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What is the future for the country preparing a modern education system?

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Often on the pages of "Military Review" through the prism of national security we discuss issues related to the modern education system. Many readers ignore topics of this nature, guided by the thesis, “Why is it on HE?” - “Education is for the educational portals, for Military Review, this is a military topic, and that’s the point.” And literally through several topics in the “neighboring” branches, fellow citizens who sincerely believe that the education system is not worthy of attention here, for some reason, are suddenly surprised by users who are not able to keep talking about the technical aspects of modern weaponsare lost in matters of domestic stories, lead pseudocytes, extricated from the fake bins "Google". Even more surprised when individual users, instead of reasoned discussion of a particular topic, try to cheat or “tune” rating points on the comments from the series: “We all tear!”, “It’s the damn Americans to blame (Jews / Germans / Ukrainians)!” And so on. the same series.


In fact, it is the educational system that will allow to answer the question, which way will the state go tomorrow. It is the education system that determines the principles of not only vocational orientation, but also the fact that INSIDE a “professionally oriented” person is consumer grip from the “Hurray, I am the first in line for iPhone” category, or does the understanding that citizenship is not determined position in the queue or rating "Forbes".

So, what kind of educational system was built in the last quarter of a century? What are the first fruits of this construction, which looks like a chaotic modern multi-voiced Babylon?

In fact, despite the seemingly chaotic sequence of educational reforms, they have an unambiguous “general line”. And this line consists in a clear rejection of any hint of a society of social justice. And it is covered under the most plausible excuses, poured over the most vivid and remarkably smelling sauces.

Here are a few:
We need to cultivate an individual approach so that the school releases a free, developed person, and not a blinkered future army unit, accepting only orders.

We need progressive systems of testing and other controls so that children even from the provinces become students of prestigious universities.

We need effective managers (managers) who can increase labor productivity in the country to an unprecedented level.
Everything is great, beautiful, sharp, but not one iota does not correspond to modern reality.

From a young age, a child receives an informational message that his success largely depends on the financial success of his parents. There are funds from parents - take part in countless profanations in the form of various paid (more often distance) Olympiads, get beautiful forms with beautiful seals from “Horns and hoofs” - enclose it in a portfolio (a very fashionable little word) and become a successful student. There are means - tablets, computers, smartphones, printers, the ability to go on paid excursions - again, success. And if the parents did not come out with faces (wallets) and cannot afford to send their children to the paid competition of young mathematicians to the city of “Fools”, then sit, student, and do not count on success in this democratic life.

What is the future for the country preparing a modern education system?


In this system, not only the student becomes a hostage, but also the teacher. GEFs, KIMs, KOSy, OPOPy. The person who received education in order to train and educate the younger generation, today was caught up in papers, bureaucratic norms that turn teachers into a biorobot. Reports and reports again kill the time that could be spent on a direct dialogue with those who sit at their desks, to educate the teacher. The teacher more often sees in front of him ridiculous forms from the Department of Education, all kinds of checkers of his professional activities, rather than the eyes of children.

In this regard, it is strange to talk about why modern children suddenly lose interest in education as a process ... They lose interest in education precisely because the education system stopped noticing them, lost all interest in them. The main thing for the system is to serve before the inspection structures, of which there is darkness for one average school. The main thing is to show on paper a report on how many points on the Unified State Examination students of graduate classes scored - on average - regardless of the fact that those who scored the maximum number of points were forced to spend more time with tutors than at school. And who prepared the child for the exam - a public school or parents' funds, which (parents) actually pay taxes so that the public school works ... And if the parents don’t have the means to take private lessons for the child - at whose expense government structures are going to hang his possible low score on the exam? Or is it now time for everyone to become successful to go to private educational structures? If there is enough money ...

Education officials are not ready to give a clear answer to these questions. Still would. They find it easier to hide behind the initiatives of the president, who often frankly descend on the brakes. It’s simpler than to answer unambiguously: what kind of “product” of the educational system is the state, after all, ready to see after all these liberal reforms. For now, the product is a frank “color differentiation of pants”, with clarification at the school desk how many times and before whom you need to sit with a bell in your nose ...

On the modern education system - a great film by Konstantin Semin "The Last Bell."

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  1. 210ox
    210ox 14 December 2017 06: 36 New
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    What is the future for the country ..?! With such an education? Nothing ... Unfortunately ... And the main thing is that the demands to stop this mess in education run into a blank wall.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 14 December 2017 06: 47 New
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      ! With such an education?
      The incentive must be created for children and adolescents ... there should be a children's and youth organization like pioneers and the Komsomol with goals clear for the young guys ... and these organizations should be in the spirit of the times ... smile along with smartphones, computers, a thirst to get rich and achieve something for yourself and other gadgets (naturally under adult control) ... the only way you can attract young people by giving them the desire to do something ... that’s what I think. what
      1. 210ox
        210ox 14 December 2017 06: 53 New
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        Alexey, I completely agree with you. But the fact is that we do not have a state ideology on the basis of which youth organizations would be created. That’s the catch. We’re cry patriots! monopolies ... An example of recent times is the appearance in the Bundestag of delegates from Urengoy.
        Quote: The same Lech
        ! With such an education?
        The incentive must be created for children and adolescents ... there should be a children's and youth organization like pioneers and the Komsomol with goals clear for the young guys ... and these organizations should be in the spirit of the times ... smile along with smartphones, computers, a thirst to get rich and achieve something for yourself and other gadgets (naturally under adult control) ... the only way you can attract young people by giving them the desire to do something ... that’s what I think. what
        1. My address
          My address 14 December 2017 07: 56 New
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          Dmitry, hi .
          Simply, and only in relation to ideology:
          Since childhood, young people need to educate the correct view of the Western world - from the side of the bolt of the weapon, and not from the side of the barrel.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 14 December 2017 08: 24 New
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        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        The incentive must be created for children and adolescents ... there should be a children's and youth organization similar to pioneers and the Komsomol with goals that are clear and understandable for young children ... and these organizations should be in the spirit of the times

        Colleague hi Have you watched a movie?
        There the question is posed that the state has destroyed the system of primary, secondary, specialized secondary and higher education.
        During the Putin years, about 30 thousand schools were liquidated !!! 80 thousand enterprises and 5 thousand industry institutes !!!
        The authorities need a consumer, not an educated person.
        And most importantly, education has become paid, and this leads to class differentiation of the population!
        I highly recommend watching all three episodes! hi
        1. Finches
          Finches 14 December 2017 08: 29 New
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          Good day! hi As I understand it, these words are the main thing in your post "Putin years"?
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 14 December 2017 08: 34 New
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            Greetings! hi You completely understood me correctly!
            Since the destruction of education, under the guise of reform, began precisely under Putin, and he bears full responsibility for this action.
            As a result of his actions, we rolled back by the number of secondary schools by 1913! In medicine, the same thing.
            Watch all 3 films, everything is clear there. hi
            perhaps you will begin to realize what is happening in the country.
            1. Finches
              Finches 14 December 2017 08: 57 New
              +6
              I have the honor to know this problem from the inside and I want to say that right now the process of restoration of our education, totally destroyed in the 90s, and it is largely due to GDP, has begun! hi
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 14 December 2017 09: 03 New
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                Quote: Finches
                I have the honor to know this problem from the inside and I want to say

                Cool, I don’t know, but I want to say what or rather objection.
                Quote: Finches
                the process of restoring our education, totally destroyed in the 90s and precisely thanks to GDP!

                But this is a complete BAD !!!
                Before Putin's reforms, schools were still intact and there was still Soviet pedagogical staff, and most importantly, general Soviet education programs.!
                Then I’m definitely in the subject, I have a wife and mother-in-law teachers !!!
                Watch the movie all the same, and then we will discuss it. hi

                Pysy. But the Irkutsk flight school, for example, wasn’t destroyed under Putin?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 14 December 2017 09: 12 New
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                  Schools, yes, including my native, were cut back on GDP, but specifically, I blame Serdyukov for this, even taking into account a certain rational grain ... but we are talking about the education system as a whole!
                  But I understand you - you, as Americans or Ukrainians - Putin is the main pest and strangler of human values ​​and no arguments are accepted ... laughing
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 14 December 2017 09: 23 New
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                    Quote: Finches
                    Schools, yes, including my native, were cut back on GDP, but specifically, I blame Serdyukov for this, even taking into account a certain rational grain.

                    Lack of flight and engineering personnel, both in combat and in c. Do you call aviation rational grain ??? !!!
                    Quote: Finches
                    but we are talking about the education system as a whole!

                    Is military education not part of the education system as a whole?
                    Quote: Finches
                    But I understand you - you, like Americans or Ukrainians - Putin is an enemy and no arguments are accepted ...

                    Eh ...., you are on your skate when there are no arguments .., mattresses, kakly, State Department, cookies ... stop
                    It obviously doesn’t color you negative
                    And I’ll answer you like this: I’m not a mattress, not a cacol, not a troll, not a deserted Cossack and the State Department doesn’t pay me anything, but I am CITIZEN !!!
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 14 December 2017 09: 27 New
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                      And I am a citizen and also a teacher, deputy head of the department at the Higher School! And I see modern trends! And to say that everything is degrading is absolutely not right! It is changing, it is recovering ..., yes, slowly, but the process is underway - today school graduates are stronger than 10 years ago, but inferior to graduates of the late 80s ... And in By the way, the merit of school teachers, whom you and your comrades blame for the fact that they work poorly, depends a lot on a particular teacher — a person, in a particular place, and not only on officials of the Ministry of Education or Putin!
                      1. ARES623
                        ARES623 14 December 2017 22: 36 New
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                        Quote: Finches
                        a lot depends primarily on a specific teacher - a person, in a particular place, and not only on officials of the Ministry of Education or Putin!

                        I support you, colleague. I would like to add to this some thoughts on the topic and discussion. On this topic. The author is clearly working on a foreign grant. Therefore, the whole article is a set of lies with snot and amnesia. Always, including during the USSR, parents who think about their children found funds for tutors or preparatory courses. Those who speak of a fatal shortage of money, in the vast majority, lie. Look at your table, drink more. Today is the hour of the tutor's work, for example in foreign languages, from 450 r / h in Chelyabinsk to 1500-2000 r / h in Moscow or St. Petersburg (prices may be higher, but they can be ignored in this case). It takes 1-2 hours a week, with systemic work. From 3600 rubles per month, not so much. Today, you can remotely work from Ekb with Sakhalin. In addition, school, city, and university olympiads are free of charge. Participated, did not pay a penny. School differentiation is a problem, mainly, in megacities. Yes, and it always existed. In the USSR, too, there were such. Look at the biographies of the main media people, the vast majority - children of professors, graduated from special schools with different biases. In medium and small cities, children of deputies and city authorities study in the same schools as children of single mothers, dysfunctional families, sellers, supervisors, etc. And the whole difference is who and from what moment began to control the child’s studies. Children have always been more “needed” by their parents. And it’s hard to imagine that teachers worried about a particular child more than mom and dad. And here about the discussion. No one, in any case, I found, did not blame the success of my child on the parents. Everywhere there is only a school and teachers led by Putin. Dad and mom, and where are you? You do not like the exam, but remember the golden childhood. The entire 10th grade - preparation for exams, tickets were decided. And after graduation, they flew to the university and passed 4 more, and who more, exams. Muscovites today complain that there are many times more nonresident students. Well, of course, before they were a priority. Today, the system allows you to act on the results of school trials. It is necessary to more discuss the abnormal concentration of money, universities and management in Moscow. Moscow, like a pimple on the ass, already quarterly changes the tile on the road, does not know where to put the money. Here it also needs to be disaggregated. Many problems are solved. And the desire for success was always and everywhere. And the fact that success is measured by money and social recognition is as old as the world. People are material beings, they want comfort and food. Yes, and the author, go, also does not go rags. Like Konstantin Semin. The author cannot find an “intelligible answer” from education officials, but he doesn’t offer anything. I admit that in the education system, and in the public administration system, there are problems that need to be addressed. But in Russian journalism it is also necessary to “clear the stables”, otherwise they learned to write ornate and “many words”, and specific argumentation - 0. For example, do you want to criticize teacher reporting? Uncover its contents, show what to remove to replace the artist. All some stamps with a foggy essence. Poor children know their country's history? Suggest program changes - what to remove and what to add .... No need to spread your thoughts on the tree, show the texture, offer a solution.
              2. Romey
                Romey 14 December 2017 09: 17 New
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                Quote: Finches
                I have the honor to know this problem from the inside and I want to say that right now the process of restoration of our education, totally destroyed in the 90s, and it is largely due to GDP, has begun! hi

                Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you ... I also know the problem from the inside, the benefit is the mother and wife of the teacher. In the 1990s, education was still Soviet, i.e. sound and high-quality, the discipline was the only one that was stumbling, but in general the methodology and programs were still quite up to par. "Reformers" had no time to engage in such small things, they needed to rob the country. And at zero, they had free time and these guys began to act to form and educate the consumer they need, preferably banking products. About knowledge, abilities, skills, speech in a modern school does not go from the word at all, the main result and criterion of the teacher’s work is elementary coaching on the OGE-EGE. In general, further degradation and the final liquidation of the classical Soviet school as a logical continuation of the Russian-German gymnasium tradition is inevitable. Therefore, one should not be surprised that satellites are falling. Apparently, they will soon have no one to launch at all, because the school prepares only a "qualified consumer", and there is no question of building because this is a communist heresy from the point of view of the curators of the current formation ...
                1. Cadet
                  Cadet 14 December 2017 12: 33 New
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                  You are right if the majority of high school students do not know when the Second World War began, if high school students do not know how to pull themselves on the horizontal bar and do not know what the release of power is.
                  1. ARES623
                    ARES623 14 December 2017 21: 41 New
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                    Quote: Cadet
                    You are right if the majority of high school students do not know when the Second World War began, if high school students do not know how to pull themselves on the horizontal bar and do not know what the release of power is.

