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Fugitive thief puts a condition on Russia for the return of capital "home"

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January 1 comes the new year, and new anti-Russian sanctions measures also come into effect. The corresponding document, generated in the bowels of the US Congress and linked to the sanctions against Iran, was previously signed by the American President Donald Trump. The sanctions will affect several major Russian enterprises in the sense that cooperation with them is prohibited for American companies. Rosneft, Gazprom, Lukoil, their subsidiaries and other companies with Russian jurisdiction are on the list. In addition, the States intend to take on representatives of large Russian business and posherstit their accounts in banks in several foreign countries, including offshore companies.


Fugitive thief puts a condition on Russia for the return of capital "home"


The fact that, in the understanding of the United States, their jurisdiction extends to the whole world, at least this fact is indicated by the recent demand of the American special prosecutor Muller from Deutsche Bank about the need for the management of this German structure to disclose the banking secrecy of one of its clients. This client is US President Donald Trump. Special Prosecutor Muller calls for data on transfers to Trump’s accounts in order to “check these transfers for possible involvement in funding through the presidential campaign.” First of all, this is, of course, a search for ties with Russia.

And if the United States requires the US to open data on the accounts of the American president, then it can be assumed that obtaining data on the foreign accounts of the Russian oligarchy (even the “business community”) for the American machine is unlikely to become an unsolvable task. And there is no fundamental importance for the United States - wool accounts in the classical banking sectors or in offshore "harbors", which obviously cease to be quiet. The hands of "democracy" will reach anywhere.

As it turns out, the information that the United States can really “go through” the accounts of Russian oligarchs, including fugitives, did not go unnoticed by the “heroes of the occasion”. Persons who at one time welded billions against the background of access to the Russian budget and managed to bring these billions abroad, are forced to fuss. Indeed, on the one hand, one can call oneself “political refugees”, but on the other hand one has to realize that even with such a status, one can lose overnight “overworked” billions. No one in the United States will particularly understand: how many points a businessman from Russia with capital in offshore zones is loyal to the current president of Russia, and how much is not loyal. The situation with Cyprus of several years ago, when funds of at least 5 billion dollars were written off from the accounts of Russian “large investors”, makes it clear that in the current period of time the situation may turn out to be even tougher to the very same holders of large sums from among Russian businessmen . If the reason was found then it is now still easier: any withdrawal will be explained by the need to comply with the sanctions regime.

So ... Money bags are itching. And their reaction was announced last week. The reaction is very original. As reported by the news agency "Reedus" With reference to sources, the richest Russians, who keep their funds outside the Russian Federation, made a proposal to the Russian government to provide (attention!) financial and legal assistance for the return of funds from abroad to Russia.

The meaning is this: we will return the billions exported to the “home” earlier, and you will give us a) promise their immunity guaranteed, b) our immunity guaranteed (these same businessmen), c) complete anonymity, d) interest payments from the federal budget beyond the bank payments only for that the funds will be in Russia.

Well ... What is it? ..

Information of this kind is actually confirmed by a person who declared himself the future presidential candidate Boris Titov (who is also a defender of the rights of the Russian business community). Titov sent the president a list of runaway businessmen hiding along with billions from Russian justice in Foggy Albion. These people are reportedly "would like to return the funds to Russia and return themselves under state security guarantees." And not only safety, but also super-profitability for your loved ones.

That is, the state is offered a deal: you (the state) turn a blind eye to all our economic (criminal) sins, give us an additional percentage of income from the state budget; we (fugitive businessmen) promise to return the funds previously withdrawn from under Russian jurisdiction back to Russia. And we are talking about huge funds that can be about 4% of GDP (and this is at least). For comparison, approximately as much today is stored in the National Wealth Fund (almost 4 trillion rubles or, if in dollar terms, about 65 billion dollars).

In other words, the government is offered to finance the return of “dirty” money, turning it into “clean” money - at the expense of the Russian budget, that is, at the expense of the Russian taxpayer.

It looks like some kind of phantasmagoria. To request a return plus the closure of criminal cases - in exchange for a refund, which in most cases were stolen from the country, from the people ... But after all, everything is possible. It is possible that the state will make such a deal.

True, the question then arises: what, in fact, is the deal? These funds, which could potentially return, earn on the real economy? They will go to the development of production, machine tools, infrastructure? Judging by the proposals - no. After all, the proposal, I recall, anonymity and safety of funds. That is, the money will be in one of the Russian banks, which will also be subsidized by the state for a dopit rate (from the state budget). And what is the use of the Russian economy (not to mention the reputation of the justice system, which is already far from perfect)? For the banking sector, the proc is there. But the banking sector is not the whole economy.

If we assume that the state is still ready to shelter the “prodigal sons”, fearful reprisals from the West (for example, demands to actively share billions for maintaining the “registration” against the background of the continuation of “denunciation of the Kremlin regime”), then (if the state has a strategy, and the desire to somehow play in the interests and legitimacy), you need to make a counter offer. And this, from which it will be impossible to refuse ... In the "white and fluffy" sense of the word.

Unconditional requirement - since confiscation in Russia is in any way, you understand, it does not work out, just as with the catching of multiply stolen runaway money bags - it means that it is necessary that the funds returned potentially do not lie dead, bringing income only to their owners. Need a compromise. This is for the notorious stolen bag of potato compromises from the state, no need to wait, and here at stake are huge funds and "serious people." That is why once again - everything is possible.

To save face, this state must either simply plant far and for a long time, or retool them into “investors”. Hammer forge.

