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Trump: We will go to the moon again

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US President Donald Trump decided to take another extravagant step. The day before he decided to renew the action of the so-called lunar program of the USA. Recall that this program was curtailed by the decision of the previous United States President Barack Obama.


RIA News cites the statement of Trump, who signed the corresponding document:
The directive I am signing today is changing the focus of the American space program ... this means an important step in returning American astronauts to the moon for the first time since 1972 for long-term research. This time we will not only leave our flag and traces there, we will create the basis for the subsequent flight to Mars and, possibly, to many other worlds.


Trump: We will go to the moon again


Most others were delighted by the decision of Trump in NASA, where even the live broadcast of the speech of the American president was conducted. In the aerospace agency of the United States reacted to the statement of trump with particular enthusiasm, because they understand that NASA from the state budget of the United States can go additional funding.

In political and political circles of the United States, the decision of the American president was called populism and another attempt to attract the attention of American society with loud slogans. However, ordinary Americans, as shown by opinion polls, approve the decision on new flights to the Moon, formulating Trump's slogan “Let's make America great again”.
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  1. Oleg Andreev
    Oleg Andreev 12 December 2017 06: 56 New
    27
    In the Hollywood pavilion?
    1. Sergey-svs
      Sergey-svs 12 December 2017 06: 59 New
      41
      Quote: Oleg Andreev
      In the Hollywood pavilion?

      Well, why are you so mocking about our "friends and partners"! request Trump is always responsible for his words, no one dares to refute the veracity of his statements:
      “We are the greatest nation!” Superman dug the Panama Canal, Iron Man made a decisive contribution to our victories in world wars, Rambo brought communism to its knees, and Stanley Kubrick sent our astronauts to the moon. There is little left, Frodo Beggins will soon end the Russian Mordor! good
      PS I agree with everything, but there are two questions:
      1. What kind of bastard stole the magic flask of Pyatr Lyakseyich Poroshenko and gave it to Trump?
      2. Do the Chinese know that their Communist Party is on their knees?
      laughing laughing laughing
      1. Frol 7525
        Frol 7525 12 December 2017 07: 07 New
        17
        What are you talking about, foolish child? Tell me more that the Americans did not dock with ours ...
        1. Sofa General
          Sofa General 12 December 2017 07: 19 New
          10
          Frol 7525
          specialist for you:
          SEE HERE: http://www.aonoprienko.ru/?p=36
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 12 December 2017 07: 37 New
            +7
            The directive that I am signing today ... This time we are not only ... and, possibly, then to many other worlds.

            Ostap suffered wassat
            GDP likes to give books. Trump Ilf and Petrov must certainly be handed over. wink
            1. Thrall
              Thrall 12 December 2017 08: 58 New
              +4
              This is from the category "I want to go to Paris again" smile
              1. bulvas
                bulvas 12 December 2017 09: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: Thrall
                This is from the category "I want to go to Paris again" smile


                laughing
                thin thing
                Interestingly, many remember her?
                1. 72jora72
                  72jora72 12 December 2017 13: 37 New
                  +2
                  our generation still remembers .....
            2. hrych
              hrych 12 December 2017 08: 59 New
              +3
              Quote: Vladimir16
              Ostap suffered

              Here it is necessary, as it was said, they say that we are returning to the lunar filming again, but in higher quality or for the first time we will try to throw there a man, better than an African-American, very similar to a black man. So, Elon Musk will arm the detsky flamethrower against either the lunatics or the veneres. Good luck with Van Allen wassat
              1. Severomor
                Severomor 12 December 2017 09: 25 New
                +3
                Quote: hrych
                better than an african american who looks a lot like a black man

                preferably unspecified with gender identity
            3. romandostalo
              romandostalo 12 December 2017 19: 26 New
              0
              Dunno on the moon for him just right!
          2. figwam
            figwam 12 December 2017 09: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: Oleg Andreev
            In the Hollywood pavilion?

            FSA status is falling, so spending money on a new film studio and pavilions with the current level of computer graphics is much easier than actually doing something, but we have long been accustomed to NASA's tales.
          3. meGrail
            meGrail 12 December 2017 10: 17 New
            +5
            Is there really so many uneducated people on the site who believed that the same illiterate people worked in the USSR and the USA in the space field that they themselves could not fly into space?
            1. grandson of Perun
              grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 10: 47 New
              10
              Usually the opposite is true - it is the uneducated who blindly believe in advertising and "flying to the moon." In contrast, educated people are much better versed in the subject of conversation and therefore they have doubts. Moreover, NASA does not dispel doubts with evidence, but begins to be rude, which only strengthens doubts wink
              1. meGrail
                meGrail 12 December 2017 11: 38 New
                +3
                Oh yeah! Do these "educated" begin to carry nonsense about the waving flag and require the atheist astronaut to swear on the Bible? Well, if "educated" - means "sacrifice of the exam," then everything adds up.
                1. grandson of Perun
                  grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 11: 56 New
                  +7
                  The flag in the list of doubts is far from the first place. Although the explanations about the flag (supposedly elastic vibrations of the loose end) are ridiculous.
                  More serious doubts about the claimed thrust of the F1 engine, the insignificant radiation dose in the Van Allen belts (especially during the period of solar activity), the perfect state of the astronauts after landing from the second space one-wing scheme after more than a week in zero gravity, etc.
                  What does your "education" say about this?
                  1. meGrail
                    meGrail 12 December 2017 12: 35 New
                    +2
                    Although the explanations about the flag (supposedly elastic vibrations of the loose end) are ridiculous.

                    They are ridiculous to the point of view, for a person who has missed a school physics course, yes.
                    And about the "fiercest radiation belts of Van Alen" can you give links with measurements of this radiation itself, just not yellow pages with chatter about "monstrous radiation"?
                    Here's an example of calculating the dose of astronauts flying to the moon - https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s2ch3.htm
                    1. grandson of Perun
                      grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 14: 58 New
                      +3
                      As always, NASA attorneys have an identity shift instead of arguments. Apparently because there is nothing to object to the case ...
                      Where in the "dose calculations" are the calculations themselves? Photos of “dosimeters” that “measured” the radiation in the Van Allen belts, comparable to radiation at the DOE. But for some reason, Bonnie chimpanzee, launched in 1969 in Van Allen’s belt, died from acute radiation on her return ...
                      No wonder the monkey grabbed the deadly several hundred Curies. But the “astronauts“ flying ”behind her lived healthy until their very old age ...

                      The question is for a self-educated person who did not skip physics at school: what is the yield strength of the alloy from which the tubes of the “basket” of the combustion chamber of the Saturn F1 engine were made?

                      And in what constructive way did the strong longitudinal vibrations characteristic of such huge combustion chambers, because of which both unmanned test launches of Saturn-5 ended in accidents, were suppressed?
                      1. meGrail
                        meGrail 12 December 2017 15: 14 New
                        +1
                        As always, supporters of conspiracy theory do not cite a single reference to any source, but only some unsubstantiated statements, and if you yourself begin to look for where these statements come from, then the source will be any yellow newspaper or ReN-TV movie .
                        And what will the yield strength of the alloy give you? Neither I, nor I am sure, will be able to calculate the operation parameters of such an engine (and if you can, why aren’t you working for the space industry yet? After all, it would be possible to disperse the institutes and leave you alone to count the engines!)
                        Well, of course, you probably think the Queen and the company are also crooks, because they could not have known about the American "setup"
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 12 December 2017 21: 01 New
                        0
                        Everything was technically verified and done, and most importantly it worked - people did everything and calculated without computers F 1 an excellent confirmation of this.
                    2. the lord
                      the lord 18 December 2017 00: 40 New
                      0
                      And yet, what can you say about the well-being of the astronauts, which they demonstrated after the flight - cheerful and cheerful .... Physics. places far from Earth have been little studied and can be justified for a long time, but human physiology is a fairly well-known thing
            2. Gonchar
              Gonchar 12 December 2017 18: 54 New
              0
              .
              Quote: meGrail
              illiterate people worked in the space field like themselves
              In Ukraine, too, they do not believe that Gagarin flew
          4. Alone
            Alone 14 December 2017 18: 14 New
            0
            Good link. good .Man put everything on the shelves.
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 12 December 2017 13: 05 New
          +5
          Quote: Frol 7525
          What are you talking about, foolish child? Tell me more that the Americans did not dock with ours ... [

          Frol, Gagarin was, Soyuz-Apollo was, the Americans were in orbit, there were no Americans on the moon.
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 12 December 2017 17: 39 New
            +3
            Hello, Glory! You speak the truth. By the way, regarding the resumption of American fiction, Masha Zakharova said perfectly:
            In turn, Zakharova found the answer to this difficult task and wrote on her page on the social network that “Russian hackers” will bring US astronauts to the moon, because they can do anything ....

