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Putin’s last presidential term: tough game or silent capitulation?

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What do you think about the presidential term and the aggravation of external and internal war? It's simple. Many are not holding their breath, but they are waiting for some lists in the United States promised in February that are of direct relevance to Russia.




Lists of oligarchs, officials, in general, those who keep money abroad. Subtext: corrupt. And the imposition of personal sanctions on them.

What they are there, over the ocean, to our thieves? Well, store. Well, their capital works for the American economy. So what?

And the fact that the law “On counteracting the opponents of America through sanctions” signed by Donald Trump in August so demands. Opponents in the law called Russia, Iran and North Korea.

In the US, they believe that this list will primarily consist of people who are very close to Putin. Accordingly, the long-range sight is aimed just at him.

The idea of ​​Americans is simple, like a Coca-Cola bank: a threat to the capital of oligarchs-friends will make them (oligarchs) go, if not to a direct confrontation, then to something like a coup. According to the Ukrainian script.

And I must say, all this is not without reason. It is not necessary, after all, to keep for stupid a certain part of Americans who work in the respective services of three letters. They know how to work and calculate steps too.

Considering that friendship is friendship, and money apart, it’s hard to say how people from Putin’s entourage will behave in this situation.

In the US, they believe that Putin has placed loyal people everywhere, whose incomes and living standards depend on his desires. This is normal. As well as I will not doubt that there is a group of particularly close oligarchs who control national wealth thanks to their relations with Putin. Here, of course, the Americans are right.

Another question is that Putin inherited many of the oligarchs from Yeltsin, and they have not gone anywhere. Almost everyone lives and thrives, with a few exceptions. Indeed, Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky and Lebedev - rather, the exceptions that created problems for themselves, nothing more.

And, I must say, this US operation may agitate some part of Putin’s entourage. Fact.

Here, by the way, it is not only about money in the matter of sanctions. Here and real estate, and, as an option, a ban and expulsion of students and students of colleges and universities in the West.

An interesting move. Of course, from whom children do not study abroad, so you should not worry.

How to properly organize the leak of the necessary information in the United States know perfectly. Nothing else than the possible prospects of future losses, it is impossible to explain the stirring that has arisen around foreign capital.

The calculation was based on the fact that anxiety for their future will push the Russian oligarchs to take action.

But here came out a little differently. For some reason, the proposal of the oligarchs to stimulate the return of their capital from abroad by issuing special currency bonds with high yields did not meet with understanding.

Representatives of the Ministry of Finance called this proposal nonsense. It would be very interesting to find out what our representatives from the Forbes lists think in light of this.

But it is quite normal and explainable. To pay from the budget for the return to Russia of capital earned in different ways and brought to the West by far not the purest ways - well, this is definitely a bust. Especially on the eve of the election.

It reminded us of the practice of the nineties, when the owner of the stolen property was offered to return it at half price. It seems, is not it?

So it is possible that February will bring many reasons for concern to our wealthy people.

But what about the majority of Russians to the problems of the oligarchs? Many will only be happy. Here the question is somewhat different.

Russian vertical of power. How closely is it connected (in that connection, there is no doubt) with oligarchs who may suffer losses? And to what extent will this vertical be vulnerable to oligarchs?

There is no doubt that the Russian oligarchy will put pressure on government officials with all its might to secure the most favorable conditions for the return of capital to Russia. And to what extent the government will agree to shift these costs on the shoulders of the Russians.

Of course, there is an option. Putin will soon have to thoroughly shake the existing structure in order to deprive it of its vulnerable elements. Let's just say, replace the henchmen of the oligarchs with patriots, who are also independent of the oligarchs.

Interesting, but doubtful. And not because Putin has not enough spirit, but the point is the complete absence of those persons in and around the government.

Meanwhile, under pressure from the masters, power may even come out of obedience to Putin. Again, we look at Ukraine.

And here the position of the United States is very peculiar and not without ambiguity.

On the one hand, there are quite serious financial problems in the USA. And there are no extra resources in the form of arrested and nationalized amounts (note, not small). It's one thing when other people's money is spinning through the banks in the economy, another thing is when this money suddenly became its own. Two big differences after all.

On the other hand, the pressure on the oligarchs through their wallets is the best way to put pressure on Putin. If he goes to the demands put forward by the oligarchs, this in turn will strike at the Russian economy. Amounts rather big ...

Well, the possibility of an oligarchic coup, too, should not be discounted. Moreover, the government has really done a lot to ensure that this situation exists.

In an amicable way, of course, no bonuses and special welfare regimes for oligarchs in Russia should be created. Moreover, in our opinion, it is also worth talking about measures of a repressive nature.

Let those who robbed the country and withdraw money abroad do not think that they should at least earn at least, returning money to Russia, but that otherwise they will be beaten from both sides at once.

And measures against those who are still hesitating will have to be taken quickly and firmly, immediately after publication.

Bargaining, as they say, is inappropriate here.

Americans are seriously counting on the effect of sanctions. And not without reason, of course. This once again proves that in fact Putin does not control the oligarchs. Least. And the fact that the Russian elites will be disappointed in Putin, if he does not play on their side, is quite possible. And it’s normal if the elites start looking for alternatives already in 2018.

Of course, it would be nice, from the point of view of the Americans, to push elites to speak out against Putin. Ukrainian script, as mentioned above.

But there is a little aspect.

Unlike Yanukovych, Putin controls the power block. Probably, this is the only unit that he really controls on 100%, unlike other ministries and departments.

But this is more than enough at the first moment, because the second may not be.

Indeed, the most recent example is the case of Ulyukaev. Indicative for all involved and standing nearby.

But reliance on security forces is only half. The second half is the real support of the people. With the first, everything is in order, we hope, with the second ...

Just a lot will depend on how the power goes to the oligarchs.

We look, until February there is not so much time left. And there is March ...

Putin’s deadline will be very difficult. We have already said that it will not be so easy to offer a successor. First and foremost, everything that Putin will do will be examined under a microscope. It is in light of the fact that in 2023 (or earlier), he will have to introduce who will continue his political line.

And for this much to be done.
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  1. Knowing
    Knowing 14 December 2017 06: 29 New
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    There will be no quiet surrender, but confrontation with the West is more severe. IMHO. Otherwise, why put forward a fourth term, but ... May the people of Russia and God help Putin.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 14 December 2017 06: 40 New
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      The people of Russia? It will help us, not for the first time .. The main thing is that he would stop spitting on the soul of the people ... Although yes, what does he have to do with it? There are peskovs, bugs, Vasilievs, they are bad ... But he is our guardian. .
      Quote: Knowing
      There will be no quiet surrender, but confrontation with the West is more severe. IMHO. Otherwise, why put forward a fourth term, but ... May the people of Russia and God help Putin.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 14 December 2017 07: 17 New
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        someone still hopes that the Tsar, waking up one day, will exclaim: "damn it! what happened to my people and country ?! here I’ll put things in order now ...!" You still do not understand anything, and live in dreams? take off your pink glasses ... look carefully at the surroundings, at your friends, at your relatives. (not yours of course) wipe your eyes. the system is formed and nothing will change. (point)
        1. Loess
          Loess 14 December 2017 08: 24 New
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          You still do not understand anything, and live in dreams? remove the pink glasses already ... look closely at the surroundings, at your friends, at your relatives. (not yours of course) wipe your eyes.
          We have normal eyesight, we don’t wear glasses, but now it’s time for you to take off your glasses with dark lenses and look around, otherwise you have a lot of negativity. Maybe you also read Solzhenitsen before bedtime? Be simpler and people will reach for you)
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 14 December 2017 09: 21 New
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            Quote: Less
            We have normal vision. .... it hurts a lot of negativity with you. Maybe you also read Solzhenitsen before bedtime?

