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Project "ZZ". The feudal lord, who is always not home

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What will happen in the next six years in Russia? Putin will again, his decrepit system will be in which nothing can change. Putin himself is already so weak that he is unable to change anything. This ruler resembles a feudal lord, who waved his hand to his house. The Kremlin has no ideas, no fantasy. This is written in foreign newspapers. But what awaits Russia further, after Putin? In the West, they are ready to work out a "plan" for new relations with Moscow.




President Putin’s domestic policies are inconsistent and unsustainable. Vladimir Putin’s statement that he wants to run for a fourth term was not unpredictable, writes Leonid Bershidsky in his column for Bloomberg View. Some Russian observers, however, for some reason thought that he was too drawn with this statement. Although it was predictable. Much less predictable is how the system built by Putin is going to “perpetuate” itself after 2024 of the year - the year when Putin’s last term in the Kremlin chair will end, and the Russian constitution will not allow him to become president again.

Putin’s third term turned out to be “the most important, even more important than the first, in 2000-2004, marked by economic reforms in the American republican style, a flat income tax scale, severely taming the oligarchs of 1990's and the memorable restructuring of the power vertical,” - writes columnist.

In the 2012-2018 years, Putin abandoned any claims to a joint political game with the United States and their European allies and tried to make the rest of the world understand: they say, Pax Americana ends. Here he has largely succeeded, the author continues. However, he neglected the main thing: the basis, the basis on which his geopolitical achievements should be built - he neglected Russia itself, “a huge, still poor, more and more cynical and potentially very angry country, about which Putin may have no idea ... "

Putin declares his great success outside of Russia. He “illegally annexed Crimea,” writes the journalist. The Kremlin "retained operational control" over the separatist "people's republics" in eastern Ukraine. Despite US objections, Putin helped his Syrian ally, President Bashar al-Assad, win the civil war. Now, at the end of 2017, it’s already clear that if Assad resigns altogether, he will not be overthrown, like Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi. Putin’s successful intervention reworked the “map of relations” in the Middle East: Turkey was pushed aside from the Western alliance, and even Saudi Arabia is now looking for “good working relations” with Moscow. Putin also "gave hope" to non-liberal forces "across Europe." True, this year these forces could not win important elections, but they still remain useful allies for Putin. Finally, deservedly or not, Russia, in the minds of the Western elite, gained the image of a “hacker superpower”.

All this cost Russian dearly: Russia was thrown out of the G-8 and deprived of hopes of creating some kind of “greater Europe stretching from Lisbon to Vladivostok”. However, this did not turn Russia into a pariah for the rest of the world, primarily for China.



However, masterfully playing on the geopolitical board, the “feudal master” Putin was increasingly “absent from home”. Expert Gleb Pavlovsky expressed this best of all in his recent interview with Echo of Moscow radio: “For the world, this is Putin's Russia. And inside it is no longer Putin's, but post-Putin's, and all its main players are trying, as it were, to make their moves, arrange their pieces, accumulate potential by the time Putin has gone there. ” Pavlovsky thinks that Putin is unable to do this anymore. And Bershidsky agrees with him: indeed, if President Putin at the first and second terms in the Kremlin was a “competent micromanager, made all the important decisions,” then the current Putin “seems to have lost this ability.”

Putin’s loss of ability to rule is seen everywhere. One of the high-profile examples is the ongoing trial of former Economy Minister Alexei Ulyukayev, against whom Putin’s close associate Igor Sechin, head of the state-owned oil giant Rosneft, “organized the operation”. The head of "Rosneft" was subjected to public humiliation, the author believes, because he was repeatedly summoned to court, and he had to dodge and invent excuses. Putin would not have allowed such an open protracted conflict in former times.

Another example is the “decisive independence” of Ramzan Kadyrov, whom Putin put at the time the head of Chechnya. His wealth, violent suppression of opponents and perseverance against conservative Islamic values ​​in a secular state "are a constant challenge to the authority of Moscow," said the columnist. But here, Putin does not interfere.