            Source: https://politpuzzle.ru/85208-zaharova-udachno-sir
            onizirovala-po-povodu-lunnoj-programmy-ssha-vas-d
            ostavyat-tuda-russkie-hakery-oni-mogut-vse /
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 12 December 2017 21: 06 New
            0
            They have been on the Moon more than once, and if you are not complete amateurs - you should take a look at the records of the landings on the Moon’s surface, pay attention to how the moon dust moves from the astronaut’s shoes - in Earth conditions it’s not realistic to remove it, it’s clear that it’s clear that no gravity and vacuum.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 12 December 2017 21: 12 New
              +3
              Vadim, did you hold a candle there? Seven days do not walk around big and do not urinate .... Try, then tell us your feelings!
      2. novel66
        novel66 12 December 2017 07: 15 New
        +8
        What did you steal right away? he himself gave, so that the javelins would not be pinched. tea is not the last
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 12 December 2017 09: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Sergey-svs
          1. What kind of bastard stole the magic flask of Pyatr Lyakseyich Poroshenko and gave it to Trump?


          Quote: novel xnumx
          What did you steal right away? he himself gave, so that the javelins would not be pinched. tea is not the last


          on coal (from the moon!?!? lol ) had to change



      3. pvv113
        pvv113 12 December 2017 07: 57 New
        10
        There is another question: where did the 400 kilograms of lunar soil brought in?
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 12 December 2017 08: 59 New
          12
          Quote: pvv113
          There is another question: where did the 400 kilograms of lunar soil brought in?

          Sent to Mars smile
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 12 December 2017 09: 01 New
            12
            It will be cool: earthlings on Mars build a base of lunar soil laughing
            1. novel66
              novel66 12 December 2017 09: 26 New
              +8
              we will deliver fertilizers from Venus
        2. Scalpel
          Scalpel 12 December 2017 10: 21 New
          +3
          They were taken to scientific institutes. Including and we have.
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 12 December 2017 10: 36 New
            +4
            What was given by the research institute is a small fraction. And 400kg was gone. In addition, there was information that someone instead of the lunar soil came across a piece of petrified wood, which is also perplexing
          2. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 10: 56 New
            +4
            Quote: Scalpel
            They were taken to scientific institutes. Including and we have.

            Of 380 kg we were given only 5 grams. Question: where is the rest?
            They gave us a pinch of dust. It is much more interesting for science to study not dust, but cobblestone as a whole. By the way, a machine like Luna-16 will not pick up a cobblestone, but it is much easier for a astronaut to pick up a cobblestone than to collect dust. Question: why there is no scientific work on the study of moonstones?
            1. meGrail
              meGrail 12 December 2017 11: 47 New
              +5
              Bullshit. You can even order a lunar soil for research right now - https://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/contacts.cfm, of course, you will need guarantees for its storage and so on, which, however, is not a problem if you are from a serious institute and not a sofa a whistle-blowing warrior.
              And for self-education - take a look that a knowledgeable person says https://zelenyikot.livejournal.com/98980.html
              1. Thrall
                Thrall 12 December 2017 12: 09 New
                +4
                Quote: meGrail
                Bullshit. You can even order a lunar soil for research right now - https://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/contacts.cfm, of course, you will need guarantees for its storage and so on, which, however, is not a problem if you are from a serious institute and not a sofa a whistle-blowing warrior.

                But the lunar soil with a 50% discount was sold in Minsk. True, the action has already ended smile
                https://www.slivki.by/lunnij-grunt-minsk-skidka
              2. grandson of Perun
                grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 17: 48 New
                +2
                Again rude instead of argumentation. Oh well.
                Instead of links to the contacts of the Nazi "curators", it is better to give links to scientific works on the study of lunar soil. Not the dust that the machine can bring, but the stones.
                1. meGrail
                  meGrail 12 December 2017 20: 40 New
                  0
                  Again, turn to liquid excuses and translation of arrows, and, according to tradition, no links, no matter what.
                  Research - at least heaps -
                  https://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lnews/index.cf
                  m # no71
                  , but you, as I understand it, consider all the information from NASA fabricated, then you still
                  https://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/books/lunar
                  _stratigraphy / chapter_6.pdf
                  here is a list of laboratories - where you can see all this live
                  https://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/laboratory_tou
                  r.cfm
                  Although why am I writing this, vryatli you go down to reading articles in the enemy language. It is now understandable, ReN-TV, it is more interesting!
                  1. grandson of Perun
                    grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 21: 06 New
                    +1
                    Let’s stop being rude and give me marks. Answer better to the questions asked to you.
                    Now on the case: you yourself read the documents on your own links? I wrote a few more comments above that research regolith not interested. Regolith can also bring a machine. Where is the study of large stones?
                    If instead of answering write pascivili about me again, your discharge will be counted.
                    1. meGrail
                      meGrail 13 December 2017 04: 36 New
                      0
                      Everything is clear, you didn’t even open my links, as befits a conspiracy supporter, they don’t look at anything except their circle of “materials” and “sources”
                      1. grandson of Perun
                        grandson of Perun 13 December 2017 10: 14 New
                        +1
                        Opened and read. There about the research of regolith. For the third time you explain the difference between regolith and pieces of basalt?
                        So, instead of facts, howls again about the "conspiracy theory." Your drain is counted.
                      2. meGrail
                        meGrail 13 December 2017 11: 34 New
                        0
                        Be kind, for the third time explain the difference, because the previous times you apparently explained to yourself
                        And you are a hollow breach (and this is not an insult, but a statement), since exactly in the links I have given are what you are looking for, for each of the samples brought from the moon!
                        https://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/index.cfm
                        It can be seen that you are not even aware of this resource, not that you would read it. Therefore, I say that you are a waste.
                      3. meGrail
                        meGrail 14 December 2017 13: 11 New
                        0
                        Like all conspiracy supporters, the comrade has merged and no longer shows up when he is poked into the facts.
                        Here is a direct study of basalt, which this comrade with foam at the mouth demanded
                        Ilmenite basalt
                        https://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/70035.pdf
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 12 December 2017 07: 02 New
      15
      This time, the shooting will be conducted by Indian Bollywood - to make it more fun! Astro-storytellers will sing and dance the entire “flight”, so unnoticed, and they will “land” on the moon to the music! lol
    3. Sail
      Sail 12 December 2017 07: 02 New
      +9
      Quote: Oleg Andreev
      In the Hollywood pavilion?

      And I think that there WAS A MAN on the Moon !!!
      This is not an American,MAN PLANET EARTH!!!
      1. IGOR GORDEEV
        IGOR GORDEEV 12 December 2017 07: 08 New
        +5
        Quote: Segel
        And I think that there WAS A MAN on the Moon !!!

        Are the stars in this beautiful photo retouched? Although it seems like a pair of dots peeps against a black background on the left.
        1. AnpeL
          AnpeL 12 December 2017 07: 18 New
          +9
          And I think that there WAS A MAN on the Moon !!!

          It’s possible that it was, but astronauts of America are unlikely. But "Taki" may still have been.
          1. novel66
            novel66 12 December 2017 09: 27 New
            +4
            the Atlanteans were definitely - any esoteric will tell you this
        2. verner1967
          verner1967 12 December 2017 07: 31 New
          +8
          Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
          Are the stars in this beautiful photo retouched?

          if you had an elementary idea of ​​a photo, you should have understood that if there was such a powerful background light source as the Earth, the camera would not be able to “see” the stars. It’s even strange that
          Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
          a pair of dots peeks over a black background to the left.
          1. Alone
            Alone 12 December 2017 08: 00 New
            +9
            The basic idea of ​​a photo in a vacuum, where there is no scattering, does not work. Also, the Earth is a weak source of background light. It is only in the form of a reflector of sunlight.
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 12 December 2017 08: 06 New
              +7
              Quote: Alone
              Also, the Earth is a weak source of background light; it is only in the form of a reflector of sunlight.

              you just made a discovery of universal scale !!! Immediately for the Nobel Prize !!!
              Have you tried on a clear moonlit night to look at the moon at its zenith? Eyes in the dark hurt. And the earth is even bigger than the moon. There is nothing to do with scattering, the photo sensor adapts to the brightest object, the stars are not visible against its background. Do not confuse with the human eye.
              1. grandson of Perun
                grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 11: 01 New
                +5
                Quote: verner1967
                Have you tried on a clear moonlit night to look at the moon at its zenith?

