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Russia - Sparta, and who are you?

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British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, on the eve of his visit to Russia, suddenly made a very strange statement. I remembered the Peloponessian War, which was in 431 — 404. BC. I compared Russia with ancient Sparta, and my country and the USA with Athens.




In an interview with the Sunday Times newspaper, Johnson became frustrated: "I read history Peloponnesian War Thucydides. It was obvious to me that Athens and their democracy, openness, culture and civilization are analogous to the USA and the West. Russia seemed to me closed, unfriendly and anti-democratic, like, Sparta».

A lot more was spoken by the minister, but among Russian politicians it was this analogy that caused quite a fair laugh. Thus, according to the deputy chairman of the State Duma’s international affairs committee, Alexei Chepa, the head of the British Foreign Ministry’s “doesn't know enough past and modern history". The deputy also noted that it was not worth making such comparisons on the eve of his visit to Moscow.

The head of the Committee on Constitutional Legislation of the Federation Council, Andrei Klishas, ​​completely reminded who won the war the British referred to: “Johnson would be worth remembering the results of the Peloponnesian War. Athens suffered defeat in it, which was caused by their absolutely consumer policy towards their allies.».

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova responded to the statement. Condemning the incorrect comparison, she stressed: “And the point is not even that Russia has never been a belligerent country, unlike the same European states. The essence of the contradictions between Athens and Sparta is the oligarchy as the basis of the latter’s structure. I think nothing more oligarchic than the UK is impossible to imagine».

Well, thanks to Johnson for not recalling the Punic Wars and not saying: “Russia must be destroyed” (although this seems to be the case with most Western politicians now not in language, but in mind). On the contrary, he even regretted that cooperation was not working. At least, such as he understands. (Such “cooperation” as Washington and London would like to see - so that Moscow completely forgot about its own interests).

«Together we defeated Nazism"- Johnson remembered. (But, most recently, his ally Trump claimed that it was the United States who defeated Nazism). "We need to work together again to defeat Islamist terrorism.“- continued the British politician.

I wonder what are the practical steps the UK for the sake of victory over Islamist terrorism? Everything was exactly the opposite - London, along with Washington and other partners doing everything possible to support terrorists in Syria.

It is enough to at least remember why Johnson canceled his visit to Russia, which was to be held in April 2017. This happened due to the exacerbation of the situation in Syria - after Donald Trump attacked the Syrian Shairat airbase, thereby helping the ISIL militants (an organization banned in the Russian Federation). Official Moscow, of course, sharply condemned the act of American aggression, and Johnson, as a faithful dog, expressed solidarity with the actions of the United States and did not go to Russia.

But now, after having made an anti-Russian attack, citing an inappropriate historical parallel, he suggests "defeating Islamist terrorism" in the same system as Russia. Moreover, he suddenly "remembered" that he himself had a Russian name, that his mother was a granddaughter of a Russian-Jewish paleograph. Well, flattered himself - it turns out, and in it flows "Spartan blood" (even if the "seventh water on the kissel").

And yet, in his words, "Russia has not been as hostile to the United Kingdom or Western interests since the end of the Cold War". At the same time, Johnson “forgot” that it is the West that has done everything possible to cool this relationship.

In 1999, the NATO countries (including Britain) staged a barbaric bombardment of Yugoslavia. After that, pro-Western sentiment in Russian society was replaced by anti-Western. Then the West arranged for Russia to defame when it dared to stand up for Abkhazia and South Ossetia. And after Moscow had its own opinion about the events in Syria, as well as about the neo-Nazi “Euromaidan” - the relationship was completely “cooled”. To such an extent that now in his interview he is trying to insult Russia.

But this is only a miserable attempt: I wanted to insult, but it did not work out. For comparison with the Spartans, in fact, very flattering. Sparta is associated, first of all, not with the words "closed", "unfriendly", "anti-democratic". Sparta is associated primarily with unprecedented heroism and extraordinary resilience. And this is precisely the quality of the Russians, which has been proven in practice, in many wars.

But with what then can the West be associated? Maybe with Athens? Well, if you just remember that there was a slave system. By and large, the current Western-style capitalism - this is a veiled slavery. And the West, including Britain, suppresses all alternative social projects. The Soviet state has been destroyed, the Libyan Jamahiriya has been savagely destroyed, attacks on Latin American socialism are being carried out right now ...

But, of course, ancient Athens cannot be associated exclusively with slavery. Johnson, comparing his country and the United States with Athens, had in mind the positive aspects of ancient Hellas. And the positive side was the unprecedented flourishing of philosophy and the arts. As for the modern West - he actually renounced his great culture. When the market dominates the arts, they are replaced by chewing gum for the average person.