Finally, the “expulsion of Russian officials” from the Winter Olympic Games also testifies to the weakening of Putin’s leadership. Of course, state propaganda organizations show this from the point of view of geopolitical "retaliation", but Putin could organize a "cleaning" at home and simply "throw out the officials" who were disgraced with doping and "the worst case participants in it". Putin did not even turn to "his old friend from the International Olympic Committee Thomas Bach for support." This indicates Putin’s “relative indifference”.

During the third term, Putin’s country economically slid down, because “little was done to prepare Russia for an era of low oil prices.” The modest agricultural “boom” that has turned the country into a major grain exporter will by no means compensate for lost revenues from hydrocarbons. Putin "has repeatedly demonstrated a reluctance to push forward any bold changes."

Although Putin is still the most popular politician in Russia, Russians show a clear indifference to the March elections. According to the latest poll by Levada Center, Bershidsky continues, only 58% of voters intend to go to the polls and cast their votes. In 2012, the rate was 65,3%. There is one more “but”: Aleksey Navalny, “an anti-corruption activist and the only serious opponent of Putin,” is unlikely to be allowed to vote, and as a result he promised to actively participate in the boycott of the elections.

The statement about the desire to participate in the elections, made "in the Soviet style" during a visit to the plant in Nizhny Novgorod, continues to columnist, testifies to the lack of Kremlin ideas in the field of domestic policy. As a result, another question becomes important: the beginning of the active phase of the struggle for the "continuity" of power. New players are likely to appear immediately, as soon as Putin takes the presidency.

Yes, Putin turned Russia into the world's largest geopolitical player. However, his activity cannot be sustainable outside of “a coherent and successful domestic policy,” notes Bershidsky at the end of the article. Putin led the country, therefore, he “promoted an inefficient corrupt state,” where people, including those in the upper echelons of business and government, are simply trying to get a better job.

So what future Russia can arise on this basis? About this, Putin prefers to keep quiet.

The West is already thinking: what is waiting for Russia further, after Putin? Reviewer Natalie Nugayred in a British newspaper «The Guardian» even offered to develop a "plan" of new relations with Moscow.



Putin announced that he will run in March next year, and he has no serious competitors. So, there is another six-year term ahead. Where is Russia going, how to fight it? Such questions are asked by a journalist.

“Before 1991, hardly anyone could have predicted the demise of the Soviet Union; Today, almost no one risks predicting the end of Putinism, ”she mocks. Putin "fanned the flames of militaristic nationalism - both for the sake of strengthening his internal power, and for strengthening Russia's influence in the world." This fire burned well. But can it burn on?

American, European, and Russian experts are increasingly asking: can Russia continue to live like this further, with the revisionist power, which seeks revenge for its humiliation in the lost cold war? Most believe that yes, it will continue. Putin himself had no choice. After massive street protests in 2011-2012, he needed to find a basis for “new political legitimacy.” And the overthrow of Viktor Yanukovych in 2014 in Ukraine gave Putin just such an opportunity.

Today, Russia is “in a state of war” in Syria and in Ukraine, and this phase is not temporary. Russian society is embraced by “aggressive nationalism and anti-Western sentiment.” Russia "is not interested in resolving conflict situations and believes that the use of force is a key tool for achieving foreign policy goals," writes a columnist. Russia's GDP "may be the size of Italian," Putin is not able to diversify his economy, but he "compensates for this failure by increasing international prestige." In this way, he “distracts attention from internal weak points in Russia”. As a result, Putin is "in good shape," and intends to be in it "for a long time."

On the other hand, not everyone believes in it. Many analysts, although they are in the minority, believe that nothing in Putin’s system is "not sustainable." Putin is reminded in power of Leonid Brezhnev, who ruled the Soviet Union and drove him into a “strategic dead end,” recalls the columnist. By the end of the next term, Putin will be 71 a year already.



