The head of the Pentagon commented on the incident with the Su35S and F-22 in Syria

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Discussion of the incident involving aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Force and the United States Air Force in the sky over Syria continues. A few days ago, "Military Review" published material in which it was reported that the Russian Su-35 fighter literally drove away from the Su-25 attack aircraft in the skies over the SAR the American F-22 aircraft. The US Air Force aircraft tried to impede the actions of the Russian "Sushka" on the implementation of anti-terrorism in the Euphrates region.

The F-22 was approaching Russian attack aircraft at an unsafe distance, shooting heat traps that could provoke a plane crash. As soon as the Su-35C appeared in the area, the American plane hurried off.



Now this incident in the Syrian sky is commented on both in Russia and in the USA. The incident was promised to "sort out" by US Secretary of Defense James Mattis.

From his statement:
We will definitely figure it out. While I can not give an exact answer, whether it is a question of unsafe piloting, pilot's irritability or persons who are trying to do unreasonable things.


The head of the Pentagon commented on the incident with the Su35S and F-22 in Syria


It should be noted that the United States accuses Russia of violating the “air border” that separates the zones of air influence in the sky of Syria. Agreements on such borders allegedly were previously reached. The Russian Defense Ministry reports that no Su-25 "red lines" were crossed, and the actions of the American pilots became a provocation, which was skillfully stopped by Su-35.

In addition, the Russian Defense Ministry stressed that by definition, there can be no “zones of American air influence” in Syria, since the US troops are in the SAR illegally.
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  1. +24
    16 December 2017 09: 58
    Pilot SU-35S-order. Well, or a medal at least ...
    1. +16
      16 December 2017 10: 06
      You are absolutely right ... It's all about laying between the helm and seat ... No matter how cool the plane would be ... If we say so the morale of the pilot below the baseboard, then what is the conversation ...
    2. +55
      16 December 2017 10: 19
      The Americans have a pathological craving for zones of influence - even above the toilet, but you need to draw a red line and influence it, emptying democracy ... Therefore, every American needs to be given an enema periodically so that the intestines do not turn over from an excess of democracy in the body! What our pilots did nicely ... I hope the American pilot eased ...., he piled on a full overalls of democracy! laughing
      1. +8
        16 December 2017 10: 56
        Mr. Assad should be shot and this he should have done back in 2011. He turned a single country into a garbage dump, dividing it into spheres of influence of imperialist powers and strong neighbors. Syria as a single state ceased to exist.
        1. A.
          +39
          16 December 2017 11: 18
          And in general, it would be better for you not to be born, your poison is definitely out of place here. Smoke the sky further. Better you shoot yourself, more will be.
          1. +6
            16 December 2017 11: 49
            Quote: Anatolyevich
            And in general, it would be better for you not to be born, your poison is definitely out of place here. Smoke the sky further. Better you shoot yourself, more will be.

            Assad allowed the collapse of the country, which was first led by his daddy, and then he himself. The leader of the country should be personally responsible for it. As long as I do not lead the state, I pour out not poison, but my vision of what is happening in Syria. I’ll ask you not to go personal.
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. +18
              16 December 2017 13: 37
              Katana, give a revolver il yourself?
              1. +8
                16 December 2017 13: 43
                Sometimes it seems that this is a child. Vyacheslav! hi
                1. +10
                  16 December 2017 13: 58
                  Vit, can you? Yes you are right. How many Kolenok from Urengoy have bred!
                  1. +4
                    16 December 2017 16: 26
                    So we are long on you drinks ... and another neighboring state is hiding.
            3. +6
              16 December 2017 22: 57
              How did you get these pi..obolas like Katana. Moreover, all November-December 2017 are registered.
            4. +3
              17 December 2017 17: 15
              Quote: katana
              I do not pour out poison, but my vision of what is happening in Syria.

              Wrong vision is essentially the poison of propaganda.
              Quote: katana
              I ask you not to go personal.

              But how can one not get personal if you scratch a word for a word by the methodology of the State Department? Why is there such a warrior on this site?
              Quote: katana
              Assad allowed the collapse of the country

              That is, in your opinion, a country like the USA has absolutely nothing to do with it?
        2. +7
          16 December 2017 11: 34
          Mr. Assad should be shot

          whom to shoot then?
          1. +10
            16 December 2017 13: 37
            Quote: _Jack_
            Mr. Assad should be shot

            whom to shoot then?

            ALL! He who is not with us is against us!
          2. +2
            16 December 2017 14: 13
            Quote: _Jack_
            whom to shoot then?

            abamka laughing
        3. +15
          16 December 2017 11: 37
          how much aplomb. "shoot yourself", "garbage can", "imperialist powers", "strong neighbors". "ceased to exist" ... and so for this, there are friends and allies who are ready to help and help. and Assad is not to blame for the fact that the sashi arranged bedlamas there. not he first
          1. +2
            16 December 2017 11: 53
            Quote: LSA57
            how much aplomb. "shoot yourself", "garbage can", "imperialist powers", "strong neighbors". "ceased to exist" ... and so for this, there are friends and allies who are ready to help and help. and Assad is not to blame for the fact that the sashi arranged bedlamas there. not he first

            Assad, of course, is not to blame. You easily found the one to blame - this is the United States and especially this notorious State Department, and Russia is just as imperialistic a predator as the United States.
            1. +8
              16 December 2017 12: 15
              Quote: katana
              Assad, of course, is not to blame. You easily found the one to blame - this is the United States and especially this notorious State Department.

              What exactly is Assad to blame? What was terrible in Syria compared to his rule in the 90s so that the opposition would begin to carry out mass attacks, and then after receiving weapons from the Saudis they began to fight against the authorities. I asked a specific question and want the same answer.
              1. +3
                16 December 2017 12: 40
                Quotation: blooded man
                Quote: katana
                Assad, of course, is not to blame. You easily found the one to blame - this is the United States and especially this notorious State Department.

                What exactly is Assad to blame? What was terrible in Syria compared to his rule in the 90s so that the opposition would begin to carry out mass attacks, and then after receiving weapons from the Saudis they began to fight against the authorities. I asked a specific question and want the same answer.

                There were no representative authorities in Syria, a narrow confessional group of the population called Alavites had power there. In the end, this boil was supposed to break through. Exactly the same power in Armenia - if you are not from Karabakh, then you have a direct road to farm laborers, or go abroad and save yourself. One day we’ll break through. Now there’s something else - how the Karabakh clan suppresses the protests of the local Armenian population wassat but it cannot go on like this for a long time - the country has exhausted all the resources that would equip the army, take loans, since the Armenian state under the rule of the Karabakh clan became bankrupt.
                1. +6
                  16 December 2017 13: 23
                  Quote: katana
                  In Syria there were no representative bodies of power, there a power was held by a narrow confessional group of the population called the Alawites.

