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Project "ZZ". Russia will be ruled by the Supreme Military Council and the FSB

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History The future, which Western analysts diligently study, has established: Russia in the coming years will be ruled not by Putin himself or his protégé appointed by the Yeltsin canon, but by the omnipotent team of military and special services. True, the variant of the sly "heir to the throne", who will promptly "tired" Putin in time, is not excluded.




Putin's re-election? It is obvious. But what about continuity? Neil McFarkar argues on this topic in one of the largest American newspapers - "New York Times". Mr. Macfarkar offers a very unusual look at the future of Russia. More precisely, the future management of Russia.

What do Russian analysts think today about the upcoming election campaign, which will precede the 2018 presidential election of the year? Their answers are very similar: tent, carnival, parallel reality and so on.

The obvious victory of Vladimir Putin in the upcoming elections seems to be not so important to the author of the material as the opinion of those experts who assure him is important: the real fight will unfold not in 2018, but closer to 2024. In that struggle, it will become clear who will inherit the next six years of being in power.

Putin's “courtiers” today are about 40 or 50 people. These are the people of the Kremlin and their allies, oligarchs, the journalist said. And here they will spend the next years in the “struggle” for the “next presidential term” and, therefore, for the future of the state.

“The choice itself does not matter,” said Gleb Pavlovsky, a political analyst and former Kremlin consultant. People surrounded by the president "decide the question of who they themselves will be after Putin. Here is the main motive of the struggle: the battle for a place in the system after Putin’s departure. ”

True, no one “can be sure” of what Mr. Putin will do when his next term ends, according to Macfarkar. Persons from his inner circle are still preparing for the day when he leaves the presidency. These people "are striving to preserve their power and avoid any consequences that may follow the change of leader." Therefore, after the last constitutional term in the Kremlin, Putin’s “courtyard” will focus “on self-preservation rather than on serving Putin.”

It is expected that the coming struggle for power in Russia will demonstrate “all that drama” that “is so lacking” of the current presidential race. Intrigues are expected to break out from behind the walls of the Kremlin.

And the “corruption” case of the former minister Ulyukaev will seem like flowers here.

“It is impossible to hide the enormous tension, the enormous degree of uncertainty that has been created within the Russian elite,” said Konstantin Haase, a political analyst working at the Moscow Carnegie Center website. According to him, these people “will do stupid things; they will blackmail each other; they will scribble denunciations of each other and put them on the table for Putin. ”

According to other analysts, President Putin now thinks that an attempt to save the post in the Kremlin for life would be a mistake. One who has stayed on the throne for too long can be overthrown: it was well shown by the fresh bitter experience of President Mugabe in Zimbabwe, who sat in the 37 chair for years.

“Putin thinks of himself as a historical figure, and he knows that if he wants to get into historical books, he should not repeat Mugabe’s mistake: he must choose the right time and leave,” says Konstantin Kalachev, political strategist, head of the Political expert group.

At the same time, the author of the article in the New York Times notes, Mr. Putin will probably want to retain the political role after the 2024 year, and not just “move to a dacha” or, even worse, “go to jail ".

“He can't just leave,” says Haaze. “He knows perfectly well that if his successor fails, they will both be held accountable.”

There is another opinion, a special one: Putin will change the constitution. He will create some kind of Supreme Military Council or some Security Council. Of course, he himself will appoint his leader - for the sake of his influence. “I can’t imagine a situation where he will transfer all power to a successor; he does not trust anyone, ”asserts Mr. Haase.

Earlier, Putin “did something similar,” the journalist notes. When his second presidential term in 2008 ended, he moved to the post of prime minister, who served during Dmitry Medvedev’s one-off presidency, realizing that it was he (Putin) who remained the true leader of the country.

Mr. Yeltsin, the author further recalls, "appointed Putin to be his successor in the 2000 year." Since those times, Putin "was the most powerful man in Russia."

“Today we have Putin’s Russia,” said Mr. Pavlovsky. - If Putin leaves, Putin's Russia should leave too. This is also a dangerous situation. His entourage understands this and wants to preserve Putin’s Russia after his departure. ”

Therefore, the “various factions” of Putin’s “court” will strive to convince the president to name his heir, who will best preserve the interests of the elite group. At the same time, “candidates” must be extremely careful not to be “an immediate threat to the president.” Anyone who is in too much of a hurry can be “cleaned up”. In short, "openly seek the title of heir," no one should.

And yet it’s obvious: there are signs of “Putin’s tiredness,” the journalist writes. And because of this, several of the toughest leaders among the elite have open scandals. The case of Ulyukaev, who faces up to 10 years in a penal colony, reaches out to Sechin, the “former military intelligence agent”: after all, Mr. Ulyukayev did not plead guilty and accused Mr. Sechin of developing a cloak and dagger. Then the former minister warned the Kremlin’s elite: someone's file could be next!

In addition to Ulyukaev, Sechin seems intent on crushing AFK Sistema, a rich investment company, against which lawsuits have been filed, despite public warnings from Putin himself, continues to be an American journalist.

Finally, Sechin publicly promised to work with Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov. Both are showing an increasing desire to "act independently of Putin."

According to analysts, McFarkar points out further, the more Mr. Putin becomes a “lame duck”, the less he can influence the choice of “successor”. The number of "Kremlin insiders" will only grow.



The topic of the aforementioned Supreme Military Council (or the Security Council), which MacFarkar spoke about, received an unexpected continuation in the Slovak press. It turns out that the Kremlin, through the special services, decided to take the hands of Russian science.

As Marian Balaz writes on the portal Aktualne.sk (Slovakia), the Kremlin "again attacked freedom in Russia." This time, "restrictions have touched science and research," quoted the Slovak material "InoSMI".

Since 1993, Russian scientists are obliged to submit to the special services for approval “all of their research, scientific work and articles related, for example, to industry”. But recently, Putin went further and changed the law on state secrets: his action was extended to all areas of science and research related to new products and discoveries. And now universities and research centers "should require their scientists to send their works for approval to the special services." For example, the Moscow State University Biological Faculty has already compiled an “instruction for employees, according to which all their works must be approved by special services before presentations at conferences or published in journals.”

A certain researcher of the “largest university of Russia” stated that this was “a return to Soviet times, when permission was needed to send an article to an international journal, which stated that the results were not new and not important, which means that they could be published abroad ".

The new system works like this: before publication of labor in a journal or before a presentation, a scientist is obliged to request permission in the First Division of the FSB. The relevant department is open "at every Russian university and research institute."

This is “the complete degradation of academic and research freedom, the return of censorship and the demotivation of the academic and scientific community,” concludes Marian Balaz. Where will Putin come with such ideas? After all, the Russian government wants the five Russian universities to 2020 year entered the hundred best universities in the world. But "the measures taken by Putin contradict such goals." And even worse is that "such steps, apparently, are aimed at eliminating the critics of the Putin regime." “If a researcher critically responds about Putin and his policies, the security services will not approve his research and, thus, hamper his scientific career,” Balaz said.

The theme of “tired Putin” was touched on by the Czech portal iDNES.cz, which was given an interview by the British analyst Mark Galeotti.

In his opinion, Vladimir Putin will not necessarily complete a new six-year term to the end.

“He needs a successor to insure him,” the analyst quotes "InoSMI".

“I personally think that Putin is tired,” the expert notes. - It is noticeable that in his public speeches he is not as energetic and full of enthusiasm as before. He began to spend less time in the Kremlin, to participate less in the routine political process. ” “He would be happy to leave if he could,” adds Galeotti. “But the problem is that if he did this, his position would become extremely vulnerable.” Even if tomorrow he signed a law that no former president can be judged, someone else can repeal this law. Therefore, Putin needs a successor who will insure him. ” And if Putin succeeds in finding a replacement for himself, he is unlikely to “hold the presidency for all six years.”

* * *


So, foreign, and at the same time Russian analysts have two versions of the history of the future.

1. Putin is leaving, having worked another six-year term in the Kremlin. Even during his stay in the chair starts an uncompromising struggle for power and influence among the representatives of the current Putin "court". Actually, the fight has already begun, and among the fighters in the front ranks is Mr. Sechin, who, due to his considerable influence, is often mentioned by various experts.

The Putin system, left without an obvious heir, can break down, and Russia will face a new, unknown future.

2. Putin leaves the seat in the Kremlin ahead of time, not having worked for six years, and, like Yeltsin, transfers his post to his chosen successor. A person whom he fully trusts.

In this case, the Putin system as a whole will continue, and the country will not expect major changes. Scientists at the same time finally fall under the hood of the FSB and degrade: some European experts believe in this.

However, the question of the successor seems to almost all experts to be extremely doubtful: after all, Putin "does not trust anyone."
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  1. Baloo
    Baloo 13 December 2017 09: 24 New
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    The article demonstrates attempts to influence "experts" on public opinion. GDP has already become a historical figure in life, comparable in contribution to state construction with Peter 1 and others. GDP is the antithesis of ebn, burbulis, chubais and other mold.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 13 December 2017 09: 29 New
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      The antipode?! And why does this cohort feel good with the antipode? And continues to be outrageous? And will it not work out in four years .. before the New Year from the Kremlin office they will get the bewildered man in a hat crowded by someone else's hand? He is far from Peter as far as Beijing. .
      Quote: Balu
      The article demonstrates attempts to influence "experts" on public opinion. GDP has already become a historical figure in life, comparable in contribution to state construction with Peter 1 and others. GDP is the antithesis of ebn, burbulis, chubais and other mold.
      1. Hard Rock
        Hard Rock 13 December 2017 11: 05 New
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        No, they won’t get it, but about Peter, I wouldn’t get excited. Putin is a person, and Peter lived in completely different conditions and times. Do you need Putin to rule as a "Moscow dragon"? I personally would like that! And the liberals would hang on all the pillars, and there would be neither an echo, nor a Yeltsin center, nor much else.
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 13 December 2017 14: 44 New
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          Quote: Hard Rock
          No, they won’t get it, but about Peter, I wouldn’t get excited. Putin is a person, and Peter lived in completely different conditions and times. Do you need Putin to rule as a "Moscow dragon"? I personally would like that! And the liberals would hang on all the pillars, and there would be neither an echo, nor a Yeltsin center, nor much else.

          That is, the GDP was “banned” from investigating the “liberals” affairs in the field of privatization, while the Yeltsin center itself grew in Yekaterinburg like a mushroom in the forest?
        2. Mikhail Filippov
          Mikhail Filippov 13 December 2017 16: 28 New
          +6
          You forget, it used to be. With the "enemies of the people." But this is how they put an end to the "enemies" of the people, and set to work on their "friends." How many communists were repressed? How many security officers were shot? Comparison with Peter is also not worth doing, because from the current point of view he is "lackey of the West", for he forced the Russians to adopt all Western habits.
          What will happen after Putin? And the redistribution will be
        3. Vladimir Amelin
          Vladimir Amelin 13 December 2017 17: 52 New
          +1
          Well said!
        4. demo
          demo 13 December 2017 18: 09 New
          +2
          What if Pol Pot?
          Who would then hang where?
          Or Samos?
          I hope you know what I mean?
          Any person has his own set of life attitudes.
          Some are ready to defend them at the cost of life! Opponent.
        5. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 13 December 2017 21: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Hard Rock
          And the liberals would hang on all the pillars, and there would be neither an echo, nor a Yeltsin center, nor much else.