It seems that the Russian gerontocracy is not quite over yet. However, Putin will face the problem of “succession” in his “oil and gas state”, where the economy stagnates just as it did in the Brezhnev era. As at the end of 1980, world oil prices are low and are likely to remain so, the journalist writes. "The tidbit for the Russian oligarchic class" shrinks. The struggle with the ruling elite begins, and an example is the trial of the former minister of economics.

Meanwhile, the brain drain "deprives Russia of many young talents who emigrate simply in droves." Is Russia planning to crash?

How to resist such a Russia? If Putinism will act in its current form, it is necessary to fight Russia, the journalist is sure. The Western alliance must provide "all options" for the successful military confrontation of Russia in Europe.

On the other hand, if Putinism enters its last period, the author continues, it makes sense to get ready "for important changes in Russia." The proposal, "equivalent to the Marshall Plan," would put a barrier to Russian authoritarianism. To modernize and achieve stability, Russia will have no choice but to turn to Europe for support, this theory argues. When the time of the collapse of Putinism comes, Russia should be offered a “package of rapprochement with the West with harsh conditions, including the complete withdrawal of troops from Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova,” Natalie Nugayred summarized.

Russians, she writes, want to live in a normal society, and not under “pre-revolutionary paranoia, with widespread corruption.”

* * *


Whatever Russia sees in the United States and Europe, one thing is clear: there is plenty of room for criticism, and considerable. Corruption has become a real scourge of the state, has penetrated into all spheres and pores, and there is nothing to dream about any victory over it. Navalny and his supporters have made themselves decent political capital for corruption. Do not be corruption-who would know about Navalny?

The TV continually mumbles about Syria and about Ukraine, and in between it feeds the audience with advertising and penny-TV shows. TV completely forgot about the bright future. What does it mean? There is no future? Does the country go nowhere? If, under the Soviets, people constantly talked about the coming communism, and comrade. Gorbachev even reached the heights of "developed socialism"; now the unifying idea is absent as such. Or should we take the principle of all-enrichment by the same corruption as an idea?

If the Soviet Union had great achievements in domestic social policy, which it was not a shame to boast to the whole world, then what can Russia boast about?

In 2012, Vladimir Putin recognizedthat in Russia “income differentiation is unacceptably high” and that 13% of citizens (about 18 million people) live below the poverty line.

2017 year: every tenth resident of Russia lacks money for food (VTsIOM survey results).

True? Is progress: from 13% - to every tenth? But no: this is just a poll. But the Rosstat data: following the results of 2016, the poverty level in Russia rose to 13,5%. Number of poor reached 19,8 million. And that is 300 thousand more than a year earlier.

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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2017 10: 14 New
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    This ruler looks like a feudal lord
    and the prime minister, "smacks" of the people ... Oleg, you are in shock, boldly "pushed" ... inspires. respect hi the eternal question: GDP goes to the Elections, again, again everything will be promised, as before, and again for the Shysh people. any new decree to the people is bad. The government only thinks how to squeeze a penny-taxes, tariffs, tariffs, taxes ... that's it! nothing more. just for the air Until they take it, but I don’t think for long to breathe it is free. it's good, even though we have a “national treasure-Gazprom” –– from advertising –– bursting pride ... PESCHESCHO Oleg, I'm glad that you are not leaving us . drinks winkand yes, "everyones" who collects all the rubbish before the Election about the GDP sometimes fall into the Notes ... sadly, but can't hide from the Truth. too many people lead by the nose like "Moses of the Jews". faith disappears in the words of the Authority . how many years did Gagarin fly into space after WWII? and GDP in power? whoo ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 11 December 2017 10: 48 New
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      Quote: Andrew Y.
      how many years did Gagarin fly into space after WWII? and GDP in power?

      During the Second World War only part of the USSR was destroyed (before the Volga). Putin got a completely destroyed country (from the western borders to the Pacific Ocean).