                  WHAT ARE THE PURGU CARRYING. The Sunnis were very much built into power and held high posts up to the ministerial ones. The army was full of Sunnis. There was no dictate of one denomination over others. The communities in Syria actually lived autonomously and the authorities did not intervene in their inner life. Even the Kurds lived quietly, unlike Turkey and Iran.
                  Quote: katana
                  In the end, this abscess was supposed to break through.

                  That is, Assad’s entire fault is that he did not allow the Sunni “elite” to official power who, because of this, began to carry out terrorist attacks in all the country. So Assad was absolutely right when he did not allow such people to power.
                  Quote: katana
                  We have exactly the same power in Armenia - if you are not from Karabakh, then you either have a direct road to farm laborers, or go abroad and save yourself. One day we will break through. Now, there’s still something like the Karabakh clan that suppresses the protests of the local Armenian of the population

                  Azerbaijan applaud you standing and wait do not wait for this moment.
                  I ONLY hope that the Russian Federation will block the borders and not a single Armenian will let go.
                  1. +1
                    16 December 2017 14: 16
                    Quotation: blooded man
                    I ONLY hope that the Russian Federation will block the borders and not a single Armenian will let go.

                    in vain. I have neighbors Armenians. beautiful people. I have had trouble for 3 years. really helped. I didn’t ask them anything. yourself. still calling to visit in Armenia.
                    1. +6
                      16 December 2017 14: 22
                      Quote: LSA57
                      in vain.

                      Why so? Maybe the Syrian refugees will also be populated, good people say.
                      Quote: LSA57
                      I have neighbors Armenians. beautiful people. I have had trouble for 3 years. really helped. I didn’t ask them anything. yourself. still calling to visit in Armenia.

                      And in our city, the Armenians who kept the cafe stabbed a guy in four with ice holes because of a trifling quarrel. And then the whole Armenian diaspora came to the defense of these Armenians, there were no regrets or even regrets. The good thing is that the cafe was then defeated and the Armenians had to go down.
                      1. +2
                        16 December 2017 15: 01
                        Quotation: blooded man
                        Why so? Maybe the Syrian refugees will also be populated, good people say.

                        there are bad people everywhere. and I'm not talking about Syrian refugees.
                        Quotation: blooded man
                        Quote: LSA57
                        in vain.

                        Why so? Maybe the Syrian refugees will also be populated, good people say.
                        Quote: LSA57
                        I have neighbors Armenians. beautiful people. I have had trouble for 3 years. really helped. I didn’t ask them anything. yourself. still calling to visit in Armenia.

                        And in our city, the Armenians who kept the cafe stabbed a guy in four with ice holes because of a trifling quarrel. And then the whole Armenian diaspora came to the defense of these Armenians, there were no regrets or even regrets. The good thing is that the cafe was then defeated and the Armenians had to go down.

                        it's probably when there are a lot of them laughing and so ... purely in the household ... hotel ... well, I don’t know. I always had a good attitude towards the Armenians. back in the days of the USSR when he worked with them on the "covens". By the way, remember how many Chechens heaped such cases. Do not let them in too?
                      2. 0
                        17 December 2017 14: 02
                        Ivan, what city will you be from?
                        Here a couple of years ago, when the shots were shown that ours had finished the battered Stavropol already in the hospital - that was the Russian on the passport (on the mother), and in life he referred to the Türks. Governor's anti-Armenian coven is still spinning ...
                      3. 0
                        17 December 2017 17: 21
                        Quotation: blooded man
                        And then the whole Armenian diaspora

                        This is the fault of the authorities, visitors should not be allowed to live as diasporas. Nationality has nothing to do with it.
                      4. 0
                        18 December 2017 12: 54
                        Quotation: blooded man
                        And in our city, the Armenians who kept the cafe stabbed a guy in four with ice holes because of a trifling quarrel. And then the whole Armenian diaspora came to the defense of these Armenians, there were no regrets or even regrets. The good thing is that the cafe was then defeated and the Armenians had to go down.

                        And in our country, one Russian killed the whole family and even a one-year-old child, for no reason at all. By your logic, are all Russians like that?
                    2. +6
                      16 December 2017 23: 03
                      '' in vain. I have neighbors Armenians. '' All these peoples from the Caucasus and Central Asia are good when one or two families live next to you. Really always help. But if it’s ten or twenty, you can safely soap the rope.
                2. +1
                  17 December 2017 16: 44
                  dear, why are you showing your ignorance? everything is very clear. Assad, like Gaddafi, like Saddam showed the teeth of the American dictatorship, that's all. plus good dividends from a quick victorious war over the oil states!
            2. +3
              16 December 2017 13: 44
              Quote: katana
              From the side you know better, as they say.

              Have you tried to look from the other side?
              1. +4
                16 December 2017 16: 40
                Quote: sabakina
                Quote: katana
                From the side you know better, as they say.

                Have you tried to look from the other side?

                He looked from the side of the Israelis ... He would look from the side of the Armenians, he would have known that Assad Sr. had hanged two scum on the town square only for anti-Armenian words ...
            3. 0
              16 December 2017 14: 31
              Quote: katana
              Assad, of course, is not to blame

              "He, of course, is to blame, but he ... is not to blame. Pity him, comrades" .... ©
            4. +3
              16 December 2017 15: 10
              The predation of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation is manifested only in the stripping of its own citizens, it is not capable of more, so when the power of the oligarchy in the Russian Federation falls, then you will see what predatory Russia means, but it will be too late to screech.
              1. +1
                16 December 2017 16: 56
                I advise you to flee from predatory Russia and away, for example, to Honduras
            5. +1
              16 December 2017 22: 14
              Quote: katana
              And Russia is also an imperialist predator

              If so, then it is probably better not to speak so boldly here, but to sit in a secluded place and be quietly afraid hi
        4. +2
          16 December 2017 12: 18
          Quote: katana
          Mr. Assad should be shot

          Well, except that Katan ...
          1. +2
            16 December 2017 12: 43
            Quote: Vasyan1971
            Quote: katana
            Mr. Assad should be shot

            Well, except that Katan ...

            It’s better to remain silent - you’ll be a smart guy.
            1. 0
              16 December 2017 14: 03
              Quote: katana
              It’s better to remain silent - you’ll be a smart guy

              Late. I said.
            2. +1
              16 December 2017 15: 01
              Quote: katana
              It’s better to remain silent - you’ll be a smart guy.

