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New military doctrine: Kazakhstan learned the lesson of Ukraine - expert

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In the new military doctrine, the Kazakhstani specialized bodies focused on maintaining internal order. According to some Western experts, this arrangement of accents is inspired by the events in Ukraine, reports eurasianet.org.


Who is the enemy?
In late September, Kazakhstan adopted the fifth military doctrine since independence. The document reflects shifts in strategy, apparently at least partially aimed at eliminating the potential threat from a neighbor and ally of Kazakhstan - Russia, although analysts close to the government of Kazakhstan argue that the actions of the West pose the greatest danger to the sovereignty of the country.

The carefully formulated document states that it is the product of an expert analysis of the military-political situation in the world and the “changing nature of military conflicts”.

Some provisions of the doctrine allow freedom to interpret who the enemy is and what is a threat. In particular,
the list of main threats means “strengthening the confrontation between world and regional powers in an attempt to change the existing world order”
According to Georgy Dubovtsev, an expert on military issues at the Kazakhstan Institute of Strategic Studies (KISR) under the President of Kazakhstan, it is clear that the document reflects the experience of such countries as Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria, which have become arenas of mediated wars. Dubovtsev also notes that Russia did not initiate unrest in any of these countries, all problems were caused by Western governments operating under the slogans of “promoting democracy” and “fighting tyranny”.

"Hybrid Wars"
But there are clear indications that some new aspects of the Kazakh military doctrine appeared in response to completely different threats. Unlike the 2011 doctrine of the year, Kazakh military strategists are now preoccupied with the possibility of applying “hybrid methods”. Also mentioned is the threat of “encouraging and escalating armed conflict on the borders of the Republic of Kazakhstan”.
New Kazakh military doctrine is clearly connected with Ukraine
It is very similar to the doctrine of Belarus adopted in 2016, but Minsk more openly pointed out the lessons learned from the events in Ukraine, ”said Deirdre Tynan, director of the Central Asia project in the International Crisis Group organization.

After the “euromaidan”, which led to the overthrow of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in 2014, who tried to play a strategic double game in foreign policy, but on the whole was more inclined towards Russia, the Kremlin annexed the Crimean peninsula. “Capture of the Crimea” took place without bloodshed, but in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in the east of Ukraine there was a completely different situation. The separatist movements, according to most observers, “received powerful reinforcements in the form of a huge number of weapons and secretly introduced Russian troops. " Bloodshed continues to this day.
New military doctrine: Kazakhstan learned the lesson of Ukraine - expert

Allies or "time game"?
Although these events worried Kazakhstan, it formally remains a firm ally of the Kremlin. But, according to political commentator Ruslan Zhangazy, Astana could thus simply try to gain time.

“We showed caution and did not accept our [new military doctrine] immediately after the Russian military aggression, that is, during the period of the most acute conflict. We waited until attempts were made to achieve a peaceful settlement of the conflict, ”Zhangazy said.

In the 2014 year, when Astana was already concerned about the fate of the Crimea, Russian President Vladimir Putin added fuel to the fire, calling Kazakhstan "a territory in which there was never a state." “The Kazakhs never had statehood. He (Nursultan Nazarbayev) created it, ”Putin said. Many have taken this statement as a warning to Kazakhstan not to show too much diplomatic independence.
The words of the Russian leader have caused a wave of nationalist rhetoric in Kazakhstan and increased efforts to raise the status of the Kazakh language,
also fueled by the demographic situation in the northern regions of the country, where it is believed that the risk of separatism is highest.

"Demographics as a trump card"
According to state statistics, in Petropavlovsk, the administrative center of North Kazakhstan region, the share of ethnic Kazakhs is only 27,6%. In Kostanay, this figure reaches 37,5%. In Oskemen, the capital of East Kazakhstan region - 40,6%, and in Pavlodar - 44,5%. In the industrial cities in the north and east of the country, including Rudny, Lisakovsk and Ridder, the share of Kazakhs is 28,4%, 24,8% and 13,9%, respectively.
But the composition of the population of Kazakhstan is undergoing significant changes.
On the one hand, the growing rate of external migration is primarily due to the departure of ethnic Russians in historical homeland. At the same time, the government of Kazakhstan is actively resettling ethnic Kazakhs from the southern regions to the north. The stated goal of such a policy is to get rid of surplus labor in the south and support the economic potential of the north. Those wishing to relocate are offered privileges and mortgages on favorable terms.

Demographics may be the strongest card in the deck of Kazakhstan, since, although the country's strategic positions are changing, the country's military spending is in an anemic state.

Just a safety net
According to the analytical center Ranking.kz, in 2016, the defense budget of Kazakhstan decreased by 3% compared with the previous year. And this is despite the fact that the budget is calculated in tenge, the rate of which has fallen sharply over the past two years. Moreover, as reported by Ranking.kz in February, defense spending last year amounted to 440 billion tenge (1,3 billion dollars at the current exchange rate), and this year will fall to 408 billion tenge (1,2 billion dollars).

At the same time - which is perhaps very important -
law enforcement budget increased from 453 billion tenge (1,37 billion dollars) in 2016 year to 482 billion tenge (1,5 billion dollars) in 2017 year
In other words, the general trend indicates a departure from conventional defense and the prioritization of internal order.

In general, Kazakhstan cannot turn its back on Russia and is still closely associated with its northern neighbor in economic terms, as well as in terms of security. Against this background, the adoption of a more defensive military doctrine is more like a safety net, rather than a radical change in course.

“Kazakhstan is a member of the CSTO, maintaining a high level of cooperation with Russia through the CSTO and on a bilateral basis,” said Tynan. “By strengthening relations, Astana hopes that these agreements will keep Russia in check and position Kazakhstan as an equal partner, not like Ukraine.”
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  1. solzh
    solzh 14 December 2017 15: 33 New
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    partially aimed at eliminating the potential threat from the neighbor and ally of Kazakhstan - Russia

    Lived, now, in the wake of Ukraine, Kazakhstan. Madhouse. Another artificially created, possible conflict in the future.
    “Kazakhs have never had statehood. He (Nursultan Nazarbayev) created it, ”Putin said.