                    And here you are and tell us what a "way out of power" is. And with the "majority", I think, is also a problem. Most is how many who measured? I would add that in the USSR, the depth of knowledge of history among schoolchildren was largely dependent on the charisma of the teacher to a greater extent than on the Ministry of Education. Today is the same.
                    1. Cadet
                      Cadet 15 December 2017 14: 47 New
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                      By the way, I took and taught several high school students how to get out of strength, to pull up and up with a coup, and at the expense of the majority, go to any class, preferably in the senior schools closest to you and conduct a survey on simple dates, so there’s nothing to do with charisma, just you need to go to work and get money for the knowledge that gave the student, and not for seniority and preferential pension. This does not apply to all educators.
                      1. ARES623
                        ARES623 16 December 2017 19: 15 New
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                        Quote: Cadet
                        By the way, he took and taught several high school students how to do the output of strength, to pull up and up with a coup

                        So you yourself write even illiterate, and take to teach. So, probably, and teach. Somewhere nearby, "near the target ....
                    2. Cadet
                      Cadet 16 December 2017 19: 59 New
                      +1
                      And YOU must have been twisted that people know how to do a coup d'etat, but YOU don’t?
                      1. ARES623
                        ARES623 16 December 2017 20: 17 New
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                        Quote: Cadet
                        And YOU must have been twisted that people know how to do a coup d'etat, but YOU don’t?

                        Something has moved, it's already half the battle wink . Essentially comments. If you took upon yourself the heavy burden of learning, it would not be bad to know what is correctly called what you are teaching. What you are trying to teach is called the "rise by the coup", exercise No. 6 by NFP, and the "rise by force". For me, in my age category, I’ve got a “bench press with my eyes lying” (under the supervision of a doctor) laughing
              3. sergo1914
                sergo1914 14 December 2017 10: 01 New
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                Quote: Finches
                I have the honor to know this problem from the inside and I want to say that right now the process of restoration of our education, totally destroyed in the 90s, and it is largely due to GDP, has begun! hi


                I also have the honor to know from the inside. The situation is somewhat different. The Ministry of Education is trying hard to break what has been created over the years. Another thing is that the system was very resistant to external influences. But in the minobra work true enthusiasts of their craft. Dumb, but executive. The foundation is washed out piece by piece.
              4. gm9019
                gm9019 18 December 2017 01: 08 New
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                Quote: Finches
                I am honored to know this problem from the inside.

                And I know this problem, this is my life at school from 1970 to 2015.
                I remember how proud we were of strong subject teachers, how our Soviet textbooks were published abroad and according to our system — a single plan, a single textbook, 4 exams for grade 8/9, 7 (seven!) Graduation exams.
                I remember how in the 90s the director said - teach how you find it necessary, but so that the children know chemistry. She wrote programs for each class and the children entered universities, and the word "tutor" was a synonym for the lack of brains and was pronounced in a whisper, shy.
                Now the "work program" for each class includes 60-70 pages of printed text. Reporting is such that it takes all the time.
                And add the parents, who, God forbid, can file a complaint for any reason. Whatever publication in the media - monster teachers, sadistic teachers, teachers - enemies of the people ... hence the attitude.
            2. SergF123
              SergF123 15 December 2017 08: 28 New
              +1
              I absolutely agree with you, just add one district police officer, a medical office and a school, as well as a house of culture and a center for children’s activities, so that there would be more children to occupy, more schools and vocational schools in the villages. How can one explain to 50% of the population that the merit of this is not due to the initiatives and reforms of those who are now in power, led by Pu ?!
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 09: 30 New
                +2
                Quote: SergF123
                just add one district police officer, a medical office and a school to each village, as well as a culture center and a center for children’s

                I live in a village in which there are 10 houses and two farms, do we build the same recreation center ?! laughing
                1. SergF123
                  SergF123 16 December 2017 10: 33 New
                  +1
                  Read my post carefully - this is the first, and the second of 10 houses is a farm, not a village! And the third - sometimes it’s better to chew than in real life to say what draws on the intellect of the mentally ill or underdeveloped
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2017 11: 59 New
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                    Quote: SergF123
                    10 houses is a farm, not a village!

                    Farm (plural number of farmsteads) - a small settlement consisting of one, sometimes several households; a separate peasant estate with a separate economy. A resident of the farm was called a farmer.

                    well this is so what would you know what a farm

                    Quote: SergF123
                    And the third - sometimes it’s better to chew than in real life to say what draws on the intellect of the mentally ill or underdeveloped

                    self-critical
                    1. SergF123
                      SergF123 19 December 2017 04: 33 New
                      +1
                      Ahhhaahh ... So 10 houses is not a farm ?! Haloperidol issued? Wikipedia expert ?!))))
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2017 08: 36 New
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                        Well, rudeness is certainly a weighty argument, and the village of Bystryanka somehow exists objectively
                        Bystryanka (until 1945 - Budwischken (Oberndorf): 1601 Budewegschen, 1626 Budischken, 1662 Budwischken) - a village in the Pravdinsky district of the Kaliningrad region. It is part of the Mozyr rural
                        It is located 64 km from the regional center, Kaliningrad (formerly Konigsberg). The river of the same name flows through the village - Bystryanka. As of November 06.11.2009, 10 - permanent residents - 7 people, temporary residents - XNUMX people. The main street of the village is called River.
                  2. turbris
                    turbris 16 December 2017 21: 05 New
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                    Quote: SergF123
                    sometimes it’s better to chew than in real life to say something that draws on the intellect of the mentally ill or underdeveloped

                    Do you think my friend that you are rude? Nobody speaks about your intellect, although of course there are questions. You can not restrain yourself - take a break from the Internet, do something useful, and not wipe your pants on the computer.
                    1. SergF123
                      SergF123 19 December 2017 04: 40 New
                      +2
                      No, it does not seem! Therefore, as I understand perfectly the difference between sanity and idle talk, a competent presentation of their thoughts in a dialogue where opponents respect each other and provocation is not essentially an insulting tone !!! So do not teach me how to respect my opponent, by the way, this also applies to you.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2017 08: 37 New
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                        sorry cons canceled
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 08: 47 New
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          Quote: Stroporez
          During the Putin years, about 30 thousand schools were liquidated !!!

          this figure is extremely incorrect
          a simple example was in the villages of 3 schools with understaffed classes, they built one large one, on paper two schools became smaller in real life this is not true
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 14 December 2017 08: 58 New
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            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            a simple example was in the villages of 3 schools with understaffed classes, they built one large one, on paper two schools became smaller in real life this is not true

            You can answer a simple question: why did the Bolsheviks set up so many hospitals, schools, institutes, hospitals, cultural centers, theaters, factories?
            Answer, and then we will begin to do arithmetic exercises! hi
            1. Finches
              Finches 14 December 2017 09: 18 New
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              You are talking about Thomas, and you are talking about Yerema — different political and economic systems, capitalism and socialism — that’s the essence! Under the USSR, it was possible to allow even inefficient institutions to be maintained, under capitalism it was a luxury for the state, so you need to combine something cut, in order to simply not waste the budget! Bad, good, but these are the realities of our time!
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 14 December 2017 09: 34 New
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                Quote: Finches
                You are talking about Thomas, and you are talking about Yerema - different political and economic systems, capitalism and socialism - that’s the essence of this!

                Do you offer me to clap this fact in your hands?
                Quote: Finches
                Under the USSR, it was possible to allow even inefficient institutions to be maintained; under capitalism, it was a luxury for the state

                To steal in thirty-three throats is not "luxury", but raise children at 4 in the morning, so that they can be taken to school for 30-40 miles - is this "luxury"?
                Quote: Finches
                Bad, good, but these are the realities of our time!

                Yes, I wanted to spit on these realities! The Constitution says that we have a social state. So the guarantor does not guarantee the implementation of the basic law of the country! Dot!!! soldier

                Article 7

                1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 14 December 2017 09: 40 New
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                  And where do you lead that this article is everywhere violated in our country - personally, I do not see this! Who wants to - he develops and provides himself with a decent life, who does not want to, whines that everything is bad, because Putin is stopping them ... I have a brother - an apartment in an elite house, three cars, spent the whole summer in Europe .. ., now it’s flown to Vietnam, it’s the same like you - Putin, he’s to blame for everything that he has no work, no education, industry is in the crap ... I don’t argue with him, I'm still older ... it’s funny to me when he starts to prove to me that the GDP shut off oxygen to him, especially when we have a drink in his huge living room with designer renovation! laughing
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 14 December 2017 10: 42 New
                    +9
                    Quote: Finches
                    In addition, a teacher, deputy head of the department at the Higher School!

                    And for me, even a negro of advanced years wassat
                    Quote: Finches
                    who does not want, he whines that everything is bad

                    I don’t whine, I ascertain the facts and such a current “basis” doesn’t suit me, and it won’t take root in Russia either.
                    Now the fate of my three children bothers me in what kind of society they will live, but what I am, I’m cut off a chunk, I have everything. And your brother is “pranking”, precisely because he visited geyropov and saw that there was cheese from cow’s milk "calamber" is called 1,2 euros. It costs even 80 rubles to ours, and not 450-500 from palm oil. Imported, pancake sad
                    Well, maybe watch a movie? so that I don’t empty-flood laughing
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 14 December 2017 11: 08 New
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                      Quote: Stroporez
                      And where do you lead that this article is everywhere violated in our country - personally, I do not see this! Who wants to - he develops and provides a decent life,

                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 11: 20 New
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                      Quote: Stroporez
                      I now have the fate of my three children

                      what last book did you take off read together, what movie did you watch and discuss ?!
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 14 December 2017 19: 38 New
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                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        what last book did you take off read together, what movie did you watch and discuss ?!

                        My elder in the original Remarque, Stendhal, Jack London, Galsworthy and Dickens reads in the original, after Moscow State University for 5 years she works as a translator in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, brings dad flags for business trips to the refrigerator good wink The average of the 31st will be 14, he reads what is asked at the Lyceum, and what he likes in accordance with his age yes , and soon the youngest will only be 6, while I have to read Russian folk tales fellow
                    3. Finches
                      Finches 14 December 2017 13: 07 New
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                      Sling cutter

                      I watched this film and watched and read a lot, but I have my own eyes and my own head on my shoulders! And I used to trust them, first of all, and my heart ... I have honor!
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 14 December 2017 15: 32 New
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                    Incidentally, I have repeatedly heard such statements from non-poor people, as well as overt hatred of the oligarchs, which can not be found even among the poorest segments of the population.
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 09: 43 New
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                  Quote: Stroporez
                  To steal in thirty-three throats is not "luxury", but raise children at 4 in the morning, so that they can be taken to school for 30-40 miles - is this "luxury"?

                  Dear, personally YOU raise children at 4 am ?!
                  I think that no, otherwise such a blizzard would not have been written
                  I live on the earth, I regularly observe this process, school buses start running from 8 am, delivery time plus or minus 20 minutes, I studied in the city 1-3 class, I traveled by public transport 4 stops, sometimes it was not possible to get out in such full transport, after studied in a 5-minute walk from home but in the classroom studied children who needed to get an hour, so delivery on school buses with what we had is an earthly paradise
                  1. Fox
                    Fox 14 December 2017 13: 47 New
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                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    school buses start running from 8 in the morning, delivery time plus minus 20 minutes,

                    og. at 6 00 the bus leaves. from school. at 8.00 it picks up the children. this is when there is no snowfall. the same way. total: 3 hours of pokatushek every day.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 13: 59 New
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                      Quote: Fox
                      og. at 6:00 a bus leaves. from school. at 8.00:XNUMX it picks up children.

                      firstly not from school, secondly why to 8
                      Quote: Fox
                      3 hours pokatushek every day.

                      do you have arithmetic problems ?!
                  2. Dedall
                    Dedall 14 December 2017 20: 23 New
                    +5
                    Almost all schools in Novocherkassk work in 2 shifts. The first one just starts at 8, so I had to get up at grades 1-3 at 6 o’clock. And at 4-7, my daughter studied in the second. The last lesson ended at 6 and I ran away from the building to meet.
                    As for the training system, the daughter taught chemistry in grades 10-11 from Glinka's textbook found on the mezzanines. Russian language was also studied according to the textbook of the 73rd issue. and in other subjects. She graduated from high school with honors.
                    All this I lead to the fact that the teaching of history is a political matter, but what did not satisfy the textbooks of chemistry, physics, and the same Russian language of the Soviet era from our shit and liberals?
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 22: 07 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dedall
                      Almost all schools in Novocherkassk work in 2 shifts. The first one just starts at 8, so I had to get up at grades 1-3 at 6 o’clock. And at 4-7, my daughter studied in the second. The last lesson ended at 6 and I ran away from the building to meet.

                      in the USSR, all sholas started at 8 and I didn’t get up in the 30th mode for 10 6 years when I went, although maybe those who go from the other end to us got to the physics and physics department at 6
                      Quote: Dedall
                      And at 4-7, my daughter studied in the second. The last lesson ended at 6 and I ran away from the building to meet.

                      from 4-6 grades I also studied in the second lesson, ended at half 7, no one ever met me, in the 9-10 grades there were 7 lessons each after 14-00
                    2. AllXVahhaB
                      AllXVahhaB 16 December 2017 19: 04 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dedall
                      All this I lead to the fact that the teaching of history is a political matter, but what did not satisfy the textbooks of chemistry, physics, and the same Russian language of the Soviet era from our shit and liberals?

                      Why should a consumer know chemistry, physics and the Russian language?
                  3. SergF123
                    SergF123 19 December 2017 05: 06 New
                    +1
                    What kind of impenetrable you are? Get out of the computer, get a ticket to Barnaul, then Kamensky district of Altai Territory, then to s. Dresvyanka - and so, school buses go to this village from neighboring villages with a distance of 20-30 km. on the roads, often without asphalt! So the blizzard here is raised by one who does not know the real state of things in the country!
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2017 08: 37 New
                      0
                      Quote: SergF123
                      So the blizzard here is raised by one who does not know the real state of things in the country!

                      You can clarify YOUR place of residence, I live on earth and write about what I know REALLY
                      1. SergF123
                        SergF123 19 December 2017 12: 01 New
                        +1
                        The information that I have already set out will be enough for you. If you live in warmth and comfort, this does not mean that children do not freeze somewhere - that’s all Russia, that’s why your REALITY is far from the REALITY existing in our country, and you just demonstrated it !!!
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 09: 28 New
              +3
              Quote: Stroporez
              You can answer a simple question: why did the Bolsheviks set up so many hospitals, schools, institutes, hospitals, cultural centers, theaters, factories?