              Himself so! Be silent yourself - you’ll marry yourself smart tongue
        5. +3
          16 December 2017 13: 03
          Quote: katana
          Mr. Assad should be shot and this he should have done back in 2011. He turned a single country into a garbage dump, dividing it into spheres of influence of imperialist powers and strong neighbors. Syria as a single state ceased to exist.

        6. 0
          18 December 2017 09: 56
          Yes, the State Department is omnipresent ...
      2. +2
        16 December 2017 12: 08
        Communication troops of Russia. Hope is the last thing that remains.
    3. +9
      16 December 2017 10: 23
      You need to cling to Israel .. This is the "navel of world politics", push a finger (so that it hurts a little))) and immediately silence will come in the "world community"! A tank fist is needed on the Israeli border with Russian crews, otherwise, no way ..
      1. +4
        16 December 2017 10: 25
        Quote: Hunter
        A tank fist is needed on the border of Israel, otherwise nothing ..

        The IRGC is already trying to do this, but receives from the Israeli aviation! And nobody wants to cover ...
        1. +2
          16 December 2017 12: 22
          Quote: Hunter
          A tank fist is needed on the Israeli border with Russian crews

          Quote: Crowe
          The IRGC is already trying to do this, but receives from the Israeli aviation! And nobody wants to cover ...

          There will be Russian crews, there will be cover.
        2. +4
          16 December 2017 12: 27
          Quote: Crowe
          Quote: Hunter
          A tank fist is needed on the border of Israel, otherwise nothing ..

          The IRGC is already trying to do this, but receives from the Israeli aviation! And nobody wants to cover ...

          Tank fist with Russian crews! And the rest is security and mat part .. hehe
          We will take Jerusalem! soldier

          Do not kick men, but I smell genes ... soldier
          1. ADT
            +4
            16 December 2017 13: 28
            Looks mutated your genes.
            1. +6
              16 December 2017 13: 47
              Quote: ADT
              Looks mutated your genes.

              See how your moons genetize!
              1. ADT
                +5
                16 December 2017 13: 54
                This is not what the beauty thinks.
    4. +6
      16 December 2017 10: 33
      Quote: Komsomol
      Pilot SU-35S-order. Well, or a medal at least ...

      What about the creators?
      Oh damn. Burned down the last argument to fill up the invisibility without consequences. recourse Now the Yankees know for sure that we not only see, but also go into the tail of the lizard without straining
      1. +3
        16 December 2017 11: 03
        With eye contact? Of course, a raptor, it's easy to shoot down. Especially from the gun.
        1. +7
          16 December 2017 11: 13
          With eye contact? Of course, a raptor, it's easy to shoot down. Especially from the gun.

          And the idea of ​​spending expensive rockets on a lizard when the lockheed has not been finalized somewhere?
          This is “grandmother and St. George’s Day” for you .. Dryers fly higher, air defense looks at the bottom and everything is in full view.
          And these Lockheids think that damn Russians will fly at the same height fool
          1. +3
            16 December 2017 12: 59
            "And the point is to spend expensive rockets on a lizard" ///

            Moreover, it may not capture the target ... But the gun, yes: I saw, got closer, gave the queue. A raptor on earth.
            1. +3
              16 December 2017 13: 50
              Alexey, I have nothing against your Air Force, BUT "it seems to me that it was a comedy."
            2. 0
              16 December 2017 14: 42
              Quote: voyaka u
              Moreover, it may not capture the target.

              With such a fright? The rocket will take off and it will find the target if our pilots think to chew snot, but this is not realistic. We shoot down, only at the training ground hi
              1. 0
                16 December 2017 19: 08
                From the fright that the explosive missile is guided by the radar of its fighter, and then the thermal seeker. But they, unlike the eyes of the pilot and the gun, have problems with stealth radio and low thermal signature. wink
                1. 0
                  17 December 2017 06: 26
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  From the fright that the explosive missile is guided by the radar of its fighter, and then the thermal seeker. But they, unlike the eyes of the pilot and the gun, have problems with stealth radio and low thermal signature.

                  You still forgot the third factor in GOS; it is even present in Verba. And it’s drummed for us. They will give good and FSE invisibility will be on the felting land in interesting poses by fire-fighting dragons hi
                  1. +1
                    17 December 2017 11: 02
                    GOS captures a target at close range. If the GOS has an IR scanning video camera, then it guides the missile along the profile of the aircraft. But there are no such cameras on Russian missiles, as far as I know.
                    And so the Russian explosive missiles are induced by GOS on heat.
                    Aircraft radar is relatively weak for aiming missiles at low EPR targets. GOS capabilities are also limited. Therefore, the firing of VV F-22 missiles is less reliable than with 4th generation aircraft. hi
                    1. 0
                      17 December 2017 11: 13
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      If the GOS has an IR scanning video camera, then it guides the missile along the profile of the aircraft. But there are no such cameras on Russian missiles, as far as I know.

                      Technologies of the late 70s of the last century. Do not know further. Americans know and no longer stick their nose, but only strictly in international law or by agreement hi
                      Now everyone is running for the S-400. Do you know why?
                      1. 0
                        17 December 2017 11: 53
                        I know of course. It is much cheaper than its western counterparts
        2. +5
          16 December 2017 11: 25
          Just what for visual contact at 7 km?
        3. +5
          16 December 2017 11: 44
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Especially from the gun.

          Yes, even from a slingshot. in war as in war
        4. +4
          16 December 2017 12: 07
          Quote: voyaka uh
          With eye contact? Of course, a raptor, it's easy to shoot down. Especially from the gun.

          Do not dissemble, on the Su-35 is OLS35 and not "visual contact"


          “During the hostilities in Syria, the Su-35 was not only accompanied by Russian front-line bombers and attack aircraft, but was also involved in striking at ground targets. The optical-location system passed all the checks and received high reviews. Using OLS-35, fighters destroyed ground targets not only with high-precision aviation weapons of destruction (ASP), but also with ordinary freely falling bombs.
        5. +7
          16 December 2017 13: 14
          Quote: voyaka uh
          With eye contact? Of course, a raptor, it's easy to shoot down. Especially from the gun.

