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Is the “Turkish Stream” route changed?

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The route of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline, which is currently being built on the section from Russia to Turkey along the Black Sea, will be changed: the pipeline will go from Turkey not to Greece, but to Bulgaria and further to Romania, Hungary, Austria, REGNUM with reference to the Turkish newspaper Habertürk.




“Sudden changes were made to a pre-approved route. According to these changes, the pipeline will not go to Greece, and from Turkey it will be sent to Bulgaria and from there further to Europe, ”the newspaper writes.

According to the report, “changes in the pipeline’s route were discussed at the Turkish Ministry of Energy, after which Bulgaria, which is currently in the process of preparing the project, was notified of this at a high level.”

The information was confirmed by the Prime Minister of Bulgaria, Boyko Borisov, adding that this is also known to the chairman of the European Council, Donald Tusk, and the head of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker.

In the office of Juncker lies exactly such a scheme of the "Turkish stream",
Borisov told reporters.

He recalled that Russian gas is currently flowing to Turkey through Ukraine and Bulgaria, but with the launch of the Turkish Stream, transit along these routes will be stopped.

In order not to leave the pipes empty, we agreed with the leadership of Turkey and with President Vladimir Putin, we agreed on the transit of 10 billion cubic meters of gas for Serbia and 1 billion cubic meters for Macedonia. By 1 July 2018, our interconnector with Turkey with a volume of 16 billion cubic meters should be ready,
added the prime minister.

When asked whether there is a possibility that the Turkish Stream will follow the route of the South Stream gas pipeline project and reach Varna, Boyko Borisov replied:

We work in such a way as to direct it directly to the gas hub.


He explained that “we are not talking about gas transit through Bulgaria, but about trading it through a gas hub near Varna, to which fuel will have to come both from the Turkish Stream gas pipeline, and from Romania, Greece, and even from the fields being developed so far. on the Bulgarian Black Sea shelf. ”

It is there that trade will be carried out, and from there gas will be supplied through our highways to Thessaloniki, Skopje, Belgrade and further to Hungary and Austria,
clarified Borisov.

The publication reminds that Bulgaria is implementing a project to unite its gas transmission network with the networks of neighboring countries through the construction of gas interconnectors. Work on them are in varying degrees of readiness. The construction of the inter-system gas connection between Bulgaria and Romania was completed in the autumn of 2016, in 2018 it is planned to complete the construction of a gas pipeline between Bulgaria and Greece, and by 2020 - a similar gas pipeline with Serbia.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 December 2017 09: 31 New
    +1
    According to the report, “changes in the route of the gas pipeline were discussed at the Turkish Ministry of Energy, after which about this at a high level was notified Bulgaria,

    ... a strange wording - "was notified" ... but what, permission from Bulgaria is not required? request
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 18 December 2017 09: 39 New
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      Quote: aszzz888
      and what, permission from Bulgaria is not required?

      If you remember, the South Stream, which was replaced by the Turkish Stream, was blocked by Bulgaria, which, incidentally, lost a lot of money. Here are the "adult uncles" and decided more, not to be interested in the opinion of the "brothers"
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 18 December 2017 09: 59 New
        0
        .
        was blocked by Bulgaria
        ... quite right, therefore, this wording of the question surprises me ... and why only now you can just “notify”? request
        1. passerby5
          passerby5 18 December 2017 10: 11 New
          +3
          or maybe they already tearfully asked, well, and then they were notified, that yes, we will do it as you plead)))
          1. Andrey Skokovsky
            Andrey Skokovsky 18 December 2017 10: 28 New
            +6
            Who knows, this is politics, perhaps in this case it’s not Russian at all, but more than Turkish,
            they are Turkey and Greece are not a little friends, and Erdogan did not follow from Europe, he could also correct future partners in the pipeline .....
            1. My doctor
              My doctor 18 December 2017 11: 16 New
              +3
              Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
              Who knows, this is politics, perhaps in this case it’s not Russian at all, but more than Turkish,
              they are Turkey and Greece are not a little friends, and Erdogan did not follow from Europe, he could also correct future partners in the pipeline ..

              It should also be added that Bulgaria is part of the Ottoman Empire. In Istanbul, most residents are of Slavic appearance. I wanted to write nationality, but it is not right in Turkey by law there is only one nation - the Turks.
              1. Sargas
                Sargas 18 December 2017 17: 01 New
                +1
                So a nation, by definition, is citizenship, not ethnicity. The same Turks, the same French ... Therefore, the Dagas are also called Russian there, that this is citizenship.

                I don’t know why, but starting with Lenin in Russia the meanings of terms, for example, nationality and nationalism, are being replaced.
        2. ibn.shamai
          ibn.shamai 18 December 2017 10: 43 New
          +2
          So the Bulgarians themselves asked for this route. After all, they lost the South Stream not of their own free will!
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 18 December 2017 16: 35 New
            +2
            His weighty word has not yet been pronounced by the main gazotyr)
        3. Chertt
          Chertt 18 December 2017 10: 43 New
          +5
          Quote: aszzz888
          why only now you can just "notify"?

          When the Bulgarians said "do not want" South Stream. The Russian negotiators appealed to higher authorities than the Bulgarian government (therefore, by the way, they did not begin to export the pipes). so, not wanting to be a subject of international relations, Bulgaria became an object
        4. alatanas
          alatanas 18 December 2017 14: 47 New
          +3
          Not by Bulgaria, but by the EUROPEAN COMMISSION, because of the non-compliance with the conditions of the "third operator", which Bulgaria, as a member of the EU, must comply with, or would lose all European subsidies.
      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 18 December 2017 10: 10 New
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        What is being twisted muddied with these streams what Well, the "bros" have already shown their "negotiability", why again step on the same rake? request
        1. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 18 December 2017 10: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: 79807420129
          What is being twisted muddied with these streams what Well, the "bros" have already shown their "negotiability", why again step on the same rake? request
          Sadly, ..... along the way, Russia compromised. With all, though, first of all, with Iran. Take a look at the picture of building another scandalous pipeline (Nabucco). Much will become clear. Bulgarians have nothing to do with it.
          1. pytar
            pytar 18 December 2017 10: 34 New
            +3
            Bulgaria closes in its territory all gas pipelines passing through Southeastern Europe! good We are talking about several more gas pipelines that are at different stages of implementation. Getting around Bulgaria is expensive and technically difficult. That's why, despite the wild howl in the media, the Bulgarian government remained calm and continued to work on the situation! wink
            1. nadezhiva
              nadezhiva 18 December 2017 10: 44 New
              +4
              What are ALL gas pipelines? Forget about the mythical Bulgarian lobby. EVERYTHING will be in Turkey, after the Ukrainian GTS crumbles from old age and from stupidity. Nothing prevented the Turkish stream from going to Greece. Nothing at all. Except one. Iran’s desires to send its gas to Europe. Now you can talk about optimization as much as you like, but nothing is visible here besides the "friendship" with Iran. Well, Turkey has everything in chocolate.
              1. pytar
                pytar 18 December 2017 10: 59 New
                +2
                What are ALL gas pipelines?

                There is nothing to rush. The time will come and you will find out more unexpected news. laughing
                1. hrych
                  hrych 18 December 2017 22: 14 New
                  +2
                  Quote: pytar
                  There is nothing to rush. The time will come and you will find out more unexpected news

                  What is there to learn? wassat The southern stream went straight to Bulgaria, and now through the Turks and you rejoice laughing And what remains of the Turks? And the price will be what, taking into account Turkish transit, or what? You forgot the main news of this article; Russian gas went through western you to western Turkey wassat
                  He recalled that Russian gas is currently supplied to Turkey through Ukraine and Bulgaria, but with the launch of the Turkish Stream transit on these routes will be discontinued.
                  And suddenly joy became with sadness wassat A kayuk transits to Turkey, but whether it goes back is an open question, while even Turkey itself is lacking flow branches wassat
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 19 December 2017 09: 45 New
                    +2
                    Gazprom abandoned UP. Discussing it is pointless. The joy of having a new project in his place. It has its advantages. You do not worry about the price of gas. Bulgaria is not a big consumer and gas will come from several directions, so we are well off. The diversification of suppliers eliminates the ability of monopolists to dictate prices. In addition, the development of its own sources, guarantees the country in times of crisis. I don’t understand all the fuss and petty gloating that some here demonstrate! We already have 19% of energy consumption provided by our own renewable sources and the percentage will increase. At the same time, a large-scale energy conservation program is underway. Bulgaria is developing pretty well and everything will be fine!
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 19 December 2017 09: 58 New
                      +1
                      Quote: pytar
                      19% of energy consumption is provided by own renewable sources and the percentage will increase

                      In more detail, especially considering the closure of nuclear power plants, you will soon be purchasing electricity from the Turks. At the expense of gloating, you are in a hostile bloc directed against us, therefore you are our enemies, during the war we will hit you with nuclear missiles, and nothing personal.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 19 December 2017 11: 09 New
                        +2
                        And in more detail about what "closure of the nuclear power plant" say ??? You obviously have "information" from a parallel world ... laughing
                        Yes, you have “enemies”. So you will watch less at home. wink
                        Nothing personal, but ... with no nuclear missiles, hit nobody. Only a crazy person can blow up a planet. And you grunt nobody will allow the red button! Do not even hope! laughing
                    2. hrych
                      hrych 19 December 2017 11: 34 New
                      +1
                      Quote: pytar
                      Only a crazy person can blow up a planet

                      Well, not a planet, so, accumulations of living technology, maybe infrastructure laughing Just testing this type of weapon, a couple of thousand explosions were carried out, including very powerful ones, nothing happened to the Planet. You have already been in a hostile bloc more than once. They fought for the Wehrmacht (very lousy), and worked for the enemy’s economy, so you don’t get used to it, you just don’t understand one thing, you’re sure that being in a hostile block now automatically records you in the flight missions of our missiles and the button needed, everything is done automatically, it is possible that we will smash you by mistake laughing To be honest, we do not regret the Ukrainians, war is war, we are not like that. And naturally, the Bulgarians, who are far from us in every sense, do not intend to spare, especially the SPRN computer systems do not care about Slavophilism, Balkanism and other nonsense, for which we were "thanked". If there is still a limited war in Europe and so, an easy exchange of tactical attacks, then the unreasonable Central Europe will also be the battlefield. By the way, if it doesn’t reach, then the jokes are still over, ask the Ukrainians, they will say am
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 19 December 2017 12: 17 New
                        +2
                        grunt, extrude with computer shooting games and return to the real world. laughing In addition, saying “we” on behalf of the entire Russian Federation and the authorities seems inadequate. Believe me! lol
                    3. hrych
                      hrych 19 December 2017 12: 24 New
                      +1
                      Quote: pytar
                      say "we" on behalf of the whole of Russia and the authorities, looks inadequate

