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Germans in Russia, or Who financed Kohl in the Bundestag?

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It is clear that the topic of the boy Kolya in the Bundestag has already got everyone, but then some facts emerged that are worth mentioning separately.




According to the information received, which the Germans do not deny, by the way, the trip of the Urengoi schoolchildren was sponsored by the German Friedrich Ebert Foundation, who provided a special grant for the Novy Urengoy gymnasium for research on the Second World War.

Once this has begun, it is possible to completely trust the information that it was the fund’s leaders who drew a page for Kolya with allegedly “his” performance. And that's why.

Angry Russian hackers dug up that the biography of the unfortunate Georg Rau was published on the website of the newspaper Suedkurier in March of this year.

Georg Rau, publication from 8 March 2017 of the year

So Kolya didn’t ride to distant lands in any Rossoshka, especially since the Germans in the text explicitly state that the cemetery in Rossoshki was transferred, and Rau Ish to be among those buried there, in a mass grave among other prisoners of war.

So he couldn’t drop a tear on any grave of Rau Kohl. Because of her absence as such.

But that's not the point. The main question is: what kind of foundation is this, named after Friedrich Ebert, and what has the foundation forgotten in our area? More precisely, in Siberia?

This foundation was formed immediately after the death of Friedrich Ebert, in 1925, according to his will. Ebert was a very large political phenomenon in stories Germany, and even the chancellor had time to visit.

The foundation named after him is a very large non-profit foundation, and, as is customary in Germany, every such foundation is nailed to a party, then the Ebert foundation is “friendly” with the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD).

Naturally, in our country the foundation is primarily engaged in building civil society and democracy. The following areas have been announced:

- familiarization with democratic values;
- research activities;
- democratization of the public sphere;
- increase public activity of citizens;
- support for independent media;
- assistance in resolving conflicts in the state and society without the use of force.

In general, from the list it is clear what the fund breathes, as they say. And where you can find traces of his work.

One example of the foundation’s work is a sociological study on the regional identity of Siberians, raising the level of regional identity as a tool to draw the attention of the “center” (Moscow. - Approx.) To the needs of Siberia.

The authors of this research, with the permission, are the senior lecturers of the Novosibirsk State University A. Anisimov and O. Echevskaya.

Materials are in the public domain. Who wants to - learn, ("Siberian: community, nationality or state of mind?"), who does not want, believe the word read. That's how separatism is, to be honest.

In the work “Sibiryak: community, nationality or state of mind?” One can easily trace the attempts to single out the population living in Siberia into a separate national-geographical group. This, if not separatism, is the path to it. Hint, let's say so. And here we should think about who should be, but ...

Moving on.

The Foundation pays trips to European countries to incorporate the ideas of a democratic society, including the understanding of sexual minorities. But this is normal for Europe in general, there is nothing to even comment on. LGBT people should be understood and accepted into the common human family.

That is why the Ebert Foundation from Irkutsk and Barnaul exported activists to Germany and Denmark to the seminar "Minorities and Democracy." With a visit, of course, various gay and aegean facilities and events. It was necessary to show and prove by living examples that we have an unfree and undeveloped country that adopted a law banning the promotion of sexual minorities among teenagers.

However, the largest and most significant of the events in Siberia, for which not only Germans generously allocate money, is the annual summer political science forum in Barnaul, headed by Vladimir Ryzhkov. Yes, by the same token, which, along with Milov, Nemtsov, and Kasyanov, roared in the PARNAS party.

Currently, Ryzhkov is a professor at the Higher School of Economics (surprisingly, really?), A political columnist for Novaya Gazeta, author and presenter of analytical programs on Ekho Moskvy radio station (Interception, Price of Victory; previously also Smoke of the Fatherland , “Beware, History” and “Myths about Russia”), chairman of the public movement “Choice of Russia”.

It is generally understood, is not it?

This opposition Barnaul Sabbath has been gathering a bunch of public figures with a dubious reputation for years. And nothing, fly together as much as possible, regardless of the costs. The office pays far from Moscow.

