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US media: The rate of the West on Poroshenko was a mistake

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The West will have to admit that he supported the wrong leader in Ukraine - President Petro Poroshenko failed in the fight against corruption, columnist Josh Cohen writes in Reuters.


The West will have to admit that it supported the wrong leader in Ukraine
- writes Cohen

US media: The rate of the West on Poroshenko was a mistake


According to him, President Petro Poroshenko actually failed in the promised fight against corruption. The disturbing reality, the columnist adds, is that, as many believe, Poroshenko himself “cracks down dissent and discredits anti-corruption activists” with the help of controlled special services. According to Cohen, this is not the person Washington should trust.

The journalist believes that the West and Ukraine are stuck with Poroshenko, so the United States and its allies should work around the Ukrainian president, if necessary.

Recall, recently, the West has actually openly expressed claims to Ukraine on the situation with anti-corruption work and departments.

Last week, the Ukrainian media reported difficult negotiations between Ukrainian and European diplomats: because of the proposed draft law to reduce the independence of NABU, proposed by the Verkhovna Rada deputies, EU representatives called for stopping Kiev's support programs and visa-free regime. Also, Kiev was threatened with deprivation of IMF support, reports Vzglyad.
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  1. solzh
    solzh 13 December 2017 19: 51 New
    11
    President Petro Poroshenko actually failed in the promised fight against corruption.

    And not only with corruption, he was defeated. Parashenko was defeated in everything. After it, it takes at least a century to rebuild the country.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 13 December 2017 19: 52 New
      28
      Poroshenko-a fighter against corruption? Bees versus honey? laughing
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 13 December 2017 19: 55 New
        13
        According to him, President Petro Poroshenko actually failed in the promised fight against corruption.

        I would like to know what result merikosiya with powder wanted to achieve? probably to defeat corruption, increase the standard of living of Ukrainians at times and create a progressive and competitive economy? Very funny.
        The only thing that he did not fulfill from the point of view of the United States was that he did not move all the troops into the interior of the Dobass and unleash a war with Russia
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 13 December 2017 20: 03 New
          15
          Quote: maxim947
          The only thing he did not do from the point of view of the United States was that he did not move all the troops into the interior of the Dobass.

          So after all, Matrasia cannot speak directly about this - civilization is! So they use the fight against corruption as the most plausible excuse to tell Piglet their "fi".
          1. Going
            Going 13 December 2017 20: 24 New
            18
            Yes, they do not care about corruption, he can not fulfill what the United States requires - to drag Russia into the war.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 13 December 2017 20: 34 New
              +6
              Because, although he is an alcoholic, he understands how this will turn out.
              1. Going
                Going 13 December 2017 20: 39 New
                13
                He is a very intelligent person, although I am distraught from this definition, he put his abilities in the wrong services, so Repin’s picture ...
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 13 December 2017 20: 47 New
                  +9
                  Perhaps the mattresses are in no hurry to give Piglet a lethal weapon, because they understand that even with him he will unleash a war with Russia? Or vice versa: they don’t give it because in Matrasia they understand what it will turn out for them?
                  1. Going
                    Going 13 December 2017 20: 55 New
                    +6
                    In the United States, too, a complete tear, but sober heads understand what step Russia can take and then the United States will have to sweep out of Ukraine.
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 13 December 2017 20: 59 New
                      +8
                      In a mess it’s generally difficult to get to the bottom of it ...
                      1. Going
                        Going 13 December 2017 21: 10 New
                        +7
                        Here the question is steeper, the loss of the face of the face to the fullest, and in front of the whole world.
                      2. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 13 December 2017 21: 10 New
                        +3
                        There is no mess in sga. In the beginning, there was one who tried to build foreign policy with his Wishlist. But they quickly explained to him. And in Ukraine, they act systematically and methodically., We do not have time for them.
                      3. Going
                        Going 13 December 2017 21: 32 New
                        +6
                        Quote: dr.star75
                        And in Ukraine, they act systematically and methodically., We do not have time for them.


                        In the beginning, yes I agree, but what now? what will be their step?
                      4. Tusv
                        Tusv 13 December 2017 23: 47 New
                        +3
                        Quote: bouncyhunter
                        In a mess it’s generally difficult to get to the bottom of it ...

                        Strongly disagree am In the mess, where are the clean socks? In the most visible place, on a battery or on a string, are freshly dried, but in the Order, where? Figs you will find in which box they crammed. Even Nietzsche said: "You need to have chaos in yourself to give birth to a dancing star." bully
                  2. poquello
                    poquello 13 December 2017 21: 53 New
                    +3
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    Perhaps the mattresses are in no hurry to give Piglet a lethal weapon, because they understand that even with him he will unleash a war with Russia? Or vice versa: they don’t give it because in Matrasia they understand what it will turn out for them?