                      Type from all Great and Indivisible Bulgaria can broadcast laughing We, citizens, we are tax payers, we serve the Russian Federation, so everything is fine. I’m not speaking for myself, everything is extremely simple, there is NATO, there is AntiNato, if you are a part of it, you obey it, with which we will be alright, look for Orthodox roots, etc. I repeat, everything is done quickly, SPRN gives the command and go, once yours haplogroups on the Slavs and Bashibuzuk divide, once you look at the correspondence of your writings, God will understand lol
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 19 December 2017 12: 42 New
                        +2
                        I always speak in my own name and express my personal opinion. And you hrych , Th that "Great" flew - we, we, we ..! Have you ever asked anyone else? lol Yet... God's third order: Do not pronounce in the empty name of the Lord your God.
            2. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 19 December 2017 03: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: pytar
              closes all gas pipelines in its territory

              Since Bulgaria is not a sovereign country, your joy is premature, and this circumstance can play a cruel joke with the country !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
              1. pytar
                pytar 19 December 2017 09: 54 New
                +2
                Bulgaria is a sovereign country, as if someone did not like it. But we are not isolated from the world! There are no completely independent countries in the world. Putin himself UTB says! Well, if not at the expense of North Korea, and it is not entirely independent.
                All kinds of evil jokes are possible from all ... Nothing is predetermined, so it’s not worth worrying in advance. And it's better to see what is in your home, instead of recharging the gloating because of the stobor! laughing
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 19 December 2017 19: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: pytar
                  Bulgaria is a sovereign country,

                  I advise you to stop arriving in parallel reality with Ukrainians !!!! wassat wassat lol lol lol
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 19 December 2017 19: 45 New
                    +2
                    I advise you to stop arriving in parallel reality with Ukrainians !!!!

                    "Tips" from a parallel universe are not accepted. Yes, and I am not interested in the "Khokhlah." request
          2. Stabilization
            Stabilization 18 December 2017 10: 55 New
            +2
            Nabuki has nothing to fill with)) and since all the rules, yes
            1. nadezhiva
              nadezhiva 18 December 2017 14: 05 New
              +1
              Quote: Stabilization
              Nabuki has nothing to fill with)) and since all the rules, yes

              Without extra digits, but it seems intelligible.

              1. andj61
                andj61 18 December 2017 14: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: nadezhiva
                Without extra digits, but it seems intelligible.

                Given the current low prices for hydrocarbons, no one wants to invest decent funds in this pipeline, and Iran has no money. And the relief there in both Iran and Turkey is complex, mountainous, the gas pipeline is very expensive. Nabucco originally planned to use Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan, but here they have all the contracted gas. Europeans did not want to attract Iran - it was under sanctions. And now they are unlikely to build a gas pipeline from Iran alone. There are also incomprehensions with Iraq - the conflict with the Kurds puts an end to plans to connect Iraqi gas. So in the next 10 years the construction of this pipeline will not be ...
                1. Town Hall
                  Town Hall 18 December 2017 14: 40 New
                  +2
                  Quote: andj61
                  So in the next 10 years the construction of this pipeline will not be ...




                  Check out the Southern Gas Corridor. TANAP and TAP
                  1. andj61
                    andj61 18 December 2017 17: 06 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Town Hall
                    Quote: andj61
                    So in the next 10 years the construction of this pipeline will not be ...

                    Check out the Southern Gas Corridor. TANAP and TAP

                    I read - and what do we see?
                    The Southern Gas Corridor is a project to expand the South Caucasus gas pipeline (Baku - Tbilisi - Erzurum), as well as the construction of the TANAP gas pipeline in Turkey and its extension across Europe - the TAP gas pipeline. The estimated length of the project is 3500 kilometers. The main objective of the project is to increase the security of gas supplies to Europe, reduce the share of Russia as a gas supplier and exclude Ukraine as a gas transit country. The declared cost of the project is about $ 45 billion.
                    It should be noted that, according to the Third Energy Package, Gazprom may require to provide it with 50% of the capacity of the specified gas pipeline, as This EU law prohibits the owner of a gas pipeline from using more than 50% of its capacity. The European Commission has confirmed that it will comply with European law. Thus, although the gas pipeline may slightly reduce Gazprom's supply, on the other hand, the project may turn out to be an EU investment in the gas pipeline system for Gazprom, bypassing Ukraine.
                    At the moment, it is unclear how the resource base of the pipeline will be filled. The current volumes of supplies from Azerbaijan are not enough even to completely fill the TAP gas pipeline. The volume of gas production in Azerbaijan from the Shah Deniz field is about 10 billion cubic meters, which, taking into account the consumption of part of the gas in Turkey, is not enough even to completely fill the first stage of the gas pipeline, especially taking into account the already operating Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum gas pipeline. Gas supplies through Turkmenistan are hampered by the uncertain legal status of the Caspian Sea. Deliveries from Iraq and Iran require laying gas pipelines in the war zone in the Syrian civil war and through the areas of armed conflict of the Kurdish Workers Party and Turkish forces.

                    That is, all that I wrote about Nabuko is prohibitive cost, lack of occupancy, vague prospects. And even in the case of construction, Gazprom can use part of the capacity, that is, due to the UES, a gas pipeline will be created in Europe through which Gazprom can transport its gas. bully hi
                    1. nadezhiva
                      nadezhiva 18 December 2017 20: 36 New
                      0
                      that is, due to the UES, a gas pipeline will be created in Europe through which Gazprom can transport its gas
                      That's it for sure: don't say gop until you jump over. It would not have been necessary for Gazprom to partially lay Nabucco "for its own". In Russia, in the region, strategic partners have drawn.
                    2. Town Hall
                      Town Hall 18 December 2017 20: 50 New
                      +1
                      Quote: andj61
                      That is, all that I wrote about Nabuko is prohibitive cost, lack of occupancy, vague prospects. And even in the case of construction, Gazprom can use part of the capacity, that is, due to the UES, a gas pipeline will be created in Europe through which Gazprom can transport its gas.



                      The reality is slightly different from the comments of this "analyst" from Russia. Although even he is forced to admit that the gas pipeline will reduce the volume of exports from Russia. Then, he writes different nonsense)


                      Gazprom, like any other company, will be able to apply for gas through this pipeline. It’s all about whether and what volumes. The maximum that Gazprom can count on (if it makes a good discount) is 10 yards cubic meters. 80 yards go through Ukraine. Do you understand the scale?
                      1. andj61
                        andj61 19 December 2017 10: 54 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        The maximum that Gazprom can count on (if it makes a good discount) is 10 yards cubic meters. 80 yards go through Ukraine. Do you understand the scale?

                        Nord Stream-2 - 60 billion cubic meters, Turkish stream - the same amount, Blue Stream - with modernization - up to 30.
                        Note that Nord Stream-1 is 50% loaded. Should Gazprom allow OTHER gas producing companies in Russia (and oil workers produce decently), its throughput will increase by another 60 billion cubic meters. The same applies to Nord Stream-2. Gazprom does not want to allow anyone to its gas transmission network, but if necessary it will receive a command and will do so. And that is the amount with some 80 billion: Here we are talking about large quantities that cover the needs of Europe. Are the scales clear? wink hi
                    3. Town Hall
                      Town Hall 18 December 2017 21: 00 New
                      +1
                      Quote: andj61
                      Gas supplies through Turkmenistan are hampered by the uncertain legal status of the Caspian Sea.


                      16.12.2017, 22: 38
                      The Caspian littoral countries agreed on the principles of delimitation of the Caspian
                      Ambassador-at-Large, Russian Foreign Ministry Igor Bratchikov, told Interfax that the countries of the Caspian Five managed to reach a compromise on the delimitation of the Caspian Sea. According to him, at a ministerial meeting held on December 4-5, the development of “generally acceptable formulations of the Convention on the Legal Status of the Caspian Sea” was completed.

                      “In particular, to agree on the principles of delimiting its water area into a zone under national sovereignty, a fishing zone and a common water area, as well as bottom and subsoil for the purposes of subsoil use, navigation and navigation regimes in future territorial and inland waters, and conditions for laying underwater pipelines,” explained Mr. Bratchikov. He recalled that the signing of the Convention will take place at the Fifth Caspian Summit in the first half of 2018.


                      Speaking of birds, as they say
                      1. Stabilization
                        Stabilization 19 December 2017 09: 09 New
                        +2
                        Soaked with nabuku you)) that actually is not surprising
                      2. andj61
                        andj61 19 December 2017 11: 11 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Speaking of birds, as they say

                        About the birds, so the birds. There are two more points - Turkmen gas for the next 10 years has been fully contracted by China and Russia, there are no large free volumes. Add to this the not-so-good personal relations between the leaders of Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan - and the prospects for transporting Turkmen gas to Europe in the coming decades will become even more vague.
          3. Rostovchanin
            Rostovchanin 18 December 2017 11: 53 New
            +5
            Everything is much simpler ... The Russkaya CS on the project is designed for 63 billion cubic meters. pumping a year, the Turks agreed to "process" 35 billion cubic meters. "Hanging" on the project 28 billion cubic meters. you can kindly provide the Bulgarians, there is everything for this, you just need to mount the remaining 7 units at the Russkaya CS ... I don’t see a problem at all, since this option was calculated and the capacities allow.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 18 December 2017 14: 04 New
              +2
              But the US counteraction does not count?
              From the above it is clear why they suddenly wanted to interfere with the Turkish stream. This is McCain’s nightmare - Russian gas through Bulgaria ... hi
              And remark pytar about the quiet work of Bulgaria - smiled separately .. bully
              1. Felix99
                Felix99 18 December 2017 21: 49 New
                0
                Now Ukraine will be able to buy Bulgarian gas!
          4. alexmach
            alexmach 18 December 2017 12: 15 New
            +4
            Well, why is that sad? It is logical, after all, not to build the entire infrastructure from scratch but to join already built or being built by someone else.
          5. andj61
            andj61 18 December 2017 14: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: nadezhiva
            Sadly, ..... along the way, Russia compromised. With all, though, first of all, with Iran. Take a look at the picture of building another scandalous pipeline (Nabucco). Much will become clear. Bulgarians have nothing to do with it.

