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Tests of machines for equipment "Warrior" completed

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Tests of the latest Russian machines for equipment "Warrior" completed, passes Interfax a message from the head of the Kalashnikov concern, Alexei Krivoruchko.


Tests of machines for equipment "Warrior" completed


Tests completed. Everyone is waiting for debriefing,
said Krivoruchko agency.

In March, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin reported that a decision on adopting new automatic weapons is expected this year.

There will be no such - one won, the other lost. We will definitely develop both design schools - both the Degtyarev plant and the Kalashnikov plant,
then said Rogozin.

Recall the tests for the "Warrior" passed three automatic: AEK-971 (plant them. Degtyarev), AK-12 and AK-15 ("Kalashnikov").

According to Rogozin, the AK-12 can become an army machine gun, and the AEK-971 can go into service with special forces.

Automatic - different. A cheaper machine will, relatively speaking, be soldierly. We need a simple, cheap, efficient machine. In this regard, there is every chance that it will be AK-12. But with all the necessary "seasonings": Picatinny rail, telescopic butt, and most importantly - the internal structure, which allows for automatic shooting "not to get a nose",
said the vice premier.
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  1. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 15 December 2017 12: 50 New
    0
    You need to shoot without sticking out under the sniper. But this is not observed. Again in the old fashion. And where are the periscopes? Are there enough of them in the troops?
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 15 December 2017 12: 55 New
      +8
      Then you have to do underground tanks, but from there you have to stick out ... And in the photo the machine is beautiful good Is it AK-12?
      1. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 15 December 2017 12: 58 New
        0
        This view is ideal for the airball, and the combat one is suitable for the last war. In modern, it is better to shoot without protruding, with a good overview and a smart sight.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 15 December 2017 13: 06 New
          16
          At least one example, in any army in the world - so that with all the indicated chips, and so that it is applied en masse.
          Bring.
          1. tracer
            tracer 16 December 2017 00: 08 New
            +3
            Yes people messed up with a shooter from a toy. For him, she is more real than life.
        2. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 15 December 2017 13: 07 New
          32
          Pencil Oparyshev Today, 12:58 ↑
          In modern, it is better to shoot without protruding, with a good overview and a smart sight.
          Yeah, with a beer on the couch, not shining from behind the monitor screen ... laughing laughing laughing The best option would be if he also has a curving trunk attached. Moreover, it should be bent at the request of the gamer in the right direction and at the right angle. fool
          What "modern" war are you talking about here? belay Not about the counter strike for an hour? request
          1. Settlement Oparyshev
            Settlement Oparyshev 15 December 2017 13: 30 New
            0
            I’m talking about the front in the Donbass. Having leaned out for 1 second they get a bullet in the forehead. A sniper is 50 meters in the neutral. And you, well, not you, of course, you have grown to the sofa. And the fighter needs to find a target, aim and shoot. It smells. But you can’t understand the sofa.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 15 December 2017 14: 07 New
              31
              Thank God, you, not the "sofa", did not have to stick out for 1 second. and not go to the forefathers. And our community has the good fortune of hearing arguments about snipers in neutral, 50 meters away ...
              My dear, if my fighter spoiled a sniper 50 meters away, I would not have read your retelling of penguin films about the valiant snipers scurrying under his very nose ...
              1. Settlement Oparyshev
                Settlement Oparyshev 15 December 2017 14: 21 New
                0
                Well, and what you don’t like sights on fiberglass optics. Let them be. Who wants to remotely aim, let them aim. And you want to shine longer in enemy optics, your right.
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 15 December 2017 16: 33 New
                  20
                  Do not smack nonsense and do not drag into the massacre in the Donbass bells and whistles from American blockbusters. I do not know about the work of snipers from books and films. The work is hard and tedious. Even among the stubborn nat-terbatovtsev there are no suicide bombers to come closer than 400-500 meters to the enemy (if we talk about snipers), but more is not necessary.
                  I like different newfangled Pribluda to the "paddle", but all this costs a lot of money, which in / on the second-hand uKrain is simply not a priori.
                  Armed with snipers on both sides, for the most part, the good old SVD. On both sides come across homemade products based on PTR, or milled under the "bolt" barrels of heavy machine guns. New models of sniper rifles are extremely rare. On the part of the Armed Forces - these are usually European and American products, in piece quantities, imported by different curved tracks. From ours, sorry, from LDNR, these are rare examples of various systems: OSV-96 was spotted, ORSIS T-5000 was lit.
                  In the photo ORSIS T-5000 at Dejan Berich ("Decks") good
                  1. Settlement Oparyshev
                    Settlement Oparyshev 15 December 2017 20: 15 New
                    0
                    And here’s all that you want to put on a soldier’s chest, aim at a collimator. A dozen enemy snipers will quickly leave you a cropped commander. And an enemy with fiber optic sights without sticking out will click over your remaining shots. Fiber optic additives are not so expensive to ruin the country , and they will save trained fighters.
                  2. Settlement Oparyshev
                    Settlement Oparyshev 15 December 2017 20: 28 New
                    0
                    Why is there such accurate information that the enemy is afraid to come closer than 400-500 meters? Specify the seasons. They creep up dozens of meters in the greenhouse. I can’t vouch for surveillance and security, they don’t share.
                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 16 December 2017 10: 59 New
                      10
                      ... Well, here’s all that you want to stick out on the chest of a fighter, aim at the collimator ...