And there are mechanisms for reworking, especially now - when the USA introduces new sanctions. The argument is simple: you do not want to become “honest investors” in Russia on terms acceptable to Russia, another American prosecutor will come and without unnecessary talk will transfer “your” funds to the needs of the most democratic democracy - all at once!

It turns out that even if such a return to Russia of a "reforged" thief takes place along with the funds previously withdrawn, then again you will have to say thanks to the American sanctions ... But you still have to say thanks to the American sanctions for not having escaped from Russia Now I wondered: where to run if there are no more "safe havens" ...
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  1. Severok
    Severok 12 December 2017 06: 32
    74
    There simply should not be any compromises. Either return the money or let them roll to the hairdryer. By the way, it is high time to block the withdrawal of capital from the country! The further I look at what is happening in "our" state, the more I become convinced that the top of the state is rotten and corrupt through and through. From the prime minister to the last head of the district center.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 12 December 2017 06: 49
      28
      Quote: Severok
      There simply should not be any compromises

      I believe most of the comment will be just that. Or maybe this is the case when it is worth considering. Of course, on favorable conditions for Russia.
      1. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 12 December 2017 07: 28
        42
        Hello!! They gave us some time to think, and the deadline was solid .. Well, they do not want to. Reckon with our problems the flag of these gentlemen. We have a sports official, a respected man, an athlete called Mr. Rodchenkov simply a confused person. Bravo And, what do you want to know about these confused owners of the states that are on the run. Well, with whom doesn’t it happen that a person was mistaken.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 12 December 2017 09: 15
          43
          Quote: igor.borov775
          We have a sports official, a respected man, an athlete called Mr. Rodchenkov simply a confused person. Bravo

          "Serdyukovshchina", "mutkovschina", the complete impunity of the thieving powers that be, the humanity of our "Basmanny" courts, once again emphasizes the pronounced process of decay of power.
          A compromise is always possible, but in this situation it is unacceptable. The money is serious, but if the government goes to the terms of these thieves, it will finally finish off the last hope of the Russian inhabitant.
          But everything is possible with us. It is possible that the state will make such a deal.

          And what is a state? Is it the "people's representatives," the thieving government? Who will make the decision?
          Such provocative offers can do only the weak and the poor! More and more often I recall the Soviet joke about the "upper volta with missiles." hi
          1. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 12 December 2017 12: 07
            31
            The same thieving officials will make the decision. And they will definitely agree to the terms of these thieves, keeping in mind their beloved ones. Moreover, many of these thieves are friends and accomplices.
            So they agree, do not go to a fortuneteller.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 12 December 2017 17: 08
              +6
              Starting January 1 2018, US sanctions will affect several of the largest Russian enterprises in the sense that cooperation with them is prohibited for American companies. The list includes: Rosneft, Gazprom, Lukoil, their subsidiaries and other companies with Russian jurisdiction.
              And we must assume that the largest gas hub in Austria - namely, the gas distributor to Western Europe - is not just exploded right now - before the New Year - allegedly for "technical" reasons!
              It seems that the American special services have tried!
              1. Vladimir16
                Vladimir16 13 December 2017 08: 57
                +2
                Quote: Chertt
                By the way, it is high time to block the withdrawal of capital from the country!

                Quote: Tatiana
                It seems that the American special services have tried!

                Quote: Tula gingerbread
                The same thieving officials will make the decision.

                To the first author - do not buy goods produced outside of Russia and you will stop the export. And if bought, then you will certainly to the wall. Do you want this?
                Young lady, do not stoop to the yellow press.
                And the third speaker and everyone else figure it out for a moment
                - Will you give your money to "thieving officials"? It is the knowledge of our officials that makes us keep money away from bureaucratic lawlessness.
                Capital protection requirements are perfectly adequate.
                And Comrade Volodin is PR for false patriotism. If officials take money from him, what will he do? A priori, all those who have capital abroad are declared thieves and hereinafter. Or Volodin’s money is “clean”, and all the rest stolen?
                Can you ban me? I do not agree with Volodin. wink
                1. Vladimir16
                  Vladimir16 13 December 2017 09: 11
                  +1
                  MOSCOW, June 8. / TASS /. President of Russia Владимир Путин signed a law on the voluntary declaration by citizens of foreign assets and accounts, which allows them to legalize in the Russian Federation without verification by tax and law enforcement agencies.

                  In accordance with the document, the legalization of capital placed abroad in the Russian Federation will be carried out by submitting a declaration of property and deposits. You can declare property, accounts and deposits with the bank, as well as controlled foreign companies owned by the declarant. In addition, the mechanism proposed in the law allows individuals to declare property previously transferred to nominal owners when declaring it.

                  The facts contained in the declaration are subject to the tax secret regime,
                  they can neither become the basis for initiating a criminal case, nor be used as evidence in a criminal case, the law says. Moreover, criminal liability is provided for those tax officials who disseminate this information.
            2. Warrior with machine gun
              Warrior with machine gun 12 December 2017 20: 48
              +6
              I respect Yevgeny Yanovich for overwhelmingly telling the truth to the uterus, whatever it is, his definition of the state as kleptocracy to the very point, and the saddest thing is that the only thing that can change this is if you are stuck with these With impunity for the heads, the thought arises that there are only two ways ahead, or to stop kleptomania (at least for a while), or the clearing in which they kleptomania will be taken from them, they will simply become nothing.
              1. Oleg133
                Oleg133 13 December 2017 06: 30
                +2
                > heads will think that there are only two paths ahead

                They have no two ways.
                What was the idea in late Soviet Moscow? Personally ("family") well-being at all costs.
                This is what we see now. They are all from there
            3. midivan
              midivan 13 December 2017 00: 34
              +3
              Quote: Tula gingerbread
              The same thieving officials will make the decision. And they will definitely agree to the terms of these thieves, keeping in mind their beloved ones. Moreover, many of these thieves are friends and accomplices.
              So they agree, do not go to a fortuneteller.