            Putin Solzhenitsyna loves! It is possible that it is read before bedtime ... Recently, a board was opened to him in Moscow.
            1. Loess
              Loess 14 December 2017 09: 24 New
              +9
              The Moscow City Duma took the decision to open the board, not Putin) Or did the cat leave the kittens - is Putin to blame? So do you think?)
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 14 December 2017 09: 29 New
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                Quote: Less
                The Moscow City Duma took the decision to open the board, not Putin) Or did the cat leave the kittens - is Putin to blame? So do you think?)

                Moscow City Duma never makes decisions against Putin. You take off your glasses (pink), take a look, who does Putin reward there, some sort of hero?
                1. Loess
                  Loess 14 December 2017 09: 38 New
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                  Solzhenitsyn needs to be promoted from time to time, so that EVERYONE reads at least part of that nonsense called Solzhenitsyn’s work. To read and understand that such as Solzhenitsyn can not be absolutely trusted. At the time, I personally only needed one story to make up my mind about it, and in the future this opinion was only strengthened.
                  1. BecmepH
                    BecmepH 14 December 2017 11: 06 New
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                    Quote: Less
                    Solzhenitsyn needs to be promoted from time to time, so that EVERYONE reads at least part of that nonsense called Solzhenitsyn’s work. To read and understand that such as Solzhenitsyn can not be absolutely trusted. At the time, I personally only needed one story to make up my mind about it, and in the future this opinion was only strengthened.

                    We discussed Solzhenitsyn in another article. What did you say? Here we are talking about the guarantor, and you are translating the arrows. True, take off your glasses and look around ...
                    1. Loess
                      Loess 14 December 2017 11: 17 New
                      +1
                      Brr ... Are you talking about a guarantor here? This is currently your only comment on this thread.
                      We discussed Solzhenitsyn in another article. What did you say? Here we are talking about the guarantor, and you are translating the arrows. True, take off your glasses and look around ...
                      1. BecmepH
                        BecmepH 14 December 2017 11: 24 New
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                        Quote: Less
                        Brr ... Are you talking about a guarantor here? This is currently your only comment on this thread.
                        We discussed Solzhenitsyn in another article. What did you say? Here we are talking about the guarantor, and you are translating the arrows. True, take off your glasses and look around ...

                        Yes, you are not wearing glasses, dear. Remove the blinkers. Or you just blurt out, but in the subject, or not in the subject, it does not matter
                  2. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 14 December 2017 16: 00 New
                    +5
                    Solzhenitsyn needs to be promoted from time to time
                    Maybe you and Hitler for the same purpose otpiarit?
                  3. Berkut752
                    Berkut752 14 December 2017 17: 42 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Less
                    Solzhenitsyn needs to be promoted from time to time, so that EVERYONE reads at least part of that nonsense called Solzhenitsyn’s work. To read and understand that such as Solzhenitsyn can not be absolutely trusted. At the time, I personally only needed one story to make up my mind about it, and in the future this opinion was only strengthened.

                    At one time I read one page of the gulag archipelago, further, I did not read this nonsense. And what about this bastard, so here is how he responded about us and Russia:
                    Here is what Solzhenitsyn wrote to Soviet citizens: "Wait, you bastards! Truman will be on you! They will throw an atomic bomb on you" Gulag Archipelago. Volume 3, Chapter 2.
                    Want to look at the Americans, I use this video here:
                    Original maori haka dance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI851yJUQQw
              2. AA17
                AA17 14 December 2017 12: 11 New
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                Dear, Loess. "... the cat left the kittens - is it Putin's fault? ..." Yes, to blame. This is the share of any leader. All successes and failures are projected onto the leader.
                PS "The responsibility for everything that happens in the country always lies with the head of state, and down the rankings," said the president during an annual press conference. ... "I have never shied away from this responsibility and I’m not going to shy away," Putin added. RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/politics/20141218/1038992763.html
                1. Galina Artamonova
                  Galina Artamonova 14 December 2017 19: 44 New
                  +1
                  Once, back in Soviet times, I was left briefly the acting head of the laboratory at our research institute during his absence. The head just had no one to rely on. The representative of the plant should have arrived. The women who worked there drank tea from morning till night and ran to the shops. And I sat and worked hard - it was interesting and boring not to work. But the ladies were offended. They wanted to spit on the orders of the head since he hadn’t looked at them — they signed up for the library and disappeared from work. Do you think I should would bear all responsibility if verification came?
                  1. kotvov
                    kotvov 18 December 2017 11: 39 New
                    +1
                    it all depends on what system is built up. In your laboratory it was such that they wanted to spit. Just like in the country now.
              3. Gardamir
                Gardamir 14 December 2017 15: 57 New
                +5
                Or a cat left kittens -
                Someone is not responsible for anything.
              4. Mao
                Mao 14 December 2017 18: 40 New
                +8
                Rules in the 21st century
                Innocent man:
                18 years in power
                He is not involved in anything.
              5. lukewarm
                lukewarm 18 December 2017 09: 54 New
                +2
                Quote: Less
                The decision to open the board was taken by the Moscow City Duma, not Putin

                laughing And he was probably taken there under escort? And didn’t he open the Yeltsin Center? Stop it. Nobody takes away from the Guarantor his merits to the country and the people, but do not idealize everything that he does.
            2. Dzungar
              Dzungar 16 December 2017 16: 02 New
              +1
              Oh come on ... This is a game to the public ....
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 14 December 2017 15: 56 New
            +6
            Do you read Solzhenitsen before bed?
            Lgunitsyn is Putin's favorite writer. Was Putin calling it 2018, the year of Lgunitsyn, or again did the fifth column.?
        2. Sergey53
          Sergey53 14 December 2017 14: 34 New
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          Yeltsin and the liberal clique brought Putin to power. All these terms, he served them properly, I doubt that he will turn to face his PEOPLE.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 14 December 2017 16: 26 New
            +4
            "Some say goodbye, but don't go anywhere." Remember this phrase? But she was not about Obama at all, as it turns out. The instinct of self-preservation and the ability to lose the loot is the only thing that "torments the soul" and does not allow our officials (ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE) to calmly retire. Some have already surpassed Brezhnev in terms of being in office. Ahead - new "records". Regrettably.
          2. Dzungar
            Dzungar 16 December 2017 16: 06 New
            +1
            Stalin also came out of the cohort that made the revolution in Russia, and dreamed of a world revolution ... However, the USSR did not become fuel for this world revolution, but took a different path ....
            1. Mikhail Filippov
              Mikhail Filippov 18 December 2017 10: 23 New
              +1
              Well, why? And the social camp? Just some wanted a world revolution "here and now", while others, incl. Stalin first wanted to "build socialism in one country", and then export it to other countries
      2. Mooh
        Mooh 14 December 2017 07: 34 New
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        Do you still believe, even after the story of the Olympics? For me personally, the last straw. I will vote for some Ksyushad or Zyugashad. Not decided yet.
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        2. Vladimir Piligrimov
          Vladimir Piligrimov 16 December 2017 19: 06 New
          +2
          Russian Olympians will live in Korea on the territory of the former prison

          The International Olympic Committee rejected the complaint of the Russian Olympic Committee about the future conditions for accommodating Russian athletes who will go to the 2018 Games under a neutral flag.

          The dissatisfaction of the Russians was caused by the decision of the organizing committee of the event to settle them in the former Yong-Chaenkang prison, which in 2009 was converted into an ultra-budget hostel. In addition, the IOC allowed South Korea not to include the Russian team in the premium nutrition program, which provides for the rapid development of individual diets and daily food delivery to the apartments - Russians will have to eat in the social dining room located in the hostel building.