          And the Companions-Menshikovs with billions of fortunes would have plundered the Country ...
        6. Dr_engie
          Dr_engie 13 December 2017 23: 40 New
          0
          Why don't you all sit still.
          Some want to burn half the world in nuclear fire, others to land in New York, and others to hang up on the lampposts of those who disagree.
          Damn, "Guys, let's live together"
          1. Article 2 of the article
            Article 2 of the article 14 December 2017 07: 46 New
            +1
            I agree to all two hundred, but some hang there is a temptation
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 13 December 2017 11: 34 New
        +8
        "This slate will never be able to guess what I will go" (from Vysotsky V.S.)
        It’s worth it to pull, if Russia is a country even with an unpredictable past. laughing
        1. Julio Jurenito
          Julio Jurenito 13 December 2017 13: 20 New
          +3
          Good drug dealers at these analytes ...
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 13 December 2017 23: 49 New
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            Quote: Julio Jurenito
            Good drug dealers at these analytes ...

            Yeah. It is especially interesting why they care about GDP, and at the same time, we are absolutely convinced that Merkelikha is stirring up a fourth term in Germany. Oh yes, the same Merkel - she can.
      3. dauria
        dauria 13 December 2017 11: 36 New
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        And why does this cohort feel good with the antipode?


        That's right. First, it would be nice to find out who Putin is, how far his “power” extends, how many people in the shadows rule the country, who they are, what kind of squabble they have, how united the flock is. But who will tell you this. And then forecasts.
        And then they drove us in the head, whether one person tossed the country. It doesn’t happen with any king.
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 13 December 2017 14: 22 New
          +7
          Stalin I.V turned over, not without the help of his comrades-in-arms of course, but he turned over!
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 13 December 2017 15: 52 New
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            Stalin is still a collective power, although the final decisions were left to him personally (position and position were binding). Remember what his posts were called. Here, for example: Secretary CC VKP (b) (1934 — 1952), Secretary CC CPSU (1952 — 1953); The chairman Council of People's Commissars USSR (1941 — 1946), Chairman Council of Ministers USSR (1946 — 1953), Chairman of the State Of the Committee Defense (1941 — 1945) Chair The Council People's Commissars of the USSR (1941 — 1946), Chairman The Council Of Ministers of the USSR (1946 — 1953), Chairman of the State Of the Committee Defense (1941 — 1945).
            It looks like now. If you want to know who really rules Russia, look at the composition of the Security Council of Russia.
            1. Pax tecum
              Pax tecum 13 December 2017 16: 05 New
              +5
              The Security Council of the Russian Federation is a constitutional deliberative body under the President of the Russian Federation, preparing decisions of the president on ensuring the protection of the vital interests of the individual, society and the state from internal and external threats, and pursuing a unified state policy to ensure national security.
              Currently, permanent members and members of the Security Council appointed on a personal basis (and not by job); they all have an advisory vote at meetings.
        2. E_V_N
          E_V_N 13 December 2017 14: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: dauria
          And then they drove us in the head, whether one person tossed the country. It doesn’t happen with any king.

          When the king was not, under the USSR it was, and the GDP came from the USSR. Vaughn Yeltsin shot the Parliament, and he monument and the Yeltsin Center.
          1. Mikhail Filippov
            Mikhail Filippov 13 December 2017 16: 37 New
            +9
            Yeltsin is also from the USSR. Yes, I shot it. But it was he who called Putin his successor. And Putin, with his first law on “former presidents,” gave him and his family security guarantees
            1. tracer
              tracer 13 December 2017 16: 47 New
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              Perhaps Yeltsin was forced to introduce the receiver and simply left no way out. And thank God that there was a force that changed the course of history.
              1. Mikhail Filippov
                Mikhail Filippov 14 December 2017 13: 27 New
                +1
                This force is called B.A. Berezovsky. He sponsored the Fatherland-All Russia party (and, subsequently, United Russia). Putin was the person who organized the security forces and the oligarchs
            2. E_V_N
              E_V_N 13 December 2017 22: 08 New
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              Quote: Mikhail Filippov
              Yeltsin also comes from the USSR

              Well, you can call all the leaders of the USSR. Lenin until 1920. Stalin to death. Khrushchev. Brezhnev, Andropov, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and GDP all from the USSR and all had almost unlimited Power. This is what we are talking about.
        3. Mikhail Filippov
          Mikhail Filippov 13 December 2017 16: 36 New
          +6
          Well look. He returned many old siloviki to the cause. He did not touch some Yeltsin officials (Chubais, Kiriyenko, Stepashin, Glazyev). He gave wealth and influence to many of his friends and colleagues. All of them are obliged to some extent. And they all do not digest each other. Putin "restrains" them from each other. That’s who Putin is.
          But it will not be - there will be a redivision
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 13 December 2017 22: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Mikhail Filippov
            Well look. He returned many old siloviki to the cause. He did not touch some Yeltsin officials (Chubais, Kiriyenko, Stepashin, Glazyev). He gave wealth and influence to many of his friends and colleagues. All of them are obliged to some extent. And they all do not digest each other. Putin "restrains" them from each other. That’s who Putin is.

            Yes, you throw "deify" the GDP. Do you consider his every step thought out and a hundred times balanced? This is not true. Having lived in Germany for many years, the GDP well represents the Western mentality and mindset of the Western elite (hence the relative “successes” in foreign policy), but poorly understands domestic economic life (hence the “complete calm” in domestic politics). The bad thing is that GDP does not trust anyone, so it has allies, but no team.
            1. Mikhail Filippov
              Mikhail Filippov 14 December 2017 13: 31 New
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              And I don’t consider him a genius. But the fact that he loves power I do not deny. And he picked up people who owe him ... but who don’t really love each other
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N 14 December 2017 15: 48 New
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                Quote: Mikhail Filippov
                And I don’t consider him a genius. But the fact that he loves power I do not deny. And he picked up people who owe him ... but who don’t really love each other

                Well you give. Cooperative "Lake" GDP created and scored members? Admission to the sports section of GDP in charge? Where to go to serve and with whom did the GDP decide? Sobchak team also formed the GDP?
                1. Mikhail Filippov
                  Mikhail Filippov 14 December 2017 17: 36 New
                  +1
                  No. But do not underestimate it. Moreover, now under each decree is the signature of the GDP
      4. Kawado s
        Kawado s 13 December 2017 12: 29 New
        +4
        The antipode?! And why does this cohort feel good with the antipode? And continues to be outrageous? And will it not work out in four years .. before the New Year from the Kremlin office they will get the bewildered man in a hat crowded by someone else's hand? He is far from Peter as far as Beijing. .

        very superficial ... but not without logic.
        However, it is very difficult to say what will happen in 4 years, but most likely "in four years" the receiver will come to power, and the GDP will go into the shadows ... or at the Premieres.
        The “cohort” itself, if it has not yet been merged, performs a certain function, at least it is an additional channel of communication with the West, and at the very least, these are the comrades through whom the West is forced to sponsor the Russian economy in order to maintain a certain level in the Russian Federation.
        But in general, the “big game” is a muddy cloud and wondering that something “not transparent” or “not logical” is naive.
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 13 December 2017 14: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: Kawado S
          But in general, the “big game” is a muddy cloud and wondering that something “not transparent” or “not logical” is naive.

          I think the "Big Game" is a phantom in the heads of numerous analysts, everything is much simpler if you do not pray for a "conspiracy theory." "Hu is Putin" is not understood only by those who are looking for hints in turning the head and the color of the tie worn. "Tall blond in a yellow boot" to them as a teaching tool.
      5. igorka357
        igorka357 13 December 2017 14: 20 New
        +3
        Oh, how do you dream about this, you will run out of saliva, and grudge if this happens, Putin did not personally provide you with a salary .. laughing ! I’ve been watching your comments for a long time! But this will not happen, he became a person in the fate of Russia and will remain, and as you were nobody, you will remain nobody, and in the end he will also be a whiner and a crybaby;
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 13 December 2017 15: 34 New
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          Quote: igorka357
          he became a person in the fate of Russia and will remain, and you as you were nobody, you will remain nobody
          Powerfully licked, gambler! So them, these little believers and whiners! After all, every Putriot knows for certain that "if not Putin, then who?"
          Quote: igorka357
          I’ve been watching your comments for a long time!
          In the FSB, signal this hidden internal enemy.
      6. sashok1951.21
        sashok1951.21 13 December 2017 16: 34 New
        +3
        Well, he visited Beijing more than once. So he had already bypassed Peter and there was no one to get him out of the Kremlin. Is that 210q?
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 13 December 2017 18: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: sashok1951.21
          Well, he visited Beijing more than once. So he had already bypassed Peter and there was no one to get him out of the Kremlin. Is that 210q?

          210ox got excited. Forgive him this error. Just watched 60 minutes on the first channel, another presidential contender for businessmen P. Titov. He says beautifully that you can listen at least until the morning. Only now I don’t see the specifics, it leaves direct questions, everything Stolypin quotes, educated, probably there is a hat. And even sometimes it takes the metro. Yours on the board! And still I don’t believe it. Early for him as president. He wants to go to Singapore and China in the first place when he becomes president. Like to learn from them how to make a jerk. So the reforms in Singapore and China were accompanied by tough anti-corruption measures, only Pyotr Arkadievich hesitated, not ready.
          Smart, educated, entrepreneur. Early in the presidency. To begin with, let him work instead of Ulyukaev or Medvedev, there we will find out who he is and what he can.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 13 December 2017 21: 47 New
            +1
            You know those who talk a lot, do little to do .. Speak, confuse, stir up .. And steal, steal, steal .. An example of activists with secrets!
          2. seal78
            seal78 13 December 2017 22: 24 New
            +1
            The secret of the “breakthrough” of Singapore and China (both Japan and South Korea) is very simple - huge financial injections of the USA. This does not threaten us)
          3. Alber
            Alber 14 December 2017 05: 48 New
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            Quote: Balu
            Smart, educated, entrepreneur.


            Yes, I learned to steal ...

            Quote: Balu
            To begin with, let him work instead of Ulyukaev or Medvedev, there we will find out who he is and what he can.

            Another Serdyukov! Kiriyenko, or even Chubais?
            What decent people in Russia is completely gone?
        2. 210ox
          210ox 13 December 2017 18: 40 New
          +2
          We’ll wait and see. Who, how and when. I mean from the Kremlin. And the fact that GDP is influenced by a certain group of people is just not visible to the blind.
          Quote: sashok1951.21
          Well, he visited Beijing more than once. So he had already bypassed Peter and there was no one to get him out of the Kremlin. Is that 210q?
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 13 December 2017 10: 09 New
      +5
      "New York Times". Mr. McFarkar offers a very unconventional view of the future of Russia. "" "
      America has never interfered and will not interfere in elections in other countries and their future, and even more so in Russia .. It is always all countries, and above all, the Russian Federation intervenes in elections in the United States, especially its presidents wink
    3. katana
      katana 13 December 2017 10: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Balu
      The article demonstrates attempts to influence "experts" on public opinion. GDP has already become a historical figure in life, comparable in contribution to state construction with Peter 1 and others. GDP is the antithesis of ebn, burbulis, chubais and other mold.

      Well, it’s you who are a little pissed off when comparing President Putin with Peter 1. Most Russian forum users compare Putin with the great Roman Guy Julius Caesar !! Yes, and outwardly they are similar to each other. Most Russians believe that it was not Octavian Augustus who was Julia Caesar’s grand grand nephew, but Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin! I am writing without any sarcasm.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 13 December 2017 11: 19 New
        +9
        Quote: katana
        Most Russians believe that it was not Octavian Augustus who was Julius Caesar’s grand-nephew, but Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin! I am writing without any sarcasm.