          Dear Vojaka, I remember not so long ago that you claimed that there was no such incident with the SU-35 and F-22, and all this was the machinations of the magazines, as there is no video provided ... and here our MO says about it, and it’s not strange, and the Pentagon comments.
          1. 0
            16 December 2017 19: 11
            No. I argued that no one was scared, pruned or scared.
            There were cases of mutual interceptions and warnings.
      2. +2
        16 December 2017 11: 42
        Quote: Tusv
        Burned down the last argument to fill up the invisibility without consequences.

        why the last? smile apparently sasha from Syria are not going to get out
        1. +4
          16 December 2017 12: 08
          LSA57 ... why the last? seems to be sasha are not going to get out of Syria

          Do not call the United States "Sasha" " negative
          It is unpleasant for us Sasham (Alexander). Yes hi
          1. +4
            16 December 2017 12: 15
            Quote: askort154
            Nam Sasham (Alexander) is unpleasant

            I call Alexandrov with respect and with a capital letter. and it is so ... No.
            but I will consider.
            1. +1
              16 December 2017 12: 17
              LSA57 I call Alexandrov with respect and with a capital letter. and this is so ... but I will take it into account.


              hi drinks
              1. +2
                16 December 2017 12: 33
                mutually drinks hi smile
                I’ll come up with something more offensive for them laughing
                1. +4
                  16 December 2017 13: 14
                  Could it be the USA? wassat
                  1. +2
                    16 December 2017 13: 27
                    Quote: BMP-2
                    Could it be the USA?

                    originally good and psaki shadow is present laughing
                2. +4
                  16 December 2017 13: 56
                  Sergei, as I recall, the most offensive for them, “Yankees." Yes, I completely forgot hi
                  1. +2
                    16 December 2017 14: 20
                    Quote: sabakina
                    Seryozha, as far as I remember, the most offensive for them is “Yankees”

                    What about you? Yes, and "Sasha" I use for internal use smile
                    Hi smile hi
        2. +2
          16 December 2017 14: 53
          Quote: LSA57
          why the last?

          Yes, finally, they do not allow to bring down these Sushki .. Again they drove away the victim oborte. Abina air defense, hanging pear, no order to eat
        3. 0
          16 December 2017 17: 02
          Quote: LSA57
          why the last?

          Not a month ago, the Yankee pepelats can be stacked on the ground. Now there is no.
          Viewed the moment of invisibility what
    5. +3
      16 December 2017 11: 40
      Why can't Assad declare a no-fly zone over Syria? And this immediately puts American planes in the Syrian sky outlawed. Or is he afraid of provocations? winked
      1. +4
        16 December 2017 12: 02
        He is afraid that the word will be dealt with the deed. How and how to ensure no-fly? Even if there is something in some area, then in order to decide to bring down a US plane, you need to be suicide.
      2. +2
        16 December 2017 12: 12
        Quote: siberalt
        Why can't Assad declare a no-fly zone over Syria? And this immediately puts American planes in the Syrian sky outlawed. Or is he afraid of provocations? winked

        Because they will not be able to provide it, and after the first raptor shot down, Assad will not. One hundred percent sure that the Americans will only be FOR.
    6. +1
      16 December 2017 12: 14
      Or kerosene for extra flying hours ...
  2. +18
    16 December 2017 09: 58
    Well, if Syria cannot have US air zones, then drive them out of there! And you won’t help with the statements ...
    1. +1
      16 December 2017 10: 07
      So it seems they started ....
    2. +8
      16 December 2017 10: 19
      Russian Defense Ministry emphasized that in Syria, by definition, there can be no "zones of American air influence", since US troops are illegally in the SAR
      International law is on our side, the statement of the Ministry of Defense is correct, so it is necessary to act in this vein. If a clash between Russia and the United States in this region is inevitable, then we will not be "patience"
      1. +3
        16 December 2017 10: 40
        I am directly surprised at the clarity and clarity of the MO response.
        1. +1
          16 December 2017 11: 47
          Quote: Vasya Vassin
          I am directly surprised at the clarity and clarity of the MO response.

          Lavrov School smile
        2. NKT
          0
          16 December 2017 14: 07
          It is also good when clarity and clarity are reinforced by forceful actions.
          1. +1
            16 December 2017 14: 21
            Quote: NKT
            Still good when clarity and clarity are reinforced by force

            diplomats don't have their own army
      2. +5
        16 December 2017 11: 01
        Quote: Chertt
        If a clash between Russia and the United States in this region is inevitable, then we will not be "patience"


        It is not clear who says what, and who is patient ...
        Various information passes, except for the case described above ...
        "US fighters shot Russian helicopters." So they tried to disrupt the operation in Aleppo and wanted to expose Turkey ...
        “Recently, Russian transport planes were shot at by unidentified helicopters, and, as Syrian journalists report, even by fighters. It is unknown about the victims, and it is not known who did it. But it is clear that this is specially tuned. Perhaps the United States, through its intermediaries, is trying to create another problem in relations between Russia and Turkey. ”
        Source: http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/187287/?cba=1

        Or December 14 ... "Media: US fighters opened fire on Russian attack aircraft in Syria" ...
        “... Russian combat aircraft crossed the border of the de-escalation zone, and US fighters allegedly gave some warning lights .... US Air Force F-22 fighters in Syrian airspace opened fire on Russian Su-25s after Russian attack aircraft violated the agreed flight zone, created to avoid unintended incidents. Immediately after the incident, Russian planes left the area .... "...
        NOTE: fighterИ... opened fire ... Not one F-22, but two ...
        Source: http://svpressa.ru/war21/news/188596/?cban=1

        Everyone is lying, casting out as he can ... I have not yet begun to add the opinion of the Australians ... The Australians generally say that the times of the Korean War are approaching, when ours and the Americans were knocking each other down ... hi
        But, in general, the Americans really run into something to get on the impudent red face ... feel wink
        1. +4
          16 December 2017 11: 12
          Quote: weksha50
          It is not clear who says what, and who is patient ...
          Various information passes, except for the case described above ...

          That's right. Therefore, sane people do not try to “give advice to the MO” We, to the best of our education and mind, try to isolate real information and draw our own conclusions hi
      3. +2
        16 December 2017 11: 47
        Quote: Chertt
        International law is on our side,

        So what? may these world gendarmes spit upon all world rights and laws. but we put them in their place so far, I want to hope so far, unfortunately we can’t
    3. +1
      16 December 2017 10: 26
      apparently, the attack aircraft decided to scare (they say, without cover), but when he received a signal about the attack from the back hemisphere, he himself was frightened ....
      1. +17
        16 December 2017 10: 30
        The back hemisphere has shrunk! winked
        1. +3
          16 December 2017 10: 46
          Quote: Crowe
          The back hemisphere has shrunk! winked


          good
          Moreover, both halves
        2. +1
          16 December 2017 11: 50
          Quote: Crowe
          The back hemisphere has shrunk!

          up to the size of a poppy seed laughing
      2. +4
        16 December 2017 13: 19
        Quote: sergevonsohrn
        apparently, the attack aircraft decided to scare (they say, without cover),

        This incidentally is a miscalculation of our command. Life does not seem to teach us anything. The downed SU-24 also flew without cover. And again on the same rake for the umpteenth time. Question- Why was our SU-35 only after all these actions, the lizard was raised into the air, and did not cover the attack aircraft immediately? This is a tactic that everyone understands, except our command.
        Quote: sergevonsohrn
        but having received a signal about an attack from the back hemisphere, he himself was frightened ....

