved at the expense of the Yakovlevites. It’s clear how twice two ...

In your opinion, the Italians did nothing ...
And their school is "weak" in your own words ...
And about the "invested money" - you also know nothing ...
And about "having started a disagreement" - you are also lying again ...

I repeat:
The Italians did not do any work, invested money, but did not work to work ...
The school in the design of gliders is rather weak, and to be more precise, none ...
Having started "disagreements", the Italians withdrew from the agreement with the already prepared, our, Russian glider ...

So you're lying and dodging much, but with knowledge - you have a tight ...
Who will believe you now?

My friend, in my opinion you are crossing the line of what is permitted ...
Unlike you, I know what I'm writing about and the texts of documents I read as it is written, and not as I want.
It’s not for you to judge my knowledge ...
Use your abilities to turn everything upside down with your own kind ...
And the last - I didn’t go at the same table with you and didn’t sit down on the same field, you will click on YOU at home ...

[ZVO]

Quote: Andrey K

Use your abilities to turn everything upside down with your own kind ...

Once again I repeat what you ignored ...

For 5 years of working together with Ermakki, we conducted a huge amount of flight tests on the excellent flight base of this company. The pace of flights was very high - 120 flights in six months. Telemetry equipment was installed on board the aircraft, and real-time flight parameters were immediately processed on the ground.
The rest will see for themselves. who is lying ...

[Andrey K]

It reads:

... carried out a huge amount of flight tests on the excellent flight base of this company ...
... Telemetry equipment was installed on board the aircraft, and real-time processing of flight parameters was immediately carried out on the ground ...

From this information, it is clear that the Italians provided an aerodrome for testing.
And that's all.
Sami flight tests, equipment, information processing - at the OKB specialists. A.S. Yakovleva.

[Grits]

The Italians did not do any work, invested money, but did not work to work ...
And why did they have to work if they stupidly gave money for this work? So no kidalov, all honestly. As a result, we created a plane for both of them and ourselves. Otherwise there would be no Yak-130

[aszzz888]

... that is, the same Yak-130 ...

[Nukesmoke]

BGG ... UBS initial, suddenly becomes UBS :))))

[Genry]

Quote: Nukesmoke

BGG ... UBS initial, suddenly becomes UBS :))))

[KP8789]

They only test, and the Yak-130 has long had the opportunity to use air-to-air missiles.

[donavi49]

Any aircraft can run according to the visual. Valued M346 too.

However, in M346 - a fighter, the innovative one of the most compact radars in the world (and in the future MicroVixen from Leonardo - that is, AFAR) is shoved in. Yak has no such prospect.

[ultra]

Quote: donavi49

. Yak has no such prospect.

Why does he need such a prospect?

[donavi49]

Well, the presence of all sorts of Combat Air Tractors, Sesno-Helfaers and other SuperTukano is quite easy to explain. It is really profitable. Platform for a heap of weapons, a stable multi-mode optical system. Cheap flying hour. That is, he can patrol at 4-5km - the broads identified by the multi-mode system, or he can take or aim adult planes himself. A sort of heavy shock UAV for the poor.

So these fighters really raise questions. What for? If you collect small air forces on a limited budget, it will be much more interesting to have the cheapest TCBs (at least the K8 digger, at least used ElKs, at least the same Anchors, but they are already more expensive) + at least modernized or budget-new MFIs.

A plane with air combat capabilities, well-developed architecture (to hook containers, controlled bombs, etc.) sharply rises in price, and its flight hour also rises in price. At the same time, if a separate MFI says, it flies 100-140 hours a year, then UBS with a high cost of an hour will fly 300-400 hours a year. Or, in addition to such UBS, buy the same K8 shrews with a penny hour, and store these UBS in the hangar and blow off dust particles, maintaining a raid of ~ 100 hours. But again - where is the point?

[Grits]

The Yak-130 really does not have a radar, unlike the Italian. That is why it can be neither a light fighter nor a light attack aircraft, as many would like.

[ZVO]

Quote: KP8789

They only test, and the Yak-130 has long had the opportunity to use air-to-air missiles.

You are confused.
Belarusians had firing at luminous bombs of the SAB-250 type ...
The IR-GOS R-73 captured such a bright target, and then only one rocket took ...

The Italians equipped their version of the aircraft with a full-fledged radar with AFAR, which is a very big difference ...

[KP8789]

ZVO
You are confused.
Belarusians had firing at luminous bombs of the SAB-250 type ...
The IR-GOS R-73 captured such a bright target, and then only one rocket took ...
The Italians equipped their version of the aircraft with a full-fledged radar with AFAR, which is a very big difference ...