              I think it’s unlikely that the bureaucrats will decide, it is GDP that should decide, this is his last chance before the elections to really justify the confidence of the population, because in fact the errands have no choice, I would offer such an amnesty in his place (excuse in court, but it is obligatory) of funds and individuals, while they receive half of their "savings", and the rest half to invest in the development of the country, or to work on their own to develop their own business under the law, and eventually, when they earn as much as they invested, withdraw the second half in favor of the state, and then consider these businessmen law-abiding, in general, give them a respite, well, 10 years, I think it's enough to earn money yes This is a real chance to squeeze both of these (which are here) and the GDP I think understands this and already shine with pleasure when thinking about it. Otherwise, the price is worthless to him, if he comes to their proposal, they will simply devour him.
          2. bastard
            bastard 12 December 2017 13: 21
            24
            The last hope of the Russian man in the street was killed when Mrs. Vasilyeva frolic under investigation and after!
          3. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 12 December 2017 14: 32
            15
            Quote: kapitan92
            Serdyukovshchina "," mutkovschina ", the complete impunity of the thieving powers that be, the humanity of our" Basmanny "courts, once again emphasizes the pronounced process of decay of power.

            One would like to ask, whose people are these? Who recommended and appointed them?lol "Whose" slave "will you, I ask!" (Film "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes the Profession")
            Azm, esm, my life! ...... laughing
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 12 December 2017 22: 01
              +4
              Quote: Sovetskiy
              One would like to ask, whose people are these?

              The answer to this question is at the same time the answer to the question raised in the article: will there be a deal with disgraced oligarchs or not. Of course it will be. Only all the conditions of the transaction, we will never know. Some part will be rolled back to the Tsar (no wonder the question arose during the elections) and the state bank will pay interest to these orphans as nice.
              1. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 12 December 2017 22: 12
                +2
                Quote: Hlavaty
                The answer to this question is at the same time the answer to the question raised in the article: will there be a deal with disgraced oligarchs or not.

                That's just the point - they are not "their own" yet. We have abolished our tax service, unlike working pensioners).
                1. Hlavaty
                  Hlavaty 13 December 2017 12: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: Sovetskiy
                  That's just the point - they are not "their own" yet.

                  They just didn’t agree on the rollback size. As soon as they agree and submit, so we will see the show "the return of the prodigal sons."
          4. Macross
            Macross 12 December 2017 17: 47
            0
            First you need to grow power, but only a few have grown, and you can only count on the fingers.
          5. 97110
            97110 12 December 2017 19: 28
            +9
            Quote: kapitan92
            And what is a state?

            This is a tool by which the ruling class pumps profit from the production complex entrusted to it in domination. The class of bourgeoisie is the same in the opinion of the Russian layman. For the layman he has a host of Malachovs and a dog in a box.
          6. gladcu2
            gladcu2 12 December 2017 21: 43
            0
            Only not a Russian inhabitant, but a Russian citizen.
        2. Macross
          Macross 12 December 2017 17: 44
          10
          Here, no matter what the official, the child is with him abroad. So it turns out that the official is a servant of a foreign state.
      2. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 12 December 2017 10: 50
        15
        Quote: Chertt
        Or maybe this is the case when it is worth considering. Of course, on favorable conditions for Russia.

        Conditions should be the same - money to the base to the penny, and then, perhaps, you will live in freedom.
        1. Macross
          Macross 12 December 2017 17: 45
          0
          A la 90s ha exit. would you go out
        2. zoolu350
          zoolu350 13 December 2017 07: 34
          +1
          Or even live, that is, physically exist.
      3. siberalt
        siberalt 12 December 2017 11: 45
        35
        To prevent American jurisdiction from “spreading to the whole world”, it was not necessary to enter it. Nobody forced us to abandon our national bank, join the WTO, recognize the priority of foreign law over national law and allow the export of capital over a hill. Until the system is changed, nothing will change. Yes, only the guarantor of the Constitution on the alert.hi
        1. KBR109
          KBR109 12 December 2017 12: 04
          +9
          Only one nuance. In the full sense of the word, we do not have our own National Bank. So, a certain derivative ...
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 12 December 2017 13: 38
            12
            Colleague, you are mistaken. We don’t have our own national bank, in any sense (at least in full, though not in full). "Our" Central Bank, just a branch of their Fed. And he obediently carries out all the commands from there.
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 12 December 2017 15: 02
              +1
              Sosem is not easy to stop the withdrawal of money from the country. More large oligarchs are exported by ordinary citizens (tourist trips) and migrants.
            2. Said
              Said 12 December 2017 21: 51
              0
              100500 about our national bank
      4. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 12 December 2017 13: 37
        +2
        Paraphrasing the famous animated film: "We don’t have you for nothing and don’t have money with you!"
    2. Login_Off
      Login_Off 12 December 2017 06: 50
      +5
      Read the article carefully.
      1. The requirements are set - from the words it is not clear who.
      2. Titov sent a list of runaway businessmen who are ready to return their money to Russia.
      Where is the direct connection?
      Over the ears drawn conspiracy theory?

