Republicans asking for Star Wars return

Fifteen Republican congressmen are calling on US Vice President Mike Pence to support plans to create a new space-based missile defense system. Politicians believe that such a project will help America in the fight against such states as North Korea and will bring forward compared to its main rivals - Russia and China, reports Defense News

According to the National Defense Doctrine for 2018 year, signed by US President Donald Trump on Tuesday, the United States can focus on building space systems to intercept ballistic missiles. It is assumed that such systems will be able to shoot down missiles in the initial part of the flight, which will make them much more efficient than the existing missile defense system.

According to politicians, relying on existing technologies, the system can be built in the shortest possible time - 12-18 months. Such terms seem unlikely, especially considering that the creation of a technical task in the Pentagon alone takes up to 5 years.

It is worth noting that this idea is not new at all. And under President Reagan, in 1983, a similar complex was already created within the framework of the Strategic Defense Initiative. The result was several hundred million dollars spent and a complete lack of practical results.

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[Topotun]

Interestingly, they will move it on our carriers for carriers?

[Dezinto]

nor it will be moved on our divinators

Ahead! ))))

As I said, "2017 is coming; the country of iPhones is trying to copy Soviet-made engines."

New Star Wars? Well, it’s well known that they were zilch! And now in the orbit of the Earth is a lot of garbage.

In general, a bunch of nails poured in the right (calculated) direction solves the problem of any satellite. Well, as it is.

[Topotun]

The first thing I thought after reading the news .... What else would we like for them to develop this program? Maybe a space railgun? Let them build ...

[Going]

The trouble is that they actually legalize what they have been doing quietly for a long time.

[Vladimir16]

Republicans asking for Star Wars return

So already!
The other day a new series is coming out.

Mattresses live as Lenin bequeathed. The most important art for them is cinema.
It is necessary to sort the entire bazaar which comes from the State Department.

We need to fly silently to the moon. Create a near-earth base and near the moon. Develop space as we need. Despite the OP from Europe and America.

Let mattresses make films. And if they can, then let them wave to the moon. Who is against it. We built a toilet for them on the ISS. Maybe at least they will copy it (the engines do not come out anyway) and finally they will refuse diapers.

[hrych]

Cartoons about SDI still acted on stupid political bureaucrats, in fact - this is Hollywood's second victory in the Cold War, the first about sleepwalkers. But ... for the sake of objectivity, it is necessary to note a truly breakthrough project, which in addition to fantastic animated films had the same place to be - Space Shuttle. Time goes by. The shuttle rested in a Bose, cartoons can no longer scare us. Weapons on other physical principles of the problem, and Status-6, generally do not care about space. Well, maneuvering warheads, a quasi-ballistic trajectory and a shortened booster section, also do not like space systems of destruction. Plus anti-satellite weapons and the Mig-41, as an atmospheric interceptor. Recall that the SOI cartoons showed how they hit the BB system because there was a “bus” breeding stage, now they are moving away from this, well, a cloud of false targets that do not differ from real ones on the locators ...

And how beautiful it was, but we stopped at the Bear for the whole head marked, cheap and cheerful

[bulvas]

Quote: hrych

In weapons on other physical principles of the problem

And what are they going to shoot down missiles now?
Then they were going, if I’m not mistaken with an X-ray laser, to destroy the BG,
and what now?

Missile defense, 5 thousand thrown into orbit?

[hrych]

Quote: bulvas

Then they were going, if I am not mistaken by an X-ray laser, to destroy the BG

It has now become apparent that electromagnetic guns, an orbital laser, a laser with beams in opposite directions with nuclear pumping, a mirror on the satellite transmitting a laser beam from the Earth, and in the final section, a laser Boeing just an excuse for cartoons, well, the graphics have changed, you can do it very beautifully. In fact, no project has been feasible so far. Both the railgun and the laser, in addition to the most direct device, require additional systems providing pumping, i.e. an energy generator, a capacitor bank, etc. All this was barely, barely shoved into a Boeing about four engines and the topic was scrapped, but everything had to be suspended in orbit. And in the cartoon everything is so compact, and outer space is very huge even where the warhead tracks go. Okay, there’s still a laser, it’s operating at the speed of light, but the railgun should not hit directly, but the projectile should meet with the target later, at a certain point, well, the anti-missile, it’s homing and adjusted, and here it is. A missile if in orbit, then it has the first cosmic velocity, it can no longer hit targets in the atmosphere, i.e. the initial and final section of the ICBM is inaccessible to her, and the BB flight is not long, but only a few minutes, and all this is in low orbits, the geostationary is only close to the equator and the altitude is below 35 thousand, and then a couple, three thousand and across the pole Those. combat satellites must fly in formation, in a row and one after another, and they need a huge number, and not one cannon that shoots warheads like partridges In short, while only ICBMs and missile defense, everything else from the evil one