            Nabucco closed back in 2013 due to too high cost. There were still difficulties with filling it - from Iran it was not comme il faut to take gas - it was under sanctions and it was necessary to build expensive infrastructure to the Turkish border, for the gas from Turkmenistan it was necessary to build an offshore section (additional spending), and Turkmenistan by that time already agreed to sell gas to China, and gas from Azerbaijan to its full capacity was clearly not enough.
        2. Lexus
          Lexus 18 December 2017 10: 39 New
          +3
          Indeed, we always have such "partners" that they are only negotiable in such a "position" in negotiations
        3. avt
          avt 18 December 2017 10: 42 New
          +6
          Quote: 79807420129
          What is being twisted muddied with these streams

          It does not matter . Firstly, we are pulling to Turkey, and who and how the Turks will suck out gas is their concern; Secondly, the Ottomans return to their territories, control over which was lost with the help of Russia. Well, since the same Bulgarians fell under the USA, let them somehow and NATO provide them with independence and sovereignty. ”But taking into account the de population of the Bulgarians, there really will be Turkish forks. Zhivkov and his program of Bulgarian ethnic Turk.
          Quote: nadezhiva
          Sadly, but .....

          It’s a pity that you can’t analyze the thread map given by yourself. It’s such a route, and even shorter directly, as you previously wanted, via Bulgaria it is easier to get to Baumgarten.
          1. pytar
            pytar 18 December 2017 11: 05 New
            +5
            But taking into account the de population of the Bulgarians, there will in fact be a Turkish vilayat.

            Unfortunately there are such problems! The demographic genocide of the Bulgarians was laid back in the 50 during the soc, when they carried out forced collectivization according to the Soviet model. It turned out that it was decreasing / genocide / over the Bulgarian ethnic group. And the gypsies and Turks began to multiply, from which all the growth in Bulgaria was generated. The picture is hopeless, even though the Bulgarian people have healed and survived 13 centuries and survived the most terrible periods in their history! Turkish will not prevail, even though there are two southeastern districts, where the Turks are now the majority. At that time, part of Macedonia will probably return to Bulgaria. By the way, the demographic picture in Russia is not ambiguous! And in the Russian Federation, processes are underway to decrease the Slavic population and increase the share of the Mogamedan.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 18 December 2017 16: 04 New
              +1
              Sly a little. If it were so, as you write, now in Bulgaria there would be only Turks and Gypsies. And so on all censuses of national minorities (ALL) 15% of the population.
              1. pytar
                pytar 18 December 2017 16: 37 New
                +3
                Do you see somewhere on this graph differentiation by ethnic groups? Nope ...? Yes, and you will not see anywhere, since all official surveys have ceased to be published since 50! And I saw them ... at work. And we have been living here all our lives. We see with our own eyes. All public information on the share of ethnic groups is kept on a self-declaring basis in an optional order. And many Gypsies and Turks are recorded on these polls as Bulgarians. At the end of the 50, right after the collectivization, 2 were born times smaller than the Bulgarians than before. The government realized that there was a problem and increased the birth allowance! As a result, the Bulgarians did not give birth anymore, as they moved in the cities due to the loss of food in the villages. But the gypsies and Turks began to give birth even more and live on benefits! When in the 80, the situation with the birth rate of the Bulgarian ethnic group became catastrophic, the government of Todor Zhivkov took unprecedented measures! Events were held to change the names of the Mohammedan to Christian. T.N. "revival processes." Half a million dissenting Turks and Gypsies moved to Turkey. Well, after democracy, half of them came back. In the period before, the Bulgarian special services opened a terrorist network consisting of doctors and nurses of Turkish origin who injected a chemical compound in the veins of newborn Bulgarian children, which creates infertility in fertile age. According to various estimates, a few thousand. Bulgarian children were affected by such an impact. All members of this criminal group were sentenced to death.
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 18 December 2017 17: 21 New
                  +1
                  It’s very fashionable to rewrite history. But facts are a stubborn thing. And then in World Wars (especially in II), it turns out, too, the Turks and Gypsies “muddy the water” in Bulgaria. And Derbanil Serbia and Greece. Then there was just genocide, only in the USSR, more than 25 million. When Bulgaria served Hitler.
                  In principle, everything is clear to me. There will be no carnival (and compensation, calculated on which the Bulgarian “historians” are working)!
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 18 December 2017 17: 41 New
                    +2
                    Yes, I do not mind talking about history, but the topic is not that ... laughing Who beat whom and how, you can argue for days. It is all all ever ganged. Shas recalled that, according to statistics, Russia fought the most with the “brotherly” of Turkey now! bully And my previous comment was in response to another comment about depopulation. It is hardly worth running a parallel branch here on these topics. hi
      3. pytar
        pytar 18 December 2017 10: 20 New
        +6
        If you remember, the South Stream, which was replaced by the Turkish Stream, and was blocked by Bulgaria,

        Can you give dates as an example to your assertion, at least one document or official establishment of the Bulgarian authorities confirming this? Have you read the statements of Russian officials since the last year, a year and a half? Nowhere does it repeat that Bulgaria blocked UP! UP blocked the European Commissionwhose orders are binding on all EU member states!
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 18 December 2017 19: 16 New
          0
          This topic has been discussed more than once. UP blocked the European Commission, but to a friendly applause from the Bulgarian authorities. The German authorities are fighting for the Nord Stream with all their might, although in words with sanctions ... They are pragmatists. The Bulgarian authorities were led on a cookie from the State Department, most likely ...
          1. pytar
            pytar 18 December 2017 20: 30 New
            +2
            but to the friendly applause from the Bulgarian authorities

            Are you able to prove your hardening? Where and when did you hear the applause from the Bulgarian authorities? Share if you are not at a loss ... smile
    2. seti
      seti 18 December 2017 09: 43 New
      +5
      The Bulgarians did not want to receive gas directly and raise their shares in the EU will now purchase it from Turkey. Many will not be welded.
      Apparently the reason is that they already have some kind of infrastructure and they have built pipes to feed directly to the central EU countries. What makes the route cheaper.
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 December 2017 10: 24 New
        +4
        The option from the Balkan gas hub is much more profitable for Bulgaria than UP! UP would be in Gazprom's possession, and the Bolkan hub would be Bulgarian, even though foreign investors would also be attracted! There is also with the Russian Federation! Already declared participation!
        In addition, the European Commission opposed the implementation of the UP, blocking it in this way. At that time, the EC reinforced the option with the Bakan hub, which opens up the project for investment and implementation!
        1. seti
          seti 18 December 2017 11: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: avt
          It does not matter . Firstly, we are pulling to Turkey, and who and how the Turks will suck out gas is their concern; Secondly, the Ottomans return to their territories, control over which was lost with the help of Russia. Well, since the same Bulgarians fell under the USA, let them somehow and NATO provide them with independence and sovereignty. ”But taking into account the de population of the Bulgarians, there really will be Turkish forks. Zhivkov and his program of Bulgarian ethnic Turk.

          I think the answer has already been given to you.
          So the fact that Bulgaria will play some important role is from the area about the boy - I wanted to. But the big uncles spit and turned away.
    3. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 18 December 2017 09: 44 New
      +2
      Bulgaria once blundered because of = the position of the owners in the West and overseas. And the flow for it is more than 2 billion green profits per year and jobs ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 December 2017 10: 26 New
        +5
        And the flow for her is more than 2 billion green profits per year and jobs ...

        This is completely wrong! From the word at all! UP would be profitable for the Russian-Bulgarian energy mafia! In Bulgaria, only she regrets it! laughing
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 18 December 2017 10: 31 New
          +5
          Does the Turkish mafia deserve more credibility?
          1. pytar
            pytar 18 December 2017 11: 10 New
            +2
            Does the Turkish mafia deserve more credibility?

            No mafia is trustworthy! Gazov hub "Balkan" and all the infrastructure for it will not be in the exclusive ownership of anyone! For the difference from UP! So Bulgaria guarantees the rights of management of this strategic object! wink
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 18 December 2017 11: 42 New
              +5
              So Bulgaria guarantees the rights of management of this strategic object! wink

              It is unlikely that the European Union will allow Bulgaria something to guarantee itself ... No offense. Harsh, pan-European reality.
              1. pytar
                pytar 18 December 2017 12: 15 New
                +2
                It is unlikely that the European Union will allow Bulgaria something to guarantee itself ... No offense. Harsh, pan-European reality.

                Each union is some kind of consortium of interests! hi And in each union there are more weighty partners. So it was in CMEA, so it is in the CU, so it is in the EU! But if the country intelligently defends its interests, then everything will be fine. Bulgaria in this case very successfully guilty of its interests and the effect is guaranteed to be the best! good
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 18 December 2017 12: 35 New
                  +3
                  And I want to believe you, but ... Let's see. "I’m mom

                  not orders, I changed my mind "no longer ride. hi
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 18 December 2017 12: 46 New
                    +2
                    Yes! We'll see. So far, neither "mom" nor "dad" mind. hi

                    In the office of the President of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, there is a scheme that he was drawn and presented by Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov, with new routes for delivering Russian gas to Bulgaria and neighboring countries.
                    “One pipe of the Turkish Stream will go to Istanbul, and the other to Bulgaria. Both Tusk and Junker know this. In Junker's office lies precisely this scheme, ”Borisov said.
                    1. Lexus
                      Lexus 18 December 2017 13: 11 New
                      +2
                      Recently, I have never seen Junker sober ... Do you think he is in the negotiations so "bends"?
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 18 December 2017 13: 29 New
                        +2
                        Recently, I have never seen Junker sober ... Do you think he is in the negotiations so "bends"?