      And I’ll add. To attract investment, the state invests a much higher percentage, much more than the Central Bank rate. And by the way, they think not from the Central Bank rate, but from the rate on loans of American debt receipts for 30 years. they are the most stable since the Second World War and are considered the standard. And there is 4% like. Below this, investing is not profitable.
      Now count.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 12 December 2017 07: 04
        16
        Quote: Login_Off
        because they are the most stable since the Second World War and are considered the standard

        And who does not consider them a standard is the enemy of mankind, a tyrant, and he urgently needs to bring democracy. laughing
        1. Login_Off
          Login_Off 12 December 2017 07: 44
          +8
          Because since that time no payment has been delayed. No country can boast of this anymore.
          That's how the payment will be delayed, so we will say.
        2. Vend
          Vend 12 December 2017 09: 08
          +3
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          a) promise their inviolability guaranteed, b) our inviolability (of these same businessmen) guaranteed, c) complete anonymity, d) interest payments from the federal budget over bank payments only for the funds to be in Russia.

          Business believes this is enough for them.
      2. E_V_N
        E_V_N 12 December 2017 15: 53
        +9
        Quote: Login_Off
        Read the article carefully.
        1. The requirements are set - from the words it is not clear who.
        2. Titov sent a list of runaway businessmen who are ready to return their money to Russia.
        Where is the direct connection?
        Over the ears drawn conspiracy theory ?.

        If you are commenting, then be in the know about the events, and not just this article. This news is already a couple of weeks old. Titov said he sent a letter to the GDP at the request of “runaway” oligarchs ready to return capital to Russia on certain conditions. Here is such a connection and no conspiracy theories.

        Quote: Login_Off
        To attract investment, the state invests a much higher percentage, much more than the Central Bank rate.

        As these stupid lamentations about the need for investments and cheap loans for business have already gotten, there will be cheap loans and industry, do you seriously think so? This will not happen, investments will not go into industry if the country does not have a clear economic policy. Why Stalin was able to carry out industrialization, because he did not attract money but bought factories and manufactures, yes, giving everything that they agreed to sell factories and bread, and gold, and paintings. But the end justified the means. And now they are attracting money to banking speculation ... and nothing in industry, and how to raise industry if private oligarchs do not need this from the word at all. There is a simple economic truth. The plant exists only at the expense of loans to the working capital of 100% bankrupt, temporarily delaying its ruin. No sale of your products and loans will not help you and why not increase the production of illiquid assets.
    3. svp67
      svp67 12 December 2017 08: 07
      +5
      Quote: Severok
      There simply should not be any compromises. Either return the money or let them roll to the hairdryer.

      Yes ... they will leave, along with OUR money
      Quote: Severok
      By the way, it is high time to block the withdrawal of capital from the country!

      Even a concrete fence along our entire border will not save from this. We need to become stronger, including financially and economically, so that we would listen to our wishes and opinions
      1. Alf
        Alf 12 December 2017 22: 07
        0
        Quote: svp67
        We must become stronger, including financially and economically, so that we would listen to our wishes and opinions

        And how to do it? If money is exported from the country for the strengthening of which it should work?
        1. svp67
          svp67 13 December 2017 08: 38
          0
          Quote: Alf
          And how to do it?

          It is necessary to make the country more investment attractive ...
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty 13 December 2017 12: 57
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            We must become stronger, including financially and economically, so that we would listen to our wishes and opinions

            Quote: svp67
            It is necessary to make the country more investment attractive ...

            And who exactly should do this? Who do you set the task for?
    4. free
      free 12 December 2017 10: 00
      +6
      No, you need to be smarter, promise everything that they want, and then take it away and hang them .... them ..... on birches!
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 13 December 2017 19: 04
        0
        Quote: free
        No, you need to be smarter, promise everything that they want, and then take it away and hang them .... them ..... on birches!

        Boris! Filatov! Are you reading Military Review?!?!?!
        I didn’t expect to meet here the mayor of Dnepropetrovsk and Kolomoisky’s ally ...
    5. kamski
      kamski 12 December 2017 10: 19
      16
      you want to say that the power that has been stolen must say to itself "RETURN MONEY WITHOUT CONDITIONS OR RIDE TO EDREN VENA" It turns out, following your logic, that all these billions are stolen without the knowledge of the authorities and the participation of the authorities ????
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 12 December 2017 15: 09
        +1
        Exactly. Do you have concrete evidence or just want to blame? There are many who shatter state institutions of power in Russia, for example, the CIA. Are you with them? If not, think before saying.
    6. Sergey824
      Sergey824 12 December 2017 13: 29
      10
      Whoever planted him is a monument. Who will block the withdrawal of capital if, in your opinion, the entire top is rotten through and through? Is that bees versus honey ?!
    7. kiparis
      kiparis 12 December 2017 15: 12
      +2
      Why do you start with the premiere?
    8. Alf
      Alf 12 December 2017 22: 02
      +1
      Quote: Severok
      the top of the state is rotten and corrupt through and through. From the prime minister to the last head of the district center.

      Why from premiere down? And who appointed the prime minister? White and fluffy ? Father of the nation?
    9. Normal ok
      Normal ok 13 December 2017 02: 28
      +2
      Quote: Severok
      There simply should not be any compromises. Either return the money or let them roll to the hairdryer.

