Submarine 5-th generation "Husky" has gained its appearance

The head of the robotic sector of the St. Petersburg Maritime Bureau of Engineering "Malachite" Oleg Vlasov told the media that the appearance of the 5th generation multipurpose nuclear submarine "Husky" has been determined. The project will be presented to the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy in a few days. fleet Of Russia. It is about the completion of the so-called outline design of the future submarine.

From the statement of Oleg Vlasov (quotes RIA News):

We present it (avanproekt) to our general customer. In this case, the commander in chief of the Navy. The 20 number of the commander-in-chief comes to us, to whom we will present all these technical data.

Earlier, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Vladimir Korolev, said that the research phase of the multi-purpose Husky submarine project will be completed in 2018.

The structure of the Russian Navy also reported that the construction of submarines of the 5 generation is planned to be laid in the state armaments program for the period from 2018 to 2025.

Today it is known that the Husky submarine of the fifth generation of submarines will be armed with the latest hypersonic cruise missile Zircon with speed in 5-6 sound. At the moment, there is practically no other publicly available information about the project.

Comments

[Grandfather]

future time is not so defined, even if they started cutting iron, and then reported.

[Titsen]

Quote: Dead Day

even if they began to cut iron, and then reported.

The main thing to crow!

[maxim947]

The main thing to crow!

No need to swear, it is written - preliminary design is completed, then there will be the next stage and also work related only to the documentation. That's when the contract appears for the manufacture then the iron will be cut, and now this is not the task.
Only the article apparently confused the concepts of advance design and outline. It is most likely a pre-project, because a preliminary design is already part of the contract, but it is not there yet.

[bulvas]

Quote: Dead Day

future time is not so defined, even if they started cutting iron, and then reported.

It’s clear that the grandfather wants to see the new boat in metal,
so only:

It is about the completion of the so-called outline design of the future submarine.

It’s hard at this point to understand how to cut iron

And what was reported is to the journalists, they are in a hurry to “stake out the news”, they need to earn bread

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: maxim947

The main thing to crow!

No need to swear, it is written - preliminary design is completed, then there will be the next stage and also work related only to the documentation. That's when the contract appears for the manufacture then the iron will be cut, and now this is not the task.
Only the article apparently confused the concepts of advance design and outline. It is most likely a pre-project, because a preliminary design is already part of the contract, but it is not there yet.

If there is no contract, there is no advance project. Of course, there are contracts. But they do not have to be prescribed up to serial production. And there is a contract for the preliminary stages, with its own tactical and technical requirements, there are terms and a circle of performers. Upon completion of these stages, there will be the following solutions. The fact that the appearance is drawn means that the fundamental requirements are fulfilled and are real for execution.

[maxim947]

I bet the enterprise can lay out an advance project on its own, without a contract, but it is possible that it already exists. There is no specifics in the advance project and they are not there, just a general idea and approximate characteristics. More accurate data will appear at the TP stage.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: maxim947

I bet the enterprise can lay out an advance project on its own, without a contract, but it is possible that it already exists. There is no specifics in the advance project and they are not there, just a general idea and approximate characteristics. More accurate data will appear at the TP stage.

I do not think this is the fruit of the initiative. This company is a monopolist in the design of this type of product. Be in competition with someone, then it could be easy. All these offices, with the names of precious stones, are one gang-watering can.

[just exp]

The article is generally about the fact that only the appearance was done. and there, even about a full-fledged project, a paragraph is still far away.

[RASKAT]

Personally, it seems to me that the boat will be multi-purpose, and carry at least 30-40 missiles. Both anti-shipable and winged tactical. It may even be possible to combine all these qualities in one rocket, since it (Zircon) is too secret. If its range is 1000 km, then Caliber is essentially not needed, it copes with most ground targets.

[bulvas]

Quote: RASKAT

Personally, it seems to me that the boat will be multi-purpose, and carry at least 30-40 missiles. Both anti-shipable and winged tactical. It may even be possible to combine all these qualities in one rocket, since it (Zircon) is too secret. If its range is 1000 km, then Caliber is essentially not needed, it copes with most ground targets.

Different missiles are needed for different purposes.
Somewhere you need Caliber, and somewhere Zircon

They have different goals and performance characteristics.
Why use Zircon against barmaley?

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: RASKAT

Personally, it seems to me that the boat will be multi-purpose, and carry at least 30-40 missiles. Both anti-shipable and winged tactical. It may even be possible to combine all these qualities in one rocket, since it (Zircon) is too secret. If its range is 1000 km, then Caliber is essentially not needed, it copes with most ground targets.