                      Everything was mixed up - people, horses ... What kind of fighter is "chest", what is a collimator ??? What are you talking about? Where are you the sniper with the glass on which the marker (collimator) was seen?
                      ... And the enemy with fiber optic sights without protruding clicks your remaining riffles. Fiber-optic additives are not so expensive to ruin the country, but they will save trained fighters ...

                      What are fiber optic sights? What are you talking about? Where did you see the fiber optic sight? What is this product? There is a fiber optic front sight - a piece of colored fiberglass mounted on the front sight. This does not imply, from the word AT ALL, the use of optics is a device for firing from an open sight. What kind of snipers are you raving about? What the hell fiber optic additives? What are you talking about? What kind of product did you come up with on the fly? What are the "dozen" of enemy snipers? What stupid person will put a dozen snipers on one site? What are you talking about?
                      ... Where does such accurate information come from that the enemy is afraid to come closer than 400-500 meters? Specify the seasons. They creep up dozens of meters in the greenhouse. I can’t vouch for surveillance and security, they don’t share ...

                      Which opponent are you talking about a shooting battle or snipers? What green stuff? Yes, if the unit is on the defensive, you are not something that you won’t go into the green, you won’t go a kilometer without plowing artillery or aviation? Do you have any idea about the organization of engineering barriers? Who is crawling where you are?
                      PS Colleague, you are an absolute amateur. Both in matters of technology, and in matters of tactics. Do not disgrace, and if you do not own the topic, then just at least you would study the materiel before you drag in your nonsense here hi
                      1. Settlement Oparyshev
                        Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 11: 16 New
                        +1
                        I’m talking about a modern war, where the distance between the trenches is 70 meters (Zaitsevo).
                        On fiber additives for optical sights, articles are written. It is advisable to read them. Now it’s not just optical, now smart sights, they themselves consider derivation. Wind, angle, temperature, range. You point the mark and press, you do not need to turn on the head. Therefore, cross over for three seconds , under such an eye the fighter will no longer be able to. Krasukha all this sets fire to nafig and will again have to fly completely.
                        Regarding 10 snipers, this is an element of tactics, agree tactics can be unexpected. I will not write details.
                        Regarding aviation, it is not everywhere. Arta, communication with it is possible if you give them a mobile phone with your number. In addition, your trenches are constantly knocked with mortars in one place. On the other side there are specialists in engineering demining.
            2. Topotun
              Topotun 15 December 2017 14: 18 New
              11
              You can get a bullet in one second all the more in the forehead only if the sniper guards you personally. And then I doubt it. If a sniper tracks the lane, then he needs to aim a lot more time ...
              1. Settlement Oparyshev
                Settlement Oparyshev 15 December 2017 16: 10 New
                0
                If a sniper has been monitoring someone’s head for months in the openings he studied, even before he reaches his head, he knows where it will be, selects a hook and shoots right away.
                1. Dedall
                  Dedall 15 December 2017 19: 51 New
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                  Dear you, our Oparyshev, I see that your experience so precious to us was acquired exclusively in the game "Sniper elit" or the like. Therefore, please do not mix serious people with combat experience. And I add that I bow to Vasily Zaitsev, but even in those days our troops suffered much greater losses from mortar shelling.
                  1. Settlement Oparyshev
                    Settlement Oparyshev 15 December 2017 20: 23 New
                    0
                    Unfortunately, the fighting experience of the Chechen company is already outdated. Now they’re fighting differently. If in those days you could safely run for three seconds, now you’ll be on smart sights and might not be able to give you a couple of seconds. Study the experience of Donbass, eyewitnesses said: and a bullet in the forehead.
                    The snipers study all the features of the trenches. They know when the curious person will stick out from there. And they will choose the trigger in advance. I would rejoice at your confidence in the safety of shooting when you lean out of the trench chest, but now it is not safe.
                    1. ProkletyiPirat
                      ProkletyiPirat 16 December 2017 04: 47 New
                      +1
                      I'm sorry, but you are talking nonsense, because no technology will save you in battle if you have combat and military training at zero. Take the same civil war in Ukraine, I’m talking about your trenches and snipers, they’ll destroy your “miracle optics” and you will stick out in the same way, because there is no other way out. And Again, looking at the materials on this war, I am a civilian, who never fought and did not even serve (they didn’t take for health); composition, here is an example with your trenches, watch a video and what do I see? stand on the "block post" around the concrete and trenches,
                      1) where is the separation of borders? - and what is separation?
                      2) where are the spare firing positions? - So it’s necessary to dig, but the hands of "bobo"
                      3) where are the observation positions? - so look out of the trench and "see"
                      That is, people served in the army, and now they are fighting, but damn, they can’t even go online and download a couple of books on organizing defense lines ... In general, a quiet HORROR.
                      ps And yes, I do not need to answer in the style of "we didn’t have this" maybe you didn’t, but others did. (and yes it was on both sides of the conflict).
            3. Sedoy
              Sedoy 15 December 2017 19: 36 New
              +4
              and the sniper does not need to search for the target ... :)
              and right after the shot you don’t need to change the position either ...
              and counter sniper groups do not exist ...

