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Kiev: We intend to abandon the railway communication with Russia

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Ukraine is considering "retaliation" against the actions of Russian Railways in the direction of trains bypassing Ukraine in the Zhuravka-Millerovo section. Recall that initially in Ukraine they stated that they were “delighted by the Russian decision, since Russian trains have nothing to do on Ukrainian soil.”


Now the leadership of the state-owned company Ukrzaliznytsia announced that they are considering the possibility of rejecting the rail link with Russia. The Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Volodymyr Omelyan confirmed this kind of information. He is quoted by the information service. UNIAN:
The question of railway communication with the Russian Federation is first of all being considered by Ukrzaliznytsya. I think we can announce the final decision in 2018 year. There are two components - cargo and passenger. From the passenger train, we have the only Russian train plying in the Chisinau-Moscow direction and several Ukrainian trains heading for Moscow. After the analysis carried out by Ukrzaliznytsia, we will be ready to take a government decision of an appropriate nature. As for direct damage to "Ukrzaliznytsia", it is in the amount of one hryvnia per year. Maybe someone does not know, at that time Ukrzaliznytsia entered into an agreement with Russian Railways on a practically free transit passage, through which the transit trains, freight, passenger to the south of the Russian Federation went.


Kiev: We intend to abandon the railway communication with Russia


At the same time, Omelyan does not say anything about the damage that the Ukrainian authorities will inflict on their own citizens if the railway communication with Russia is completely canceled. After all, the trains departing from the territory of Ukraine to the Russian Federation are used by more than 90% for Ukrainian citizens.

In response to the statement by Omelyan, Ukrainian guest workers working in the Russian Federation stated: “Let's take the buses. They have not been canceled yet. ”
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 13 December 2017 07: 04 New
    18
    Let them go ... on arbahs with torbahs .. But to be honest, in fact, what did they forget here? Well, understandably there are family ties. And earn money from yourself, if possible. Or in Europe, you really wanted to.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 13 December 2017 07: 11 New
      12
      Closely becoming on the planet. Paradox smile
    2. Anarchist
      Anarchist 13 December 2017 07: 14 New
      15
      Dmitry, not everyone is allowed to work in Europe! They ride with the motto - `` I will take a penny from the enemy! ''
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 13 December 2017 08: 50 New
        10
        Hi Sasha! hi
        Kiev: We intend to abandon the railway communication with Russia

        Another awkward attempt from blind to blind "I can". Stupid and not new. fool
      2. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 13 December 2017 11: 28 New
        +3
        and will now creep Ukrogaster to work to the "invaders" infantry columns)))
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 13 December 2017 07: 28 New
      +4
      Now it’s getting cheaper by plane. Railway is a private monopoly, however. Played out in the market, damn it! belay belay
      1. dSK
        dSK 13 December 2017 07: 45 New
        +4
        Hello Oleg!
        Kiev: We intend to abandon the railway communication with Russia
        A good suggestion, if Russia introduced "visas" to cool the "maydanutyh". hi
        1. Sergey-svs
          Sergey-svs 13 December 2017 08: 16 New
          +8
          Maidan works! Finally - PEREMOGA! good
          "Well, finish, maskals, about lying about some mythical $ 300! Here are the Rails to pass into scrap metal - that's real REAL money!" - Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Volodimir Omelyan. fool Glory to Ukraine! " yes
          laughing laughing laughing
          1. Antares
            Antares 13 December 2017 11: 21 New
            +3
            Quote: Sergey-svs
            $ 300 million lie!

            Russian sources
            Ukrainian station Zorinovka, as well as the railway track, was leased by Russian Railways.
            And until recently, only direct income of Ukraine from the movement of Russian trains on this "transport appendix" amounted to about two hundred with a small million dollars a year

            RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/analytics/20170909/1502110136.html
            Zorinovka station is located on the territory of Ukraine, but remained under the jurisdiction of Russian Railways. According to RBC, the Russian railways “unofficially rented” this section from the local village council (Ukrainian legislation does not allow to rent railway tracks). There was no border control at this section and the trains at the Zorinovka station did not stop.

            https://ru-antivisa.livejournal.com/351249.html
            And now in more detail
            After attempts to "transfer the border" of the Russian Federation and Ukraine with the filing of Russian Railways
            Therefore, Russian Railways has signed lease agreements with village councils of the Luhansk region. Sergei Prishchepa, the head of the Morozovsky Village Council, subordinate to which is the Zorinovka station, said that the lease was concluded in 2007 for 49 years. According to this document, Russian Railways pays a percentage of the value of land.