[bulvas]

Quote: hrych

It has now become apparent ......
In short, while only ICBMs and missile defense, everything else from the evil one

Agree
Therefore, we can talk about:
- "cut the dough"
- an attempt to drag Russia into the race - “what if this time it works, these Russians are not far off” (such a version simply screams in the Professor’s comments, and if they have people like Ariel Cohen in the Atlantic Council, it can convince Americans, that will work)
- disguise for placement of percussion instruments in orbit

Regarding the 2nd version, the question arises: - who really work for such as Ariel Cohen?
- most likely on the US military-industrial complex, i.e. version 1 comes to the fore

The 3rd version, most likely, also works on the 1st.

[hrych]

Quote: bulvas

disguise for placement of percussion instruments in orbit

It is also costly and inefficient, the atmosphere protects us well, both from physical objects and the laser scatters, etc. Their last trick is the kinetic tungsten pins, which should accurately hit the mines from orbit, but there you have to get directly into the mine, solve the problem again braking and guidance, and electronic warfare has not been canceled. Moreover, correctly you say that we have already passed, and if something has changed in technology during this time, then the BB became tricky, electronic warfare became tricky, anti-satellite systems became tricky. The same Nudol is not only a missile defense, but also an anti-satellite weapon. Well, the development of Status-6, where nothing flies behind the atmosphere, and even does not fly in the atmosphere All this sounds like a tantrum when the train has already left. Eun is especially amused, knowing the place, knowing the trajectory, on a limited plot of land, no missile defense systems can hit one all-in-one, but thousands gathered, and so we got a galaxy of strategic missiles that sneak off the ground, disguise themselves as containers, etc. Therefore, the hysteria here is normal

[bulvas]

Quote: hrych

Eun is especially funny

To the point, and the moral is that nothing can guarantee absolute interception and / or preventive destruction of all our missiles.

They can spend another 20 trillion (it seems they are deeply purple, what kind of debt they have), but this will not give a guarantee of 100% security, which means it makes no sense.

In addition, I suspect that they will start a duel with us, that China and Eun will not stay on the sidelines and will throw their own ones (I’m not sure who will win China if this is possible, and Eun will follow China)

I wonder how the US crushed its "allies"
Everyone sees perfectly what’s what, but after all, apart from miserable squeaks, we don’t hear anything about this

Just sitting and waiting

If the USA happens, what a nuisance, they do not hesitate to spread to the side of the strongest, it does not matter who they will be, even the same Eun

[Vadim237]

And they already do radar with the ability to select false targets - missile defense systems continue to improve.

[hrych]

Quote: Vadim237

Radars are made with the ability to select false targets - missile defense systems

This is not possible, a false target gives similar characteristics of the reflected signal, like a warhead. Those. flies at the same speed, if it is an inflatable warhead, it copies the form for misleading optical systems, and a metallized foil gives a similar radio echo.

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately, it is possible that A 235 can also select false targets, like the previous A 135.

[hrych]

Quote: Vadim237

Unfortunately, it is possible that A 235 can also select false targets, like the previous A 135.

Also not a fig. Behind the atmosphere, the inflatable block is no different either visually or by radar echo, even if you select, in an airless balloon, the inflatable bubble flies at the same speed when entering the atmosphere, but the bubble flew away, but this is the final section when the target is doomed. Then there are false targets that enter the atmosphere with the BB, at the same speed, they are smaller than the BB, but on the radar it is a point flying at a certain speed, do not care if it is stealth, an inch ball or a passenger plane. I repeat, for the radar this is the point. So far, only in the "Star Trek" radar shows the size and shape of the Klingon ship , but on the radar screen so far only a point

[hrych]

Here is a metallized swindle. At a sufficiently large distance, it is impossible to distinguish such a LC from a warhead either by optical or radar means.

And such a false block enters the atmosphere

When moving in a high-speed air stream, the surface of the warhead is heated, it can be detected by thermal radiation and destroyed by an interceptor missile. At this stage, LCs of a different type “work”: small, but heavy. The burning of the pyrotechnic composition in such a LC simulates the thermal "image" of the warhead.

[Mwg]

For the grunt.
About the same: Stanley Kubrick then died, the kingdom of heaven, who will shoot cartoons-scarecrows? ...)))))