              You all mixed in a bunch
              firstly, unfortunately, there are much more universities now
              secondly, hospitals and so on have nothing to do with the reduction of schools
              not the main thing under the Union, rural schools were built on the basis of the possibility of independent delivery of students, now school buses run and there are no problems delivering students for 10 km or more
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 14 December 2017 10: 04 New
                +9
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                firstly, unfortunately, there are much more universities now

                Commercial !!! And budget places are steadily reducing, as ped.composition is also reducing!
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                school buses run now and there is no problem delivering students for 10 km or more

                Have you been in a village for a long time? In our cities it’s not possible to drive everywhere, and in the villages, there are generally directions, the wheels of a jeep are pulled off. And the second moment, are you ready to raise your child or grandson at 4 in the morning in the winter to send him to school?
                Do you have a good idea of ​​the geography of the country? I report to you that, for example, in the Kirov region or the Perm region, from point A to point B- "half-elbow" on the map!
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                secondly, hospitals and so on have nothing to do with the reduction of schools

                I’m just saying that the trends in the collapse of education and medicine are absolutely identical.
                In general, watch a movie, a person has done a great job for 2 years to convey the whole truth. The film was shot with public money.
                There, by the way, there is a comparison with Belarus, which is not in our favor.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 11: 13 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Commercial !!! And budget places are steadily reducing, as ped.composition is also reducing!

                  Do you even read what is being answered?
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Have you been in a village for a long time?

                  Well, apparently, unlike you, I live here (in the "village")
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  And the second point, are you ready to raise your child or grandson at 4 in the morning in the winter to send him to school?

                  I remove the first question, what you wrote you DO NOT READ
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Are you ready to raise your child or grandson at 4 a.m. in winter to send him to school?

                  Do you need 4 hours to bring your child to school ?!
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  I report to you that, for example, in the Kirov region or Perm Territory, from point A to point B- "half-elbow" on the map!

                  Well, if an example, then let’s specifically where are which schools and how far is the school bus?
                  by the way quote quote quote completely
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  I’m just saying that the trends in the collapse of education and medicine are absolutely identical.

                  today's education systems are not of any level, but the reduction of schools has nothing to do with it; you, as today's managers, don’t know what you are writing about
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  In general, watch a movie, a person has done a great job for 2 years to convey the whole truth. The film was shot with public money.

                  by the way looked a lot agree in some places there is crap
                  1. Romey
                    Romey 14 December 2017 15: 16 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Commercial !!! And budget places are steadily reducing, as ped.composition is also reducing!

                    Do you even read what is being answered?

                    Let's try I answer. Schools in rural areas are being cut by formal incompleteness. This is a complex issue of social policy and demography. People are forced to leave the village and move to the city in search of work. Plus another demographic pit. And, often the only factor by which life is still warm in the village is the presence of a school. If we want to preserve the village as such, we need to fundamentally revise the economic component of state policy in this direction and stimulate the transfer of production to the countryside at least partially. Well, work on the infrastructure accordingly.
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Have you been in a village for a long time?

                    Well, apparently, unlike you, I live here (in the "village")

                    It so happened that most of his life, including military service, he lived in the countryside. I live now, so the problems of rural education are very close.
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Are you ready to raise your child or grandson at 4 a.m. in winter to send him to school?

                    Do you need 4 hours to bring your child to school ?!

                    You will not believe it, but even in the geographical center of Europe, there are still places where children have to get up taking into account the weather at 5 - 5.30 to get to the road and take the school bus.
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    I report to you that, for example, in the Kirov region or Perm Territory, from point A to point B- "half-elbow" on the map!

                    Well, if an example, then let’s specifically where are which schools and how far is the school bus?

                    The problem is not even the distance, but the timetable and the quantity and quality of rolling stock. Schools simply cannot afford to keep their buses in pairs for all occasions. Banal situation: the child remains on extra or on a circle, etc. The bus left and hi. So the children roam around the village in anticipation of a trip, which will come in about three hours. Of course, teachers try to occupy such as much as possible, but when will they then engage in idiotic writing to facilitate unbearable work of uncles and aunts in departments and ministries? And this despite the fact that there is a school in a rural settlement with a spread of students up to 15-20 km. But what if they leave one school for the entire district in the district center for 40 km, what is the point of the matter?
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

                    Quote: Stroporez
                    I’m just saying that the trends in the collapse of education and medicine are absolutely identical.

                    today's education systems are not of any level, but the reduction of schools has nothing to do with it; you, as today's managers, don’t know what you are writing about

                    Unfortunately, they are directly related. The problem, as I wrote above, is complex and, in connection with this, the question immediately arises of the accessibility of education. A school with a small number of children has even its advantages in contrast to the crowded classes of city schools, where the teacher can fully reveal all his abilities and work with full dedication if he is freed even from this paper and electronic idiocy. Briefly summarizing: a comprehensive approach to education on the part of the state is needed, without resorting to reductions, consolidations, optimizations as is customary now. I consider the best solution to carry out a large-scale counter-reform of the entire educational system, starting with the concept, ending with the methods, bringing it to the model of 1992 and only after that carefully look at what needs to be modernized and improved.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 15: 51 New
                      +1
                      Quote: romey
                      You will not believe it, but even in the geographical center of Europe, there are still places where children have to get up taking into account the weather at 5 - 5.30 to get to the road and take the school bus.

                      with the union they got up at 8 ?!
                      Quote: romey
                      The problem is not even the distance, but the timetable and the quantity and quality of rolling stock. Schools simply cannot afford to keep their buses in pairs for all occasions.

                      I'm talking about a specific region in which I live by the way schools and do not have buses, buses on the balance of administrations
                      Quote: romey
                      Banal situation: the child remains on extra or on a circle, etc. The bus left and hi.

                      and this is the administration’s disorder, we don’t have such a “schedule” is clearly adjusted to the school’s schedule
                      Quote: romey
                      But what if they leave one school for the entire district in the district center for 40 km, what is the point of the matter?

                      this was the case with the union in our city (now I’ve specifically measured it on the map) for 20 km we traveled by public transport by 8 in the morning
                      Quote: romey
                      A school with a small number of children has even its advantages in contrast to the crowded classes of city schools

                      it seems so, but in reality it’s not so much as in such a school teachers often combine the conduct of various subjects, accordingly worsening the quality of teaching
                    2. AllXVahhaB
                      AllXVahhaB 16 December 2017 19: 17 New
                      0
                      Quote: romey
                      If we want to preserve the village as such, we need to fundamentally revise the economic component of state policy in this direction and stimulate the transfer of production to the countryside at least partially.

                      And what is the point of preserving the village? Or is it an end in itself?
                      1. Romey
                        Romey 16 December 2017 19: 27 New
                        +1
                        Quote: AllXVahhaB
                        Quote: romey
                        If we want to preserve the village as such, we need to fundamentally revise the economic component of state policy in this direction and stimulate the transfer of production to the countryside at least partially.

                        And what is the point of preserving the village? Or is it an end in itself?

                        There are many meanings. Starting from addressing food security issues ending with a healthy lifestyle. But since this is still a military review, there is also a defense aspect. You see, in wartime, modern megacities represent a huge mousetrap for the people living in them ... And, excuse me, Russia without a village is no longer Russia.
                  2. Dedall
                    Dedall 14 December 2017 20: 27 New
                    +2
                    I read your opus and was surprised at illiteracy. Sorry, of course, because in a decent society, torn pants are trying not to notice, but then I had to ...
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 14 December 2017 21: 00 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Dedall
                      I read your opus and was surprised at illiteracy. Sorry, of course, because in a decent society, torn pants are trying not to notice, but then I had to ...

                      Colleague hi I strongly apologize, but please write at least not quotes, but to which of the colleagues do you contact yes Comments are layered and it is not clear who the recipient is. drinks
                      1. Dedall
                        Dedall 14 December 2017 21: 13 New
                        +4
                        Dear Stroporez, I'm sorry, but I wrote in response to the replicas of a certain Vasilenko. This fruit of modern education is already very aggressive.
                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 22: 09 New
                      0
                      arguments over ?!
                  3. SergF123
                    SergF123 19 December 2017 12: 03 New
                    +1
                    Yes! It is a pity that the minuses were canceled, you would not have climbed out of them with your worldview!
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 20 December 2017 11: 41 New
                      0
                      my friend, you carefully look at the date of registration and you will understand that I’ve been on the site almost since its inception
                2. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 16 December 2017 19: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  I report to you that, for example, in the Kirov region


                  You throw off specific coordinates to us, and we will go for a ride on a Google mobile and see ...
            3. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 16 December 2017 18: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: Stroporez
              You can answer a simple question: why did the Bolsheviks set up so many hospitals, schools, institutes, hospitals, cultural centers, theaters, factories?
              Answer, and then we will begin to do arithmetic exercises!

              Are you familiar with the plan implementation and overfulfillment system?
              Do not you remember how, by pulling, they were looking for scarce goods, while stores were littered with illiquid products? Why did their “Bolsheviks" produce so many?
              Answer, and then we will begin to do arithmetic exercises!
          2. Cadet
            Cadet 14 December 2017 12: 40 New
            +5
            Hmm, and then who is to blame for the fact that there were three schools in the village and there were two or only one left, maybe the party’s wise policy is that it rushed to chop and break everything in villages and villages, people began to leave, wages fell significantly. They came to their senses when they imposed sanctions, they remembered about agricultural all of a sudden and now, and realized that there were ..... there were a lot of things. Do you want an example? Previously, in a small town or village they could have removed appendicitis, now this is not even done in many district hospitals, they are being taken to the nearest city.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 13: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Cadet
              Earlier in a small town or village could remove appendicitis

              Well, you bent it
              Quote: Cadet
              now this is not even done in many district hospitals; they are being taken to the nearest city.

              here yes but not for the reason that they can’t but simply don’t want, and an ambulance is easier to take a patient for 3 hours than to dangle on calls
              1. Cadet
                Cadet 14 December 2017 16: 20 New
                +2
                I didn’t bend, but I know for sure
              2. Koshak
                Koshak 14 December 2017 18: 25 New
                +2
                "and an ambulance is easier to carry a patient for 3 hours than to dangle on calls"

                during these hours the patient may not be taken crying
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 12: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: Koshak
                  and this patient’s watch may not be delivered

                  that's another question can
              3. Dedall
                Dedall 14 December 2017 20: 43 New
                +3
                And again I’m forced to note that your opponent is absolutely right. And here I can say, as a doctor, that rural hospitals killed all sorts of certifications first of all. This is to say that in order to get the right to perform operations and receive medical patients, two separate courses of surgery and therapy are required. And 2 doctors, in general, are not needed in the village and the solution would be to combine them in one person. Read Bulgakov about this.
                But the next reason for the closure of medical facilities in the village is again a drop in the level of training at medical universities and other medical academies. It comes to the point that the young doctor writes “piracetamol” in prescriptions. When I asked him about the cause of the error, he stated that the drug was intended to lower the temperature, and the Greek "pyros" means "flame." That’s what he carried out the theoretical basis for illiteracy.
                1. Cadet
                  Cadet 14 December 2017 21: 00 New
                  +2
                  He completes the course, receives a diploma at the medical university, and three, four people, and sometimes five, are going to work in the profession, but every year the rector cheerfully reports about the competition for the place and the increase in prices for studies. It’s familiar that a friend’s daughter received a diploma this year and her mother has been working in medicine for a long time.
                2. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 16 December 2017 19: 22 New
                  0
                  Quote: Dedall
                  It comes to the point that the young doctor writes “piracetamol” in prescriptions.

                  Judging by the handwriting of the doctors, they can write anything laughing
        3. Hoc vince
          Hoc vince 14 December 2017 18: 49 New
          +1
          "... the state has destroyed the initial system ..."
          Our students are the coolest in reading in the world. Russian fourth-graders today read and understand what they read better than their peers from Singapore, Hong Kong (China) and Finland - and these countries, let it be known, are long-standing leaders in the quality of school education.
          A total of 50 countries participated in the international study.
          Is this not a real reason for pride? Over the past 15 years, Russia has improved results by more than 40 points.
        4. Overlock
          Overlock 14 December 2017 23: 43 New
          +1
          But why is this power a smart, educated person? After all, smart and educated, sooner or later, will begin to ask questions that the authorities have no answer to. The authorities are easier with the stupid - the box looks, votes as it should, does not ask questions.
          so that everything goes according to the plan outlined by the great Pu.
        5. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 16 December 2017 18: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Stroporez
          And most importantly, education has become paid, and this leads to class differentiation of the population!

          You, apparently, also did not watch the movie carefully. What are the classes? In the bourgeois world, everything is determined not by the estate, but by income and property. What the film says.
    2. Alber
      Alber 14 December 2017 06: 47 New
      +8
      Quote: 210ox
      What is the future for the country ..?! With such an education? Nothing ... Unfortunately ... And the main thing is that the demands to stop this mess in education run into a blank wall.

      Duc and with the culture of today, the Midinsky, Serebryakov and other Swiss ...
    3. Alena Frolovna
      Alena Frolovna 14 December 2017 06: 48 New
      16
      "If you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children."

      Basilashvili’s character, Lakhnovsky from Ivanov’s novel Eternal Call, spoke well of this.

      Arnold Mikhalych Lakhnovsky’s discussions about the future of Russia during World War II, when a turning point was already outlined and it was closer to Victory.

      - I’m explaining to you ... In this century (twentieth) we can no longer win. The current generation of people in Russia is too fanatical. To frenzy. Wars usually weakened any people, because, in addition to the physical extermination of a significant part of the people, they uprooted its spiritual roots, trampled and destroyed the most basic foundations of its morality. Burning books, destroying historical monuments, setting up stables in museums and temples ... Hitler also pursues the same goal. But too numerous, whether, this damn your soviet people... Or is it some special and incomprehensible ... And as a result of the war, he does not weaken, but becomes stronger, his fanaticism and faith in victory do not decrease, but all increase. Hitler cannot understand this, and if he understood, he would somehow try to get out of the war. So, he is doomed, and his empire, his thousand-year Reich, on the eve of the collapse ... So, we need to act in a different way. Remember, of course, your Lenin once said: we will go the other way. I read somewhere or heard in a movie ... Well, a good phrase. So we will go another way. We will pull these are the spiritual roots of Bolshevism, defame and destroy the main foundations of folk morality. In this way we will shake generation after generation, weaken this Leninist fanaticism. We will take on people from childhood, youth, we will always make the main bet on young people, we will begin to corrupt, corrupt, and corrupt it! - Lakhnovsky's wrinkled eyelids quickly and often twitched, his eyes went round, they splashed in them, furious fire flashed, he began to speak louder and louder, and at the end he literally cried out: - Yes, corrupt! Corrupt! We will make cynics, vulgarities, cosmopolitans of them!