            Prischepa also added that in the next 3 years, trains will continue to run, and that most likely the Russian Federation will continue to use the Lugansk part of the road for cargo transportation (metal, coal, timber, etc.), and the new branch on the territory of the Russian Federation - for passenger transportation.
            https://ru.hromadske.ua/posts/kak-rossyia-borolas
            -za-zheleznodorozhnuiu-nezavysymost-ot-ukrayny
            In total, we have- Russian Railways paid money only according to an agreement with the local village council for renting land (what price can be found only from this agreement and it is unlikely to be 200 million a year!) And they didn’t pay anything else, since there are no border controls there and the trains did not stop . 20 people worked at the station.
            Total Ukraine -minus money to the village council, minus 20 vacancies.
            In the plus, passenger roaming will not change during the trip.
            The issue is bloated - Russian media should emphasize the importance, therefore, the figures for "savings" are outrageous. Ukrainian should emphasize the insignificance, the numbers are underestimated completely.
            Who to believe, everyone chooses. The contract for the lease of land of the village council, no one leads.
            1. krops777
              krops777 13 December 2017 14: 30 New
              0
              Who to believe, everyone chooses. The contract for the lease of land of the village council, no one leads.

              In addition, Russian Railways also serviced this section of the road. And now Ukrzaliznytsia only needs to cut the rails for scrap metal, to sell the equipment at a low price for this they actually sought, to get quick free money.
              1. your1970
                your1970 14 December 2017 12: 45 New
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                This is the usual, normal practice of railways. It has become a consequence of the fact that starting from the Republic of Ingushetia they were a single system interconnected.
                According to the SMGS (international agreement on railway communication), sections of the road to the border station belong to foreign countries, so the transfer of rolling stock and goods is possible only at stations.
                Those. for example 17 km of the railway to the station. Ozinki is owned by Kazakhstan Temir Zholy CJSC, the transfer is carried out by KTZ employees at Ozinki station. There is a reverse situation - when we own pieces of the road from that side - to their station.
                As far as I know - in Russia, Russian Railways pays nothing for anyone to use the land - all land with an alienation strip is owned by Russian Railways
                1. krops777
                  krops777 14 December 2017 14: 11 New
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                  Those. for example 17 km of the railway to the station. Ozinki is owned by Kazakhstan Temir Zholy CJSC, the transfer is carried out by KTZ employees at Ozinki station. There is a reverse situation - when we own pieces of the road from that side - to their station.
                  As far as I know - in Russia, Russian Railways pays nothing for anyone to use the land - all land with an alienation strip is owned by Russian Railways



                  Well, in the first station Gartamashevka and Zorinovka are located on the border of Russia and Ukraine, that is, de facto we did not have to service the area between these stations, however, we serviced and paid a considerable rent.
                  With regards to Russia, Russian Railways according to Art. 90 LC RF partially pays land tax.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 14 December 2017 15: 22 New
                    0
                    "Zorinovka (Ukrainian. Zorinivka) - a railway station at 885 km of the highway Moscow - Voronezh - Rostov-on-Don, belonging to the Liskinsky region of the Southeast railway, but located on the territory of the Melovsky district of the Luhansk region of Ukraine. "- that is, as I said - the road there OUR was
                    "In the spring of 2018, it is planned to begin dismantling the Gartmashevka (excl.) - Chertkovo (exc.) Section."
      2. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 13 December 2017 11: 26 New
        +2
        Iraflot sometimes became cheaper to carry than a piece of iron - prices rise like mold
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 13 December 2017 19: 42 New
          +1
          They would have refused transit. Surely Minsk will be only too happy. hi
  2. Greg Miller
    Greg Miller 13 December 2017 07: 04 New
    +7
    In Minsk, rubbing their hands joyfully .....
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 13 December 2017 07: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Greg Miller
      In Minsk, rubbing their hands joyfully .....