                Alone clearly told you: in a vacuum there is NO light scattering. And you again about the "clear moonlit night" ...
                Our astronauts say that the stars become visible already at a distance of several angular minutes from the CROWN OF THE SUN. And this is that "background illumination."
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 12 December 2017 13: 12 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Perun's grandson
                  Our astronauts say that stars become visible

                  Visible by whom? Astronauts? I do not argue, only this does not apply to photocells
                  1. grandson of Perun
                    grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 17: 51 New
                    +2
                    1. Scattering on the eye and on the solar cells affects the same.
                    2. The Yankees have no stars on all photo, without a globe in the background including.
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 12 December 2017 19: 35 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Perun's grandson
                      Scattering on the eye and on solar cells affects the same.

                      photocell scattering also affects moonlight on telegraph pole growth
                      1. grandson of Perun
                        grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 21: 08 New
                        +3
                        Well, yes, the laws of optics for photocells are special wink
                2. verner1967
                  verner1967 13 December 2017 07: 30 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Perun's grandson
                  Our astronauts say that the stars become visible already at a distance of several angular minutes from the CROWN OF THE SUN. And this is that "background illumination."

                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 13 December 2017 07: 43 New
                    +1
                    Quote: verner1967
                    Our astronauts say that s

                    you see, all our successes in space are also filmed at Mosfilm laughing
                    1. Alone
                      Alone 14 December 2017 17: 56 New
                      +2
                      Found the macro, excellent. Find the micrograph and continue to admire the lack of stars on it.
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 14 December 2017 18: 56 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alone
                        Find the micrograph and continue to admire the lack of stars on it.

                        But essentially?
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        3. PlotnikoffDD
          PlotnikoffDD 12 December 2017 08: 54 New
          +1
          and this photo? An expert can be advised to photograph stars with a brightly lit subject in the foreground. success!
        4. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 12 December 2017 11: 02 New
          +5
          If there were stars, then it would be a fake.
          You can never see stars in such photos.
          1. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 21: 10 New
            +2
            Stars are visible during the day, even in the stratosphere. And even in space - even more so.
      2. nikolaev
        nikolaev 12 December 2017 07: 13 New
        0
        no, this is a descendant of the Black Sea diggers
      3. Severomor
        Severomor 12 December 2017 09: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: Segel
        And I think that there WAS A MAN on the Moon !!!

        Of course it was, but this "man-earth" wrote in a plastic bag .... and he bumped there too.
        And take an interest in what apparatus the Soviet cosmonauts had at that time.
      4. Lycan
        Lycan 12 December 2017 09: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Segel
        And I think that there WAS A MAN on the Moon !!!

        And this is Munchausen!
    4. Chertt
      Chertt 12 December 2017 07: 14 New
      +3
      A good idea. The moon is the perfect place where Trump won't be able to squint too much
      1. dSK
        dSK 12 December 2017 08: 07 New
        +4
        Hello Alexey! Half a century ago, the lunar program was carried out under the direction of the "captive" author of the FAA - Von Braun. Who will they hire now? hi
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 12 December 2017 08: 13 New
          +7
          Hello wink
          I was amused at the institute by the phrase I read - "Father of American Cosmonautics, Werner von Braun"
        2. dSK
          dSK 12 December 2017 08: 13 New
          +2
          We also have news: The Commission of Roscosmos completed the investigation of the causes of the accident of the Soyuz launch vehicle from Vostochny Cosmodrome. "As conveys "Interfax", Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin - the results of the emergency commission will be announced on December 12. In particular, those responsible for the disaster will be named, another commission led by a member of the Interdepartmental Expert Commission on Outer Space and the former head of the Russian Space Agency Yuri Koptev should analyze the degree of control of Roscosmos itself over ensuring the necessary quality in the preparation of launches. Vice Prime Minister said that Koptevskaya "the commission will announce the results later, because it has a broader task."
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2017 08: 08 New
        +2
        Trump: we will create the basis for the subsequent flight to Mars and, possibly, then to many other worlds "
        even GDP sighs ...
      3. novel66
        novel66 12 December 2017 09: 28 New
        +2
        and here I’m not sure - in my opinion, he can do it anywhere
    5. Stas Snezhin
      Stas Snezhin 12 December 2017 08: 38 New
      0
      Dust from the old scenery sweep ..))

      At this pace of narcissism, they get to the point
      that the first man on Earth was created by the Americans ..
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 December 2017 21: 10 New
        +1
        It is not possible to make such huge scenery, in the pictures in the background there are hills of six kilometers long with a black background in height - three kilometers.
    6. demo
      demo 12 December 2017 08: 51 New
      +2
      I thought about that too!
      Now in Hollywood begins a weekly feast.
    7. askme
      askme 12 December 2017 09: 00 New
      0
      It is necessary to chip in the whole world, so that they fly away together and do not return)))
    8. Proxima
      Proxima 12 December 2017 09: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Oleg Andreev
      In the Hollywood pavilion?

      I have one small question for the fans of the “lunar conspiracy”, name at least one specialist in the field of rocket and space subjects who denies the landing of the Americans on the moon? You can’t try, you won’t find them! Okay, God with these spices. Let’s take literate popularizers in this area Lozga - LiveJournal, or we have Opus, which in my opinion also works in the specialty. Believe me, they give a report about what they write. And they are silent!
      Ignorance of the topic gives rise to ignorance!
      As for the pavilion shootings, they were, are and will always be “there” and with us fellow
      Here is also a pavilion shooting (Stalin's speech at the Parade on November 7, 1941). So what? No one denies that this was not!
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 12 December 2017 10: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Proxima
        me to the fans of the "lunar conspiracy" one small question, name at least one specialist in the field of rocket and space subjects who denies the landing of the Americans on the moon?

        I’ll ask you, why isn’t they using now such a successful Saturn-5 rocket that brought the Americans to the moon?
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 12 December 2017 10: 41 New
          +4
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Proxima
          me to the fans of the "lunar conspiracy" one small question, name at least one specialist in the field of rocket and space subjects who denies the landing of the Americans on the moon?

          I’ll ask you, why isn’t they using now such a successful Saturn-5 rocket that brought the Americans to the moon?

          It’s the same that I’m asking you a question, why aren’t they using now such a successful Energia rocket that launched the Buran into orbit?
          1. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 11: 08 New
            +5
            "Energies" do not start because the production chain from production has been destroyed.
            However, all manufactured Energies flew into space.
            Now I repeat the question about Saturn 5: Why did the Yankees send the few remaining unique Saturn characteristics to museums? Why suddenly such a waste?
            1. Proxima
              Proxima 12 December 2017 11: 30 New
              +5
              Quote: Perun's grandson
              "Energies" do not start because the production chain from production has been destroyed.
              However, all manufactured Energies flew into space.
              Now I repeat the question about Saturn 5: Why did the Yankees send the few remaining unique Saturn characteristics to museums? Why suddenly such a waste?

              Why waste? Do you know how much a manned (with landing) mission to the moon costs? A manufactured Saturn is just a fraction of the cost! Only manned missions - 15 (!!!) 6 of them with the landing on the moon! Plus, the launch of the 77-ton SkyLab station. Is this not enough?
              1. zoolu350
                zoolu350 12 December 2017 13: 57 New
                +3
                Few. The F-1 engine proved to be powerful and, most importantly, reliable for the manned space program (the ancient RD-107s still fly with us), but it was used only on the Saturn-5 LV, although it could easily be used to create a cheap middle-class LV ( such as Zenit LV), which was not a competitor to the Space Shuttle heavy-class rocket launcher.
              2. grandson of Perun
                grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 17: 06 New
                +3
                Quote: Proxima
                Why waste?