                        I only saw him once / in Sofia / and then he was sober! But if you are right and Junker turns out to be an alcoholic, then our task will be easier! We will persuade him without problems! drinks drinks drinks It was in due time, Yeltsin so sold half the Russia to Russia on a booze ... wink
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 18 December 2017 12: 22 New
              +4
              Well, as if you would build it for your money. Build - well done, do not build - the Turks will once again change their mind about the branch to Greece.
              1. pytar
                pytar 18 December 2017 12: 52 New
                +3
                Well, as if you would build it for your money. Build - well done, do not build - the Turks will once again change their mind about the branch to Greece.

                There will be their own investments, there will be foreign investors. There are already candidates from Russia. The idea is that control should remain with Bulgaria.
                But the Turks cannot change their minds. They have no special choice! What in Greece, what in Bulgaria, is the same for them. Greece is in stagnation / debt hole /, and Bulgaria 5 year is on the rise! Bulgaria is in third place in the EU for the best indicators in terms of external share to GDP! VD: GDP - only 18%! For investors, Bulgaria is a much less risky country than Greece. And besides, Bulgaria already has a fairly well-developed pipeline network. The geographical location of Bulgaria is also more advantageous than that of Greece, which affects the cost of projects.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 18 December 2017 12: 58 New
                  +2
                  The idea is that control should remain with Bulgaria.

                  Have you ever heard the proverb "whoever dines for a girl dances her"? Well, if you manage to build for someone else’s money, and at the same time maintain control over what you built, you will be very great fellows. But something tells me that this does not happen ....
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 18 December 2017 13: 40 New
                    +3
                    We also have such a proverb! But you are mistaken in something by associating Bulgaria with a girl from a proverb! wink It would be more correct if you associate Bulgaria with a sufficiently strong man who stood and stands on his land for 13 centuries! And it will cost the same!

                    And how it will turn out with the invoices, let's see ... wink
                    1. vasya.pupkin
                      vasya.pupkin 18 December 2017 13: 54 New
                      +3
                      Putaru: “little brothers” are “strong men,” but the JUDs, with experience, allowed Yugoslavia to be bombed from their airfields, and Russian planes are not allowed into Syria.
                      Better to have an enemy than such "brothers."
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 18 December 2017 14: 25 New
                        +3
                        "1. bros "-" strong men, "but JUDAH with experience,2. allowed from their airfields to bomb Yugoslavia,3. and the planes of the Russian Federation are not allowed into Syria.

                        Here is a brilliant example of how propaganda works on misinformation! good Now back to the facts!
                        2. Not a single NATO plane flew from Bulgarian airfields to Yugoslavia! No one! From the southern direction flew from the Greek! During the first Yugoslav war, Bulgaria, bearing in mind its historically burdened relations with Serbia, declared neutrality! All flights over the country were forbidden! There is a resolution of the MC and Parliament on this occasion! During the second Yugoslav war, the Bulgarian parliament allowed flights only in the direction from Yugoslavia, and not to it! This meant the extreme case when a fighter crashes and cannot get out of the other direction. Flights to Yugoslavia were not allowed, as it paused that they were going to a combat mission and from bombs! For permission, a request from NATO was required, but such requests have never been received! Nato-vtsam completely missed their buzz in the rest of Europe. We have been enmity with the Serbs since antiquity and we don’t have sympathy for them.
                        3. The case of not allowing a Russian plane from Syria is very interesting! My friend, then was the dispatcher in the cool! There is an official misunderstanding between Bulgaria and the Russian Federation on how due requests for the use of Bulgarian airspace will be realized! In the case of that plane, the request was not filed from the Russian side properly! In view of the saturation of the Bulgarian airspace with the route and flights, the Bulgarian side urgently sent an additional request for clarification of the parameters! There was no answer from the Russian side and the Bulgarian side could not risk putting the rest of the air traffic participants at risk! The next month, despite the statements, Russian transporters flew over Bulgaria many times! It got to a sharp demarche on the part of the American authorities in front of the Bulgarians!
                        From the answers to T.2 and T.3 it follows that your hardening - T.1 is incorrect!
                        Better to have an enemy than such "brothers."

                        Like you, vasya.pupkin is the enemy! We and the Russians!
                    2. alexmach
                      alexmach 18 December 2017 14: 03 New
                      +1
                      Actually, I wrote everything about gas pipelines and associated them with a girl.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 18 December 2017 15: 10 New
                        +2
                        Well, on that "girls-gas pipeline" that guy from the picture should sit! laughing
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        2. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 18 December 2017 10: 58 New
          +1
          pytar
          There was a papier of your institute for the implementation of South Stream, its assessment for the economy of Bulgaria. Everything is painted there. in Bulgarian .. hi
        3. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 18 December 2017 11: 15 New
          +1
          Putar In Bulgaria, only she regrets him. ""
          Even the shops in Musachevo understand the significance of the southern stream for Bulgaria: laughing
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          1. pytar
            pytar 18 December 2017 11: 41 New
            +1
            Even the shops in Musachevo understand the significance of the southern stream for Bulgaria

            They would understand the shops of the situation with UP, they would build it themselves! laughing They are! Spit on all power and do what they want! wink
            UP entered into a gross contradiction with European antitrust laws. The "cunning" scheme by which Gazprom intended to circumvent it did not work. The project from the Balkan gas hub does not contradict European standards. Moreover, he has the full support of all Euroinstations! It is beneficial to Bulgaria, so everything is fine with it! hi
            1. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 18 December 2017 22: 57 New
              0
              one but here. I would be in Bulgaria itself .. GAS .. laughing
        4. seti
          seti 18 December 2017 15: 20 New
          +1
          If you read your posts, you can immediately see how naive you are. And holy believe your Borisov. So lucidly explain in a gesture of goodwill.
          You need to understand why TP is being built - primarily for Turkey and the southeastern EU countries, bypassing the country 4о4. Two pipes of 15,75 billion cubic meters per year will be laid in Turkey because at one time you Bulgarians refused. It takes time for TP to work at the design capacity. Today's Turkey (and tomorrow) is a fast-growing economy. So that most of the gas now and then will settle in it. The remainder of Erdogan will subsequently be sold with a markup and there will be no problems with this since the EU needs all one natural gas no matter what they say. Greece in the role of a transit or hub location is clearly not suitable. She has no infrastructure and time is running out. So there is only one problem - how to connect gas to the EU gas pipeline system. The Bulgarian government has already shown itself to be a woman of easy virtue by proving that even any senator from behind a large puddle or a member of the European Commission can bend him. Therefore, it is possible (not yet decided) the option of pumping gas residues into the gas transportation system of Bulgaria and from it directly to the necessary EU countries.
          What will Bulgaria get from this? Yes nichrome so you do not write and prove. So scraps from someone else's (and the table could be yours) table. Why? Firstly, the volumes will not be too large. And secondly, no one puts anything without spine. If they want something they will give, and most likely they will just write off a little from your public debt.
          If things go well, and through the Greeks they throw a pipe to Italy, then perhaps TP will increase by another two pipes of the same volume. But only Bulgaria will set aside snot. And she could get all the 4 threads herself. So hi Borisov brother. He is clearly not Erdogan no matter what they write about him.
          1. pytar
            pytar 18 December 2017 17: 02 New
            +2
            I truly believe only in the Lord! hi And you give out one of the many hypotheses that constantly multiply somewhere ... It seems that there is such an incubator! bully By the way, you immediately say that you do not know the norms in the EU. And you conduct all your deliberation from the perspective of this not knowledge. In fact, everything is very simple! UP is contrary to EU law and not a ride. The US intervention was but it did not come to an empty place! Well, Gazprom could not beat the EC! We-you wanted ... well, it didn’t work! We can’t build a pipe anywhere in Bulgaria! Moreover, we lose billions of euros! Turkey is not a member of the EU and European laws do not apply to it. So Gazprom had to go to the Turks, which further promises him problems like those of Ukraine. The fact that all the time, backstage of the Russian Federation was negotiating with Bulgaria and the EU, clearly indicates that the children are aware of the threat! In addition, Gazprom implemented the technical part of TP in such a way that at every possible moment it could send a second branch to Bulgaria. Speculation about Greece was carried out for other reasons. The project on the gas hub "Balkan" / it is a very large-scale construction which includes a bunch of pipelines, stations and storage facilities / in fully meets the interests of Bulgaria! Moreover, it does not bode any sanctions on the part of the European Union! I’m not proving anything to anyone. It makes no difference to me who will think what. There are people who want to know about the situation from a different angle, so that .... hi
            1. seti
              seti 18 December 2017 17: 35 New
              +2
              You wrote a lot, but only rubbish. Well, you do not understand the question, so keep silent.
              Gazprom does not need to beat any of your Evr Commission. And you don’t need to write bullshit that they say it’s so profitable for you. It would be more profitable if you received all the 4 pipes of UP and not the remnants of TP that will give Erdogan rather sell. Turkey is really not in the EU, but it doesn’t shine and is no longer needed. See how much gas it consumes and how much Bulgaria has with its closest neighbors. I think the answer is obvious to whom it is more profitable to sell the Russian Federation and who is the most reliable and solvent buyer. And where should the main part of the gas from SO be supposed to go?
              Time is running out and the EC has begun to stir because gas is needed at the EU camps, there is nowhere to get it except from the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation has already agreed directly with Turkey. The contract through the country 4o4 will end soon. And there are no guarantees that it will be extended. The Russian Federation does not need this, and the horses are well aware of this because they sit exactly on this issue.
              If you are talking about diverting one branch or diverting a part of the pipe from Turkey to Bulgaria, this is a clean economy and only confirms the main thing - your EC all has to bow to Russia and Turkey. Nowhere without them. And Erdogan is a much more difficult negotiator than Putin.
              1. pytar
                pytar 18 December 2017 21: 01 New
                +2
                You wrote a lot, but only rubbish.

                Well do not read then! lol
                Well, you do not understand the question, so keep silent.

                I read your post and I can definitely say that there is nothing in it except for a lot of emotion. fellow
                Gazprom does not need to beat any of your Evr Commission.

                It turns out that you need ... EC as Niet says and there is no sale of gas, yes there is no euro for Gazprom.
                And you do not need to write bullshit that they say it’s so profitable for you.

                This you can not write bullshit that we are more profitable. laughing
                Turkey is really not in the EU, but it doesn’t shine and is no longer needed.