    Well, yes, the guarantor is right. There was no such state as Kazakhstan.
    1. avt
      avt 14 December 2017 16: 57 New
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      Quote: solzh
      Another artificially created, possible conflict in the future.

      request There are two points that I recommend keeping in mind to all those who are divided by percentage in the article in
      "Demographics as a trump card"
      The first is Kazakhstan an independent state and any kind of “brotherly fraternity”, “Eurasianism,” and the other CSTO rubbish with “unified air defense” is better not to be taken seriously; The second - in spite of official bilingualism in Kazakhstan, one should not relax - local national elites they build their state solely on opposing the imperial past as an oppressed outskirts. Otherwise, it’s just stupidly impossible to justify the collapse of the USSR. So I recommend, just in case, to take care of a reserve base station with the study of withdrawal to it in the event of a possible aggravation of the situation. a change of ruler is very possible, especially if the applicants do not want to have a guarantor of the transfer of power to Russia, it is very significant. It is very tempting to get even with the US for Surya not only in the Donbass.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 14 December 2017 17: 05 New
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        “Kazakhstan is a member of the CSTO, maintaining a high level of cooperation with Russia through the CSTO and on a bilateral basis,” said Tynan. “By strengthening relations, Astana hopes that these agreements will keep Russia in check and position Kazakhstan as an equal partner, not like Ukraine.”
        Rave! Compare in a similar way the relations of Russia with Kazakhstan and Russia with Ukraine and put them on one board means only one thing - that Kazakhstan in relations with Russia is moving in the same way that Ukrainian nationalists in Ukraine in relation to Russians and Russia. One strategy, different tactics, but very similar and improved, starting with the replacement of the Cyrillic alphabet in the Kazakh script.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 14 December 2017 17: 30 New
          +2
          Tatyana, do you know about this “Int. Crisis. Group” with headquarters in Brussels? Because of such materials, VO was cut off in the Republic of Kazakhstan. hi
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 14 December 2017 17: 33 New
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            Kasym
            Because of such materials, VO was cut off in the Republic of Kazakhstan.

            Which ones? And what is wrong with “VO”, if all this is exactly what is happening in Kazakhstan?
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 14 December 2017 17: 57 New
              +9
              Have you been here?
              In Latin. Before moving on to it, they strengthened the role of the Russian. Draw your own conclusions:
              1. Regardless of the language of instruction in all schools, teaching Russian and Kazakh is compulsory. in full. The same number of hours. Even in Ukrainian, Uzbek, Tajik, Uighur schools on the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan - yes, there are even such schools.
              2. The Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan (go to the site and understand what kind of organization) will not miss a single law aimed at undermining the interethnic. consent. She ratifies and examines all the laws that are passed. For example, in the Republic of Kazakhstan an official for insulting the nat. religion and ethnicity. the sign is threatened with a term, at least they will be removed from work without the right to work in state. structures. Ukraine and Kazakhstan in this regard, like heaven and earth. Parties and organizations are prohibited by law, rel., Nat. featured. Such as Yarosh or Tyagnibok will not stay in freedom in the Republic of Kazakhstan.
              3. Trilingualism is promoted. My two oldest daughters (already graduated from high school) are fluent in English.
              Tatyana, instead of covering a military topic (for example, arm. Exercises in the Republic of Kazakhstan) write such nonsense. Therefore, you have such an impression of the Republic of Kazakhstan. There are already 4 articles about the Latin alphabet, but at the same time there were teachings and other news about our army, but VO do not publish them (maybe they don’t know). Many Kazakhstanis on the site noticed this and warned the body. site, but did not listen.
              Please name the unfriendly steps towards Russia from the Republic of Kazakhstan. Especially from officials. I understand the hand-in site, which hit the sensations and "hot" topics.
              Or somehow a couple of months. back there was an article by a psychiatrist who wrote that the police would provide themselves through paid calls, etc. .. Well, nonsense. Why does VO publish this to arrange srach? hi
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 14 December 2017 18: 42 New
                +5
                Tatyana, I will name the friendly steps of Kazakhstan during the Ukrainian crisis. Draw your own conclusions:
                1. After the devaluation of the ruble, we kept the course for about a year. Thus, one annual budget went to Russia. Over 40 billion dollars.
                2. Kazmunaigas allocated Gazprom a commodity loan to Gazprom in the amount of 10 billion.
                3. The only oil pipeline of Kazakhstan in China was given to Rosneft.
                4. Now you can already pump gas to China through our pipelines. Recently (a couple of months ago) a branch was built from the west. Kazakhstan to our gas pipelines in China. An offer has been made to Gazprom. We have three gas branches in China, 55 billion cubic meters per year. But our gas is there ... no !!! There, Uzbeks and Turkmens were given power.
                5. We approved the supply of oil to Uzbekistan from ... Russia, we are also ready to build capacities. The oil, gas, uranium and coal themselves were inundated, but you yourself see the policy of ANAS.
                This is just what immediately came to mind. hi
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 14 December 2017 22: 33 New
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                  Kasym! First of all, thank you for the information! I will definitely work with her!
                  And secondly, I read not only "VO", but also look through articles all over the Russian-speaking Internet. VO is no exception.
                  instead of covering a military topic (for example, arm. exercises in the Republic of Kazakhstan) they write such nonsense. Therefore, you have such an impression of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
                  Kasym, here you are not quite right. Each soldier must not only blindly follow the orders of the commanders, but also must understand what he is fighting for and what is right.
                  But it is better not to "joke" with languages ​​under capitalism! I will explain why.
                  -----
                  V.I. Lenin taught that every national question must always be resolved precisely from class positions. This also applies to the CIS countries.
                  V.I. Lenin pointed out (and historical practice has confirmed the correctness of his assertion) that the fanning of their national issues is always an attribute - an integral property - of the class struggle of the national bourgeoisie, its individual representatives for their private property, for their personal superprofits, for their personal capital, for the markets for its products - for its economic dominance, for its personal political power. And a considerable role in this regard is played by the artificial imposition on other peoples of their national language.
                  Thanks to the imposition of its national language on other nations, the whole nationalizing nation is automatically drawn into the struggle of the national bourgeoisie for its national sovereignty at the irrational, subconscious level. At the same time, the separatist movement of the nationalizing nation in a multinational state assumes an asocial character.
                  Thus, the fanning of nationalism, no matter what particular forms it manifests, ultimately turns into a struggle of the nationalizing nation as a whole. That is, this is an attempt by representatives of a given nationality to enrich themselves at someone else’s expense, at the expense of representatives of other nationalities, excluding them from equal participation in the shared section of the aggregate multinational public property in the country, and primarily on the means of production and land, thereby reducing the number of people involved in the section. Swollen bourgeois nationalism is disgusting because it is essentially a policy of robbery by one people of all other peoples. And an extremely radical asocial manifestation of this nationalism is racism, accompanied by the apartheid regime.
                  Where did the bourgeoisie come from in the former Soviet republics? Its appearance is the result of its conscious cultivation by the authorities during the Gorbachev reforms aimed at the total, including criminal, capitalization of the USSR in accordance with the pro-American, pro-Western colonial course of the social-democratic pro-Western economy, approved by the USA and the IMF.
                  Practice has shown that as a result of gaining national sovereignty under the conditions of total capitalization of the USSR at the stage of initial accumulation of capital in the former Soviet Union national republics, the apartheid regime is established with historical regularity. Kazakhstan will not fall out of this pattern.
                  By analogy with Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, etc. Kazakhstan, after all, will be a state with an apartheid regime with respect to Russians and Russian speakers. A state engaged in the illegal sale of weapons to the nearest hot spots of the CIS countries, in the industrial plunder of the Russian Federation and other lawlessness.
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 15 December 2017 21: 30 New
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                    Tatyana, MY opinion in Latin. There are 6 Turkic states in the world. Of these, Turkey, Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan have Latin letters - more than 110 million; others; Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan have Cyrillic - 25 million people (less than 10 million).
                    NAS is known for integration matters - make a conclusion now yourself. He most likely wants the Turks to be in the same inf. field and wants some kind of cooperation m \ them.
                    This process will stretch to the end of this century. This is not a small way. Maybe everything will change in this regard. hi
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym 15 December 2017 21: 51 New
                      +2
                      Tatyana, I can only guess why VO was closed. But I assure you, this is simply not done. By the way, the same ANC (assembly. People’s. Kaz.) Monitors the information field - there are too many interested to rock the situation in multinational. state-ve (130 diasporas sit in the ANC, it has 9 seats in parliament - 2 seats forever for Russian and Kazakh communities, the rest rotate for 2 years - in a word, all diasporas will go through parliament). We are well aware that the National Academy of Sciences requires our mayors and governors to help strengthen the position of the ANC in Kazakhstan.
                      By the way, the "Russian community of Kazakhstan" in Almaty is located in the former building of the Small Arena of the Central Stadium. These organizations are the only authorized public organizations. on a national basis. hi
                2. EnGenius
                  EnGenius 15 December 2017 00: 05 New
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                  The situation in Kazakhstan and Russia is strategically symmetrical with the situation in Ukraine and the EU. But the approaches to the solution are different. You need to understand that the main agenda is formed by the Nazis and nationalists. This is not the same thing. Some are baked only for their wallets, the second exclusively for the existence of their own kind. That Russia is for Ukraine, that for Kazakhstan it looks like a scarecrow, having financial capital and a Russian-speaking population on “foreign territory” it poses a potential danger to both elites and nationalists. On the other hand, they have China and the EU with barricades, with which only half the problem exists - with the Nazis, who can also be affiliated, while the nationalists also want to be controlled by their Nazis, and not by strangers. It’s just that Kazakhstan in Russia also rests on its “aim” because no one can reliably predict the deterioration of the situation, and it is possible to Ukrainize the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine, but in Kazakhstan it can’t be done ...
                3. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 01: 26 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Tatyana, I will name the friendly steps of Kazakhstan during the Ukrainian crisis