        Yes lana, without sarcasm. So the majority now dignify you? You probably did not sleep all night, worked. First of all, order should be brought around you, in your area of ​​responsibility. It is good that the GDP will never read your koment, would laugh for a long time, especially the "most forum users." During the reign of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, how old were you? probably don’t remember anything. Did not deal with the fight? In aikido there are no sparring at competitions, only a demonstration of technology. But in training, even in children's groups, competent coaches arrange 1 against two, one against three. Not a sparing technique. Probably also in combat sambo, I was not in training, I don’t know.
        There is a hybrid war against Russia. Already three media hens and Berkova and Bogdanova who joined them also want to be presidents of Russia. The article demonstrates one of the hostile approaches to influence Russian society. The creation of false truths. The position and pseudo-fighters with corruption only tryndyat, and where are the appeals to the prosecutor's office. It is very convenient to sit on the couch and spit with a knowing view of everyone. This is not an attempt to protect GDP, it does not need it. This is a private opinion.
      2. andj61
        andj61 13 December 2017 12: 13 New
        +6
        Quote: katana
        Quote: Balu
        The article demonstrates attempts to influence "experts" on public opinion. GDP has already become a historical figure in life, comparable in contribution to state construction with Peter 1 and others. GDP is the antithesis of ebn, burbulis, chubais and other mold.

        Well, it’s you who are a little pissed off when comparing President Putin with Peter 1. Most Russian forum users compare Putin with the great Roman Guy Julius Caesar !! Yes, and outwardly they are similar to each other. Most Russians believe that it was not Octavian Augustus who was Julia Caesar’s grand grand nephew, but Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin! I am writing without any sarcasm.

        some resemblance is definitely present! bully hi
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 13 December 2017 13: 14 New
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          andj61some resemblance is definitely present!
          I do not see. The ears are different, the superciliary arches are different, the noses are different, the section of the eyes is different.
          In general, Caesar came to Greece from Ukraine and taught the Greek in the Ukrainian language. And then all together went to dig the Black Sea.
          1. Alber
            Alber 14 December 2017 05: 55 New
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            Quote: Balu
            andj61some resemblance is definitely present!
            I do not see. The ears are different, the superciliary arches are different, the noses are different, the section of the eyes is different.
            In general, Caesar came to Greece from Ukraine and taught the Greek in the Ukrainian language. And then all together went to dig the Black Sea.


            )) Caesar’s neck is thinner. Probably not engaged in a fight, but chatted more ...
            And most importantly, curly hair, unlike ours
      3. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 13 December 2017 16: 39 New
        +6
        After the death of Caesar, Rome was mired in a civil war. After the death of Peter, Russia was mired in palace coups. And after Putin’s death there will be a big redistribution of power and, most importantly, property
    4. AA17
      AA17 13 December 2017 11: 15 New
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      Dear, Balu. "... GDP has already become a historical figure in life ..." - the phrase is interesting, but so far unfinished. GDP still has time. But, I’m afraid that there will be the next continuation of “... GDP has already become a historical figure ...”, but which could not realize the fantastic opportunities for the development of the Russian economy obtained from fabulous prices for natural raw materials. Will he be able to rise to the level of our reformist leaders, such as: Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, IV Stalin - this is a question. So far, from the significant successes, only the progressive growth of billionaires in Russia can be called.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 13 December 2017 11: 42 New
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        Quote: AA17
        So far, from the significant successes, only the progressive growth of billionaires in Russia can be called.

        Look at what kind of cars people drive, in which apartments they live, how and where do they rest - are they all millionaires and embezzlers? People have always been unequal, everyone earns as they can. In my work, I see how, despite all the levels of medicine, accessibility, quality, complexity is growing. Yes, there are unresolved issues. Here are just calls to raise money for treatment abroad, I always cause a bitter grin. The truth of life is that only in 2016. over 90 thousand patients have been treated in Russia. The second truth is that there are few unique operations that can only be performed in individual foreign clinics. the third truth is that when foreign clinics respond come, we’ll cure it, there’s nothing but a motive to lure and take money. No one keeps statistics on how many drove away with their own feet, but returned to the coffin or on a stretcher with serious complications to die. Medvedev is a weak prime minister and a worthless president, because he does not know the main rule of mediation — management should be rational, intelligible, and controlled. It's good that he put up with it.
        I am with both hands for raising salaries and pensions, for the fight against corruption, lack of professionalism and indifference to the problem of people. But something depends on our position and our actions. What is the use of merging steam on billions of marches? I know from work that when an inadequate nonsense achieves his goal, he sends letters besides the organizations competent in resolving the issue to two dozen addresses.
        And you don’t need to press much courage to sit on the claudia sofa. Pay attention to how many new entertainment programs have appeared, the purpose of which is to awaken activity, positive activity, competitiveness, creativity in society ...
        That’s where I agree one hundred percent, at state-owned enterprises, the salaries and bonuses of management should be strictly tied to the salaries of ordinary performers, and this proportion should not be higher than 1:10. Here we have a missile missile launch, a failure with the Olympians ... Actions, where are the actions? Vocational education Mutko-navigator + lawyer. What are his personal achievements in sports, in what form is he a pro? Unsinkability is evident in his business connections, ability to attract investment.
        1. AA17
          AA17 13 December 2017 13: 33 New
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          Dear, Balu. "... People have always been unequal .." - Your phrase. All people are born equal. (If you wanted to say that everyone has different talents, then I agree with that.) Further, the conventions of the social system. Someone is born in the family of the count, and someone in the family of a shoemaker. Further related privileges. The best food, the best education, the best education, etc. In the USSR, there was a minimal social set, which made it possible to live with dignity, even a janitor, at least a cleaner. There were social elevators that helped to achieve a high position in society, with the unconditional presence of professionalism. In our current reality, this is unattainable. You can paint the bench at your porch 100500 times, but the prices for utilities will not decrease. There are some issues that only the state can solve. Zhores Alferov: “If a citizen is forced to pay for education and medical care, to accumulate a pension from his own means, to pay housing and utilities at the market price, then why do I need such a state ?! Why should I still pay taxes and maintain a crazy army "I always said at all levels that health care, education and science should be provided from the budget. If the state puts this concern on us, let it disappear, it will be much easier for us!"
        2. E_V_N
          E_V_N 13 December 2017 15: 16 New
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          Quote: Balu
          Look at what kind of cars people drive, in which apartments they live, how and where do they rest - are they all millionaires and embezzlers?

          The design of the machines has improved, the quality has fallen, and the cars have become more beautiful (although the concept of beauty is a purely individual thing), but "disposable." The quality of new buildings is many times worse than the secondary, although many times more expensive. Housing has not become more affordable. Egypt-Turkey ersatz "rest" from a series of eat-bask. Or want to say cognitive tourism prevails? Well, as for the availability of medicine, I agree that the possibilities of domestic medicine have increased, there is no availability of medicine. Now it’s necessary not only to go to the hospital with a problem, but also to find a competent doctor to make the correct diagnosis, to find out where your illness is well treated, to find a friend so that you wouldn’t be “kicked” and find money to pay for " free "treatment. Under the law, children are treated for free, but for some reason funds are constantly being raised for operations and treatment of children, and by no means necessarily abroad, but also in Russian clinics.
          Take off the pink glasses.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 13 December 2017 18: 42 New
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            Quote: E_V_N
            The quality of new buildings is significantly worse than the secondary

            I have been living in a 17-story new building for 19 years. In winter we sleep with open window panes, it's hot.
            Quote: E_V_N
            Now you need not only to go to the hospital with a problem, but also to find a competent doctor to make the correct diagnosis, to find out where your illness is well treated, to find a friend so that you wouldn’t be “kicked”

            It has always been that way. Alas, I watched Aesculapius himself (later went to the medical representatives for drugs): “You understand that your life is in my hands ... There are always such things. He removed the plastic, the patient asked me to return it: it’s Japanese, the doctor put the last for me. And Shteiman’s record , they can only be in Africa as humanitarian aid in some Gabon.
            find money to pay for a “free” treatment the problem will be solved by professionally trained specialists of the IC Prosecutor's Office or UBEP.
            Under the law, children are treated for free, but for some reason funds are constantly being raised for operations and treatment of children, and by no means necessarily abroad, but also in Russian clinics's.
            And this is, the reason is the dissatisfaction of doctors with salaries, underfunding.
            It needs 9% of GDP, not 3.6%. Lack of funds for consumables forces the hospital administration to "develop paid services." Like stand in line, or pay and without line. I am against, but there is a shortage of beds on my face. I know the reduction figure of 130 thousand beds in recent years. Another reason in Russia is practically absent. Medical industry and Pharmaceutical industry. Raw materials for drugs are mainly foreign. A lot of problems, no money, but you hang on there and your mood is horrified. hi
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 13 December 2017 18: 57 New
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              Quote: Balu
              I know the reduction figure of 130 thousand beds in recent years.

              We have 1,8 million people in the entire region, they left 120 for insulators !!! beds !!!
              The rest can easily die, the ringleaders will arrive in 5 minutes. and the price tag will be offered “real” with pop dances or bezz, the appearance of two priests to the people will cost 10 tyrov, with songs for two voices, censers, candles, instructions and educational program, as it should and should not be remembered
              1. Baloo
                Baloo 13 December 2017 19: 10 New
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                Quote: Stroporez
                1,8 million people are in the whole region, 120 were left for insulators !!! beds !!!

                I believe. And in our Tatarstan, on the contrary, in some CRH, departments of patients with vascular pathology were opened.
            2. E_V_N
              E_V_N 13 December 2017 22: 47 New
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              Quote: Balu
              I have been living in a 17-story new building for 19 years. In winter we sleep with open window panes, it's hot.

              Sorry, but for 17 years this is no longer a new building, most likely not a modern "monolith". The fact that you have to open the winter windows from the heat just indicates low comfort and quality. In addition, “warm at home” is not the only criterion. And how do you hear, but how does the nail in the wall hold, but does not blow from the windows ?, and the floor is not cold? etc.

              Quote: Balu
              to find the money to pay for the “free” treatment, the problem will be solved by professionally trained specialists of the IC Prosecutor's Office or UBEP.

              You are probably a doctor and I will not argue with you on professional medical topics, but trust me with the "professionally trained specialists of the IC Prosecutor's Office or UBEP" problems are even worse than in the medicine you know. It’s like representing medicine and organs on the films “Streets of Broken Lights” and “Interns”.

              Quote: Balu
              And this is, the reason is the dissatisfaction of doctors with salaries, underfunding.