                Everyone sighed with robes! Especially the Balkan countries, which by no means wanted to see Turkey into one unification without borders with it! !
                See how much gas it consumes and how much Bulgaria has with its closest neighbors.

                Why with the "closest neighbors"? It will stretch to Hungary and Austria. Plus countries of the Western Balkans.
                I think the answer is obvious to whom it is more profitable to sell the Russian Federation and who is the most reliable and solvent buyer. And where should the main part of the gas from SO be supposed to go?

                The answer is really obvious, but you do not see it. The Russian Federation is constantly working to increase the bill of its consumers. A consumer is more solvent than the EU is not.
                Time is running out and the EC has begun to stir because gas is needed at the EU camps, there is nowhere to get it except from the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation has already agreed directly with Turkey.

                The Russian Federation has the largest gas reserves. But she is completely not the only possible supplier.
                your EC all one to bow to Russia and Turkey. Nowhere without them

                Snoi is an erroneous camp. One who has money does not go bow to the one who has the goods. Just the opposite happens.
    4. pytar
      pytar 18 December 2017 10: 17 New
      +5
      ... a strange wording - "was notified" ... but what, permission from Bulgaria is not required?

      Wording are interpretations of the authors Stats in a Turkish newspaper. In fact, Bulgaria worked together with all interested participants in the project. bully
    5. Sergey53
      Sergey53 18 December 2017 13: 27 New
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      According to the report, “changes in the route of the gas pipeline were discussed at the Turkish Ministry of Energy, after which about this at a high level was notified Bulgaria,

      ... a strange wording - "was notified" ... but what, permission from Bulgaria is not required? request

      Bulgaria repeatedly requested a gas pipe to itself, referring to Brussels about the agreement of all contradictions. We, in turn, agreed with Turkey and "notified" Bulgaria of our decision. For simple Bulgaria did not want to, decided for complex.
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 December 2017 15: 28 New
        +2
        For simple Bulgaria did not want to, decided for complex.

        It just looks at first glance. UP is not a project between Bulgaria and the Russian Federation! This is a pan-European project! It is important for the norms and rules of the European Union, in the countries members of the EU! There is antitrust legislation! Gazprom decided to go around it, concluding agreements with each side separately, supposedly technically "different pipes," even though interconnected! And ideologically, the same Gazprom positioned UP again as one mega-project! What initially introduced a contradiction into it! Indeed, for countries members of the EU, Union law legally has priority! The Bulgarian side more than once drew attention to Gazprom that there would be problems, but no one in the top management of the company wanted to listen! They executed political decisions to the detriment of technical, economic and legal ones! After the crisis in Ukraine in 2014, Gazprom was faced with financial problems, so he began to look for a way to wipe it out, without paying any forfeit! All the hype in the media, like "the Bulgarians put sticks in the wheels of the UP", had the goal of reducing the image losses of the Gazprom men! That’s the whole point of what happened! What did not happen did not happen, but what happened could. hi
    6. Thracian warrior
      Thracian warrior 18 December 2017 14: 51 New
      +1
      I knew that someday we’ll write to our brothers again. wink laughing love
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 December 2017 15: 34 New
        +2
        No ... Now, they’ll come up with something else! lol
    7. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 19 December 2017 10: 33 New
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      According to the report, “changes in the route of the gas pipeline were discussed at the Turkish Ministry of Energy, after which about this at a high level was notified Bulgaria,

      ... a strange wording - "was notified" ... but what, permission from Bulgaria is not required? request

      And this is already a matter of relations between Bulgaria and Turkey. The procedure for delivering gas from Russia to Turkey is different than the transit of gas from Russia to Europe through Ukraine. Gas sold to Turkey is the property of Turkey and their business is how, where, on what terms and for what prices to sell, give, or consume gas completely at home. It seems reasonable to me to use gas pipelines and ground equipment previously built for other gas pipelines. For Russia, the main thing is to maintain the terms of the contract for the supply of gas to Turkey. Next is their business. In the end, Turkey, Greece and Bulgaria are NATO members. And the scandals between them, if any, come to our advantage.
  2. Anarchist
    Anarchist 18 December 2017 09: 32 New
    10
    Is it the Greeks don’t want money for Transit, or did the Bulgarians grease? Brothers, the so-called ...
    1. Going
      Going 18 December 2017 09: 43 New
      +7
      It turns out very interesting, this may mean that the capacity of the "Turkish" stream can be significantly increased, they do not want to upset our partners from overseas ahead of time.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 18 December 2017 10: 45 New
        +3
        We very much risk "flying into the pipe" ... It is doubtful pleasure to shake up the fundamental disagreements during the construction process.
        1. pytar
          pytar 18 December 2017 11: 11 New
          +2
          We very much risk "flying into the pipe" ...

          Everything has been thought out and invented for a long time. In vain worry. laughing
    2. den3080
      den3080 18 December 2017 09: 46 New
      +3
      as I understand it, the Bulgarians knocked out his forehead ... in Brussels
      and now they are posing as ... a gas distribution center ... I understand interconnectors laughing laughing laughing
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 December 2017 11: 44 New
        +2
        as I understand it, the Bulgarians knocked out his forehead ... in Brussels

        Your "understanding" is very different from reality. lol But I suppose you are so comfortable. drinks
    3. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 19 December 2017 10: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Anarchist
      Is it the Greeks don’t want money for Transit, or did the Bulgarians grease? Brothers, the so-called ...

      But is it a bad idea to use existing gas pipelines and ground equipment without building the same new one, but on the route to Greece?
  3. Fedorov
    Fedorov 18 December 2017 09: 34 New
    +4
    Moldova, Romania, Macedonia, Bulgaria ..... Maybe you should ask Putin and Erdogan?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 18 December 2017 10: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Fedorov
      Maybe you should ask Putin and Erdogan?

      Why ask? Putin is like a drum. He sells gas to Turkey, and what she will do with him next is a purely personal matter of the Turks. Well, Erdogan, as follows from the text of the article, has already decided and notified Bulgaria about this
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 December 2017 10: 37 New
        +3
        Yes, wait a little more ... Soon you will learn about gas pipelines that will go directly from Russia to Bulgaria ... bully From Crimea to the Bulgarian Doruji only 370 km. Now lay pipes along the Kerch bridge .... wink
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 18 December 2017 10: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: pytar
          Yes, wait a little more ... Soon you will learn about gas pipelines that will go directly from Russia from Russia to Bulgaria ... bully From Crimea to Bulgaria Doruzhi is only 370 km. Now lay pipes along the Kerch bridge ....

          And why did you decide that these pipes are for Bulgaria? Crimea also needs gas.
          1. pytar
            pytar 18 December 2017 11: 13 New
            +3
            And why did you decide that these pipes are for Bulgaria? Crimea also needs gas.

            They are for Crimea of ​​course. But they have a capacity of 3-4 times greater than the potential needs of Crimea. This is the first signal. The second signal is that for 2 year Russian companies have been exploring the bottom of the Black Sea, in the direction of Crimea - Bulgarian Dobrudja. Of course in the near future you can’t expect something. For such a project / he himself is profitable of all possible / politics impedes, as the EU does not recognize Crimea as Russian. Although the position and time will change ... This is inevitable. We’ll see what's next.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 18 December 2017 13: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: pytar
              Although the position and time will change ... This is inevitable. We’ll see what's next.

              So, what's the problem? As an interested party, Bulgaria can set a precedent for Crimea. yes Or how? wink
              1. pytar
                pytar 18 December 2017 15: 45 New
                +2
                So, what's the problem? As an interested party, Bulgaria can set a precedent for Crimea. Or how?

                Bulgarians are never in a hurry! And it is wise! wink All in due time! hi
          2. Misha Kvakina
            Misha Kvakina 19 December 2017 09: 16 New
            0
            For Romania, and part for Moldova !!!
  4. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 18 December 2017 09: 35 New
    +2
    Again HPP? Where is the line between the flexibility and reliability of the word? Words are easy to give and just as easy to climb back. Games on the field of the eastern mentality will not be brought to good.
    1. passerby5
      passerby5 18 December 2017 10: 13 New
      +1
      so it is: a man said, did, did not, said again!)))
  5. askort154
    askort154 18 December 2017 09: 36 New
    +1
    Arrived in the EU, banning the pipe through Bulgaria. Now back down. It is good that our pipes were not taken out; they still lie in Bulgaria. Apparently, Gazprom foresaw this.
    1. pytar
      pytar 18 December 2017 10: 28 New
      +5
      It is good that our pipes were not taken out; they still lie in Bulgaria. Apparently, Gazprom foresaw this.

      In fact, all the hype from the media hid the real situation. Bulgaria and the Russian Federation all the time worked together on a new, more acceptable result. Work actually never stopped!
  6. PValery53
    PValery53 18 December 2017 09: 36 New
    10
    Once the Greeks gave our man to a court in America, then they received from Russia "mutual service."
    1. Going
      Going 18 December 2017 09: 44 New
      10
      Quote: PValery53
      Once the Greeks gave our man to a court in America, then they received from Russia "mutual service."


      This is also a serious argument.
  7. camo ridges
    camo ridges 18 December 2017 09: 43 New
    +5
    The main thing is that our transit through Ukraine is reduced -
    gradually, but inexorably. Very soon their transit
    nets will become just iron trash. In a word, a pipe is a matter ...
    1. dog breeder
      dog breeder 18 December 2017 09: 54 New
      +4
      But there will be a reason to jump! They’ll hand over so much ferrous metal, plus the fact that they beg for the next lace! There is a reason to show off!
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 18 December 2017 10: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: dog breeder
        So much chermet, surrender ...