                  This is not friendly steps, it is called nothing but business! So that the Kazakhs do something at a loss to themselves? I beg of you)))
                  You point say: Kazakhstan recognized Crimea as Russian?
                  1. ukoft
                    ukoft 15 December 2017 19: 12 New
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                    why should he admit it? on what basis? because what do you want so much?
                    no one does anything to anyone out of kindness. including Russia
                    1. AllXVahhaB
                      AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 20: 59 New
                      +2
                      Well then, there’s nothing to broadcast about mythical "friendly steps." And he does everything as he wants a completely different state wink
                      1. Kasym
                        Kasym 15 December 2017 23: 23 New
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                        Alexander, you now look like TsIMBALYUK during the conference. laughing Not ham, man, and fingers do not need a fan - quickly break off.
                        Have arguments against what they wrote to you.
                        As for the recognition of the Crimea, etc. .. You should be reminded of who rushed to establish relations after the downed Peshkov plane (he is not an outsider for us - take an interest). Now they are saying that the Turks are on the verge of leaving NATO, at least relations with them have deteriorated. If we recognize these territories, then in negotiations with opponents we will not be able to be intermediaries, as in the Astana format. Learn to put yourself in the place of your opponent.
                        I don’t understand where this attitude to the CSTO, SCO, EAEU allies comes from.
                      2. ukoft
                        ukoft 16 December 2017 08: 41 New
                        0
                        mythical friendship steps are that:
                        - Russia squeezed out so accidentally a part of the CPC shares, having thrown Kazakhstan
                        - when dividing the bottom of the northern Caspian, it turned out that the disputed deposits where there is oil remained in Russia and the dummies in Kazakhstan.
                        - that, when trying to pursue a policy favorable for Kazakhstan on the processing of nuclear fuel, the head of the Kazatomprom felts are in prison, the felts heart suddenly stops.
                        - how much profit is made by Russia in transit to and with rk it is generally better to keep silent.

                        By the way, from Kazakhstan annually in the Russian Federation billions of dollars are transferred by residents to support their fellow tribesmen. it is the only country in the cis that basically sends dei to russia.

                        and recognition of the illegal squeezing of Crimea is not a sign of friendship. if your neighbor or friend takes something from another neighbor or friend, do you recognize this as fair?
                4. askme
                  askme 15 December 2017 02: 27 New
                  +2
                  Do not pay attention to inciting discord between the Communists of Russia and Kazakhstan. Their minority, though it smells bad. They sow discord in Russia itself, intolerance of opponents profess, as befits believers in K. Marx, etc. This is a burp of the past. I think that this is the last election, where they play some role, for the next it will be obvious freak-marginals. Stubborn. Only the left will remain in some kind of light form. In Russia, they treat Kazakhstan normally, as in Kazakhstan they treat Russia. Generally. So it will be in the future.
                  1. odometer
                    odometer 15 December 2017 04: 36 New
                    +1
                    I support. And the chatter of the pseudo-communists, weathercocks and chameleons who betrayed their idea - this is so, "rustling", against the background of pluralism of opinions.
                  2. AllXVahhaB
                    AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 18: 17 New
                    +1
                    Quote: askme
                    Do not pay attention to inciting discord between the Communists of Russia and Kazakhstan.

                    You, apparently due to age, what the International does not know at all ...
                5. Popovich
                  Popovich 15 December 2017 21: 05 New
                  0
                  Kasymim in Tan ... pasting on the training manual ...
              2. EnGenius
                EnGenius 15 December 2017 00: 27 New
                +1
                Here honestly about the Latin alphabet, it’s like they threw a bone to the nationalists. Given the timing and allocated money, Kazakhstan will not see real results. It’s like a donkey launched into space with a cart - only dust in the eyes. Perhaps Nazarbayev is trying to smooth out this issue for the transitional period, and then they will see the first results, rather they will abandon the idea. In general, Nazarbayev is great, even against the background of Lukashenko and Putin.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 15 December 2017 21: 32 New
                  +1
                  See my comment above in Latin. hi
                  1. avt
                    avt 15 December 2017 23: 01 New
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                    Quote: Kasym
                    See my comment above in Latin.

                    hi Well, the fact that the Yelbasy is buggy with pan-Turkism is not a secret. We have been discussing this topic for several years. Here we are ill with pan-Slavism, but your campaign will be hunted by your own head bully , free-will. I will only repeat what I spoke about before -Sokil the Bosphorus never builds Pan-Turkism, especially since he is an ethnic Georgian bully . He is building a neo-Ottoman empire and, moreover, now he wants to become the head of the Sunni world. Do you want to have his Latin letters on the premises? Wellcome that hell and nowhere else. Here on the branch you were correctly indicated
                    Quote: AllXVahhaB
                    The point is not the number of hours of learning the language itself, but the language in which the remaining subjects are taught !!!