      Putin, Medvedev are people representing their clan-corporate groups and defending their interests. Putin represents the security forces, Medvedev-bourgeois. From the fact that the name of the prime minister from Medvedev will change to Pupkin - their policies will not change.
      By and large, the difference between the siloviks and the bourgeoisie is that some want to manage the wealth of Russia themselves, and for this they need a strong army and the Russian Guard, while others dream of finding a master and presenting Russia on a platter for permission to lick the lord’s boots.
      The times of the seven-boyars (https://snob.ru/selected/entry/30178), when the oligarchs appointed from the State Department opened the doors in all rooms of the Kremlin with their feet, are over. Putin managed to remove them from direct participation in government. Also in the person of Shaimiev it was possible to remove the regional grouping, in the person of Luzhkov - Moscow.
      By the year 2000, everything was ready for the collapse of the country. 24 republics were formed in the nutria of Russia. To evade responsibility, a play was played with the departure of Yeltsin and the appointment of Putin. The Far Eastern republic was created in all, the Siberian one with the statement of Lebed: “There is no land beyond the Urals”, after which his helicopter became entangled in high-voltage wires, Ural (http://chel.mk.ru/articles/2011/12/07/ 650453-ura
      lskaya-respublika-kotoroy-ne-byilo.html) led by Rossel in the whole Ural franc print (pay attention to the date on the bills).



      The swan that signed the Khasavyurt world, according to which Chechnya became a separate state a year later, essentially launched the collapse of Russia. And this is not counting national entities. In Bashkiria, Tatarstan, militants were training in full. The North Caucasus did not essentially recognize the central authority. Yeltsin’s words: “Take as much as you can” were welcomed by the local princes with joy. All of them were waiting for the central government to finally fall and all responsibility for robbing the people, for unpaid salaries, pensions, allowances, etc., could be blamed. on her. Local laws were recognized above national laws. Intersectoral balance was upset. Destroyed all business ties between enterprises. Equipment and property looted. First of all, enterprises of strategic importance were destroyed. If we compare the Pentagon’s maps of nuclear strikes on the territory of the USSR, then they coincide with the destruction of just those industries.



      Here is such a country went to Putin. His first priority is restoring the integrity of the state. The second Chechen - showed everyone else that the government is ready to go to the power option to save the state.
      The second is to restore the power of the army and feed the people.
      The third, solved by him today, is to get rid of dependence on the Fed.

      Only when the country is more or less independent can we proceed to resolve the issue with the bourgeoisie.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2017 10: 55 New
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        Quote: Boris55
        During the Second World War only part of the USSR was destroyed (before the Volga). Putin got a completely destroyed country

        All! That's enough ... hi Urengoy wheels ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 11 December 2017 10: 57 New
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          Quote: Andrew Y.
          All! That's enough ... hi Urengoy wheels ...

          Hi, Kolyasurengoy. And where do you think the combined forces of the West, led by the Germans, have reached?

          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2017 11: 23 New
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            Quote: Boris55
            Hi, Kolyasurengoy. And where do you think the combined forces of the West, led by the Germans

            your insult, let it remain on the conscience of your Parents, is their upbringing, and about: the GDP went not to the country in ruins, but to the space power, not completely killed, and with it the factories of the military industrial complex continued to fall apart (which are now being restored, some) and with him, Serdyukov continued to destroy airfields and medical battalions (which are now being restored) under him, Vasilyeva came to the General Staff meetings with the dog in the hands of the “adjutant”. (we are silent about money) .and about the scale of corruption it is better to remain silent) -continue "educational program"?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 11 December 2017 14: 56 New
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              Quote: Andrew Y.
              your insult, let it remain on your conscience

              And yours: "That's it! Enough is enough ... hello wheels of Urengoy ...". Or, as in the proverb: "I see a straw in a stranger’s eye, but I don’t see logs in my own"?
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              GDP did not go to a country in ruins, but a space power

              Putin got a country in which the USSR was already destroyed, and Russia was subject to destruction.
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              continue the "educational program"?