        Interestingly, and the rails, bypassing which our railways started, were already dragged by the hauls to the reception points? lol
  8. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 18 December 2017 09: 48 New
    0
    As I understand it, it is more profitable for the Turks to throw a pipe, to the Bulgarians than to the Greeks, economically and politically. Although, in my opinion: it would be better for the "bros" to remain with a "nose", after their tricks in the project "South Stream"
    1. pytar
      pytar 18 December 2017 10: 39 New
      +2
      As I understand it, it is more profitable for the Turks to throw a pipe, to the Bulgarians than to the Greeks, economically and politically. Although, in my opinion: it would be better for the "bros" to remain with a "nose", after their tricks in the project "South Stream"

      The EU has changed its position towards Turkey. In the future, the EU will try to avoid all kinds of dependencies on this country. bully
  9. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 18 December 2017 09: 57 New
    +2
    Choi is completely incomprehensible. Brothers have already shown Russia that they do not need its gas and what the hell they shove it again? Since they are building an interconnector with Greece, then by and large, it doesn’t matter where to get gas from: through Greece or through Turkey. The strange position of Gazprom was brokered by their little brothers, and now Gazprom is following their lead, such as so that the pipes do not stand idle ... - what kind of nonsense? I don’t give a damn about the “idle” Bulgarian pipes, let them bear the costs, if they look into the EU’s mouth, let the EU cover these costs, and let the idle gas pipeline stand as an eternal monument to its own stupidity.
    1. akims
      akims 18 December 2017 10: 08 New
      +2
      The fact of the matter is that Gazprom does not care if you don’t want to buy gas - suck your paw. We will find whom to sell. Would you like, please. But I think the price will now be different, this time. And now Turkey will dictate to the Bulgarians - these are two. Previously, you had to turn on the brain. But they - it’s even late, but they turned it on, but here, on the edge, everything is off for a long time.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 18 December 2017 10: 16 New
        +3
        So I’m saying that if Bulgaria receives gas directly through Turkey, then it will be through one intermediary, and if through Turkey and Greece it will be through two intermediaries. And although both countries (Greece and Bulgaria) are in the EU, but lengthening the distance of gas passage will cause gas to rise in price automatically for Bulgaria, we don’t give a damn about it, but the Bulgarians will have to pay a higher price. Such shifters as Bulgarians must be punished, but now it turns out that Gazprom has gone towards the Bulgarians.
      2. pytar
        pytar 18 December 2017 11: 27 New
        +2
        Gazprom does not care, do not want to buy gas - suck on a paw. We will find whom to sell.

        Yes, not so simple. The largest consumers of Russian gas are Europe. From it the main profit goes to the Russian Federation. And the Hebrew women are just very necessary RF! Practice has shown that very rarely the seller manages to blackmail the buyer! That product, and the other has money ... The one who has money always has more choices! laughing
        And now Turkey will dictate to the Bulgarians

        Turkey will not dictate anything to anyone. It will receive gas directly through TP, and the EU through a separate line from Bulgaria. In Bulgaria, all flows from the southeast direction are closed. Including design from the Black Sea.
    2. scrap123
      scrap123 18 December 2017 10: 16 New
      +2
      and we have a Tokaya system, then to the Olympics under the white flag, then gas to the Bulgarians who do not need it ...
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 18 December 2017 10: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Brothers have already shown Russia that they do not need its gas and what the hell they shove it again?

      Now it will not be Russian, but, it seems, TURKISH gas. After all, the Slovakians also buy "European" gas from Slovakia and Poland, and not Russian.
      The strange position of "Gazprom" -they "lowered" brother, and now "Gazprom" is in their wake

      Gazprom has nothing to do with this. He sells gas to the Turks, and the Turks can further dispose of it at their discretion.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 18 December 2017 10: 38 New
        +2
        Oh, I get it. Then yes". I agree. Inattentively read. Hmm, then everything is true, the Turks have long-standing graters with the Greeks (regarding Cyprus, including), and the Bulgarians, by their mentality, have not gone far from the Turks — they are closer to them (the Turks), then the choice is clear. wink
      2. pytar
        pytar 18 December 2017 10: 42 New
        +4
        Gazprom has nothing to do with this. He sells gas to the Turks, and the Turks can further dispose of it at their discretion.

        All gas from all gas pipelines in Southeastern Europe / entering and leaving / is closed on the Bulgarian territory in the Balkan hub! There will be a gas exchange! There I will conclude all the contracts! Gazprom sells the Turks a separate pipe. She is TP. Everything else goes to Bulgaria. bully Bulgarian government, worked out a brilliant plan! Respect for Boyko Borisov! He managed to promote the most successful variant for Bulgaria, while being in an extremely difficult international situation! He defended the interests of Bulgaria in the best possible way! good
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 18 December 2017 12: 31 New
        +3
        Gazprom has nothing to do with this. He sells gas to the Turks, and the Turks can further dispose of it at their discretion.


        You write some nonsense. Whoever sells gas to the final consumer will earn the most from this sale. Gazprom, throughout its history, has been fighting for access directly to consumers in Europe. What would he suddenly begin to sell it to Turkey so that she would earn on further resale?
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 18 December 2017 12: 43 New
          0
          Quote: alexmach
          Gazprom has nothing to do with this. He sells gas to the Turks, and the Turks can further dispose of it at their discretion.


          You write some nonsense. Whoever sells gas to the final consumer will earn the most from this sale. Gazprom, throughout its history, has been fighting for access directly to consumers in Europe. What would he suddenly begin to sell it to Turkey so that she would earn on further resale?



          Such simple and obvious things for local connoisseurs are incomprehensible things. By the way, under contracts Gazprom is obliged to deliver gas to each consumer country.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 18 December 2017 12: 56 New
            +4
            And if you don’t take a steam bath with transit, but simply sell it to someone directly from the well - it’s just a cry to you - the turn of those who want to line up. And the transit problems themselves, even with Ukraine, even with Bulgaria, at least through OPAL, will be resolved. But they will buy this gas from wells for 3 kopecks and they will never let you into the European market. This is the essence of the whole struggle between Gazprom and the European Commission. Europe can’t do without Russian gas, and Russia without European consumers. The whole question is where and at what price will they buy it. Here for this 10 years already and fight. This is all the European energy pacts and all the blocking of the construction of new gas pipelines about this.
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 18 December 2017 14: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: alexmach
              This is all the European energy pacts and all the blocking of the construction of new gas pipelines about this.


              The 3rd Energy Package is more likely that the gas producer cannot be the owner of the gas pipeline and vice versa. Therefore, the South Stream was closed. And therefore, the Turkish stream is fiction
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 18 December 2017 15: 16 New
                +1
                Well no. It is about who is where and at what price will buy this gas. And what you write about is just technical details.

                therefore, the Turkish stream is fiction


                Well hello! In Turkey, your pacts do not apply. And then build your own already "correct and civilized" infrastructure.
                1. Town Hall
                  Town Hall 18 December 2017 15: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: alexmach
                  In Turkey, your pacts do not apply. And then build your own already "correct and civilized" infrastructure.




                  Seriously? .And why should Europe build some kind of infrastructure for Gazprom Wishlist?. The infrastructure exists and is quite satisfied.

                  What is being built through Turkey is TANAP — for gas from the Caspian region, Iran, Iraq, and Israel. And by no means Gazprom. It is for this purpose that it is built so that the gas is not Gazprom's.


                  Gazprom, if it gets access to that gas pipeline, is in a scanty volume. Incomparable with volumes through Ukraine
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 18 December 2017 15: 50 New
                    +1
                    Well, wait and see who will get access to what.
                    1. Town Hall
                      Town Hall 18 December 2017 16: 06 New
                      +1
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Well, wait and see who will get access to what.



                      What you called the technical details of the 3rd energy package is the Antitrust Law. It cannot be avoided. It is clearly stated that the supplier, transit and gas distributor cannot be the same company in any case. That’s why South Stream was blocked .and all these supposedly "tricky" schemes with Turkish-end in the same way
                      1. alexmach
                        alexmach 18 December 2017 18: 10 New
                        +1
                        But how, then, next to it, a pan from Bulgaria says that they themselves will build a transit infrastructure and will control it themselves. Everything as you wanted in your third pact. Gazprom gas, transit - the Bulgarians, whom to sell to the end user - also found. And the fact that gas to Turkey and through its territory will go through the Gazprom gas pipeline - so you keep in mind that your laws only work on your territory. Well, if you suddenly decide not to let Gazprom’s gas flow, then what will your own antitrust laws say about this?

                        By the way, pay attention that the South Stream has been blocked, and the North one lives on its own, even OPAL uses as much as 90%, although it seems to be antitrust law ...
            2. pytar
              pytar 18 December 2017 15: 47 New
              +3
              And if you don’t take a steam bath with transit, but simply sell it to someone directly from the well - it’s just a cry to you - the turn of those who want to line up. And the transit problems themselves at least ... decide. But they will only buy this gas for 3 pennies and they will never let you into the European market. This is the essence of the whole struggle between Gazprom and the European Commission. Europe can’t do without Russian gas, and Russia without European consumers. The whole question is where and at what price will they buy it. That's what 10 is already fighting for. This is all the European energy pacts and all the blocking of the construction of new gas pipelines about this.

              Everything is just like that! 100% true! Class from me! good
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 18 December 2017 15: 15 New
          0
          Selling is one thing, and reselling is another. In order for the Turks to make more profit than Gazprom, they must sell it twice as much as they buy, and who will take it at that price. So at the expense of nonsense, look at yourself. Gazprom has already learned the bitter experience with transit-Ukraine, and the Turks, too, are not reliable comrades.
  10. pytar
    pytar 18 December 2017 10: 08 New
    +3
    Material for this reason, I prepared for VO on Friday. Unfortunately for some reason, they did not publish it. The current state in general gives clarity. Thanks to the author! I put a class! good
    In fact, the real situation with stopping and stopping the construction of UP is very different from the one described by the media! The termination of UP was not the fault of Bulgaria and happened as a result of a whole bunch of flaws and fundamental errors! This is primarily from the side of the leadership of Gazprom!
    For the entire period from 2015 until now, the Bulgarian and Russian sides have worked in concert, to find a new one there is a better chance of advancement! This was not advertised in the media, although I even spoke here many times about VET in my comments on VO! What is the essence of what happened?
    When GAZPROM / not Bulgaria !! / refused UP, Bulgarian authorities began the development of the Balkan gas hub. This structure represents a powerful distribution unit of gas flows along with an additional network of internal gas pipelines. Those who looked at the map know that getting around Bulgaria is difficult and very expensive. While in the media all sorts of assumptions on the UP were being circulated, Bulgaria painstakingly worked to close all gas flows in its territory! Here we are talking not only about the Turkish stream, but also about other gas pipelines from Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and Iran. As a result, Bulgaria will not only be a gas transit unit but also a main flow distributor! The hub must collect all flows at one point and then distribute them in different directions to other countries. This construction is a kind of key-manager of flows. Gas pipelines and gas storages will be built to it.