                    That is, when transferring, you will get a herd of illiterate sheep in the mass, individual units do not count, when liquidating the remains of the Soviet educational school, you don’t have enough money and specialists and time to create a new EDUCATION SYSTEM on this pseudo-Latin alphabet. In principle, aim this new well - the soul will be warmed by the elevation above the crowd. But where will you get people to train qualified personnel? Let me guess .... but I’ll just remember how I was broadcasting it on the site of Marek Rozny here - We will pay 2 slanting $ for Russians and they will build Kazakhstan for us as a space power! bully Well - pay, buy Yuzhmash with staff. And here you can’t - the same Chinese ALREADY outbid ,, Antonov "and" Motor Sich "and they are building a city for 2 thousand families. Even the DPRK made a fuss and screwed P -18 with all the giblets - production technology and tyrannized USov to liquid diarrhea. And you there .... go to the Latin alphabet in the hope of future nishtyaks ... pan-Turkism bully However, as I said, your case is independent.
                2. ukoft
                  ukoft 16 December 2017 08: 44 New
                  0
                  to Lukashenko eu as to the moon on foot. just look at everyday life in Belarus and Kazakhstan. the same grassroots corruption.
                  and imagine if Lukoshenko had oil? I tell you, as if the second emirates would do.
                  and Putin is the same as a politician Nazarbayev. poor housekeeper, conformist.
              3. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 01: 18 New
                +4
                Quote: Kasym
                1. Regardless of the language of instruction in all schools, teaching Russian and Kazakh is compulsory. in full. The same number of hours.

                You already wrote this nonsense! It's not about the number of hours of study. of language, and in what language are taught rest items !!!
                Give the dynamics of the ratio of the number of Russian and Kazakh schools, say, over the past 10 years!
                Quote: Kasym
                Yes, there are even such schools.

                How much?
                Quote: Kasym
                write such nonsense. Therefore, you get such an impression of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

                For example, I was born and lived for 20 years in Semipalatinsk (which suddenly turned into Families), then periodically went. Last time last year I stayed for 3 months (entered into inheritance rights), my impressions also depend on the articles?
                Quote: Kasym
                Please name the unfriendly steps towards Russia from the Republic of Kazakhstan.

                At the state level, for example, renaming, historically, Russian cities by Kazakh names. The transition to the Latin alphabet is a break in cultural ties. At the household level, for example, when selling real estate, Russian citizens pay a higher tax than Kazakhstanis (this is from personal experience)
                1. odometer
                  odometer 15 December 2017 04: 41 New
                  +1
                  Demagogy. Perhaps it is better to recall the problems of obtaining Russian citizenship by ethnic Russians from Kazakhstan?
                  1. AllXVahhaB
                    AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 18: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: curvimeter
                    Demagogy. Perhaps it is better to recall the problems of obtaining Russian citizenship by ethnic Russians from Kazakhstan?

                    I am an ethnic Russian from Kazakhstan, I came, wrote a statement, handed over all the necessary documents, a month later I received a passport. What problems?
                2. Kasym
                  Kasym 15 December 2017 22: 00 New
                  +2
                  I do not agree. Sorry. How are you going to keep the main subjects in Russian in the Kazakh or Tajik aul? Rave!!! I myself am a teacher. Slavs are about 30%, and 50% of Russian schools in the Republic of Kazakhstan are voiced by the National Academy of Sciences and are not questioned based on personal experience.
                  Our land has its own heroes and its own story. Do you know anything about Bogenbai Batyr or Ablayhan? They deserve to have monuments on this earth - remember your Minin and Pozharsky. Have you forgotten them - why should my people forget similar deeds !? About the Latin alphabet, see my koment., Which I left TATIAN. hi
                  Kazakhs coming from villages to cities within a couple of years begin to speak Russian reasonably well - that’s why you need to give Russian intensively in order to know basic things.
          2. odometer
            odometer 15 December 2017 04: 18 New
            +1
            Access to the site is free, no one chopped off anything.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 15 December 2017 22: 11 New
              +1
              Do not cheat people on the site. Where are hundreds of our countrymen on the site - ask a question ?! hi
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 15 December 2017 22: 37 New
                +1
                You have a blocked IP address. hi
              2. odometer
                odometer 16 December 2017 06: 30 New
                0
                I freely go to the site from any search engine and directly to the site without any problems. I guess I have a special tolerance or a magic laptop ... wink
                1. Zalym
                  Zalym 19 December 2017 12: 19 New
                  0
                  Website in Kazakhstan blocked since November
                  1. odometer
                    odometer 20 December 2017 03: 30 New
                    0
                    Not true. I go in freely.
                    1. Zalym
                      Zalym 26 December 2017 20: 17 New
                      0
                      I don’t know how you log in freely, I log in with the proxy. Kasym too. Swamps, semurg and other countrymen have disappeared
      2. the most important
        the most important 14 December 2017 23: 02 New
        +5
        Quote: avt
        The first is Kazakhstan, an independent state

        Kazakhstan is a temporarily independent state .... And it would not be desirable for local elites to consider themselves Shahs and Hanami, but the fate of Kazakhstan is either to dissolve in China with complete assimilation (or worse), or reunite with Russia and save the Kazakh nation. He has no third way. The world is cruel. Huge habitable territories cannot be long empty and without a strong rear they will be captured. Mongolia has the same fate in the relatively near future. If there is already such a battle over rocks in the ocean (Spratly archipelago), then China will take up such “wealth” by itself. And the faster the local elites realize this, the better for the peoples of these countries. Unfortunately, the history of my country shows that the "elite" do not give a damn about the people.
        1. avt
          avt 14 December 2017 23: 19 New
          +5
          Quote: the most important
          Kazakhstan is a temporarily independent state ....

          request We are all guests on this Earth, time limited.
          Quote: the most important
          And as if the local elites did not want to consider themselves Shahs of the Hanami,

          And ..... that’s exactly what they consider themselves to be! As well as ours ..... everyone slowly but surely recognized themselves as nobles from the noble assembly of the Proletarsky district. I’m not talking about this, I mean that in the short term the likelihood of ARTIFICially fanning the struggle for the inheritance of ANAS and the possibility of becoming the next messenger of God - spruces on the head of Kazakhs between clans rubbing on the legs of the National Academy of Sciences. When they quietly, under the guarantee of recognition as legitimate from the GDP, they will not agree, as was the case with the neighbors, warmed up by the US (and to deny that they have worked out the technologies is stupid and only their own mind to humiliate) they can take out the bulldog’s fight under the carpet, as we had in 1993 and most recently on the Ruin in 2013. That's where the Islamic factor and specific militants with real (not that the Barkashovites in Moscow in 1993) fighting experience will not just go in slippers, as it was in Kyrgyzstan under Akayev in front of a colored one (actually it was a false start), but they will be REALLY INVITED by the group that will lose! And to them - the great, ancient and, in their opinion, smart from them (Well, really - how can they not be so reasonable with such money? bully ) it will seem that they are so cleverly using all of them and themselves have come up with. Then there the bloody carousel spins cleaner Ruins! Surya is in memory of you, Libya. Well, what, what, and the experience of the Ferghana Valley and the Tajik civil war have shown it in vain - cutting everyone in a row will be fun and easy. And first of all, foreigners of different non-title ones, then themselves.
        2. EnGenius
          EnGenius 15 December 2017 00: 37 New
          +2
          Write nonsense. Mongolia helped - and China could not include them in its composition and Japan could not. Kazakhstan will also be helped a little and neither Russia nor China will capture them. What can not be said about the corrupt Nazelite. All are ready to buy these. In Ukraine, they sold themselves to the West for the preservation of part of their stolen capital, simply Russia would not have protected them and left them at the helm. In Kazakhstan, the same question - but so far the republic is stable more or less economically.