      “Now it’s hard to imagine all this ... for you.” Because your head is not filled with what, say, with me. You didn’t think about the future. The war will end - everything will somehow settle down, settle down. And we will throw everything that we have, with what we have ... all the gold, all the material power to fool and fool people! The human brain, the consciousness of people is capable of change. Having sowed chaos there, we discreetly replace their values ​​with false ones and force them to believe in these false values! How do you ask? How?!

      Lakhnovsky, as he spoke, began again, for the umpteenth time, to become excited, to run around the room.

      - We will find like-minded people ... our allies and assistants in Russia itself! - shouted, cried out Lakhnovsky.

      - And not even that word - we will find ... We will educate them! We will do them as much as necessary! And then, hereafter ... from all sides - outside and inside, we will begin to decompose ... now, of course, monolithic, as your rulers and societies like to say. We, like worms, will corrode this monolith, perforate it.

      - And when there will be many such people who care about it, things will be done quickly. We will interpret the entire history of Russia, the history of the people as spiritless, as a kingdom of continuous obscurantism and reaction. Gradually, step by step, we will erase the historical memory of all people. And with a people deprived of such a memory, you can do anything. A people that has ceased to be proud of the past, has forgotten the past, will not understand the present either. He will become indifferent to everything, dumb and eventually turn into a herd of cattle. What is required! What is required!

      The epic novel “The Eternal Call” (written in 1963 — 1975, published by 1970 — 1976) for a quarter century has been a reference book in every house where Russia was loved and honored by a man of labor.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 14 December 2017 07: 08 New
        14
        education, by the way, didn’t ruin the hunchbacks, and it wasn’t Yeltsin ... it’s me who speaks like “Mikhan”, to “Zaputins” ... education has systematically degraded, under the current leadership, and all education. population routine continues.
        1. Finches
          Finches 14 December 2017 08: 39 New
          +4
          Do you judge this just to write something or have something to do with education? You are now in one fell swoop insulted a huge number of educators, educators, teachers and teachers!
          The system of the Soviet school was destroyed in the 90s and it was only during Putin's time that the understanding came of how to build this system again so that it would work for the country, but be integrated into the existing realities of our time, taking into account the globalization of society, but also taking into account our centuries-old traditions, including the experience of the Soviet school! Which, by the way, in the framework of healthy conservatism was based on imperial pre-revolutionary education: fundamentalism and academicism. This is precisely the course that is now taken in our education ... The only thing to build is not to break it! Years and big money!
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 14 December 2017 08: 53 New
            +7
            Quote: Finches
            Do you judge this just to write something or have something to do with education?

            teacher's wife.
            Quote: Finches
            You are now in one fell swoop insulted a huge number of educators, educators, teachers and teachers!

            in what way? they are in the know ... it always makes you something from the truth. request
            Quote: Finches
            It was in Putin’s time that the understanding came of how to build this system again so that it works for the country,

            are you out of your mind at all? write nonsense nonsense! Do you work as a "bot"? what
            1. Finches
              Finches 14 December 2017 08: 59 New
              +4
              Try not to be rude and maybe we will get a dialogue! hi
              So you insulted your wife too - she, in your own words, a loafer does nothing, therefore her students are degrading ...
              1. Grandfather
                Grandfather 14 December 2017 09: 15 New
                +5
                Quote: Finches
                Try not to be rude and maybe we will get a dialogue! hi
                So you insulted your wife too - she, in your own words, a loafer does nothing, therefore her students are degrading ...

                dialogue with you, thank you! your blah blah blah, I know .. here, people are smarter than you listen to at least ... adyes ..
                1. Finches
                  Finches 14 December 2017 09: 21 New
                  +3
                  “blah, blah, blah”, it’s more suitable for your rhetoric, but I won’t say anything for myself and I’ll listen to smart people with pleasure, I’m ready to listen to you too, but you are okrom bile and don’t write anything! without making an attempt to think ... Why so? Someone offended you?
                  1. Grandfather
                    Grandfather 14 December 2017 10: 18 New
                    +9
                    Quote: Finches
                    I’m ready to listen to you too, but you don’t write anything sensible about bile, smear everyone with black paint without making an attempt to think.

                    Zyablintsev, are you trolling, or do you really understand nothing? teachers and
                    teachers at universities are constrained by the program that they are obliged to give, they are forced to teach materials that the Ministry gives them, I’m not about exact sciences, but about the same History, for example, but it was already redrawn and stung to horror, as a result, the student remains only a superficial knowledge of the subject, in principle, is semi-illiterate. (Look, for example, polls in YouTube), but we already have a “half-juvenile”, children are “sacred,” neither can I make a remark, nor punish it. they learned this very well, as well as the fact that teachers can be sent in three letters, and there will be nothing, you can call names and humiliate, disrupt lessons and just ignore, that's the reality. I’m here after the night shift, I’ll cook dinner, and I’ll go to meet my wife, because she’s really scared to leave the techie alone, there were already threats (to gather the boys). It’s impossible to influence the situation, the Law allows a lot of “children”. how do you like that? if you’re really off topic, just go on the Internet, you will discover a lot of interesting things for yourself, and maybe your pink glasses will fall off ...
                    1. Andrey Yuryevich
                      Andrey Yuryevich 14 December 2017 10: 28 New
                      11
                      Quote: Dead Day
                      Zyablintsev, are you trolling, or do you really understand nothing? teachers and
                      teachers at universities are constrained by the program that they are obliged to give, they are forced to teach materials that the Ministry gives them,

                      I understand you very well, my wife is in the same mirror situation. children became monsters, and with the filing of the state. nightmare textbooks in various publications and interpretations. poor teachers are helpless and defenseless, both before "children" and before the system. Parents who grew up in the 90s all on the drum, this is a generation of "Klinsky". and yes ... our education is rolling in ... there. recourse
                    2. Cadet
                      Cadet 14 December 2017 12: 57 New
                      +7
                      You write that the remark cannot be made to the student, and things are better in the army, you can’t raise your voice, you can’t punish, loads can’t be much commanders will soon wipe their priests or mothers will write to the district commander that they fed them buckwheat for a whole week in the morning and evening as a result of which they have stress.
                      1. Romey
                        Romey 14 December 2017 14: 22 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Cadet
                        You write that the remark cannot be made to the student, and things are better in the army, you can’t raise your voice, you can’t punish, loads can’t be much commanders will soon wipe their priests or mothers will write to the district commander that they fed them buckwheat for a whole week in the morning and evening as a result of which they have stress.

                        By the way, yes ... This is another aspect. Regarding the upbringing of the next generation, it is absolutely precisely noticed. We now have the following: in kindergartens, bad teachers, you know, did not teach my child to go to the potty and did not prepare for school, bad teachers did not teach and educate at school (now they have no time at all, they need to write paper and fill out an electronic crap) therefore my child is so lazy and inert, and the bad officers in the army, you see, spread rot on a hefty eighteen-year-old forehead with brains and thinking frozen somewhere between seven and ten years old, but with the needs of an established thirty-year-old man. Attention to the question: what did these same 18 years old parents do? Answer: but nothing. Absolutely. Of course, we ourselves cannot correct the education system, but to discipline our child and to accustom him to duties and responsibility for our actions completely. I’m quite conservative and my wife and I are guided by the old Cossack principle: no snot and sugar, if you got a podzhopnik from the teacher in the kindergarten, you earned it, and there’s nothing to overeat if you screwed up at school (seriously, of course, you shouldn’t bend the stick), then get mothers with a towel or from a bati of a good old belt, if you are negligent in your studies and service, then do not call and do not ask your father to beat you off. Well, of course, responsibilities ...
                      2. Dedall
                        Dedall 14 December 2017 20: 49 New
                        +2
                        In-in! This is especially true of the current Chechens. The kids went completely uncontrollable, who from all military service consider only the shooting they need. The rest of the time they are sitting in medical posts and the commanders cannot say a word.
                    3. marline
                      marline 14 December 2017 17: 01 New
                      +1
                      In principle, I agree with most of what you wrote ... kids now of course ... but not all, thank God ...
                      But here is one point:
                      Quote: Dead Day
                      ... teachers at universities are constrained by the program that they are obliged to give, they are forced to teach materials that the Ministry gives them ...

                      What materials does the Ministry give them? Did you just compare the old Soviet GOS and the new GEF? They are in the internet in the public domain. So in GOS, all the main items were painted by the clock, now we have blocks in which you can include anything and even blocks not in the clock in mythical ZETs. Previously, for each subject there were DE - didactic units, i.e. those questions that the student should know. What now - COMPETENCE! They are formulated according to the principle - “to know and be able to apply knowledge of history in the household”. The entire program, as far as I know, remains on the conscience of the teacher, at best with a formal check by the administration. In fact, they teach what they want ...
                      No, maybe I don’t know something, so enlighten ...
                    4. Finches
                      Finches 14 December 2017 18: 06 New
                      +2
                      Grandfather

                      I won’t argue with you - maybe everything is really bad there and the teachers are clamped by something - I don’t know, anything can happen! But, I will speak personally for myself - I teach how I consider it necessary and what I consider necessary, naturally within certain frameworks of the curriculum! My colleagues do the same, devoting a lot of time to educational work. The discipline is excellent ... I don’t have pink glasses for a long time - I repeat here 100 times on the site: I served in military service, then I studied at a military school, commanded a platoon, company, communications center, battalion ..., I didn’t take part in real military operations I won’t lie, so I stood by my side, during the time of Serdyukovshchina it was his orders that he was sent to teach at the military institute! For 7 years I had to comprehend and still comprehend this science! From an ordinary teacher to the deputy head of the department! I own the atmosphere, I’m sorry, I don’t know how to whine! There are problems, but the movement in the field of education from recourse has gone ahead! Point! It hasn’t come to everything yet, but it depends on the personality of the particular person of the teacher — more here, not from the minister, not from Putin, but only from the Teacher — everything depends on the Teacher! I have the honor! hi
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          2. a housewife
            a housewife 14 December 2017 11: 34 New
            +7
            Exactly. I feel sorry for my daughter. She wanted to teach history. She SAMA made efforts for this. She studied well. The exam passed perfectly. The entire 11th grade went to university for courses. Received. On a budget. Graduated with honors. He is currently teaching at a rural school. Low salary. But she likes to work at school. I mean, if someone wants to study, he will study. In Russia at different times there were different education systems. And at the same time, there were always educated people, middle peasants and the bulk of idlers, in which it was simply impossible to “shove” knowledge. With any education system. That teachers need to increase salaries, but only for now words-words. About the "children get." I don’t know, it seems to me that in general there should be more public transport in the countryside, namely public transport. And schoolchildren are provided with school buses to help them. We have in Adygea recently 11 more new buses added.
          3. turbris
            turbris 14 December 2017 22: 48 New
            0
            We have a normal education system, and it will be even better when all schools receive high-speed Internet, digital textbooks, computers and projectors, new programs will be developed using modern teaching aids, and most importantly, when the teachers themselves learn to use all this. The situation is the same in healthcare. And the groans about the Soviet education system are absolutely in vain, each system must develop and the modern education system has not appeared from scratch. And Zyablitsov absolutely specifically outlined the course of its development. And the comments of bloggers who have fallen into criticism simply say that they don’t know the subject, they studied for a very long time, and remained at this level, and some of them that they knew before, now they don’t remember.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 22: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: turbris
              it will be even better when all schools get high-speed Internet, digital textbooks, computers and projectors

              Do you think that this is all tied up?
              this was not in the Union, but the Soviet orbital stations were
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 08: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: Dead Day
          I appeal to the "Zaputinians"

          "house 2" also organized the GDP? !!!
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 14 December 2017 08: 54 New
            +9
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote: Dead Day
            I appeal to the "Zaputinians"

            "house 2" also organized the GDP? !!!

            no, but he doesn’t mind apparently ...
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 09: 53 New
              +2
              and how he should be against, we have the same freedom of speech and lack of ideology enshrined in the constitution
              1. Grandfather
                Grandfather 14 December 2017 10: 19 New
                +6
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                and how he should be against, we have the same freedom of speech and lack of ideology enshrined in the constitution

                bingo! take the candy ...
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 14 December 2017 07: 15 New
        +3
        A people that has ceased to be proud of the past, has forgotten the past, will not understand the present either. He will become indifferent to everything, dumb and eventually turn into a herd of cattle.


        Ah Lakhnovsky ... Lakhnovsky ... as he looked into the water ...
        I will add however my fly in the ointment ... asking a question ... why the Soviet Union collapsed so quickly ... why the Soviet ideology was fragile inside the soul of the party apparatus of the USSR ...
        why the decay rot did not go from below but from above the SOVIET PEOPLE ... why the Communist party bonzes so quickly turned into bourgeois ...
        it means the matter is not only what Lakhnovsky said ... it means the ideology of communism could not overcome human greed, meanness, self-interest, self-fear in the end .. sitting and disguised in the low corners of human consciousness and crawling out under favorable conditions.
        Is there an ideology capable of overcoming this today ... what I think not yet.
        1. dSK
          dSK 14 December 2017 09: 43 New
          +5
          Hello Alexey!
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          the ideology of communism could not overcome human greed, meanness, selfishness,
          "God's commandments"is the original, and"Communist Builder Code"- plagiarism.
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Is there an ideology capable of overcoming this today ...

          There is such a party! (ideology) Born more than 2000 years ago. Jesus Christ never said about the overthrow of "corrupt" power. All of it "Good news"- call for honest fulfillment of the “official” duties of the main ideologists of that time - the Pharisees: Matthew 23: 27-28 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, that you are likened to colored tombs that seem beautiful on the outside, and inside are full of dead bones and all impurities; in appearance you seem righteous to people, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. " hi
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 14 December 2017 10: 07 New
            +8
            Quote: dsk
            Hello Alexey!
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            the ideology of communism could not overcome human greed, meanness, selfishness,
            "God's commandments"is the original, and"Communist Builder Code"- plagiarism.
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Is there an ideology capable of overcoming this today ...