              I do not agree, salaries have nothing to do with it, there is a vocation, but there is "making money." today 100 dream, a year later is not enough, another level of other expenses. in two years, a million are satisfied, in another year it’s gone. And then ... why should I develop my 000 lyamas for life?
              I agree with regards to underfunding, medicine should be provided with everything you need, but there is one but .. often it’s not very necessary to buy for a lot of money, but there’s more for a rollback. Purchased is not put into operation. The staff does not know how to work on new equipment and maintain it. Necessary consumables are not purchased or they are extremely expensive. It’s more profitable to buy over the hill (a trip abroad, and the rollback is easier to hide immediately in offshore), hence the dead medical industry and pharmaceuticals.
      2. Per se.
        Per se. 13 December 2017 11: 55 New
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        Quote: AA17
        GDP still has time.
        Putin, or someone else, has exactly as much time as the Soviet safety margin remains, primarily in science, in the development of our armed forces. This is hardly a lot of time. The third term is GDP, it is a litmus, who "is hu," Putin, "real colonel", communist and KGBshnik, returning Russia to the independent power pole, reanimated socialist orientation, with the support of the army and the people, or it becomes clear to everyone that he "won the dragon", and will only attempt to squeeze a share from the West, or attempts to create a "parallel" capitalist system, with friends oligarchs. For the prosperity and survival of Russia, there is only a socialist way of development, so as if you are at a different pole of power, with capitalism selected from the dustbin of history, nothing good will happen. If we nod at the "hybrid" model of China, we must understand that the West all this allows the PRC only because it sees in China an eastern anti-Russia, and modern China on our borders, as a potential aggressor, capable, like the Third Reich, to solve the problem with the self-sufficiency of Russia. If Putin is just a friend of the oligarchs, Russia will have two main scenarios. First, with the end of the Soviet safety margin, degradation, lag, the transformation of the country into a colony, the protectorate of the West, the surrender of the country by the bad guys for all that they have amassed with "overwork." Second, the military coup, the emergence of the Russian "Pinochet", only a communist, when the Army itself will rise, by virtue of preserving the sovereignty of the country, the very preservation of Russia as a great power. In this version, Western analysts may be close to the truth, as is the case if Putin himself “crosses the Rubicon”, leads the “coup”, from dependent capitalism to socialism.
        1. Anyone
          Anyone 13 December 2017 12: 53 New
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          I fully agree with the assessment of the prospects and with the postulate that the kinetic impulse of the USSR is almost exhausted.
        2. AA17
          AA17 13 December 2017 12: 58 New
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          Dear, Per se. My friend and I talked about evolutionary transformations in Russia. We came to the conclusion: At this stage, 10% of the richest Russians own 89% of the total wealth of all Russian households. These people live well and change is unnecessary. 10% - it will be 14,5 million citizens of Russia. Plus - family members, relatives, friends, subordinates, etc. Total typed 20%. These people will fiercely resist any evolutionary change that worsens their well-being. What to do with them?
          1. 34 region
            34 region 13 December 2017 13: 38 New
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            AA17, 12:58. *** 14,5 million citizens of Russia. Plus - family members, relatives, friends, subordinates, etc. Total typed 20%. These people will fiercely resist any evolutionary change that worsens their well-being. What to do with them? *** All these people are convicted by both power and money. They will not overthrow themselves. hi
          2. Per se.
            Per se. 13 December 2017 13: 54 New
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            Quote: AA17
            What to do with them?
            Dear Alexander Anatolyevich, I will try to answer you. First, the "most wealthy Russians," practically dig anyone, the stigma in fluff, one way or another, acquired by "overworking labor" is connected with crime, violations of the law. It is unlikely that they do not have any dossier, incriminating evidence, and, wish Putin, you can take advantage of this, those who are not "proclaimed", will not be seated, they will press their ass. It is possible, and how Benito Mussolini squeezed his gangsters from Italy, to say "a suitcase, London (New York) train station", otherwise, on the bench (against the wall). Perhaps there are more "humane" ways (the new NEP for the transition period), but, unequivocally, the power should not belong to these carcasses in chocolate. By relying on the army and the people, that is, the remaining 80% of the population, it is quite possible to solve the problem, would and desire be.
            1. AA17
              AA17 13 December 2017 14: 27 New
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              Dear, Per se. "... wish Putin .." - the phrase is tempting and promising. Tell me reasons that might motivate Putin's desire to sort out his environment. In addition to the "poor and miserable" Ulyukaev, recently there are no examples. Recall the history of our homeland, Ivan the Terrible dealt with the boyars with the help of the guardsmen (small noblemen). The result is the expansion of the borders of the state, Peter the Great brought closer the poor nobles to fight the boyars. The result - the expansion of the borders of the state, the rise of the economy. I.V. Stalin suppression of Trotskyism in the party. The result - industrialization, the Victory of 1945. Actions are needed, actions are needed. Let's see what GDP will offer us for the next presidential term. Is he ready for reform ???
              1. Mikhail Filippov
                Mikhail Filippov 13 December 2017 16: 53 New
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                What happened after them? After Ivan - “troubled times”, after Peter - “palace coups”.
          3. E_V_N
            E_V_N 13 December 2017 15: 30 New
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            Quote: AA17
            At this stage, 10% of the richest Russians own 89% of the total wealth of all Russian households. These people live well and change is unnecessary. 10% - it will be 14,5 million citizens of Russia. Plus - family members, relatives, friends, subordinates, etc. Total typed 20%.

            10% include just family members, relatives, friends, etc.
            There is other evidence that 2% own 80% of wealth. and this is "only" 3 million
            But I must disappoint you, in 1917 the ratio of the distribution of wealth was about the same as the number of citizens of the Russian Empire. What came out of it you are sure to know.
        3. 34 region
          34 region 13 December 2017 13: 34 New
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          Per se., 11:55. The presence of a communist in Putin is highly doubtful. Here it is more like a rule through the oligarchy and under power control. Corruption arrests are more of a way to control the nobles. They are watching you! There are also those responsible for those who are watching. Only Khoroshavin conceived what, Colonel Zakharchenko was to him. And after the colonel and the Seagull flew. If they didn’t dig anything, they said it. Blame Ulyukaev or not, is unknown. But the key figure of that clan was expelled and set their own. The system of tribal relations works for us. And what future awaits us in this case? The same as it was. The estate state of the time of Peter. Socialism Putin does not digest. If another figure comes to power, it will be either from the Putin clan, or from another. If Medvedev agreed to be president for one term, then his clan is below the Putin clan. But in the case of a struggle, as in the case of the death of Stalin, a different figure may appear. After the death of Stalin, the Khrushchev clan swept Beria and his supporters.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 13 December 2017 14: 20 New
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            Quote: 34 region
            Socialism Putin does not digest.
            Paradoxically, the West itself pushes Russia out of its established system of world capitalism, in which there is already a host leader, in which all laws and rules are sharpened by that host. If we speak for Russia, as a historical and planetary phenomenon, we must trust evolution (or God), our code is registered for Russia. It was not for this that a superpower was built, after the rotten tsarism and the pro-Western Provisional Government, to put a cross on Russia now. We wanted changes in the "pulsation of the veins", got what we had, ate "Snickers", rubbed the scrotum in jeans ... Without an independent power pole, that is, the return of socialism, Russia cannot be great, and Russia can only be great or devour, destroy. Therefore, with Putin or not, but in capitalism we do not have a worthy place, moreover, defeat the ghouls all over the planet, it will be a collapse of the whole civilization. I do not think that for the sake of this it was worthwhile to start everything in the world program of God.
            1. Mikhail Filippov
              Mikhail Filippov 13 December 2017 16: 51 New
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              and under tsarism, Russia was "small"? Somehow, the clothes of Parisian fashion, “woolen schubert and the crunch of French rolls” did not prevent her from winning victories. By the way, tsarist Russia was a "pro-Western" country
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 13 December 2017 19: 18 New
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                Quote: Mikhail Filippov
                and under tsarism, Russia was "small"?
                Mikhail, everyone who talks about this in one way or another is consciously or not, but they do not separate "the wheat from the chaff." Until a certain time, capitalism had a positive in the development of civilization, but exactly until such time as the transnational monopolies did not form, while the struggle for the world throne of capitalism was going on, determining in it a leader, a master. The last attempt, "multipolar capitalism" was when the Second Reich, defied the deceitful and insidious Britain, which had already begun to dominate. What did Russia, or rather, its “anointed one of God,” a hereditary half-breed German, like the majority in the dynasty, who gave to the Anglo-Saxon lobby to fatten at the expense of Russia? He scored debt loans, overcoming the problems of defeat in the Russian-Japanese war and the legitimate 1905 revolution of the year, and was dragged into the Entente. Russian men again, as in the war against Napoleon, became allies of the Anglo-Saxons, essentially fighting for the interests of world domination of Britain and its overseas miscarriage, the USA (then the USA). After the First World War, the main competitors of the Anglo-Saxons were destroyed, the empires fell, - German, Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman and Russian. Everything, the world leader was actually established, it was necessary to finish off the Japanese empire in the east. It would have been complete happiness for the Anglo-Saxons, but, strangely enough, the Bolsheviks who came to power did not completely destroy Russia, but by creating an independent pole of power, they industrialized, and in a quarter of a century they built a mighty power, the Soviet Union. It was necessary for the smart-ass Anglo-Saxons to reanimate Germany as an anti-USSR (anti-Russia), turning a blind eye to all violations against Versailles, allowing Hitler to gain strength. Adik fulfilled his task that his masters-puppeteers wanted him, he did it, there was a monstrous war, in which world capitalism was saved from depression and crisis, it made good money. But, the Soviet Union not only withstood, but became a superpower, got a nuclear shield, went into space. Do not hope, if the tsar stay in Russia, if Russia didn’t get involved in the First World War, no one would help her in such a thing, no one would allow this, with complete dependence on technology from the West, with a powerful western lobby. Without the tsar-father, after the February revolution, stay Sasha Kerensky, any other similar government, the times of Chubais, Gaidar and Yeltsin would begin not after 1991 of the year, but after 1917, and not with the legacy of the Soviet Union, its superpower strength margin, but in a semi-literate country, with debts and dependence on the West. Now, Russia has a choice, after being “vaccinated” by capitalism, or we regain our independent pole of power, that is, socialist development, or we roll, lie down under the masters of the world pole of capitalism, play and lose our independence and the country itself according to the rules of the world casino of capitalism , with its cheating "economics" from games on world exchanges, at rates of currency speculators and secret frauds of backstage ghouls, puppeteers from the Rothschild-type clandestine, Rockefeller, Morgan ... In any case, Russia will not be left and would not be left alone, Russia must either be great (remain great, because of its self-sufficiency) or perish, fall apart into pieces (having lost its self-sufficiency). If Russia falls, the bright side perishes, our civilization will plunge into a new, never-before-seen slavery, Satanism. World capitalism cannot give anything good; it has turned into a kind of planetary virus devouring the souls of people and our planet itself.
                1. Mikhail Filippov
                  Mikhail Filippov 14 December 2017 13: 40 New
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                  Well, if US residents are called "English" or "English miscarriages," they will be very offended. This time. After the war, England lost its dominance. This is 2. The States began to steer. Russian men fought for the protection of the Slavic little brothers from the Balkans, and if you dig deeper, then for the domination of Russia over the straits. Each side in this war had its own interests. Otherwise, Russia would sit aside as Switzerland. This is 3.
                  In the Second World War, the "evil Anglo-Saxons" for some reason became allies of the USSR, and not Adik, whom they, as you say, "nurtured."
                  As for the “stay in Russia tsar” - Alexander 3 did not engage in any war, so it all depends on which tsar.
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                    1. Mikhail Filippov
                      Mikhail Filippov 15 December 2017 15: 13 New
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                      Even when our grandfathers gave them a bream near Moscow, the winner has not yet been identified. The turning point came after Stalingrad. And not only the States traded on 2 fronts, but also, for example, Sweden. Do you think what chiches they built their vaunted "Scandinavian socialism"
                  2. Per se.
                    Per se. 14 December 2017 19: 41 New
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                    Quote: Mikhail Filippov
                    Well, if US residents are called "Englishmen" or "English miscarriages," they are very offended.
                    It may be added that the States began with separatism, the genocide of the indigenous population and the slave trade, slavery. Let them be offended. The fact that a lot of money sailed from Britain to the former colony, due to permissiveness and other reasons attractive for superprofits, does not mean that England has already lost its dominance. Simply, the United States has become a visible tool, and where the real power, who is the shadow puppeteer, is a slightly different matter, from the category of secrets of the royal dynasty. You, probably, didn’t get deeply into the causes and features of the First World War, and the matter here is far from brotherhood, if Nicola Principle were not there, there would have been a different “detonator”, and not in the Balkans, so anywhere else. You, as if you don’t hear that the question of world leadership was resolved, and no matter who the king in Russia would be, the king would be in it, the liberals or even the people in power, Russia, would not be left alone, as they do not leave now So, as a strong Russia, the West does not need, is dangerous. Tiny Switzerland can sit on the sidelines, with its banks, in which practically all the participants of the wars kept their grandmothers in the middle of Europe, just as the Vatican could exist comfortably in fascist Italy. The fact that the "evil Anglo-Saxons" became allies of the USSR, so I will not be too lazy to recall the famous saying of Harry Truman, in which he lucidly explained how and who should be helped so that the Russians and the Germans "killed each other as much as possible." Actually, Hitler and brought to power for this. About Alexander III ... He was in a different epoch, but if he lived to the beginning of the First World War, Russia would remain in neutrality, World War II would have begun anyway, to complete the task of destroying all potentially strong competitors, the leaders of capitalism would still have to. No matter, would have won the Entente, or Germany and its allies. If you do not set a goal to become a world leader, this goal will be set by others, they will achieve it, and no matter what kind of king in Russia. Now the whole world is under the Anglo-Saxons, including occupied Europe and Japan (unfortunately, Russia is not as independent as we would like). As for China, so I repeat, it is necessary for the owners of the world system, as a new anti-Russia instead of the failed Third Reich. Everything repeats, and the words of Harry Truman may well become relevant to Russia and the Chinese "national communists."
                    1. Mikhail Filippov
                      Mikhail Filippov 15 December 2017 15: 16 New
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                      As if in Russia there was no slavery and the slave trade of OWN people. The West does not need a strong Russia, but a strong China? I do not think that Finland or Norway would like to border it.
                      Again, about Truman ... the President of the whole Second World War (well, almost the whole) was not he, but Roosevelt
                      1. Per se.
                        Per se. 16 December 2017 10: 37 New
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                        Quote: Mikhail Filippov
                        A strong Russia is not needed by the West, but a strong China?
                        I talked about it, - "As for China, so I repeat, it is necessary for the owners of the world system, as a new anti-Russia instead of the failed Third Reich. Everything repeats, and the words of Harry Truman may well become relevant to Russia and the Chinese "national communists"". China, this is the eastern version of Hitler's Germany, where our "brothers" and allies against "hat Europe" in the form of the German workers' national socialist party were. Only, the Chinese nationalists are much more dangerous, and flirting with such an “ally”, who is very mindful, is fraught for Russia in the foreseeable future, especially after exhausting our Soviet safety margin, if “Mr. Pu” turns out to be just another oligarch without changing anything in our disastrous capitalism. Actually, the Chinese do not hide their plans for world hegemony, having extensive territorial claims exceeding the modern area of ​​China.
        4. E_V_N
          E_V_N 13 December 2017 15: 25 New
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          Quote: Per se.
          as if Putin himself would "cross the Rubicon", lead a "coup", from dependent capitalism to socialism.