              You do not see behind liberal nonsense how a new state is being built on the wreckage of the USSR - Russia. And you know, contrary to your beliefs, quite successfully. It would be different if they didn’t wet us on all fronts. hi
              1. GAF
                GAF 11 December 2017 21: 49 New
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                Boris, how dare you contradict the marshal. Attention! Around, stand in line and listen to what Bershidsky is saying with Pavlovsky. Elections on the nose, you know.
              2. Alf
                Alf 11 December 2017 22: 29 New
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                Quote: Boris55
                You do not see behind liberal nonsense how a new state is being built on the wreckage of the USSR - Russia. And you know, contrary to your beliefs, quite successfully.

                Reminds an old medical joke-The operation was successful, but the patient died.
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 11 December 2017 20: 05 New
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              Quote: Andrew Y.
              GDP did not go to a country in ruins, but a space power, not completely killed


              Well, yes.
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              under him, Serdyukov continued to destroy airfields and medical battalions

              That's just the army after Serdyukov somehow very quickly began to develop. Not to mention what happened before him.
          2. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 11 December 2017 11: 37 New
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            Boris, with all due respect, Stalin inherited a no less destroyed country. Only it was destroyed before the Second World War. The devastation after the First World War and after the Civil War was no less than after Gorbachev and Yeltsin. The question is in the management system itself. Stalin had no less enemies within the country than Putin. But there were other times and there were different mores. Nobody prevented Stalin from putting things in order in the country. He ended the opposition fairly quickly, although again not immediately. In general, Putin’s criticism is not because he is Putin, but because he is little Putin. We must act harder, the people will support it with two hands. And if in general there are not many questions about Putin’s foreign policy, then there are more and more questions to the domestic situation. I really hope that during this period he will pay more attention to internal problems. Although weeping that everything is bad with us, I consider the liberals too battered. Look at what's happening around the world and it will become clear that it’s bad almost everywhere, it’s just badly expressed in different ways. As they say, someone has a liquid stool, and someone has small pearls!
            1. passing
              passing 11 December 2017 12: 24 New
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              I really hope that during this period he will pay more attention to internal problems

              Do not hope for a change in domestic politics, you need a change of "elite" !!!
              Not for this they so much time raised .And officials! The official is not a position, this is a worldview.
              Although weeping that everything is bad with us, I think the liberals are too beaten up

              The number of people living below the poverty line is increasing — isn't that an indication of deterioration?
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 11 December 2017 12: 47 New
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                passing Today, 12:24 ↑
                The number of people living below the poverty line is increasing — isn't that an indication of deterioration?
                Look at the same indicator for the USA and EU countries. The picture is about the same. The question is that our level of well-being has fallen compared to the 2000s, when it was slowly but growing in relation to Yeltsin’s times, and the level of well-being of Western countries fell compared to the 90s of the last century, when the West profited from the collapse of the USSR.
                Do not confuse the welfare of Western countries that live by robbing others, and the level of welfare in Russia, which builds its welfare itself, and even tries to help others, and even under sanctions. This will agree, different things.
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 11 December 2017 14: 50 New
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                  to hell do we compare with the West? Our wealth fell 2 times in 2014 compared to 2012. And there is no return to the past. How can people pay for the rising cost of utilities, for more expensive products? Loans? Even Golikova in the Federation recently stated that the number of beggars increased by 2 million. And you are about the West! Debts are forgiven, grandmas invested in the US economy. What about their citizens? Shish? Patriotism on an empty stomach is not absorbed.
                  This poem was written by a nurse at the Lotoshinsky Central District Hospital. She placed him in classmates, she was blocked. Then she placed it again, someone shared, someone copied. And so it went ....
                  I throw a stone at your garden
                  In beautiful ties dumb mutt!
                  Why don’t you love people so much
                  Feeding your “righteous” w. py?
                  Who am I? I am an ordinary nurse.
                  I live, I feed children on 10.300.
                  And there is no longer hope for Christ.
                  More and more often I remember the Communists ...
                  Teacher, doctor - there is pride and honor ...