              wine at once that you are not a couch warrior, but a toilet ...
            4. tracer
              tracer 16 December 2017 00: 13 New
              +3
              Trochlinka smelled ..... You're talking about Donbas why dragged? For the importance of what has been said? Is a sniper sitting 50 meters away? What are you? He’s sitting under your bed most likely, and every night .... Judging by your photo on the profile picture, you turned out pretty well.
              1. Settlement Oparyshev
                Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 00: 23 New
                0
                And without “you” you can’t? It’s not democracy, we turn to you. The strange question is about the Donbass, there is a full-fledged front, exactly where the modern war is going on at the present moment. Where the war of the 14th year differs from the war of 17th. In the year 14 they stood openly and hid , only when the bullets splashed closer. In 17, everything was shot, each cm on both sides. The shooting was different, the mortar on the other, the artillery was so shot that Grad could not escape after the volley. Living in old wars became dangerous.
                1. tracer
                  tracer 16 December 2017 04: 47 New
                  +1
                  Who is arguing? War and war teaches us how to survive and win. The combat technique is improving, but not as much as you think. Of course, it varies depending on the weapons used. Tactics called. There are generally many more terms and names. Military science is generally interesting. And not everyone is available. I just recommend that you do not write all sorts of nonsense about things that you clearly do not understand. Believe me, this is just ridiculous. But I am very glad that young people are interested in the subject of the site and are trying to express something. Nothing, read more interested and everything will be fine. And yes, as a former sniper I’ll tell you .. No, snipers do not sit 50 meters, NEVER sit.
                  1. Settlement Oparyshev
                    Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 08: 56 New
                    +1
                    Thank you for your paternal care. But here is your statement that the battle technique is not improved very much, but not much if the technique is different. The participants simply found fault with the words and numbers. I’m about 50 meters and the 1st second. You can’t understand it literally.
                    Regarding fiber consoles for sights, this topic has long been present on the Internet, including VO. A working technique is quite suitable for trenches and mass applications.
                    When you were working as a sniper, they shot down periscope tubes, helmets, and other similar targets. And how strange it is for you to get a call to hang out from behind cover, to aim at an open sight, what to aim at? You can’t see anything in the grass two meters away. It’s impossible to see enemy snipers. The infantry moves with rifts. Well, let the soldiers pop out, aim with an open sight. At this time, the enemy snipers make a volley and shoot part of the soldiers.
                    1. The brightest
                      The brightest 16 December 2017 10: 01 New
                      +1
                      You would not bear all this nonsense, if you just knew the nomenclature already created for the warrior, I am already silent about the new ...
                      1. Settlement Oparyshev
                        Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 10: 04 New
                        0
                        Well, share why you become in a pose of an offended child.
        3. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 15 December 2017 13: 35 New
          +5
          It’s better not to shoot at all.
          And then inadvertently throw a bonbu. They will also kill ...
          1. Settlement Oparyshev
            Settlement Oparyshev 15 December 2017 13: 39 New
            +1
            Bonba is written like a bomb, do not distort the Russian language if you undertook to speak it.
            This topic is not about bravado and ostentatious heroism, but about fulfilling the assigned task. If your fighters are skipped and you will remain in splendid isolation, then you are clearly a couch strategist.
            1. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 15 December 2017 16: 17 New
              10
              Are you not familiar with the classics of Soviet cinema?
              Now then I yes, the sofa, basically ...
              But, believe me, there is an experience of post-shooting events, I think not yours.
              You tell about infantry wrybolt and cross-firing shooting, having fought in Chechnya, for example, or in the same Syria. Very they
              imbued with.
              1. Settlement Oparyshev
                Settlement Oparyshev 15 December 2017 20: 50 New
                0
                I don’t argue about the wars of Chechnya, but the experience of Syria is different, the experience of Donbass is different. From the protruding brains fly constantly, regularly. The sides stand against each other for a long time, they know all the enemy’s habits and are beaten in the forehead without tension.
                1. Vlad.by
                  Vlad.by 16 December 2017 14: 35 New
                  +3
                  in 1914, on the Somme, people were also 300 meters apart and were beaten "with strains" in the forehead of each other. Has something changed since then?
                  Or nowadays fly a new bullet?
        4. Lycan
          Lycan 15 December 2017 16: 02 New
          +6
          Quote: pp to Oparyshev
          In modern, it is better to shoot without protruding, with a good overview and a smart sight.

