TU-204. Ok but late

The Tu-204 is a mid-range narrow-body aircraft being built at the Aviastar-SP aircraft factory since 1990. He was planning to replace the Tu-154.

The whole problem with this aircraft is that it took too long to build. Yes, and appeared at a time when it was not at all aviation. And the point here is not only in the dashing 90s, but that the government of the USSR and the Tupolev Design Bureau for 13 years could not decide which aircraft to build. The concept of the future liner has changed several times.

At the beginning of the project it was a plane with two engines in the rear fuselage of the Tu-134 type, about which we told earlier. After a few years, the concept has changed: according to her, it was planned to build a three-engine plane like the American McDonnell Douglas DC-10. A few years later, the new Minister of Aviation Industry of the USSR demanded the creation of a new passenger aircraft corresponding to the level already created overseas Boeing-757 / 767. And only at the beginning of 1986, the government makes a decision in a form in which it is now known.

Comments

[Settlement Oparyshev]

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[senima56]

"The whole problem with this plane is that it took too long to build." And you ask Mr. Poghosyan why "it took too long to create"? And at the same time about TU-334, why is this. An already created and flying sample never went into production? Yes, I almost forgot one more “figure from aviation” Mr. Khristenko - he should be asked for sure too!

[Alekseev]

Quote: senima56

at the same time about TU-334

Tu-204 was created back in Soviet times, almost two decades before the appointment of Pogosyan as head of the USC.
Tu-334 is two times smaller than Tu-204/214, there is no need to make statements on the principle "where the horse with the hoof, there is cancer with the claw."
Cause commercial failure (for use as a runway, etc., it is quite suitable) Tu-204 is simple - the design of the aircraft.
Due to technological problems, the liner crashed at the same passenger capacity as competitors 10 tons heavier. And this is superfluous kerosene, dear, however.
Yes, and PS-90 in the 90s were not worked out enough (resource, maintenance, failures).
To change the situation, it was necessary to carry out two very significant programs: the creation of MS-21 and PD-14.
May God grant them success!

[akarfoxhound]

Pagosyan is very, indeed! Talk with KBeshniks of Tupolevsky, pink glasses on the topic of cutting the dough for the GVF plane will immediately fall.

[core]

I would advise you first of all to recall Marshal Shaposhnikov, it was real.

[Shurale]

When this aircraft could go into circulation, Western lobbyists were already steering this business. No one was forbidden to produce this car, but after the purchase, the company that bought it was subjected to frantic checks, while the companies that bought the old Boeing had no problems, as a result, no one needed the car. Aviastar, which had the ability to produce 80 cars a year, produced one by force. For information - the policy above has not changed.

[Cook]

Yes of course. It turns out that the poor airlines did not allow the authorities to buy advanced aircraft, and because of this, no one needed the car. Greater nonsense did not have to read. For starters, you would take an interest in the mechanism by which airlines replenish their aircraft fleets. In modern conditions, airlines do not buy airplanes, but lease them from leasing companies. The absence of such a mechanism in the Russian Federation in the 90s and early 2000s is one of the main reasons for the unsuccessful fate of this aircraft. In theory, Aviastar could and could produce 80 aircraft per year if someone ordered them from him. Other reasons are: an absolutely undeveloped after-sales service system, piece production of spare parts, the lack of normal documentation, the presence of more competitive and affordable aircraft models for leasing.

[alexjk]

DO NOT ASK, BUT INQUIRY.

[Xaron-a]

These aircraft were not needed in the country. No one ordered, therefore, they were wise with his modifications. Slightly saved foreign contracts. And we worked 3-4 days a week, but on weekends we went out. And they did not see salaries for several months. A full calculation was made exactly one year after the dismissal.

[DPN]

The country is the people, airplanes were needed as they are today, but the rulers didn’t have it before, they had to push us into capitalism, so what kind of ****************** *aircraft.

[AndreyM]

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In fairness, the Tu-204 glider is now producing quite military radio-intelligence and electronic warfare aircraft and air command posts

[seacap]

It looks like the MC 21 and PAC are waiting for the same thing, the 2nd decade is already in development. Several generations of advanced consumers are not able to create and create, as well as effective managers who have effectively destroyed the country, science and the education system, and the old the school is already passing away, Soviet groundwork is ending, and then what?

[prosto_rgb]

MS-21 began to develop after SSJ, so that 10 years in fact no

[BOPOH50]

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Military power is not only guns and missiles, but also the economy, not knowing how to value what you have, is difficult to develop, but you can simply forget about taking a leading position. When you (figuratively, and not specifically you) get into your boot pebbles, it’s impossible to go quickly, and everyone takes and shakes this pebble, so it’s necessary and in everything, they will get rid of those who interfere with developing, by perplexity, ignorance or just from hostile moods. The aviation (and not only) industry in 90 was intentionally destroyed our competing friends, denigrating everything that is possible and introducing their own (maybe not the best, but their own) strengthening their economy. Grief businessmen, rushing to buy all the very "best" (western) did not even have the basics of economic education, undermined their economy countries, but they poured money into the development of their competitors (you know this is a profitable business). Go to your kitchen and see if there is at least something Russian, openers, and those Chinese, and you scratch your turnips, why are our planes so -My, soon we and their whale We will buy Ayts, it’s only in time.

[Vladimir SHajkin]

An interesting review and the right conclusions

[Valery Saitov]

Tu-204 - one of the few passenger aircraft, which in practice has confirmed the possibility of safe completion of the flight with all idle engines. On January 14, 2002, the Tu-204-100 No. 64011 aircraft of the Siberia Airlines, following the Frankfurt-Novosibirsk flight, in difficult weather conditions, produced all the fuel 17 km from Omsk Airport and made a successful landing with two idle engines. No one was injured during landing, and the aircraft soon returned to operation. Since the start of mass production (1990), 82 Tu-204 aircraft of various modifications have been manufactured. As of January 2017, 43 aircraft of the Tu-204 family were in operation.

[dvvv]

the program is still closed, and all the capital went to MS and other projects

[1536]

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But do the military fly only on fighters, or does our army have a state in the state and loafers from various ministries and departments bypass it a mile and a half? Then the “kulubnik” has nothing to discuss. But only if you start discussing it already in the compote, it can happen that you will have to forget about domestic-made aircraft in general.