            There is such a party! (ideology) Born more than 2000 years ago. Jesus Christ never said about the overthrow of "corrupt" power. All of it "Good news"- call for honest fulfillment of the “official” duties of the main ideologists of that time - the Pharisees: Matthew 23: 27-28 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, that you are likened to colored tombs that seem beautiful on the outside, and inside are full of dead bones and all impurities; in appearance you seem righteous to people, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. " hi


            I understand correctly that all believers - examples of a real person - are honest, decent, not money-givers, do not look at their neighbor’s wife? Or sin, and then repent? And then what is the superiority of the repentant over the unrepentant, if the misconduct is perfect and there are victims? Especially for the victims.
            1. a housewife
              a housewife 14 December 2017 11: 47 New
              +5
              True believers - yes, samples. deliberately sin, then repent - this notion of sinners, for their justification. At heart, they do not believe in God, nominal Christians. But a true Christian, led by the Spirit of God, is afraid of sin, like filth and filth. He does not sin simply. It can sin through ignorance (for example, tell a lie, sure that it speaks correctly, by mistake, understand?). The apostle Paul called himself the most sinner. Because he considered his tiniest flaws a sin. But when asked, since he became a Christian, but remained a sinner - what is the difference with the fact that he was a sinner before baptism. Paul replied: “I was a sinner running towards sin. And now I am a sinner running away from sin!”
          2. zoolu350
            zoolu350 15 December 2017 06: 03 New
            +1
            Oh well. As you look at the top of the Russian Orthodox Church, you will feel the complete failure of Yeshua’s ideas even in the organization created by his follower Shimon (Peter).
        2. zoolu350
          zoolu350 15 December 2017 06: 00 New
          +1
          Ideology is able to overcome this, but it takes time, 50 years of Stalinist socialism, I think is enough to move to another level.
      3. Terenin
        Terenin 14 December 2017 10: 46 New
        +7
        Anyway, a new tree will grow from a rotten stump smile
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 11: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: Terenin
          Anyway, a new tree will grow from a rotten stump

          from decayed when, from the felled
    4. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 14 December 2017 09: 25 New
      10
      Quote: 210ox
      What is the future for the country ..?! With such an education? Nothing ... Unfortunately ... And the main thing is that the demands to stop this mess in education run into a blank wall.

      I can’t read calmly articles about our educational system. The creatures who are responsible for its collapse must be drowned on the fairway. Greedy animals that got to power in Russia not only steal billions from the country's population, but also deliberately debilitate citizens. The country's leadership - complete bastards, this is obvious.
      1. dSK
        dSK 14 December 2017 11: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Antianglosaks
        It is obvious.
        Evolution, Not Revolution. Jesus Christ spoke not obvious things"May the greater of you be your servant: for he who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. "" Evade evil and do good, "improve your life in legal, legal ways, it is very difficult. hi
      2. turbris
        turbris 14 December 2017 22: 54 New
        +1
        Anti-anglosax - yes you calm down - everyone studies in our educational system and achieve very good results even at the international level. But you don’t know this, all the time it takes to fight greedy animals, judging by your comments, you don’t even have to deliberate some citizens on purpose — they coped.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 23: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: turbris
          Yes, you calm down - everyone studies in our educational system and achieve very good results even at the international level

          who is all this ?!
          name last
          1. turbris
            turbris 15 December 2017 11: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            who is all this ?!
            name last

            Well, read on the Internet, everything is written there - how our students performed at international competitions in chemistry, biology and other various competitions, I am too lazy to honestly search and show you the facts, type in a search engine a request and read.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 12: 19 New
              0
              Quote: turbris
              Well read on the Internet, everything is written there

              laziness then do not write, the question is not about 10 schoolchildren but about the mass, if the schoolchildren said in a poll that he didn’t know who Denis Davydov or Georgy Zhukov would be, the school director and history teacher would fly like birds, but now this is the norm


              p / s / you’re not from WADA for an hour, they want the same to be proved by others
              1. turbris
                turbris 15 December 2017 15: 12 New
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                p / s / you’re not from WADA for an hour, they want the same to be proved by others

                And you are by chance not from the prosecutor's office? And then you demand all the evidence and call the facts articles from the yellow press.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 17 December 2017 19: 37 New
                  0
                  Quote: turbris
                  call facts from the yellow press.

                  for example?
    5. iouris
      iouris 14 December 2017 12: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      What is the future for the country ..?! With such an education?

      I will open your eyes: the country is already in the future. Kohl, with German money, is traveling from the city of Urengoy to the Federal Republic of Germany, speaking in the "city of the Bundestag" ... Everything is going according to plan.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 December 2017 07: 10 New
    +9
    With today's education system, we can safely say that the future can be dire. People who do not know the history (genuine, but not tortured by a certain layer) of their country, convinced that everyone decides money, does not know how to speak (write) correctly in their native language, admire imaginary Western freedoms simply cannot save their country. So, once again they will try to give under external control the most "democratic" overseas. The main thing is that he himself could eat bread with butter and caviar, and the country is not a pity.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 08: 50 New
      +8
      Quote: rotmistr60
      People who do not know the history (genuine, and not extorted by a certain layer) of their country

      unfortunately they don’t know not only history, but also math and much more
      By the way, on this very site I once commented on "pidAgog" and argued that "zh" "shi" do not need to learn comp, it will fix one thing
    2. turbris
      turbris 14 December 2017 23: 05 New
      0
      rotmistr60 - do you have anything to do with the education system? Have you ever been taught? Maybe they occupied any position in this system? So boldly bury the current education system, maybe you took students offsets in history, in mathematics, and therefore evaluate the level of knowledge this way? And you, by the boy from Urengoy, do you judge everyone like that? You see how many questions and the last one, do you even have a higher education? Only honestly!
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 15 December 2017 02: 19 New
        +1
        And I have a higher education (in addition, I also have Higher courses), and a strong one is Soviet, and I had to teach and take tests (exams), moreover, in adults. But you, apparently, except for unreasonable criticism did not do anything. Regarding schoolchildren’s knowledge of history, it’s worth looking at repeated street polls and everything falls into place. Senior schoolchildren float on basic questions: when did the 2nd MV, WWII ...
        1. turbris
          turbris 15 December 2017 11: 20 New
          +2
          rotmistr60 - No, they didn’t guess - I taught at the higher military school for 10 years, being a pensioner and you know I’m lucky, I haven’t met outright ignoramuses there, and therefore I don’t agree with you about the deplorable future of Russia. Street polls - this is not an objective matter, but as for history - this is generally a difficult thing, each government interprets events in its own way and it’s very difficult to understand everything, especially for children. It is time for the scientific community to decide on a single interpretation of various historical events.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 08: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: turbris
        maybe you took tests in history, in mathematics from your students and therefore evaluate the level of knowledge in this way?

        I don’t have, a familiar teacher at the university in horror, I myself am faced with miscarriages of the exam if I talked through no, I probably would have beaten DEBILOV
        1. turbris
          turbris 15 December 2017 11: 27 New
          +2
          Vasilenko Vladimir - and it seems to me that the knowledge received by students is greatly influenced by the level of teaching at the university, you need to be a teacher not in horror, but to improve your methodological skills, and most importantly, to know your subject deeply, which is not common. And blaming everything on the exam is very fashionable, but the exam in the entire education system is only one day of monitoring the level of knowledge gained, and what do they do the rest of the time?
        2. marline
          marline 15 December 2017 16: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          ... the familiar teacher at the university is terrified, I myself am confronted with miscarriages of the exam if I talked through no, I probably would have beaten dEbilov

          Wow, in my native alma mater, now the first year begins with LIKBEZ, but what does the USE have to do with it? Just, as the saying goes, they’ll pick up on the ad.
          You at the next meeting with a friend, take a better interest in how the selection commissions are working today - he’s also a circus with horses)
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 19: 04 New
            0
            Quote: merlin
            only here with the exam

            For admission to the university, the applicant must pass the entrance exams in the form of the exam. The list of entrance exams is approved by the Ministry of Education and Science
            1. marline
              marline 15 December 2017 21: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              For admission to the university, the applicant must pass the entrance exams in the form of the exam. The list of entrance exams is approved by the Ministry of Education and Science

              OOOOOO! Captain obvious!
              Dostoevsky has a wonderful work, the title of which perfectly characterizes this post of yours. And to think about what I wrote weakly in the post? I begin to doubt that you have finished the physics department.
              The leading question, why then are the selection commissions at universities, if everything is done by the Ministry?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 17 December 2017 19: 39 New
                0
                Each university is obliged to take the exam results as an entrance exam. But some universities in certain specialties (usually creative) also require additional tests. At Lomonosov Moscow State University, their own additional tests in addition to the exam are the norm.
                1. marline
                  marline 18 December 2017 08: 25 New
                  0
                  Yeah ... I tell you about Thomas - you tell me about Yerema. Each university has a selection committee. Comrade demagogue, answer one simple question - what do the members of the selection committee do, in addition to accepting applicants' documents?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 December 2017 10: 33 New
                    0
                    Quote: merlin
                    . Each university has a selection committee. Comrade demagogue, answer one simple question - what do the members of the selection committee do, in addition to accepting applicants' documents?

                    is this an exam ?!
                    the selection committee is involved in many and not only examinations itself, for example, acceptance of documents
                    1. marline
                      marline 18 December 2017 10: 41 New
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Quote: merlin
                      What do the members of the selection committee do, in addition to accepting documents from applicants?

                      for example acceptance of documents

                      Hand face. I think I have nothing more to tell you))))
  3. Prole
    Prole 14 December 2017 08: 13 New
    +5
    Teachers should be taken at least after work in the workplace. And preferably older than forty. Accordingly, the salary should be at the level. School management should be elective, from the team. Appointers, as a rule, either don’t know the work or in the priest’s bosses drop in and don’t care about anything else. The school needs a practice of removal from the educational process. Yes, not according to the constitution, but there are children who do not belong in school because of their antisocial behavior. I don’t know whose problem it is, but certainly not those who want to study.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 08: 52 New
      +8
      Quote: Prole
      Teachers need to be taken at least after work in production

      that's cool
      and who should work as a teacher of history or a foreign language? !!!
      Quote: Prole
      And preferably over forty

      and up to 40 he forgive me for what he studied at the university he will not forget for 15-30 years, then? !!!!
  4. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 14 December 2017 08: 48 New
    +3
    that is, we all want to shift the shoulders of other aunts and uncles and do not want to raise children ourselves?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 09: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: Rey_ka
      and we don’t want to raise children ourselves?

      there cannot be education only in the family or only in school
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  6. marline
    marline 14 December 2017 09: 20 New
    +5
    The article is superficial and nothing. It is focused, first of all, on scolding the government, and not on clarifying the real problems of education. And although now they throw me slippers, because now it is in fashion to scold the oligarchs, and not try to figure it out, I’ll write my IMHO, because I'm tired of reading nonsense ...
    Firstly, the article reveals an insidious plan for the collapse of education. I would like to remind the author, carried away by conspiracy theology, that the world is governed not by a secret box, but by a great mess. Yes, in the USSR the education system was primarily oriented towards society and provided all its members with equal rights to receive it, but even then not everyone received even secondary education — some simply did not need it. Now even higher education has almost become the norm, which was not in the USSR.
    However, the fact that the quality of education has fallen is undeniable, what are the reasons for this, first of all:
    1. Teacher. In the USSR, the teacher’s profession was quite prestigious (it’s enough to compare Soviet films, for example, “We'll live till Monday,” and say modern, “the geographer drank the globe” to understand the view of this profession then and now) and paid. Therefore, then teachers became, not those graduates of pedagogical universities who for some reason can’t find a higher-paying job for themselves, but as they say "by vocation."
    Teachers in the USSR also had undeniable authority: in the vast majority of cases, according to the teacher’s complaint about the student’s negligence, the latter received additional stimulation at home from the parent, usually with a belt. What do we see now? Pupils already allow themselves to be assaulted, and the poor teacher simply has nothing to answer, because the students cannot be touched with a finger - they’re too old. And this is, above all, the problem of parenting in the family, and not the state program.
    2. Demography. In the USSR there were simply more school-age children. Schools often worked in three shifts, respectively, and there was high competition among students. In the USSR, there was simply no situation where the number of places in higher education institutions exceeded the number of graduates, and the quality of education in such universities, due to high competition (compare the competition to Soviet universities and modern ones), was naturally higher. How did this happen? Here is really the fault of our minobra - in the 90s, even vocational schools became universities, received accreditation, as the number of branches of second-class universities, which often did not even have a minimum material base, grew by leaps and bounds. Attempts to close them at the end of the zero, except for a couple of high-profile cases, failed. In fact, all these shifts of some FSES to others are nothing more than an attempt to once again close up extra schools. Everything always ends, unfortunately, the same way - by entering the dough in high offices. Here the fault is completely officials.
    It reminds you of what was written above a planned, organized and long-term action - only in the imagination of conspiracy theorists.
    1. turbris
      turbris 14 December 2017 23: 13 New
      +3
      merlin - well, why throw in slippers? Just in many ways you can agree. But on our website, for some bloggers, the topic of education is deeply drumming, they have another topic - criticism of the authorities, they earn money with this, so do not pay attention to any squeals off-topic.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 08: 22 New
        0
        Quote: turbris
        they have another topic - criticism of the authorities, they earn money with this

        can you prove? !!!
        1. turbris
          turbris 15 December 2017 11: 32 New
          +2
          Vasilenko Vladimir - read the comments, what other proof do you need, any topic discussed immediately comes down to criticism of the existing government, and in this case, the topic under discussion no longer interests them - they are fulfilling their task, do you really not notice it?
      2. marline
        marline 15 December 2017 16: 37 New
        0
        Quote: turbris
        But on our website, for some bloggers, the topic of education is deeply drumming, they have another topic - criticism of the authorities, they earn money with this, so do not pay attention to any squeals off-topic.