German (and not only) political experts from various German institutions, including from party funds, are always present at the gathering.

What it is talking about between German consultants and Russian “oppositionists” is hard to say. Yes, something is published, but the most important thing remains behind the scenes. Well, really, fools are going there?

By the way, all these grumbling in Siberia (Novosibirsk, Barnaul, Irkutsk), attempts to derive the image of some "Siberian people", "Siberian national-cultural identity" - it's not just that.

Our Siberian readers will correct me, but in the memory of 90 in the middle something was postponed about the Siberian Republic, independent and independent of Moscow, no?

In general, the activities of the fund are clear and understandable. The only thing that is not yet completely clear is the common affairs with the structures of Gazprom, together with our oppositionists. Whether Putin’s friend Miller doesn’t know how his subordinates are friends with the foundation, or ...

And the cherry on the cake.

In Belarus, the activities of the Ebert Foundation is prohibited. Completely You can talk a lot about how clearly the chairman Lukashenko taxis his collective farm, but the fact is - the foundation was set up long and forever.

And in Turkey, under President Ahmet Sezer, there was a fierce scandal in 2001-2002, during which it turned out that representatives of the Friedrich Ebert Foundation combined "the pleasant with the useful" while working for German foreign intelligence.

On the whole, in my opinion, the FSB should no longer be involved in the media, but in the work of the Friedrich Ebert Foundation in Russia. Definitely, it's time. Despite the "friendship" of the fund with Gazprom and the possible economic consequences.
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  1. BLADFROST
    BLADFROST 18 December 2017 12: 08 New
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    Here we will close this stinking fund! Belarusians _ well done, do not fuss!
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 18 December 2017 12: 58 New
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      Quote: BLADFROST
      Here we will close this stinking fund

      It’s clear that the topic of the boy Kolya in the Bundestag has already got everyone Author: Roman Skomorokhov

      No topic has not reached, Moreover, we have not yet seen what decision from the Ministry of Education and other officials. There is also no response to requests to the General Prosecutor's Office. Such things on the brakes must not be released
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 20 December 2017 18: 24 New
        +3
        As in that joke about the granddaughter of grandfather during the war who was delivering shells to soldiers.
        “And how did they thank you for the help they said?”
        “Zer gut, Voldemar, zer gut!”
    2. 210ox
      210ox 18 December 2017 13: 18 New
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      They’ve opened a Liberty branch ... Isn’t it time for the FSB to take up the FSB’s "patrimony" to feed them? Many people think that the "siloviki" are in power here and we'll see .. Who is XU.
      Quote: BLADFROST
      Here we will close this stinking fund! Belarusians _ well done, do not fuss!
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 19 December 2017 20: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: 210ox
        They’ve opened a Liberty branch ... Isn’t it time for the FSB to take up the FSB’s "patrimony" to feed them? Many people think that the "siloviki" are in power here and we'll see .. Who is XU.

        recourse recourse But to the Yekaterinburg people who chose Roizman for themselves, there are no questions ??? winked repeat laughing laughing laughing
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 18 December 2017 17: 02 New
      +5
      It is clear why this fund is banned in Belarus. There is a KGB. hi There are thousands of NGOs abruptly in this fund in Russia and no one is touching them. Tolerance, however. belay
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 19 December 2017 07: 38 New
        +2
        We are talking about the division of Russia in fact. The Germans are punctually painstakingly working on this!
        Kolenka with her parents, the whole gymnasium, probably soon the gay Germans will become gay to the delight !!
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 19 December 2017 08: 45 New
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          Quote: Reptiloid
          We are talking about the division of Russia in fact. The Germans are punctually painstakingly working on this!