          As explained by the head of the IOC Organizational Affairs Department, Ivanna Cheshchik, “the Russian Olympic Committee is not in a position to demand any special conditions for its athletes.” Her position was supported by representatives of the IOC from the UK and El Salvador, who advised the Russians "to rejoice that they were generally allowed to go to the Olympics."
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 14 December 2017 08: 50 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        Although yes, what does he have to do with it? There are sands, bugs, Vasilievs, they are bad ... But he is our guardian ..

        Decent decent turns out .. thimbles, Deripaska, Sechin, Rotenberg, Kravchuk, Friedman, Michelsson and another one and a half hundred dollar billionaires.
        Article +++++
      4. Knowing
        Knowing 14 December 2017 09: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        It will help, this is not the first time for us .. The main thing is that he would stop spitting on the soul of the people ..

        Apparently you are one of those who rose sharply under Borisk, and now insulting the soul is eating that it’s not enough to grab, but ... wink
        1. 210ox
          210ox 14 December 2017 13: 49 New
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          For you and their ilk. Just like a hard worker under Borisk, he remained the same .. Look at the profile. Do not disgrace and bother apologizing. And I work honestly, and bring up the family and four children. Let’s explain everything further than your nose you don’t see anyway .. By the way, who started to steal during the fight, he is now stealing even more with Vovka ..
          Quote: Knowing
          Quote: 210ox
          It will help, this is not the first time for us .. The main thing is that he would stop spitting on the soul of the people ..

          Apparently you are one of those who rose sharply under Borisk, and now insulting the soul is eating that it’s not enough to grab, but ... wink
      5. andre
        andre 14 December 2017 13: 46 New
        +9
        That's because we are all smart. Here you manage a small enterprise (359 people), all the same garbage, there are Vasiliev and Rotenbergs. And you are a country of Russia, look at partners through a puddle, the same scheme of work. Someone is always to the right. For example, they ask me whether to hire a specialist through a friend, or from the street? Of course, through a friend, as he is automatically responsible for him. Therefore, Putin cannot be alone, because everyone strives to spit on a plate.
        1. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 15 December 2017 05: 36 New
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          Quote: andre
          Here you manage a small enterprise (359 people),

          Here I am about the same. People are sitting and discussing the President)))). Today we discussed matters at work and did one and a half times more than planned, we earned well by the whole team. Everyone is happy, I think if they sat and discussed the work of the President or GDP growth, they would go hungry))
        2. Sergey Cojocari
          Sergey Cojocari 16 December 2017 21: 21 New
          +6
          And why look through a puddle, let's look at the SECOND world economy, and how they deal with embezzlers there. A bullet in the back of the head, without a discount on what kind of relationship you are with the Prime Minister. Not nine years of deferment of sentence, but really a court, sentence, execution. This is how they become the first world economy in 50 years.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 December 2017 08: 22 New
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      Let me fix it.
      May God help the people and Russia.
    3. sa-ag
      sa-ag 14 December 2017 09: 35 New
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      Quote: Knowing
      Otherwise, why put forward for the fourth term, and ..

      To stay alive
      1. Knowing
        Knowing 14 December 2017 09: 51 New
        +5
        Quote: sa-ag
        To stay alive

        You are there "beyond the puddle" of your inadequate redhead cherish, but do not stick your nose in our affairs, yeah.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 14 December 2017 10: 00 New
          +6
          Quote: Knowing
          but don’t put your nose in our affairs, yeah.

          yeah, nobody puts anything into your personal affairs :-)
          1. Knowing
            Knowing 14 December 2017 10: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: sa-ag
            yeah, nobody puts anything into your personal affairs :-)

            As always, it is extremely clumsy and mediocre, however, this is where you have a national trait, along with stupidity. laughing
            1. sa-ag
              sa-ag 14 December 2017 13: 00 New
              +3
              Quote: Knowing
              As always, exceptionally clumsy and mediocre, however, this is your national trait there, along with stupidity

              Hamite, sir :-) how a bird flies, is especially pronounced in relation to an entire nation, I won’t say that it’s smart, really ...
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 15 December 2017 15: 59 New
      0
      Who would help the people of Russia?
  2. cedar
    cedar 14 December 2017 06: 39 New
    +6
    "But relying on the siloviki is only half. The second half is the real support of the people. The first is all right, hopefully the second ..."

    Right now, the Olympians will demonstrate in practice, and not in words, this real support of the people to Putin and his course towards national liberation. And then it will be our turn at the elections and referendum on the Constitution to show ourselves in all its glory ... And the enemies will accordingly draw conclusions ... We are strong in spirit or weak. To finish us or not, because it’s more expensive for ourselves ...
    In short, dear, get ready. It will not be boring...
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 14 December 2017 07: 48 New
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      Quote: cedar
      And then comes our turn in the election and referendum on the Constitution show yourself in all its glory ...

      And what is expected such a referendum? I overslept something in this life, probably ...
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 16: 17 New
        0
        smile Oh you ! You sleep a lot. Yes, and in the word "overslept" you made a mistake, did not replace the second letter "p" with the letter "p"
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 14 December 2017 16: 20 New
          +7
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          Oh you ! You sleep a lot. Yes, and in the word "overslept" you made a mistake, did not replace the second letter "p" with the letter "p"

          Poke to drinking companions, I didn’t care from the same bowl with you.
          You have humor - not even below the waist, but below the baseboard ...
          In short - SIT TWO laughing
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 16: 44 New
            0
            wink The level of my humor is not lower than yours.
    2. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 14 December 2017 10: 03 New
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      Quote: cedar
      In short, dear, get ready. It will not be boring...

      Yes, we have long been ready and would have been even better prepared if it were not for the treacherous comprador Russian "ilka".
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 14 December 2017 06: 48 New
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    Give authors to Terranun’s advisers next term!
    But how do we know what will happen? And the Dark One himself clearly does not fully represent what awaits him, the country and the world in the next 6 years. Too many factors began to influence the political terrarium, formed due to the independent policy of the Russian Federation and the desire of the United States to maintain the status quo. The old world order has gone to pieces, only this is obvious, but what will happen next is a huge question. In particular, how the boy Kim will behave, what he will do with his new favorite toys, and how hysterically the American authorities will respond to these pranks.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 15 December 2017 16: 06 New
      +2
      And you ask the Anglo-Saxons what they will do, and then about Kim and his toys.
      And about us - it’s up to Putin to decide how he will behave. You can become Napoleon on the Arkolsky bridge, or you can end your "labeled" life.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 14 December 2017 06: 57 New
    +4
    How closely is it (in what is connected, no doubt) with the oligarchs who may suffer losses?

    Well, very closely ... smile... some owners are encrypted ...
    Sberbank-GREF
    VTB Zadornov
    Rosseti smile
    etc.
    large oligarchs as smart people do not like to shine on their real estate and finances ... therefore, what we see in their kitchen really happens, we learn from indirect deeds and evidence.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 14 December 2017 08: 48 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      . therefore, what is really happening in their kitchen we learn from indirect deeds and evidence.