        It does not matter which hemisphere ... in close combat with the SU-35, the lizard has no chance, and the mattress pilots know about it.
    4. +7
      16 December 2017 10: 34
      Hello Alexander! If parasites are wound up, they themselves will never leave. They can only be etched
      1. +7
        16 December 2017 10: 48
        Volodya, hello!
        Quote: pvv113
        etch

        I would burn, along with the eggs (igil, jabhat an-nusra)!
        1. +5
          16 December 2017 10: 53
          To get rid of parasites, all means are good. To clear the country of the state’s presence, and immediately all the last Dushman’s will disappear
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  4. +18
    16 December 2017 09: 59
    In addition, the Russian Defense Ministry stressed that by definition, there can be no “zones of American air influence” in Syria, since the US troops are in the SAR illegally.

    Oh really? I did not even expect such courage from our MO. I thought they would mumble something streamlined again.
    1. +3
      16 December 2017 11: 14
      MO did not mumble once in Syria. Lavrov constantly mumbles, his education does not allow him to clearly state his thoughts.
      1. +2
        16 December 2017 12: 37
        Quote: den3080
        Mumbles Lavrov constantly

        never mumbles. always clearly sets out the position of the Russian Federation
        Quote: den3080
        Lavrov constantly mumbles, his education does not allow him to clearly state his thoughts.

        you would have such an education.
  5. +3
    16 December 2017 10: 04
    What is the influence of the United States in Syria? Drive this whole kagal to the neck, along with their pieces of iron ..
    1. +8
      16 December 2017 10: 19
      Not as easy as it seems. They by all means will continue to crap wherever they can. Russia weighed them a savory bream, and these earcaps are extremely vindictive and vengeful.
      1. +6
        16 December 2017 10: 37
        Max, good morning! The Yankees will not forget humiliation and will in every way take revenge on the sly, including through their vassals
        1. +8
          16 December 2017 10: 40
          Volodya, hello! hi Quite right, and they will not be limited to Syria alone. Russia is hindering the United States with one fact of its existence.
          1. +3
            16 December 2017 10: 43
            Absolutely agree. They will look for any common ground between the interests of Russia and the states, so that at each such point they concoct another meanness
            1. +5
              16 December 2017 10: 50
              The United States will by all means try to maintain those positions that are rapidly losing, but at the same time they will not forget to poke their nose wherever they see fit. No matter how hard they were ... feel
              1. +2
                16 December 2017 10: 54
                Americans are such a nation that it’s not customary to leave without good lollipops wink
                1. +5
                  16 December 2017 10: 57
                  And they are so impudent because they are sure that they are untouchable. negative
                  1. +2
                    16 December 2017 11: 17
                    Well, you can shake their confidence
                    1. +3
                      16 December 2017 11: 21
                      Not "can", but "need"! It is necessary to respond to all their rejections not only in words, but also in response.
      2. +7
        16 December 2017 10: 42
        Max! Salute! Confrontation in the air between the United States and Russia (USSR) lasts more than 60 years ....
        Aircraft crashed, often their crews also died. So, on April 8, 1950, an American flying reconnaissance boat PB4Y was shot down in the Baltic, 10 crew members were killed. And in June 1952, another American intelligence officer, RB-29, was shot down over the Sea of ​​Japan, and the whole crew (12 people) died with it.
        November 18, 1952 over the sea at Cape Gamow (in the same place, on the border with the DPRK) there was a real air battle. The Americans claim that the Soviet MiG-15 attacked planes from the Oriskani aircraft carrier, which conducted normal flights in neutral waters. According to the Soviet version, the four MiG-15s from the 781st fighter regiment flew to intercept the Americans who invaded the airspace of the USSR. Result: 12 American fighters shot down three Soviet, one damaged managed to reach the airfield.
        On September 13, 1987, pilot of the 941st fighter regiment, senior lieutenant Vasily Tsymbal, on a Su-27 interceptor, controlled the flight of the Norwegian reconnaissance aircraft P-3 Orion over the Barents Sea. Further, the aircraft began to draw dangerously closer, and each side accuses the opponent of provocations. As a result, the Norwegian car touched the tip of one of the Su-27 Tsymbal fins with a propeller, the propeller blade flew off and pierced the Orion skin. Both cars managed to return to base ..

        1. +5
          16 December 2017 10: 46
          Kostya, good day! hi
          Quote: Solomon Kane
          Confrontation in the air between the United States and Russia (USSR) lasts more than 60 years ....

          Yes, and it will continue.
          1. +4
            16 December 2017 10: 56
            Quote: Jedi
            Yes, and will continue

            And everywhere, not just in the air! And on the screen ...
            I think that even in literature! Where are they weak ...
            1. +5
              16 December 2017 10: 59
              Quote: Logall
              And everywhere, not just in the air! And on the screen ...
              I think that even in literature! Where are they weak ...

              Sasha, they are used to taking not quantity, but quantity.
            2. +1
              16 December 2017 11: 24
              Quote: Logall
              I think that even in literature!

              And even in microelectronics :-)
  6. +1
    16 December 2017 10: 09
    F-22 - a specific aircraft. It’s not worth arguing.
    BUT, Drying is completely unique, adapted to everything. .Let further work.
    1. +12
      16 December 2017 10: 14
      Quote: Fedorov
      F-22 - a specific aircraft. It’s not worth arguing.
      BUT, Drying is completely unique, adapted to everything. .Let further work.

      AN-2 is also a specific aircraft.
      1. +3
        16 December 2017 10: 38
        And its uniqueness is above all normal wink
      2. +1
        16 December 2017 11: 29
        devis ....AN-2 is also a specific aircraft.


        Oh, what a "unique" sarcasm. tongue Do not offend the An-2. This is the only one in the World, still not broken, in terms of operating time and in the number of mass production. And if you talk about aviation, then with your flag, you don’t have to hang out at all. Israel is good in many technologies, except aviation, because there is no aviation production. And your avionics, this is only equipment for someone else’s aircraft (including the F-35). Yes
        1. jjj
          +1
          16 December 2017 12: 01
          Once, it was at An-2 that the hijackers went abroad. Over the Black Sea. On a shaver, with flaps released. At minimum speed. Fighters came at him, fired rockets, fired from cannons. But failed to get. So he went to Turkey
      3. NKT
        +2
        16 December 2017 14: 14
        The sky is calling us constantly
        And he calls to protect himself.
        And then it flies - even though it’s wooden,
        But still a military plane.