          And why in Siberia, and not in the Volga region? Who knows? After all, it seems, the Volga region is the "German capital"?
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 19 December 2017 20: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Reptiloid
          We are talking about the division of Russia in fact. The Germans are punctually painstakingly working on this!
          Kolenka with her parents, the whole gymnasium, probably soon the gay Germans will become gay to the delight !!

          they would remember that attempts to capture or divide Russia came out all sideways !!! yes
    4. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 19 December 2017 11: 33 New
      +7
      This is one of the reasons why I will not vote for Putin - the presence in my country of these enemy, disgusting, godly funds that undermine the foundations of Russian identity, mentality and community !!! What? Is it so difficult to throw some smelly fund out of the country? Why didn’t you? Ah, is someone else responsible for this? Why do these vile foundations in my country feel better than at home, and even promote their false Western "values" here, and at the same time, almost openly advocate for undermining the country? How much money is needed to push enemies out of the country? Yes, not how much! Then what the hell are they still here? I have such a slippery leader as Putin, does not cause respect!
  2. mih_sergeev92
    mih_sergeev92 18 December 2017 12: 12 New
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    And who doubted? Such performances at this level just do not happen! What has not been banned so far - negligence? Hardly. Someone obviously needs this. How Makarevich dogs are needed and other is not an honor, freely walking around the country. So special services can not be asked, they are so in the know.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 18 December 2017 15: 13 New
      +9
      This is not negligence, but a deliberate action. The leaders have already clearly stated (Peskov, etc.) Keep your hands off the “if-gymnasium student!” That’s it. This is NOT negligence!
      Quote: mih_sergeev92
      And who doubted? Such performances at this level just do not happen! What has not been banned so far - negligence? Hardly. Someone obviously needs this. How Makarevich dogs are needed and other is not an honor, freely walking around the country. So special services can not be asked, they are so in the know.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 December 2017 12: 25 New
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    While we flirt with the West in democracy, freedom of speech, the principles of humanism, the West systematically through foundations, NGOs, individual fans of the Western way of life, re-educates Russian youth in their own way, undermines social foundations and tries to provoke separatism. Probably enough to crib in front of Western structures and babysit with their frank traitors.
    1. Rimlianin
      Rimlianin 18 December 2017 12: 38 New
      +4
      What kind of separatism? I live in Siberia and for the first time I hear about some sort of separation of Siberia or autonomy. Article sucked from a finger, empty blah blah.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 18 December 2017 12: 44 New
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        No no it's not
        empty blah blah
        Articles on this topic are not the first time to appear, indicating specific persons of their positions and which lectures are given at universities. This also sins Kaliningrad. And remember the 90s, there was such a governor by the name of Rossel, who set out to create the Ural Republic.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 14: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: rotmistr60
          No no it's not
          empty blah blah
          Articles on this topic are not the first time to appear, indicating specific persons of their positions and which lectures are given at universities. This also sins Kaliningrad. And remember the 90s, there was such a governor by the name of Rossel, who set out to create the Ural Republic.

          So what is the power silent? !!! Why are they still giving their lectures?
      2. Russian jacket
        Russian jacket 18 December 2017 12: 47 New
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        In the nineties there were such lights that they tried to rock the situation. I remember about the "Siberian republic" there were arguments even surrounded by Nozhikov, then the governor of the Irkutsk region ... But it did not grow together, the people were not stupid. So it’s not blah blah, but the fact was. As well as about the Urals under Rossel, if I am not mistaken .... And about the FER the same.
        1. Rimlianin
          Rimlianin 18 December 2017 12: 59 New
          +4
          But what if the Siberians identify themselves separately? How are Pomors, Donetsk residents and so on? The question is in self-identification and not in separation. I’m the sixth generation Siberian, Russian, I live in Russia and want to continue to live in Russia. What is the problem if I consider myself a Siberian? So all this is empty. Siberian separatism does not exist. Only in the inflamed consciousness of the author of the article.
          1. Russian jacket
            Russian jacket 18 December 2017 13: 02 New
            +6
            I did not talk about the existence of separatism, but about the fact that there were attempts to inflate it. And not just some holy fools, but gentlemen liberals, who were then in power.
            1. Rimlianin
              Rimlianin 18 December 2017 13: 11 New
              +5
              The article directly suggests that Ryzhkov, together with the Ebert Foundation, is cultivating separatism in Siberia. Agree, nonsense. Nothing to do with reality.
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                1. Rey_ka
                  Rey_ka 19 December 2017 09: 03 New
                  +2
                  Daddy? and what are the correct ones? In schools there are lists of literature recommended for reading, like everything is correct. The question is where does this grow from then? Of the elementary grades, almost the entire Gaidar, who was Arkady, was almost removed.
                  1. Anyone
                    Anyone 19 December 2017 11: 00 New
                    0
                    My son, in fact, erased my comment, but I will answer. This was an allusion to the stanza from Vysotsky’s song: “So you read the necessary books in childhood!”
                  2. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 19 December 2017 20: 43 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Rey_ka
                    Daddy? and what are the correct ones? In schools there are lists of literature recommended for reading, like everything is correct. The question is where does this grow from then? Of the elementary grades, almost the entire Gaidar, who was Arkady, was almost removed.