          It’s just that tomorrow there may be a nationalist upsurge, that it is because of Russia that they live poorly in Kazakhstan, that they must live in the UAE as they are, and Russia and China are robbing them! After all, this has already been rocked - they will continue to rock. And when the police beat them once, a spontaneous Maidan will begin, to which the Nulands will take the liver.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 15 December 2017 22: 17 New
            +2
            You know our story badly. Purely my point of view. If not for the nomads of Manchuria, Mongolia, Altai, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, XUAR, etc. It is not known how the fate of Russia would have developed. We do not have a panic fear of the Chinese. We have changed the dynasties there over the past thousand years. Only the Ming dynasty (lasted less than a century) was purely Chinese over the past thousand years. And of course, after the Second World War and the Chinese Civil War, they took power in China. hi
      3. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 14 December 2017 23: 35 New
        0
        avt I recommend, just in case, to take care of a reserve base station with the study of withdrawal to it in case of a possible aggravation of the situation.

        Don’t worry, comrade .... The Party and the Government are no dumber than you .....
        We built the Vostochny Cosmodrome (having a long-term lease of Baikonur, many Russian specialists of which have already moved to the new Russian cosmodrome), the Russian Federation returned part of the military training ranges from Kazakhstan to the rental property ....
        Sooner or later, northern Kazakhstan will again become the territory of the Russian Federation ....
        1. odometer
          odometer 15 December 2017 04: 48 New
          0
          Right. "And Mars will bloom apple trees." Not enough of its territory, which by no means turns out to give a mind?
          1. MOSKVITYANIN
            MOSKVITYANIN 15 December 2017 07: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: curvimeter
            Not enough of its territory, which doesn’t work out well crazy to give?

            Not finished phrase, I wanted to say something laughing ?
            1. odometer
              odometer 15 December 2017 08: 11 New
              0
              Why does Russia need northern Kazakhstan? So understandable?
              1. MOSKVITYANIN
                MOSKVITYANIN 15 December 2017 19: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: curvimeter
                Why does Russia need northern Kazakhstan? So understandable?

                And why the Russian Federation Left-Bank Ukraine, New Russia, Little Russia .....? Trust d ...... y x ... glass or break or lose ....
          2. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 21: 21 New
            0
            Quote: curvimeter
            Right. "And Mars will bloom apple trees." Not enough of its territory, which by no means turns out to give a mind?

            Well, that’s probably why I was offered a code to rent an apartment for 50000 tenge per month, I said that these pennies didn’t bother me, many of those present were indignant - they have such a salary. The case in Semsk was. So much you gave your mind territory)))
            1. odometer
              odometer 16 December 2017 06: 41 New
              0
              "Who about what, and naked about the bath." Russia’s land has at least been “blown away” by it, we’re talking about it, and you answer in the style of “yourself do ** k”
              1. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 19 December 2017 17: 43 New
                0
                Quote: curvimeter
                "Who about what, and naked about the bath." Russia’s land has at least been “blown away” by it, we’re talking about it, and you answer in the style of “yourself do ** k”

                And I, just the same, not about the earth, but about people living on this earth!
      4. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 01: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: avt
        especially if applicants

        There are no special applicants, they have been led for a long time. So as soon as Elbasy doesn’t begin to be cut by each other, the power will ...
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 15 December 2017 22: 26 New
          +2
          Absolutely stupid comment. It is one and the same thing that Muscovites will slaughter Pskov, Novgorod Russians. Well this is complete nonsense. Our Khans were chosen, not inherited. We have our own democracy, based on Steppe law, was the oldest democracy on Earth. hi
      5. Siban
        15 December 2017 20: 27 New
        0
        Quote: avt
        The first is
        In principle, it’s correct, but here in these - ,, fraternal brotherhood "," Eurasianism ", and other CSTO rubbish with s," unified air defense " - there is a symbolic meaning.
        Quote: avt
        local national elites build their state solely on opposing the imperial past as an oppressed outskirts. Otherwise, it is simply stupidly impossible to justify the collapse of the USSR.
        "Old man, leave empty bullshit .." Yes, YOUR state is being built, but not on any opposition .. In the end, the elite are themselves from the "imperial past" .. But the rationale is simple - the Russians destroyed the USSR ...
        Quote: avt
        take care of a reserve base point with a study of the departure to it in the event of a possible exacerbation
        "Quiet Ukrainian night, but the fat is better to hide .."
        You should always have a backup plan ..
        Quote: avt
        It is already very tempting to get even US-s for Russia for Suria not only in the Donbass
        "Quietly rustling with slate, the roof goes slowly!" laughing fool Grandfather with NAS of the same age? Also senile .. repeat
        1. avt
          avt 15 December 2017 23: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Siban
          Yes, built their own state, but not on the contrary ..