      The problem is that the outflow of capital from Russia in 2017 has increased 3 times !!! State funds are squeezed to dryness. Pension - frozen. Therefore, compromise is the only option. And remember: wars (long ago) are won not so much by weapons as by economics. But there is no place for emotions.
    10. horhe48
      horhe48 13 December 2017 07: 05
      +2
      There will be compromises. The truth is not with everyone and not for everyone. You can frown as much as you like and break out in terrible, just words, but the reality, however, is that the entire world credit and financial system (perhaps except for China, the EU) is focused on the dollar and costs on the dollar. In this sense, all national banks (including our Central Bank, including) are only branches of the US Federal Reserve. And our ruble is a derivative of the dollar and a kind of equivalent, showing how many goods and services in dollar terms you can buy with existing you have the number of rubles. Moreover, we have a strict binding of the number of rubles to the available dollars. The Central Bank buys foreign currency from exporters for rubles. You can talk about the fairness of such a system. Periodically in different places of the world, in different countries, financial institutions, etc. attempts are being made to get away from the dollar stranglehold. Surely this will happen sooner or later. But it’s still there. Under conditions when it is impossible to get a loan from Western financial institutions, and the country and enterprises need currency to buy know-how, technology, equipment, therefore that for decades of the so-called "democratic reforms" we have been catastrophically behind in a number of critical technologies, and some have completely lost or do not have at all, money withdrawn from the country would be very useful even illegally. Here is the basis for a compromise. But the state has to set the conditions on its own: We will accept this money and give you indulgence from past affairs only if you act as investors in high-tech industries where we tell you.
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 12 December 2017 06: 34
    37
    Thanks to Trump, our thief pinched over the hill!
    But there is no limit to arrogance at a runaway thief! After all, money was crying - and they are also setting conditions!
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 12 December 2017 06: 56
      16
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      But there is no limit to arrogance at a runaway thief

      Remembering the times of the 90s, I understand that the main harm to the country was done by the President of Russia, and the oligarchs pulled pieces apart. And to whom is AlcoCenter now built,
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      After all, money was crying - and they are also setting conditions!

      Of course, they set conditions, they are hucksters. We need to set conditions favorable to Russia.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 12 December 2017 09: 35
      +5
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Thanks to Trump, our thief pinched over the hill!

      there, it’s just under attack, mainly thieves that we, including the government, are foreign minorities
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 12 December 2017 15: 56
      10
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Thanks to Trump, our thief pinched over the hill!
      But there is no limit to arrogance at a runaway thief! After all, money was crying - and they are also setting conditions!

      Colleague hi You write correctly, we live in the "kingdom of crooked mirrors." It got to the point that we rejoice in the actions of a state hostile to us belay directed precisely against our state, or rather, the leadership.
      But the most tragic thing is in what and where does our “funny” government keep the stabilization fund? wassat .
    4. midivan
      midivan 13 December 2017 01: 08
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      But there is no limit to arrogance at a runaway thief! After all, money was crying - and they are also setting conditions!

      Somehow I was told here I don’t remember who, that the catechism is bullshit and fiction, and that this, if not its vivid manifestation.
  3. Stas157
    Stas157 12 December 2017 06: 37
    27
    . we will return the billions previously exported “home”, and you will a) promise their inviolability guaranteed, b) our inviolability guaranteed (of these same businessmen), c) complete anonymity, d) interest payments from the federal budget over bank payments only for the fact that funds will be in Russia.
    Well ... What is it? ..

    On the one hand - the height of arrogance and shamelessness. And on the other ... quite realistic demands on our liberal government. After all, the oligarchs, they are not semi-intelligent, demand only what they can give! Therefore, I would not be surprised if their unscrupulous demands get approval from the Kremlin. In the end, one gang-watering can, everyone knows each other as flaky, and go already agreed on everything.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 12 December 2017 07: 02
      23
      Quote: Stas157
      one gang

      Yes, agree, and present as a victory over the adversary, who encroached on the most sacred!
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 12 December 2017 07: 05
      11
      Quote: Stas157
      Therefore, I would not be surprised if their unscrupulous demands get approval from the Kremlin. In the end, one gang-watering can, everyone knows each other as flaky, and go already agreed on everything.

      Exactly!
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 12 December 2017 15: 16
        +1
        How many people want to spit in power, undermine state institutions, destroy the state, without any concrete evidence! And how are you different from our traditional enemies - the Anglo-Saxons? Nothing ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 12 December 2017 18: 41
          +7
          Quote: Victor N
          How many people want to spit in power, undermine state institutions, destroy the state without any concrete evidence!

        2. BecmepH
          BecmepH 13 December 2017 05: 46
          +1
          Quote: Victor N
          How many want to spit in power,

          And how much power, with a mockery, as a military pensioner, spits in my soul? But I don’t spit, because I won’t spit it, but say what I see.
          Take off your pink glasses, honey. And if everything suits you in this power, then you are like it (the power) and strip the simple people.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 December 2017 07: 03
    25
    Thieves' money (copyright), which is located abroad in the Russian economy, is not invested, therefore they are not taken into account, therefore the state should be violet on the conditions put forward. There is a desire to return to Russia with the money back, but on terms favorable to the country.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 12 December 2017 10: 42
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      therefore, the state should be purple


      Allow me! And what will power have from this? A specific official what will happen to this? We have this way, so it’s not violet! Just not in the public interest is "not violet"
    2. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 12 December 2017 12: 11
      +3
      The conditions are simple - the money that will prove that you have earned, use it legally, then do not prove it - to the state’s income.
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  6. sa-ag
    sa-ag 12 December 2017 07: 12
    +8
    "... True, the question arises: what is the deal, actually?"
    Well, as it were, the Secret of the Open, the entrance ticket is a billion dollars of donations, you can do more :-)
    This is Ostap Bender at a meeting of "Sword and Oral" practiced, nothing new ...
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 December 2017 07: 43
    +6
    America must be thanked and thanked for these sanctions! But capital will be returned to the country! And they will return on the terms of Putin, not Titov. They can also remove income and offer RUBLE OFZ to buy - on a common basis! Moreover, they left everything about everything - a couple of weeks ... wassat
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 12 December 2017 08: 11
      11
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And they will return on the terms of Putin, not Titov.