                    Pasha, they wrote to you - "corruption", they will sell it to LDNR.
                2. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 13 December 2017 21: 12 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Going
                  Here the question is steeper, the loss of the face of the face to the fullest, and in front of the whole world.

                  Yes, how much can you swagger around with messed up portals? There is already a matter of the ram principle - to crap all the way.
                  1. Going
                    Going 13 December 2017 21: 33 New
                    +5
                    It seems the fortuneteller has broken.
              2. avt
                avt 13 December 2017 23: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                Because, although he is an alcoholic, he understands how this will turn out.

                Duc
                Hand over a weapon! How he scared you! Did you take it off the fuse? Come back! Certificate ... Hurry! Out! Out!
                bully
            2. sabakina
              sabakina 13 December 2017 22: 12 New
              +6
              Quote: Going
              Yes, they do not care about corruption, he can not fulfill what the United States requires - to drag Russia into the war.

              Vit, right now I’ll say not that the button accordion, the accordion! They do not care about the Donbass and the whole southeast! All this circus was started in order to get the Crimea, which Poroshenko failed with “honor”. And now they don’t know how to keep a decent face. Nevertheless, they are hoping for something.
              Poroshenko thanked the USA and Canada for the decisions on lethal weapons
              1. Going
                Going 13 December 2017 22: 27 New
                +5
                Vyacheslav hi , I completely agree with you, on top of that, they still didn’t understand that they got into the “margarine” with two legs ...
            3. avt
              avt 13 December 2017 23: 00 New
              +3
              Quote: Going
              Yes, they do not care about corruption, he can not fulfill what the United States requires - to drag Russia into the war.

              yes bully
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Because, although he is an alcoholic, he understands how this will turn out.

              Like in the film, where Nona Mordyukova, in the role of chairman, said to Ulyanov, “You’re a good man, but not EAGLE!” bully
              Quote: Going
              He is a very intelligent person, although I am distraught from this definition, he put his abilities in the wrong services, so Repin’s picture ...

              A cunning, hardened huckster who has risen from his father’s criminal connections, who also picked up the right woman from the category officials in advance, “A” Now he’s really getting from the US
              When you brought the gun to you, you didn’t think about your duty ... not about your comrades who were killed, but about 50 thousand won. Yes, about the house in the Lark with a cow, but with a hog.
        2. Smog
          Smog 13 December 2017 20: 06 New
          +6
          And now who to appoint as a gauleiter? And where in \ on this territory is a wrestler with koruptsin found? Oh, and the task for the Washington Regional Committee ........ It must be imported from outside .....
          1. maxim947
            maxim947 13 December 2017 20: 10 New
            +5
            So the disgraced “proud” Georgians, having experience in waging wars, and then getting Lyuli, run there
            1. Smog
              Smog 13 December 2017 20: 22 New
              +4
              Quote: maxim947
              So run disgraced there

              Already does not run. Dumbfounded from the dungeons. Proud walks like a dollar. Just do not know how much it goes? Maybe until he picks up the attic? And it’s a bit chilly on a roof without a roof. And not Carlson, the propeller is netuti ..... lol
              1. Going
                Going 13 December 2017 20: 41 New
                +4
                And not Carlson, the propeller is netuti .....


                He’s buzzing in another place now, as if to survive ... or else a classic sacred sacrifice.
                1. Smog
                  Smog 13 December 2017 20: 59 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Going
                  He’s buzzing in another place now,