                    and who finally compared the figures of patriotic youth and liberals among them ??? what what what I am sure that for one such knee there are 100 young people who will beat him in case of emergency !!! wassat wassat lol lol lol

                    An extreme necessity is cases when a person is forced to harm other protected interests in order to prevent damage to his personal interests, the interests of other persons, society and the state. In criminal law, one of the circumstances precluding the crime of an act. In other branches of law, it plays a similar role.

                    laughing laughing laughing
              2. tasha
                tasha 18 December 2017 13: 57 New
                +3
                Pay attention to the works of, for example, Dmitry Verkhoturov. Quote from his book “The Idea of ​​Siberian Independence Yesterday and Today,” 2009 of the Year.

                So, the foundation of Siberian independence is the right to secession from Russia, as a captured and exploited territory.

                Now about how you can use this allocation right. Of course, I now reflect my own point of view, and most likely, there will be even greater debate on this issue. However, there are serious arguments for Siberians to take part in remaking Russia into a more viable country than it is now.

                The starting point is the assessment of the Russian Federation as already de facto disintegrated into parts of the country. In Russia, there is a strong mutual isolation of regions, their confrontation, separate political elites are being formed, in the center and in the regions, and a process of slow economic separation is underway. This process is not started by us and the disintegration of Russia is in full swing.
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 18 December 2017 14: 33 New
            +8
            But what if the Siberians identify themselves separately? How are Pomors, Donetsk residents and so on? The question is in self-identification and not in separation. I’m the sixth generation Siberian, Russian, I live in Russia and want to continue to live in Russia. What is the problem if I consider myself a Siberian? So all this is empty. Siberian separatism does not exist. Only in the inflamed consciousness of the author of the article.
            Do you think Ukrainians are some sort of separate nation? The current Krelevsky government is profitable for Russia to think so. It’s just that the Russians in Little Russia began to identify themselves as Ukrainians, somewhere from the middle of the 19th century. Now they are jumping. Who knows, washes your great-grandchildren will start to jump, who does not jump is not a Siberian.
          3. Dedall
            Dedall 18 December 2017 21: 06 New
            +5
            In the year 91 they also said that there was nothing wrong with dividing the country. Like, everyone will remain good neighbors and the borders will be purely arbitrary. But in reality?! ..
      3. ochakow703
        ochakow703 18 December 2017 14: 55 New
        +8
        And I'm in Siberia, but I heard about the Barnaul coven, and even resented the inaction of the police. In our Siberian cities, not everything is so cloudless, and here you need to make a very tight fussbash broom. A lot of scum lurking here.
        1. Rimlianin
          Rimlianin 18 December 2017 15: 06 New
          +1
          And what is the "cobbiness" of the Siberian Forum? Why is the Moscow Forum, the Far East - this is normal, the Siberian - is the Sabbath? Answer dear, otherwise you are the same idle talk as the author of the opus under discussion.
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 19 December 2017 12: 22 New
            +1
            the impression is that you live somewhere in the taiga, in the winter road. They have been saying this for a long time, the Americans have allocated money to promote this project. Do you also fall for it if you deny the obvious?
          2. ochakow703
            ochakow703 21 December 2017 18: 36 New
            0
            Do you Roman think about the size of Russia? Here for me, that Moscow, that Vladivostok is like the Moon in the sky, and Barnaul is nearby. And why will I puff about their nonsense, they take me for the liver. So we don’t have to take any rabble from us, we can run into ... Siberian men harness for a long time, but drive fast.
  4. Loess
    Loess 18 December 2017 12: 31 New
    +3
    Salvage wins the good? ...
  5. Rimlianin
    Rimlianin 18 December 2017 12: 31 New
    +2
    Where does the Ebert Foundation link to the Barnaul Forum? No references, no evidence, but immediately concluded. And Ryzhkov, we now have a foreign agent and the Barnaul forum - the Sabbath of the opposition. Ryzhkov is a respected politician, and who are you sir?
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 19 December 2017 08: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: Rimlianin
      Where does the Ebert Foundation link to the Barnaul Forum? No references, no evidence, but immediately concluded. And Ryzhkov, we now have a foreign agent and the Barnaul forum - the Sabbath of the opposition. Ryzhkov is a respected politician, and who are you sir?