          For example - with submarine calibers from underwater. wink or from air bombs.
          But more colorful - "Scythians" - straight from the bottom.
          1. Settlement Oparyshev
            Settlement Oparyshev 15 December 2017 16: 12 New
            0
            Sofa bedsores did not reduce your unhealthy rampage of fantasies.
            1. Lycan
              Lycan 15 December 2017 17: 31 New
              +2
              This is sarcasm, if that.
            2. Lycan
              Lycan 15 December 2017 17: 46 New
              +4
              And you, my dear, if only to humiliate a person with or without. Seen from you more than once.
              Therefore, inferiority is ripening. Nothing, and not survive such rot.
              1. Settlement Oparyshev
                Settlement Oparyshev 15 December 2017 20: 52 New
                0
                Your sarcasm somehow does not bother you. With regard to submarines, is this what? With what side to the gunner. Write adequately, only for.
        5. Biko50
          Biko50 16 December 2017 05: 25 New
          0
          And the cast-iron head does not interfere with the installation.
      2. figwam
        figwam 15 December 2017 13: 11 New
        +3
        Probably decided to make a minimum of changes.
        1. Kent0001
          Kent0001 15 December 2017 14: 18 New
          +1
          The couple somehow refused a lot. There is no money for an expensive soldier's machine. Refused, but sorry.
          1. Biko50
            Biko50 16 December 2017 05: 34 New
            0
            They regretted money, bastards.
        2. da Vinci
          da Vinci 15 December 2017 22: 28 New
          0
          They put a plastic butt (developed by the US 70s), changed the rear sight and front sight (Finland 70s), stuck a piece of metal on a fire translator. Plank !. Ah yes. Painted in yellow and made windows in the store !!! AND ALL !!!!! The words are over !!! request For this it is necessary to plant! From a janitor to a director! fool
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 17 December 2017 00: 53 New
            +1
            And from these changes that you listed, did the accuracy of the battle during automatic shooting change so dramatically?
            Normal machine for mass use. It is massive. For the special forces, the choice of weapons is much wider and it is not a fact that the special forces in any case will choose AEK for the campaign.
            Military tests will show who and what is worthy. The issue of reliability is at the forefront.
            1. da Vinci
              da Vinci 17 December 2017 15: 04 New
              +1
              And who argues request ! The thing is different: many years, money and beautiful promises about new weapons spent on TUNING worth $ 150! Personally, I see this only unfounded populism and theft angry . And the fact that the AK-47 with numerous modifications over 70 years is a reliable proven machine - I don’t even discuss it. But you need to develop. You can’t go into battle in the 34st century on a reliable and proven T21 tank. You need to make the same reliable and powerful weapon!
              1. Vlad.by
                Vlad.by 18 December 2017 15: 37 New
                0
                Hmm, but in the West it means everyone is developing very much?
                And in my opinion, all the newfangled western rifles are a continuation of the Colt company with its M16. Not? Also "tuning", but not for $ 150 but much cooler.
                But the essence is one.
                1. da Vinci
                  da Vinci 18 December 2017 23: 23 New
                  0
                  The bottom line is one. But if, for example, they had announced that "a PARTIAL improvement of ergonomics in 1 year would be carried out in order to improve the tactical characteristics of the product" and the result that we are seeing now would be already in 2011-2012, - Respect, BUT it was announced almost about the "radically improved automaton of the future" (I exaggerate, but this is briefly about the main thing) - the result is FUZ! IMHO I just hate rotten chatter with swollen cheeks for a long time and deeply respect the real result (for example, the same ORSIS, which made excellent weapons in 3-5 years without bravado and narcissism of the ROGozins and the like. hi
                  1. Vlad.by
                    Vlad.by 19 December 2017 01: 17 New
                    0
                    So what is zilch then? The main problem of AK-insufficiently high accuracy in automatic fire is fundamentally resolved. There are brackets for body kit, there are controls under both hands. Weight was reduced, ergonomics were improved, reliability was left at the level of ...
                    What the hell do you still need from mass weapons?
                    So that by itself it would shoot at the bullseye for a kilometer?
      3. Kosmotoga
        Kosmotoga 15 December 2017 14: 01 New
        +3
        and also submarines that are hiding in rock formations at the bottom of the sea so that God forbid they don’t get a torpedo)
      4. vomag
        vomag 15 December 2017 14: 34 New
        +4
        Quote: Tartar 174
        Is it AK-12?

        She's not a regular akm in the newfangled Chuneng ....
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 15 December 2017 13: 05 New
      +8
      Video to the news
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 15 December 2017 15: 28 New
        +1
        Cho something like Grozny is more and more like.
        1. Siberia 9444
          Siberia 9444 15 December 2017 23: 06 New
          +1
          Why didn’t they develop further AK107 or 108 request were also for different calibers. By the way, sold as Saiga, beautiful kapets good
    3. Rader
      Rader 16 December 2017 10: 25 New
      +2
      Where are the periscopes?


      On the submarines.
      bully
      1. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 10: 32 New
        0
        Here is a typical level of thinking of modern, uneducated and not able to think young people.
  2. Jedi
    Jedi 15 December 2017 12: 56 New
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    Tests completed. Everyone is waiting for debriefing,
    said Krivoruchko agency.