                  The leader of the plant is honor and glory.
                  Both to the resort and to the sanatorium every year
                  The country sent its workers.
                  And I'm sitting and crying. How do i live?
                  I am not a lazy person, I am a citizen of Russia!
                  I teach children to love my homeland,
                  But here for what - they cannot explain to them ...
                  My father did not live up to retirement ...
                  He fed his family, could not stand the load ...
                  And I always paid to the pension fund!
                  Where is his money? To children? Fuck you Russian!
                  And mother, having survived two heart attacks,
                  She taught children OUR, RUSSIAN SPEECH,
                  As a result, a cookie with butter received ...
                  Why does the state cripple us so?
                  Holy and Naked Our people
                  Donates a penny to children for salvation,
                  And the "father" in a jeep sings to us,
                  Wishes everyone universal patience.
                  The daughter wants to sing and dance
                  Studying at school for one five ...
                  But what can a medical mom give her?
                  Once a month, meat ... How bitter it is!
                  A mighty, great country
                  You are an unshakable power ...
                  So why don't you value a damn
                  Ordinary people who created your glory?
                  1. KAV
                    KAV 12 December 2017 00: 04 New
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                    Quote: Overlock
                    to hell do we compare with the West?

                    I like it most of all! Especially when they start yelling that “where did the country bring its GDP ?! look to the west - there is paradise! Let's go there soon!” ... Double standards rule ...
                2. Alber
                  Alber 11 December 2017 14: 50 New
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                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  passing Today, 12:24 ↑
                  The number of people living below the poverty line is increasing — isn't that an indication of deterioration?
                  Look at the same indicator for the USA and EU countries. The picture is about the same. The question is that our level of well-being has fallen compared to the 2000s, when it was slowly but growing in relation to Yeltsin’s times, and the level of well-being of Western countries fell compared to the 90s of the last century, when the West profited from the collapse of the USSR.
                  Do not confuse the welfare of Western countries that live by robbing others, and the level of welfare in Russia, which builds its welfare itself, and even tries to help others, and even under sanctions. This will agree, different things.

                  Everything can be endured and even tightened belts when it is difficult for the whole country, and everything is on an equal footing, but the fatliquoring of oligarchs and thieves-capitalists, while a significant part of the common people have no work, which means sources of subsistence, is fatliquoring of obese, fattening, fat I consider cats to be unfair
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 11 December 2017 15: 56 New
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                    Dear Albert! Taken off my comment hi
                3. passing
                  passing 11 December 2017 17: 00 New
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                  See the same indicator for the USA and EU countries

                  I am interested in the welfare of my fellow citizens, first of all, and how it doesn’t bother me much. But, if you touched on this issue, then you also look at the indicators of the EU and the Russian Federation.
                  In the EU, oligarchs get poorer along with the population, while here the poor get poorer and the rich get richer
                4. Overlock
                  Overlock 11 December 2017 19: 51 New
                  +2
                  We had such a leader, in foreign policy everything was fine, a breakthrough, after a breakthrough. Gorbachev. But everything was bad in the inside. I propose to put a bucket under the TV. I am sure milk will be poured into a bucket and money will sprinkle. For broth, put the president’s appeal in the soup. I am sure the calorie content of the dishes will grow! You can wrap Medvedev’s speech in a bamboo mood immediately improve!
            2. Boris55
              Boris55 11 December 2017 15: 00 New
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              Quote: Varyag_0711
              But there were other times and there were different mores. Nobody prevented Stalin from putting things in order in the country.

              That's it. Other times and other manners requiring new approaches to solving the same problems. Putin once said that the team would not last long, only then it would be practically impossible to stop.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 11 December 2017 15: 57 New
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                So other times have come again! And we need other figures and body movements! Or do you only reserve the right to determine when other times have come or not?
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 11 December 2017 16: 01 New
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                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  you only reserve the right to determine when other times have come or not?

                  Defines the people in the election. And he, voting for EP, chooses slavery.
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 11 December 2017 16: 09 New
                    +7
                    I did not vote for EP, here my conscience is clear.
                  2. Alf
                    Alf 11 December 2017 22: 40 New
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                    Quote: Boris55
                    Defines the people in the election. And he, voting for EP, chooses slavery.