      And how do you feel about Kasyanov? He is in one clip with Ryzhkov, a respected politician ... And, following your logic, I will ask for a reference, from where I find out that
      Ryzhkov - a respected politician
      and respected by whom?
    2. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 19 December 2017 09: 29 New
      +4
      Ryzhkov - a respected politician
      Well, something like: "Tell me who your respected politician is and I will say who you are" In our country, Ksenia Anatolyevna will become a "worthy candidate"
  6. cedar
    cedar 18 December 2017 12: 35 New
    +7
    The lack of sovereignty turns Russia into a passage yard, where on the instructions of a trap, democrats and liberals of all stripes roam, and often under their cover agents of foreign intelligence services.
    Roman once again described the result in sufficient detail.
    Sovereignty. Russia. Putin
  7. Sobol
    Sobol 18 December 2017 12: 46 New
    +3
    Remember brother how they crushed the elven scum,
    How their evil hordes fled to the west ... M. Elizarov
    1. gavrila2984
      gavrila2984 18 December 2017 13: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: SoboL
      Remember brother how they crushed the elven scum,
      How their evil hordes fled to the west ... M. Elizarov


      The orc drank three beers, burped ugly. And he said to the elf: "Goodbye." ..
  8. Ural resident
    Ural resident 18 December 2017 12: 51 New
    +4
    That's how interesting girls are dancing ...
    Apparently, the Germans have a soul ache for the Siberian nation.
    I remember our governor, a German by nationality at one time proclaimed the Ural Republic with its currency. Although, probably, nationality has nothing to do with it - then everything went this way - there was a decline in the Yeltsin era.
  9. CONTROL
    CONTROL 18 December 2017 14: 21 New
    10
    ... the Urengoy schoolboy Kolya in the Reichstag ... the monument to Denikin ... the monument to Kolchak ... the monument to Ungern ... the "wall of sorrow" ... "Yeltsin-centrum" ... the Mannerheim board ...
    From the latter: on December 9-10, the Bolshoi Theater hosted the premiere of the ballet "Nureyev" directed by Kirill Serebrennikov! A characteristic feature of the ballet scenery was the panel-back of the stage, a giant photograph of the “world-famous and most self-motivated dancer” with the well-known large-emphasized anatomical details and details of the body ... because of which, in fact, the ballet was banned from showing twice ... and in the ballet itself scenes with pornographic details and "frills" - not two or four ...
    The premiere was visited by the whole metropolitan elite, ... oligarchs ... and members of the current government of Russia! And cho - to go to a porn ... Ballet dancers took a bow in t-shirts with the words "Freedom to Serebennikov" ...
    ---------------------------------------------
    ... links of one chain?
    ... the winner class manifesto? Who "defeated" us all in the 91st? And those same “anatomical details” - the “face” of this winner class! And the “White Flag Olympics” - where the Olympic athletes (all the same, they know that they are from Russia ...) fattened and state-trained “nuggets”, stand on the same board with the Vlasovites, say ...
  10. cedar
    cedar 18 December 2017 14: 28 New
    +3
    Quote: A resident of the Urals
    That's how interesting girls are dancing ...
    Apparently, the Germans have a soul ache for the Siberian nation.
    I remember our governor, a German by nationality at one time proclaimed the Ural Republic with its currency. Though probably there is nothing to do with nationality - then everyone went this way - there was a sunset of the Yeltsin era.