    Your division! And summing up how long will it last? Already the second generation of the Warrior is in full use, the third is on the way, but with guns everything calves! am
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 15 December 2017 13: 03 New
      +6
      Max, they are mussoling the conclusion that we at VO have already designated as more than a year.
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 15 December 2017 13: 08 New
        +7
        So it is, already how many copies are broken on this topic ...
        1. Going
          Going 15 December 2017 13: 14 New
          +6
          Maxim, good afternoon! hi and until the end and the edge is not visible.
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 15 December 2017 13: 17 New
            +7
            I suspect that some people really want to be a monopolist on an assault rifle for the Warrior, hence all the tyagomotin. sad
            1. Going
              Going 15 December 2017 13: 19 New
              +7
              Again money, again kickbacks and clan fighting.
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 15 December 2017 13: 22 New
                +7
                Like in that fable: "And things are still there ..."
                1. Going
                  Going 15 December 2017 13: 23 New
                  +7
                  It’s time to apply power.
                  1. Jedi
                    Jedi 15 December 2017 13: 26 New
                    +4
                    I do not understand why this has not yet been done. Or did the responsible Rogozin get a strong “paw”?
                    1. Going
                      Going 15 December 2017 13: 30 New
                      +6
                      Apparently, he will soon get to another place.
                      1. Jedi
                        Jedi 15 December 2017 13: 32 New
                        +6
                        It’s time for this guardian to fix the brains for the military-industrial complex.
        2. Going
          Going 15 December 2017 13: 36 New
          +6
          Quote: Jedi
          It’s time for this guardian to fix the brains for the military-industrial complex.


          Everything is done through one place. lol
    2. Sergey53
      Sergey53 15 December 2017 13: 09 New
      +3
      Here as with Ulyukaev, who whom.
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 15 December 2017 13: 12 New
        +6
        And this despite the fact that the “Kalashnikov Concern” and the Kovrovites have different weight categories.
        1. Going
          Going 15 December 2017 13: 15 New
          +9
          Competition is good, of course, but it's time to decide.
    3. Ustin
      Ustin 15 December 2017 13: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Jedi
      Tests completed. Everyone is waiting for debriefing,
      said Krivoruchko agency.

      Your division! And summing up how long will it last? Already the second generation of the Warrior is in full use, the third is on the way, but with guns everything calves! am
      Until they choose AKA.
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 15 December 2017 13: 47 New
        +6
        "Kalashnikov Concern" is precisely what this is achieving.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 15 December 2017 15: 35 New
          +1