    All buildings will be in the ownership of Bulgaria, although foreign investors will participate! Which is undoubtedly more profitable than the option envisaged by UP. Moreover, this time the Bulgarian side has the full support of the European Commission and other bodies in the EU. They wanted to tear out our eyes, but it turned out that they had eyelids written out!
    Bulgaria also hopes that there will be gas in the Bulgarian Black Sea eco-economic zone. In the moment, they teach in the Khan Asparuh block, in front of Dobruji. It is still unknown whether the quantities suitable for industrial production will be found, but the first results are encouraging.

    There is one more factor! In the moment there are also training courses on sites with methane gas in the Black Sea from gas hydrates. These fields are located in the south and north of the Danube Paleodelt. Part is in Romanian ter-waters, and part is in Bulgarian. Moreover, the Bulgarian more than the Romanians. The Bulgarian field has a size of 25x60 km. If the existence of these deposits is proved, Bulgaria will be provided with natural fuel for 100 years ahead. Methane is more environmentally friendly and caloric than natural gas.
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 18 December 2017 10: 22 New
      +1
      The hub must collect all threads at one point

      what a great target !!!!
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 December 2017 12: 22 New
        +4
        what a great target !!!!

        Several Russian companies have expressed interest in investing in a hub. Well, come on, take it on your own! lol By the way, in the Varna region, hundreds of thousands of Russians have real estate. Fire your grandparents! soldier Beyond this, I want to somehow remind you that a shot at such a “target” will trigger a shot at the shooter ... And so until the whole world explodes. Is it really that hard to understand? bully
    2. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 18 December 2017 10: 26 New
      +4
      This is one point of view. But in essence: the "landing" of the "friends" of Bulgaria from the USA arrived: Christopher Murphy, Ron Johnson Biden and the "sworn friend of Russia" -John McCain, Bulgaria immediately abandoned the South Stream. Here is the "chronology" of events (another point of view): https://riafan.ru/550946-kak-amerikancy-i-es-zast
      avili-bolgariyu-promenyat-yuzhnyi-potok-na-nishch
      advantage
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 December 2017 10: 48 New
        +5
        ... the "landing" of the "friends" of Bulgaria from the USA arrived: Christopher Murphy, Ron Johnson Biden and the "sworn friend of Russia" - John McCain, Bulgaria immediately abandoned the South Stream

        When you want to learn the truth about UP, it is better to avoid Russian-language sources. Most of the pulbications have for the purpose of hiding those gross blunders made by the leadership of Gazprom! Therefore, all the hype and accusations against the Bulgarians!
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 18 December 2017 10: 54 New
          +4
          Putin said: "If Bulgaria is deprived of the opportunity to behave as a sovereign state, then at least let them demand money from the European Commission for lost profits, because only direct budget revenues of Bulgaria would make at least 400 million euros per year from transit"

          RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/economy/20141202/1036071445.html

          I do not think that Putin has "read" the Russian media. By the way, did you read the entire article by reference? Everything is chewed there by last name and date.
          1. pytar
            pytar 18 December 2017 11: 48 New
            +3
            Putin said: "If Bulgaria is deprived of the opportunity ... I do not think that Putin has" read "the Russian media ...

            I have read a lot of things for all this time. In addition, he worked in the UP with the Bulgarian side for 4 years. So I could compare what politicians and the media say with real documents. I assure you, there are two different things! laughing All the time I was surprised why the Bulgarian side was silent and did not put the documents on public display! So that everyone sees what is at stake! Yes, Bulgaria could quite easily condemn Gazprom for violating the agreements! But knowing that all this time was being done, I understood why our people were silent and did not get involved in unnecessary controversy. 1 - most documents are confidential in nature and not subject to disclosure. 2 - the Bulgarian side did not want to worsen the climate of information, trying to calmly work out other options. 3 - in fact, the Bulgarian side contributed to the “face preservation” of Gazprom’s leadership, while remaining its correct partner. What turned out to be more correct and more reasonable! hi
    3. Sash0
      Sash0 18 December 2017 10: 28 New
      +3
      I’ll omit what was written at the beginning, but the last sentence is just a song, why did you get the idea that methane is more caloric and especially “environmentally friendly” Gazprom gas? Complete nonsense, learn a mat. part.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 18 December 2017 12: 49 New
        +2
        Forgive me, I haven’t been involved in chemistry since school, but still what kind of Gazprom Gas is this? Well, does he have a name there from the point of view of Chemistry?
  11. inkass_98
    inkass_98 18 December 2017 10: 20 New
    +2
    Why all these disputes? In general, we should be deep in the direction of the further direction of the flow. Our part of the deal is called "Turkish Stream", where Turkey will send it - its a private matter as the owner of the gas already received. "Who will praise me best of all ..." remember? And here the situation is the same, who is better at persuading the Sultan will receive transit.
    1. BVS
      BVS 18 December 2017 10: 37 New
      +3
      And if Turkey only buys its own gas volume, and who will sell the rest of the pipe capacity?
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 December 2017 10: 45 New
    +4
    And I think that Bulgaria needed to be circumvented (albeit more expensive ..) They constantly lay mines on Russia and always fight against Russia, and at the same time it’s like little brothers. Timing is simple, Ukraine needs to be bypassed and transit completed through it.
    1. pytar
      pytar 18 December 2017 11: 33 New
      +4
      And I think that Bulgaria needed to be circumvented (albeit more expensive ..)

      But Gazprom and the Russian Federation do not think so ... They count the money ... bully And they’re doing it right! Interests always come first! good
      They are constantly planting Russian mines and are constantly fighting against Russia

      More since the days of ancient Egypt! lol Around the pyramids where the Russian armies were held in 3 years before Christ, the Bulgarians set mines from Bulgarian hot pepper! And they fought, fought with the Russians ... Already left their bare feet on the sand! Egyptian guides still show children artifacts to Russian tourists! laughing
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  13. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 18 December 2017 10: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: To be or not to be
    Bulgaria once blundered because of = the position of the owners in the West and overseas. And the flow for it is more than 2 billion green profits per year and jobs ...

    And I’m so worried about Bulgaria ... so worried ... I just can’t even eat ... How many billion green profits? And how many jobs ... Horror takes!
    Yesterday I talked with a pensioner from Uryupinsk ... she has the same horror ...
    1. pytar
      pytar 18 December 2017 12: 02 New
      +4
      And I’m so worried about Bulgaria ... so worried ... I just can’t even eat ... How many billion green profits? And how many jobs ... Horror takes!

      In vain worry! laughing Bulgaria's GDP is growing every year. Already exceeded 50 mrd. evra! Growth in the economy stably 3,5-3,9%. Foreign exchange reserves have accumulated already 23,5 billion euros! Salaries are rising at the fastest pace of all EU countries! A funny event happened recently! I wrote a article for VO, but for some reason they did not publish it again ... We are talking about the confiscation of the Bulgarian authorities about 300 thousand. bitcoins in connection with the disclosure of one criminal group. Six months ago, these bitcoins cost 500 million. $. Now their market value has exceeded 4 000 000 000 $. Bulgarian authorities are among the largest holders of bitcoins! For the Bulgarian budget, this is a very good novelty! wassat So eat calmly! drinks
      1. patsak
        patsak 18 December 2017 14: 14 New
        +1
        Glad for the work of the Bulgarian law enforcement services. But according to various media reports, the use of confiscated bitcoins in the near future by the Bulgarian authorities is extremely problematic, as Formally, the use of any cryptocurrency in Bulgaria is prohibited. A change in legislation is needed, and this usually takes a long time. Although of course I could be wrong, well then, I apologize in advance. Your comments about TP and UP are interesting, allow you to look at the issue from a different (Bulgarian) point of view.
        1. pytar
          pytar 18 December 2017 15: 54 New
          +2
          Glad for the work of the Bulgarian law enforcement services. But according to various media reports, the use of confiscated bitcoins in the near future by the Bulgarian authorities is extremely problematic, as Formally, the use of any cryptocurrency in Bulgaria is prohibited. A change in legislation is needed, and this usually takes a long time ...

          Bearing in mind that these bitcoins are at the disposal of the Bulgarian authorities, now they cost more than 4 000 000 000 $, for some reason I am sure that the corresponding changes in the legislation will be made very quickly ... laughing Usually parliamentarians are wound up, but here it’s extreme! wink
          Your comments about TP and UP are interesting, allow you to look at the issue from a different (Bulgarian) point of view.

          I think it is always better to hear alternative opinions, especially when they come from the sources from closer to the events. hi
  14. Pacifist
    Pacifist 18 December 2017 11: 21 New
    +2
    Greece extradited a Russian citizen to the United States. The Turkish stream will not go to Greece ... I certainly don’t hint at anything ... repeat
  15. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 18 December 2017 11: 35 New
    0
    For some reason they’re not afraid to get in touch with the Bulgarians again. At an inopportune moment, they can sell on a command from the USA.
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 December 2017 11: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: avt
    and who and how the Turks suck off gas will be

    Here you are right. Let them then decide for themselves who and how much will suck.
  17. DesToeR
    DesToeR 18 December 2017 12: 00 New
    +2
    Well, lucky Bulgaria! Everything has already disappeared, but here is the manna from heaven, and even for free. It seems the Turks are taking revenge on the Greeks.
  18. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 December 2017 12: 21 New
    +5
    Quote: pytar
    And I’m so worried about Bulgaria ... so worried ... I just can’t even eat ... How many billion green profits? And how many jobs ... Horror takes!