But the main - Western countries today are destroying the ancient culture of other countries. With the connivance of NATO, the ancient churches and monasteries in Kosovo and Metohija were destroyed and burned. With the direct complicity of Britain and the United States, the museums of Iraq and Libya have been barbarously looted. With the approval of the West, the terrorists destroyed many beautiful, ancient, unique things that happened in Syria. The Russian and Syrian soldiers, at the cost of enormous sacrifices, succeeded in liberating ancient Palmyra — but Apamea and Bosra remain under the heel of the militants. Temples and mosques were blown up, priceless exhibits stolen by “oppositionists” were sold out ...

No, you can not compare the current West with Athens. And even with the Persians, who were opposed by the legendary Spartans 300, it is impossible. Now the Persians are opposed to the West, which threatens to bomb Iran, regardless of its historical legacy (what to say of the civilians whom the authors of the wars never regretted?).

Rather, the West (of course, in the person of leaders, not peoples) can be compared with barbarians. This is a special type of barbarians. It - pseudo-civilized barbarianswho with one hand "fight against terrorism", with the other - grow it and at the same time are ready to stomp their feet on all those who resist, all those who dare to go their own way and have their own ideas about freedom, democracy and justice.
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  1. Hoc vince
    Hoc vince 18 December 2017 10: 15
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    "Russia - Sparta, and who are you?"
    Someone (on the Internet) called the West "Sadom and Gamora", then Russia was Noah's Ark.
    1. Sergey-svs
      Sergey-svs 18 December 2017 10: 57
      14
      Quote: Hoc vince
      "Russia - Sparta, and who are you?"

      Anglo-Saxons like to expose themselves - white and fluffy. yes We are evil and wild Spartans, and they are up to democracy, although all history has lived only through enslavement and colonization!negative But Boris should, as it were, be careful about scattering historical comparisons, because it is well known that Athens was defeated at the end of the war and lost Sparta to hegemony in the region! lol

      PS The main thing is that we ourselves would not turn into Athens, where everything was decided only by liberal democrats, but in the end the country was blown away anyway! negative
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 18 December 2017 12: 13
        +9
        Quote: Sergey-svs
        We are evil and wild Spartans, and they are upward of democracy,

        Thanks to 300 Spartans at Thermopylae, Greece generally stood up against the Persians.
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 18 December 2017 12: 17
          +7
          Quote: NEXUS
          Thanks to 300 Spartans at Thermopylae, Greece generally stood up against the Persians.




          Seriously? ... when was the last time a history textbook for at least the 5th grade was opened?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 18 December 2017 12: 25
            +9
            Quote: Town Hall
            Seriously? ... when was the last time a history textbook for at least the 5th grade was opened?

            And did you, dear, even open textbooks at school or stupidly sit out lessons? If Leonid didn’t block the gorge in the narrowest part and won’t buy time for the Greek army, Xerxes would besiege Athens and burn other cities of Greece.
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 18 December 2017 12: 59
              +4
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: Town Hall
              Seriously? ... when was the last time a history textbook for at least the 5th grade was opened?

              And did you, dear, even open textbooks at school or stupidly sit out lessons? If Leonid didn’t block the gorge in the narrowest part and won’t buy time for the Greek army, Xerxes would besiege Athens and burn other cities of Greece.



              Yeah ... how sad everything is ... The trick is that Xerxes burned Athens and conquered most of Greece ...
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 18 December 2017 15: 01
                +7
                Quote: Town Hall
                Yeah ... how sad everything is ... The trick is that Xerxes burned Athens and conquered most of Greece ...

                Indeed, how sad it all is ... you still can’t read it thoughtfully. I say that at the very moment when the battle at Thermopylae occurred, 300 Spartans led by Leonid, holding back Xerxes’ army in a narrow place of the gorge, won time for the greek army. fool And then what happened was another story. It's about Sparta and this battle itself.
                1. Anton Capucin
                  Anton Capucin 20 December 2017 20: 25
                  +1
                  They wanted to tell you that there were not three hundred of them, but about 5 thousand. In addition to Sparta, there were also incriminations, which Leonid drove there with threats and weapons. This does not cancel the feat of arms, but it is necessary to share reality and epic or legend.
            2. AsKet84
              AsKet84 19 December 2017 11: 22
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              Dear, when did a handful of Spartans detain Persians? According to the authors of the manuscripts: Passed through the gorge, not without difficulty, like a knife through oil ... And only then Marathon, and then the naval battle at Thermopylae decided the outcome of the campaign .. And the war did not continue 4 hours of screen time (300 "s", "The Empire strikes back -sea) .a few years ..
              1. jhltyjyjctw
                jhltyjyjctw 20 December 2017 11: 06
                +2
                Marathon is a different, early story. Something like this.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 12: 27
            +3
            Well, you’re crazy, Leonid and the Spartans have beguiled .. laughing
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 18 December 2017 12: 33
              +6
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Well, you’re crazy, Leonid and the Spartans have beguiled .. laughing