      When we find out everything, we will be ashamed that we lived like that and could allow it.
    2. AA17
      AA17 14 December 2017 10: 25 New
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      Dear, the same LEKHA. Putin can very easily protect himself "from the possibility of an oligarchic coup." 1. He takes the army out onto the street. (Yesterday, Zvezda TV news passed by in passing. Vladimir Kolokoltsev and Sergey Shoigu signed the Agreement “On Interaction and Coordination of the Activities of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation on Law Enforcement Issues”).
      2. Announces the start of the “RED COLONELS” project (approximately like in Chile) and leads the project.
      3.Nationalizes all resources. (cuts off enemy resources)
      4. Addresses the people: "... Comrades! Citizens! Brothers and sisters! Fighters of our army and navy! I appeal to you, my friends! ...."
      5. Limitation of capital withdrawal
      6. Exit from the WTO, etc ....
      101 ....
      P.S. With such actions, I will support Putin.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 14 December 2017 11: 12 New
        +9
        Quote: AA17
        . With such actions, I will support Putin

        With such actions, I am with you!
        In the meantime, no ...
        1. AA17
          AA17 14 December 2017 12: 48 New
          +2
          Dear, BecmepH
          I also haven’t ...
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 December 2017 16: 07 New
        +3
        With such actions,
        He can appeal to the people, but he won’t touch the oligarchs. I have not touched 17 years, so everything will remain on. Many actions froze on after the election and raising the retirement age and the gift of Japan to the islands ...
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 December 2017 21: 00 New
        +1
        “Nationalizes all resources” - It extracts and sells them to state-owned companies; they also pay profit taxes. "Limitation of capital withdrawal" - control is needed, but the restriction will cause a decrease in investment from abroad. “Exit from the WTO” - It will not do without negative economic consequences as it will become more difficult to trade on the foreign market.
      4. NordUral
        NordUral 15 December 2017 16: 09 New
        +2
        And you will dream so good. And it would be nice to translate such a dream into reality.
      5. Sergey Cojocari
        Sergey Cojocari 16 December 2017 21: 29 New
        +1
        Dreams, dreams ... alas, they are unrealizable.
  5. engineer
    engineer 14 December 2017 06: 59 New
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    Yeah. It is necessary to be determined. You can’t have assets, real estate, families, interests in the West and shout about Russian patriotism and national interests. Or - or, gentlemen.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 14 December 2017 08: 00 New
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      Quote: engineer
      You can’t have assets, real estate, families, interests in the West and shout about Russian patriotism and national interests. Or - or, gentlemen.

      ... either remove the cross or put on your underpants.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 December 2017 07: 17 New
    +2
    Meanwhile, under pressure from the owners, the government may come out of obedience to Putin
    Can he? The authors themselves almost below answer this
    Putin controls the power block. This is probably the only block that he really controls 100%
    On the other hand, there may be attempts at sudden gestures from the “powers that be”, at last make the GDP look around and finally decide who is in the environment who cares for Russia and who is exclusively in their pocket.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 14 December 2017 07: 53 New
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      His whole environment falls only in his pocket. Maximum under patriotic slogans.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 14 December 2017 08: 54 New
        +7
        Quote: Kent0001
        His whole environment falls only in his pocket. Maximum under patriotic slogans.
        I agree, including the power block, which now enjoys all the benefits ... the Praetorians, or there the guard in the Russian Empire of the 18th century, were also controlled by the emperors 100%, until they came to the last
  7. Kent0001
    Kent0001 14 December 2017 07: 52 New
    +5
    The main thing is that there would be no version of the "lame duck" for 6 years.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 14 December 2017 07: 57 New
    18
    Well, yes .. I can’t live a day without thinking about the people! .. In the morning I smear a sandwich - Immediately thought: what about the people? And the caviar does not go into the throat, And the compote does not pour into the mouth! At night I get up at the window And stand all night without sleep - I worry all about Rasea, How is it, poor she ... The good king issues decrees, the will of the people, and the evil "sores" conceal ... For a long time we choose the lesser of several evils ...
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 14 December 2017 09: 15 New
      +8
      Well, since the people of Putin support, judging by the rating, it is necessary to raise the retirement age - to walk, so walk!
      Confidence in Putin will allow a decision to increase the retirement age

      And then, and now in society a big request for change has formed. A leader with a high rating and high confidence of the society is going to the polls, which allows making such changes. - Commented on Gazeta.ru (https://www.gazeta.ru/business/interview/nm/s110
      20706 ..) the nomination of Vladimir Putin for the presidency of Russia, Minister of Economic Development Maxim Oreshkin. And further, answering the question of raising the retirement age, he noted. - This is a rather difficult decision that the whole society must make ... We have politicians who are trusted by the people of our country. Through this trust, the issue of making such a serious decision will be delegated.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 14 December 2017 10: 02 New
        13
        Well, since the people of Putin support, judging by the rating, it is necessary to raise the retirement age - to walk, so walk!
        ... Introduce new taxes, for example, for the air ... why waste time, let the rich get richer ... We will somehow interrupt ... We trust the president ...
  9. Serg65
    Serg65 14 December 2017 08: 03 New
    17
    What does it have to say, presidential term

    The article is a complete profanity !!! bankers will rebel! Dear authors, why didn’t the members of the Semibankirshchina rebel against them in 2002, against which the current oligarchs are so simple children?
    Coments - grandparents are sitting on a bench discussing a young neighbor ... yes she is a prostitute, yes she cannot be, but she’s just a prostitute, I tell you, your skirt doesn’t cover her knees ... and nowadays, for such a skirt .... ehhh !!!!!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 14 December 2017 09: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: Serg65
      bankers will rebel!

      Well, this does not mean that they will rebel a la Sergey Eisentstein, they will simply go under a more powerful roof, so that their capitals do not requisition
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 14 December 2017 10: 53 New
        +6
        Quote: sa-ag
        they’ll just go under a more powerful roof so that their capitals don’t requisition

        smile On the same branch of "Analytics" there is an answer to your statement under the name "Runaway thieves sets the condition for Russia to return capital" home ""
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 14 December 2017 11: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Serg65
      Dear authors, why didn’t the members of the Semibankirshchina rebel against them in 2002, against which the current oligarchs are so simple children?

      if, in 2002, the United States prepared to squeeze out all their capital, they would rebel like that - that’s the main reason, and not Putin himself
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 14 December 2017 12: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        if, in 2002, the United States prepared to squeeze out all their capital, they would rebel as

        laughing in 2002, Putin played the role of the United States! As a result, of the Yeltsin who is already gone, and those are far away!
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 December 2017 08: 18 New
    +3
    There will be active opposition to the "salvation" of capital in Russia. Moreover, this will be done extremely quickly, as soon as the movement becomes massive.
    But GDP is famous for its “asymmetric” approach. Therefore, the solution will be "unexpected and effective."
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 16: 26 New
      +4
      wink Dreams Dreams! How fresh is your charm ...
  11. Loess
    Loess 14 December 2017 08: 31 New
    +2
    The idea of ​​Americans is simple, like a Coca-Cola bank: a threat to the capital of oligarchs-friends will make them (oligarchs) go, if not to a direct confrontation, then to something like a coup. According to the Ukrainian script.
    As soon as the oligarchs go to an open confrontation, they will be crushed by the most severe option. Only an excuse is needed. And the people will support. And after the suppression of the "rebellion" of the oligarchs, the GDP can calmly remain in power for as long as it decides)
    Putin’s last term will be very difficult.
    Who said that this deadline will be the last? laughing laughing laughing
    But reliance on security forces is only half. The second half is the real support of the people. With the first, everything is in order, we hope, with the second ...
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, if anything - I'm with you) soldier
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 14 December 2017 09: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Less
      As soon as the oligarchs go into open confrontation