                    The part of the population that does not come to the polls is the one that thus votes against United Russia.
                    Here are the results of the 2012 election.
                    71 Russian citizens took part in the presidential elections, including 780 people, including overseas, with the turnout being 800%.
                    The presidential election in the first round was won by Vladimir Putin, who received 45 602 075 votes, which is 63,60%, that is, more than half of the votes cast.

                    Those. About 30% of the population of Russia voted for Putin, the rest voted with their feet.
                    1. Nikolay73
                      Nikolay73 21 December 2017 13: 25 New
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                      ... no, that doesn’t mean anything, you don’t need to misinterpret the facts in favor of your own maxims, the fact is that 41,55% of all Russian citizens who, at that time, had the right to vote and cast their votes for Putin. Everything else is fantasy, the history of the subjunctive mood has no.
            3. Dart2027
              Dart2027 11 December 2017 20: 07 New
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              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Nobody prevented Stalin from putting things in order in the country. He ended the opposition fairly quickly, although again not immediately. In general, Putin’s criticism is not because he is Putin, but because he is little Putin. We must act harder, the people will support it with two hands.

              So-so, but there is a nuance. Stalin created a superpower, but after his death, confusion immediately began - if Putin follows his example, then what will be the outcome? Not always faster means better.
        2. Glory1974
          Glory1974 11 December 2017 14: 32 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          During the Second World War only part of the USSR was destroyed (before the Volga). Putin got a completely destroyed country
          Everything! That's enough ... hello Urengoy wheels ..

          From 1991 to 1995, the decline in production in Russia was 2 times greater than during the Second World War.
          Therefore, from an economic point of view, Boris 55 is right.
          1. 16112014nk
            16112014nk 11 December 2017 18: 21 New
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            Quote: glory1974
            From 1991 to 1995, the decline in production in Russia was 2 times greater than during the Second World War.

            According to the calculations of economists, the economy of the USSR in 1941-1945. Damage equivalent to $ 2,7 trillion was inflicted. During the so-called "reforms" in the 90's. damage to the Russian economy amounted to 5 trillion dollars.
            Question: who are the big enemies of Russia: external or internal? The answer is obvious: liberals are much more dangerous. Nevertheless, the authorities continue to pursue the same liberal policy and are not going to change anything.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 11 December 2017 19: 06 New
              +2
              are you talking about this? Why blame the mirror?
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2017 11: 29 New
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        Quote: Boris55
        Putin, Medvedev are people representing their clan-corporate groups and defending their interests. Putin represents the security forces, Medvedev-bourgeois.

        what can I say, here I’ll drink with you .. drinks
      3. sunzhenets
        sunzhenets 11 December 2017 12: 23 New
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        Boris55 Today, 10: 48 ↑ New
        During the Second World War only part of the USSR was destroyed (before the Volga). Putin got a completely destroyed country (from the western borders to the Pacific Ocean).

        First, the CPSU (b) created a great industrial power on the site of the ruins left after the 1st World War and the Civil War (1924 - 1941, 17 years old). Then she did not allow the fascists to destroy this power. Then she eliminated the consequences of the war (1945-1953, 8 years). Do you dare to compare the "successes" of the 18-year reign of GDP with the development of the country in those days and claim that GDP has taken the country in a worse position than Stalin? I can’t even comment on this.
        The times of the seven-boyars (https://snob.ru/selected/entry/30178), when the oligarchs appointed from the State Department opened the doors in all rooms of the Kremlin with their feet, have passed. Putin managed to remove them from direct participation in government.

        However, the oligarchs have not gone anywhere. Now they are obedient, and they are all friends of the president. And they continue to increase their capital.
        The second Chechen - showed everyone else that the government is ready to go to the power option to save the state.

        And then she showed a new methodology for combating the militants of our president: to appoint an militant as president of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation, to hang up with awards and titles, and to fill up fighters with money of mass destruction. At the end, they will gobble up and burst. (So ​​it was conceived). The last point has not yet been completed, they only have increased appetites. BUT soon.
        Local laws were recognized above national laws.