      Transit from Russia via Minsk by train to Kiev is stupid and unprofitable. Simply by bus or even by plane directly. smile
      1. 210ox
        210ox 13 December 2017 07: 36 New
        +8
        There are no flights since 2015 ..
        Quote: Thrall
        Quote: Greg Miller
        In Minsk, rubbing their hands joyfully .....

        Transit from Russia via Minsk by train to Kiev is stupid and unprofitable. Simply by bus or even by plane directly. smile
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 13 December 2017 07: 17 New
      +1
      the leadership of the state-owned company Ukrzaliznytsia announced that they were considering the possibility of abandoning rail links with Russia.

      wassat
      What can I say ... patients from the sixth and 13th wards decided to jump together in the abyss ...

      no need to save them ... in any case ... otherwise they will pull us along.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 13 December 2017 07: 40 New
        +9
        Ukrzaliznytsia company
        one name is worth it! wassat
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 13 December 2017 07: 48 New
          +3
          This sales does not look like desovetization and other nations, so we don’t play with the achressor in the sandbox?
          It's cool that the sand is from the achressor, do they come there to play with their scoop and mustache?
    3. gavrila2984
      gavrila2984 13 December 2017 07: 59 New
      +1
      Old Man has a good opportunity to update the railway network and infrastructure of Belarus. Again, new jobs ...
  3. Vitas
    Vitas 13 December 2017 07: 06 New
    +5
    And get to the buses. With people, like cattle ...
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 December 2017 07: 13 New
    +6
    Omelyan says nothing about the damage that will be caused by the authorities of Ukraine to their own citizens
    And to us, what before their damage is not even fig? Or, again, we will rejoice for the "fraternal" Ukrainian people?
  5. Ankipelgygyrgyn
    Ankipelgygyrgyn 13 December 2017 07: 15 New
    +6
    Yes, I’d rather already. And then they scare everyone like that, then with visas, then canceling the message ...
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 13 December 2017 07: 55 New
      +5
      At least once started to the logical end brought ... wink
  6. Chichikov
    Chichikov 13 December 2017 07: 16 New
    +6
    As for the direct damage to Ukrzaliznytsia, it is in the amount of one hryvnia per year.
    Wow, how touchy we are! Really because of one hryvnia, decided on such a move. Looks really, bad things in the kingdom of Poroshenko!
  7. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 13 December 2017 07: 17 New
    +4
    Ukrainian guest workers working in the Russian Federation said: “We will transfer to buses. Nobody has canceled them yet. ”

    So they say, who do not go with young children ....
    1. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 13 December 2017 07: 27 New
      +6
      Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
      So they say, who do not go with young children ....
      I personally would like to spit what ak they will go here, but even if they cancel it - to the border with Russia by train, then by bus. will not break if you really need to. and in Russia, again, you can catch a train. more expensive and longer? all questions to their chosen ones, as well as "what they fought for and ran into."
      1. Gamer
        Gamer 13 December 2017 12: 11 New
        +2
        all questions to their chosen ones
        in fact, you can’t argue. And how good it was last year to travel from Moscow to Kharkov overnight by train
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic 13 December 2017 07: 22 New
    +3
    The name of the minister is so typically ukroinskaya wassat Omelyan lol .There, it seems that Ukrainians only need horses for horse racing, but there are other nationalities for the authorities! As it says "-by their names, and you will recognize them" ???? wassat
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 13 December 2017 07: 33 New
      +2
      Yes, a normal surname, with Moldovan roots. There are such ramparts: Omelyan, Nesmyan (famous El-Murid), Montyan, Smeyan (there was such a singer) ... They have nothing to do with the Armenians. In the Moldavian version, the surname in u ends.
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 13 December 2017 08: 44 New
        +1
        Yulia Grigyan is also the one who has become Tymoshenko’s husband, with bagels on her head.
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 13 December 2017 11: 26 New
          0
          With Grigyan, a bummer came out, purely Armenian surname laughing .
          1. Roma 1977
            Roma 1977 13 December 2017 15: 35 New
            0
            Many thought so before.
    2. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 13 December 2017 07: 40 New
      +1
      Herculesic
      The name of the minister is so typically ukroinskaya

      Do you have a GOST yet by definition of a Russian person by the diameter of the skull and a list of Russian names?
      And what does your comment have to do with the article under discussion, nationalist?
      1. oldzek
        oldzek 13 December 2017 10: 40 New
        +1
        really! there is a good phrase: if you want to be Russian, be it! and everything else is not important.
  9. Masya masya
    Masya masya 13 December 2017 07: 27 New
    10
    kraina more and more Anchar Pushkin recalls ...
    Poison dripping through his bark,
    By noon, melting from the heat,
    And freezes in the evening
    Thick transparent resin.