                Because the F1 engine is difficult to manufacture and very expensive. The remaining engines (provided that they are actually in demand) could lie down mothballed in the warehouse, and then remove the multi-ton load. There was a need for such launches. However, the Yankees did not find a better use for expensive engines with unrivaled performance than to send to museums. Such wastefulness of the pragmatic Yankees is suggestive.
            2. ALEX_SHTURMAN
              ALEX_SHTURMAN 12 December 2017 12: 52 New
              +2
              What are all the energies? Do you even know how many launches there were Energy Launchers? There were only 2 .. The first with a mass-dimensional layout, the second with a Buran ...
              1. grandson of Perun
                grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 17: 34 New
                +4
                Energy: both successful, and both with payload.
                Saturn 5: first two test launches. Both are unsuccessful. The problem with momentum and longitudinal ripple.
                And then opa, and the crew is planted in such a problem rocket. Or they say they put a crew.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 12 December 2017 13: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: Proxima
            It’s the same that I’m asking you a question, why aren’t they using now such a successful Energia rocket that launched the Buran into orbit?

            And yet, answer with no question to the question, what about Saturn?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 12 December 2017 21: 14 New
              0
              Saturn 5 is now in the museum
    9. RUSS
      RUSS 12 December 2017 10: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Oleg Andreev
      In the Hollywood pavilion?

      There is a good series of reports about this fake - “Flight to the Moon”, in Alexey Pushkov’s broadcast “Postscript” on TVC
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 12 December 2017 11: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Oleg Andreev
        In the Hollywood pavilion?

        There is a good series of reports about this fake - “Flight to the Moon”, in Alexey Pushkov’s broadcast “Postscript” on TVC

        Who is the cannons? They also found me a specialist laughing . It says, for example, about Trump's adviser on science (this is not in such a position No. ), David Gelernter, who allegedly denied the moon landing on Eto, as well as the "exposure of the scam" from his lips composed trolls from the World News Daily Report. But Pushkov this fake shawal fool .
      2. ALEX_SHTURMAN
        ALEX_SHTURMAN 12 December 2017 12: 18 New
        +6
        And you are in the Course that one ring at the opening of the Olympics in Sochi did not open? But on TV they didn’t show that there wasn’t the Olympics now ?! Why don’t you take the idea that the camera could have broken stupidly during the landing or there would have been a problem with the signal, and that the Americans should have missed such a moment for PR for the whole World and not removed for the previously prepared material ??? That with everything they will not cancel the fact of the very flight to the moon! What do you think there is no means of objective control, which our followed the flight? And if there was at least one fact proving their get along, what would the USSR keep silent ?? Maybe present Russia yes, but not the USSR!
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 12 December 2017 14: 00 New
          +1
          Controls recorded only the launch of the spacecraft from the Earth and the launch of the spacecraft to the moon. What did the moon, could not be fixed.
          1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
            ALEX_SHTURMAN 12 December 2017 14: 14 New
            +3
            I worked at RKK Energii for 5 years and talked with people who were during our mission on Amer’s Tsupa, they said that ours were closely monitoring the flight, the radio signal came from the Moon, which they clearly recorded. Also, among specialists and our space alphabets there are no doubters in flight. And people like Leonov I really respect.
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 12 December 2017 14: 18 New
              +1
              The radio signal could go from a place near the moon. And why did the Lunokhod landing sites not coincide with the Apollo landing sites and there would be no questions?
              1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
                ALEX_SHTURMAN 12 December 2017 14: 42 New
                +1
                So yourself and ask yourself the question: if the USSR wanted to prove that the Americans were not on the moon, then it probably landed Lunakhody in that place and the whole world would get away. And so why, once again publicize the Americans, the Lunokhods had their own mission and quite successful! http://galspace.spb.ru/nature.file/08099.html here are photos of the landing sites made by Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.
                1. zoolu350
                  zoolu350 12 December 2017 14: 50 New
                  +1
                  So there was some sort of conspiracy. And the fact that they drew in the program of the mattress satellite does not interest me. Only if Chinese Chanye confirms.
                  1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
                    ALEX_SHTURMAN 12 December 2017 15: 26 New
                    +4
                    The USSR was not afraid to shoot down American planes in the sky over Korea, ram American warships, cut out Amer special forces in the jungles of Vietnam and hijack them above the secret Apaches. And then he conspired? Sorry, but conspiracy theories don't interest me either ..
                    1. the lord
                      the lord 18 December 2017 01: 03 New
                      0
                      Isn't it too expensive to expose amers by sending a lunar rover? In addition, no one would be able to double-check the inspectors, which means that the Americans could take any version to justify it. Recheck them now.
                      And yet, why did the Americans look crisp after the flights, and not like ours, which they dragged in their arms? And why didn’t they update the lunar program for such a long period of time, because right now there aren’t any people flying to the moon at all. to convey experience
            2. grandson of Perun
              grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 21: 26 New
              +1
              The radio signal could come from the repeater.
              In September 1968, the Yankees were in shock wassat from the side of the moon for six days there was a signal of negotiations between the MCC and the crew flying to the moon. They thought we were already on the moon. It turned out that Popovich and Sevastyanov from the Evpatoria MCC repeat We talked to Moscow through the Zond-4 repeater, which had previously been launched into a lunar orbit.
  2. KOH
    KOH 12 December 2017 06: 58 New
    +3
    Well, it started !!! ...)))), ... and we will hold a chess tournament there ...)))
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 12 December 2017 07: 04 New
      0
      So immediately the next Olympics and doping stronger.
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    3. 210ox
      210ox 12 December 2017 07: 19 New
      +2
      And I'll be back ... at the cinema ... See something fresh .. even let the bullshit ..
      Quote: CON
      Well, it started !!! ...)))), ... and we will hold a chess tournament there ...)))
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 12 December 2017 07: 59 New
        +9
        Hello Dima! hi Than a bullshit to watch, it’s better to clip on this topic:
        1. novel66
          novel66 12 December 2017 09: 29 New
          +5
          big booleans hi So this is a newsreel! script!
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 12 December 2017 09: 34 New
            +6
            Roma, hi! hi And I'm talking about that! I neighing when this clip just went into rotation. And what happened in the American segment of the media and the Internet - this is finally a kapets! lol laughing wassat
            1. novel66
              novel66 12 December 2017 09: 37 New
              +5
              yeah, Germans touched the Americans laughing
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 12 December 2017 09: 41 New
                +5
                I respected Rammstein before, but after this clip my respect for them reached the stratosphere. good
                1. novel66
                  novel66 12 December 2017 09: 45 New
                  +5
                  funny guys noisy
                  1. Jedi
                    Jedi 12 December 2017 09: 50 New
                    +5
                    In Germany, there are enough such funny devils, but not everyone has such fame as Rammstein. And about the noise - the entire pyrotechnic component of their concerts is conducted personally by soloist Til Lindemann. In the past, an Olympic swimmer.
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 12 December 2017 09: 58 New
                      +5
                      didn't even know hi he is so healthy
                2. Baikal
                  Baikal 12 December 2017 11: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Jedi
                  I respected Rammstein before, but after this clip my respect for them reached the stratosphere.


                  You will not deny the ability to choose objects of respect.
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 12 December 2017 06: 59 New
    +9
    Why not all of America at once on the Sun? I give the exclusive right of the Yankees to land directly in the Sun !!!
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 12 December 2017 07: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      I give the exclusive right of the Yankees to land directly in the Sun !!!

      At least on Mercury, it will be closer! But they should be enough!
  4. mamont5
    mamont5 12 December 2017 07: 00 New
    +3
    That's a joy for NASA, how much dough can be cut!
  5. inkass_98
    inkass_98 12 December 2017 07: 08 New
    +6
    Wait and see. It will turn out - well done, only at the same time let the evidence of the previous stay provide. And some here are very nervous:
    Quote: Segel
    And I think that there WAS A MAN on the Moon !!!