              Are you this to me? Actually, Tsar Leonid was the king of Sparta at that time ... and it was Xerxes who ordered his head to be cut off from an already dead body after the battle and put on a stake.
              1. andj61
                andj61 18 December 2017 13: 27
                +5
                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Well, you’re crazy, Leonid and the Spartans have beguiled .. laughing

                Are you this to me? Actually, Tsar Leonid was the king of Sparta at that time ... and it was Xerxes who ordered his head to be cut off from an already dead body after the battle and put on a stake.

                Under Thermopylae, not only the Spartans were, and indeed the army under the command of Leonid was larger, but he saved him by sending him inland.
                and ten years of his reign, Leonid I did nothing significant, but immortalized his name by the battle of Thermopylae (Warm Gate). He defended with 6 thousand soldiers (including the personal guard of 300 Spartans) the Thermopilus passage during the attack of the Persian troops and died in battle.

                The ruler of Achaemenid Persia Xerxes I attacked Greece in the summer of 480 BC. e. Leonid I came forward to meet him with a detachment of 300 Spartans and 5620 soldiers from other cities. The Greeks entrenched themselves in the gorge of Thermopylae with the intention of protecting this narrow passage as long as possible.
                200 Persians for two days unsuccessfully stormed Thermopylae. However, the traitor Efialt led a detachment of "immortals" (Persian guards) at night on a mountain path, bypassing the positions of Leonid I, to strike the Greeks from the rear. After receiving a message about this, Leonid saved most of the troops, sending him inland, and he remained in Thermopylae with 000 Spartans. Of their own free will also 700 Thespians under the command of Demofil and 400 Thebans under the leadership of Leontiad. To cover the retreat, Leonid’s warriors rushed towards the Persians and restrained their advance until everyone lay down on the battlefield. Enraged by the heavy losses and desperate resistance of the Spartans, Xerxes I ordered to search for the body of Leonid, chop off his head and put on a stake, and beat the body to the side of his personal ship.

                But for some reason, neither Thespians nor Thebans remember - all the glory went to the Spartans, although both these and these heroically died! hi
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 18 December 2017 15: 03
                  +5
                  Quote: andj61
                  Under Thermopylae, not only the Spartans were,

                  I know. But having blocked the gorge in the narrowest place, the Spartans, holding back the enemy, won time for the Greek army. That's what I'm talking about. It is clear that there were not only Spartans with Leonid. hi
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 18 December 2017 23: 15
                    +2
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    gained time for the Greek army.

                    Which she - the Greek army - did not use.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 15: 05
                +3
                Is it true? Something I'm confused. laughing
        2. Antares
          Antares 18 December 2017 13: 52
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Sergey-svs
          We are evil and wild Spartans, and they are upward of democracy,

          Thanks to 300 Spartans at Thermopylae, Greece generally stood up against the Persians.

          Having surrendered Miletus and MA, having won the Marathon (Athens-Platea), Athens organized an alliance with Sparta and 30 cities of the states.
          The main part of the victory belongs to Athens at sea, and the land belongs to Sparta (but almost everything was carried out under the command of Athens). However, it is worth noting that it was in the union of the Greek states that the trouble was averted.
          300 Spartans are a common myth.
          There was an article on VO
          https://topwar.ru/1834-mif-pro-300-spartancev.htm
          l
          There is no consensus on who is the main source of victory over the Persians. The Union of Greek Cities won. The Spartans themselves would be defeated.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 18 December 2017 15: 05
            +6
            Quote: Antares
            The main part of the victory belongs to Athens at sea, and the land - to Sparta (but almost everything was carried out under the command of Athens)