      Here it is doubtful, shtoy something. If conditions are set for MOST, then they have power. I think they will fulfill their conditions, and even offer a bonus.
      I don’t intend to argue. Just expressed his opinion.
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 09: 25
      +2
      smile There was such a song before, there are such words: Fantazer, you called me!
    3. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 12 December 2017 11: 03
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      America must be thanked and thanked for these sanctions! But capital will be returned to the country! And they will return on the terms of Putin, not Titov. They can also remove income and offer RUBLE OFZ to buy - on a common basis! Moreover, they left everything about everything - a couple of weeks ... wassat

      Maybe Putin Trump asked to tame the impudent Russian thieves?
  8. moskowit
    moskowit 12 December 2017 07: 45
    14
    "Satan rules the ball there, the ball rules there !!!"
    The height of the insolence of permissiveness and shamelessness ... So this gang considers its counterparts to be equal to itself if it is having a conversation in that tone .... It’s very sad ....
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 12 December 2017 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: moskowit
      So this gang considers its counterparts equal to itself,


      Who are the judges?
  9. Yulaevich
    Yulaevich 12 December 2017 07: 55
    +2
    The reasoning is based on the government’s ability to withdraw money from foreign accounts of oligarchs as having reality. Is there such an opportunity? So Trump and KO will give these funds back. Not for this, sanctions are introduced, illogical
  10. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 12 December 2017 08: 01
    11
    And that everyone was so outraged? The old principle - ask for five, they will give one. May be laughing
  11. Nix1986
    Nix1986 12 December 2017 08: 09
    11
    There is only one promise: fair trial and the right to a lawyer. Otherwise, we will once again be rags and the people will lose their legs and the notorious phrase "stole a bag of potatoes - 5 years, stole a billion - a villa in France" will receive one more confirmation.
  12. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 12 December 2017 08: 11
    11
    Comrades do not understand! That in order to have an umbrella, you need to pay. This on my taxes contains the army and the state apparatus. And I live in my country, not in London. It was me and my son who defended and will defend our country. Why does no one ask me under what conditions we will take this harlot under protection ?.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 12 December 2017 10: 37
      12
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Why does no one ask me under what conditions we will take this harlot under protection ?.

      December 14, you can ask GARANT - galley rower
      1. Alf
        Alf 12 December 2017 22: 11
        +3
        Quote: uskrabut
        December 14, you can ask GARANT - galley rower

        And who said that you can ask the question YOU, not a group of invitees calling from the next room?
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 12 December 2017 08: 26
    12
    This state of thieves to save face must either simply plant
    Just some are appointed thieves, while others are sitting in ministerial chairs. For example, Ulyukaev was a minister, he began to interfere with the appointment of a thief.
    While the thieves among themselves decide which of them is a thief and who endured, the citizens of the country should be violet for their disassembly.
  14. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 12 December 2017 08: 56
    +4
    My eyebrows just moved from such news.
  15. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 09: 21
    +6
    Dear Alexey! I am more than sure that the government will make such a deal, albeit with small reservations!
  16. complete zero
    complete zero 12 December 2017 09: 39
    +4
    Quote: Severok
    There simply should not be any compromises. Either return the money or let them roll to the hairdryer. By the way, it is high time to block the withdrawal of capital from the country! The further I look at what is happening in "our" state, the more I become convinced that the top of the state is rotten and corrupt through and through. From the prime minister to the last head of the district center.

    and so (started with the prime minister?) ... why not ABOVE or do you still believe him?
  17. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 12 December 2017 09: 48
    +3
    The argument is simple: if you don’t want to become “honest investors” in Russia on conditions acceptable to Russia, the next American prosecutor will come and transfer your funds to the needs of the most democratic democracy without further ado - and all at once!
    Well, there is a message from the Yankees, more to the fact that push the oligarchs out, the GDP will not be completely taken away from you either, or they won’t be taken away at all, who have especially distinguished yourself ... stir up the Maidan, or just a “palace coup” ... not only in offshore our thief stores money, but also from all over the world, but decided to do it with ours
  18. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 12 December 2017 09: 59
    +5
    Quote: Severok
    There simply should not be any compromises. Either return the money or let them roll to the hairdryer. By the way, it is high time to block the withdrawal of capital from the country! The further I look at what is happening in "our" state, the more I become convinced that the top of the state is rotten and corrupt through and through. From the prime minister to the last head of the district center.

    Caesar's wife, beyond suspicion?
  19. Rostislav
    Rostislav 12 December 2017 10: 15
    +4
    Yes there are "quiet harbors", do not flatter the author. And thanks to the penguins, it will be not so much Russia as Asia, because now they will not flow into dollars and euros, but into the yuan.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 12 December 2017 10: 33
      +6
      Quote: Rostislav
      Yes there are "quiet harbors"


      Russia is the quietest harbor! Share with whom follows and will be HAPPINESS!
  20. uskrabut
    uskrabut 12 December 2017 10: 32
    14
    "until the big thieves who escaped from Russia now wonder: where to escape if there are no more" quiet harbors ".."
    I already wrote that Russian society is divided into "those who stole" and "those who were robbed". So tell me please, to what part of Russian society are power structures? And why should a large thief run away?
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 12 December 2017 11: 44
      +5
      Quote: uskrabut
      And why should a large thief run away?