        It’s not too protected from bullets,
        Built not for a long century.
        His pilot is just a kid
        But still a military man.

        Y. Vizbor
  7. +4
    16 December 2017 10: 22
    The coordination between the Russian Federation and the United States in the flight missions of aviation in the airspace of Syria, apparently, is coming to an end. Confrontation will increase until the United States leaves Syria.
    Legally, in Syrian airspace there are two "owners" - the Air Force of the SA and the Air Force of the Russian Federation. It’s time there to declare a no-fly zone for other aircraft. Yes
    1. 0
      16 December 2017 10: 41
      Quote: askort154
      It’s time there to declare a no-fly zone for other aircraft. 

      Che announce something .. Put Antei 2500 on the database in Aleppo, Palmyra and Der Zor, they themselves will dump bully
  8. +5
    16 December 2017 10: 27
    Quote: devis
    Quote: Fedorov
    F-22 - a specific aircraft. It’s not worth arguing.
    BUT, Drying is completely unique, adapted to everything. .Let further work.

    AN-2 is also a specific aircraft.

    But you don’t put it into your arsenal and idolize F-22 and F-35 in every possible way. So the irony is out of place! What you did to deny the Su-35 you will not refute? Especially if it fell to him like snow on the head from a height of 10 thousand meters, from the back of the hemisphere, to pull it (on the cannon). And then the US Air Force pilots like to dream about how they will shoot Dryers from cannons without even using rockets. That's one "shot"! good
  9. +3
    16 December 2017 10: 31
    "Raptor" is a good bird, but our 35th is good! And our pilots are good.
    And it is time for minke whales to think about what they forgot in the Syrian sky ...
  10. +6
    16 December 2017 10: 35
    They illegally entered the country, drew some “red lines” and are trying to dictate their conditions to Russia. Due to the puffiness of the Americans and the nervousness of their pilots, an incident can easily happen that will entail an armed conflict. The presence of Americans who are trying to lead as hosts is fraught with anywhere in the world.
    1. +2
      16 December 2017 10: 59
      The line there is blue - the Efrat River. On the one hand, the Syrian army, on the other - the Kurds and Arabs, the opposition. Neither side is trying to cross the other shore.
      And when planes that help one side fly by accident, they are driven off by planes on the other side. Everything is agreed between the Russian and American command.
      1. +4
        16 December 2017 11: 13
        Seriously ? was present at this agreement? or simply blurted out to support the Israeli roof?
        1. +3
          16 December 2017 11: 26
          seriously, so seriously, that when the ground units tried to gain a foothold on the eastern bank of the Euphrates, the coalition simply bombed them and there were no more attempts
        2. 0
          16 December 2017 11: 36
          Seriously ? was present at this agreement?

          Have you not noticed this? I, at the end of last year, began to suspect that the dividing line was following the Euphrates and wrote here. Straight I feel like a Crusher. The conclusions are the same - because FSE on social networks bully But DerZor Our and nefig am Otherwise, Syria will pay with us for three centuries. hi
      2. +2
        16 December 2017 11: 24
        and the Americans were there sideways? rightfully strong? can go to any country under any pretext and sneeze on everyone who is weak. After all this, Eunah began to respect in spite of tyranny.
        1. +1
          16 December 2017 11: 32
          Quote: dvvv
          and the Americans were there sideways? rightfully strong?

          Well, like yes, if Assad could not control his country, they did not reckon with him, although everything started well and the F-4 Turek failed, but he couldn’t, this is where all his troubles come from, since he didn’t keep his word in 2009 year
      3. +1
        16 December 2017 11: 48
        Quote: voyaka uh
        when planes helping one side fly by accident, they are driven off by planes on the other side

        Sounds like a description of the decisive battle of the Nanai boys.
        The United States and others like them are implementing the “ISIS-2 project” to take revenge and defeat Iran.
      4. 0
        16 December 2017 11: 49
        voyaka uh ....And when planes that help one side fly by accident, they are driven away by planes on the other side. Everything is agreed between the Russian and American command.

        When it comes to regular "driving away" each other, this is another.
        This means that the "coordination" is blurred silently. The situation is becoming unpredictable. They make extreme pilots, and their nerves are not iron either. All this is not good. Yes
        1. +1
          16 December 2017 13: 04
          No. It’s just that the proud and villages are pressed to Ephrat from both sides. And Euphrates is not straight, but winds. And the aircraft involuntarily find themselves on the "alien" side.
          (As between Turkey and Greece - constant violations of airspace due to the skeletons and broken coastline)
          1. 0
            16 December 2017 13: 23
            voyaka uh .....No. It’s just that the proud and villages are pressed to Ephrat from both sides. And Euphrates is not straight, but winds. And the planes involuntarily find themselves on the "alien" side

            This is clear. For this, flight plans are agreed so that the armed forces of two countries with different combat missions at the same altitudes or close intervals do not end up in the same zone (sector). The main task of coordination is the safety of flights of both parties. hi
  11. +5
    16 December 2017 10: 48
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    In addition, the Russian Defense Ministry emphasized that, by definition, there can be no “zones of American air influence” in Syria, since US troops are illegally in the SAR.

    In Syria, as in other air spaces, they only know about their exclusivity, high funding and impunity, as in that joke:
    Wife: Nicola, where are you going to go with a gun?
    - Yes, I’ll go shoot some Muscovites,
    Wife: And if you get shot?
    - What about me?
    1. +2
      16 December 2017 11: 05
      For sho et not about them ... they did think - Kat is like this, HOW? And who dared ???
  12. +1
    16 December 2017 10: 50
    Grapes of vipers, or at least forced to make a more or less decent mine in cheating game.
  13. 0
    16 December 2017 10: 52
    What do the vultures do in the SAR, who did they invite them there? No, then the cries of pintagon cry
  14. +3
    16 December 2017 11: 03
    It seems that their zones of influence / ownership in Syria are not and cannot be, they will have to prove long and hard .... the guys are "exceptional" insolent in the end!
    Big, strong they and mongrel after them a whole bunch! We need a real wolfhound, but rather a pride of lions!
    Aw, where are they?
  15. +2
    16 December 2017 11: 12
    Yes, they got shorter in short, now they are trying to save face
  16. 0
    16 December 2017 11: 27
    You would bring down from Syria, my friend. Do not bring to sin.
  17. +1
    16 December 2017 12: 00
    Quote: Komsomol
    Pilot SU-35S-order. Well, or a medal at least ...