        I agree. But it cannot be denied that there are those who simply like criticism of the authorities, this process itself, they just get high from it. The most criticized is that now it is possible to criticize, but earlier it was better, earlier it was impossible to criticize.
  7. SPLV
    SPLV 14 December 2017 09: 21 New
    0
    . .try to cheat or “shoot” rating points on the comments from the series: “Let's tear everyone!”, “Damned are to blame for everything

    But this, Mr. Volodin, has nothing to do with education in relation to education. It is rather to education, to a system of values. "Horses mixed up in a heap, people," that is, both God's gift and fried eggs. Although, as the parent of the entrant of this year, I perfectly understand some problems of the education system and agree: there are
  8. sa-ag
    sa-ag 14 December 2017 09: 32 New
    +4
    without social elevators, no matter how wonderful education is, there will be no use; if there is no progress, they will go into a non-core occupation, higher paid
    1. turbris
      turbris 14 December 2017 23: 18 New
      +1
      Yes, that’s the problem! But also a clumsy Ministry of Education, which does not correctly assess where, which specialists will be in demand in the next 5-10 years. They persecute lawyers, psychologists and economists with a carbon copy - knowing in advance that they are unlikely to be able to get a job by profession.
  9. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 09: 40 New
    +5
    Dear forum users! Remember, neoliberal capitalism needs people-functions that have certain skills and can only work, but not think. Dumb and joyful, approving well, or at least not interfering with the power of those in charge to steer. In Russia, there are already enough of these, as can be seen from the military. The education system of the world and Russia is imprisoned for this.
    1. SergF123
      SergF123 15 December 2017 08: 23 New
      +2
      Everything is correct, only then it is not necessary to shout to Putinoids that Vova will fix everything, he will never fix anything, he is part of the system and only 3.14zdit
    2. turbris
      turbris 15 December 2017 11: 50 New
      +1
      Dear forum member andrej-shironov! Neo-liberal capitalism, as you call it, and any other system, is not capable of prohibiting a person from thinking, even fascism could not achieve this. A person will always think, regardless of any systems, and this is his highest privilege, as they say, distinguishing him from other humanoid ones. And people who support the existing government are not stupid, joyful and approving of everything, as you deigned to put it, people, but rather wise people who have already lived under different systems and soberly assess the possible development of events in the country. If they come to power, such as you are "smart"
      and again plunged into the country in revolutionary transformation, where do you start? With the expropriation of the oligarchs and everyone else who lives richer? So ahead of the blood and devastation, we have all gone through this, so you can’t trust "screamers" like you.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 15 December 2017 15: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: turbris
        Dear forum member andrej-shironov! Neo-liberal capitalism, as you call it, and any other system, is not capable of prohibiting a person from thinking, even fascism could not achieve this. A person will always think, regardless of any systems, and this is his highest privilege, as they say, distinguishing him from other humanoid ones. And people who support the existing government are not stupid, joyful and approving of everything, as you deigned to put it, people, but rather wise people who have already lived under different systems and soberly assess the possible development of events in the country. If they come to power, such as you are "smart"
        and again plunged into the country in revolutionary transformation, where do you start? With the expropriation of the oligarchs and everyone else who lives richer? So ahead of the blood and devastation, we have all gone through this, so you can’t trust "screamers" like you.

        Dear Turbris! If you inspire a person from childhood that the most important thing in life is an iPhone, conditionally, I don’t think that he will grow up thinking very much. In addition to the ability to think, you also need tools. But they won’t give him. Yes, and by the way Turbris, you did not answer one small question: is Rosatom a corporation? wink
        1. turbris
          turbris 16 December 2017 21: 17 New
          +2
          andrej-shironov - you ask too many questions and demand facts, which suggests that you are not accustomed to working with the material yourself. Try to do the analysis yourself, and not only the press from one or two sources, but also go out to the people, there all the facts will lead you instantly and you won’t want to ask questions. And of course I won’t be guided by your petty tricks, and you won’t be able to prove your superiority on any of the issues; for this, look for boys a young man.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 16 December 2017 22: 22 New
            0
            smile Turbris you need to do self-education. I am not interested in my superiority over you. I am smarter than at least you. Yes, and I argue with you, not for you, but for those who come to the site and read comments. I would really like these people to start thinking with their own head and not with their television heads. All our disputes have shown that you are actually moving away from a direct answer. I would suggest that your employer dismiss you for unsuitability and a waste of money. You write without enthusiasm, your vocabulary is very poor, factual material is very limited. You, by your inept defense of the government and Putin in particular, simply discredit it. With such helpers and enemies is not necessary. Apparently the barriers of the "people's" defenders have become impoverished, they are already taking it directly from the street, as the people say, by announcement. By the way, I’m talking more with your people and I understand his aspirations, unlike you. This, by the way, is indicated by the number of pluses that they put to me and do not put like you.
            1. turbris
              turbris 17 December 2017 11: 46 New
              +2
              Dear and about the cleverest andrej-shironov! I read your opus, I will not bother with the simplest grammatical errors, but your self-esteem is clearly overestimated. Read carefully your comments on any topics - the same messages are everywhere, inept argumentation, citing as an example facts that mean nothing and logically are not a continuation of the topic under discussion, there are obvious attempts on any topics to discredit the existing government and nothing more. In addition, the power is bad, no more thoughts are visible, and what kind of power should be in your opinion? And in response, silence and not a single reasonable offer. And who do you think will be president better than Putin? And in response, silence and not a single real candidate. Therefore, it’s just you who discredit yourself and go away from direct answers, and to evaluate your activities on the site by the number of pluses is at least not worthy for a reasonable person.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 17 December 2017 16: 29 New
                0
                smile Dear Turbris! It has long and not been noticed by me that when a person has nothing to say, he goes either to individuals and grammar or to rudeness.
                Regarding power, I have repeatedly written the government of national unity. I uphold the concept of choosing the bad from the even worse nonsense, as shown by Yeltsin.
                Regarding the facts, you still haven’t answered me by Rosatom, is the corporation still or not? Before you write something about facts about others, study your argument.
                And what does not suit you the number of pluses in relation to the understanding of national aspirations? What criteria would suit you?
                1. turbris
                  turbris 17 December 2017 20: 26 New
                  +1
                  andrej-shironov - about Rosatom - type this word in the search engine and read, it’s not difficult and you don’t have to ask stupid questions. And as for the pros, then on the site you can register under various nicknames and instruct the pros yourself - did not know? And as for the government of national unity, I'm sorry I did not read your conclusions, but I heard that name from many parliamentary parties, but what about the reality of its creation in modern conditions, or again fantasy?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 December 2017 22: 25 New
                    0
                    Quote: turbris
                    And as for the pros, then on the site you can register under various nicknames and instruct the pros yourself - did not know?

                    try laughing
                  2. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 18 December 2017 09: 43 New
                    0
                    smile Dear Turbris! I know very well that Rosatom is a corporation and it solves quite global problems and spends a lot of money on R&D. And it is not an international but a Russian corporation. By the way, all corporations, as you stated, belong to world capital and are not able to solve serious problems. Yes, such as Prokhorov, for example, are not able to solve global problems even with the release of the E-mobile, and Rosatom can.
                    Further, regarding the fact that you can put the pros to yourself. I think if you wish, you can register on the site under a bunch of nicknames, but then you just have to put it on and spend the night, and I have children, alas, I can not afford it and why not.
                    Concerning the creation of a government of national unity is by no means a fantasy. First you need to create a crisis of power, alas, without this, the current government will not hit a finger on the finger.
  10. Aspid 86
    Aspid 86 14 December 2017 10: 32 New
    +8
    To find out what system of education, training, health care, etc. (necessary to emphasize) the state needs - you need to know what the state’s goal is for the future. In the USSR, they built communism, under it was the Gosplan, developed the infrastructure, built factories for the development of this infrastructure, brought up green, snot loyal, healthy, educated citizens who would be able not only to use everything that was built for them, but for them and develop further. Now we live nowhere ...
  11. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 14 December 2017 10: 38 New
    +3
    I work at the university and seeing modern students, I came to the conclusion that not everything needs to be blamed on education. Boys and girls themselves do not want to develop. They don’t want to learn anything new “beyond the program”. And the program is scored in the best traditions of a caricature student. It would seem that in our century it should be clear to everyone that it is necessary to constantly improve in their field, to obtain new knowledge, skills, that would be in demand in the labor market or at least stay in the already occupied workplace. The system we have now is like that, each for itself. And they themselves do not care. Only a few try to invest in themselves. As a result, we get lawyers, economists in security guards, mathematicians, physicists at the Auchan box office, all kinds of young artists handing out leaflets at intersections. They walk the best years, go for a party and get together, and then they are outraged at why they don’t get anything. Why nobody takes them anywhere.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 11: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: Malkavianin
      Boys and girls themselves do not want to develop.

      why if the main goal is a new iPhone
    2. Sverdlov
      Sverdlov 14 December 2017 13: 08 New
      +3
      Nowadays, universities do not enter to receive an education, but to receive a diploma of education. And they study not as engineers, but as superiors ...
      Swam, we know ...
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 14 December 2017 13: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Sverdlov
        but to get an education diploma.

        Well, yes, that is, there are companies for which the image is everything and even the cleaning lady must have a higher education
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 13: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: sa-ag
          even a cleaning lady must have a college degree

          removed from the language, or at 26 years old need a higher education and even work experience
      2. turbris
        turbris 16 December 2017 21: 20 New
        0
        Sverdlov - who builds the Crimean bridge chiefs? So it turns out, we swam, but we don’t know .....
    3. hohkn
      hohkn 14 December 2017 16: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Malkavianin
      Boys and girls themselves do not want to develop. They don’t want to learn anything new “beyond the program”. And the program is scored in the best traditions of a caricature student.

      This is a misfortune not only of our universities. In the West, everything is exactly the same. I am not writing from the lantern. My acquaintance’s son-in-law is a German who lives permanently in the UK. He teaches at the university (physicist). The attitude of students to study and teachers is exactly the same as ours. They are no different. And just like us, there are students who want to learn and do it. And the teacher cannot take any measures for students in the UK either.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 17: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: hohkn
        This is a misfortune not only of our universities. In the West, everything is exactly the same.

        it’s clear that we also copied from them
      2. Maalkavianin
        Maalkavianin 15 December 2017 12: 47 New
        0
        Measures can just be taken. He (the teacher) is simply not allowed to do this. The market is the market. The student pays money, which means that he is right and it is necessary to hold on to the diploma, despite any of his gouging.
  12. cannabis
    cannabis 14 December 2017 10: 47 New
    +6
    Most of them are adults at HE, a lot have gone through the school of military universities and know that the basis of training in the army, and in life, is a ladder from the steps of Knowledge - Skill - Skills. There is only one step in our Racean modern school - Knowledge. How, for example, is chemistry taught at school now? That's right - by writing formulas on a blackboard. And how was we taught? That's right, they started with test tubes, cones and alcohol, on which the glass was bent. We were taught at labor lessons to make hammers, stools, tin buckets, hammers and threaded bolts. What is the main thing in schools now? Discipline, a helpline for denunciations of parents and fundraising for various reasons. Physical education is running around the school and pulling up, well, sometimes they give a ball. No bars, no shot put, no obstacle course! No way! Hazardous. At half-school breaks, he smokes, half-school stares at the phones. The level of modern education can be illustrated by an example: After the terrible war, the Soviet government built a huge building in which the Vocational School was located. The modern government destroyed all the vocational schools in the city, and the State University now stands on the facade of this particular building.
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 14 December 2017 22: 41 New
      +1
      Discipline in modern 12-16-year-old adolescents and youths is just a little. The education lacks the cultivation of meritocracy and the idea of ​​rank.
    2. turbris
      turbris 15 December 2017 16: 10 New
      +2
      konoprava - but what about the large number of colleges in different professions? Do you not notice them? This is a vocational school, but at a modern level. And many large enterprises have their own colleges - they themselves train personnel.
  13. vanavatny
    vanavatny 14 December 2017 10: 52 New
    +9
    Why did they shout? My mother is an excellent pupil, a young teacher, I hear tales about the imminent revival from TV regularly (as well as about the growing salary) I see the nightmare of the collapse of education with my own eyes, all talk about certain prospects is only talk (also before the elections). but in general today Vladimir Vladimirovitch will traditionally tell that he is satisfied with the work of the managers, comrades are on the right path, along the endless path of idiotic reforms ... or will a miracle happen and the president will show a clear understanding of what is happening? moreover, with specifics will indicate the way out? maybe they will punish the guilty too?
  14. Conductor
    Conductor 14 December 2017 11: 18 New
    +3
    Reporting was definitely tortured, a friend told me, she started teaching in 1992, and she continues, for which purpose these reports, except for pressure, are not clear.
  15. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 14 December 2017 11: 24 New
    +5
    And what to expect from the exam ??? At one time, this education system was invented to test emigrants who quickly became acquainted with the basics of education in the USA ..... In the USSR, education was the best in the world .... and traded for it ....? Look what is happening with the young generation .... The education system must be changed urgently if we do not want to lose the young generation ... the future of Russia depends on it !!!
    1. SergF123
      SergF123 15 December 2017 08: 21 New
      +2
      Vote for PU and continue to teach children as you teach!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 09: 17 New
        0
        Quote: SergF123
        Vote for PU and continue to teach children as you teach!

        and who prevents you from teaching children differently ?!
        1. SergF123
          SergF123 16 December 2017 10: 36 New
          +1
          PU, the Minister of Education, various teachers and teachers ... Do you still have questions ?!
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2017 12: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: SergF123
            Any questions?