                  Oh, I'm afraid to even think in which .....
                  1. Going
                    Going 13 December 2017 21: 06 New
                    +7
                    And there are no options, they can bang without problems and he understands this.
                    1. Smog
                      Smog 13 December 2017 21: 07 New
                      +4
                      Do not twist, do not bang. the Americans have not worked it out to the end.
                      1. Going
                        Going 13 December 2017 21: 11 New
                        +5
                        Doubts gnaw me, they can play it like a trump card.
            2. Going
              Going 13 December 2017 20: 25 New
              +5
              Not Miho only suits the Premiere and how the ancient incentive works.
              1. Smog
                Smog 13 December 2017 20: 29 New
                +3
                So he himself did not hide it. Shouted about it on mihomaydan.
                1. Going
                  Going 13 December 2017 20: 32 New
                  +5
                  So I'm talking about it, the owner does not allow more.
              2. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 13 December 2017 21: 32 New
                +2
                A woman with a scythe peeks over his shoulder ... Or maybe Yatsenyuk will be returned ...
                1. Going
                  Going 13 December 2017 21: 39 New
                  +5
                  Pale with a scythe will not allow and Yatsenyuk banally afraid of her.
                2. Smog
                  Smog 13 December 2017 21: 45 New
                  +5
                  Nah. Her time has not come yet. In this muddy water she will drive a sting and watch whose takes. For the time being. But when the maltz spiders take a breath in the battles among themselves, this cute shark will appear. Pretty woman .... with a scythe
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 13 December 2017 21: 49 New
                    0
                    Strong, tenacious Julia. He will sit out in ambush. .
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          3. Sail
            Sail 13 December 2017 20: 23 New
            +2
            So already brought one, Konstantin ...Wrestler ... wink
        3. Dembel77
          Dembel77 13 December 2017 20: 09 New
          +4
          Western bet on Poroshenko was a mistake
          So what is the name of the bloody euromaidan in February 2014 that led to the coup in Ukraine? Error? Then who will be responsible for the innocently killed and burned alive during these three years as a result of this so-called "mistake"? Or are they not people for the western world?
        4. LSA57
          LSA57 13 December 2017 20: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: maxim947
          I would like to know what result merikosiya with powder wanted to achieve?

          candy for free lol
      2. Shura Perm
        Shura Perm 13 December 2017 20: 08 New
        +1
        It’s not a matter of him, he is only a talking head
      3. 210ox
        210ox 13 December 2017 20: 09 New
        +2
        Bees vs Winnie the Pooh .. wassat In general, it’s a bell. There’s a trump card in your pocket that eats everything that comes to hand in a stressful situation. He picks up Offal and walks around.
        Quote: Thrall
        Poroshenko-a fighter against corruption? Bees versus honey? laughing
      4. Andryukha G
        Andryukha G 13 December 2017 20: 41 New
        +2
        The most interesting will be ahead (in 2018 when the Americans will make him president), and what the “bees” will do with Mishiko, who positions himself as the most honest fighter with the Ukrainian oligarchs and clans. In this situation, one in the field is not a warrior.
      5. iouris
        iouris 14 December 2017 02: 20 New
        +2
        Corruption is a mechanism for the destruction of the sovereignty of other states. All regimes political regimes in the colonies are established for a limited period. The fight against corruption in the colony is one way to manage or replace an ineffective anti-people regime with a more effective one. The meaning of the existence of a corrupt regime is to create favorable conditions for the promotion of goods produced by transnational corporations that pay taxes in the United States, and to maintain “price scissors” between the mass of goods and the resources necessary for the United States.
        Poroshenko is not a mistake. His regime has exhausted itself.
      6. Speak out
        Speak out 14 December 2017 03: 57 New
        0
        Rather, the flies are against ..., well, you understand.
      7. Vend
        Vend 14 December 2017 10: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Thrall
        Poroshenko-a fighter against corruption? Bees versus honey? laughing

        Well, something like this!
    2. Hunter
      Hunter 13 December 2017 20: 01 New
      +8
      The West will have to admit that it supported the wrong leader in Ukraine
      - writes Cohen

      He’s lying like a gray gelding .. Petya has played his bloody role, Ukraine has been looted and washed with blood!
      Now they are looking for that (Sakashvili, etc.) will lead the fooled into a war with Russia ..
      War to the last Ukrainian! Like there you will have everything and lard and gorilka, pennies, and in the rear behind you tanks "Abrams", etc. Atu will go Russian, atu ..
    3. Kasym
      Kasym 13 December 2017 20: 07 New
      +8
      We will not see Ukraine with the previous economic potential. The Kremlin will not be able to develop industries such as rocket, aviation, shipbuilding and engine building, electronics in Ukraine after what happened. In fact, conclusions had to be drawn on the gas wars that unleashed Kiev. Even then, everything became clear where the independent taxis. It was then necessary to attend to the alternative, but "better late than never." In a couple of years, it will be ready, and then Moscow can already twist the hands of European "partners". hi
      1. Hunter
        Hunter 13 December 2017 20: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: Kasym
        We will not see Ukraine with the previous economic potential.

        That's for sure...! The population will sing the songs "Farmers .."
        And the fat "poke" from the EU checks ... That's the purpose of the Maidan! And also, they will all chase them to war with us ..
        These ALL have prepared and provided for themselves ..
    4. Frol 7525
      Frol 7525 13 December 2017 20: 18 New
      +6
      "Parashenko was defeated in everything."
      Why in everything? On a dough the robust rose so Petro ... wink
    5. tol100v
      tol100v 13 December 2017 20: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: solzh
      And not only with corruption, he was defeated.