    In any case, the award did not stop Yes . Well, to the American - a cross on his grave! negative
  18. 0
    16 December 2017 12: 04
    Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
    Yes, they got shorter in short, now they are trying to save face

    So the Americans are only capable of this. As accompanying attack aircraft, they are so dirty, but as a fighter of the same class, they flee without looking back.
  19. 0
    16 December 2017 12: 07
    Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
    Yes, they got shorter in short, now they are trying to save face

    Apparently he flew for the new diapers, the old one was overflowing with fear. wassat laughing
  20. 0
    16 December 2017 12: 17
    F-22 approached the Russian attack aircraft at an unsafe distance, fired heat traps, which could provoke an airplane crash.

    The military seems to have done everything right and the media were laid,
    what nonsense just do not hear:
    - F-22 attacked Russian aircraft with heat traps ....
    Damn what progress has come to.
    1. +1
      16 December 2017 13: 07
      Yeah. Heat traps are used as warning light rockets, no more.
      If there is no general wave on the radio, then how else? Any wing sway
      Yes, and we must get closer to mutually dangerous distances ...
      1. +1
        16 December 2017 13: 45
        voyaka uh ....If there is no general wave on the radio, then how else? Any wing sway

        In the absence of p / connection with the aircraft by the intruder, an international complex of visual “contacts” is provided during the day or night flight. List for a long time. The shooting of light rockets is not provided there. These are "jokes" of pilots.
      2. +1
        16 December 2017 14: 23
        Quote: voyaka uh
        If there is no common wave on the radio,

        F-22 fired heat traps in the event of an attack by IR-guided missiles.
        1. 0
          17 December 2017 17: 33
          To relieve tension, a joke: “In Israel, snow fell due to a climate anomaly. This is a real “disaster” (“disaster” in Russian). To clear the roads sent all the forces and the army including. Buckets were hung on the tanks and they take part in clearing the roads. Here is one such tank (captured Arab T-62) stopped for lunch. Tank guys, former emigrants from Russia, got out of the tank and began to speak Russian among themselves. They laugh, do equipment maintenance and all that ... A bus stop is located next to a tank that has stopped. At the bus stop, a very old Jew is sitting on a bench waiting for a late bus and looking at the amusing tank crew, he ponders: “Snow .... tanks ... Russians .... Where I am?"
          1. +7
            17 December 2017 17: 41
            Good joke.
            But the “tanks on the pavement” raise some doubts.
            I won’t tell about 62-ka - I didn’t find it, but 64-bit asphalt “raises” ... just about once. And no need to clean anything request
  21. 0
    16 December 2017 12: 17
    Quote: sa-ag
    Quote: dvvv
    and the Americans were there sideways? rightfully strong?

    Well, like yes, if Assad could not control his country, they did not reckon with him, although everything started well and the F-4 Turek failed, but he couldn’t, this is where all his troubles come from, since he didn’t keep his word in 2009 year

    What are you weaving buddy! The Americans generally have no right to fly in Syria, and Russia is there at the request of Sadat and UN permission. But what kind of F-4 are you talking about?
    1. +1
      16 December 2017 14: 10
      Quote: Simon
      at the request of Sadat and UN permission. But what kind of F-4 are you talking about?

      You wouldn’t climb with such mental baggage into difficult topics ...
  22. +1
    16 December 2017 12: 24
    Quote: rotmistr60
    They illegally entered the country, drew some “red lines” and are trying to dictate their conditions to Russia. Due to the puffiness of the Americans and the nervousness of their pilots, an incident can easily happen that will entail an armed conflict. The presence of Americans who are trying to lead as hosts is fraught with anywhere in the world.

    Americans in Syria are unfair, it means to blame them all in the sky, since it’s illegal, then the conquerors negative
  23. +1
    16 December 2017 12: 32
    The Russian Defense Ministry emphasized that in Syria, by definition, there can be no "zones of American air influence", since US troops are illegally in the SAR.
    That says it all! To squeeze Americans out of Syria or bring them down to Syria. Bashar al-Assad-the UN to the whole world to say that the Americans, the US occupiers and aggressors and are in Syria is not legal. Give them a week to get out of Syria - and after that time-to give an order to the government, legitimate troops of Syria, the legitimate government and the president of Syria, Bashar al-Assad, to simply destroy them and kill them in Syria, destroy all their headquarters, manpower, aircraft and all other military equipment and other hell. And all other criminal and terrorist illegal, non-governmental and foreign forces and troops. To crush them all methodically and mercilessly, harshly.
    And Russia, Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, are in Syria, legally, at the invitation of the legitimate, legitimate government of Syria, the legitimate and legitimate president of Syria, Bashar al-Assad, elected by his Syrian people. And in accordance with international norms and norms of the UN.
  24. 0
    16 December 2017 12: 39
    But why won't President Assad declare a no-fly zone over Syria officially? At the same time, it was possible to officially insist on aggression by the Americans.
    1. 0
      16 December 2017 14: 13
      Quote: bratchanin3
      But why won't President Assad declare a no-fly zone over Syria officially?

      Countrywoman! You can declare anything you want ... You can declare yourself an oligarch, or the president of a country, for example. And then what?
      1. 0
        18 December 2017 11: 04
        And then the Russian pilots will practice air combat tactics in modern conditions. This is certainly dangerous, but with the Americans it is impossible in another way. They taught Syrian sappers, now we need to teach Syrian pilots, they are capable students.
  25. +1
    16 December 2017 12: 40
    Quote: Finches
    The Americans have a pathological craving for zones of influence - even above the toilet, but you need to draw a red line and influence it, emptying democracy ... Therefore, every American needs to be given an enema periodically so that the intestines do not turn over from an excess of democracy in the body! What our pilots did nicely ... I hope the American pilot eased ...., he piled on a full overalls of democracy! laughing

    I think the American pilot does what his government and his commanders-in-chief will tell him.
    In no way do I detract from the merits and achievements of our soldiers and our Russian Orthodox army, the Russian Orthodox. case of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. And they are waiting for GOOD orders, ready to execute them exemplary!
    - "We will exemplarily fulfill the order of the President and Commander-in-Chief of Russia Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox! We are waiting for your orders."
    Russian Army Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, people of Russia Russian Orthodox.
  26. +1
    16 December 2017 12: 48
    Quote: bratchanin3
    But why won't President Assad declare a no-fly zone over Syria officially? At the same time, it was possible to officially insist on aggression by the Americans.