          The machine will be adopted when it is shown that for the mobilization period it is possible to produce, if not 10-50 million, but at least 2-3 million. So as not to be a mosquito with an Austrian bayonet (if anything, tetrahedral).
      2. Black5Raven
        Black5Raven 15 December 2017 15: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Ustin
        Until they choose AKA.

        You still do not understand for what it is up to? The Kalashnikov concern used all the resources, all “its own” in power in order to receive such a welcome order. Did not pass? We will give another chance. After all, the money is paid!
      3. SOF
        SOF 15 December 2017 20: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Ustin
        Until they choose AKA.

        What do you dislike about AK? Ask half of humanity what they will take in the trench- AK or high-tech cat in a poke?
        The Russian language is written - two machines.
        The "speed" of a decision depends on how to drink, on the price offer, one, the maximum of the attached option, two, unification with the available spare parts, three, and four, on the plants' capabilities for starting and subsequent serial production.
        I suspect that on the contrary, it’s Kovrov’s lobby as a special forces weapon, in view of its more whimsical to pollution, and to say less of its reliability, due to higher accuracy classes in manufacturing.
        hi
  3. Romka47
    Romka47 15 December 2017 12: 57 New
    +5
    The machine must be reliable in the first place !!! What difference does it have in it, what on it, if it jammed ..
  4. Sergey53
    Sergey53 15 December 2017 13: 02 New
    +4
    First: only AEK-971 was put forward for testing. But they asked the MO to take the AK-12 as well. Have taken. At the request of the Ministry of Defense, machine guns should have interchangeable barrels with a different caliber, here the AK-15 appears, and the AEK-971 just has an interchangeable barrel. Well, the words of D. Rogozin and draw a line under the tests and the purpose of taking the AK-12 for testing. His words: "We will definitely develop both design schools." Everything fell into place. Everything else is from the evil one.
  5. senima56
    senima56 15 December 2017 13: 32 New
    +1
    "Everyone is waiting for a debriefing." So what? Everyone has been waiting for a "debriefing" for several years! Tell me bluntly: "At the moment there is no money for the rearmament of the army for a new machine!" And then they hold for a fool: "the tests are finished, we are waiting for confirmation of the results!" Got it already!
    1. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 00: 28 New
      0
      Why do you need a new assault rifle. If you don’t learn how to shoot from the old one, then there is no hope that they will start to fall out of the new one. The AK’s potential has not yet been fully revealed.
      1. Double major
        Double major 16 December 2017 20: 04 New
        0
        And what AK takes up and left the colonels are not in the know? What is the target of the bullet only of the first cartridge? Oh well...
  6. AlexSam
    AlexSam 15 December 2017 13: 40 New
    +2
    1. Based on the video, in the new version of the AK-12 they did not bother with the shutter lag, so as not to invent and not launch new stores, but all in the bar! Interestingly, someone conscripts will give a hitch to these soldiers?
    2. Based on the article, according to Rogozin, the AK-12 will go for conscripts ...