            Right. But precisely, speaking of that battle at Thermopylae, the Spartans gave time to the main forces of Greece. And I won’t talk about victory in the war ...
            1. dSK
              dSK 18 December 2017 21: 10
              10
              Hello Andrey!
              Quote: NEXUS
              the Spartans gave
              An article by Yegor Kholmogorov on TV Tsargrad (18.12.17/12/XNUMX): The Thirty Years Peloponnesian War between the Athenian Maritime Union and the Peloponnesian Union led by Sparta ended in the crushing defeat of Athens and the absolute triumph of Sparta. Athens, who lost their fleet in the battle of the Egospotamians, were forced to surrender, accept the Spartan military guard overseer, limit the fleet to XNUMX ships, dissolve the Maritime Union, and abandon democracy. If we apply this analogy to the present, then Boris Johnson predicts that the United States will have to dissolve NATO, transfer its aircraft carriers and submarines to Russia, eliminate nuclear weapons and missile defense, replace the current "democracy" with the power of "friends of Putin" under the supervision of the Russian ambassador, similar Britain is also waiting for fate (what if it befalls the fate of the city of Plathea?). The analogy is not very inspiring for the West. " hi
              1. dSK
                dSK 18 December 2017 21: 18
                +4
                "The Spartans have long been the hegemons of Hellas and for most of their history won victories (over Athens - always), being subjugated only by the power of Rome, which formally recognized Sparta as an independent city, an ally of the Roman people. Tradition of Tsar Leonid and his 300 Spartans and the concept "concise remarks" became the property of world culture. So in logic, Johnson made Russia a chic compliment. " Johnson with his statement in one fell swoop significantly increased Russia's place in this coordinate grid. About two hundred years ago, his predecessors in the post would have compared us with the wild hordes from the icy Tartaria, a hundred years ago they would have compared us with the despotic Persian kingdom. William Mitford in his History of Greece (1784) extolled Sparta and wrote in disgust about democratic Athens. " Egor Kholmogorov is a Russian conservative publicist, writer, politician. The author of the term "Russian Spring". Creator of the Russian Browser and 100 Books projects, editor-in-chief of the New Chronicles website. Member and ideologist of the Russian national liberation movement in the Crimea and New Russia.
              2. kozerog
                kozerog 19 December 2017 11: 11
                +4
                Yes, Boris, superficiality will not bring to good ... "study, study and study again", the Anglo-Saxons are ignorant, grandfather correctly bequeathed, however ...
        3. andrew42
          andrew42 25 December 2017 10: 23
          0
          It sounds heroic, but doubtful. Nobody canceled the military prowess of the Lacedaemon warriors, but in fact they only covered up the withdrawal of that “Hellas national team”, which they managed to sprinkle in half with sin to keep the “Fermopil line”, and these forces were clearly not enough. This is clear even from the crumbs of historical information that is available at the present time. Athens was really looted, but it’s strange that Xerxes ’“ barbarians ”did not raze them to the ground, and judging by the quick subsequent economic resurrection of Athens, they did without fanaticism. Xerxes was by no means stopped by 300 berserkers from Sparta, but by the death of the Persian and Allied fleets, the strengthening of Corinth, and affairs within his own empire, made up of numerous scraps. Very reminiscent of the situation of the Napoleonic zugzwang "Moscow-1812" ..
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        1. staviator
          staviator 19 December 2017 11: 38
          +3
          right in the bottom line in a black frame, could not stand the sanctions. sad
        2. bk316
          bk316 22 December 2017 11: 43
          +2
          What is GDP necromancer? Berezovsky’s corpse raised to battle?
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 18 December 2017 11: 27
      +2
      Gather a crowd of men, and go, FIG knows where to kill the invaders in the mountains. This is not a question for Russia. But, then, that the commander is half-naked, and anointed himself with oil, here the Russians would have thought
      1. Forcecom
        Forcecom 18 December 2017 12: 08
        +6
        By the way, I recommend viewing the previous picture of the yet-not-spoiled Hollywood about the Spartans, dated 1962, a picture was shot in Greece, up to 5000 soldiers of the Greek army were involved in the battle scene, More than a solid product.
    3. the most important
      the most important 18 December 2017 13: 02
      +3
      Quote: Hoc vince
      "Russia - Sparta, and who are you?"

      Guadeloupe they ... Guadeloupe!
    4. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 18 December 2017 14: 07
      0
      Hoc vince Today, 10:15 AM

      And in "SPART" bureaucrats came up with a new
      "" The Ministry of Construction is developing a bill "on burial and funeral business." ""
      http://www.aif.ru
      However !!!
    5. horhe48
      horhe48 19 December 2017 13: 32
      +3
      Historical counterparts are hardly relevant in assessing the so-called west and Russia. After humpback and boron drunk in the west, Russia was scrapped and identified as a raw materials appendage. Our country has partially departed from this. It is independent politically, but continues to be economically and technologically dependent. That is the whole difficulty of the current situation. And who are we? We are Russia.
    6. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 19 December 2017 14: 33
      +6
      Elena Gromova, as always - not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! But it could be tougher! smile The whole philosophy of the West is robbery, if you can, if you can not - lie and steal. Barbarians and savages - what to take from them ?!
    7. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 19 December 2017 21: 35
      +3
      Quote: Hoc vince
      "Russia - Sparta, and who are you?"