          Why did you decide that the GDP will suddenly decide to change something? He’s built a vertical for 18 years, and suddenly he will begin to break it and give power to the “Soviets”? The maximum that can happen is “dusting my head with ashes”, sorry citizens, I was wrong. Well, Yeltsin pokazilsya, asked for forgiveness in 2000 and what has changed, maybe they corrected the privatization errors, changed their economic orientation? No. And now time has already been lost, it is no longer possible to restore Soviet industry, firstly, everything is destroyed and sold out, and secondly, it is 30 years old. So do not build empty illusions.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 14 December 2017 14: 06 New
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            Quote: E_V_N
            So do not build empty illusions.
            So, I do not build, voiced what seems like different options. About "Putin friend oligarchs" I will not repeat. For me, the welfare of Russia, its people is important, if this is possible only with Putin at the moment, this is one thing, if another is needed for this, then another. Most importantly, it is now decided who, in fact, is Mr. Poo. If we talk about the revival of a multipolar world, it is not there now, without a socialist bloc there is only one center of power, one pole, under which everyone dances. One can inflate his cheeks as much as he wants, but if Russia does not create a truly independent system, one can hardly speak of any true state independence and sovereignty. Therefore, with Putin or without, but Russia needs a socialist path of development.
            1. E_V_N
              E_V_N 14 December 2017 15: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: Per se.
              For me, the well-being of Russia and its people is important, if this is possible only with Putin at the moment, this is one thing, if another is needed for this, then another. The most important thing is now being decided who really is Mr. Pu.

              I agree that right now it is time to build real socialism and a socialist economy, now there is a technological opportunity for this. In 1917 there was a false start, there was an idea and an opportunity, but there were no real conditions. I agree that only true socialism will allow Russia to take a leading position in the world and solve all internal problems.
              But unfortunately, socialism will not build GDP and the reason here is not at all “love” for the oligarchs, or hatred for the communists. The main problem of GDP is poor knowledge of the real economy, and socialism is precisely the economic system. Hence the answer to the question, "who is Pu"
            2. turbris
              turbris 14 December 2017 16: 16 New
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              Russia already had a socialist development path within the USSR, where is this alliance? Something I don’t remember, someone rushed to defend this socialist path of development.
              1. Ivan 63
                Ivan 63 17 December 2017 14: 35 New
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                Do you remember how it was?
                I remember. Nobody talked about some kind of cancellation of "everything." Everything happened relatively gradually, but hard.
                Then no one understood that we were losing. It makes no sense to write everything is painted more than once and people are smarter than me.
        5. Mikhail Filippov
          Mikhail Filippov 13 December 2017 16: 44 New
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          But it won’t work out. For then both Pu and his entourage will have to be punished under the article "the theft of socialist property." And they plundered her a lot in the 90s and 00s. Rather, Putin will try on Kolchak's admiral epaulettes (in my opinion, he is already looking at them)
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          1. Mikhail Filippov
            Mikhail Filippov 18 December 2017 13: 37 New
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            Well, firstly, Putin, and the party "Fatherland-All Russia" itself, was sponsored by Berezovsky. Putin was a good compromise between the Yeltsin elite and the security forces. Recall what was the first Putin law? Former Presidents Act. As for China, it is incorrect to compare it with the USSR because it was much more monolithic. The Chinese people, unlike the Soviet one. They do not have the concept of "multinationality", it is not on any agenda. Yes, they have Tibet, Xinjian, Macau and Hong Kong there, but this is so small compared to our bunch of Soviet Socialist Republics and ASSR. Therefore, to be "like in China," we must once and for all abandon "multinationality"
      3. 34 region
        34 region 13 December 2017 13: 12 New
        +9
        AA17 11:15. I think that Putin understands perfectly well that this is perhaps his last car (term) of the departing train, in which you need to have time to jump in and carry out your plan. What Putin sees Russia? Soviet Russia is clearly disgusting to him. Which one do you like? It seems his ideal is Russia Peter. We must go into contacts with the West. We must take everything from the West. It is necessary to attract the West. Peter cut a window into Europe. Catherine opened the doors to the Europeans. Gorbachev broke the walls. What remains to Putin? What to chop and what to break? It remains only to go to the hut (or palace) of Europe. On what rights, if you broke and sold everything? He is still sincerely surprised: We did everything they wanted, but they do not love us! He sincerely believes in market relations and wonders why they do not work. And so everything was beautiful in the 90s. Perhaps in this period he will make every effort to realize his dream. For the power of Russia, in his opinion, a ruling class is needed. Grafiev, princes and nobles, he already has. It remains to give them a patriotic impulse for the development of the country. Will it work? It is doubtful. The new nobles are closer to the thirst for self-exaltation, and not serving the Stainless. But Putin relied and will rely on the oligarchs. He understands perfectly. The kings are carried out by the court, not the people! I think Putin will continue to try to realize his dream of running the country through the ruling class. He probably hopes that the thirst for profit will push the nobles to develop the country. Here is England as an example, or the Saudis. There is a monarch, there is a ruling class, and there are seemingly successful economies.
        1. AA17
          AA17 13 December 2017 14: 33 New
          +2
          Dear, 34 region. Your arguments are weighty and reasoned. I agree with you.
        2. E_V_N
          E_V_N 13 December 2017 15: 41 New
          +6
          Quote: 34 region
          It seems his ideal is Russia Peter.

          An interesting analysis, but a mistake in the initial settings. The ideal is not Peter, but Alexander III. And this is a completely different paradigm and other goals. Although with the support and hope of GDP you guessed right. The only problem is that the patriotism of the "nobility" is formed over several generations. But "initial stolen capital" does not imply any patriotism. Well, the thief does not keep stolen in a robbed apartment.
        3. Baloo
          Baloo 13 December 2017 18: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: 34 region
          I think Putin will continue to try to realize his dream of running the country through the ruling class.

          Yes do not manage his dream, but revival of Russiaisn't it clear. You all, couch analysts, look at the bottom of your soul, answer: could you work at such a pace and such a volume?
          1. 34 region
            34 region 13 December 2017 18: 43 New
            +3
            Baloo, 18:21. Revival without control is impossible. You can dream of victory, but without leadership victory will not be! How can you revive if you do not obey and spit on you ?! Another question. What kind of Russia is Putin thinking about reviving? Does he think of a revival of the era of specific principalities or of autocracy? Or about socialist Russia? Under princes, kings and general secretaries, Russia was. What Russia idealizes Putin? What relationships? Well, they will set up megacities and there will be specific princedoms-megacities. Autocracy with the transfer of royal power by inheritance most likely will not. The boyars can and will transfer power by inheritance. But about the supreme power, they are likely to be against it. Although in words they are FOR. But what this leads to is known in the terminal. The ruling class will not obviously revive socialist Russia. Although socialist-communist relations at the top are and will be now. To each according to his abilities and needs is observed now. This is evident by salaries (I assign myself as much as I want). Is there a business case for just such a salary? It can be seen by consumption (where to grab so much !?). Do they need so much for life? Even predators do not make so many meat reserves!
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 13 December 2017 18: 48 New
              +1
              The solution of the issue of private property and privatization of housing, including, cut off the path to any kind of socialism-communism. For comparison, by the way, in China there are no pensions as one, you know?
              1. 34 region
                34 region 13 December 2017 19: 08 New
                +3
                Baloo, 18:48. *** There are no pensions in China like ours, you know? *** With such pensions as in Russia and in Russia there are no pensions. In fact, this is a communal fee. Although of course our government is the kindest soul people. After all, you could have paid nothing at all. But this is already coming. 40 years of experience, output at 70 years. They can and will not announce the abolition of pensions. You can leave the exit at 55-60, but it will be a minimum. To increase the pension by 10-20% per year, they may be asked to work without a pension. So you get an increase to the base by 10-20% for the worked year without registering for retirement. But the pension will be charged at 30-40% of the salary. But how many will be able to work intensively after 50? And who will agree to hire after 45? And what will be the norms of production depending on age? You can, of course, work as a janitor for 7200 rubles a month. and a watchman for 5700 rubles per month. But this is working poverty. People of pre-retirement and retirement age can only go to the crime to end up in prison and get a full social package.
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 13 December 2017 23: 07 New
                +2
                Quote: Balu
                The solution of the issue of private property and privatization of housing, including, cut off the path to any kind of socialism-communism. For comparison, by the way, in China there are no pensions as one, you know?