      historically, it was a couple of times - one is a rebellion of archers, the second is the Decembrists, in other cases it was not an open confrontation that successfully passed, starting with Peter III
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 14 December 2017 11: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: sa-ag
        historically, it was a couple of times - one is a rebellion of archers, the second is the Decembrists, in other cases it was not an open confrontation that successfully passed, starting with Peter III
        well - starting from the ascent to the throne of Elizabeth, and even earlier, when Biron was shoved
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 16: 25 New
      0
      Lass, you are already two! wink
    3. kotvov
      kotvov 18 December 2017 11: 49 New
      0
      Vladimir Vladimirovich, if anything - I'm with you) ,,
      ready to take the place of minister or oligarch?
  12. Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 December 2017 08: 42 New
    20
    Interesting! The problems of Putin and the oligarchs. But what should the people do? No, I understand. Putin went alone and annexed Crimea. The rest of the time, he is prevented from taking care of the people by oligarchs, the fifth column, the State Department, bulk, bad thought, evil Medvedev. You will not remember everyone.
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 14 December 2017 11: 00 New
      15
      Well, at least the above does not prevent Putin from taking care of the Syrian people, the Kyrgyz people, the Venezuelan people, the Cuban people, and the rest, to whom we regularly forgive debts. And any Russian for 1000 p. debt immediately turn off the gas, light and water, solely because of the above comrades ....
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        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 14 December 2017 15: 06 New
          +5
          miserable whiners
          No, we are fine. The State Department recently raised salaries by 4% for Russian officials. The BundesKol, led by the bulk, repented for our ancestors. And the fifth column said that it doesn’t mind if Russian athletes go flying under the white flag
  13. Homer_J_Simpson
    Homer_J_Simpson 14 December 2017 08: 56 New
    +2
    But why do we compare everything with Ukraine?
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 16: 30 New
      +3
      wink So there’s nothing more to compare! Everyone else is poorly poor in development, but we have zilch! And the training manual from Kremlin propagandists clearly says: send everyone to Ukraine to ride with pots!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 December 2017 21: 03 New
        0
        You really have no development - one zilch remains.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 21: 27 New
          +2
          wink Well, at least you are on "you." And then here Sergeant Petrov, intellectually like the really sergeant of the scientific company in which Turbris and some others serve, is constantly poking. I’ll explain: in our city, however, like in the region, there really is no development. But as we understand wink that the king is good and the boyars are bad, then of course, all the steam to the hoot! Vadim, my advice to you, work for money, work to the end and with a twinkle! Well, the truth is, your kamment gives the resuscitation of a city hospital.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 15 December 2017 20: 15 New
            +1
            I have my own production in the Volgograd region - any, complex, custom-made part will be made, and judging by the fact that orders grow by 20 percent or more every year, there is a more developed place in all engineering industries.
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 16 December 2017 09: 24 New
              +1
              smile And this year we had a crop of mushrooms this fall, and I think that mushrooms have spawn all over the country. Not?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 16 December 2017 09: 36 New
                +3
                Quote: andrej-shironov
                Not?

                No, I was looking, I did not find something.
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 16 December 2017 10: 02 New
                  0
                  wink But according to Vadim 327 gopher is still there!
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 16 December 2017 10: 10 New
                    +4
                    The giraffe is big. We have a millionaire, we raised more than two million on options alone, where is the beggar Ulyukaeva ... Well, the manufacturer is small. wink
                    1. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 16 December 2017 10: 16 New
                      0
                      wink On binary options probably?
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 16 December 2017 10: 34 New
                        +3
                        Something like that. I do not remember exactly. He’s a bug, in short. laughing
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 17 December 2017 16: 06 New
                  0
                  They were simply collected before you - whoever ate the first one, or earned it - as much as you like.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 17 December 2017 16: 16 New
                    +3
                    Exactly. I walked calmly, and went towards Lech. With a pack of mushrooms. I asked him: "Leh, where from?" He answered me that from the forest, of course. I went to the forest and did not find nifiga. laughing
  14. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 14 December 2017 09: 00 New
    11
    Interesting, but doubtful. And not because Putin has not enough spirit, but the point is the complete absence of those persons in and around the government.
    Well, who is to blame for this, if not Putin himself? Moreover, even now, there is the same Glazyev. If we turn to examples from history, our truly great rulers, reformers, were not afraid to displace the old elite, including appealing to ordinary people - Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Joseph Stalin
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 14 December 2017 12: 20 New
      15
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      from history, our truly great rulers, reformers, were not afraid to displace the old elite, including appealing to ordinary people - Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Joseph Stalin

      So great! And, Putin immediately put an end to this issue, for those who dream of illusions: - There will be no revision of predatory privatization! And, as you know, he does not surrender "his" ones. On the question, who is Putin’s “own”, oligarchs or people, there is no doubt that this is clearly not the people.
  15. sevtrash
    sevtrash 14 December 2017 09: 38 New
    +7
    The main criterion for the effectiveness of power is the country's economic growth and the growth of citizens' well-being. Moreover, ordinary citizens, not government officials, not oligarchs. What can be done in the future if Russia's wealth grows / grew from the West, and the country is under sanctions and in a state of virtually cold war with the Western world? Who is to blame, the standard question, could be omitted - and so it is clear. Butting bull was hardly worth Jupiter, in any case, not so demonstratively. Ukraine was actually lost before the age of 14, who had the idea that the US president could decide something without the consent of the political elite, but not there. As a result, it turned out that foreigners encroached on the most sacred thing in America - freedom, freedom of choice. About 50 billion was spent on the Sochi Olympics, which is now with the Olympic Games. Yes, 100% in other countries, athletes also use doping, it may not, but still. But this is a war, so cold. Here's the result - as a result, in a state of war, usually such an “efficiency” of government requires a change of managers.
  16. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 14 December 2017 10: 07 New
    +6
    Those close to Putin will leave ... Those close to (any last name of the future leader) will come. What is this from us? We’ll write more on the Internet? In any state, this is inevitable, because the state is the power of the haves and in no other way. And they will be satisfied and will be dissatisfied, after a period they change, etc. Classics of the genre.
  17. complete zero
    complete zero 14 December 2017 10: 29 New
    +6
    Quote: Knowing
    There will be no quiet surrender, but confrontation with the West is more severe. IMHO. Otherwise, why put forward a fourth term, but ... May the people of Russia and God help Putin.

    as well as the "Asian brothers" flooded our cities .. when the local population does NOT have a job ... well, of course Putin has "nothing to do with" ("no limits') all the damned s))) PS-not a liberal so do not call. .but not I.D.I.O., T television
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 December 2017 21: 05 New
      +1
      What they filled there - counters, maintenance staff, movers and cleaners - in fact, for free. - Yes, this is a promising work for our population.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 21: 29 New
        0
        smile Brother! Bratello! Bro! Well buy already a dictionary of synonyms !!! With a twinkle! I advised you above!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 December 2017 20: 19 New
          +1
          None of our population will go to work for such vacancies - that's gaining "gastro"
  18. complete zero
    complete zero 14 December 2017 10: 32 New
    +8
    these sugary videos (people choose Putin) -you are so sick of mouth .. do you REALLY live or television?
  19. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 14 December 2017 11: 01 New
    +1
    There is nothing left but to act as pique vests. Of course, "Put a finger in Putin’s mouth." BUT. Excitedly waiting for his press conference. After all, it will be, I hope, the program of our life for the coming years - the last years of my life. I would like to leave calmly. Most of all I am afraid that he will come up with a proposal to make peace with the West. That is, to act as a dog that is beaten, and she licks the owner’s hand. This is the main thing. If he refuses to protect our moneybags with accounts in the USA, then you can already be calm, then everything will be with us - both politics and the economy will develop.
  20. Aspid 86
    Aspid 86 14 December 2017 11: 13 New
    +1
    The power block is under control. The support of the people is a consequence of public opinion formed through the media. With this on controlled media having the majority of the target audience (voters) everything is in order.
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  22. mac789
    mac789 14 December 2017 11: 33 New
    +2
    Reliance on the power block ... Unfortunately, our law enforcement officers have done a lot to turn people away from themselves.
  23. Conductor
    Conductor 14 December 2017 11: 38 New
    +4
    Learn from Nazarbayev, he changed the constitution so many times, which is not clear and for how long the President is)))
  24. Loess
    Loess 14 December 2017 11: 43 New
    +1
    BecmepH,
    Quote: BecmepH
    Quote: Less
    Solzhenitsyn needs to be promoted from time to time, so that EVERYONE reads at least part of that nonsense called Solzhenitsyn’s work. To read and understand that such as Solzhenitsyn can not be absolutely trusted. At the time, I personally only needed one story to make up my mind about it, and in the future this opinion was only strengthened.