    To him, and the bird does not fly
    And the tiger does not come - only a whirlwind of black
    On the tree of death come running
    And rushes away, already corrupt ...
  10. perm23
    perm23 13 December 2017 07: 32 New
    +2
    So it's time and the buses will be canceled. Let the EU work
  11. Herculesic
    Herculesic 13 December 2017 07: 35 New
    +4
    Well, give up, we do not mind! fool
  12. inkass_98
    inkass_98 13 December 2017 07: 37 New
    +1
    Still, the walls are desperately lacking in races. As well as a moat and a crocodile in it (sorry, crocodiles there are ramparts, own production, but not waterfowl).
    But with brains it’s very tight.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 13 December 2017 07: 53 New
      +4
      Kidding me !!!
      The substance that others have a brain for, these guys, in their heads, only at the expense of the pots put on is preserved!
      Shook-ss, dos-kakas!
  13. Nemesis
    Nemesis 13 December 2017 07: 44 New
    +3
    Well, if only all patients with Russophobia of the republic of the former scoop refused to travel to the Russian Federation .... And all patients with Russophobia already in the Russian Federation, such as Sobchak, left the Russian Federation forever ...
  14. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 13 December 2017 08: 00 New
    +6
    They sniff and listen more and more actively as we are doing, so at the genetic level their nose and ears growth is activated, and their brains will dry out.
  15. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 13 December 2017 08: 02 New
    +1
    .. you can, moreover, disassemble the railway rails, and hand over to black metal. as a relic of the Soviet occupation
  16. Shukshin
    Shukshin 13 December 2017 08: 10 New
    +1
    Only not Ukrainians are ready to refuse, but American advisers cut the railway connection between Ukraine and Russia.
  17. ded100
    ded100 13 December 2017 08: 26 New
    +4
    Let, in spite of all, the rail service cancel canceled carts and cheaper and more familiar! wassat
  18. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 13 December 2017 08: 36 New
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    Let them go ... on arbahs with torbahs .. But to be honest, in fact, what did they forget here? Well, understandably there are family ties. And earn money from yourself, if possible. Or in Europe, you really wanted to.

    Yes, let them work for the benefit of the Russian Federation. Ours doesn’t hurt then they go to such work. Chugunkin said that they are raising the Polish economy, so let them raise the Russian one! good
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 13 December 2017 08: 56 New
      +4
      In fact, Gaster dumping in the labor market and as a result, wages are reduced. If you send all the ukrogaster back, then employers will have to perforce raise salaries to attract workers. So I am only for a visa with Ukraine! And to issue only tourist visas, without the right to work! Let them go to the EU to work! For this they jumped!
  19. Ihrek
    Ihrek 13 December 2017 08: 46 New
    0
    [quote] [/ quote] Kiev: We intend to abandon rail links with Russia

    Flag in your hands lol Let's see who will be worse off from this.
  20. Azazelo
    Azazelo 13 December 2017 08: 50 New
    +2
    It seems like Russia’s war with ukry ... but trains still run? How is that?
  21. Conductor
    Conductor 13 December 2017 08: 50 New
    +2
    Yes, insanity grows stronger. 1. The fact that our branch was built to straighten and sim caused damage to Ukraine. Omelyan of the Russian Federation primarily cares about its interests and about your budget. 2. And if you interrupt the message from the Russian Federation, then why do you need railway transport at all. 3. Finally give up the gas pipe, it will be patsansky.
  22. trampoline instructor
    trampoline instructor 13 December 2017 09: 01 New
    +2
    Where is the visa regime that they have been talking about for 3 years? They are sent unspecific. Only languages ​​can.
    I think Russia can easily do without this “zaliznizzi”. You just need to think about what kind of transport (buses - not an option) to send to the "nenka" stray Gaster. Do not drive them through the stage through Kaluga and Bryansk ...
  23. afrikanez
    afrikanez 13 December 2017 09: 12 New
    +1
    intend to abandon rail links with Russia
    One would like to say: the yellow flag of the conductor "to you" in your hands! fool
  24. sgr291158
    sgr291158 13 December 2017 09: 20 New
    0
    Again they are looking for the guilty, like small children, by golly.
  25. Yuri isaev
    Yuri isaev 13 December 2017 09: 34 New
    +3
    Kiev: We intend to abandon the railway communication with Russia