            Yes
            are you out of your mind ?!
            you are not allowed to study math or read history books with your child

            personally, PU with the Minister of Education sits under the table and pricks in the ass? !!!
            1. SergF123
              SergF123 19 December 2017 04: 46 New
              +1
              As I understand it, your grandchildren do not need schools, since there is such a grandfather who will teach them everything at home wassat .... again, one blah blah blah ... A child in school spends 30 to 50% of the time and is taught that way, as defined in the concept of state formation .. Do you want to seem the smartest ?!
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2017 08: 38 New
                0
                physics, algebra, geometry, I can teach without problems
                1. SergF123
                  SergF123 19 December 2017 12: 06 New
                  +1
                  Honorary ... And I can teach history, law and social studies so now, other subjects are not needed, or schools are not needed?
  16. Terenin
    Terenin 14 December 2017 11: 34 New
    +4
    The problem of education has been raised, positions have been identified, no one intends to concede.
    Conclusion: Without a strong referee, the “school” teams will simply be changed. We must seek a mutually acceptable or just a strong arbiter.
  17. AKC
    AKC 14 December 2017 12: 19 New
    0
    low content article and comments! I would like the author to write about the benefits of the new education system! and it’s similar to imposing one’s point of view on others from envy to those whose children study better and passed the Unified State Examination than his children!
    I like something and don't like something in the modern education system!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 13: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: AKC
      I would like the author to write about the benefits of the new education system!

      do they have?
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    1. turbris
      turbris 15 December 2017 16: 19 New
      +1
      Nikolay Vorobyov - you just do not destroy yourself with such a mood! “From a young age, a child receives an informational message that their parents' salaries are scanty” - and should receive a message that they need to study well - then your salary will be more than that of your parents. A large number of specialties where workers receive good salaries - a welder, a turner, a locksmith, a CNC machine tool tuner, etc., also orient your child so that he does not receive a meager salary like you.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 17 December 2017 16: 30 New
        +1
        smile Dear Turbris, I'm sorry to interfere. Did you work in the occupations that you listed?
  19. Brushing
    Brushing 14 December 2017 16: 32 New
    +1
    Just tin ... belay
  20. tank64rus
    tank64rus 14 December 2017 18: 43 New
    +1
    In our upper echelon of the Ministry of Education, people from the Gaidar Higher School of Economics are entirely. Well, they rule. Two goals, the first to make stupid consumers out of children, the second that would be no patriotism. Children of the "elite" naturally study abroad. So there is no mess. There are clear tasks and their implementation by grant-eaters.
  21. 44 Locomotive
    44 Locomotive 14 December 2017 20: 13 New
    +1
    and that’s too late already. at the beginning of the article it is said: "a quarter of a century." Well? and how many education systems have produced “products” during this time. destroyed the Soviet system. This is Kapets gentlemen, comrades. the manager will not design a submarine, tank, air defense system — he doesn’t need this. there is no future.
  22. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 14 December 2017 20: 46 New
    +3
    What is true is true! They destroyed the Soviet system of education, but did not create their own, new one, and apparently they are not going to create it, it is easier to manage the unlearned "cattle" as the "effective managers" say.
  23. Comrade Military Doctor
    Comrade Military Doctor 14 December 2017 21: 05 New
    +2
    In short, our education is now worthless! Because of this, in fact, the vast majority of our current social, economic and political problems emanate. Let’s, nevertheless, try to figure out what factors affect our education and lead it into the abyss. So, these factors are:
    1. Frankly stupid reforms in the education system.
    2. Low qualification and motivation of the teaching staff is a vicious circle.

    3. Low quality teaching materials.
    4. Bureaucracy in the education system.
    5. Lack of motivation to learn from the students themselves.
    6. Lack of systematic conduct of the educational process - in practice, there is no single curriculum!
    7. Self-exclusion of the institution of the family from the educational process.
  24. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 14 December 2017 21: 17 New
    +1
    Dedall,
    I understand, but he must know about it! laughing drinks
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  26. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 22: 03 New
    +1
    Dedall,
    Quote: Dedall
    Dear Stroporez, I'm sorry, but I wrote in response to the replicas of a certain Vasilenko. This fruit of modern education is already very aggressive.

    respected by this fetus for 45 years, behind him is a physical education school and a university physics department
    1. Dedall
      Dedall 14 December 2017 23: 05 New
      +2
      Dear Vladimir, I’m 55. I have the honor! And I wrote this because typing in the style of teenagers does not decorate you. We must still respect the interlocutors, especially on such a topic.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 08: 23 New
        0
        when you type on the run into the blind, it may not be
  27. Patriot2012
    Patriot2012 14 December 2017 22: 04 New
    +3

    new textbooks, Grade 4, Russian
    whom are we raising?
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 14 December 2017 22: 20 New
      +1
      Butavka sorry. crying
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 December 2017 23: 02 New
      0
      What did the Kalashuta with a bottle give? !!!!
      1. marline
        marline 15 December 2017 16: 08 New
        +2
        Learned)))
        Wow, it’s not good at all! Here we taught the classics:
        Cuddled. Cocktail Shawls
        They were poking around,
        And the grimaces were grunting,
        Like muamziki in mov.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 19: 06 New
          0
          Quote: merlin
          So we taught classics

          Lewis Carroll did not enter the school curriculum
          1. marline
            marline 15 December 2017 21: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Lewis Carroll did not enter the school curriculum

            Yes, this is of course a serious drawback of Soviet education)
  28. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 14 December 2017 22: 27 New
    0
    In order for the educational system to produce a highly qualified specialist and a worthy citizen, the government, the teacher, and the student must be interested.
  29. gladcu2
    gladcu2 14 December 2017 23: 14 New
    +2
    A wonderful start, and then .... Apparently tired ... The conclusions are not so beautiful.

    Well, that’s okay. I myself won’t be able to.

    Education in terms of strategic water availability for the state comes first.
    In second place is the economy.
    In third place is the Army and Navy.

    The second stage in the development of the economy is, of course, socialism.
    For promotion to be necessary 2 factors are technology development and a second education.
    But education must be systemic, which means the possibility of quick mutual understanding between graduates of a single system.

    The future is not market and competition, read deception and enmity.

    The future lies with planning and trust.
    1. Vlk82
      Vlk82 15 December 2017 00: 03 New
      0
      basis: economics.
      add-on: army / navy, education, medicine, etc.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 15 December 2017 01: 55 New
        +3
        When a strong country is needed, this systemic education began. And everything else will be.
        1. SergF123
          SergF123 15 December 2017 08: 20 New
          +1
          And all the rest is what? - I do not want to be smart and poor for my child.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 09: 16 New
            0
            Quote: SergF123
            I do not want to be smart and poor for my child.

            But what was the misery under the Union?
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 15 December 2017 09: 31 New
              +2
              Comrades do not argue! All of the above is very important and is done in parallel.
            2. SergF123
              SergF123 16 December 2017 10: 39 New
              +1
              Do you read when you write something to someone ?! First, understand the essence of the issue raised by a person, then draw conclusions, and then state your thoughts — they taught me that way in the USSR!
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2017 12: 02 New
                0
                Quote: SergF123
                and then state your thoughts — they taught me that way in the USSR!

                taught you badly, if only because you don’t know how to use reference material
                1. SergF123
                  SergF123 19 December 2017 04: 48 New
                  +1
                  I was taught 4-5, and most importantly, I realized that a huge number of people with clearly overstated self-esteem and just provocateurs with limited functionality come across in my life.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2017 08: 39 New
                    0
                    Quote: SergF123
                    that a huge number of people come across in life with clearly overstated self-esteem and simply provocateurs with limited functionality.

                    self-critical
                    1. turbris
                      turbris 19 December 2017 13: 16 New
                      0
                      SergF123 - very bold and self-critical, you are a person who knows how to instantly evaluate the people you communicate with, really want to advise you to look in the mirror more often, maybe other thoughts will appear?
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 16 December 2017 22: 06 New
      0
      Quote: gladcu2
      The future is not market and competition, read deception and enmity.
      The future lies with planning and trust.

      Are you writing from Canada?
  30. Overlock
    Overlock 14 December 2017 23: 49 New
    +2
    Bismarck said teachers are winning the war. With our teachers, we won’t be able to win anything. The slogan of the present life is each for itself. Here we are laughing from Ukraine, and it turned out to be smarter in the matter of educating the younger generation. From zero they raised an army of wolf cubs.
    But they are impossible or very difficult to re-educate.
    It’s like a weed garden, and it’s very difficult to fight it.
    Our state has let it go. While we scatter stones, and you will have to collect soon.
  31. SergF123
    SergF123 15 December 2017 08: 18 New
    +1
    Yes, vote for the great Pu and rejoice in the salaries of teachers (according to dimka-iPhone) at 50 tr. Rejoice for your children, their education system and believe in the United Russia party, and there will be communism for you ..... if you live and a communal apartment with gasoline will not eat up your entire salary! Hooray PU
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 09: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: SergF123
      Yes, vote for the great Pu and rejoice in the salaries of teachers (according to dimka-iPhone) at 50 tr.

      who will YOU vote for?
      Quote: SergF123
      Rejoice for your children, their education system and believe in the party "United Russia"

      but what did YOU personally do to change all this?
      1. SergF123
        SergF123 16 December 2017 10: 48 New
        +1
        Personally, I’m not afraid to speak openly and directly to any opponent that the current system of managing state power in the Russian Federation, and above all the system of economic underdevelopment, as well as any other system, is the result of the targeted destruction of earlier institutions, the ultimate goal of which is to maintain the people of the Russian Federation are in a state between the poor and the very poor, immoral, near-minded and servile! In this state, you can do whatever you want with the people, promise an orange and give pits, and the people will be happy! I am the one who is not afraid to speak and promote my thoughts and the real state of things as a whole. What have you done ?!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2017 12: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: SergF123
          Personally, I'm not afraid to say ...

          but besides talking ?!
          Quote: SergF123
          I am the one who is not afraid to speak and promote my thoughts and the real state of things as a whole. What have you done ?!

          Yes, or nothing, in fact, forced me to change the electric network in the village (in fact, to make new ones) to build a bridge, but to be honest I did all this because I needed it
          1. SergF123
            SergF123 19 December 2017 04: 50 New
            +1
            Well, then I’ll tell you a secret that I saved our society from dozens of criminal actors who committed serious and especially serious crimes against citizens of my country ?! is this enough - or are we now discussing who has done more?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2017 08: 44 New
              0
              the boy will measure primary signs with peers
              1. SergF123
                SergF123 20 December 2017 09: 29 New
                +1
                Oooh ..... Well, understandable .... Because the depth and breadth of your misunderstandings will be measured with girls in women's society and in the women's toilet ... And not at a forum where adults talk about serious topics and respect each other ! Once again, you have proved your complete incapacity in resolving disputes by turning to rudeness, therefore, communication with you in the future will be in a humorous tone - you are not capable of serious dialogue.
  32. turbris
    turbris 15 December 2017 11: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Do you think that this is all tied up?
    this was not in the Union, but the Soviet orbital stations were

    Yes, of course, not only on this, but on the development, that is, I have two grandchildren - schoolchildren and I see how they study, that I don’t remember when I was in the 1st grade speaking at a scientific conference in the gymnasium. I repeat once again - the Soviet education system was good at the time, but today everything else and the modern education system in Russia is trying to fit the times.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 12: 00 New
      0
      Quote: turbris
      so that in the 1st grade I will give a message at a scientific conference in the gymnasium

      You can call it anything you like, forgive me of course, but is this a scientific conference, by the way, can you name the topic of the message? !!
      Quote: turbris
      I repeat once again - the Soviet education system was good at the time, but today everything is different

      in the sense, Ohm's law for a section of a chain has changed, or is weight now not a force? !!!!
      what else?
      don’t tell anyone, the anatomy is the same, and the area of ​​the triangle is calculated according to the same formula, and the water formula is still the same H2O and, surprisingly, the number of electrons in the hydrogen atom has not changed at all
      so what is the correspondence of time? !!!
      in moronic tests? !!!
      Do you remember that Soviet radio devices were sold with circuit diagrams and we could read them, but today will students be able to do this "appropriate to the time"?
      1. marline
        marline 15 December 2017 16: 28 New
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        ... surprisingly, the number of electrons in the hydrogen atom has not changed at all ...

        them there - one in the atom that Bor built !!!))))
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        in moronic tests? !!!

        Not all problems are from tests, although the right people say that only a personal conversation between the examiner and the examiner can show true ownership of the subject first. True, in this case, I immediately recall a joke about a conversation between two smart people, and as you know, if one of them is stupid, then the second will not receive a scholarship.
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Do you remember that Soviet radio devices were sold with circuit diagrams and we could read them, but today will students be able to do this "appropriate to the time"?

        Students who are “Time-Corresponding” may, though not all. These are not all, not only read, but make printed circuit boards and solder microcircuits. There are not many, but they are. In general, in Soviet times, there were far from many of them.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 19: 10 New
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          Quote: merlin
          them there - one

          and didn’t grow to two according to the new system ?!
          that’s not the task, although if there are two, it’s already helium or is it still hydrogen according to the new training system ?!
          Quote: merlin
          In general, in Soviet times, there were not many

          in Soviet times there were a lot of them
          1. marline
            marline 15 December 2017 21: 25 New
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            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            ... and to two did not grow on the new system ?!

            It’s bad that a person who graduated from high school with a physical mat. bias and physical. Fak. according to the "old education system", he does not know that the electron in the hydrogen atom is single (otherwise he simply would not have written in the plural).
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            in Soviet times there were a lot of them

            Firstly, do not lie that every second person could repair the TV, and secondly there are much more such people now than you think.
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 16 December 2017 22: 14 New
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              Quote: merlin
              (otherwise I simply would not write in the plural).

              And write a phrase:
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              the number of electrons in a hydrogen atom

              in the singular?
              1. marline
                marline 16 December 2017 22: 28 New
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                Mr. lawyer? Vasilenko himself, apparently there is nothing to answer.
                As for the "number of electrons", could one write about another element?)
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 17 December 2017 08: 10 New
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                  Quote: merlin
                  Mr. lawyer? Vasilenko himself, apparently there is nothing to answer.

                  Do you really think that I sit and look at the forum every five minutes ?!
                  Quote: merlin
                  As for the "number of electrons", could one write about another element?)

                  what for?!!!
                  I wrote what you wrote you did not understand, having delved, you begin to bustle
                  1. marline
                    marline 18 December 2017 08: 30 New
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                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Do you really think that I sit and look at the forum every five minutes ?!

                    I don’t think, of course ...
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    I wrote what you wrote you did not understand, having delved, you begin to bustle

                    So that's just the point that it is necessary to write competently and clearly !!! Otherwise, crap turns out. Learn to admit your mistakes)
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 December 2017 10: 35 New
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                      Quote: merlin
                      what to write correctly and clearly !!!

                      Well, show an example of how to correctly write about the change in count. electrons in a hydrogen atom ?! smile
                      Quote: merlin
                      Otherwise, crap turns out.

                      here you have it
                      Quote: merlin
                      Learn to admit your mistakes)

                      Well, admit it, or correct my mistake, so that I see it
                      1. marline
                        marline 18 December 2017 10: 53 New
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                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Well, show an example of how to correctly write about the change in count. electrons in a hydrogen atom ?! smile

                        It’s wise to write about a change in the number of electrons in a fluorine atom, say. I wrote to you about this above.
                        And now, to put it simply, I promised: after all, what you wrote about the plural number of electrons in the hydrogen atom means that you spent ten years in school and five in physics department for nothing, and in fact your level of knowledge, skills and skills exactly at the level of modern graduates - "miscarriages of the exam."
                        To paraphrase a famous phrase - what kind of a physicist are you ?!
                    2. AllXVahhaB
                      AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 18: 28 New
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                      Quote: merlin
                      So that's just the point that it is necessary to write competently and clearly !!! Otherwise, crap turns out.