    Of course, nothing to do with it ... And the BND has nothing to do with it ... And the Fourth Reich has nothing to do with it ... Everything by itself ...
    The USSR collapsed ... Russia itself was also supposed to fall apart.
  11. Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 December 2017 14: 35 New
    +6
    washes sponsored by the German foundation, only the Kremlin authorities have nothing against any manifestations of hostility towards Russia. At the highest level, through the mouth of Peskov it was said: do not touch Kolya. So the German foundation, here is the tenth thing.
  12. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 14: 36 New
    +4
    Roman, what prevents us from banning the work of this fund? Could you tell. And then, as always, the Germans and the State Department are to blame.
  13. vasya.pupkin
    vasya.pupkin 18 December 2017 14: 39 New
    +4
    The fifth column has taken deep roots in the Russian Federation, right up to Siberia. And here we are surprised at LDNR: why does the liberal marmot rule the Donbass?
  14. Horst78
    Horst78 18 December 2017 14: 45 New
    +3
    Our Siberian readers will correct me, but in the memory of 90 in the middle something was postponed about the Siberian Republic, independent and independent of Moscow, no?
    I'm correcting. Let us then recall the "Ural Republic" by Viktor Melchiorovich Kress. The de facto independent republics of the Caucasus (when Kalash were sold under the windows of the FSK in Nazran), Tatarstan and Bashkortostan. What immediately kick to Siberia? And yes
    attempts to separate the population living in Siberia into a separate national-geographical group are easily traced
    In general, the "Cossacks" back in the 80x rebounded from the Russian nation, like "We are on our own."
    1. gavrila2984
      gavrila2984 18 December 2017 15: 33 New
      +3
      In general, the "Cossacks" back in the 80x rebounded from the Russian nation, like "We are on our own."
      In fact, with the Cossacks it was even earlier. Recall the Quiet Don, where Cossacks and men were opposed. And the scene of a fight with Ukrainians is present.
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 18 December 2017 15: 57 New
        0
        hi I agree, but the author mentioned the funny 90e.
        1. gavrila2984
          gavrila2984 18 December 2017 16: 22 New
          +3
          I mean, it was like that before. IMHO, If the power is weak, then a clear stump will be observed separatism in one form or another. Under strong power, everyone will say that we are Russian (Soviet) and it would never occur to anyone to isolate themselves from the center, No matter where it is.
    2. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 19 December 2017 09: 34 New
      +1
      In general, the "Cossacks" back in the 80s from the Russian nation rebounded
      You are so careful, Poroshenko, by right of the discoverer of Siberia, will demand that Siberia be annexed to Ukraine
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 19 December 2017 11: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Rey_ka
        You are so careful, Poroshenko, by right of the discoverer of Siberia, will demand that Siberia be annexed to Ukraine

        And here we are and so say that Siberia hoch .. (immigrants from Ukraine) Siberia mastered. My dad, if that laughing hi
        1. Efgen
          Efgen 20 December 2017 04: 41 New
          +2
          Not quite right. I think that when your father came to Siberia, then my ancestors lived there a long time ago. Siberia was developed and dissolved in it - people of different nationalities.
  15. Egg
    Egg 18 December 2017 14: 47 New
    +5
    Quote: Rimlianin
    Ryzhkov - a respected politician