    Russian Orthodox Russia, you need to tell Assad if he himself does not know.
  27. +3
    16 December 2017 13: 37
    The American F-22 was in a hurry to sow "democracy" on the heads of the "unfortunate" Syrians, and the Russians "spoiled" everything, as always wassat
  28. +1
    16 December 2017 14: 01
    We will definitely deal with this.

    It's too late gentlemen ....
    Our "hooligans" will show you another performance more than once ..!

    All at the guardhouse and reward! soldier
    1. 0
      16 December 2017 19: 25
      Beautiful !!! Well done !!! hi
  29. +2
    16 December 2017 15: 12
    LSA57,
    LSA57,
    Quote: LSA57
    there are bad people everywhere. and I'm not talking about Syrian refugees.

    How will Syrian refugees differ from Armenian? essentially nothing
    Quote: LSA57
    Remember how many Chechens heaped such cases. Do not let them in too?

    Chechens also need not be allowed in, there is nothing useful for them from the country. Only the whole trick is that Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation and Chechens are citizens of the Russian Federation, so let-not-let-go is not even discussed. And who are the Armenians? nobody has anything to do in Russia.
  30. 0
    16 December 2017 18: 36
    It’s time for us to organize air battles ... Eh Kozhedub as in Korea is not ....
  31. 0
    16 December 2017 18: 43
    Yankees go away to yourself, in the world you are not welcome anywhere where you are, there is always trouble and sorrow ...
  32. 0
    17 December 2017 01: 30
    Quote: katana
    Mr. Assad should be shot and this he should have done back in 2011. He turned a single country into a garbage dump, dividing it into spheres of influence of imperialist powers and strong neighbors. Syria as a single state ceased to exist

    -------------------------------
    Does Armenian radio start “International Panorama” broadcast?
    1. 0
      17 December 2017 15: 44
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: katana
      Mr. Assad should be shot and this he should have done back in 2011. He turned a single country into a garbage dump, dividing it into spheres of influence of imperialist powers and strong neighbors. Syria as a single state ceased to exist

      -------------------------------
      Does Armenian radio start “International Panorama” broadcast?

      He is most likely not of our blood ...
  33. 0
    17 December 2017 08: 29
    to carry out anti-terrorism in the Euphrates region.

    On the implementation of what? .. Errors in articles on VO are becoming more frequent ..
  34. 0
    17 December 2017 13: 46
    The Americans in Syria did not have any zones of influence, there is not and cannot be, since they are not there legally, Neither the Syrian government nor the UN gave permission for the presence of American troops there, and, therefore, they must get out of there. I really hope that Arab solidarity will force these reckless Americans to get out of Syria. Enough for them to damn water. Syria is a full member of the UN and is able to solve its own problems.
  35. +2
    17 December 2017 15: 30
    Karen,
    Quote: Karen
    Stavropol Territory - that’s how Russian was on the passport (on the mother’s side), and in life he attributed himself to the Türks. Governor's anti-Armenian coven is still spinning ...

    Karen is that an excuse? Can you tap Türk? If our cops were not corrupt, your whole nosy fraternity should have been closed for 20 years or how to shoot in the USA.
    1. 0
      17 December 2017 15: 42
      No one makes excuses ... My sidekick also killed one of these a quarter of a century ago in the Krasnodar Territory ... he said that he had no choice ... thanks to your cops - they didn’t put him in prison ...
      1. +2
        17 December 2017 17: 08
        Maybe your sidekick had no choice and it was decided who he or the enemy was. And then I don’t understand why the heck in the Russian Federation such people are needed that the Armenian-Azeri showdowns transfer to the territory of the Russian Federation. Damn, what do you share here?
        Okay distracted. What was the need in the hospital to finish off a man? Well, they gave them a lyule and enough, why finish it off so publicly? Like they wanted to show who the boss was there? So the garbage masters, and you on both sides of the assemblers.
        1. 0
          17 December 2017 17: 20
          Maybe it was necessary to finish off ... I didn’t ask, I don’t know.
          The cops are just conductors of the line of the entire power system, but not always the main ones ... the system also rules over them.
          1. +1
            17 December 2017 17: 49
            Quote: Karen
            Maybe it was necessary to finish off ... I didn’t ask, I don’t know.

            so they killed him to death, forgot it.
            Quote: Karen
            The cops are just conductors of the line of the entire power system, but not always the main ones ... the system also rules over them.

            I agree. Only I believe that the national question is the tenth issue. For example, in the same Kushchevka, outrage was created by Russian bandits and worse than the Armenians.
            1. 0
              17 December 2017 17: 57
              I didn’t forget - I wrote - “finished off”.
              ____
              So I say - ours do not mess around like yours, but put things in order. :)
              1. +2
                17 December 2017 22: 43
                Bandits clean up?) Funny however.
                I go to the bandits to the bulb since their "work" to create lawlessness regardless of nationality. Just for example, Russians, Europeans condemn their bandits, and Armenians, for example, on the contrary defend if the crime was committed against not an Armenian. Well, and of course, the sad thing is that Armenians, like Muslim Caucasians, understand only power and nothing more. Animal instincts
                1. 0
                  18 December 2017 09: 06
                  You will probably condemn those of my friends who, even during the Soviet era in Moscow, punished those niggas in restaurants that extinguished cigarettes on the faces of Russian girls who refused to dance with them. Cops, for example, were taken to the department just for show ... And they said thanks ...
                  1. +2
                    18 December 2017 13: 13
                    Quote: Karen
                    You will probably condemn those of my friends who, even during the Soviet era in Moscow, punished those niggas in restaurants that extinguished cigarettes on the faces of Russian girls who refused to dance with them.

                    The time has come for plausible stories. I’m running for a beer and keep merging from the conversation.
                    1. 0
                      18 December 2017 13: 50
                      Kina will not be, your gentle psyche may not withstand some details ... Yes, and anger remained on you - I did not have time a month ago because of the answers to you to drive peach and apricot vodka for yourself, you have to buy, but the confidence that there is no sugar - will not be...
                      1. +2
                        18 December 2017 14: 18
                        Have I bought beer in vain? Here it is the Armenian essence ...
  36. 0
    17 December 2017 17: 08
    Quote: pvv113
    Hello Alexander! If parasites are wound up, they themselves will never leave. They can only be etched

    And the most lousy parasites are sitting in the pintagon, the white house and the fascist. It's time to get corroded.
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  41. +1
    18 December 2017 17: 05
    co-creator,
    It would be better to buy cognac.
  42. 0
    18 December 2017 18: 45
    It is necessary to dismiss from the Russian Aerospace Forces those who continue to send attack aircraft to missions without fighter cover ...