          But because Kolya Taraskin is a young isho. And then Kolya Taraskin does not know the six rules of Gleb Zheglov.
          First, open the history books of the new, ancient, great ex-Soviet republics or just work as a search engine. If the brain did not lie down - you will feel everything in real life. Especially when you will study the stages of a long journey of the same ANAS in the nuances of
          . I don’t want another fate, I can’t exchange anything for That factory entrance, That brought me to people.
          and his participation in the removal of Kolbin. then come, maybe I’ll talk with the adults about the rest. AND
          Quote: Siban
          "Old man, leave empty bullshit .." "Quietly rustling with slate, the roof goes slowly!" laughing fool Grandfather with NAS of the same age? Also senile .. repeat
          I’ve already fallen in love with such Internet hamsters, if you don’t take your word for it, ask Dauren, who Kasym, he will explain to you that the beavers broke off a couple. Again, look at the profile picture — how many “black marks” the moderators have sent to me. was more orderly and comments more interesting than articles were posted than now, but it was more interesting with them. And this is childish, liquid, even for reincarnation Marek Rozny doesn’t pull. I want to believe that he dulled when he noticed the traces in the new account. bully
          1. Siban
            16 December 2017 10: 57 New
            0
            Quote: avt
            If the brain did not lie down
            So, with the recumbent already, older .. crying
            Quote: avt
            ask Dauren, which Kasym
            "Swag" I have not watched for a long time no
            Quote: avt
            - how many ,, black marks "the moderators drove me.
            Here's what's interesting .. recourse After all, the Great Old Shark has never been banned .. request
            Nihas has already changed several nicknames. The "postman" is the same. And how much Crystal has been reassigned. Even veteran.air force (VAF) was blocked .. and the "old sharks" never .. angry "I am tormented by vague doubts .." (c) - Partaktiv? We are "cooperating" with the administration of the topwar bully ?!
            Quote: avt
            .A this is baby liquid
            What is so bad? We Kazakhs can chip in the old memory, on the diapers of the "old shark" ..
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    3. Kasym
      Kasym 14 December 2017 17: 14 New
      +4
      About watered. columnist Ruslan Zhangazy did not know anything. He is still young for watered. browser. And I do not agree with his statement. I believe that security is created not only through muscle building in the army, but also through the creation of friendly relations with our neighbors (which our authorities did). And I don’t understand what time gain he is talking about. NAS clearly expressed about the "aggression" of the Russian Federation in the Crimea. "Kazakhstan is sympathetic to the annexation of Crimea to Russia" - something like that. hi
      1. avt
        avt 14 December 2017 17: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: Kasym
        I believe that security is created not only through muscle building in the army,

        good
        Quote: Kasym
        but also due to the creation of friendly relations with neighbors (which our authorities did).

        Not only and not first of all, but a balanced domestic policy. Until today, the elbasy managed to keep a balance and not fall into the status of a failed state. In any case, it’s worthy of respect.
        Quote: Kasym
        . NAS clearly expressed about the "aggression" of the Russian Federation in the Crimea.

        request It’s real, they’re neither hot nor cold. Especially in light of the fact that at least in the framework of the CSTO, well, I didn’t take part in Suria with us purely symbolically. At least humanitarian, at least an army hospital. This is despite the fact that the Kazakhs went to spirits with their families, like ours, by the way. And I pay attention again
        Quote: avt
        And the fact that the probability of a change of ruler is very possible, especially if the applicants do not want to have a guarantor of the transfer of power to Russia, is very significant. It is very tempting to even get US-s for Syria with Russia, not only in the Donbass.

        Fortunately, there are personnel with combat experience, and even Uighurs can catch up. The matter is of course sovereign, independent, but it seems to me that they will try to disrupt the transfer of power in Kazakhstan peacefully, well, not like in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. Where the GDP really acted as a guarantor for choosing a receiver. Kazakhstan is really special and blows to it and China with at least the Silk Road, which, due to its geography, falls outside the control of the USA. And they can’t miss it request
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 14 December 2017 18: 30 New
          +2
          ABT, good day! Glad to see you! A month has gone by while it was possible to break through the blockade of the site in the Republic of Kazakhstan.
          And how can we help in Syria? From the Air Force we have modern 6 Su-30SM and a dozen turntables. Although I suspect that our MiG-23s (27) go to Syria for spare parts, they still fly there. Well, the Turan battalion.
          Silk Road. We built 2500km railway and the highway is under construction - I think next. year finish. There are a few sites left. Ukraine is cutting transit, and we are trying to drag cargo flows. I will give a fact. 250 tons of cargo passed through our border with China. Now 000 mil. By 50. we will earn 2020 billion in transit. We also agreed on the construction of more than 5 enterprises with the PRC in the Republic of Kazakhstan (50 launched, a dozen under construction, the rest at the stage of development of the dock). What's so bad You and I are donors to the EAEU. Do not worry about the receiver - the National Academy of Sciences and others are not building the EAEU so that the receiver will later collapse. The US has already tried to overthrow the ANAS, but in fact it turned out the other way around. All NPOs under the cap of the National Security Committee (KGB) of the Republic of Kazakhstan. I have no doubt that they will continue to strive to do this, but it is too late. The people of such marginals will not support. The opposition, as such, does not exist - it is all tame. At the initiative of the United States, NASA Trump called a couple of times and met once. The USA cut off the support of NGOs in the Republic of Kazakhstan (I forgot which organization, USAID, in my opinion, is called that). hi
          1. avt
            avt 14 December 2017 19: 02 New
            +4
            Quote: Kasym
            The opposition, as such, does not exist - it is all tame.

            hi While the NAS is alive and able to really keep the country. request Once again, the key
            Quote: avt
            , especially if the applicants do not want to have a guarantor of the transfer of power to Russia, it is very significant. It is very tempting to get even US-s for Russia for Suria, not only in the Donbass.
            And we can go into the distance at times.
          2. Akexandre Fedorovski
            Akexandre Fedorovski 14 December 2017 20: 26 New
            +2
            Too “a rainbow" forecast "- the sad experience of Uzbekistan is clearly not taken into account. And also that the coups in this part of the world are traditionally" apical ". HOW can we say that" everything is under control "if a possible apical coup in Russia is already predicted after Putin’s departure (body removal) ?! The confrontation between the South and the North is just camouflaged by the pressure of the special services, and when the National Academy of Sciences doesn’t, everything can collapse in one day, especially with such a flawed foreign policy as the one pursued by Putin’s crypto-Oionist environment. for the best (I am VERY skeptical of such a forecast), but prepare for the Worst. Changing the alphabet is just the TOP of the iceberg.
  2. Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 14 December 2017 19: 47 New
    +7
    I read the title and article - individual things. By name - you think the confrontation is "color revolutions." According to the article, it turns out that the "color revolutions" have nothing to do with it, but Russia is to blame for everything and it is necessary to resist it. Author - are you a victim of what ????
  3. Akexandre Fedorovski
    Akexandre Fedorovski 14 December 2017 19: 57 New
    +2
    It is unlikely that the situation in Kazakhstan will be stable in the future: there are many indicators that indicate future confrontation along ethnic lines. With the advent of a new political leadership, the situation will worsen. There is no doubt that the north of Kazakhstan, where the Russian speakers are still dominating, will become a zone of future political tension: it is until the most short-sighted ones hide their heads in the sand ... Alas, this is the logic of the internal political development of the former Asian “brothers” after the collapse of the Soviet Union. I have worked a lot recently with young people from Kazakhstan: between the young people from the North and the southerners ALREADY there is the same level of "dislike" and even hatred that existed in the time between eastern and western Ukrainians. It resulted in a civil war in the Donbass. And she is only the beginning of a "military solution" of this hatred ...
    1. EnGenius
      EnGenius 15 December 2017 00: 18 New
      +1
      While Russia will be able to ensure the stability of Kazakhstan economically, I think nothing significant will happen. But it is worth looking at neighboring Kyrgyzstan to understand that without stability, Maidan people will begin to happen one by one, followed by the United States and nationalists, who are promised to seize everything in the event of a breakdown in relations with Russia. Now Russia is forced to support Kyrgyzstan, even to actually support it, so that it does not turn into another drug trafficking with its Taliban.
  4. Conductor
    Conductor 14 December 2017 19: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: solzh
    partially aimed at eliminating the potential threat from the neighbor and ally of Kazakhstan - Russia

    Lived, now, in the wake of Ukraine, Kazakhstan. Madhouse. Another artificially created, possible conflict in the future.
    “Kazakhs have never had statehood. He (Nursultan Nazarbayev) created it, ”Putin said.