    We discussed Solzhenitsyn in another article. What did you say? Here we are talking about the guarantor, and you are translating the arrows. True, take off your glasses and look around ...

    Quote: BecmepH
    Quote: Less
    Brr ... Are you talking about a guarantor here? This is currently your only comment on this thread.
    We discussed Solzhenitsyn in another article. What did you say? Here we are talking about the guarantor, and you are translating the arrows. True, take off your glasses and look around ...

    Yes, you are not wearing glasses, dear. Remove the blinkers. Or you just blurt out, but in the subject, or not in the subject, it does not matter
    Judging by your comments, you have nothing to say on the merits of the issue, do I understand correctly? Otherwise, you would not have shown such concern about glasses and blinkers ... Soon, probably, you will transfer to the person? And, by the way, on the question of "to the topic or not to the topic," do you yourself read your comments, is there a lot on the topic?
  25. complete zero
    complete zero 14 December 2017 13: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: mikh-korsakov
    There is nothing left but to act as pique vests. Of course, "Put a finger in Putin’s mouth." BUT. Excitedly waiting for his press conference. After all, it will be, I hope, the program of our life for the coming years - the last years of my life. I would like to leave calmly. Most of all I am afraid that he will come up with a proposal to make peace with the West. That is, to act as a dog that is beaten, and she licks the owner’s hand. This is the main thing. If he refuses to protect our moneybags with accounts in the USA, then you can already be calm, then everything will be with us - both politics and the economy will develop.

    Do you really believe that he does NOT have any relation to these very moneybags? (This simply cannot be) ... well, HOW to leave them? .... it's just life-threatening (not that for the authorities) .. To put up with the West ? -Then you will have to give Crimea (how do you imagine this?) .. for Crimea your and my grandchildren will never be able to pay off ... so a complete wasser .. I was hoping for unification with China .. but something China is not in a hurry will unite ... so most likely there will be another blah blah in the message
    1. Mikhail Filippov
      Mikhail Filippov 14 December 2017 16: 16 New
      0
      Unification with China? What flag?)
  26. Mikhail Filippov
    Mikhail Filippov 14 December 2017 13: 24 New
    +3
    Well, I would not idealize Putin like that, because he is also an oligarch, also a man of the Yeltsin elite, a product of the Yeltsin era, so you should not separate him from the rest of the cohort of oligarchs. We go further: there are Yeltsin’s oligarchs, and there are already Putin’s oligarchs who have already enriched themselves under him and who owe their wealth to him. This is so, the lyrics. But on the topic ... look, let's say the Americans will begin to arrest bills, real estate, children, their relatives ... what will we get? And the fact that They will rally even more around Putin. Their "professional hatred" for the United States will grow into a personal one.
    Do not forget China. Russia is now trying to make friends with China. What does it mean? That they will all transfer their loot to Chinese banks. Therefore, nothing of the kind will happen. As Kuchma said there, "Ukraine is not Russia." And from this it follows that Russia is not Ukraine. We have a different alignment
  27. Santor
    Santor 14 December 2017 13: 29 New
    +2
    In 2013, by strict order of Putin, all government officials and his so-called circle withdrew ALL of their money from abroad, as well as property. Anyone who did not do this and was identified - just parted with their places and positions. And Putin and his entourage just do not care what they hang out there. Me too. Just like that, everyone forgets about what happened in 2013 on the Eve of Ukrainian events.

    I advise you to remember.
    1. Mikhail Filippov
      Mikhail Filippov 14 December 2017 13: 48 New
      +4
      I would not be so naive. There, in the USA, the son of one of the deputies was arrested for "hacker attacks." Where did this son live? Maybe this deputy had real estate. Therefore, obviously, not all. Most formalized everything through "third parties" to get around sanctions.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 14 December 2017 16: 05 New
      0
      Of course, of course, the Frenchmen arrested Kerimov - the senator, by the way! For buying villas in France
    3. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 16: 34 New
      0
      smile And I would advise you so unproven not to say so!
    4. Height
      Height 14 December 2017 21: 18 New
      0
      Willingly I believe, yap.
  28. dmitry.kashkaryow
    dmitry.kashkaryow 14 December 2017 13: 33 New
    +1
    An alarmist article claiming to be an analysis, but exaggerating the effect of thick wallets on Russian power. It certainly is, but not decisive! Putin has long shown what will happen to those who imagine themselves to be the navel of Russian land with reliance on a wallet! Enough space for them in glorious London city. There they are democratically plucked and hanged on ties in the bathroom, like the notorious Berezovsky who tried to dictate the rules of the game to Putin! And this is at a time when Putin was just coming into force. Now, people will tear up Putin for any troublemaker. Not only his native intelligence!
    1. Mikhail Filippov
      Mikhail Filippov 14 December 2017 13: 50 New
      +3
      For Putin? I don’t think so. Rather, it will observe from the side. But in the government and in business structures, the squabble will be not weak, in which case. Any change of power is a redistribution
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 December 2017 21: 07 New
        0
        "In business structures" Not a bit of a squabble - we are busy with business, we are working.
        1. Mikhail Filippov
          Mikhail Filippov 15 December 2017 15: 08 New
          +1
          Good. In oligarchic structures. In power structures
  29. roofing hedgehog
    roofing hedgehog 14 December 2017 13: 44 New
    0
    what is the argument about? this money is no longer .. from this and we must proceed, and the rest is from the evil one ... that is. escaped criminals. It is very doubtful that the thief will invest his money for the good of the people .. and about the "surrender" - this topic is intensified by the paid "" opposition "such as a horse or a heaped one.
  30. demo
    demo 14 December 2017 13: 46 New
    +3
    Oh, the writers of this opus!
    I would have your worries!
    Putin and his closest circle, long ago, all that was necessary to deduce and got rid of extra ends for which you can pull.
    Those who continued to keep the money in the reach of the US fiscal authorities and hoped for "maybe" are to blame.
    I had to think.
    These subchikov have no contacts with the real owners of the Russian Federation. For the offer to return came through an absolutely primitive figure - the Commissioner for Business and Businessmen Titov.
    Some greasy hair and a tight jacket that are worth.
    Children, grandchildren, bugs and torments living and working there, abroad - this is a cool way to influence. An example of the sons of Seleznev relevant and graphic. Who did not understand the lesson? Raise your hands!
    The power block is one thing.
    But the infection of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB with specific individuals is a fact. To counter and created Rosguard.
    And then people did not feed. So Putin has a hope that he will not be pulled out of the Kremlin in a "strange hand crooked hat, on New Year's Eve."
    And those who stand by the throne are not happy with the fact that huge amounts of money have come to the country. It destabilizes and makes you nervous.
    What do you think that in the country there are tidbits of business that no one has bored with? Not funny.
    So no one in the country needs free, not tied to types of activities.
    And again, the election. What if the electorate is outbid? Just kidding.