    We live in such a time that you can think anything, the right position is to know the truth, and not "think" about it.
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 12 December 2017 07: 32 New
      10
      They all films strangely disappeared)) when asked to give them for examination. Coincidence? I don’t think so. They were not there. This is their bluff. Since the creation of their godless country, their entire foundation has been built on lies. They will continue to idiot about Russian hackers. Spit on everything
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 12 December 2017 07: 36 New
      0
      They showed pictures, the lunar soil was given to the USSR immediately after the first expedition was raised, and so on.
      1. novel66
        novel66 12 December 2017 09: 30 New
        +3
        given. turned out to be fake lol
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 12 December 2017 09: 44 New
          +3
          Our scientists have confirmed that the present and that the United States could not fake.
          Cosirologists just stop from lying can not.
          The soil transferred to the USA is stored in the Cosmonautics Museum at VDNH
          1. novel66
            novel66 12 December 2017 09: 48 New
            +3
            where is 400, four hundred, Karl, kg which they "brought"? a few grams and the automatic station will bring
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 12 December 2017 12: 22 New
              0
              In the US Lunar Soil Storage.
              https://zelenyikot.livejournal.com/83598.html
              1. the lord
                the lord 18 December 2017 01: 10 New
                0
                And in it there is a lunar reserve, they themselves admitted. that netuti))))
          2. novel66
            novel66 12 December 2017 09: 59 New
            +4
            “According to the Associated Press, Dutch experts conducted an analysis of the“ moonstone ”- an item officially donated by the then US Ambassador to the Netherlands, William Middendorf, during a“ goodwill ”visit to the land of astronauts Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin Aldrin after they completed the Apollo 11 mission in 1969.

            The date of presentation of the precious gift is October 9, 1969. After the death of Mr. Dries, a valuable relic, insured for $ 500 thousand, became an exhibit of the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.

            And only now studies of the “moonstone” showed that the US gift officially displayed next to Rembrandt’s canvases turned out to be a simple fake - a piece of petrified wood.

            Employees of the Rijksmuseum plan to keep it in the museum and beyond - however, of course, in a different capacity.

            The still-alive William Middendorf, apparently, became an involuntary accomplice of embarrassment - the most precious relic, symbolizing both the technological power of the United States and the openness of its space program, presented to him at the US State Department. "
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 12 December 2017 12: 25 New
              0
              Of course, there have never been cases of theft with substitution in the world. laughing
              1. the lord
                the lord 18 December 2017 01: 14 New
                0
                Yeah, the current question is, who needs to steal with the substitution? He is not gold, prove it. that it is lunar after many years of being on Earth in no one knows where, it will be difficult to prove. and the value will be insignificant, for it will be considered "dirty".
  6. samarin1969
    samarin1969 12 December 2017 07: 09 New
    +3
    "They do not take in astronauts ..."
    1. Azim77
      Azim77 12 December 2017 07: 39 New
      +2
      The ideal head of state for the United States. Showman is a professional. It will not be boring.
      America! America!
      God shed His grace on thee
  7. nikolaev
    nikolaev 12 December 2017 07: 11 New
    +3
    shooting again in the pavilions, TV series about the unlimited achievements of the USA, new heroes looking into space gave penetrating and wise transgender glances ....
  8. Simon
    Simon 12 December 2017 07: 12 New
    +5
    Yeah! Im to the moon "hand set"- Hollywood at hand, quickly cook up! laughing
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 December 2017 07: 15 New
    +7
    We will go to the moon again
    Why not head off. After all, they “won” in two world wars, though objective historians did not warn about this, they defeated communism, though they forgot about China. Dare Trampushka, the American people will believe everything.
  10. Simon
    Simon 12 December 2017 07: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: Herkulesich
    Why not all of America at once on the Sun? I give the exclusive right of the Yankees to land directly in the Sun !!!

    So, they concoct in Hollywood, as they jumped in the sun and left traces in dirty boots. Then wash off the sun from them from dirty spots. laughing
  11. Simon
    Simon 12 December 2017 07: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: CON
    Well, it started !!! ...)))), ... and we will hold a chess tournament there ...)))

    With lunatics, or something! laughing
  12. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 12 December 2017 07: 19 New
    +6
    Trump: We will go to the moon again
    Only your whole country, please, and ... take England with Ukraine with you! We will be happy!
  13. Simon
    Simon 12 December 2017 07: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Sergey-svs
    Quote: Oleg Andreev
    In the Hollywood pavilion?

    Well, why are you so mocking about our "friends and partners"! request Trump is always responsible for his words, no one dares to refute the veracity of his statements:
    “We are the greatest nation!” Superman dug the Panama Canal, Iron Man made a decisive contribution to our victories in world wars, Rambo brought communism to its knees, and Stanley Kubrick sent our astronauts to the moon. There is little left, Frodo Beggins will soon end the Russian Mordor! good
    PS I agree with everything, but there are two questions:
    1. What kind of bastard stole the magic flask of Pyatr Lyakseyich Poroshenko and gave it to Trump?
    2. Do the Chinese know that their Communist Party is on their knees?
    laughing laughing laughing

    Hmm yes! You asked us a puzzle about Paroshenko’s flask! recourse laughing
    1. nikolaev
      nikolaev 12 December 2017 07: 38 New
      0
      a magic flask - never devastated (probably all the people are working on its replenishment) and will help its owner to give birth to unconventional ingenious ideas regarding the amusement of the surrounding society
  14. Masya masya
    Masya masya 12 December 2017 07: 23 New
    +6
    To the moon on foot?
    1. novel66
      novel66 12 December 2017 09: 32 New
      +3
      Masenka love the kindest! Trump read Jules, ours, Verne. FROM THE GUN !!!
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 12 December 2017 09: 40 New
        +4
        Roman, hi! love
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Trump read Jules, ours, Verne. FROM THE GUN!

        So inspired? Will he really try or will he send the monkey first? lol
        1. novel66
          novel66 12 December 2017 09: 43 New
          +4
          don't say that about Obama, politically incorrect laughing laughing
          1. Masya masya
            Masya masya 12 December 2017 10: 03 New
            +4
            Well, I'm not tolerant! laughing
            1. novel66
              novel66 12 December 2017 10: 19 New
              +3
              you would still call him a black man laughing tongue tongue
              1. Masya masya
                Masya masya 12 December 2017 10: 55 New
                +5
                So it will not rust after me wink love
                1. novel66
                  novel66 12 December 2017 11: 33 New
                  +4
                  for which we appreciate love love love
  15. Foxmara
    Foxmara 12 December 2017 07: 23 New
    +1
    I mean, again ?? belay
  16. novel66
    novel66 12 December 2017 07: 25 New
    +7
    on the motive of the famous dialogue of the features "fly to the moon!" - "Do you have a rocket?" - "Well, then we’ll take it off!"
  17. nikolaev
    nikolaev 12 December 2017 07: 25 New
    0
    preferably forever - among people on planet Earth you cannot live: exceptional ones must be excluded
  18. komvap
    komvap 12 December 2017 07: 29 New
    +3
    Trump knows that they were not there and wants to go down in history as a president in which a person first landed on the moon, and generally went beyond the earth's orbit.
    For his great ambition, this is an ideal option - a great achievement
    especially in contrast with Nixon's crooks
    and covering up this fraud by subsequent presidents,
    especially the frame that somehow eyes (there is a video)
    trump up trump - what
    does he want to become president and
    Does he want to say that there were no flights to the moon.
    He already answered the first joke - he became president.
    He plans to answer the second with deed.
  19. nikolaev
    nikolaev 12 December 2017 07: 31 New
    +1
    and if honestly, then Trump - well done, it became much more fun to live with him - Hollywood with his fantasy is far behind
  20. Pacifist
    Pacifist 12 December 2017 07: 47 New
    +1
    Hollywood will grind anything. No Kubrick, hire Cameron.
  21. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 December 2017 08: 20 New
    +1
    ... the clowning ad continues ... laughing
  22. sergo1914
    sergo1914 12 December 2017 08: 24 New
    +1
    A heavy rocket, a module for flying there, landing, take-off, a return block (in which people will survive), a return flight. Nonsense. two fingers on the asphalt. Or take a chance on the old Apollo?
  23. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 12 December 2017 08: 30 New
    +2
    How many critics came running, and the Americans were not on the moon, and Hollywood, and cut the money ... which just did not write. So can we go back to our sheep, so to speak, to Russia? And look at our space program, not only manned, but also the study of the solar system of the spacecraft. We have great successes and how do we have plans for the future? Nas has a much better chance of re-landing on the moon and exploring Mars than Roscosmos, who does not know whether he will fulfill his plans to land the first Russian astronaut on the moon, is just a dream .... and science doesn’t have to interfere with politics. Any achievements of the USA in space are also the achievements of humanity, to which we all relate.
    1. I am
      I am 12 December 2017 08: 54 New
      +2
      Science was mixed with politics back in the 90s of the last century, when dealers from politics bought and stole Soviet scientific and technical developments in all sectors for nothing. and now they are selling to us under the guise of a new one. And the USSR-was the first in space !!!! Well, Russia will still .. from whiners, parasites, liberalists and businessmen only remains to get rid.
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 12 December 2017 09: 02 New
        +1
        I am, Russia will be the first if the state starts investing in science and education, but this is not. At the moment, space is not interesting to our government, and Roscosmos is constantly transferring its plans, and its state does not indulge in financing .... At this pace, our country in the space race can generally lag behind the USA, China, and there other countries will join in, which invest in science and space exploration. And in 10-20 years we will read with sadness how that one landed there, and Roscosmos will only promise. In general, of course, it is a pity that science of world exploration and politics are mixed. All the same, we are doing one thing, the ISS is an excellent example of international cooperation.
        1. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 11: 16 New
          +1
          Russia is already the first, and this cannot be taken away: the first satellite, the first manned flight, the first docking, the first spacewalk, the first photographs of the back of the moon, the first soil delivered from the moon, the first landing on Venus ..... the list is long.
          And of the high-profile achievements of the United States - "the first man on the moon," of which there are huge doubts.
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 12 December 2017 11: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Perun's grandson
            Russia is already the first, and this cannot be taken away: the first satellite, the first manned flight, the first docking, the first spacewalk, the first photographs of the back of the moon, the first soil delivered from the moon, the first landing on Venus ..... the list is long.
            And of the high-profile achievements of the United States - "the first man on the moon," of which there are huge doubts.