    Well, yes, the guarantor is right. There was no such state as Kazakhstan.

    The Kazakh khanates were quite imagined.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 14 December 2017 22: 49 New
      +1
      And on three zhuz there will again be a division after elbasy?
      1. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 18: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Aviator_
        And on three zhuz there will again be a division after elbasy?

        Of course it will be! And the power massacre between them! Why do you think Elbasy transferred the capital to the lands of his zhuz?
        1. odometer
          odometer 16 December 2017 06: 46 New
          +1
          NAS comes from the Senior Zhuz, Astana on the lands of the Middle ...
    2. odometer
      odometer 15 December 2017 04: 55 New
      0
      I think it meant that there was no single state.
      1. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 21: 38 New
        0
        Quote: curvimeter
        I think it meant that there was no single state.

        Not just a single entity, but a state entity as such, with the corresponding institutions. The fact that vtyuhivayut for history is now akin to the "ancient ukram." They even came up with a flag:

        Actually this one:

        No more than the territory of various tribal unions, whose representatives differ from each other more than Russians from Ukrainians.
        The Kazan Khanate was a state entity, since it had the corresponding features, the Siberian Khanate - no, the Kazakh Khanate too ...
    3. Victorio
      Victorio 16 December 2017 21: 58 New
      0
      [quote = Conductor] Kazakh the khanates were quite themselves. [/ quote]
      ====
      the khanates were in this territory, many and different, but can one call them “Kazakh”?
      however, write the history of ubiquitous fashion for yourself.
      1. Zalym
        Zalym 19 December 2017 12: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Victorio
        the khanates were in this territory, many and different, but can one call them “Kazakh”?
        however, write the history of ubiquitous fashion for yourself.


        And what else to call them?
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 13 January 2018 01: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Zalym
          Quote: Victorio
          the khanates were in this territory, many and different, but can one call them “Kazakh”?
          however, write the history of ubiquitous fashion for yourself.


          And what else to call them?

          ====
          well, at least Cossack, for the word Kazakh was formed \ appeared later, like Kazakh people actually.
          1. Zalym
            Zalym 15 January 2018 10: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Victorio
            well, at least Cossack, for the word Kazakh was formed \ appeared later, like the Kazakh people in fact.


            Kazakh is a distorted Cossack (not related to Russian Cossacks)
  5. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 14 December 2017 22: 48 New
    0
    As there Kuprin: "there are internal enemies and there are external enemies ..."
  6. Lexus
    Lexus 15 December 2017 00: 13 New
    +2
    Kazakhstan has a lot to do with Russia's defense strategy. Rocketeers will not let lie. It is necessary to eliminate all contradictions and be friends. For the benefit of both countries. Maybe in the future there will be no need for separate living.
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 18: 34 New
      0
      Quote: lexus
      It is necessary to eliminate all contradictions and be friends.

      To be friends again? belay We have already made friends, to the vomit - we are friends and brothers 3 lard to help, and we spit in response. May be enough to be friends already? It's time to firmly defend your interests !!!
      1. Siban
        15 December 2017 20: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: AllXVahhaB
        We have already made friends, to the vomit - we are friends of the brothers 3 lard to help, and we spit in response.

        Please provide the link .. When is Russia 3 billion to help Kazak Eli provided ?!
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 21: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Siban
          When was Russia 3 billion to help Kazak Eli provided ?!

          And I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about other "friends."
          By the way, if you are getting out, write Cossack Eli without errors - write the letter K correctly yes
          1. Siban
            15 December 2017 21: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            Cossack Eli without errors - write the letter K correctly
            "Teach your wife cabbage soup .."
            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            Of course it will be! And the power massacre between them!

            What are we arguing about? Old sharks will witness ..
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 22: 49 New
              0
              Quote: Siban
              What are we arguing about? Old sharks will witness ..

              Yes, at least for that! After Nazarbayev’s departure (in any form), Ukraine will seem like flowers ...
              1. Siban
                16 December 2017 14: 17 New
                0
                Quote: AllXVahhaB
                Yes, at least for that!
                Even so fool Shaw and daughter in tokal give love?! But seriously, cook
                Quote: AllXVahhaB
                After Nazarbayev’s departure (in any form), Ukraine will seem like flowers ...
                We will discuss the scope of the argument so that you do not jump ..
                You wrote here: Those. in your opinion, Kazakhstan will be divided into 3 zhuz: "South", "West" and "North" (North, Center, East of the Republic of Kazakhstan) ..
                1. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 19: 15 New
                  0
                  Quote: Siban
                  Those. in your opinion, Kazakhstan will be divided into 3 zhuz: "South", "West" and "North" (North, Center, East of the Republic of Kazakhstan) ..

                  What does it mean to split up? Already divided. Just after the departure of Elbasy, the struggle for power between these "groups" will move to a more "hot" stage. And then - escalation ...
                2. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 19: 18 New
                  0
                  Quote: Siban
                  We will discuss the scope of the argument so that you do not jump ..

                  Ready to bet. Although I hope that I will lose - I have relatives and friends and fellow students there. But...
                  IMHO - after the departure of Elbasy Civil War - is inevitable. Is it so clear?
                  1. Zalym
                    Zalym 19 December 2017 11: 20 New
                    0
                    Ready to bet. What are we going to argue about?
  7. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 00: 57 New
    0
    In Oskemen

    When did Ust-Kamenogors manage to rename it?
    1. thinker
      thinker 15 December 2017 03: 53 New
      +6
      So far, it seems like two names, the website www.oskemen.kz Akim of the city of Ust-Kamenogorsk.
      But the Basmachi monuments with sawn-off shotguns are already being set.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 15 December 2017 08: 41 New
        +2
        Yes, even Uzbeks haven’t thought of such a thing yet - their basmach Dzhunaid Khan in bronze has not been immortalized yet.
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 18: 21 New
        0
        Quote: thinker
        But the Basmachi monuments with sawn-off shotguns are already being set.

        Q.E.D!
      3. Siban
        15 December 2017 20: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: thinker
        But the Basmachi monuments with sawn-off shotguns are already being set.
        Well, you put monuments to religious terrorists - suicide bombers am Monument to Peresvet in Bryansk.
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 21: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Siban
          Monument to Peresvet in Bryansk.