    Ulyukaev is a revealing and illustrative example. For all those who doubted the determination of GDP to make "not popular decisions."
    Even if completely idiotic accusations were brought under the foundation. Everything is so sewn with white thread that it’s not even funny.
    But to show - who was the boss in the house.
    And so in everything.

    We will still be the extreme and injured - citizens of the Russian Federation.
    It’s not even go to your grandmother, clearly.
  31. Tektor
    Tektor 14 December 2017 13: 58 New
    +1
    In a strange way, the decisions recently made by the West have a positive moment for us. So with the list of wealthy Pinocchio, withholding their capital in the western field of miracles. Fox Alice and Kotyara want to steal Buratin, stolen from her. Well, what will be the result? And the one in which the rich themselves will choose their own side of history: someone will choose ours and repatriate capital, well, someone will be forced to leave the territory of the Russian Federation. There will be a section on "ours" and "not ours." And we are only benefited from this, I think.
    1. Mikhail Filippov
      Mikhail Filippov 14 December 2017 14: 02 New
      0
      The Chinese side will be chosen. Our is unstable.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 December 2017 21: 09 New
        0
        I know a few people who have business in Hong Kong, they keep part of the funds there - the rest is in Russia.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 14 December 2017 16: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Tektor
      Well, someone will be forced to leave the territory of the Russian Federation.

      it is useless to leave - they will be ripped off over the hill! In order not to be torn off, we must do what the Western owners say here in Russia
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  33. Lev Bronsch
    Lev Bronsch 14 December 2017 14: 49 New
    +2
    Gentlemen, authors, ask yourself the question - what do oligarchs (any countries and nations) love and desire more than anything else? The answer is money! Nothing more! Even power for them is just a lever for greater enrichment. Petro Chocolate will not let you lie)). The second question is whether the oligarchs are smart? Absolutely yes! Yes, most likely these are absolutely immoral people. but smart.
    And that’s why smart and already rich people should “remove Putin” ??? Do they have more money? They will be allowed ???
    Understand that our and our oligarchs are well aware of the predation of both corporations-oligarchs and Western countries. Well, the east is the same - China, Japan, etc. Therefore, it is for our oligarchs that Putin is the person who personifies the rules of the game. And in fights without our rules, they will tear a hot-water bottle like an ace - at least compare economic and political opportunities !! Yes, they simply confiscate their property and finances (in any form) under the pretext of financing the intervention in the Amer election at the request of Putin! Well, that's no reason! And they will clear the way for their corporations. All!! Nothing to do!
    So based on the assumption that smart, rich and unprincipled people will want to throw away their only essentially shield and be left alone with a flock of wild predators mad with the smell of blood ??? Well, what do you think of oligarchs so badly))).
    Yes, cookies and gingerbread will promise them, and if they don’t confess, then whip it. But it seems to me that they no longer were seduced and did not surrender anyone. Otherwise, it makes no sense to publicly announce absolutely delusional sanctions, guided by the principle - Nemtsov told us that you are Putin’s friend. It’s convenient to dump everything on the deceased, maybe by the way he was eliminated for this very reason?
    One thing I’ll say, the oligarchs will act on pressure and supposedly the benefits after the overthrow of GDP will be stupid and “poor”, of course poor by their standards ....
  34. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 14 December 2017 14: 50 New
    +2
    Putin controls the power block. This is probably the only block that he really controls at 100%, unlike other ministries and departments.

    And what happens? Authors, well, at least you yourself asked this question.
    Nothing can be controlled at 100%. Especially when the world financial international is playing against you.
    Well, the reservation, "unlike other ministries and departments" is simply ridiculous.
    It would be more correct to say that Putin controls the power block more than everyone else. I understand that here the picture is not so peppy as with "100%", but at least smaller noodles.
  35. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 16: 09 New
    +2
    Inclined to disagree with the authors! Putin will not give up power. And the oligarchs, to be honest, are heavily incorporated into power structures. You understand, power will not be chopping your own hands. But the fact that hopes for only one Rosguard is weak is a fact. Happen what a more or less serious mess the Rosguard will not save but the people will not support. With such an internal policy in Russia, every Russian guard can be firmly convinced that with a probability of 70-80% he will soon have to shoot at his own people. What motivation will be chosen for themselves by the Rosguards depends on them.
    1. 16112014nk
      16112014nk 14 December 2017 16: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      the Russian guard can be firmly convinced that with a probability of 70-80% he will soon have to shoot at his own people

      They will shoot with a probability of 100%. For this they were created. If in 1961 workers were easily shot in Novocherkassk, now it’s like two fingers on asphalt.
      "In fact, the duty of the police is to protect the population from robbers, but in reality they protect only the rich. And the rich are the real robbers. They only rob us, hiding behind the laws that they themselves come up with." © N. Nosov "Dunno on the Moon" 1964
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 21: 32 New
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        smile In 1961, at least ideology united, and now even this is not. Finding motivation will be harder. They will attract psychologists and the media. Well, there is the removal of frustration and the fight against agents of the State Department.
        1. 16112014nk
          16112014nk 15 December 2017 17: 40 New
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          Most recently, in the Moscow City, during the shootout, the Rosguards defended the bandits. Well, as in Dunno on the Moon, one to one.
  36. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 14 December 2017 16: 39 New
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    ... that in 2023 (or earlier) he will have to submit ...
    In no case before. More likely in 2029.
  37. complete zero
    complete zero 14 December 2017 16: 45 New
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    Quote: Mikhail Filippov
    Unification with China? What flag?)

    under the flag, figuratively speaking (of course, not of a single territory)), let’s say the coalition in the serious sense of the word as opposed to the west and, first of all, economically .. But this does not happen, but we alone cannot stretch this too unequal power ... ( IMHO)
    1. Mikhail Filippov
      Mikhail Filippov 14 December 2017 17: 02 New
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      China is always "for the winner." He will be watching with popcorn how the United States and I are butting, and then he will more than demand from the winner for "moral support." And the winner will do everything as China says, for he will have no strength left for new battles
  38. Alsur
    Alsur 14 December 2017 16: 56 New
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    Quote: Aspid 86
    The power block is under control. The support of the people is a consequence of public opinion formed through the media. With this on controlled media having the majority of the target audience (voters) everything is in order.

    You really think, writing your comment on the top-line that the Russian media controlled by the authorities, however, as it turned out in the United States, the media sit on a chain and serve the owner, the owner may be different, but the point is the same, I will continue - the media control the target audience, the mass, as the scoop used to say? Are you the chosen one, whom propaganda does not take, and the bots of the darkest answer the topra while the masses watch TV on channel 1?
    For your development, I have a TV at home, I use it as a monitor, movies, YouTube, etc. Smart TV, set up paid channels, then the toad strangled, because I watch channels once a year, for the new year. And there are probably a lot of people like me who practically do not watch TV. The trend, however.
    And then what is your theory about the unspiritual mass who blindly believes in television? About the slavish psychology of Russians, who just did not write. Tired of reading it. But in the USA and the EU, there are no masses, everyone is there, just a lamp of freedom. It is not clear only why the legitimately elected President Trump, the elite presses as he wants. Where are the protests?
    1. Mikhail Filippov
      Mikhail Filippov 14 December 2017 17: 08 New
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      You forget that these are different countries. This is our president = king. He will bark, hit with his fist on the table and all his hand under the visor, "eat" and will run to perform "just and on time." And there, if the president tries to bark, then he will be sent to Congress to hell.
  39. samarin1969
    samarin1969 14 December 2017 18: 48 New
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    Dear authors themselves begin to get confused who controls whom: Putin’s friends or vice versa .... In any case, the American 180-day program is much more unpredictable than the 2018 election.
    It is significant that since April 2014, at all “bifurcation points”, GDP has taken the side of the oligarchs. When the barrel fell and sanctions were imposed, Putin "decided" to drop the value of the ruble 2 times and at the same time save the always-losing "business of the oligarchs with reserve money. But there was a chance for a penny to buy assets and send the "oligarchic ship" back to the "thirtieth offshore" .....
    .... In reality, now all the oligarchs hope for Surkov ... winked
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 December 2017 21: 16 New
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      “Putin” decided to “double the value of the ruble” If the value of the ruble had not been dropped twice, now we would have a budget deficit that would be at least twice as high — with all the consequences, a weak ruble is beneficial to the economy, cheap domestic products, which goes for export and expensive imports domestically.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 14 December 2017 22: 40 New
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        Quote: Vadim237
        the ruble is beneficial to the economy, cheap domestic products that are exported and expensive imports domestically