            So no one argues that many discoveries were made by us and that we have something to be proud of, the question is different. History does not stand still, and humanity is moving forward, and new discoveries will be made, but are we? question. Russia has almost launched a study of the SS spacecraft, where NASA and ESA have made tremendous success in the study of planets and satellites. As for the fact that the USA was not on the moon, it is simply not serious to discuss it. There are pictures from the LROC spacecraft, where everything can be found on the network. And the USSR would not play to the tune of the United States, there is a war for discoveries and achievements: capitalism and socialism were serious. And if we had a reason, we would gladly (at that time) dip the United States and others .... but about the fact that the United States has nothing to brag about, you are mistaken. Do you know the Hubble Telescope? Or the Curiosity rover? Huge amounts of money are being spent in the USA on SS research, and we were completely circumvented here.
            1. grandson of Perun
              grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 17: 42 New
              +1
              1. Do not exclude the possibility of collusion of the leadership of the USSR and the USA. There is a war in Vietnam, and the states are massively selling grain to the USSR at a price lower than the market, allowing the USSR to build oil pipelines to Europe, selling advanced technologies to the USSR, etc.
              2. Do not forget that neither in the USA nor in the EU there was a "perestroika" and "liberal reforms" that robbed our country and threw it decades ago.
              1. Aleksandr21
                Aleksandr21 12 December 2017 18: 08 New
                0
                Quote: Perun's grandson
                1. Do not exclude the possibility of collusion of the leadership of the USSR and the USA. There is a war in Vietnam, and the states are massively selling grain to the USSR at a price lower than the market, allowing the USSR to build oil pipelines to Europe, selling advanced technologies to the USSR, etc.
                2. Do not forget that neither in the USA nor in the EU there was a "perestroika" and "liberal reforms" that robbed our country and threw it decades ago.


                At that time, there was a confrontation between the two global systems, and everyone tried to show that his system is better, and to give such an achievement, comparable to the flight of the first person into Space xs, but these are all theories, but we must look at the facts. In 2009, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter took pictures of the Apollo landing 11,12,14,15, 16,17 where everything is clearly shown, the network and the NASA website are full of images. The same pictures were taken by the Indian probe “Chandrayan-1” in fact, there is a lot of evidence, just if a person does not want to see them, then he will deny it under any pretext.

                ““ Studying the indignation on the lunar surface, “Chandrayan-1” discovered traces of Apollo 15 being on the moon. In addition, the traces of the lunar car used by astronauts moving on the moon are visible in the pictures, ”said Shauhan. newspaper ru source.
                1. grandson of Perun
                  grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 18: 40 New
                  +1
                  I already wrote about the possibility of conspiracy that they did not give the victory, but sold it. And for expensive. In the midst of the Vietnam War, buns from the United States suddenly rained down on the USSR. Why all of a sudden?
                  By the way, newspaper.ru is another source of reliable information.
                  1. Aleksandr21
                    Aleksandr21 12 December 2017 18: 55 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Perun's grandson
                    I already wrote about the possibility of conspiracy that they did not give the victory, but sold it. And for expensive. In the midst of the Vietnam War, buns from the United States suddenly rained down on the USSR. Why all of a sudden?
                    By the way, newspaper.ru is another source of reliable information.


                    What does the newspaper ru have to do with it, they just printed an article about the images from the Indian probe “Chandrayan-1, it turns out that you don’t believe the Indians either?” About Americans, I generally keep quiet)
                    1. grandson of Perun
                      grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 21: 40 New
                      +2
                      Here is a photo:

                      It can be seen that something was squandered, 200 meters passed and remained there (indicated in the photo as "scientific instruments").
                      If you photograph the landing site of the Lunokhod in the same resolution, you get exactly the same photo. The fact that there were people, she does not prove.
          2. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth 12 December 2017 11: 39 New
            0
            There is also the first flight past the gas giants, the mission of Pluto, the first spacecraft to leave the solar system, and much more, but Nasa rightly considers this to be the achievements of mankind.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 12 December 2017 21: 17 New
            0
            The first space shuttle ship. And dozens of missions on the solar system.
            1. grandson of Perun
              grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 23: 12 New
              +2
              The first reusable ones were still our BOR-3 and BOR-4 - Spiral’s heirs. And this despite the fact that the Politburo was not interested in this project. Although the Yankees began to design their Dyna Soar before our Spiral.
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  24. Eurodav
    Eurodav 12 December 2017 08: 34 New
    +1
    Hurry already !!! And forever!!!
  25. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 12 December 2017 08: 42 New
    +6
    I paraphrase the famous phrase: Filming movies - do not toss bags.
  26. Eurodav
    Eurodav 12 December 2017 08: 43 New
    +3
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    How many critics came running, and the Americans were not on the moon, and Hollywood, and cut the money ... which just did not write. So can we go back to our sheep, so to speak, to Russia? And look at our space program, not only manned, but also the study of the solar system of the spacecraft. We have great successes and how do we have plans for the future? Nas has a much better chance of re-landing on the moon and exploring Mars than Roscosmos, who does not know whether he will fulfill his plans to land the first Russian astronaut on the moon, is just a dream .... and science doesn’t have to interfere with politics. Any achievements of the USA in space are also the achievements of humanity, to which we all relate.

    What are you speaking about? What kind of close "re" are you talking about? If it were necessary to land, ours would already land! And what would they discover? No sign of Armstrong? Do you know what would happen after the facts of lunar deception were presented to the world? And I don’t know, but it would be very serious ... Therefore, for now there is, as it is ... Buran, why did they cover up so quickly? Does the cosmos telescope fly? Does he see the place of the notorious "landing"? And often this place with the remaining traces is shown to people in the world?
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 12 December 2017 09: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Evrodav

      What are you speaking about? What kind of close "re" are you talking about? If it were necessary to land, ours would already land! And what would they discover? No sign of Armstrong? Do you know what would happen after the facts of lunar deception were presented to the world? And I don’t know, but it would be very serious ... Therefore, for now there is, as it is ... Buran, why did they cover up so quickly? Does the cosmos telescope fly? Does he see the place of the notorious "landing"? And often this place with the remaining traces is shown to people in the world?