    In vain worry! laughing Bulgaria's GDP is growing every year. Already exceeded 50 mrd. evra! Growth in the economy stably 3,5-3,9%. Foreign exchange reserves have accumulated already 23,5 billion euros! Salaries are rising at the fastest pace of all EU countries! A funny event happened recently! I wrote a article for VO, but for some reason they did not publish it again ... We are talking about the confiscation of the Bulgarian authorities about 300 thousand. bitcoins in connection with the disclosure of one criminal group. Six months ago, these bitcoins cost 500 million. $. Now their market value has exceeded 4 000 000 000 $. Bulgarian authorities are among the largest holders of bitcoins! For the Bulgarian budget, this is a very good novelty! wassat So eat calmly! drinks

    Well done, Bulgarian !!! You stand for your country, and even in broken Russian, but try to reason with ours! Maybe the time will come and we will all forget the old squabbles and really become brothers, who knows! Good luck to you.
    1. pytar
      pytar 18 December 2017 13: 09 New
      +5
      Thanks Eurodav! Thanks in your face to all the Russians who are open-minded about the Bulgarian people closest to them! hi I apologize for my Russian language! winked Just the proximity of our languages ​​is a hindrance for better learning. As it turns out to be easier to learn a completely foreign language than the close Slavic language, in which half of the words are the same with ours, and others have similar but different meanings. They are easy to confuse. yes
      Unfortunately, propaganda has been very dazzling for people! Bulgarians and Russians, despite all the political games of the ruling, were and always will be Brothers! May our common enemies not hope that they can break these millennial ties! In general, I think that for such a goal the enemies will need another thousand years ... and they don’t have as many ahead. laughing We will empower them and will not even remember them. Eternal Brotherhood! And the enemies are perishable ... hi
  19. Thracian warrior
    Thracian warrior 18 December 2017 13: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: Zaurbek
    And I believe that Bulgaria needed bypass[i] [/ i]. They constantly plant Russian mines and all the time fighting against Russia .


    Type the Bulgarians have to get around, because then they fought with Russia, but the Germans and the Italians, no, they are here, they bring the dough.

    This is no longer funny- Madhouse. wassat
  20. Alexex
    Alexex 18 December 2017 14: 26 New
    0
    Quote: pytar
    what a great target !!!!
    Several Russian companies have expressed interest in investing in a hub. Well, come on, take it on your own! By the way, in the Varna region, hundreds of thousands of Russians have real estate. Fire your grandparents! Beyond this, I want to somehow remind you that a shot at such a “target” will trigger a shot at the shooter ... And so until the whole world explodes. Is it really that hard to understand?

    misunderstood .... there are also bearded uncles with black banners, embittered ...
    1. pytar
      pytar 18 December 2017 16: 07 New
      +4
      misunderstood .... there are also bearded uncles with black banners, embittered ...

      In the "migrant memo" issued to the Turks of bearded men, Bulgaria is recorded as the most hostile country in Europe! And in this connection, beards in every possible way try to get around Bulgaria! With the non-Ponomonal people who came, we do not stand on ceremony! Along the border with Turkey, volunteer patrols “bearded hunters” patrol! They are disassembled from the Ishilovites without any formalities! The authorities close their eyes and pretend that they do not know about the "hunters"! In fact, both border guards and volunteers work together! Contrary to all expectations, Bulgaria, which turned out to be the first on the path of Islamic hordes, turned out to be a tough nut! soldier I think it will continue this way! Black banners will not pass through our borders! stop
  21. Town Hall
    Town Hall 18 December 2017 19: 41 New
    0
    Quote: alexmach
    But how, then, next to it, a pan from Bulgaria says that they themselves will build a transit infrastructure and will control it themselves. Everything as you wanted in your third pact. Gazprom gas, transit - the Bulgarians, whom to sell to the end user - also found. And the fact that gas to Turkey and through its territory will go through the Gazprom gas pipeline - so you keep in mind that your laws only work on your territory. Well, if you suddenly decide not to let Gazprom’s gas flow, then what will your own antitrust laws say about this?

    By the way, pay attention that the South Stream has been blocked, and the North one lives on its own, even OPAL uses as much as 90%, although it seems to be antitrust law ...




    A pan from Bulgaria can tell everything he wants. TANAP, TAP and other pipelines are built by different consortia. They belong to them. And not to Bulgaria. Bulgaria is just one of the transit countries and its "share" is just payment for transit through its territory .possibly on construction contracts they will earn something.


    According to the law, no one can “charter” more than 50% of the gas pipeline’s throughput capacity. 50% of TANAPA are reserved for Turkmen and Azerbaijani gas. It’s actually being built for them. The remaining 50 will be shared by others, including Gazprom. In the best case he shines 10 yards a year. Through Ukraine go EMNIP something about 80 yards.


    The Nord Stream does not fully fall under the 3rd energy package because it is offshore, it’s practically offshore. But it already falls on land. And Gazprom has only recently received the right to transfer for 50% and only for a while and only because there are no other applicants at the moment .And in the south there are plenty of willing
    1. pytar
      pytar 18 December 2017 21: 20 New
      +2
      A pan from Bulgaria can tell whatever he wants.

      Town Hall, dispute on an empty place. He says something very specific very early. Of course there are plans, but they are not disclosed. Which is understandable until the appropriate investment profiles are gathered. According to Bulgarian publishers, to create a Balkan hub along with additional facilities will require about 2,5 billion euro. Which is not so much.
      In Bulgaria, in addition to transiting a significant part of the flows and providing itself with fuel, there is no other purpose. What other gas pipelines are realizing will soon be seen. But almost all of them cross the territory of Bulgaria, no matter what property. And as for the scope of jurisdiction of European law, you are right. It so far extends to the coast of the EU member states. In that sense, no one would have prevented Gazprom from reaching the YuP pipe to Varna, but then ... there are different rules. The truth is that the European Parliament is going to expand the jurisdiction of the EC to the so-called. EU maritime economic zones. Which will put before the complexity those projects that will be completed after that. Changes to laws will not be reflected in projects under implementation. Sight Severny stream.
      1. Town Hall
        Town Hall 18 December 2017 21: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        Town Hall, dispute on an empty place. He says something very specific very early. Of course there are plans, but they are not announced



        In principle, I didn’t argue. I just said that the pipelines are being built by international consortiums created for this. They will “command” them. Bulgaria will receive money for transit, provision of land, etc., and Bulgarian companies will benefit. Most likely, some of the contracts will go to them. it is common practice with such projects.

        Bulgaria will build part of the infrastructure for its money, it will naturally belong to it.
  22. earloop
    earloop 19 December 2017 00: 02 New
    0
    TP for Russia is better than UP. Russia sees a prospect and is successfully working in this direction: the military operations in Syria are over ... And the "cunning" little brothers, let them buy, for currency, not for tomatoes.
    1. pytar
      pytar 19 December 2017 10: 13 New
      +2
      TP for Russia is better than UP. Russia sees a prospect and is successfully working in this direction: the military operations in Syria are over ... And the "cunning" little brothers, let them buy, for currency, not for tomatoes.

      So, everyone is happy! You can’t imagine any better! good In Syria, such a compote has formed that will not settle down for a long time. As for tomatoes, Bulgarian exports are increasing at 14-16% per year. And there are a wide range of goods in it! Electronics come first. And 10% forms an IT business. On the whole, in 2017, Bulgaria exported goods and services for 22 billion billion euros. 5 GDP has been growing for a year in a row with 3,8-4,0%! In 2018 g. Should reach 52 billion euros! This is an absolute record for the whole history of Bulgaria and it will break the record with 2017 g. / 50 bln. And if you still don’t know, everything in the world is sold and bought for currency. By the way, the Bulgarian lion is such a currency, while one of the most stable. It is pegged with a currency board per euro and in itself is a kind of euro. The course is unchanged / ~ 2 leva = 1 euro / for many years. bully
  23. Town Hall
    Town Hall 19 December 2017 11: 53 New
    0
    Quote: andj61
    About the birds, so the birds. There are two more points - Turkmen gas for the next 10 years has been fully contracted by China and Russia, there are no large free volumes.



    With the country, once the largest buyer, the country was unable to agree on a new contract price for gas - in 2016, Gazprom completely stopped importing from Turkmenistan. And on January 1, 2017, Turkmengaz, on its own initiative, stopped deliveries to Iran, accusing National Iran Gas Co of non-payment of about $ 2 billion of debt (according to Interfax).

    Refusal to cooperate with Gazprom has already forced Turkmenistan to reduce gas production - from 69,6 billion cubic meters. m in 2015 to 66,8 billion cubic meters. m in 2016. Own consumption at the level of 29,5 billion cubic meters. m and the loss of all markets, except for Chinese, could lead to a surplus in gas production in the country another 8 billion cubic meters. m per year.
  24. kokocharnikov
    kokocharnikov 24 December 2017 00: 40 New
    +1
    Yes, the Bulgarians are bad, and the Turks are good ... Remember at least 1 case that the Bulgarians shot down a Russian sacholet, even if it did not violate its space, and then shot a machine gun from a parachute from a parachute? No, of course, even in the whole second world such case unknown .. Do you know the case that the Russian ambassadors were shot in Bulgaria, and then the killer was shot during the capture, so that he didn’t recognize who ordered the Russian ambassador to be killed? Of course, they didn’t hear either one or the other, because there wasn’t such a thing in Bulgaria and it won’t be, but it’s exactly what you received from your new “friends” of your favorite Turks. “You won’t get rid of tomatoes”, you told them after 24.11.2015 because of the Su-24, but soon you forgot about revenge and a sense of honor, for profit from flows and hatred of the weaker — to the Bulgarians — and for what they really are to blame, and for not for everything in one, and for money, of course, they accepted a false apology of the alleged “apology” of one Ruler who entrusted these crimes against Russia, they ceased to expose him in ties with Isis, etc., and in new, as in the 39th, with such “dark forces” became friends — will this friendship last long, or like in the past? Are you everywhere mocking us that the Cyrillic (and not Glagolitic) did not come from Bulgaria, but even though from Serbia, Australia, from Mars, just not from us, or false mutilations of history, supposedly the Bulgarians fought in the Second World War and maybe + shot at you — but where, interestingly, in your imagination, confusing with Romanians or Hungarians for example .. . It doesn’t matter what is true and what is not .. also the Russian lie about Erdogan’s alleged invitation on March 3, Goebbels died for a long time, but you gentlemen do not care about the methods of propaganda of this criminal leader, so we adopted a lie against us ... so -when you are right, right, there is nothing to say. But if someone is wrong, I can tell him, Your business is wrong. Victory will not be yours .. It will only be due to how it says in the film "Brother" power? For a just cause. And when our history is regularly crippled and you don’t give a damn about all the Bulgarians, even if you don’t disagree with anyone, only because of nat-chauvinistic motivations, when you gloat about us about any grief and the tragedy of scrap metal in 2014 , and for the cunning disaster we have, think right or not right you have a cause ...