                Baloo, I must disappoint you, private property does not contradict the theory of socialism-communism. fundamental is solely ownership of the means of production. It is the means of production that must be state-nationwide.
            2. E_V_N
              E_V_N 13 December 2017 23: 03 New
              +2
              Quote: 34 region
              What kind of Russia is Putin thinking about reviving?

              The GDP opened the monument not to Peter, but to Alexander III, the tsar of the peacemaker, who is credited with 2 allies with the army and navy. Look at the "deeds" of Alexander and understand the ideal of Russia in terms of GDP.
        4. turbris
          turbris 14 December 2017 16: 24 New
          0
          But it seems to me that Putin wants to make Russia a self-sufficient, economically developed country with a high level of welfare of the people and occupying a worthy place in the future multipolar world - how do you like this? Just do not mean that this is not possible under the existing government - everything is possible if you persistently achieve your goal.
        5. krasnoderevshik
          krasnoderevshik 14 December 2017 18: 17 New
          0
          There is only a couple or maybe not a couple of "BUT!" Since 2012, Europe itself has stagnated both in the economy and in politics as a whole. There are no clear leaders in European countries, and the United States enjoys this all with pleasure. See how deftly the Americans make ropes from this good old Europe. And you will not relax your bulldog grip. Therefore, in the foreseeable future there will be no real shift.! No need to hope for a miracle. And let's not forget that only the French in 1972 were able to remove their sovereign gold from the US vaults, and the rest did not consider it necessary and now have grief., The United States essentially turned European countries into hostages. By the way, Britain did not give up its gold and always led an independent policy, but they are not too different from the s, because in essence they are all Anglo-Saxons.
      4. Baloo
        Baloo 13 December 2017 18: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: AA17
        The GDP has already become a historical figure ... "but he could not realize the fantastic opportunities for the development of the Russian economy obtained from fabulous prices for natural raw materials.

        Smog, realized in conditions of hostile challenges of Russia. Look at Ukraine, this is Russia of the 90s.
        Will he be able to rise to the level of our reformist leaders, such as: Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, IV Stalin - this is a question

        He smoked, rose, he has his own program, his own team.
        So far, from the significant successes, only the progressive growth of billionaires in Russia can be called.
        Everyone earns as he can. Are they all thieves and embezzlers? Do not create anything? Do not build enterprises? Do not pay taxes?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 13 December 2017 18: 29 New
          +6
          Quote: Balu
          He smoked, rose, he has his own program, his own team.

          Team ... yes! Medvedev, Shuvalov, Dvorkovich, groundhogs (Dudaev), Kinder Surprise, Rotenbergs, Simchenka, Sechin, Timchenka and other Michelsson.
          The beauty is not a team.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 13 December 2017 18: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: Balu
            He smoked, rose, he has his own program, his own team.

            Team ... yes! Medvedev, Shuvalov, Dvorkovich, groundhogs (Dudaev), Kinder Surprise, Rotenbergs, Simchenka, Sechin, Timchenka and other Michelsson.
            The beauty is not a team.

            we judge them only by infe from the media. GDP is a military man and how each commander realizes responsibility for subordinates in his team. Remember how EBN changed ministers like gloves, at the request of family members. A few weeks, more than a month, before the arrest of Ulyukaev, the latter was at his appointment. Do not be lazy, watch the video of this moment. The GDP sent a signal to Ulyukaev, but he did not hear, did not resign.
            This fat man is the chief customs officer, who was also fired due to claims by the prosecutor’s office 6-7 weeks after reporting to the GDP. Evaluate how GDP behaved. After all, he sent a signal, made it possible to put a bullet in his forehead or resign. Tlsty did not understand, as a result, a shame ... True, Medvedev recently added him to a bank. At the top there is a cleaning, but not all infa reaches us. Pay attention to who replaced the governors laid off this year: young, sports, 2 or more higher education, work experience in the civil service or achievements in business. I trust the President.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 13 December 2017 19: 11 New
              +4
              Quote: Balu
              GDP military man

              fl. from what kind of pies did he become a military man? About the “intelligence officer in Dresden”, it’s better not to! In the GDR was a "Stasi". But in St. Petersburg, everything is very interesting, criminal case number 144128.
              Quote: Balu
              True, Medvedev recently attached him to a bank.

              belay Andrei Belyaninov as Chairman of the Board of the Eurasian Development Bank (EDB) .From May 12, 2006 - Head of the Federal Customs Service in the Governments of Mikhail Fradkov, Viktor Zubkov, Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev. Since October 2011, he has also headed the Joint Collegium of Customs Services of the Member States of the Customs Union. Chairman of the Council of Heads of Customs Services of the CIS Member States.http: //www.compromat.ru/page_37162.htm
              Quote: Balu
              who replaced the governors dismissed this year: young, sports, 2 or more higher education, work experience in the civil service or achievements in business.

              Aha ha ...
              Quote: Balu
              I trust the President.

              Your right. hi
    5. Mikhail Filippov
      Mikhail Filippov 13 December 2017 16: 32 New
      +1
      And as Peter died, the era of "palace coups" began
      1. Seryoga Gord
        Seryoga Gord 14 December 2017 03: 42 New
        0
        Good day to all, I would like to dispel some of your misconceptions, but please do not spray your saliva, now point by point:
        1. GDP is not a receiver of EBN, but a protege of certain forces that “stand for Russia”,
        2. Through it, a revival of a civilization that died in a cataclysm, living near the territory of Russia and whose DIRECT descendants, to one degree or another, we are all, as Slavs, is conducted
        3. Its task is to counter the destructive influence of the Western development path, the so-called globalism, hence the arrival of the Bolsheviks in 1917 and GDP in the 2000s,
        4. What will be the speed and who specifically will contribute to the implementation of this plan in life, I can’t say, but ALL Europe will enter the borders of Russia as a result (20-30 years),
        5. The system will be very similar to the modern concept of socialism, the poor and the hungry will not,
        6. There will be no war, nuclear - for sure,
        7. "stand for Russia" - the remnants of the Hyperboreans who have returned to life, here their civilization will become dominant on Earth, and GDP is only an initial tool.
        Regarding the disagreement, about Vysotsky about Three - seers burned at the stake ... - and I’m ready to meet in 30 years and discuss the arguments ...))
        1. turbris
          turbris 14 December 2017 16: 28 New
          0
          Was it written by a normal person or too "smart"?
    6. Stin u
      Stin u 14 December 2017 08: 04 New
      +1
      Uh ... wherever you go! "a historical person during his lifetime ..." He compares with Peter (they tried to make Yeltsin and Peter 1 on the same shelf). GDP, as you call Putin, at best is the seat of the Minister of Foreign Affairs, the very place. Tell me “dumb”, what did the GDP do for Russia and its people? SPECIFICALLY, put it on the shelves. Our JOURNALISES have heard enough, and their brains aside? Or how?
  2. tasha
    tasha 13 December 2017 09: 24 New
    +9
    We need a collective governing body, selected from people who have been selected for a whole set of parameters.

    People with a rank not lower than a colonel who own judo and know how to ride bears are allowed to the elections ...
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 13 December 2017 09: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: tasha
      We need a collective governing body, selected from people who have been selected for a whole set of parameters.

      People with a rank not lower than a colonel who own judo and know how to ride bears are allowed to the elections ...

      Not funny and not smiling. The selection should go on educational qualifications and practical achievements.
      Principle: with whom you will go in reconnaissance, sail in a boat across the ocean, go on an ascent to the mountains, no one canceled. Actions-a measure of man. Words are a reflection of thoughts. You only need to be able to listen and hear, as if a person were not pretending.
      1. tasha
        tasha 13 December 2017 09: 47 New
        +5
        Not funny and not smiling. The selection should go on educational qualifications and practical achievements.


        It happens. wink
        I’m just tired of constantly repeating that people who have passed strict selection according to the country’s indicators should be allowed to take part in the elections. In the future, a citizen index.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 13 December 2017 11: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: tasha
          In the future, a citizen index.

          1005000 +++
    2. cannabis
      cannabis 13 December 2017 09: 34 New
      +1
      Not "ABOVE" Colonel. So rather. Everything else is just class!
  3. Shurale
    Shurale 13 December 2017 09: 27 New
    +5
    It does not matter who will rule Russia, it is important what purpose this body will have.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 13 December 2017 10: 48 New
      +4
      Exactly. The ruling class understands that it is becoming increasingly difficult for Putin to cope with the tasks that he has easily been able to cope with all this time - to intelligently flush the people with beautiful patriotic speeches on the journalists’ camera, covering them with open, outrageous lawlessness. The people are beginning to see that all these years of post-Yeltsin’s government have been openly hanging noodles on their ears, which means it’s time to send Putin to retire, you need someone younger, more energetic, more patriotic from those who listen to popular anger and criticize, without fear, the current government . Fedorov, for example, is well suited for this role. One can again concoct an imitation of a coup d'etat, the people will support, as in Ukraine, everyone is tired of corruption and lawlessness, give power to the patriotic critic from their own real boys, and life in the country will again go along the same lines. And the people are happy, and the wolves are full. It seems that they are leading us to this, they are just pushing us with almost pendals.
      1. Sargas
        Sargas 13 December 2017 11: 17 New
        +3
        people will support, as in Ukraine
        Are you not afraid that the people will pick up the “coups” on the pitchfork? like in 1922?
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 13 December 2017 11: 26 New
          +5
          Quote: Sargas
          people will support, as in Ukraine
          Are you not afraid that the people will pick up the “coups” on the pitchfork? like in 1922?

          Why should I be afraid? I have nothing to do with the current real oligarchic power. She should be afraid, but she is not afraid of anything. He believes that the brains of the people are washed for more than 30 years more thoroughly. Yes, which 30? Khrushchev still began to rinse.
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          2. turbris
            turbris 14 December 2017 16: 30 New
            0
            This is very noticeable, about brainwashing, it seems that nothing is left!
      2. Loess
        Loess 13 December 2017 11: 39 New
        +1
        Do you believe in what you write?
    2. creak
      creak 13 December 2017 10: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Shurale
      it’s important what purpose this body will have.