It seems to me that the boat should be mainly a hunter for American AUGs. We must protect ourselves, and almost 100% of the possible speculation by American nearby aircraft carriers. This type of application does not require a huge number of boards. Zircons are the most effective tools for this. And the range of these beater, in this form of application will not be required overseas. Further, the deprivation of their advantages of the marine component of the nuclear triad. In the ground we have some trump cards.

[just exp]

about the Huskies there they wrote that it would be not only multi-purpose but also the first multiclass in the world.
that is, it will be both ICAPL and SSBN and SSBN simultaneously.,

[210ox]

These sketches .... The main thing that would appear in the metal .. And then they will declare in a year, postpone for now ..

[Serg65]

Quote: 210ox

And then they will declare in a year, postpone for now ..

Hello Dmitry
The main theme in this news is ..

We present it (advance project) to our general customer.

Those. It does not steer the military-industrial complex as in the case of the Union, but the customer represented by the Navy !!!! And it's not about the money, but whether the customer will like the sketch !!!

[Hagalaz]

What is the wrong wording you have, in my opinion. What does the military-industrial complex mean? I dare say that never in the Union, speaking in your opinion, the military-industrial complex did not steer! Having built, fulfilled the requirements of the customer. And it is not uncommon for projects to be closed or processed if the customer did not like it. Yes, it happened that some work was carried out on an initiative basis. But only genius designers really did this and relatively not often, and even they were never completely sure of the results of their initiative.
As for the article, the normal work within the framework of the customer-executor ligament. Another thing, is it worth it to advertise at this stage?

[Serg65]

Quote: Hagalaz

I dare say

Well let's dare !!! In the facts, surnames and products !!!

Quote: Hagalaz

never in the Union, in your opinion, the military-industrial complex did not steer!

Yes nuuu ??? Come on!!!! Only for the USSR Navy .... "Anchar" project 661, "Barracuda" project 945, "Shark" project 941, "Orlan" project 1144, "Sarych" project 956 + his brother "Frigate" project 1155 ... is that enough for you ??? I can continue!
Who was the Minister of Defense until the 84th? That's right, Minister of Defense Industry, Secretary of the Central Committee, Comrade Ustinov !!

Quote: Hagalaz

Another thing, is it worth it to advertise at this stage?

Here in this I completely agree with you!

[Hagalaz]

You gave a lot of examples, but what's the point? And still I dare! Take the same Shark, the TASK for the project (I will not hide, I specified on the Internet) was issued in 72. And it is so huge not from the ambitions of the military industrial complex, shipbuilding in this case, but from the fact that the CUSTOMER, the Navy, by the way, at that time did not have enough compact missiles with the necessary characteristics for submarines. These two facts do not mean that the military-industrial complex rules in front of the customer.

[Serg65]

Quote: Hagalaz

not from the ambitions of the military-industrial complex, shipbuilding in this case, but from the fact that the CUSTOMER, Navy, then bish, at that time did not have enough compact missiles

I'm wildly sorry, but did you understand what you wrote? In your opinion, the CUSTOMER makes a rocket for himself and asks the military-industrial complex to make a boat for this rocket?
Good luck to you

[Hagalaz]

Exactly! Submarine Shark was created for a specific missile. Examine the question.
And good luck to you!

[Serg65]

Quote: Hagalaz

Submarine Shark was created for a specific rocket

My young friend, you see .... The 941st project was created as our response to the appearance of the Ohio nuclear submarine with 24 Trident C4 on board ... and ONLY !!!
At that time, 43 SSBNs were in service at the USSR Navy, each of which carried 16 Sawers (R-29, R-29D and R-29DU missiles) and please explain to me, USSR Fleet Admiral Gorshkov having 43 SSBNs with 688 missiles on board, FULL IDEAS WHICH ORDERS 6 MONSTERS with 120 STOURS ????? Do you think that 688 missiles will be too small? And another 120 rackets is just right? Yes, do not tell me why IDIET Gorshkov refused the series and limited himself to 3 Water Carriers? Decided that 688 missiles are still enough?

Quote: Hagalaz

Study the question

Young man. Wikipedia, of course, is interesting to read but not to study the issue, my advice ... do not rely on Wikipedia in disputes

[common man]

Quote: Serg65

.... The 941st project was created as our response to the appearance of the Ohio nuclear submarine with 24 C4 Tridents on board ... AND ONLY !!!

Actually, the 941s began to be made, because the military wanted solid-fuel rockets. But turbojet engines turned out to be very large. (Why, another conversation, now is not about that) Therefore, the 941st monster turned out.

[Serg65]

Quote: man in the street

Actually, the 941s began to be made, because the military wanted solid-fuel rockets.

But the military themselves wanted or missed someone and ..... and we also need this! Give !!!