      And these are nobody, dog shit.
    8. Anton Capucin
      Anton Capucin 20 December 2017 19: 36
      +1
      Are you sure that we need to take these humanoid bodies to the Ark. I’m directly waiting for these crowds of highly spiritual and liberal educated to rush to us, when waves of “barbarians” whose countries they destroyed, or descendants of slaves on whose bones and blood they made capital, will overflow. I do not want to live in the Ark, let them drown themselves without us. There is a price for everything, so let it be paid in full.
  2. Basil50
    Basil50 18 December 2017 10: 19
    +7
    So here’s the movie act on a weak brain, even with a high-ranking official. And not to say that he does not have an education, it seems like he graduated from university. And how much advertising was before the appointment, and everything turns out to be absurd, which he himself voices and commits.
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 18 December 2017 13: 04
      +1
      Having written about the movie making, I meant that everything was distorted there. Under Thermopylae there were 300 Spartans and several thousand Greeks not from Sparta, about 500 more Greek soldiers defended a detour in the mountains. All of them died defending Greece.
      But only the Spartans were promoted, forgetting to mention the other defenders, among whom were the Athenians.
      1. andj61
        andj61 18 December 2017 13: 40
        +1
        Quote: Vasily50
        Having written about the movie making, I meant that everything was distorted there. Under Thermopylae there were 300 Spartans and several thousand Greeks not from Sparta, about 500 more Greek soldiers defended a detour in the mountains. All of them died defending Greece.
        But only the Spartans were promoted, forgetting to mention the other defenders, among whom were the Athenians.

        The Athenians were not there at all - under the leadership of Leonid there were about 6000 soldiers, including 300 Spartans - his own guard. He, along with the Spartans, remained to cover up the withdrawal of this army, having learned that the Persians had bypassed them. Of their own free will, there were also 700 Thespians under the command of Demofil and 400 Thebans under the leadership of Leontiad. All died. hi
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 19 December 2017 10: 14
          0
          That's just the retreating troops also fell to defend Greece. But only the Spartans are remembered.
  3. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 10: 20
    +4
    Well, Johnson made a reservation on Freud.
  4. cannabis
    cannabis 18 December 2017 10: 24
    +4
    Elena Gromova! The barbarians are WE! Var - var! This is PROTECTION. In order to protect ourselves from infection, we BREW water, (boil). Protecting hands from the cold, we put on Mittens. In Poland there is the Warta River - a water barrier in front of a chain of fortresses. So to designate the western neighbors it is better to use the term "pseudo-civilized cannibals".
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 18 December 2017 12: 41
      +3
      what verbal fabrications are strange. You also need to add a monitor lizard, Bartholomew’s night, a bluethroat bird, Varlaam, a harp and option. By the way, in Europe they say barbara. What does it mean? And then - a ram, a drum, a barometer?
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 18 December 2017 12: 48
        +1
        Varganit is from the god Svarog, the protector of the Slavs. Europe is the former lands of the Slavs, gradually occupied by cannibals from Africa, naturally speaking the bird language. For them, the Russian was “master,” that is, “bearded,” hence the “barbudos,” the bearded men.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 19 December 2017 01: 03
          +3
          Well, thank you! I didn’t know! It remains from the same point of view to explain the rest of the words and many others! Barbara is a barbarian in a different transcription, but not a bearded man at all, he has nothing to do with the master! And comes from onomatopoeia - var-var-var-var or bar-bar-bar, as strange speech meant. Russian drill, drill, from which to growl. Just do not try to explain that, therefore, the bear was called brown, and this also has nothing to do with the Boers in Africa. Read heresy, then try to spread it.
          1. cannabis
            cannabis 19 December 2017 08: 16
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            No gratitude, I do this for you from the generosity of the Russian soul! Have you not noticed the beginning of a new campaign of cannibals on European lands? To understand why this is being done, I will illustrate the recent past: At the beginning of the 70s, draftees from Central Asia were driven into the Soviet army in bulk. Not only did they practically not know the Russian language, they brought with them chewing nasvay, smoking hashish, hugging at a meeting and squatting in Zekovsky style. And what can you see now? After 40 years, all this infection has taken root and spread among the Slavs who smoke hashish and hug in the streets like women. What am I talking about? Yes, that deep - deep in the bowels of the Central Committee of the CPSU sat the enemies of the Russian people, and even now these enemies are full in the government, judging by their affairs. There is no politics, economics, science, education and health care on the planet, madam — there is an ongoing war against the white race. Russian language is the repository of the spiritual forces of our people and it is in a constant siege of enemies. So you brought a kind of foreign word TRANSCRIPTION. But this is a native Russian word.
            1. a housewife
              a housewife 19 December 2017 09: 30
              +3
              In my opinion you are just a racist. On earth there is a war between Good and Evil. So - you are on the side of Evil, although it seems to you that the opposite. The Russian people have always been on the side of Good and Justice. Do not write anymore, I will neither read nor answer your thoughts.
              1. cannabis
                cannabis 19 December 2017 09: 35
                0
                You just have no arguments. In nature there is neither Good nor Evil. But the Truth, Justice and Moderation is from the Russian Vedic tradition. Do not read it in any case! Get infected is not even an hour ......
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 19 December 2017 21: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: cunning
                  But the Truth, Justice and Moderation is from the Russian Vedic tradition.