      What would ours land on? You looked at the plans of Roscosmos, and when is it planned to land on the moon, an astronaut? Do you think ours would not want to go to the moon today if they had such an opportunity? It’s necessary to understand at least a little bit about the topic you are writing about. About the fact that the Americans were not on the moon, it’s not even serious to discuss, our astronauts confirmed the landing of the United States on the moon, the GDP also confirmed that the United States landed on the moon, the USSR in the end also monitored the landing of the astronauts on the moon .... what else do you need do you need to confirm? There are powerful telescopes from which you can see footprints in the sand, there are spacecraft that photographed these tracks, so this is not a matter of faith.

      Read on this topic: https: // birdinflight.com/en/mir/hvatit-vrat-novye-foto-vy
      sadki-na-lune.html
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 12 December 2017 10: 11 New
        0
        As for telescopes, I probably got excited (the atmosphere is in the way) and the resolution should be too big, but LROC KA really took these pictures.
      2. grandson of Perun
        grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 18: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        SSR in the end also monitored the astronauts landing on the moon

        Just do not about the "monitor." They wanted to monitor, yes. Here are just a few:
        1. The Yankees did not provide the flight paths of the Apollo (although ours were always informed in advance so that the doubters could trace)
        2. In addition, the Yankees in every way interfered with monitoring, including electronic warfare. Read about the operation "Crossroads"
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 12 December 2017 19: 00 New
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          Quote: Perun's grandson

          Just do not about the "monitor." They wanted to monitor, yes. Here are just a few:
          1. The Yankees did not provide the flight paths of the Apollo (although ours were always informed in advance so that the doubters could trace)
          2. In addition, the Yankees in every way interfered with monitoring, including electronic warfare. Read about the operation "Crossroads"


          There are different opinions, I agree with optics, but with radio signals there is such an opinion:

          "Konstantin Feoktistov, pilot-cosmonaut of the USSR, Hero of the Soviet Union, Doctor of Technical Sciences, professor; the first designer of spaceships who had the chance to try his brainchild" in action ":

          ... When Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins flew to the Moon, our receiving radios received signals from the Apollo 11, conversations, a television picture about the surface of the Moon. Arranging such a hoax is probably no less difficult than a real expedition. To do this, it would be necessary to land a television repeater on the lunar surface in advance and test its operation (with transmission to Earth) again in advance. And in the days of the expedition simulation, it was necessary to send a radio relay to the moon to simulate the Apollo radio communication with the Earth on the flight path to the moon. And they did not hide the scale of work on the Apollo. And what they showed me in Houston in 1969 (Control Center, stands, laboratories), Los Angeles manufacturing plants for the Apollo ships and descent vehicles that returned to Earth should have been an imitation by this logic ?! Too complicated and too funny. "
          1. MadCat
            MadCat 12 December 2017 20: 20 New
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            Quote: Aleksandr21
            ... When Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins flew to the Moon, our receiving radios received signals from the Apollo 11, conversations, a television picture about the surface of the Moon. Arranging such a hoax is probably no less difficult than a real expedition. To do this, it would be necessary to land a television repeater on the lunar surface in advance and test its operation (with transmission to Earth) again in advance. And in the days of the expedition simulation, it was necessary to send a radio relay to the moon to simulate the Apollo radio communication with the Earth on the flight path to the moon. And they did not hide the scale of work on the Apollo. And what they showed me in Houston in 1969 (Control Center, stands, laboratories), Los Angeles manufacturing plants for the Apollo ships and descent vehicles that returned to Earth should have been an imitation by this logic ?! Too complicated and too funny. "

            You will be able to prove something to a person who is ready to perceive information, fanatics, supporters of conspiracy theories are akin to religious orthodox fanatics. They believe everything, nothing more.
          2. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 13 December 2017 10: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: Aleksandr21
            To do this, it would be necessary to land a television repeater on the lunar surface in advance and test its operation (with transmission to Earth) again in advance. And in the days of the expedition simulation, it was necessary to send a radio relay to the moon to simulate the Apollo radio communication with the Earth on the flight path to the moon.

            Just the facts, without any hint of a "conspiracy theory," NASA lawyers like to label it:
            1. The first "Surveyor" the Yankees successfully landed in 1966 and continued to launch them for several more years.
            Corner reflectors stood on them (that is, it is not necessary to send people to install them).
            They were equipped with receivers and transmitters, including television (that is, there was a basis for relaying).
            2. In September 1968, relaying from the lunar orbit through our "Sonde-6" talks of the "crew flying to the Moon" composed of Popovich and Sevastyanov from the Evpatoria MCC to Moscow was conducted for 4 days. The Yankees were shocked and really thought they were flying to the moon.
            If we successfully relayed in 1968, then what prevented the Yankees from doing the same in 1969.
  27. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 12 December 2017 08: 52 New
    +1
    The lunar landscape has already been prepared in one of the pavilions in Hollywood ....
  28. Naum
    Naum 12 December 2017 08: 57 New
    +1
    Again, in the "Lunar Pavilion" they will shoot "the landing will be?"))) But Stanley Kubrick is already gone ... Pay attention to the American flag in the picture - its upper part clearly lies on a horizontal rail, and the lower one hangs freely))
  29. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 12 December 2017 09: 03 New
    +2
    Apparently a new pavilion designed.
    1. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 11: 20 New
      +2
      Come on, a pavilion, a pavilion ... They will draw on the computer, and without jambs in the form of a flag in a draft, shadows from several light sources and reflections of the operator without a spacesuit.
  30. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 12 December 2017 09: 16 New
    +1
    Is it that they already managed to build a new (space) pavilion, with the latest technology and took into account all the previous comments and criticism?
  31. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 12 December 2017 09: 24 New
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    Trump: We will go to the moon again

    If this is said on a hairdryer, then we are “behind” with both hands. laughing laughing laughing
  32. Nemesis
    Nemesis 12 December 2017 09: 25 New
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    Hope everyone and forever ...
  33. Romanenko
    Romanenko 12 December 2017 09: 27 New
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    Quote: "Trump: We will go to the moon again"
    Bon voyage, Donald! Take Hillary and McCain with you, do not forget, and the list of our candidates for dispatch will be provided a month before departure)))))
    It’s true that I can’t miss you ...
  34. Colleague
    Colleague 12 December 2017 09: 34 New
    +3
    More than others, they were delighted with Trump’s decision at NASA, as they understand that additional funding can go to NASA from the US state budget.
    And HOW HAPPENED IN HOLLYWOOD !!!!! Ahahaha
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 12 December 2017 10: 14 New
      +3
      Almost all the knowledge about space that we are currently gaining is NASA's work. And it is very good that they will increase funding. Large budgets helped send a man to the moon, and now they will help to gain a foothold there.
  35. MadCat
    MadCat 12 December 2017 09: 34 New
    +4
    Is it already taught in schools that there were no Americans on the moon? Where so much from * from * to? request
    It would be better if this enthusiasm was directed to the struggle for an increase in the salary for engineers and astronauts, otherwise soon no one would want to work there.
    1. the lord
      the lord 18 December 2017 01: 26 New
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      And a method, ali a schema which we will not draw, how to fight for an increase in the salaries of engineers and cosmonauts, is a good citizen? And then we are not here in the subject)))))
      And would you name the astronaut’s hfamilia that right now he practices flights to the moon? And if you suddenly can’t, answer, why so?
  36. omit
    omit 12 December 2017 09: 41 New
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    Well, what happened, children? Some kind of sour joy in you. Did not expect from Trampushki? Have to catch up!
    1. Felix
      Felix 12 December 2017 10: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: omit
      Well, what happened, children? Some kind of sour joy in you. Did not expect from Trampushki? Have to catch up!