      The goal is nothing, movement is everything. That's how we live... good
    3. sa-ag
      sa-ag 13 December 2017 16: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Shurale
      it’s important what purpose this body will have

      Well, please, the goal will be the same - personal enrichment is here, a lot and now
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 December 2017 09: 34 New
    +2
    reasoned by Neil McFarkar
    The arguments of Western "experts" diluted by the judgments of Russian political scientists (mostly having time to compromise themselves at one time) are sometimes read as a detective story with many versions. And then bam
    He will create a certain Supreme Military Council or some kind of Security Council. Of course, he himself will appoint him the head
    And how else, according to the West, a tyrant should act.
  5. kalibr
    kalibr 13 December 2017 09: 40 New
    +5
    Oleg’s materials are always very informative and deep in the degree of analysis. A large array of foreign information is being worked out. This is very valuable!
    1. turbris
      turbris 14 December 2017 16: 37 New
      0
      And what can be useful to us in this array of foreign information? Russophobia introduced in the rank of national politics? So we know that. Is Putin the wrong president for Russia? So this is not the same for the West, it means for us just right. Russia - the aggressor wants to seize the Baltic States and Poland - they also need to get money for something, and here they are refined. There what for us this array, what do you think?
  6. Vard
    Vard 13 December 2017 09: 42 New
    +1
    There is only one thought ... we are with you ... i.e. fighting with Russia ... but you do not dare ...
  7. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 13 December 2017 10: 00 New
    +6
    Why such close attention of the American top to Russia and the person of GDP?
    They have something their own internal problems?
    Every week, shooting in the streets with corpses.
    Stuck in Iraq. Afghanistan. Syria. We did not solve a single problem. Export democracy in those regions stalled in a huge pit, got stuck. And it is unlikely to get out of it
    Again militarization in American Europe. Europe, an imaginary threat in the face of Russia slipped in. Arm yourself and carry the money of the US military-industrial complex (Trump doctrine) and remain under the scrutiny of the USA. So as not to shed the shackles of occupation. dressed in Europe in 1945 after the victory of the Soviet army over fascism
    On the verge of a nuclear foul, playing with Eun.
    Confrontation with China as the main threat to US economic power
    With Jerusalem muddied the whole Middle East ...
    Or, once again, they are trying at the expense of others to solve their economic problems at the expense of the world, and primarily Russia
    And the free people of the United States need an enemy. Against which it could be united. There is no enemy - as always, one must come up with it. And to invent all the power of the American media and US-controlled Western funds ..
    1. cannabis
      cannabis 13 December 2017 10: 38 New
      +4
      And what do we know besides what we are broadcasting about TV and the Internet in Russian? And we are only discussing what they will bring to us "on a silver platter", as in a cafe - ice cream. As Dunya Sapozhnikova said: “BEER-WATER is written, and if you look inside, you’re just hanyogi.”
      1. Hard Rock
        Hard Rock 13 December 2017 11: 22 New
        +4
        Well, if you are deafblind, then it’s more convenient for you to drink BEER - WATER. I like it. We! Are you talking about, dear? Or, excuse me, whose will you be? In addition, to look, you need to somehow think and read books and reason without a silver platter and the Internet ... Sorry for the harsh words, but it’s impossible. Hmm, we must!
        1. cannabis
          cannabis 13 December 2017 11: 52 New
          +5
          Advise what to read. I have just this "stress". Now think about it or not. Thinking is bad, you need to make decisions. If the Prime Minister of my country speaks of e-government, agglomerates and globalism, then I don’t need to think about it - everything has already been decided. His plans include the creation of 10 agglomerates (supercities of 10-15 million people) on areas of 1000 square kilometers (50 per 20 km), and the rest of the country will be a world raw material base. This is voiced. For all. But many do not know how to listen, they talk a lot. Now about the "respected". In Russia there was no such treatment. It was, "sir," "gracious sovereign," comrade, fellow countryman, odnosum, classmate, friend, your nobleness, dearest. But in the countries of deceit and treachery, flattery and betrayal, they used epithets - respected, respectable, highly respected, wise and the light of my eyes. You yourself will be the offender?
          1. 34 region
            34 region 13 December 2017 13: 48 New
            +2
            cannabis, 11:52. As for the cities, yes. There is an opinion that the metropolis is more effective than the region. Less cost, more return. Even Sobyanin let slip about 15 million extra people in the countryside. In the sense that they should only work there. All the rest are superfluous people. Apparently, workers in agriculture will soon work on a rotational basis. I went to the complex, and for 12 hours, you work for 30 days. Then another watch arrives. Why build villages, roads, schools and hospitals for villagers? After all, these are expenses! And so only employees will work! Schools and hospitals will be in megacities (optimization!). Probably 15-20 megacities in Russia are planned. All investment and development will be concentrated there. The rest should bend quietly.
            1. cannabis
              cannabis 13 December 2017 14: 00 New
              +3
              I'm scared to read what you write! Agglomerate is a concentration camp on self-sufficiency, as in the movie The fifth element - "Put your hands on the yellow circles, keep calm. Thank you for your cooperation." My opinion is the opposite - to populate our land with our people, to give each family or clan its share. But in the cities to leave plants and factories and let people work in them on a rotational basis. And our people will heal in private homes, on their own land. He will give his tithe from profit to the general treasury, the rest for the life of future generations.
              1. 34 region
                34 region 13 December 2017 15: 43 New
                +1
                cannabis race, 14:00. *** I’m scared to read what you write! *** Nevertheless, there is an opinion that states will soon die off and megacities will compete with each other. Judging by the development of megacities, this is no longer an idea, but a reality. If today we conduct a survey on the standard of living, then a better life and change for the better, in megacities. I also do not like megacities. Probably better are the city and satellite towns located through green areas. Probably not in vain in the Union planned industrial zones and sleeping areas. And the metropolis turns out like a kitchen, a bedroom, a toilet in one room. But capitalism thinks differently, and from studio apartments to megacities!
                1. E_V_N
                  E_V_N 13 December 2017 23: 21 New
                  +2
                  Quote: 34 region
                  Judging by the development of megacities, this is no longer an idea, but a reality.

                  So far, we have one real metropolis in Moscow, but the only problem is that he lives at the expense of the rest of Russia. Independently Moscow material produces a minuscule. Everything else is either import or regional products. Of course, we can assume that Moscow "suddenly" will become the world center for generating the demanded "high-tech", scientific discoveries and so on. That's just real in this no more than in Anderson's tales.
                  1. 34 region
                    34 region 13 December 2017 23: 57 New
                    +2
                    E_V_N, 23:21. It depends on what is considered a metropolis. It is worth (or posed) the task of developing cities from 5 million people. Here, as with private courtyards and skyscrapers. Or 200 courtyards of the private sector, or one high-rise building with 200 apartments. Judging by the endangered cities, the process is already underway.
                    1. E_V_N
                      E_V_N 14 December 2017 16: 04 New
                      +1
                      Quote: 34 region
                      E_V_N, 23:21. It depends on what is considered a metropolis. It is worth (or posed) the task of developing cities from 5 million people. Here, as with private courtyards and skyscrapers. Or 200 courtyards of the private sector, or one high-rise building with 200 apartments. Judging by the endangered cities, the process is already underway.

                      I think the problem is not in saving land, it is enough and 200 private houses instead of high-rise buildings are not a problem for Russia. The problem is that the townspeople are ten times more dependent on the authorities and officials than the villagers. And the authorities are mortally afraid of losing or weakening control over the people.
                      1. 34 region
                        34 region 14 December 2017 16: 41 New
                        +1
                        E_V_N, 16:04. Of course, it’s not about saving land. The point is in psychology such as Hobseck. We have to cut, we have to snoop! Instead of developing the territory (territories) of Russia, there is a point development. And the increase in the number of citizens is a policy of leadership. Such unobtrusively voluntary relocation.
            2. Anyone
              Anyone 13 December 2017 16: 33 New
              +5
              Shift method of megacities people will work in the countryside? Hardly. In 2016, the Russian budget received ~ 50 billion from the sale of patents to Gaster. They will work - there’s no trouble with them: they don’t need schools, no hospitals, no kindergartens, no pensions, no benefits ... Only build them in time for Pyaterochka, Dixie, Magnets and money transfer points to Tajikistan. And the extra Russian "zamkadysh" will die out themselves.
        2. Baloo
          Baloo 13 December 2017 12: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Hard Rock
          Sorry for the harsh words, but it’s impossible. Hmm, we must!

          He was in a hurry, he was late for the lecture. [B] [/ b] wassat
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 13 December 2017 16: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: To be or not to be
      Why such close attention of the American top to Russia and the person of GDP?

      Because cypress, redistribution of the hydrocarbon market
  8. Hard Rock
    Hard Rock 13 December 2017 11: 18 New
    +4
    The article is just a discussion of people who are not very knowledgeable in reality, more likely to be subject to emotions and their desires than to sound analysis. All that ... hmm, society, in the letter ё, can’t recognize in any way - understand - believe that the LEADER has come, which has not been there for a long time. Crushing their toad, scary and creepy! But, unfortunately, and I grieve, this is reality, this is a FACT! Putin, the only Leader, a Person in the current era. For us Hope, for them the undertaker! Sorry for the pathetics, but such a person should have appeared, and he came, and thank God!
  9. gafarovsafar
    gafarovsafar 13 December 2017 11: 22 New
    +3
    here it is propaganda read and start believing the most interesting of not a single positive scenario for the future of Russia
    1. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 13 December 2017 11: 48 New
      +1
      For Russia, the worse the better! Such is the nature of man, the more well the less often he remembers God. So it will be even worse!
  10. 1536
    1536 13 December 2017 11: 44 New
    +2
    One way or another, but our people will say the most weighty word. Look at the Ukrainians. They are happy with everything, and they look at the TV events taking place in the country as a free performance. They live in a world of illusions, on the principle of "eaten butter, the day has passed" and are waiting for it to settle in NATO supply structures in order to act according to the scenario worked out at the genetic level. About the same thing awaits us if we listen to “experts” from the West (I wonder what rank he has with such predictions?) And think that we have in our country the “smartest” person who thinks for us all and working. Only in NATO no one will let us in.
  11. Nitarius
    Nitarius 13 December 2017 12: 01 New
    +4
    A researcher at the “largest university in Russia” stated that it was “a return to Soviet times when an article needed permission to send an article to an international journal, stating that the results are not new and not important, which means they can be published abroad "

    And they’re doing it right! WESTERN JACKALS AND THIPS .. you will not call anything else! steal all that is! They have already profited from our stolen technologies of the USSR!
  12. iouris
    iouris 13 December 2017 12: 13 New
    +1
    This country is governed by the Cheka. In order to survive, the Cheka must change itself.
  13. Sebastian Pereira
    Sebastian Pereira 13 December 2017 12: 28 New
    +2
    Even the import of "experts" divorced, knowing what is happening in the retinue of the Darkest is better than himself.
  14. Baloo
    Baloo 13 December 2017 12: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Nitarius
    A researcher at the “largest university in Russia” stated that it was “a return to Soviet times when an article needed permission to send an article to an international journal, stating that the results are not new and not important, which means they can be published abroad "

    And they’re doing it right! WESTERN JACKALS AND THIPS .. you will not call anything else! steal all that is! They have already profited from our stolen technologies of the USSR!

    "A certain researcher" is lying. In fact, it was stamped that the article or application for an invention does not contain information related to state secrets. I had nothing to do with state secrets, but I had to put a stamp at the scientific secretary.
    1. cannabis
      cannabis 13 December 2017 13: 03 New
      +3
      We had two secret alcoholics in the regiment — the secretary, the ensign and the beginning. artillery lieutenant colonel. At lunchtime, they went to the store and took two ports or one large vermouth and two herrings. The secretary wrapped herring in sheets of the General Staff card, secret. After lunch, the secretary brought the chief of artillery an act to destroy secret cards, he was the head of the commission. The regimental special officer knew about this, but since there was no leakage of secret materials, he was not particularly excited.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 13 December 2017 17: 14 New
        +1
        Oh, the special officer was not excited, so the system worked perfectly. Well, the cards of the General Staff ... there is only a secret secret: the Secret.
    2. iouris
      iouris 13 December 2017 23: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Balu
      the secretary had to put a stamp.

      At the scientific secretary.
  15. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 December 2017 12: 57 New
    0
    Our president is capable and loves to surprise. I am sure he has several proven options for the development of events and his decisions on this. We will see in the next couple of months. Events there are crammed very tightly. Everything can change in one day. If he leaves, then of course not far. And the receiver is needed and it is probably getting ready.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 13 December 2017 13: 52 New
      +1
      vladimirvn, 12:57. Is he pulling Medvedev? One term successor has already been trained. Looking forward to practice !?
  16. Dzungar
    Dzungar 13 December 2017 13: 35 New
    +1
    To be in power for so many years, and not foresee a successor and a system supporting it ....? I will not believe for anything ...
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 13 December 2017 17: 09 New
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      Quote: Dzungar
      To be in power for so many years, and not foresee a successor and a system supporting it ....? I will not believe for anything ...