                  Why don’t you follow this justice and moderation, but preach ordinary fascism?
                  1. cannabis
                    cannabis 20 December 2017 05: 12
                    0
                    And what is fascism? At the bailiff service of the Russian Federation on cockade and coat of arms "Fashina". On the arch of the General Staff in St. Petersburg - "fascin". Is this also propaganda of fascism? What we used to call "fascism" is actually ideological banditry, in which ideology serves to justify banditry, and banditry serves to establish ideology. A modern example from Ukraine is the “right sector”. Typical ideological banditry, "Bendery" too. So, dear man, you need to understand the essence of what you are talking about.
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 20 December 2017 17: 57
                      +1
                      Quote: cunning
                      And what is fascism? At the bailiff service of the Russian Federation on cockade and coat of arms "Fashina". On the arch of the General Staff in St. Petersburg - "fascin".

                      You pretend to be a symbolic fascist and are actual. This is not about symbols, but about your racist views.
                      1. cannabis
                        cannabis 20 December 2017 18: 02
                        0
                        A quote from Heinlein: "You have an interestingly arranged mental apparatus! You constantly mix thoughts."
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 18 December 2017 23: 20
      +1
      Quote: cunning
      The barbarians are WE!

      War var from English is that? Twice warriors? Or warriors squared.
      1. cannabis
        cannabis 19 December 2017 08: 17
        0
        What is English?
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 December 2017 10: 41
    +1
    the head of the British Foreign Ministry "knows little enough about past and modern history."

    ... an anecdote to the topic: "I thought you were playing bad cards, but you generally can’t play!" ... bully
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 December 2017 11: 17
    +5
    Sparta is associated primarily with unprecedented heroism and extraordinary resilience. And this is precisely the quality of the Russians, which has been proven in practice, in many wars.
    I would also focus on this comparison and calmly wish Europe (England in particular) to bend quickly.
  7. solzh
    solzh 18 December 2017 11: 22
    +1
    From the article K. Bogdanov, M. Ermak, R.A. Ismailov, S. Starkov 'Carthage must be destroyed "? 2002

    And now, after millennia, at a new round of history, the war of “gold” and “sword” broke out again, and just as the confrontation between Rome and Carthage once determined the face of the Ancient World, the outcome of this war will determine the face of the New World - the world of the XNUMXst century. The war is already going on, the conflict is escalating every month, and although this war is not openly discussed in the press, it is not difficult to get summaries of military operations from its fronts by looking at stock quotes on the world's stock exchanges or the results of opinion polls. This war has its heroes and its victims, but, like any civilizational conflict, it means much more to the fate of the World than any ordinary war ...
    This never-ending and undeclared war
  8. Lexus
    Lexus 18 December 2017 11: 26
    +5
    Russia - Sparta, and who are you?

    Directly dreamed Borya what? And I thought, why would Xerxes "sip" ...
  9. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 December 2017 11: 49
    +6
    I already wrote when I finally understood why in Soviet times, 90% (or maybe more) of private male pigs were called by our grandparents Borki !!! I am now firmly convinced of this understanding, thanks to the foggy Albionian Borka !!!
    Well, as for Sparta, then if Borka was born there in those days, he would have been thrown off the hill for sure ... Then they came down to collect wet smelly pieces ... and threw off again !!! This is Sparta!!!
  10. A.
    A. 18 December 2017 12: 01
    +2
    Thank you for your articles!
    For patriotism!
  11. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 18 December 2017 12: 06
    +5
    Very in line with our Boris, the nedospartan - the Athenian, it turned out.
    I really like this comparison - us with Sparta.
    Firstly, it was Sparta with the allies (Corinth, Thebes) who won in the Peloponnesian Union.
    And secondly, democrats and tolerant "rainbow" ones with sided yellow-blakitnye - these are exactly those from the Athenian Union.
    In this case, we will not focus on the “fighting fraternity” of the Theban army, because the Athenian army practiced the same thing. And even, no matter how much worse.
    Although, they were all worth each other there. Except the Spartans.
    I wonder why Borya did not compare Nazi Germany with Sparta, while the same fascists, eugenics was much more seriously posed. Oh, I completely forgot - and Holland is now fond of it, they invented special coffins for euthanasia.
    Yes, inattentively he read the Peloponessian War. According to the comics, probably.
  12. NEXUS
    NEXUS 18 December 2017 12: 10
    +5
    But most importantly - Western countries today destroy the ancient culture of other countries. With the connivance of NATO, ancient churches and monasteries in Kosovo and Metohija were destroyed and burned. With the direct complicity of Britain and the USA, the museums of Iraq and Libya were barbarously plundered. With the approval of the West, the terrorists destroyed much of the beautiful, ancient, unique that was in Syria. Russian and Syrian troops, at the cost of enormous casualties, managed to free the ancient Palmyra - but Apamea and Bosra continue to remain under the fifth of the militants. Temples and mosques were blown up, priceless exhibits stolen by “oppositionists” were sold out ...