      It was not Valtsman who was defeated, but the State Department, which could not cope with either corruption or LDNR! Yes, they could not cope anywhere, they only brought wars and troubles! And then they shouted at all angles that they had won the Two World Wars, defeated ISIS, flew to the moon, and even flied if Hollywood provided technical support! How long is such nonsense enough ?!
    6. forester
      forester 13 December 2017 22: 52 New
      +1
      Yes, they invested correctly, right - they just did not expect that he would steal more than he would invest in anti-Russian activity - the parasite simply stole more than they expected, but otherwise everything goes according to plan))) and everything goes according to (PLAN)))) )
    7. Kent0001
      Kent0001 13 December 2017 23: 48 New
      0
      He did not fail ... he led it ..... corruption. wassat
    8. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 14 December 2017 02: 49 New
      0
      Do you need to recover? In my opinion, everyone will be better off if Ukraine breaks up. Volyn and Galicia will be part of Poland, Transcarpathia part of Hungary, Chernivtsi part of Romania, and Novorossia part of Russia. And let Little Russia itself lives as it wants. In such a reduced form and without access to the sea, it will become a micro-state that cannot threaten anyone.
  2. Romin
    Romin 13 December 2017 19: 56 New
    +9
    Parashenko won, not defeated.
    Russia and the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine were defeated after the President of the Russian Federation recognized the legitimacy of the elections in Ukraine after the coup!
    You do not worry about him, he is doing well;) business is going on, Russia is helping;)
    1. 210ox
      210ox 13 December 2017 20: 12 New
      +3
      Yes, something like that takes place .. sad
      Quote: Romin
      Parashenko won, not defeated.
      Russia and the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine were defeated after the President of the Russian Federation recognized the legitimacy of the elections in Ukraine after the coup!
      You do not worry about him, he is doing well;) business is going on, Russia is helping;)
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 13 December 2017 20: 12 New
      +2
      I do not agree. Poroshenko in the end will try to flee the hill with the "acquired". But in the west he will be undressed and imprisoned, like one Ukrainian prime minister. And where should he run? But it will be very soon, judging by the ratings, even if he is peacefully allowed to leave his post. hi
      1. just exp
        just exp 14 December 2017 06: 42 New
        0
        and what Ukrainian prime minister undressed? Or are you talking about Azarov?
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 14 December 2017 16: 45 New
          +1
          Just explo. Lazarenko Pavel Ivanovich was the prime minister of 1996-1997 .. 114 mil. was returned to Ukraine. They proved the theft of 200 million., Served 8 years in the United States. hi
          1. just exp
            just exp 15 December 2017 19: 04 New
            0
            Thanks, I didn’t.
    3. forester
      forester 13 December 2017 23: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Romin
      Parashenko won, not defeated.
      Russia and the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine were defeated after the President of the Russian Federation recognized the legitimacy of the elections in Ukraine after the coup!
      You do not worry about him, he is doing well;) business is going on, Russia is helping;)

      Stop smoking ganjubas - Putin never officially recognized the parasite as legitimate, and those elections too - meetings in Minsk are not recognition, but a tribute to "international law"
      1. dauria
        dauria 14 December 2017 01: 15 New
        +4
        Putin has never officially recognized parasit as legitimate, and those elections, too


        Moscow, August 25, 2014
        Russia recognized Petro Poroshenko as the legitimate president of Ukraine, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said during a briefing with reporters.

        The Foreign Ministry acknowledged, but Putin does not? laughing Ah, excuse me, for the sake of sight he acknowledged, well, negotiations and other little things. But deep, deep in his soul he is against. Why bother?
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  3. Dart2027
    Dart2027 13 December 2017 19: 57 New
    0
    Simply put, he could not cope with the DNI and LC.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 13 December 2017 20: 11 New
      +3
      He didn’t live up to expectations .. For the war with Russia.
      Quote: Dart2027
      Simply put, he could not cope with the DNI and LC.
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 13 December 2017 20: 00 New
    +3
    US media: The rate of the West on Poroshenko was a mistake
    Oh yeah! Klitschko needed to be further supported. wassat laughing
  5. pvv113
    pvv113 13 December 2017 20: 01 New
    +9
    Western bet on Poroshenko was a mistake