      And you go to school and find who looked after and what happened.
      Yeltsin - looked after, for a long time probably looked closely, as much as 24 hours. Brezhnev, Khrushchev, Stalin, or Lenin whom he appointed. Well, it is simpler with emperors, but also the Soviets appointed, there were precedents. Oh, did Grozny appoint or Peter 1? Rave.
  17. Begemot
    Begemot 13 December 2017 15: 16 New
    +4
    This “complete degradation of academic and research freedom, the return of censorship and demotivation of the academic and scientific community,” concludes Marian Balaz

    In the USSR, science was at the highest level and the 1 department did not interfere with it. For many years he handed over and received his own materials and documents from the Specialists, it did not interfere with the work at all.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 13 December 2017 17: 03 New
      +1
      To whom you explain. They have another cake floating by the nose, and you ..... about the logic.
  18. turbris
    turbris 13 December 2017 15: 49 New
    0
    “Putin thinks of himself as a historical figure, and he knows that if he wants to get into historical books, he should not repeat Mugabe’s mistake: he must choose the right time and leave,” says Konstantin Kalachev, political strategist, head of Political expert group. " So what do you think - how can this unfinished political strategist know what Putin is thinking about? And in this regard, the entire article with the analysis of "Experts" is a fantasy - which is not interesting to read. In general - the next zero article, all of these versions - fortune-telling on coffee grounds from the observer Oleg.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 13 December 2017 17: 01 New
      +1
      You shouldn’t be so. Is it really not interesting to know what the cantonized winner of the Cold War raves about?
      He raves about the victory, which is brazenly stolen in broad daylight!
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    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 13 December 2017 16: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Robert Izrin_2
      How tired of this Putin and his appearance in the role of the PRESIDENT is not to peace, but to war !?

      For God's sake. Berlin is not the first time to take, already used to.
      1. Ivan 63
        Ivan 63 17 December 2017 14: 26 New
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        Which flag to take then?
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  20. Kurochkin
    Kurochkin 13 December 2017 16: 33 New
    +2
    Hooray to comrade Putin !!!!
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 13 December 2017 18: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Kurochkin
      Hooray to comrade Putin !!!!

      Kurochkin does not pour. Kurochkin. fell down. It should help, when you get home, can you call a taxi? belay
  21. Santor
    Santor 13 December 2017 16: 36 New
    0
    An interesting brand of that coffee, on whose thick they all fantasized while in toilet meditation ...
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 13 December 2017 16: 58 New
      0
      Coffee and. Rams like to guess on a lamb shoulder.
  22. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 13 December 2017 16: 37 New
    +2
    Rave. We will vote for Putin again because we need a strong leader and we have one. And he will make the country even greater. And at the end of his work, a new strong, charismatic, and most importantly patriotic leader will finally appear who will further lead the country along the path of restoring a superpower.
    1. mgero
      mgero 13 December 2017 19: 49 New
      -1
      Ura! Ura! Ura!
      1. turbris
        turbris 17 December 2017 20: 36 New
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        mgero - and you do not go about it! Because the majority of the country's population thinks so and you will see the results in the elections. And the fact that individual persons write on the site here is the personal opinion of a very small handful of losers who find their self-fulfillment exclusively on the Internet - “every soldier thinks of himself as a general” ..
  23. Archon
    Archon 13 December 2017 16: 38 New
    0
    Since 1993, Russian scientists have been obliged to submit to the special services for approval "all of their research, scientific work and articles related, for example, to industry."
    Yes, this is nonsense, viewing the work takes 1-2 minutes and requires just another blank signature.
  24. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 December 2017 16: 43 New
    0
    One who has sat on the throne for too long can be overthrown: the fresh bitter experience of President Mugabe in Zimbabwe, who sat in the chair for 37 years, showed it well.
    Dear Gazik, thanks for the help. GDP has 20 years of reign, then rest in peace.
  25. golubevaspb
    golubevaspb 13 December 2017 16: 49 New
    0
    All this, fortune-telling on coffee grounds, no one knows what will happen, even Putin.
  26. kkk888
    kkk888 13 December 2017 16: 50 New
    0
    who both started and ends
  27. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 December 2017 16: 54 New
    0
    And yet it’s obvious: there are signs of “Putin’s fatigue,” the journalist writes.
    Who is the journalist, Pavlovsky? Do not tell my slippers. He is a therapist.
    - GDP, I do not like you. Tongue .... teeth .....
    By the way, how much do you get? ...
    - Yeah ... Well then, walk, walk and walk.
  28. LAWNER
    LAWNER 13 December 2017 16: 56 New
    +1
    I’m reading an article by these analysts and it seems to me that I need to act like ancient "barbarians" ....
    Burn on the funeral pyre together with the Leader of his friends, relatives, limousines, weapons and slaves. To serve him in the afterlife)))
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  30. klm-57
    klm-57 13 December 2017 17: 13 New
    +3
    I hope that "closer to 2024" there will also be a worthy candidate for the presidency of Russia, able to defend the interests of the country, and not work in the style of "what you please" in relation to the United States. Up to this point, it is necessary to amend the Russian constitution, relieving it of its subordination to "International Law", that is, again, the United States.
  31. Andkor1962
    Andkor1962 13 December 2017 17: 22 New
    +2
    I will vote only for Shoigu, or not for anyone. In my opinion, the only one who hasn’t messed himself up yet. Something like that. And in Putin, I was disappointed after he passed RUSSIA to the Olympics !!!!!!!
  32. gladcu2
    gladcu2 13 December 2017 17: 28 New
    +1
    Well ...

    It turns out that in the science of the Russian Federation the guidance of a systematic order. I didn’t even know. Very promising. And about the championship of universities, so it is on the principle of “who are the judges?”

    Still would be engaged in systematic power. This is when the government is not dependent on the individual, but works autonomously.
  33. Dimax
    Dimax 13 December 2017 17: 33 New
    +2
    There will of course be attempts to push through the American system of government in Russia, where the president is more likely a tribute to democracy than a person who is called upon to solve the complex problems facing the state, the people are ruled by the Nazi elite, but most likely the conditionally monarchical one that is used in Russia will remain, since nazelita is absent, or rather it is, but its interests unfortunately do not coincide with the interests of the Russian state.
  34. Twodi
    Twodi 13 December 2017 17: 36 New
    0
    The military ruled already, after the Second World War, and what came of it ??? Yes, there was a lot of good, but the result of such a rule is always the same ...
  35. Foxmara
    Foxmara 13 December 2017 17: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: E_V_N
    That is, the GDP was “banned” from investigating the “liberals” affairs in the field of privatization, while the Yeltsin center itself grew in Yekaterinburg like a mushroom in the forest?

    that is, Putin does not need checkers, but to go. You and many others proceed from the concept that Putin is doing something for himself. She is mistaken. Putin is a statesman and is a man of his word. And, he is not a revolutionary, but an evolutionary.

    If at the time of "coming to power" he had no power as such - he agreed (probably) with many who openly opposed, as Khodor was demonstrably punished, the rest obeyed. The terms of the contract are probably followed today. Whether you want it or not - at that time it was probably impossible to put together pieces that were ready to fall apart. An attempt to immediately launch a counter-revolution would probably bury Putin back in 2000. And with it, hopes for recovery.
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  37. Feldscher
    Feldscher 13 December 2017 20: 44 New
    +2
    “Putin thinks of himself as a historical figure, and he knows that if he wants to get into historical books, he should not repeat Mugabe’s mistake: he must choose the right time and leave”

    So Putin is a historical figure. Along with Peter I, Stalin.
  38. dok123
    dok123 13 December 2017 21: 50 New
    +1
    A purely ovish interested look, with a claim to analytics.
  39. Alexander S
    Alexander S 13 December 2017 21: 55 New
    0
    Putin doesn’t trust anyone, not even himself, as a result of this he won’t go anywhere And he will always answer "persuasion": okay, I’ll stay again well ...
  40. Van
    Van 13 December 2017 23: 55 New
    0
    In general, the idea of ​​a security council and scientists makes sense, and in the future, a council of scientists who would have full power in the Russian state and be able to solve all the problems and tasks of developing and protecting Russia on the path of life, in the pursuit of the future and the stars .. .
    In any case, it awaits us. Or is it . No other given ...
    1. Don Analyst
      Don Analyst 15 December 2017 10: 24 New
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      divorce all this advice - they will sell everything as the Central Committee of the CPSU
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  41. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 14 December 2017 02: 42 New
    +1
    However, there is an impression that there will be no project 33. While we are here tinkering with our elections, with the elections, laws, bonds, etc., a world view has already been created that we urgently need to be treated like Libya (for example) or Yugi . It remains only to agree with the "elites" on what "button" to exchange. Then wave the test tube. And can you start ?!
  42. NIKOLAI T
    NIKOLAI T 14 December 2017 06: 26 New
    +2
    Goofy crap
  43. Dmitry Kuzhilney
    Dmitry Kuzhilney 14 December 2017 08: 37 New
    +3
    After such articles, I want to unsubscribe from the resource once and for all. bully
  44. JETFLAG
    JETFLAG 14 December 2017 09: 38 New
    +2
    Now, when already “arrogant Saxons” change their cards and plans at their headquarters ?! For centuries not a damn thing has changed. And how many times have they already received in the faces and again the same button accordion is torn for the hundredth time. It would be better to thoroughly study their systemic crises. and with their plans they went to the toilet and emptied properly, because sometimes enlightenment comes on a point ... :)
  45. monah2987
    monah2987 14 December 2017 11: 49 New
    0
    First think about the Motherland and then about “your own pocket in the BORZOTA elite and sabotage officials,” who have seriously destroyed the cohesion of the people, collectives, and confidence in the progressive development of the G-v.
  46. istepanov
    istepanov 14 December 2017 14: 16 New
    +1
    Again, a harmful pseudo-duality - either the successor or the military council of the FSB, by definition an opaque and non-transparent structure into which to load systemic enemies (not restraining oneself in the arsenal of means of promotion) is quite feasible for Western intelligence services.
    That is, cleaned from sediment, the same Jewish destruction of permacolonial containment.
    The solution is clear, obvious, and ... no alternative - YES, COUNCIL, but not only of the security forces, reliably transparent and understandable in their goals, which, under the pretext of state secrets, to hide after half a century behind us, is bullshit.
  47. Yugra
    Yugra 14 December 2017 21: 59 New
    +3
    What a moronic little article. In which chamber of the psychiatric hospital is its author?
  48. Don Analyst
    Don Analyst 15 December 2017 10: 22 New
    +1
    Our "tired" Putin, as they have new and rested politicians ...
  49. Ray Rinov
    Ray Rinov 15 December 2017 14: 32 New
    0
    All this is nonsense. These are assumptions of what might happen if today's time is moved forward 10 years. Only time to change. Today's Russia is not what it was 5-10-15 years ago. New figures will appear, perhaps the system itself will be modernized. So this bleating through the prism of the Western vision of the world is about nothing.
    In difficult times, wars, etc. win when power is concentrated in one hand. To this, even in ancient Rome, they came when, during the reign of the Senate, during the war they elected the Consul and gave all power to him. In peacetime, however, advice will be quite possible, and not military, it’s Western horror stories.
    1. Mikhail Filippov
      Mikhail Filippov 18 December 2017 10: 19 New
      0
      In fact, in ancient Rome, consuls were chosen in peacetime. And not one, but two.
      During a war danger, a dictator was chosen for a period of six months
  50. Yeti
    Yeti 15 December 2017 19: 47 New
    0
    Thicker rotten water in a mortar and no more.