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Topotun

Let them build ...

Well, when you print money yourself, which is recognized as the main reserve currency all over the world, why not?

[zhekazs]

Quote: DEZINTO

New Star Wars? Well, it’s well known that they were zilch!

Yeah, they didn’t have to

US Vice President Mike Pence support plans for a new space ballistic missile defense system

and sponsor George Lucas in Hollywood, success would be guaranteed.

[Kent0001]

Yes, it’s different here, they want to drag us into the arms race and stupidly ruin us like the USSR. And since everything is displayed over the hill in our country, this is not such a difficult task.

[Blombirus]

Phantom pains. The second time is not a ride. Gorby is not the same, and not there. They say it will die soon. No one to hang starry noodles on the ears.

[Vend]

Quote: Topotun

Interestingly, they will move it on our carriers for carriers?

They want to make another movie, only about Mars. Hollywood lies about the moon have already burst. With modern special effects, they will create the blockbuster "Americans on Mars"

[Kent0001]

So we will close this need to them. And our authorities will report that people are busy with us and production is working.

[Herculesic]

In Hollywood, urgently five new pavilions for filming have already been prepared!

[Major Yurik]

Everything is in Hollywood, there it is comfortable for the Yankees to rule galaxies, not to mention the Earth! There, their green berets sow democracy right and left with bazookas and rockets, they stop trains and planes with their teeth. Now the satellites will be catching with nets, the grandmothers are immeasurable, why not dream under a filmed movie!

[Herculesic]

Well, then the president should be a man by the name of Reigen!

[Astoria]

or railgun

[rocket757]

Yes, and in the space of trances he sent! They are still abnormal, the abnormality of the situation may seem normal to them!

[Non liberoid Russian]

nobody canceled anti-satellite missiles, and it’s also possible to renew the program of manned stations with weapons like salute-diamond, since it was done in the RSFSR and not in the Ukrainian SSR

[Vadim237]

Given the state of our space industry, this task will become overwhelming, expensive and long for us.

[Kent0001]

The local cheers-patriots have their whole brain and thoughts going off the whistle. They do not think about the technical side of many issues.

[JonnyT]

They took a record defense budget and immediately rushed to cut it!
"Tram give money! Tram give money" - shouted congressmen bought by the military

[enmesher]

And the printing machine will not break?)))

[Azim77]

The result was several hundred million dollars spent

Someone spent, and someone earned ...

[Warrior-80]

The USA is more and more reminiscent of a stupid, pugnacious gopnik, and Europeans, looking like suckers after him, looking into his mouth, sooner or later the USA will lead them into history when they all snap off the cradles or destroy the ball on which we live

[fa2998]

Quote: Topotun

Interestingly, they will move it on our carriers for carriers?

No problem! !! They will give a few million freshly printed dollars - and on, no obstacles. Yes, yet. Our engines are powered by heavy missiles, they are rarely launched, and which is easier to cope with. Yes, and financing was scarce, making a new engine is unnecessary. If Now they will approve a solid budget, they will finish their engine.
By the way, the Americans can do it! It is contraindicated for anyone to play such games with the USSR. At that time we were on a par with the United States, or even ahead of space. Now they have made great progress, and Russia is marking time and is losing what has been achieved. There is no money, but you hold on! !

[Vadim237]

Delta 4, the Minotaur, SLS, Falcons and Pegasus have American engines - they have something to display combat satellites.

[Mwg]

For Vadim237
“Delta 4, the Minotaur, SLS, Falcons and Pegasus have American engines” - yes, they are. Only at a price they are like Delta 4, Minotaur, SLS, Falcon and Pegasus combined and make them for 6 months 1 pc. And so, yes, there are

[Vadim237]

They are made by several dozen at once, for all missiles - for Falcons they are reusable.

[gguess]

It is about creating the space segment of the US global missile defense according to my concept ...

[Old26]

Quote: Topotun

Interestingly, they will move it on our carriers for carriers?

They dofig their engines

Quote: Topotun

The first thing I thought after reading the news .... What else would we like for them to develop this program? Maybe a space railgun? Let them build ...

They are not fools. They know what to develop and what not. If you want to believe that they are stupid - listen to Zadorny ...

Quote: Vladimir16

We need to fly silently to the moon. Create a near-earth base and near the moon.

Let's. If you have enough pull

Quote: hrych

Time goes by. The shuttle rested in a Bose,

Yes, after 135 flights against ONE Burana flight. So who rested in the Bose? Shuttle or Buran ??