    They wanted to put on a trotter, but put on a donkey laughing
    1. Smog
      Smog 13 December 2017 20: 08 New
      +7
      Handsomely..... good
      1. Going
        Going 13 December 2017 20: 27 New
        +5
        If you put a saddle on a cow, it will not become a horse.
        1. Smog
          Smog 13 December 2017 20: 36 New
          +3
          Yes, but on the other hand
          Where there is no horse, there is a donkey - a horse. laughing
          1. Going
            Going 13 December 2017 20: 44 New
            +5
            It is possible that way, the meaning does not change ... - no matter how much the wolf does not feed, but the donkey has "ears" longer.
            1. Smog
              Smog 13 December 2017 20: 54 New
              +1
              Yeah! And the stars are star-striped
              1. Going
                Going 13 December 2017 21: 07 New
                +4
                Especially those between the legs. lol
              2. Popovich
                Popovich 13 December 2017 23: 01 New
                0
                from a dead donkey's ears - as Bender said ...
  6. Dezinto
    Dezinto 13 December 2017 20: 04 New
    +7
    The Moor didn’t even do the job, Russia didn’t come to the war, the Moor even more so can leave. And somewhere in Miami where another Moor has already bought mansions for everyone.

    There is no justice in the world, no, it was not and never will be! Sorry, I'm a pessimist today.

    All these drunken states, authorities and money calmly survive in comfort and warmth then ..... alas, the facts ....

    And now this "everyone will be rewarded according to their deserts" - please do not ....... very many have not been rewarded according to their merit!

    He will dump new guinea in some Papua, on his own plane and on his own island, and will write memoirs. Until the ice ax finds him, but it will be a specific work and concrete actions, and not some cosmic providence.
  7. Livonetc
    Livonetc 13 December 2017 20: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: solzh
    President Petro Poroshenko actually failed in the promised fight against corruption.

    And not only with corruption, he was defeated. Parashenko was defeated in everything. After it, it takes at least a century to rebuild the country.

    He is defeated solely by the green snake.
    The rest is chocolate.
    And the country is not without pleasure wiped.
  8. Simon
    Simon 13 December 2017 20: 17 New
    0
    US media: The rate of the West on Poroshenko was a mistake And, what can I say - that the protege of the states - this will be any mistake then, since he will be for his masters, and not for his people! fool
  9. groks
    groks 13 December 2017 20: 18 New
    +1
    Well, it didn’t really interfere in other cases. Tolerated corruption in other countries, why not tolerate it in this case? What difference does it make to them? But if this is considered even as an official position, then it becomes interesting. Misha then has a chance of success. The only bad thing is that Misha will not be able to interact normally with the Kremlin. But there are no options - Julia managed to blur, oh well what to blur, it was made public and is being presented as the truth about "atomic weapons" (who pulled her tongue?). Therefore, there will be no relief of the situation in the Donbas, with the coming to power of Misha. Poorly.
  10. 9K35
    9K35 13 December 2017 20: 19 New
    0
    It's time for Peter to go to Rostov. At home he is not a tenant, he will be appointed scapegoat. And the list goes on: Gaddafi, Mumbarak, Saddam, ....
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 13 December 2017 20: 36 New
      0
      There is a place in Novocherkassk just for Petit.
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 13 December 2017 20: 50 New
      +3
      Enough my Rostov on the Don with all the dishonesty of rubbish !!! angry Take it to yourself! am
      1. Smog
        Smog 13 December 2017 21: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Herculesic

        Ask Sobyanin to have your Rostov join the new Moscow .... lol
        1. Going
          Going 13 December 2017 21: 08 New
          +5
          Kostya, do you think it will reach?
          1. Smog
            Smog 13 December 2017 21: 10 New
            +2
            This one will reach ....
            1. Going
              Going 13 December 2017 21: 35 New
              +4
              Quote: Smog
              This one will reach ....


              And he needs it, so much under his nose ...
    3. solzh
      solzh 13 December 2017 21: 06 New
      0
      But why the hell in Russia is needed. If he runs, then rather to Canada, there’s a big ukrodiaspore, they will meet him as a “hero”
  11. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 13 December 2017 20: 22 New
    0
    Oh well !!)) And hto, in mind ???)) Mishiko, al Turchinov? There are Avakov, Kolomoisky ..
    Parubiy .. The Queen of Spades- Tymoshenko)))
    The deck is good: no matter how you shuffle, you’ll get it anyway ... However, they’re probably trying to get it)))
  12. Simon
    Simon 13 December 2017 20: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: solzh
    President Petro Poroshenko actually failed in the promised fight against corruption.

    And not only with corruption, he was defeated. Poroshenko was defeated in everything. After it, it takes at least a century to rebuild the country.