[common man]

Quote: Serg65

But the military themselves wanted or missed someone and ..... and we also need this! Give

In the USSR, strategic missiles, starting from 7, were developed with rocket engines. WE were strong at that. In the US, traditionally developed with turbojet engines. Trident including. The turbojet engine has certain advantages. Storage of a rocket with refueling. The military also wanted a missile with a turbojet engine. It turned out R-39 weighing 90 tons (R-29 40 tons, Trident-1 32 tons). Accordingly, the carrier, project 941 turned out to be large.
The military dictate to the military-industrial complex their "Wishlist", the military-industrial complex creates what they can create at the moment. The military either accepts what they are given (as with the 941st, for example), or put it off until later, when science and production are tightened up (for example, Polyment-redoubt). Or like Serdyukov, they say, "Fuck you. We in the West will buy better and cheaper."

[Evgeniy667b]

Serg65 Very reminiscent of SSBN "Ivan Washington" in fact, who is who! This is me about the "Navagu"

[Hagalaz]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: Hagalaz

Submarine Shark was created for a specific rocket

My young friend, you see .... The 941st project was created as our response to the appearance of the Ohio nuclear submarine with 24 Trident C4 on board ... and ONLY !!!
At that time, 43 SSBNs were in service at the USSR Navy, each of which carried 16 Sawers (R-29, R-29D and R-29DU missiles) and please explain to me, USSR Fleet Admiral Gorshkov having 43 SSBNs with 688 missiles on board, FULL IDEAS WHICH ORDERS 6 MONSTERS with 120 STOURS ????? Do you think that 688 missiles will be too small? And another 120 rackets is just right? Yes, do not tell me why IDIET Gorshkov refused the series and limited himself to 3 Water Carriers? Decided that 688 missiles are still enough?

Quote: Hagalaz

Study the question

Young man. Wikipedia, of course, is interesting to read but not to study the issue, my advice ... do not rely on Wikipedia in disputes

My no less young and moderately self-confident subscriber, you again wrote a lot and 90 percent of emotions, not facts. If you show me the source, which indicates that the Shark is not armed with P-39, I will be grateful. And the P-39 is significantly larger than the P-29 that you indicated. If you think that the leadership of the fleet is not competent and you want a range of 10000 for the R-39 versus 6500-8000, and accordingly a large charge power, well, I have nothing to argue with, but I want to ask then why are you reasoning, but
not the headquarters of the Navy.
Wikipidi: Speak? Articles on R-29, R-39 and Shark are here in VO, to help you. And maybe I did not have much time, but I did not see your qualified amendments there.

[Serg65]

Quote: Hagalaz

I have nothing to object, but I want to ask then why are you reasoning, and
not the headquarters of the Navy.

Eh ... our song is good, start from the beginning !!!!
Discard the previous words and try to figure it out!
in the 71st year, the KGB PSU, led by Lieutenant General Lazarev, received information about the work of Americans on a solid fuel ballistic missile with 6 Trident IC4 naval-based units. Anatoly Ivanovich, as expected, reported this to the Politburo, the members scratched the back of his head and said ... are we catching up and overtaking? So you need to catch up and overtake !!!! KB Makeeva given the task - DO !!! In the 77th, Cape Canaveral Lockheed launches his first rocket. Our missile defense system is observing this launch, which is immediately reported to the GRU of the Ministry of Defense, a dispatch with a courier is being sent from the Kremlin to Zlatoust ... you’ll speed up, or you’ll get more money! As a result, we have what we have, in principle, an excellent rocket but very large and very heavy ... 16,5 meters and 90 tons, against 10,2 meters and 33 tons from Trident! By the way, Makeev himself was against rockets with solid propellant rocket engines, but Ustinov’s pressure. the then secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU for the defense industry, made Makeev engage in this missile.
Well, somewhere like that.

[Hagalaz]

So be it. But do not you think that with this information you only confirmed my words? After all, the specific appearance of the rocket was formed earlier and determined the specific appearance of the submarine.

[Hagalaz]

I got free and decided to do charity work. On May 26 and 31, 2016, articles appeared under the title “D-9 (D-19) missile system with R-29 (39) missile launcher.” In the latter, and about the Shark, too. Learn mat.chast and less emotions I recommend you.

[Same lech]

Today it is known that the Husky project nuclear submarines (the fifth generation of submarines) will be armed with the latest Zircon hypersonic cruise missile with a speed of 5-6 sound.

Will ... will ... just wagging ahead of time is not worth it ... what kind of stuffing tell about all the stages of armament of the Russian Navy ...

First do and then say ... filter your messages and thoughts.