    Excuse me, Dear WHO?
    1. Rimlianin
      Rimlianin 18 December 2017 15: 10 New
      +2
      Among the democratic opposition and other honest people. Just do not now drool over the fifth column, each has its own political views.
      1. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka 19 December 2017 09: 35 New
        +1
        Vladimir Alexandrovich you already burned
      2. Russian jacket
        Russian jacket 20 December 2017 12: 54 New
        +1
        Ryzhkov is about the same as Misha, two percent. you still say so about Mr. Belykh .... The same honesty just went through the roof.
  16. Radikal
    Radikal 18 December 2017 15: 30 New
    +3
    On the whole, in my opinion, the FSB should no longer be involved in the media, but in the work of the Friedrich Ebert Foundation in Russia. Definitely, it's time. Despite the "friendship" of the fund with Gazprom and the possible economic consequences.
    But this is the most important "cherry"! The guarantor is surely aware, and understands that if the fund is “kicked out” from Russia, the gas pipeline along the bottom of the Baltic can be buried (drowned), and this is money for the “social network”, and then there are elections, but if you don’t pay the people, then ... . In general, there are so many problems - what kind of foundation is there, what kind of “boy” is there, what kind of Siberia! wassat
  17. Glory1974
    Glory1974 18 December 2017 16: 10 New
    +1
    Our Siberian readers will correct me, but in the memory of 90 in the middle something was postponed about the Siberian Republic, independent and independent of Moscow, no?

    Not only Siberian, I remember even the outskirts of Russia began to think of itself as a separate country. Everyone laughed, but now it’s no laughing matter.
    I thought everyone already understood where it starts and how it ends. But it turns out there are those who here and there, sometimes
    Rimlianin
    What is the problem if I consider myself a Siberian? So all this is empty. Siberian separatism does not exist. Only in the inflamed consciousness of the author of the article.
    1. Rimlianin
      Rimlianin 18 December 2017 17: 00 New
      +3
      So what? Well, I consider myself a Siberian, someone Muscovite, someone Don Cossack, but we are all Russian. What is the problem? You are out of the blue trying to find a problem.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 18 December 2017 20: 57 New
        +1
        You can consider yourself even an elf. The problem is, it’s all used by certain forces in the divide and conquer strategy. And the example of Ukraine is in front of everyone. Or do you really think that absolutely different peoples are fighting among themselves there? And it all started small: they are Muscovites-serfs, and we are the descendants of the Kozaks from the free Zaporizhzhya section.
        1. Efgen
          Efgen 20 December 2017 04: 48 New
          0
          Have you read the above article from NSU? There is not a word in it about separatism. Not that Siberians are better or worse. Somewhat different, which is quite obvious. Or forbid the Siberians to call themselves Siberians? And then suddenly jump))))
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 20 December 2017 18: 51 New
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            I read an article about an article. In many ways, I agree with the author in the sense that if everything is left to chance, after 100 years it will become clear that the Urals and Siberia are different states. Once again, the example of Ukraine before my eyes.
  18. Conductor
    Conductor 18 December 2017 17: 14 New
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    Quote: CONTROL
    ... the Urengoy schoolboy Kolya in the Reichstag ... the monument to Denikin ... the monument to Kolchak ... the monument to Ungern ... the "wall of sorrow" ... "Yeltsin-centrum" ... the Mannerheim board ...
    From the latter: on December 9-10, the Bolshoi Theater hosted the premiere of the ballet "Nureyev" directed by Kirill Serebrennikov! A characteristic feature of the ballet scenery was the panel-back of the stage, a giant photograph of the “world-famous and most self-motivated dancer” with the well-known large-emphasized anatomical details and details of the body ... because of which, in fact, the ballet was banned from showing twice ... and in the ballet itself scenes with pornographic details and "frills" - not two or four ...
    The premiere was visited by the whole metropolitan elite, ... oligarchs ... and members of the current government of Russia! And cho - to go to a porn ... Ballet dancers took a bow in t-shirts with the words "Freedom to Serebennikov" ...
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    ... links of one chain?
    ... the winner class manifesto? Who "defeated" us all in the 91st? And those same “anatomical details” - the “face” of this winner class! And the “White Flag Olympics” - where the Olympic athletes (all the same, they know that they are from Russia ...) fattened and state-trained “nuggets”, stand on the same board with the Vlasovites, say ...