      Well, Yevtushenkov was gutted, some will be expropriated from others, the food supply has shrunk, and therefore they will be taken away from the sin further west, but then they waited until they accumulate more and decided to start a business on a planetary scale :-)
  21. Kent0001
    Kent0001 12 December 2017 10: 33
    +1
    It’s impossible to reforging a thief. He has no homeland. That thief besides thieves, still gopniks and often customers of physical elimination of competitors in dashing years. And this is a slightly different topic.
  22. AnpeL
    AnpeL 12 December 2017 10: 43
    +5
    Titov sent the president a list of runaway businessmen hiding with billions from Russian justice in Foggy Albion. These people reportedly “would like to return funds to Russia and return themselves under state security guarantees”

    They themselves were exiled to the island, and survive there yourself.
    I believe that the story with their means will still not benefit Russia, no matter what conditions the fugitives put
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 13 December 2017 01: 28
      +1
      We still have to pay them for what they then hide their acquired in Russia. They’ll just hide it, maybe even for a while. Something like that...
  23. Stepan Kudinov
    Stepan Kudinov 12 December 2017 11: 07
    +2
    And we need it ???????????????????????, so that thieves set the conditions, and even at our expense ?????????????
  24. Bosch
    Bosch 12 December 2017 11: 16
    +7
    The oligarchs have children and grandchildren - citizens of the United States, England and other countries. Money and property located abroad belong to them. And nobody is going to return anything from behind the hill.
    1. SHOCK.
      SHOCK. 12 December 2017 19: 52
      +2
      Quote: Bosch
      The oligarchs have children and grandchildren - citizens of the United States, England and other countries. Money and property located abroad belong to them. And nobody is going to return anything from behind the hill.

      Children and grandchildren fall. But ex-wives, why not.
  25. to you to them
    to you to them 12 December 2017 11: 26
    +7
    Damn them, with that money. I would give my retirement to the Americans if they are confiscated from these not nightmarish. You have to pay for science!
  26. Loess
    Loess 12 December 2017 11: 28
    0
    It turns out that even if such a return of the “reforging” thief to Russia takes place along with the funds withdrawn earlier, then again it will be necessary to say thanks to the American sanctions ... But you still have to say thanks to the American sanctions for the fact that the big thieves have not yet escaped from Russia now I thought: where to run if there are no more "quiet harbors" ..
    A bike will soon appear that Russia is specifically provoking the West to impose more and more sanctions.
  27. afrikanez
    afrikanez 12 December 2017 11: 33
    +2
    Well, if the stolen money is no use now or in the future, then what is the compromise? Well, even if they agree with the conditions, it will be like barrels of soap!
  28. l7yzo
    l7yzo 12 December 2017 11: 43
    +5
    My main question is - Why is the West (after all, he is our enemy). Yes, I understand why our immigrants, many of whom help Russia as they can there. But what is the reason for the rest ??

    I had ideas - that our oligarchs were infuriated with their arrogance and pomp, as well as the permissiveness of their behavior. When, for example, hereditary counts quietly ride bicycles and quietly eat their lunch, the neighbors of the new Russians clatter their muses in the whole area, drive around to sports cars, cutting off local respected ones. Maybe they hoped that they would go mad, settle down - but time passed - and there were only more new Russians. And their behavior is only worse. And here the sirs and peers decided to end this for now ...

    What do you think ?
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 12 December 2017 11: 57
      +4
      Quote: l7yzo
      My main question is - Why is the West (after all, he is our enemy).

      Why is the West a safari for the oligarchs? There are several reasons, as the information slipped that the total amount of assets withdrawn to different countries is about two trillion, for such money the West will agree to all of them, and the second reason is the organized indirect pressure on the authorities in the Russian Federation so that it behaves according to the Washington Regional Committee’s instructions, until the change guides to a more accommodating
      1. l7yzo
        l7yzo 12 December 2017 19: 13
        0
        So they could immediately take it away. And then straight Robin Hoods.
        But it seems like a pipe shakes, minerals, wood and food without GMOs are supplied, nuclear warheads do not take off. What else does the west need?
    2. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 12 December 2017 12: 05
      +2
      To Russia forever forget about this money to replenish its budget, remember the US debt and of course remind the oligarchs, maybe not the throne, but in return, you must prevent Putin from being elected. In short, the Maidan in Russia.
  29. The power of Russia
    The power of Russia 12 December 2017 11: 53
    +4
    Donald Ivanovich Trumpov is our man! How he pressed all this thief kodla!
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 12 December 2017 17: 04
      +1
      Daniil Ivanovich ... Daniil ...
  30. Tula gingerbread
    Tula gingerbread 12 December 2017 12: 03
    +2
    More than sure that the current liberal state will go to all the conditions of these thieves, and even betray, for his victory. No.
  31. tank64rus
    tank64rus 12 December 2017 12: 24
    +3
    Everything is repeated in our yard all the same for 17 years. True, there is no sailor Zheleznyak, but there is Comrade Trump. I should send him a Mauser with a vest and leather jacket. A thief should be in prison. Let money be confiscated. Not any transfers, there will be no money, there will be no levers of pressure on the authorities or opportunities to decrease. And then everything has rotted.
    1. Lnglr
      Lnglr 12 December 2017 14: 36
      +5
      True, there is no sailor Zheleznyak .....

      But there is another Zheleznyak, which can not explain what kind of shisha his children are studying in elite educational institutions of the damned bourgeois
  32. Anyone
    Anyone 12 December 2017 12: 56
    +3
    True, the question arises: what is the deal, actually? Will these funds that could potentially return earn on the real sector of the economy? They will go to the development of production, machine tool industry, infrastructure? Judging by the proposals, no.