    do our conscript soldiers have this brainless cannon fodder on our “engines” of army progress? and the Kalashnikov concern again cast a bullet from a ram and wants to promote IT, becoming a monopolist and raising a bunch of dough on IT? I am silent for Rogozin, he has a child ...
    1. Topotun
      Topotun 15 December 2017 14: 15 New
      +3
      Sorry, I had to shoot AKM, AK-74 and, frankly, I didn’t feel the need for a shutter delay. What about the benefits of AK-12 and AEK? I don’t know, AEK did not use it, but it is somewhat more complicated in production, as I understand from the description. Therefore, to make it massive is, first of all, a big burden on the economy. Therefore, it is quite logical for the special forces.
  7. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 15 December 2017 13: 48 New
    +1
    you must already go over to such ones.
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 15 December 2017 14: 03 New
      +3
      so already ...

      Margolin's gun ... just in case ...
    2. Topotun
      Topotun 15 December 2017 14: 15 New
      +1
      And you drag IT on a march of at least 5 kilometers .... Yes, even with ammunition at least one and a half ...
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 15 December 2017 16: 00 New
        +1
        Hmm, a good thing is a carbine, but a piece.
        And THIS ?! - and what to do where the compass does not always work?
        And in the Himalayas, the Chinese have AK-47 and SCS ... yes, yes, theirs.
    3. SOF
      SOF 15 December 2017 21: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: 16112014nk
      you must already go over to such ones.

      Yes, of course! But ... but if they’re not putting it into a sick man’s thirst, the short circuit batteries will not be made?
      Seen enough Starvars ... bilin. But with this crap, you’ll have to fight not only in the shooting range.
  8. cannabis
    cannabis 15 December 2017 14: 25 New
    +1
    It’s so good that I’m not serving right now, and I don’t see all the entom nonsense.
  9. av58
    av58 15 December 2017 14: 32 New
    +1
    "For the soldier" needs AKM. I will not exchange it for any other. Better a little more weight on the cartridges you can survive.
  10. Terenin
    Terenin 15 December 2017 14: 38 New
    +9
    Quote: cunning
    It’s so good that I’m not serving right now, and I don’t see all the entom nonsense.

    Here shit and went from the fact that the specialists left, as in that saying:
    He slept well before serving in the army, because he knew that they were guarding me. During the service he slept poorly, since he himself guarded. I don’t sleep at all after the service, because I know how to guard ...
  11. senima56
    senima56 15 December 2017 17: 26 New
    +1
    While "we are waiting for the debriefing" the AK-12 has already turned into an AK-17 (18)! How long will this bootleg last?
  12. senima56
    senima56 15 December 2017 17: 49 New
    +1
    Already two years ago they announced: "The AK-12 won the competition. It will be accepted for service!" Then, suddenly, they announce: "The tests are continuing!" Then again: "Defeated AK12!" And then, finally:: "it remains to wait for a debriefing." How many more years will we "wait" ?! .... Probably with a new gun. PL-15 is the same bodyaga to be ?! We will “wait” until it is morally obsolete, like PY!
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 15 December 2017 20: 15 New
      +2
      This was announced by the plant itself, and not by the Moscow Region. They want it so much that they are ready to jump out of their pants.
    2. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 15 December 2017 23: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: senima56
      "AK-12 won the competition. It will be put into service!" Then, suddenly, they announce: "the tests are continuing