[Serg65]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

filter your messages and thoughts

Приветствуем!
These posters are no longer in vogue in units, headquarters and factories!

[Wolka]

however, they like to report “in time” with us, although in this project “the horse didn’t roll around” ...

[Observer2014]

Submarine 5-th generation "Husky" has gained its appearance

In the form of a 4-storey building? Judging by the photo.

[Herculesic]

Real Husky will be offended if the submarines of a new generation, the pastroins named in their honor will not be !!!

[Cheshire]

And three mistakes in the sentence - will the husky not be offended by this?

[kirgiz58]

Quote: Cheshire

And three mistakes in the sentence

These are not mistakes, this is a "corporate" style.

[Cheshire]

Unfortunately you are right, the legacy is 90-2000x.

[sergo1914]

Why only with the commander in chief? You need to put it on the site. There iksperdy will catch up. Who is the commander in chief? Specialist? Yes, nevermind. From the sofa you can see better. Give an Internet referendum on a draft design!

[Old26]

Quote: RASKAT

Personally, it seems to me that the boat will be multi-purpose, and carry at least 30-40 missiles. Both anti-shipable and winged tactical. It may even be possible to combine all these qualities in one rocket, since it (Zircon) is too secret. If its range is 1000 km, then Caliber is essentially not needed, it copes with most ground targets.

30-40 missiles? Can you imagine what this boat will be like. It will be the size of a good strategic missile carrier. In addition, from the announced range of the Zircon will be about 400 km. You can imagine what this monster will be if it has a range of 1000 km

Quote: Serg65

.e. It does not steer the military-industrial complex as in the case of the Union, but the customer represented by the Navy !!!! And it's not about the money, but whether the customer will like the sketch !!!

In the union, the pre-project was presented to the customer in the same way, and if not liked, it was redone. If you give the opportunity to "steer" the military-industrial complex - then they will do it - mom do not grieve. No, we, always, had to keep in check and the task of the ordering department to find a “middle ground” between the “Wishlist” of the military and the “Wishlist” of industry, given the possibilities of industry

Quote: Hagalaz

Exactly! Submarine Shark was created for a specific missile. Examine the question.
And good luck to you!

But it was not the customer who insisted on creating such a monster. The customer was interested in such parameters as the range and number (power) of combat units. Created it, this monster R-39 industry. Makeyevtsy could not get something less large. And already under the finished rocket they built a boat.

[Hagalaz]

Hmm, this is a question about chicken and eggs Well, let’s say so, the industry has created a rocket with the requested capabilities and somewhat unsatisfactory dimensions. According to the then existing technologies. Since nothing better was expected in the near future, the military had to agree to this. And making demands to the shipbuilders, we can say that they insisted.)
But I do not argue with you. It's just which side to look at and puns ......
In general, I completely agree with the comment. I myself worked and work in the military-industrial complex.

[Serg65]

common man,

Quote: man in the street

The military also wanted a rocket with turbojet engine

See my comment just below yours, please.

Quote: man in the street

The military either accepts what they are given (as for example, from the 941st), or put it off until later, when science with production pulls up

Have you ever participated in the acceptance of ships? Yes, and do not tell me why it is Novorossiysk, Uduloy and Kulakov with holes in the place of the Daggers spent their whole lives? Although Kulakova seems to have recently been thrust a second Dagger.

[Tektor]

There was once other data. It should carry a missile compartment with the ability to load 8 SLBM Mace, it seems, i.e. - half of the missile compartment of Borea. And therefore, its diameter should be approximately equal to the diameter of Boreas, i.e. 14 m of the missile compartment, but at the same time its displacement should be not only less than Borey in 21 thousand tons, but also less than Ash-tree in 13 thousand tons. Instead of 8 SLBMs, packages of other missiles can be loaded. Gauges, Onyx, hypersonic and others, for example, Nudol, depending on the task. It was rumored that the outer skin may have active hydrophones to work in antiphase with the noise made by the boat, thereby compensating for noise to the background value.
It is also possible to use anthropomorphic robots as part of the crew for additional continuous monitoring of the environment, extinguishing fires, working in flooded compartments, compartments with lethal conditions for humans and taking command in the event of the death of the crew to return the boat to the base or to continue the task.

[Serg65]

Hagalaz,

Quote: Hagalaz

the specific appearance of the rocket formed earlier and determined the specific appearance of the submarine.

Yes, that's right, I won’t argue! Only in this story the customer was not the Navy, the customer was the political leadership of the country + the military-industrial lobby represented by Ustinov.

[The Siberian barber]

God forbid!
Pah-pah ...)

[Sergey53]

Why procrastinate the same thing. The message is about nothing. That's when in 2018 there will be something then it is necessary to report.