    And then all this loot will appear at Christie and Sotheby's auctions ... Anglo-Saxons behave like Germans in the Second World War. How many churches were destroyed, museums looted throughout Europe and the USSR.
  13. Conductor
    Conductor 18 December 2017 12: 21
    +2
    If we are Sparta, then it is a federation of the cities of Lesvos, Gomos, Tolerantis.
    1. andj61
      andj61 18 December 2017 13: 43
      0
      Quote: Conductor
      If we are Sparta, then it is a federation of the cities of Lesvos, Gomos, Tolerantis.

      Lesbos is an island!
  14. Terenin
    Terenin 18 December 2017 12: 23
    +7
    All the "eccentricities of Borisov" and the hedgehog with him are controllable. Studying the sequence of these statements is meaningless since the essence of their thinking is not clear. For example, I don’t understand what is the reason? Without it, it is difficult to build a defense strategy.
    Either the West is completely degrading, judging by the statements of individual politicians and congressmen, or there is a single management strategy to destroy our state. Judging by the fact that German tanks are again standing at our western borders (even if it is part of NATO) and the activation of the 5th column inside the country, all the same I am being led to the second.
  15. a.sirin
    a.sirin 18 December 2017 12: 58
    +1
    Articles like the one written by Mrs. Gromova slowly but surely inflate people with hatred and inspire a sense of self-superiority - not on the basis of real achievements, but by suggesting an alleged own superiority.
    As for "... When the market dominates the arts, they are replaced by chewing gum for the layman." relative to the west, then ... look at Russian TV ...
    1. elenagromova
      18 December 2017 13: 06
      +1
      And can you clarify - how do people pump up words like what Johnson said?
      1. a.sirin
        a.sirin 18 December 2017 13: 47
        +1
        Johnson didn’t say anything like that - the usual performance of the weather-related politician. But the comment of our lady is yes
    2. Antares
      Antares 18 December 2017 14: 33
      0
      Quote: a.sirin
      Madame Gromova, slowly but surely inflate people with hatred and inspire a sense of self-superiority - not on the basis of real achievements, but through the suggestion of supposedly own superiority.

      The usual primitive tactic is a divorce on emotions. A person is a very emotional creature, it is enough to hold the initial psychological markers (Gromova uses the We and THEI, friend or foe marker) and that’s all. The crowd hates all of these, sincerely almost primitive.
      Old reception ...
      The usual political nonsense was divorced into a political squad. We are Sparta, we won the Peloponnesian War, etc.
      Yes, you read at least her, its consequences, the course of battles ... From the strongest union of the Greek states that were able to defeat Persia, they organized an almost Greek world war (the entire Greek world, including Sicily and the Black Sea). To the delight of Persia .. and Thebes turned out to be the winner. Who was better or worse there is another question. Some brutally oppressed the helots, others took tribute, then canceled the duty, then gave the last. All naval battles and many land battles won. However, they executed (the letter of the law) many winners, and sent the main one and naturally lost 1 sea and all.
      The main winner of the Peloponnesian war was not Sparta! And Fiva and Persia. The Greek world lost, including Sparta.
  16. BAI
    BAI 18 December 2017 13: 04
    +1
    That's the weekend the film "300 Spartans" twisted as much as 2 times (or maybe 3).
  17. shinobi
    shinobi 18 December 2017 13: 56
    +1
    I wonder at the members of the forum! They argue. But what difference does it make in figs that this idiot was talking about Sparta. The important thing is that for them the real power began to reach them.
  18. Horst78
    Horst78 18 December 2017 14: 54
    +1
    Or maybe all the same Bakhnem?
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 18 December 2017 23: 24
      +1
      Quote: Horst78
      Or maybe all the same Bakhnem?

      Be sure to ...
      But then!
  19. Alexex
    Alexex 18 December 2017 15: 50
    +2
    the barbarians are too high for them .... the vandals are more precise ... and they are ruining their culture and climbing into someone else's ...
  20. Terenin
    Terenin 18 December 2017 17: 52
    +8
    Quote: ALEXalex
    the barbarians are too high for them .... the vandals are more precise ... and they are ruining their culture and climbing into someone else's ...