        ... Yeah, how simple it is! Let's double the "profitability" of the economy, or 4 times at once .... The consumer will endure everything!
        I do not argue, like the Norwegian krone, it was possible to lower the currency by 25-30%. At the same time, it was completely possible to legislatively close the “revenue optimization” holes, abandon expensive toys like the football championship, stop the Potemkin forums, close black and gray schemes, and conduct deoffshorization ..... But this is already politics unacceptable for the current "representative government" ... That's what this is about.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 December 2017 20: 23 New
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          The World Cup will pay back all the costs of its preparation and make a profit, and do not forget this work and materials that are produced in Russia.
          1. samarin1969
            samarin1969 15 December 2017 22: 27 New
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            Quote: Vadim237
            The World Cup will pay back all the costs of its preparation and make a profit, and do not forget this work and materials that are produced in Russia.

            .. I’m not ready to argue with you about the "domesticity" of the scoreboard and grass cover .... But he builds stadiums, for the most part - the budget, and "private investor" collects money "for drinking and sleeping" .....
            In any case, arranging a celebration of soul and body for European brawlers at the expense of the budget is beyond immorality.
  40. Height
    Height 14 December 2017 21: 45 New
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    Wow, I read and thought that these were the comments “echo of Moscow” or “radio freedom”, usually there is crying and gnashing of teeth. Search for the guilty, and only there they know who is to blame and what to do. In a discussion with him, it is difficult to prove that there is no worse enemy than yourself. I say: do not like the world, change it. And of course, in a good way, without extremes. Listen to the wise, and they say that all changes begin when you begin to change. And do not wait for the good uncle to come and give you everything.
    Well, seriously, our president is in good shape. And one more term will endure easily. Well, are minor sins? So they will be found in anyone, with interest.
  41. complete zero
    complete zero 14 December 2017 23: 08 New
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    Quote: Vadim237
    What they filled there - counters, maintenance staff, movers and cleaners - in fact, for free. - Yes, this is a promising work for our population.

    Native, you go to the center of employment (is there such a thing in the city?) - then we'll talk ... they have already taken root in Yamal and NOT in Urengoy and Nadym .. and on the peninsula (here you will tell me about the "wipers and watchmen")
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 December 2017 20: 27 New
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      Whoever studied what and who aspired to what, and so mediocrity and lazy people, will work for these vacancies for free - just let them not later complain that they are paid little.
  42. complete zero
    complete zero 14 December 2017 23: 13 New
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    Quote: Mikhail Filippov
    China is always "for the winner." He will be watching with popcorn how the United States and I are butting, and then he will more than demand from the winner for "moral support." And the winner will do everything as China says, for he will have no strength left for new battles

    Yes, we have but where to butt with the United States (except on TV) ..
  43. Drozdov
    Drozdov 15 December 2017 08: 44 New
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    forecasts are an ungrateful thing
    scenario of further events will be unpredictable
  44. Aleks1966
    Aleks1966 15 December 2017 13: 13 New
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    I think that the “darkest” is flesh from the flesh, blood from the blood of the oligarchs ruling the country, their hope and support. He will not give them a grudge. All of them - the leaders of the former Soviet republics are as follows. The political structure of the country itself has changed. We continue, by the inertia of Soviet thinking, to think of the country's leaders as guarantors of the rights and freedoms of workers. And they skillfully exploit these feelings in their personal selfish interests. For them, the country led by them is wealth given to the oligarchs-managers in their areas and spheres of the economy to manage their board. And the leaders themselves are the top managers of this entire system. The main goal is the exploitation of the labor class with minimal maintenance costs. All the partiotic movements of these top managers are designed to preserve their wealth from being captured by such predators from the other side. no more. Therefore, dear working Russians, do not expect any fundamental changes in your life. Unfortunately, the capitalist world will not allow the emergence of a new Lenin, and its (cap. Peace) collapse will occur only with the outbreak of a new world war. The process of self-destruction of mankind has already been launched and I would be happy and hope to see it with my own eyes. And then it starts all over again - and so on in a spiral. I think so.
  45. NordUral
    NordUral 15 December 2017 15: 57 New
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    It’s time for Putin to decide who he is for the people of Russia — comrade president or Mr. President. The protracted games with the electorate always end badly, as well as indulging in a completely foul environment. Pick it out.
  46. alexey.ru
    alexey.ru 15 December 2017 18: 01 New
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    Unexpected surprises in the near future should not be expected. Alternatives to Putin V.V. There’s no new term for the presidency, and then uncertainty, so we need to take care of this. I think it’s time to prepare a presidential candidate for 2024. I have a proposal for discussion as a candidate, Ramzan Kadyrov, there is no better candidate for today. Maybe in due course will appear.
  47. Thompson
    Thompson 16 December 2017 13: 39 New
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    Did I miss something?
    You all wanted CAPITALISM !!! He came.
    Ah, you did not think that you would not be an oligarch ???
    They thought that the oligarchs would think about you ???
    Stop whining !!! What we deserve is what we have!
    well today we have at least something!
    author -> author -> author- everyone knows how to analyze and state here, each though in his own way.
    Sound your personal views and sample action plans on this topic!
    What would you personally do with the oligarchs in Putin's place?
    What about their capital abroad?
    You offer a quick and tough answer in case of publication ... probably your next article will be about how cruel and treacherous Putin is! ...
    become another chatter!
  48. Thompson
    Thompson 16 December 2017 13: 43 New
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    Quote: alexey.ru
    Unexpected surprises in the near future should not be expected. Alternatives to Putin V.V. There’s no new term for the presidency, and then uncertainty, so we need to take care of this. I think it’s time to prepare a presidential candidate for 2024. I have a proposal for discussion as a candidate, Ramzan Kadyrov, there is no better candidate for today. Maybe in due course will appear.

    Well, why is Trump, for example, Kim Jong ..., Macron, oh yes, also Erdogan.
    By the way, why not Aleksey.ru ??? Most weak?
    1. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 16 December 2017 14: 23 New
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      Get fucked up! Stalin even studied in a theological seminary, and Ramzan comprehended his universities in the mountains, fighting with the Russians. As they wrote there, “Ramzan killed his first Russian at the age of 14” ...
  49. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 16 December 2017 14: 18 New
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    Putin has nothing to offer Russia. The great empire is not built by oligarchs, they can only plunder it. I do not believe in the unity of Shuvalov and the teacher from Uryupinsk or Sechin and the fisherman from Primorye. For one eats in three hari, and the other does not always have the opportunity to dine. No, these will be lost years for Russia.
  50. Dzungar
    Dzungar 16 December 2017 16: 09 New
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    Quote: 210ox
    By the way, who started to steal during the fight, he now steals even more under Vovka ..

    Khodorkovsky for example, yes ...? Berezovsky ... Smolensky ... Yes ...? Many of them are now sitting in London .... Think what you write