    Long overdue!
    Moreover, the last voyage will be considered the shipment of the last batch of Ukrainians in Banderozhopiya without the right to return.
  26. Topotun
    Topotun 13 December 2017 09: 39 New
    +3
    Received a new directive from the State Department? Have you decided to start execution together? Flag in hand and a drum on the neck ....
    1. Bosch
      Bosch 13 December 2017 14: 10 New
      0
      And a pan on an empty head.
  27. Falcond
    Falcond 13 December 2017 09: 48 New
    +1
    Probably every third Russian has Ukrainian roots .., but 9 out of 10 Ukrainians have Russians .... Go ahead!)))
  28. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 13 December 2017 09: 55 New
    +6
    Cancel. No problem. Walk like a walk.
  29. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 13 December 2017 10: 12 New
    0
    Kiev: We intend to abandon the railway communication with Russia

    And in the leg yourself Poroshenko does not want to shoot? And maybe a shot, so there is also a head ...
  30. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 December 2017 10: 30 New
    +1
    Yes. Not for nothing this .... that nailed to the pavement their testicles went there. There you can see all of these.
  31. Antares
    Antares 13 December 2017 11: 24 New
    +1
    Kiev: We intend to abandon the railway communication with Russia

    Ukrzaliznytsia’s plans to refuse direct communication with the Russian Federation does not appear.
    Public escalation of the situation.
  32. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 13 December 2017 11: 38 New
    +1
    He’s the one who blows ears into the ears about one hryvnia per year.
  33. igog
    igog 13 December 2017 11: 54 New
    +2
    another hohlofuflo.nothing they will not cancel, once again.
  34. Gamer
    Gamer 13 December 2017 11: 55 New
    0
    In response to the statement by Omelyan, Ukrainian guest workers working in the Russian Federation stated: “Let's take the buses. They have not been canceled yet. ”


    to hear this statement, no one would write a petition to the president on the site
  35. Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 December 2017 13: 19 New
    +1
    And rightly, let it be canceled.
    For we have nothing to transport to Ukraine.
    And even more so with her.
  36. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 13 December 2017 13: 44 New
    +1
    But this is good. Less drugs and svidomit will become in the country - more fresh air will remain.
  37. Bosch
    Bosch 13 December 2017 14: 09 New
    0
    Banderlog, bring down all of Russia. Take your trains and buses for scrap. And do not go on foot here.
  38. Radikal
    Radikal 13 December 2017 14: 47 New
    0
    Quote: seregatara1969
    Iraflot sometimes became cheaper to carry than a piece of iron - prices rise like mold

    And how many? wassat
  39. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 13 December 2017 15: 41 New
    +1
    Well, good. And one, and the other immediately felt better. Just like after going to the toilet.
  40. complete zero
    complete zero 13 December 2017 18: 53 New
    0
    eh, you can’t call it Lavrov’s phrase
  41. complete zero
    complete zero 13 December 2017 18: 54 New
    0
    I am "northerners" sorry for them .. (with whom he worked for more than one year)
  42. Wolka
    Wolka 14 December 2017 05: 48 New
    0
    a woman with a cart is easier ...
  43. osoboye_mneniye
    osoboye_mneniye 14 December 2017 12: 11 New
    0
    “Let's get on the buses. Nobody has canceled them yet. ”
    How miserable. They think only of their opera. And that trains are needed not only in order to carry their asses, it is not familiar to them. Turnover will fall, the population will starve. And this is not the case on the shabbat ..