    Well, yes, the accent was focused on the ass.
  19. LAWNER
    LAWNER 18 December 2017 18: 24 New
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    I once read a book by Chingiz Abdullaev about separatism in Siberia. With an attempt to secession and the release of their own money. As a result, it turned out that this is a Many-hodovka conceived with the goal of changing owners.
    The SK, FSB, the Prosecutor General’s Office come and begin to catch renegades, and Moscow businessmen quietly take their business from them.
    Now I think there are no such idiots)))
  20. Fox
    Fox 18 December 2017 18: 32 New
    +3
    I don’t understand why Roman is surprised? There is such a judge, Khakhaleva, with a diploma, good criminal connections, paid cases, etc. and what? rustled in tyrnet and fsё ... silence and beauty. and where is the guarantor with the "vertical of power"?
    and here. the same thing. guilty from tyrneta, pumping on Kolenka.
  21. Height
    Height 18 December 2017 20: 39 New
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    Quote: Rimlianin
    But what if the Siberians identify themselves separately? How are Pomors, Donetsk residents and so on? The question is in self-identification and not in separation. I’m the sixth generation Siberian, Russian, I live in Russia and want to continue to live in Russia. What is the problem if I consider myself a Siberian? So all this is empty. Siberian separatism does not exist. Only in the inflamed consciousness of the author of the article.


    Pomors are not only in Siberia, but I think that the vast majority of them are united by the word Russia.
    Filling question: Do you control all of Siberia? And more: how to identify this separately? I am the right hand in relation to the left, I want to raise my hand, but do not want, then I will not raise? But this violates the law of unity. Remember: "... and every city or house divided in itself will not stand ..."
    Why did this "Urengoy boy Kolya" appear? " There is no smoke without fire".
  22. Dedall
    Dedall 18 December 2017 21: 37 New
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    Gentlemen, comrades, I want to say on this topic that I was in 1996 in the village of Karymkary, Tyumen Region. This is a classic "bear" corner on the banks of the Ob, 300 km from the nearest train station. So already then I did not notice any signs of the state’s concern for its citizens. There, even polar night lighting from an arc lamp was paid for by personal money of the population. And the feldsher-midwife station was then abolished and the remaining health workers switched to "pasture". The stall of consumer cooperation also disappeared with the closure of the timber industry. But then there was a store of some Caucasian with "negotiated" prices. And I do not think that the situation has changed radically over the past time. And so the question is: "What can keep the population of the village, which actually lives in the conditions of the Post-Apocalypse, within Russia?"
  23. Alexander War
    Alexander War 19 December 2017 10: 17 New
    +1
    Thanks novel for the article! hi good
  24. Romin
    Romin 20 December 2017 00: 57 New
    +1
    What a mess the President of the Russian Federation has spread inside the country!
  25. Radikal
    Radikal 20 December 2017 02: 49 New
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    Quote: Romin
    What a mess the President of the Russian Federation has spread inside the country!

    What are the claims? He did not promise anyone that there would be order! wassat
  26. Pushkar
    Pushkar 21 December 2017 00: 57 New
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    Quote: Rimlianin
    So what? Well, I consider myself a Siberian, someone Muscovite, someone Don Cossack, but we are all Russian. What is the problem? You are out of the blue trying to find a problem.
    Correctly! But I’m Martemyanovets (I live in Martemyanovo village), and my son is Nastasyanets (lives in Nastasyino village), and my acquaintance is a Vlasovian (lives in Vlasovo village)! Not a problem, divide Russia!
  27. Belimbai
    Belimbai 21 December 2017 09: 52 New
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    // Our Siberian readers will correct me, but in the memory of the mid-90s something like that was postponed about the Siberian Republic, independent and independent of Moscow, no? //
    I remember .... there was such a topic.