    This is the key point in this article. And most importantly, the idea is true. What the hell are oligarch money for us? We do not know our own petrodollars where else to attach, except for US Treasuries.
  33. Sergey Rudov
    Sergey Rudov 12 December 2017 13: 07
    +1
    Putin will fulfill all their requirements, with the exception of clause “g.” Because he has nowhere to go. He gives election promises, but there is no money in the budget for their fulfillment.
  34. Freeman
    Freeman 12 December 2017 13: 22
    +1
    The argument is simple: if you don’t want to become “honest investors” in Russia on conditions acceptable to Russia, the next American prosecutor will come and transfer your funds to the needs of the most democratic democracy without further ado - and all at once!

    Quote: The Power of Russia
    Donald Ivanovich Trumpov is our man! How he pressed all this thief kodla!

    laughing Reminded.
    An angry trombone flies out of the collective.
    “Misha, will there be anything here, or are we going to smash this jabber in half?” I’m disabled, you know!
    Team Leader:
    - Zhora, do not torment yourself. People have great sorrow, they want to bargain. What is your price, let's talk how cultural people are! You have not heard our sound yet!
    / M. Zhvanetsky. How to joke in Odessa. /
  35. Sergey824
    Sergey824 12 December 2017 13: 39
    +2
    Thanks to Uncle Sam! How can we pay fines? 50% if paid early! The same approach, at least 50%, or you will lose everything! And no laying out of the budget.
  36. Yeti
    Yeti 12 December 2017 13: 40
    0
    Well, not so bad. Money is like water. Where flowed there and work. At least the "partners" will not get it. And of us, economists are like ... bullets candy.)))))
  37. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 12 December 2017 13: 45
    11
    Kleptocrat kleptocrat not eye pecking. Anti-people power is ill with kleptomania.
    And the president, the prime minister, the pedagogues in the State Duma, the senators (Karimov model) in the Federation Council are flesh from the flesh of this power.
  38. Dyagilev
    Dyagilev 12 December 2017 13: 52
    +3
    Yes, he is a consonant. Let them come. As with the Olympics.
  39. loaln
    loaln 12 December 2017 13: 55
    +3
    The nature of the requirements clearly shows how people in power are connected with all these matters. Well, when did a thief ask for something honest? Do not remember? He only takes it from him. But with the accomplice ... you can agree.
  40. Yugra
    Yugra 12 December 2017 14: 20
    +3
    No, my opinion is that they are depriving this thieves of their stolen funds. Especially London Russophobian prisoners ...
  41. Vdi73
    Vdi73 12 December 2017 14: 33
    +5
    And I am grateful to the states for knocking over the bins of our "homeland," they would still have arrested all these accounts and announced to whom, how many and wherever relatives they would have felt for fat, there are no less deposits for a "modest existence." And it is advisable to do all this before the election.
  42. volodia.semuhin1958
    volodia.semuhin1958 12 December 2017 15: 29
    +1
    learn and offal promise them everything and we’ll find warm cameras for them later they will sit comfortably
  43. Gabriel
    Gabriel 12 December 2017 15: 39
    +4
    Comrade Stalin is not enough for these ghouls. The execution of enemies of the people, with complete confiscation (a moratorium on death, let them sit for 20 years and plow in mines).
  44. SHAH
    SHAH 12 December 2017 16: 14
    +4
    If the Government agrees to this deal, and it does, then many members of the Government and the power vertical
    they will save the stolen money and, in passing, once again rob the whole nation.
  45. fa2998
    fa2998 12 December 2017 16: 55
    +4
    Quote: Chertt
    Quote: Severok
    There simply should not be any compromises

    I believe most of the comment will be just that. Or maybe this is the case when it is worth considering. Of course, on favorable conditions for Russia.

    Vorje sets the conditions for the authorities, that's what they have come to! Of course, the West wants to drive a wedge between Russian businessmen and the authorities, it wants to direct business against the authorities through sanctions, to replace the authorities. But it is thanks to these authorities that our "businessmen" are brazenly stealing. Without patronage from above, they are nobody!
    They still set conditions, pass laws in the West, and all stolen funds are confiscated or frozen. negative hi
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 12 December 2017 17: 00
      +7
      Quote: fa2998
      . But it is thanks to these authorities that our "businessmen" are brazenly stealing. Without protection from above, they are nobody!

      The thing is that in the Russian Federation the most reliable "business" is power.
  46. ololo
    ololo 12 December 2017 17: 21
    +2
    So we have to hope for a foreign prosecutor's office. Putin will not surrender his sidekicks to investors.
  47. Nik_60
    Nik_60 12 December 2017 17: 30
    +2
    the process of decay is Putin and you all perfectly understand this. and while this citizen is sitting in the Kremlin, Raska already occupies a confident place in the fourth world. not even in the third
  48. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 12 December 2017 18: 37
    +1
    Balabolit - do not toss the bags! And how it will be in practice. Who are these nouveau riche? and with what thoughts and deeds are you going to return?
  49. strannik1985
    strannik1985 12 December 2017 18: 44
    +2
    Everything is very simple, they are afraid.
    Britain needed money and from January 1, 2018, the Criminal Finance Act comes into force (approved by the Queen on April 27, 2017). Now the British authorities can legally take money from unwanted foreigners, take away buildings worth more than 50 thousand pounds, if the owner can not explain where he got the funds to buy them.
    This is not arrogance, this is fear one day to be in the role of a fat pig, which the owner will soon put to fat. That's all.
  50. kaon3000
    kaon3000 12 December 2017 18: 45
    +6
    I recalled the old joke about the unfaithful wives on the ship: "I bl .... she’s been collecting you for three years on this ship" .... That would be a joke to realize!