                      So I realized what Comrade Vasilenko wanted to say, you are not. Which of us is the problem?
                      1. marline
                        marline 19 December 2017 14: 52 New
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                        Quote: AllXVahhaB
                        So I realized what Comrade Vasilenko wanted to say, you are not. Which of us is the problem?

                        In you, Mr. Lawyer. I perfectly understood what "Comrade Vasilenko" wanted to say, I do not agree with how he did it.
                2. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 18: 25 New
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                  Quote: merlin
                  Mr. lawyer? Vasilenko himself, apparently there is nothing to answer.
                  As for the "number of electrons", could one write about another element?)

                  I am not familiar with Comrade Vasilenko and I do not advocate him. I just "passed by" ... As for "I would have taken another element," so I took the first one I got ... And he, really, is the first laughing
                  1. marline
                    marline 19 December 2017 14: 58 New
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                    Quote: AllXVahhaB
                    As for "I would take another element", so I took the first one ...

                    And screwed up ... Because when you write you have to think that.
                    Honestly, I wouldn’t have paid attention if Comrade Vasilenko didn’t beat himself in the chest and did not trump his “physical faculty”. Such a mistake is normal and understandable for an average person who studied physics 10-20 years ago, but for a physicist - shows the level of his incompetence.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2017 17: 33 New
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                      kindly write in the singular phrase "increase in the number of electrons in the hydrogen atom"
                      1. marline
                        marline 19 December 2017 17: 52 New
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                        You at the "physics department" studied at the philologist?)))
                        Kindly go learn atomic physics.
                        And instead of heresy, it was worth writing:
                        and in the hydrogen atom there is still one electron

                        If you really need hydrogen.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 17 December 2017 07: 27 New
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              Quote: merlin
              It’s bad that a person who graduated from high school with a physical mat. bias and physical. Fak. according to the "old education system", he does not know that the electron in the hydrogen atom is single (otherwise he simply would not have written in the plural).

              it’s bad that a person trying to be clever is not able to understand what he read
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              surprisingly, the number of electrons in the hydrogen atom has not changed at all

              this is my phrase, and now be so kind as to indicate where I am writing about the composition of the atom? !!!
              1. marline
                marline 18 December 2017 08: 34 New
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                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                this is my phrase, and now be so kind as to indicate where I am writing about the composition of the atom? !!!

                You claim to have studied at the physics department. Then, in theory, they should have a story about Dirac:
                Dirac liked to express himself precisely and demanded accuracy from others. Once, at a seminar at the end of a long conclusion, the speaker discovered that the sign in the final expression was not the same. “I mixed up the sign in some place,” he said, peering at what was written. “You want to say - in an odd number of places,” Dirac corrected.

                The accuracy of the wording is what you are missing, comrade.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 December 2017 10: 37 New
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                  Quote: merlin
                  The accuracy of the wording is what you are missing, comrade.

                  read above
            3. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 17 December 2017 08: 12 New
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              Quote: merlin
              Firstly, do not lie that every second person could repair the TV, and secondly there are much more such people now than you think.

              Comrade English wizard, you basically do not understand the meaning of the words? !!!
              can you indicate the phrase in which I wrote that every second could fix the TV? !!!!
              1. marline
                marline 18 December 2017 08: 38 New
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                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                can you indicate the phrase in which I wrote that every second could fix the TV? !!!!

                Well, suppose, here I, of course, hyperbolized your "mass". Apparently, such hyperbolas are not clear to you. Well, sorry, next time I’ll try to express myself more simply - at your level.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 December 2017 10: 45 New
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                  Quote: merlin
                  Well, suppose, here I, of course, hyperbolized your "mass". Apparently, such hyperbolas are not clear to you. Well, sorry, next time I’ll try to express myself more simply - at your level.

                  to be rude you will be another place
                  a simple example of a circulation of a radio magazine was 1122000
                  1. marline
                    marline 18 December 2017 11: 16 New
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                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    to be rude you will be another place

                    The nose is mature, indicate how and what should I do?)))
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    a simple example of a circulation of a radio magazine was 1122000

                    Bad example. Imagine the circulation Murzilka also fell. The network is now full of resources that provide the same information.
                    PS By the way, if you compare with the same Murzilka, then the circulation of Radio magazine will be larger.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 December 2017 12: 21 New
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                      Quote: merlin
                      Bad example. Imagine the circulation Murzilka also fell.

                      comic book runs have grown exponentially
                      Quote: merlin
                      PS By the way, if you compare with the same Murzilka, then the circulation of Radio magazine will be larger.

                      fool
                      Quote: merlin
                      The nose is mature, indicate how and what should I do?)))

                      all the best, I hope in the gateway you will find yourself a worthy opponent who will match your level hi
                      1. marline
                        marline 18 December 2017 12: 48 New
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                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        comic book runs have grown exponentially

                        Comic ... And you know what a "comic" is?))) Compared, sorry, ...... with a finger ...
                        And you, armed with such "deep knowledge" still dare to evaluate modern schoolchildren? brave but stupid ...
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        all the best, I hope in the gateway you will find yourself a worthy opponent who will match your level hi

                        Oh-oh-oh ... Poor little Vovochka offended - evil, bad I ...
  33. turbris
    turbris 15 December 2017 15: 26 New
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    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Do you remember that Soviet radio devices were sold with circuit diagrams and we could read them, but today will students be able to do this "appropriate to the time"?

    Can you read the chip now? And you don’t have any examples, frankly, do you count on what kind of audience in your comments?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2017 15: 31 New
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      Quote: turbris
      Can you read the chip now?

      the chip is unlikely (I'm not doing this), but the Soviet TV set up thanks to the schemes
      Quote: turbris
      Do you even count on what kind of audience in your comments?

      not what opinion I express

      ps so what about Ohm's law has it changed or not ?!
      1. marline
        marline 15 December 2017 17: 41 New
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        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        ps so what about Ohm's law has it changed or not ?!

        No. As it did not work, it does not work ... abide ...
    2. Dedall
      Dedall 15 December 2017 19: 17 New
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      Respected turbis, I want to answer your reply comment by the fact that I myself am a doctor by education, but I could understand the concept of the school, as well as a dozen of my classmates. And only the very limited could not do it. And the reason for this, I believe, is that the conduct of experiments in the lessons of physics, chemistry and biology was a major part of the training system. In approximately the same way as in the lessons of Russian and literature, writing essays was the main method of developing literacy. And it becomes very sad when now a graduate of some university cannot write the simplest explanatory.
      1. turbris
        turbris 15 December 2017 20: 06 New
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        Dear Dedall! Well, who told you that experiments are not conducted in a modern school? My daughter taught chemistry at school recently, she had her own chemistry room and experiments were carried out, though there were problems with ventilation and chemicals, but they fixed everything. Now these experiments recorded on video are demonstrated using a projector in the office, then the children conduct them themselves. But I will not lie, as some, if I write, it means that they are in the know.
        1. Dedall
          Dedall 15 December 2017 21: 07 New
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          Expensive turbis, I could still tell a lie if it was only in our Novocherkassk that was such a problem. However, I work as a doctor in a military unit and I have direct contact with young recruits from different regions. So, nowhere from the word at all in schools is there training through an experimental verification of the laws of physics and chemistry. Even Muscovites with higher technical education, who arrived at our garrison a month ago, “hung up” on questions about the diffraction grating and interference.
          In short, the wrong country was called Honduras!
          1. turbris
            turbris 16 December 2017 21: 30 New
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            Dedall - well, you give examples and, therefore, draw conclusions about the whole country. I am sure that these Muscovites with higher education would easily ask you a bunch of questions that you could not answer. And what about testing in physics and chemistry in your military unit? And is this assigned to the doctor? Original however.
            1. Dedall
              Dedall 17 December 2017 18: 15 New
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              Turbis, but does duty call make you write the previous comments? As for the question about the reasons for asking questions, I already wrote that I am looking for personnel from the replenishment to fulfill the duties of a doctor of the level of a freelance medical examiner. Yes, and just the most interesting to chat. And I, you see, the most intelligent person seems to be a reflection in the mirror. You teach all the rest.
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 16 December 2017 22: 17 New
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          Quote: turbris
          using the projector in the office, then the children spend them themselves.

          Houses? belay
          1. turbris
            turbris 17 December 2017 11: 57 New
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            AllXVahhaB - no matter how strange it is in the same chemical office, first they look at how to conduct an experiment, and then they conduct it themselves, a nightmare in general! laughing
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 December 2017 15: 55 New
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            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            Houses?
            and the same at home wassat
  34. NordUral
    NordUral 15 December 2017 16: 23 New
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    What kind of education is this and the future. With what is now, the country will have no future. And education is only alive thanks to the powerful backlog of Soya. But the Soviet generation of teachers will leave, and what will happen with education can be imagined if you look at the States.
  35. Lan28
    Lan28 16 December 2017 01: 29 New
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    The problem is much deeper and Konstantin tried to reveal this topic. We are afraid to make a decision: will we be a social state or not. In words, as it were, yes, but in fact - you need to think with your own head and not hope, much less believe politicians. Younger, who is smarter, is basically washed by Western corporations and at the same time even without much effort on their part.
  36. SergF123
    SergF123 16 December 2017 10: 55 New
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    Dedall,
    If Vladimir would have an unequivocal position at least in something, then he could still be read, and so .... just to insert his own language in the line spacing. I read his posts and realized that he just couldn’t decide who he was, and therefore he was trying, as in that joke, to be on an armored car!)))
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2017 12: 04 New
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      Quote: SergF123
      I read his posts and realized he just couldn’t decide who he was, and therefore he was trying, as in that joke, to be on an armored car!)))

      and what I did not decide? !!!
      only specifically without smearing snot on a plate
      1. SergF123
        SergF123 19 December 2017 05: 10 New
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        So let's get started - what kind of political system do you still support?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2017 08: 44 New
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          Quote: SergF123
          what political system do you still support?
          the monarchy
          1. SergF123
            SergF123 19 December 2017 11: 54 New
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            And the king, as I understand it, decided to crown himself ?!))
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2017 12: 02 New
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              you would have to a psychologist hi
              1. SergF123
                SergF123 20 December 2017 09: 38 New
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                A psychologist needs someone who advocates for the monarchy, and sets the Soviet flag on the forum! - I’m saying an indefinite subject with high self-esteem, always trying to impose his point of view on everyone, and it doesn’t matter why this point is absurd by definition.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 20 December 2017 11: 40 New
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                  Quote: SergF123
                  who stands for the monarchy, and on the forum sets the Soviet flag!

                  and what is the contradiction? !!
                  if you don’t know the social system and the form of government are two different things, but apparently you are a typical victim of the exam
                  1. SergF123
                    SergF123 20 December 2017 11: 54 New
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                    So who is the king of you or Putin ?! undecided, unaware of the difference between one and the other, respect and insult - a monarchy under the Soviet regime!)))) Funny
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  39. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 18 December 2017 18: 20 New
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    Romey,
    Quote: romey
    Starting from addressing food security issues

    In the modern management system, large agricultural complexes, by the type of "plants" are more efficient than farms. And they work in these agricultural complexes almost on a shift. In the vicinity of Yekaterinburg I saw ...
    Quote: romey
    ending with a healthy lifestyle.

    Type: "good in the native land - it smells of hay and g ... ohm"? I’ll tell you a secret: a healthy lifestyle does not depend on the place of residence. Although in the bosom of nature a hangover is easier, but no more ...
    Quote: romey
    You see in wartime, modern megacities are a huge mousetrap for the people living in them ...

    Hmm ... Recent military conflicts show, just the same, that the main hostilities are conducted outside the cities and directly in them.
    Quote: romey
    And, excuse me, but Russia without a village is no longer Russia.

    Well, that is, as I suggested - an end in itself ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 December 2017 18: 39 New
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      Quote: AllXVahhaB
      In the modern management system, large agricultural complexes, by the type of "plants" are more efficient than farms. And they work in these agricultural complexes almost on a shift. In the vicinity of Yekaterinburg I saw ...

      yes, but there is one problem, the task of holdings is to feed a cheap product, and they just do not want to sell cheap
  40. Dark_Filin
    Dark_Filin 19 December 2017 10: 25 New
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    Education is simply picked up by the west from the floor, where it was lying, nobody needs it. The West understands perfectly well that education is the most important part of society’s self-identification. Destroy it - and society will become less monolithic. Especially in a multinational and multiconfessional state.
  41. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2017 12: 05 New
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    Quote: SergF123
    The information that I have already set out will be enough for you. If you live in warmth and comfort, this does not mean that children do not freeze somewhere - that’s all Russia, that’s why your REALITY is far from the REALITY existing in our country, and you just demonstrated it !!!


    the first broodershaft we didn’t drink; therefore, you will poke different and in another place
    my second reality is the objective reality of the region
    third, and you my friend coward
  42. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 19 December 2017 18: 38 New
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    Quote: merlin
    You at the "physics department" studied at the philologist?)))
    Kindly go learn atomic physics.
    And instead of heresy, it was worth writing:
    and in the hydrogen atom there is still one electron
    If you really need hydrogen.

    crest like me and you are stubborn
    Once again, the phrase is built correctly, you already understood this too, not with the stubbornness of a donkey
    ALL!!!
    flag in hand, drum on the neck, this topic is closed to me, you can rest on
    1. marline
      marline 20 December 2017 08: 44 New
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      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      crest like me

      I see)
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Once again, the phrase is built correctly,

      In terms of the rules of the Russian language. For example, you phrase: "My weight is 85 kg." - absolutely correct from the point of view of the Russian language, but illiterate from the point of view of physics.
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      this topic is closed to me

      Right, go learn physics)
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 December 2017 12: 05 New
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        Quote: merlin
        For example, you phrase: "My weight is 85 kg." - absolutely correct from the point of view of the Russian language, but illiterate from the point of view of physics.

        1. marline
          marline 20 December 2017 13: 01 New
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          Right, go learn physics)