    I agree with you, but Misha Saakoshvili, you can say - the same is not better, the same from the same swamp! Soon it will become like Poroshenko, and maybe even worse! request
  13. Simon
    Simon 13 December 2017 20: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: pvv113
    Western bet on Poroshenko was a mistake

    They wanted to put on a trotter, but put on a donkey laughing

    Or maybe even goat! wassat On which sins are forgiven laughing
    1. Smog
      Smog 13 December 2017 21: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Simon
      On which sins are forgiven

      So then it is. But this one raised a lot of dough on these sins. The truth can be taken away ... but probably hopes for something ....
  14. NF68
    NF68 13 December 2017 20: 30 New
    +3
    You might think that the Americans and the British did not know what all this would lead to in Ukraine.
  15. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 13 December 2017 20: 31 New
    +2
    No other topics?
  16. Herculesic
    Herculesic 13 December 2017 20: 48 New
    +1
    So far, this is only the personal opinion of the journalist, otherwise the power was transferred to another king, which still has not happened.
  17. Makarov
    Makarov 13 December 2017 20: 49 New
    +2
    We read between the lines: too few people die.
  18. Sergey53
    Sergey53 13 December 2017 20: 53 New
    0
    That's right, better late than never. The bet immediately had to be done on PUTIN and not on Poroshenko.
  19. Smog
    Smog 13 December 2017 21: 15 New
    +2
    Going,
    Going,
    Quote: Going
    Doubts gnaw me, they can play it like a trump card.

    That is yes. You can expect everything from glavnyukov.
    1. Going
      Going 13 December 2017 21: 36 New
      +5
      Therefore, Mishiko scratches turnips ...
      1. Smog
        Smog 13 December 2017 21: 38 New
        +2
        Massaging the place? Well that would not hurt so much .....
  20. Langf
    Langf 13 December 2017 21: 36 New
    +1
    Some babbling: it looks like a moron makes a discovery that the water is wet and the oil is oily. Well, what kind of cynic do you need to be to call a pig a hitch, and after three years with all seriousness to say that this is a pig ?!
  21. klm-57
    klm-57 13 December 2017 21: 41 New
    0
    And what? Do they have a wide selection of traitors?
  22. dr.star75
    dr.star75 13 December 2017 22: 01 New
    +1
    Going,
    And they do not need to answer. Everything suits them. They are waiting for a return move from us, but it is not there. We do not know how to answer.
  23. rocket757
    rocket757 13 December 2017 22: 07 New
    +4
    Can search where many, many candy shops open.
    However, the chocolate bar may well declare war on the achressor and quickly, quickly slin ... to resign, like due to illness. Overcame his ailment due to green ... worries about nenko ??? It may well be that McCain or Lugar will be accepted under the “wing”, is Biden the same? At least they will not send messengers to Canada for him, or where else?
  24. shura7782
    shura7782 13 December 2017 22: 31 New
    0
    Western bet on Poroshenko was a mistake
    I absolutely disagree with this conclusion. This is all our Wishlist. Por..ko for the West did the most important thing. Will work out his term and dump. The next one is already grown by Americans, who will regularly receive money from them. Now the main thing is that everything is clear with Crimea, but it’s not clear what will happen to the republics. How long will this go on? I think that only after Eun and Trump muddle the DB. There will no longer be up to square one. I don’t see another option yet.
  25. uporov65
    uporov65 13 December 2017 22: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Smog
    And now who to appoint as a gauleiter? And where in \ on this territory is a wrestler with koruptsin found? Oh, and the task for the Washington Regional Committee ........ It must be imported from outside .....

    Gauleiter has already drawn, this is a certain gentleman - Sukinshvili!
  26. uporov65
    uporov65 13 December 2017 23: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Simon
    US media: The rate of the West on Poroshenko was a mistake And, what can I say - that the protege of the states - this will be any mistake then, since he will be for his masters, and not for his people! fool

    The West and the States will say for sure that Poroshenko is a protege of the Kremlin hi
  27. rruvim
    rruvim 13 December 2017 23: 13 New
    0
    Yes, a mistake happened ... It would be better if they appointed a "rabbit" yes
  28. Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 December 2017 23: 52 New
    0
    Well, at that time, the West had no one to count on.
    There was a choice from Rabbit, Pedalik, Drunk and this ... Natsik.
    We don’t take chicken on wheels.
    And in general, Petruha at that moment looked the most vigorous.
    Remember the first six months of his reign, when he first
    says smart things, and then, at the direction of the West, says the exact opposite.
    And then he just reconciled and washed down.
    And now from whom the West choose?
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 14 December 2017 00: 03 New
      +1
      Really. There isn’t much choice ... Maybe the Synagogue will choose Kernes? Still, a "decent" person. Suffered from "these" and "such" ... Why is not the president of "Independent"?
  29. rruvim
    rruvim 14 December 2017 00: 13 New
    0
    President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko on his Facebook thanked the authorities of Canada and the United States for their decisions on the supply of lethal weapons.