      Strange, I saw the opposite - Aek gave the 12th in all respects and the second “with the grace of the sovereign” was sent for revision.
      1. Double major
        Double major 16 December 2017 20: 01 New
        0
        Lobby steers. AEK is better in all respects. Shot from both.
  13. NEXUS
    NEXUS 15 December 2017 19: 09 New
    +4
    On which and AK-12 to 5,45 caliber and AK-15 at 7,62? For regular parts, one caliber is not destiny to do that? And the question is number two. Why not the AK-107 or the AK 400th series?
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 15 December 2017 20: 17 New
      0
      New, then dear. The main thing is to grab money. And after 50 years they will finalize it, bring it to the necessary parameters.
  14. Igor Bragin
    Igor Bragin 15 December 2017 21: 57 New
    +2
    The simpler the system, the more reliable it is. Optimists study English, pessimists study Chinese, and we are realists, we study the Kalashnikov assault rifle.
  15. alex-sherbakov48
    alex-sherbakov48 15 December 2017 21: 57 New
    0
    But it’s good if the machine won’t lift its nose. This means that the effectiveness of firing bursts will increase significantly.
    1. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 00: 32 New
      0
      Petrov’s AK doesn’t lift his nose, he knows how to shoot. Our people, as always, come up with a supermachine gun instead of learning to shoot.
  16. Stoler
    Stoler 15 December 2017 23: 10 New
    0
    They hung AK with bells and whistles and ... OPA !! CHEAP, CREATIVE, ANGRY !!! DEVICE BL !!!
  17. Lenivets2
    Lenivets2 16 December 2017 00: 50 New
    +2
    What's the news?
    They scored in the article exactly the same as they scored in the last few years.
    And the test result was not, and is not.
    What is this graphomania for? what
  18. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 16 December 2017 11: 37 New
    0
    All these bells and whistles are certainly good and above all for sale. It is necessary to improve the performance characteristics. I read somewhere that accuracy of the AK 12 is 1,1% higher than that of the AEK 971.
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  20. kumaxa
    kumaxa 16 December 2017 14: 40 New
    +1
    very similar to the weapons of undeveloped cyborgs! one to one. who will be interested in videos on the yu tube snowstorm. simply put another killer! like darling AK74 was so he will eat and be. stock many many. looking for grandchildren and great-grandchildren enough! Do not argue, citizens in the Ministry of Defense know how to count money. maybe what specialists will get what. but the infantry Vanya with a service life of 12 months will not get anything and don’t give him that !!!
  21. tracer
    tracer 16 December 2017 14: 50 New
    0
    It is unclear how the immobility with respect to the axis of the trunk of all these picatinas is provided ... Especially the upper rails. And where is the duplication of the mechanical sight? AND ? What ? Not necessary ? No, dear friends, you still need to. You can never trust a glass for 100 percent. Batteries will sit in it, shooting will fail, especially after removing the cover for cleaning the mechanism. It just flies off the mount or chases.
    1. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 16 December 2017 15: 08 New
      0
      For immobility, they knock down the aiming bar, drill the thread on the side and screw the bars already screwed.
  22. Double major
    Double major 16 December 2017 19: 58 New
    0
    Not a second doubted the victory of the Kalashnikov lobby, the next upgrade of the system of the middle of the last century. Regrettably.
    The passage of AEK into special vehicles does not compensate for the defeat of the more modern weapons system before the arbitrariness of officials.
  23. hezbola
    hezbola 17 December 2017 02: 51 New
    0
    just for not bullying the nose enough dtk type 308rage compensator from um tactical, And again, calibers against the Papuans ..
  24. Samvel
    Samvel 17 December 2017 07: 44 New
    0
    I look at this miracle of technology and I think. Thank God I served for a long time and my ensign is likely to have even died in retirement, may God grant him gentle devils and interruptions in coal in the underworld)))) Yes, you’ll be able to clean it, there are so many facets, Toli is a good old Soviet AKM.