Quote: Ami du peuple

Well, when you print money yourself, which is recognized as the main reserve currency all over the world, why not?

Even so, there are no thousands of missiles

[hrych]

Quote: Old26

Yes, after 135 flights against ONE Burana flight.

You can make one flight, you can make 135 flights, kill fourteen astronauts and half the shuttles, but come to the same denominator, i.e. close the program and pay the fare for the hated Russians in the Union.

[Kent0001]

During these 135 flights, they could at any time, for example, destroy Moscow and / or Sverdlovsk with Novosib, well, this is so for example (if you know the essence of the US Shuttle program)

[hrych]

Quote: Kent0001

they could at any time, for example, destroy Moscow and (or) Sverdlovsk with Novosib, well, this is so for example

No, they could not. The so-called dive into the atmosphere, which scared the political bureaucrats, turned out to be a bluff. There is no bomb gate, and the transport compartment was only for launching the satellite / receiving the satellite for repair. No way to open the hatch in the atmosphere. Columbia made a good dive. It was not possible to have a suspended weapon, but we sorted out the bomb. Entrance into the atmosphere is a monstrous overheating, etc. A warhead will perfectly solve the Washington problem in 20 minutes and there is no need to make small towns. The deployment in space of nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction is prohibited on the basis of an agreement that entered into force on October 10, 1967. And it’s easier to put the same warhead with a small engine into orbit, and on command from the ground, it will dive wherever you want, than let this monster with seven pilots Well, the shuttle is not an orbital station, it is not on duty in orbit, there was a limited time in orbit (no more than 2 weeks), its maneuvers were tracked by objective control measures of the USSR and what's wrong, the key to launch, two keys ...

[Vadim237]

And he didn’t have to make a dive - they could easily make orbital bombers out of the Shuttles by stuffing his cargo compartment with dozens of individual warheads, flying over the territory of the USSR, from west to east and dropping the warheads at the right points. A sort of manned "bus"

[hrych]

Quote: Vadim237

drop warheads at the right points. A sort of manned "bus"

Do you understand the difference in work in the atmosphere and space? Verney in orbit. If the warhead flies along a ballistic trajectory, gains a certain height and falls on the target, and from the orbital trajectory it is necessary to perform a braking maneuver, i.e. reduce speed and make less than the first space, i.e. a completely different approach, a different scheme. The speed of a combat device, like a carrier, is the first space. Those. It is very similar to the entry of the descent vehicle into the atmosphere, where there is one caveat, there is no question of any accuracy, mobility or reliability. When the descent vehicle lands in the specified area, this is plus or minus hundreds of kilometers, you can simply not get into the city. Those. initially you need a maneuvering unit with a complex braking system. I repeat, the ICBM will solve the same problem in 20 minutes without launching the shuttle, maneuvering it, launching this complex device, etc.

[Vadim237]

The warhead, in fact, is separated from the bus at an altitude of 1000 kilometers, to overcome missile defense systems - it does not gain any specific height, its speed is just the first space one and it slows down to 2 kilometers per second only in dense layers of the atmosphere. And while the accuracy does not deteriorate, the Shuttle flies at an altitude of about 500 kilometers, which means it will have the same accuracy from an altitude of 1000 kilometers - the inertial guidance system for the warheads, astro correction and GPS, even with 5000 of these warheads to reset the accuracy will suffer slightly.

[hrych]

You just don’t think better and do not compose If the warhead reaches the first space, it will become an artificial satellite of the earth. The first space 7,9 km / s, and ICBM flies 5-7 km / s (a little bit does not reach the maximum, but it does not reach specifically ) The maximum speed of Topol-M = 7,3 km / s. The warhead itself (before the creation of the maneuvering blocks) is only a cone-shaped metal shell that does not have (had) a marching engine. There is such a name - called a ballistic missile and there is a ballistic trajectory. I repeat once again, you can use a marching engine, let's say an orbital object for braking, and you don’t even have to turn it on in the direction of travel, as the shuttle did to leave orbit. A warhead with the first space and marching engine can enter dense layers along a steep path and begin to decelerate the atmosphere itself, but this will lead to the destruction of even a sufficiently strong warhead. The Americans want to make kinetic pins for the strike, which the orbital special cannon shoots into the ground (orbital complex "Wands of God"). And why such squalor, but for the above reasons The pin will certainly warm up, but it will withstand the atmosphere, it certainly doesn’t have a control system, there’s no charge ... it’s the pin, but to get exactly into the hatch of the ICBM mine (like from a cannon with an unrecoverable shell), from orbit, and even in full the first space course, and even with unpredictable entry into a dense layer, of course complete utopian nonsense. And mind you, after the beautiful cartoons with the laser, go to the pins The reason is practical experience, or rather failure with all lasers, satellites, laser planes, etc.