      What to catch up with? Promises?
      1. Scalpel
        Scalpel 12 December 2017 10: 30 New
        +1
        Well, Rogozin will probably fart something in return.
        1. the lord
          the lord 18 December 2017 01: 28 New
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          Why should you be like him? He is a solid man, he’s not keen on climbing a palm tree ....
  37. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 12 December 2017 09: 49 New
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    But what a big war is being postponed while a public debt needs to be written off somewhere. So write off their trillions to the moon.
  38. K-50
    K-50 12 December 2017 09: 50 New
    +2
    Trump: We will go to the moon again

    On a trampoline? belay
    Nah, don't jump. request laughing
  39. Felix
    Felix 12 December 2017 10: 13 New
    +1
    Trump: We will go to the moon again

    And preferably all 52 states.
    1. Oznob
      Oznob 12 December 2017 10: 30 New
      +1
      Straight ear cut. Even a thought slipped through "maybe he is hinting at sending by means of North Korea?"
  40. Sergey53
    Sergey53 12 December 2017 11: 21 New
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    When will you start shooting? Tell me?
  41. ALEX_SHTURMAN
    ALEX_SHTURMAN 12 December 2017 11: 54 New
    +7
    You can laugh at the Americans as much as you like, but the fact remains: they were on the moon and our respected cosmonauts such as Leonov Aleksey Arkhipovich do not doubt it. Mars rovers launched in 2003 still operate 55 million km from the planet Earth, for 15 years !!!. Voyager the farthest vehicle launched by the Americans has retired 18 billion km 40 years on the road. And with him is still in touch! You can laugh at the Mask, that it is a soap bubble, but what he has already done is the automatic landing of the first stage on a platform that hangs on the waves in the ocean, this is not an unsurpassed success! It may be enough to laugh at the Americans, but you need to look closely at what is being done in the field of Cosmos, where billions of rubles go for the construction of a new Cosmodrome: 2 launches in two years, one of them is completely failed and, as always, no one is responsible for anything! Mission Phobos-ground failed, or rather drowned. The Federation ship so loudly declared so far exists only in the layout. Missiles new under it No! All that is now is all created 56 years ago, by Sergey Pavlovich Korolev from scratch after the war of 1945, but what have we created now, will we take from 2000 for 18 years? They still can’t run MLM, it will soon be like 20 years old, it is gathering dust in the workshop, and the launch dates are all postponed and postponed ..
    1. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 16: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
      You can laugh at the Americans as much as you like, but the fact remains: they were on the moon and our respected cosmonauts such as Leonov Aleksey Arkhipovich do not doubt it.

      Of our astronauts, Leonov is the only NASA attorney.
      But do not forget that Leonov is an interested person. It was Leonov who was the commander of the Union-19, which, according to legend, docked with the immense Apollo under the EPAS program.
      Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
      Mars rovers launched in 2003 are still operating 55 million km from the planet Earth, for 15 years !!!

      And what do robots have to do with the possibility manned flights? Robots are more resistant to overloads and radiation, robots do not need a heavy life-support system.
      Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
      Voyager the farthest vehicle launched by the Americans has retired 18 billion km 40 years on the road. And with him is still in touch!

      I am tormented by suspicions that, in addition to maintaining communication, Voyager is no longer capable of anything after 40 years of exposure. As far as I know, Voyager's electronics are not at all inside a lead container.
      Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
      You can laugh at the Mask, that it is a soap bubble, but what he has already done is the automatic landing of the first stage on a platform that hangs on the waves in the ocean, this is not an unsurpassed success!

      Planted. And for what? The cost of additional fuel and post-flight training is much greater than the benefits of reusability.
      Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
      It may be enough to laugh at the Americans, but you need to look closely at what is being done in the field of space, where billions of rubles go ...

      Firstly, all our space achievements are honest, and no one even tries to challenge them. Unlike...
      Secondly, we have a cosmodrome at the exit, but what about the Yankees from the billions of dollars spent on the Apollo program?
      1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
        ALEX_SHTURMAN 12 December 2017 17: 26 New
        +1
        If you do not respect the hero of the Soviet Union Alexei Arkhipovich Leonov, I have nothing to talk about with you and I cited him as an example as one of the first to see everything with my own eyes. Nobody hear, none of our cosmonauts expressed doubts about the landing of the Americans. I’m not an Amer’s lawyer, I just don’t like hatred and the RenTV channel. About Mask, I’ll tell you this: if you are interested in rockets you should know that parachutes are only functional in a dense environment, but for example in a discharged atmosphere of Mars, they will no longer be effective, so this technology is very interesting.
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 12 December 2017 17: 32 New
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          Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
          if you are interested in rockets you should know that parachutes are only functional in a dense environment, but for example in a discharged atmosphere of Mars, they will no longer be effective,


          When landing rovers on Mars, parachutes are used.
          1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
            ALEX_SHTURMAN 12 December 2017 17: 42 New
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            Seriously??? Only at the initial stage of parachutes, but the presentation is not at all with parachutes ...
        2. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 14 December 2017 14: 49 New
          +1
          What do I respect here - I do not respect Alexei Arkhipovich. Incidentally, he was an officer and probably gave the corresponding subscriptions. Therefore, he says what is due to him, and not a gag.
          I won’t say anything about astronauts, I didn’t communicate. But professional rocket launchers back in the 70s (that is, immediately after the "flights to the moon") said that it was bullshit, and cited facts.
          By the way, in the 70s there was no Internet yet, and talk about the inconsistency of the F1 characteristics with the declared ones, the deadly radiation in the Van Allen belts, the incredible unluckiness of flying on an unexperienced complex, which also had a bad reputation until 1969 - all this is our specialists in the 70s they said.
  42. bsk_una
    bsk_una 12 December 2017 11: 55 New
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    They have matured, now they will prepare thoroughly so that the mosquito does not undermine the nose. But how could it be otherwise, a puncture about flying to the moon or where else will come out again! Hollywood is ready to fly !!! Hooray!!!
  43. Bronevick
    Bronevick 12 December 2017 11: 56 New
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    I mean again?
  44. rocket757
    rocket757 12 December 2017 12: 10 New
    +3
    If they visit there again, inherit, we will never know the truth - is there life on Mar .... were they on the moon or not!
  45. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 12 December 2017 13: 27 New
    0
    The film "Americans on the Moon" is soon in all theaters in the world in 5D format !!!
  46. 1536
    1536 12 December 2017 13: 31 New
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    Flight to the Moon is, first of all, the development of technologies, industry, new scientific ideas, problems and ways to solve them. And the Americans will fly, perhaps with the Chinese, but certainly without us, but they will certainly fly.
    And here we have another “perestroika” that makes the enterprises of our unfortunate space agency make money, engineers, they say, “you see, comrades”? A Midsummer Night's Dream, they say. Aw, "new thinking," appear!
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 12 December 2017 13: 35 New
      0
      The Russians seem to have jumped on the outgoing train faster than the Chinese:
      https://www.roscosmos.ru/24136/
  47. 1536
    1536 12 December 2017 13: 37 New
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    Quote: Ronald Reagan
    https://www.roscosmos.ru/24136/

    Yeah, it doesn’t go beyond buying tickets.
  48. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 12 December 2017 13: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Of course, there have never been cases of theft with substitution in the world. laughing

    Yes, no one expected such a blatant substitution from the USA, and therefore they insured a robust one. But in general, replacing one with another is US state policy, for example, the defeat of ISIS in Syria is exclusively their business, and the Russian Federation only prevented them (from destroying Assad)! And it turns out that the USA and ISIS are blood brothers, and yes they are tied with the blood of the inhabitants of Syria and Iraq!
    It is hoped that replacing the truth with their lies will save them from the pit dug by themselves. Blind people and fools who do not see beyond their nose, but you can continue to firmly believe in their "Christmas tales"!
  49. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 12 December 2017 14: 16 New
    +4
    Then piss off. Let everyone wind up there and not return.

    But seriously, they kind of restore the production of F-1. We will see.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 December 2017 21: 22 New
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      They restored the production of the RS 25 engine and TNA from F 1 - for the super-heavy SLS rocket.
  50. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 12 December 2017 15: 58 New
    +4
    Quote: meGrail
    As always, supporters of conspiracy theory do not cite a single reference to any source, but only some unsubstantiated statements, and if you yourself begin to look for where these statements come from, then the source will be any yellow newspaper or ReN-TV movie .

    As always, NASA attorneys have an identity shift instead of arguments. Apparently because there is nothing to object to the case ...
    Quote: meGrail
    And what will the yield strength of the alloy give you? Neither I, nor I am sure, will be able to calculate the operation parameters of such an engine ...

    Well, they found out which of us skipped physics at school.
    The yield strength can determine the efficiency of the combustion chamber. Because the temperature and pressure for the claimed traction are known. So, the possibility of a record traction by NASA lawyers has not been confirmed.
    Further, what is there with suppressing longitudinal pulsations of traction in the huge combustion chamber F1, because of which normal designers are forced to make multi-chamber engines?