    “I am grateful to Washington and Ottawa for the powerful and timely support signal! As agreed, the United States authorized security assistance to our state, and Canada included Ukraine in the checklist of countries to which the supply of automatic weapons is allowed, ”Poroshenko wrote.


    The President stressed that now "the path to enhanced military assistance to Ukraine is open."

    Here is what a Valzman goat! So he wants the Russians to kill each other.
  30. vanavatny
    vanavatny 14 December 2017 00: 26 New
    0
    hmm, one nice comedy says: don’t put on him purulent, put your wife on him ...
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 14 December 2017 00: 34 New
      +1
      It was not he who married, it was his marriage! By the way, a decent lady:
      Carrying the surname of Perevedentsev in girlhood, the future first lady was born in 1962 in Lipetsk, where her father worked at that time. Later, when he was promoted and appointed deputy. Minister of Health of the Ukrainian SSR, their family moved to Kiev, and it was there that she graduated from a medical institute and received a diploma with a degree in cardiologist Marina Poroshenko. The nationality of the president’s wife is Russian, and before the events of Euromaidan, she belonged to the UOC of the Moscow Patriarchate.
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny 14 December 2017 00: 39 New
        0
        heh, at the whole I am about the situation, so that everyone would go about their business and not climb, where the dog did not pop
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 14 December 2017 00: 47 New
          +1
          But Poroshenko simply "inserted" into the system. And that’s it! He himself still does not understand where he "climbed". He’s a businessman to the bone, and he is forced to engage in politics. Therefore, he gets drunk ... Any Pats - Yarosh or Tyagnibok could be the Hetman of the Outskirts ... But they are all anti-Semites, therefore they "brought" poor Peter to the "slaughter" ...
      2. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 14 December 2017 02: 56 New
        +1
        She is not Russian, she is Jewish. The face is visible.
  31. opus
    opus 14 December 2017 00: 32 New
    +1
    Well, the muzzle of Petro in the photo in the article.
    I even felt sorry for him
  32. bondxnumx
    bondxnumx 14 December 2017 01: 10 New
    0
    Everything was predictable, but some people wrote last year that the states will not refuse to parasit! Refuse! Only the Americans get it tight: That when they give money to the thieves ---- they will want even more and wait for what kind of return It is useless (except for the talking room) Now the Ukrainians wanted Sukushvili)))))) Also an egg ---- only in profile))) ))) How much the Erectorate in Ukraine is Gullible, THE PART II OF THE SAME MARSEZON BALLET WILL GO))))))))
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 14 December 2017 01: 23 New
      +1
      Ukrainians want Putin! And this is an axiom. This is serious!
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 14 December 2017 01: 30 New
        +2
        Yes, it would be nice to conduct an Internet survey with candidates - Potroshenko, Yanukovych, Tymoshenko, Lyashka, Klyachka and ... Putin. The result would be interesting.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 14 December 2017 01: 42 New
          +2
          These polls have already been conducted, though incognito. 70% of the inhabitants of the outskirts for Putin! And most importantly, in Lviv, he scored 83%, and in Kherson, strangely enough, only 65%.
          1. LeonidL
            LeonidL 14 December 2017 01: 44 New
            +1
            Just in Kherson people are more frightened and afraid of their shadows. ... like how to conduct a poll "Do you love Hitler" in Berlin in the year since 1934.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 14 December 2017 01: 53 New
              0
              Well, compared God's gift with the Fried Egg. They loved Führer in 1934, and how!
              1. LeonidL
                LeonidL 14 December 2017 01: 57 New
                +1
                You are wrong, he was not very fond of him at this time, to put it mildly, the elections, he actually lost in the 32-33th and crawled out just because of a swarm of Communists with the Social Democrats. He was loved later, when victories began - the construction of the autobahns, the eradication of unemployment, the occupation of the Rhine region, the reprisal of the Wehrmacht, the blitzkriegs in Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, France - then the Germans' life improved tremendously, there were a lot of goods from occupied Europe ... Then there was Berlin 1945 ... again stopped loving ...
                1. rruvim
                  rruvim 14 December 2017 02: 27 New
                  0
                  Well, maybe ... But the Führer - all the same, the Führer, although he died in Argentina ...
  33. LeonidL
    LeonidL 14 December 2017 01: 28 New
    +1
    The fight against corruption Petyunchik Potroshenko is very reminiscent of the struggle of the Nanai boys in the circus arena ... especially the result.
  34. Lexus
    Lexus 14 December 2017 02: 44 New
    +1
    Petro confused them all with their piles, however wassat
  35. DEDPIHTO
    DEDPIHTO 14 December 2017 02: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Sergey53
    That's right, better late than never. The bet immediately had to be done on PUTIN and not on Poroshenko.