[hrych]

The difference between the first space at 7,9 km / s and Topol at 7,3 km / s seems small, but when you translate km / s into km / h, we get more than 2000 km / h, i.e. the maximum speed of the F-16 fighter on the afterburner, at an altitude of 12 thousand meters The pins of the rod of the gods, by the way, are not of steel, but of tungsten, because even steel can not withstand such an overload, the melting temperature will be exceeded.

[hrych]

For general development according to the Rod of the Gods: they are of type 6 meters in length, 30 cm in diameter, made of tungsten and weigh about 10 tons. Such a burden must be thrown into orbit, and this is only one shell , Aiming device, reset, shot, etc., it is also necessary to throw there, in short complete nonsense. The atmosphere protects the earth very well from meteorites, including iron, which melts and explodes. Therefore, it is so difficult to strike from orbit.

[rocket757]

funny old26 ... again, he has a Yankee on a white horse in front of the rest of the planet
do you know a joke? hee hee .... ass! - if you understand Russian, and if there isn’t the right color for the flag, you’re not a whale ... not ours!

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately, they are now really on a white horse - Russia in the space and technological sphere is no longer competitors.

[rocket757]

Yes, yes, still sprinkle the ashes of our hopes on our heads and do nothing.
Or maybe I can’t and despite everything?

Say ka uncle is not in vain
Moscow burned by fire
was given to the french
because there were fighting fights
yes they say what else
not for nothing remembers all of Russia
about Borodin day!


Just another battle, against the enemies, for Us, for the Motherland, for Russia!
Do not shame the memory of the ancestors!

[hrych]

Quote: Vadim237

Unfortunately, they are now really on a white horse - Russia in the space and technological sphere is no longer competitors.

Yes Yes. And they don’t buy RD-180s and do not fly hitchhikers in the Union. Not on a horse, but on a kukan

[Vadim237]

And it’s good that they are buying - if they hadn’t bought, this engine would not have existed at all,
and most likely the production on which they are made - in view of the difficult economic situation in the 90s and early 2000s.

[Mwg]

Looks like it inspired the congressmen - republicans by watching the new plot of "Star Warrior". Or jumped on trampolines before ...))))))

[rocket757]

I’m for the new series of "Star Wars" ... cool shooting, such infections. At the Pentagon, steal money and a new saga, in Hollywood, give !!!
The plot is cool \ interesting there ... Hamilton's cosmo-opera for example !!!

[Old26]

Quote: rocket757

funny old26 ... again, he has a Yankee on a white horse in front of the rest of the planet
do you know a joke? hee hee .... ass! - if you understand Russian, and if there isn’t the right color for the flag, you’re not a whale ... not ours!

But you, judging by everything except how to curry, post poetry and hang labels you can’t do anything. Keep on fussing. I would rather argue with the same grunting, he has smart thoughts are not uncommon. But to believe that we are ahead of the planet, we’ll tear all and all - the fate of idiots like you ..

Now, the merits of the article.
In this case, of course, trying to reanimate the Star Wars program is a way to knock out money. Although some of their pre-existing projects could now be implemented. Sometimes it’s not even as a missile defense system, but as a variant of strike weapons.
Much of course is very controversial, but the most important thing that cannot be realized is the test of this system. Each individual can be tested, in total - it is impossible. For it will not be a test in terrestrial conditions. and the possible destruction of satellites in orbit. And it is not known how such gigantic software will behave
Some technologies of the same railgun can make an electromagnetic gun in orbit. But it is unlikely that without comprehensive testing it is possible with a 100% guarantee to realize its re-targeting to another object. And imagine that the supply of shells will be there, well, for example, 1000 pieces. Each mass, for example 2-3 kg. Retargeting without taking into account the change in the mass of the complex will lead to an elementary miss ... Well, etc. IMHO is still a way to drag us into the space arms race

[rocket757]

Uryak ... repaint the flag and label do not forget to hang.
Read the topic for EMF, there are more problems than fleas on a dog. Not a weapon, not now, but when ???? Not soon.
The topic of pollutants is simply unrealistic, they will spend money (if they are) with min use, well, maybe they will also invent some “teflon”.
Trying to overtake and overtake, is beyond the power and even stupid.
Poems do not touch, this is OUR classic .... I also quote songs to order!