    With you, dear all the names you learn. yes It turns out that the Vandals (Latin: Vandili, Wandali, Uuandali, Greek Βάνδαλοι), in the ancient Germanic languages ​​of Wendel (Wendel, Wentil) - the ancient Germanic union of tribes, close to the Goths, who gained fame during the era of the Great Migration of Peoples.
    I have already once encountered the word "". In almost every rural settlement there is a street from ancient times called "Poganovka", well, I think it cannot be that dirty, unclean people would live there. And for sure, it turns out initially, they were called filthy in Russia, they called nomad neighbors who professed polytheism ...
    So, on our topic, faith will be a statement, as in that cartoon (there is a monkey, a snake and a parrot) - "the main thing is not who you are, but what you are! yes
  21. Drozdov
    Drozdov 18 December 2017 19: 54
    +3
    they are the descendants of ordinary sea robbers, who did not understand that on land versus continental civilization they would be cruelly beaten, always ..
    sanks for the article!
  22. kozerog
    kozerog 19 December 2017 11: 02
    +4
    “How it comes around, it will respond”, and the Anglo-Saxons have “learned” so much over the centuries that treating them like a transcontinental “mafia”, bloody, greedy, barbaric ... and the outer “gloss” - this is how unwashed Europe drowned out the bodily stench Parisian spirits ...
  23. AsKet84
    AsKet84 19 December 2017 11: 16
    +2
    The West is the West, and we NEED TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS !! HOW INSIDE THE COUNTRIES, SO OUTSIDE THE LANGUAGE OF VENUE AT DIFFERENT SYMPOSIUMS AND MEETINGS ...
  24. Oleg Tolstoy
    Oleg Tolstoy 19 December 2017 12: 33
    +2
    Everything to the point. Nothing has changed since the Punic Wars! laughing as said by апapek: - Well, wait, you filthy savages. Soon you will become our happy loyal subjects! wassat
  25. Brushing
    Brushing 19 December 2017 12: 46
    +2
    Chet remembered the film itself, where: the warriors, led by Leonid, are heroes, and the "elite" is cowardly and corrupt ... - everything about us ... hi
  26. sergevonsohrn
    sergevonsohrn 19 December 2017 12: 57
    +3
    Johnson is right in one: Sparta was a state of warriors and plowmen, and was not at all distinguished by savagery and aggressiveness. Unlike other policies of the Hellenic Union, tsarist power existed in Sparta and practiced a strictly moderate, stoic way of life. In other policies, especially in Athens, consumer, mercantile moods prevailed! it was the Spartans who delayed the advance of the Persians deep into Greece and actually saved Western civilization.
  27. Yanakolos
    Yanakolos 19 December 2017 15: 23
    +1
    Russia is Sparta, and they (shitty West) are Athens ...
    It’s even flattering to be called Spartans!
    For Johnson, it’s not flattering that he: either poorly read the story, or poorly understood, perhaps both. And he also had a “Freudian reservation” - Johnson’s subconscious mind tells him: the West, waging its “Peloponnesian war” against Russia, will be defeated just like Athens once.
  28. Yanakolos
    Yanakolos 19 December 2017 15: 57
    +1
    With his foolishness, Boris D. reminds Boris E. ....
  29. Dembel77
    Dembel77 19 December 2017 18: 57
    +1
    Good article. Thank. I agree with the author in almost everything.
  30. sa-ag
    sa-ag 20 December 2017 07: 58
    0
    Yeah, the government is 300 Spartans led by their Leonid :-)
  31. flunker283
    flunker283 20 December 2017 11: 47
    0
    Khrushchev is not on them
  32. andrew42
    andrew42 25 December 2017 10: 33
    0
    Sparta is just a beautiful legend. Russia does not correspond in any way to that Spartan society of ordinary warriors with a psyche deformed since childhood. Sparta, she is Lacedaemon (if you adhere to the classical concept of history) is a clear relic of the predatory state of the Achaeans who captured the Balkan Peninsula from the time before the Trojan War. "Agamemnon and Menelaus" - this is the image and essence of Spartan society, and not Leonid (by the way, the co-ruler, and not the sole overlord). I remind you that the society of these “warrior heroes” was based on the monstrous exploitation of the indigenous population of the Peloponnese, that is, Messenians, whom it was permissible to rob and kill by right of belonging to the glorious “aristocracy” of conquerors. See - "Messenian Wars". Before this, even the order of Guillaume the Conqueror in Britain pales. Compared only to the genocide of Slavic Europe since the time of Charles the Great and his crusader followers.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 25 December 2017 10: 36
      0
      And so Sparta is a dubious compliment.