For the use of short-range missiles with IR-GSN radar is not needed. Hit one rocket does not mean anything, there can be many reasons. For example, old rockets of the Soviet period. Naturally, they will be used primarily in training firing.
It is impractical to install the radar on the UBS due to the high cost. Given the range of the Yak-130, it is more logical to direct the aircraft at the target using ground control.
UBS with a radar as a light fighter is suitable for countries incapable of acquiring a full fighter and not having a developed ground control system and target designation.

[donavi49]

Not. It’s more profitable to buy a K8 thread to fly around the pilots. And IFIs.

They will ask for the shock version of UBS - 32 Lama. If you finish a little (4-5 lyamov), then you can take Su-30МК2.

Moreover, for 30 lyam right now, you can take JF-17 block 2 - the Chinese will also lend. And this is a full-fledged aircraft. With a cheap flying hour. With a good, full-sized radar. With a bunch of everything mounted from anti-ship missiles to long-range BB missiles. And if you wait a bit, then there will be a 3 block with AFAR for ~ 35 lyamov.

[voyaka uh]

Yes, the plane is a sweetie. "Budget" F-16 turned out to be a success.

[Nukesmoke]

1) We take the plane with this opportunity.
2) R&D is already underway.
3) We give in the army on the paw specialists.
4) They drip on the ears of the leadership of the Air Force.
5) The Air Force asks to make UBS UBS.
6) The Ministry of Defense asks the company to do what has been done for money.
7) PROFIT!

[Magic archer]

A more powerful engine would also be put on the Yak radar. And you get a full-fledged light fighter

[Nukesmoke]

Question - why?

[NEOZ]

a fighter that cannot overcome the speed of sound?
exterminate turntables and maize .....

[Magic archer]

And why not?! For third world countries it’s just right for export! Especially it will still be possible to train pilots on it! And if you count the entire range of ammunition that you can sell with it, it’ll not turn out badly. Italians most likely count on this

[NEOZ]

from the wiki:
the cost of m346 is $ 30 million
characteristics at the level of a 3rd generation fighter (L15 with afterburner)
tasks of front-line fighter aircraft:
1. the destruction of enemy aircraft in the interests of gaining dominance - which aircraft can destroy the M346?
2. cover for troops, other types and branches of aviation, objects of the rear front - from what danger in the air can the M346 cover?
3. aerial reconnaissance - possibly ...
In performing all of these tasks, Fighter Aviation:

destroys enemy aircraft in air battles and at airfields;
does not allow enemy aviation in covered areas;
blocks enemy aircraft at airfields;
accompanies (covers) formations and units of other types and kinds of aviation;
reflects enemy air raids on troops and other objects in the tactical and operational depth of enemy defense;
covers air and sea landing.
Combat operations Fighter aircraft conducts in cooperation with formations and units of other types and arms of aviation, ground forces and naval forces.
How well will the M346 perform these functions? ......
and when compared with competitors (for the price) ......

[Town Hall]

Quote: Magic Archer

And why not?! For third world countries it’s just right for export! Especially it will still be possible to train pilots on it! And if you count the entire range of ammunition that you can sell with it, it’ll not turn out badly. Italians most likely count on this

Israel, Singapore, Poland are the countries of the 3rd world?

[shans2]

Except for Singapore, yes, a strange question. Poland, it is certainly cooler than Moldova even)

[alexsipin]

Quote: shans2

Except for Singapore, yes

It is interesting, and by what criteria do you determine which "world" a country belongs to?

[Professor]

Quote: shans2

Except for Singapore, yes, a strange question. Poland, it is certainly cooler than Moldova even)

Maternal mortality
Poland 3 per 100 (000nd in the world), Russia 182 per 25 (100nd in the world)

Infant mortality
Poland 4.4 per 1 (000nd in the world), Russia 182 per 6.8 (1nd in the world)

average life expectancy
Poland 77.8 years (67th in the world), Russia 71 years (154th in the world)

Average per capita income
Poland $ 27800 (67th place in the world), $ 26500 (72nd place in the world)

Continue?

[KP8789]

Magic archer
And why not?! For third world countries it’s just right for export! Especially it will still be possible to train pilots on it! And if you count the entire range of ammunition that you can sell with it, it’ll not turn out badly. Italians most likely count on this

Town Hall
Israel, Singapore, Poland are the countries of the 3rd world?

Apparently Magic archer meant use as a light fighter. The countries you listed purchased M346 as a TCB.

[alexsipin]

Quote: NEOZ

a fighter that cannot overcome the speed of sound?
exterminate turntables and maize ....

That's it. Without afterburner and with a weak radar, it cannot be used in modern combat. As an attack aircraft, it is also very problematic, high-speed modes are not the same. Training aircraft only. But as a training aircraft, he is beautiful.