    True, maybe even now they will persuade the galley slave and Co. to an independent presidency ..then he’s already enough, a cellar, to the oligarchy, it’s time and honor to know until in 1917 they turned out .. with all the consequences. Anyway, if only from here ..
  36. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 14 December 2017 03: 42 New
    +2
    .A theater of absurdity, goes into the second phase- "Petro! Why still do not fight with the Russians?".
  37. Shukshin
    Shukshin 14 December 2017 04: 22 New
    0
    False American foreign policy is built on corrupt officials. Just parsley is very sluggishly crap Russia.
  38. alexng
    alexng 14 December 2017 04: 40 New
    +2
    dr.star75,
    Yes, there is no mess. There is a clearly staged performance and Trump is the main thing in it. This circus was started, for dusting the brains of the rest of the world, and in particular Russia. And all this imitation of Trump's attempts at rapprochement with Russia is nothing more than a banal American trick. But something went wrong and was stunned by this masquerade and they decided to beat the emotions of the Russians. Fortunately, our leadership did not fall for it, except for politicians-showmen praising Trampapushechka. Yes, and the inhabitants of Russia, after observing the West’s undertaking in Ukraine, have developed stable immunity and now all Western attempts are hitting the West itself. This is at first glance. it seems that the West is winning this war with Russia, but in fact the matter is with the ShVAH mattresses. Hence their hysteria.
  39. cedar
    cedar 14 December 2017 06: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: LeonidL
    You are wrong, he was not very fond of him at this time, to put it mildly, the elections, he actually lost in the 32-33th and crawled out just because of a swarm of Communists with the Social Democrats. Loved him later, when the victories went - the construction of the autobahns, the eradication of unemployment, the occupation of the Rhine region, the Wehrmacht’s reprisal, the blitzkriegs in Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, France — then the Germans' life improved tremendously, there appeared a lot of goods from occupied Europe ... Then there was Berlin 1945.. .. Again stopped loving ...


    First of all, Schicklgruber was fond of the bankers from Wall Street and City, everything else was later ...
    The same story with powders and other Yeltsins ...
    With Putin, everything went wrong with them ...
  40. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 14 December 2017 07: 14 New
    +1
    According to him, President Petro Poroshenko actually failed in the promised fight against corruption.

    either a blind-eyed journalist, or something else. Potroshenko has been using the motto all his life: "you can not win - lead". so he headed, his condition has increased several times (if I do not confuse) - all the way through.
  41. DEDPIHTO
    DEDPIHTO 14 December 2017 07: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: cedar
    Quote: LeonidL
    You are wrong, he was not very fond of him at this time, to put it mildly, the elections, he actually lost in the 32-33th and crawled out just because of a swarm of Communists with the Social Democrats. Loved him later, when the victories went - the construction of the autobahns, the eradication of unemployment, the occupation of the Rhine region, the Wehrmacht’s reprisal, the blitzkriegs in Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, France — then the Germans' life improved tremendously, there appeared a lot of goods from occupied Europe ... Then there was Berlin 1945.. .. Again stopped loving ...


    First of all, Schicklgruber was fond of the bankers from Wall Street and City, everything else was later ...
    The same story with powders and other Yeltsins ...
    With Putin, everything went wrong with them ...

    And we are not the only one who knows who Putin loved — mattress bankers or homegrown. The Putin government supports stealing homegrown bankers with huge infusions from the treasury, and a bolt lays on economic development ... In the end, who benefits ??? p s..Manual governance of the country implies personal responsibility for the consequences (as when driving a car) / .. maybe that's why he holds onto the throne like that? hi
  42. igfrost1957
    igfrost1957 14 December 2017 08: 54 New
    +1
    In general, the West itself is one big mistake of nature.
  43. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 14 December 2017 09: 01 New
    +1
    Poroshenko did not live up to the expectations of the Americans in the main: did not start a war with Russia!
  44. Bosch
    Bosch 14 December 2017 11: 07 New
    0
    Americans, put on Porosyuk - there will be a holiday in Hohland.