          Don’t compare horseradish with your finger! Does anyone present you for batyrs?
          Monument to анabanbai batyr in Taldykorgan:

          Қabanbai batyr, he is still a terrorist. Not for nothing nicknamed Daraboz (merciless).
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 15 December 2017 08: 42 New
      +1
      They and Uralsk with Guryev renamed for a long time
      1. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 18: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Aviator_
        They and Uralsk with Guryev renamed for a long time

        At the dawn of "nationalization" it was more clear ...
        But, in general, according to toponomy, everything is clear where whose land is. Look at the historical names of villages on both banks of the Irtysh and beyond. Therefore, they rename the city 300 years ago, founded by merchants, the Guryev brothers, in the name of a nearby village ...
        1. Siban
          16 December 2017 14: 32 New
          0
          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          And, in general, in toponomy, everything is clear where whose land
          Well then, Saratov (Sary-Tau), Tyumen (Tomen or Chimgi-Tura), Volgograd - Tsaritsyn (Sary-Su), Astrakhan .. it's so offhand
          Moscow, by the way, what does it mean in Russian? And then Vladimir is understandable. Volgograd is a city on the Volga. Pereslavl - from Old Russian, "adopted the glory." And Moscow, Tver, Murom, Ryazan is the same request
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 19: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Siban
            Well then, Saratov (Sary-Tau)

            Well, yes, familiar! And Semipalatinsk is Semey not because it is abbreviated Kazakh from Russian, but because the original name of the area! wassat
  8. tasha
    tasha 15 December 2017 05: 05 New
    +1
    Here is a topic to think about. And what should the leaders of a sovereign state do if the country has the second largest national group (20% of the population) and there is another state nearby where this national group makes up 80% of the population.
    Imagine that you are the leader of such a country. Your actions?
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 15 December 2017 21: 50 New
      0
      Quote: tasha
      Imagine that you are the leader of such a country. Your actions?

      Facial actions - 25 years ago, this group made up 40% of the population.
      The Bolsheviks held the borders like that.
      In general, look at the history of Flanders. This will end both Ukraine and Kazakhstan. Historical inevitability request
      1. tasha
        tasha 16 December 2017 05: 15 New
        +1
        Facial actions - 25 years ago, this group made up 40% of the population.

        And what is the question? Those. From the point of view of the larger group, everything is going right ... You introduce yourself as the president of Kazakhstan ...

        In general, look at the history of Flanders. This will end both Ukraine and Kazakhstan. Historical inevitability


        So Russia is moving in the same direction .. sad
  9. Nemesis
    Nemesis 15 December 2017 11: 01 New
    +1
    All republics of the former republics of the scoop are sick with Russophobia and this is not an exception
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 December 2017 16: 11 New
    0
    Too many Russians, too much dependence on them in Kazakhstan. Work in the industrial North - Russian or Russian-speaking, and the buys - in Astana ... They come "to skim the cream."
    An army - no, if anything - in short, no need to be afraid.
  11. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 15 December 2017 23: 42 New
    0
    After Nazarbayev’s death, events in Kazakhstan are likely to develop according to the Ukrainian version. Ukrainians are ethnically and mentally much closer to Russians than Kazakhs. Northern Kazakhstan will become a potential Crimea and Donbass.
  12. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 15 December 2017 23: 58 New
    0
    A conflict with Kazakhstan is inevitable, because a significant part of the population, representing the Russian World on the border with Russia, lives there. The same situation in Ukraine, Moldova, the Baltic states, Belarus.
  13. Olezhek
    Olezhek 16 December 2017 09: 23 New
    0
    After the “euromaidan”, which led to the overthrow of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in 2014, who tried to play a strategic double game in foreign policy, but in general, more inclined to Russia


    Very beautiful myth. About a certain "pro-Russian" Yanukovych. Actively began to force after his overthrow.
    Until the overthrow of Yanukovych, no one called him pro-Russian.
    Moreover, Yanukovych was more "inclined" to sign the "Euro-Association"
    For the money.
    Money is not given.
  14. Olezhek
    Olezhek 16 December 2017 09: 38 New
    0
    RK, it is clear that the document reflects the experience of such countries as Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria, which have become the scene of mediated wars.
    But there are clear indications that some new aspects of the Kazakh military doctrine appeared in response to completely different threats. Unlike the 2011 doctrine of the year, Kazakh military strategists are now preoccupied with the possibility of applying “hybrid methods”. Also mentioned is the threat of “encouraging and escalating armed conflict on the borders of the Republic of Kazakhstan”.


    Well, like yes, Kazakhstan with its vast territory and more than modest military potential is in serious risk zone.
    the problem is if they want to defend themselves "against all" (including Russia) - there are simply not enough resources.

    According to the analytical center Ranking.kz, in 2016, the defense budget of Kazakhstan decreased by 3% compared with the previous year. And this is despite the fact that the budget is calculated in tenge, the rate of which over the past two years has plummeted


    And what happens:

    On the one hand, the growing rate of external migration is primarily associated with the departure of ethnic Russians to their historic homeland. At the same time, the government of Kazakhstan actively relocates ethnic Kazakhs from the southern regions to the north.


    I would not say that this is a plus from the point of view of security of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

    - in case of big problems (like the Syrian ones), Kazakhstan (and if they arise, it will not be in 20 years), it will be easiest for Russia to stupidly evacuate Russians. And play geopolitical games.

    That is a trick in what: if Kazakhs and Russians live in Kazakhstan, then in case of serious problems Russia needs to be helped regardless of anything.
    If Kazakhstan is purely Kazakh ... then "the problems of the Spanish people remain the problems of the Spanish people ..." C

    That is to rely on the fact that Russia (faithful to international duty) will rush to save Kazakh Kazakhstan — quite naively.

    Here the Kazakh people have a kind of fork ...
    Foreign and domestic policies are surprisingly closely related.
  15. gsev
    gsev 18 December 2017 00: 52 New
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    Quote: Kasym
    You know our story badly. Purely my point of view. If not for the nomads of Manchuria, Mongolia, Altai, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, XUAR, etc. It is not known how the fate of Russia would have developed. We do not have a panic fear of the Chinese. We have changed the dynasties there over the past thousand years. Only the Ming dynasty (lasted less than a century) was purely Chinese over the past thousand years. And of course, after the Second World War and the Chinese Civil War, they took power in China.

    The Turkic culture in the world is known for its wars, Chinese for technical achievements. Key inventions in history have been made by the Chinese. Until the middle of the 19th century, Europe did not have non-military goods that could compete with the Chinese. China had more stone bridges than in Europe, a developed network of water transport. The only thing he did not develop military production, so the British broke it during the Opium Wars. But the period when China was backward is 100 ... 120 years. Already approximately in the 1970s, the Chinese overtook the USSR in the production of monoblocks and mini tractors, due to which in 1990 they decided their analogue of the food program.
  16. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 18 December 2017 06: 44 New
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    Vladimir Putin added fuel to the fire, calling Kazakhstan "a territory on which the state never existed."

    No, of course, I respect our GDP no less than Panikovsky Bender. But still I want to ask: did he graduate from the KGB High School or the school of fools?