        Here recently in Tatarstan they tried to introduce compulsory teaching of the Tatar language. But this is completely different, right?
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 11 December 2017 16: 17 New
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          However, the oligarchs have not gone anywhere. Now they are obedient, and they are all friends of the president. And they continue to increase their capital.

          Thank you very much for your comment. I completely agree. Can I add pictures? So to speak, in chronological order ...




      4. Overlock
        Overlock 11 December 2017 14: 35 New
        17
        You have correctly described everything, I agree 100%. One question, Putin was able to save our country and could not overcome corruption. Why? Could not, did not want to? My answer was that he didn’t want to, because his nominees became the head of corruption. Its principle is its own everything, the rest of the law causes natural human rejection among decent people. Is it not possible to rebuild the country and not steal? Or steal, but less? China - shoots thieves, the CCP in power, faces change - power remains unchanged. Where is China now? Starting initial at us were approximately equal, the final result is different. The Chinese believe in their STATE, and we- ?? We are not. Because the STATE has repeatedly deceived and robbed its citizens. And that is the big problem. Putin was not able to restore people's faith in his state and his friends did their best.
        1. a.sirin
          a.sirin 11 December 2017 23: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Overlock
          Putin was able to save our country and could not fight corruption

          Putin kept the country using corruption, i.e. thanks to her.
          The country is, but development is not.
          And will not be.
      5. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 11 December 2017 15: 25 New
        11
        Quote: Boris55
        Here is such a country went to Putin.

        Your division! What kind of country did you get? Due to the industrial potential, the country jumped out of the crisis of the 98th year! And to ruin everything completely, they began precisely under Putin.
        Quote: Boris55
        The second Chechen - showed everyone else that the government is ready to go to the power option to save the state.

        Do you even know who and why this second Chechen was unleashed? And how did the Kremlin emissaries go to London to persuade the militant inspirers to return to Chechnya, do you also not know this?
        Quote: Boris55
        The second is to restore the power of the army and feed the people.

        In St. Petersburg in the early 90s, he already fed ....
        Quote: Boris55
        The third, solved by him today, is to get rid of dependence on the Fed.

        All Boris, this is already over the edge ...., green walls, white ceiling.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 11 December 2017 20: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          Do you even know who and why this second Chechen was unleashed?

          And by whom? Specifically?
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 11 December 2017 21: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          All Boris, this one is already over the edge

          I will answer with a quote from Saltykov-Shchedrin: "In my opinion, the division of life phenomena into great and small, the reduction of the great to small, the elevation of small to great is the true mockery of life."
      6. groks
        groks 11 December 2017 19: 44 New
        +7
        Only when the country is more or less independent

        With the current course of government, never.
        And it’s not true that Putin got everything already destroyed. Much collapsed already with him. In any case, the specialists were still alive. Shuganut rich then it was easy, in hot pursuit. And now the train is gone. Our former governor was tried, tried, tried ... until the statute of limitations came out. Lord, yes, they would reproach him in the bullpen for all these several years (the former general of the GB) and let him "get acquainted with the case materials" there. Moreover, by the size of the stolen, by the Soviet standards, the Naval Forces was put to him.
      7. Sasha_Sar
        Sasha_Sar 15 December 2017 11: 00 New
        +1
        "During the Second World War only part of the USSR was destroyed (before the Volga).", Yes, what are you? And beyond the Volga, we had industry ?! What are you saying? They read about the “Magnitogorsk”, you can not trouble yourself. Everything else: the Urals, Volga region, Western Siberia, evacuated plants from the European part of the country.
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 11 December 2017 10: 51 New
      +3
      Andrey Yuryevich You are too serious. Some "publications" must be looked at from a medical point of view. Maybe, in your opinion, the author’s spleen is upset, I think maybe. But we
      we will continue (probably) with interest to follow the point of view of Oleg Chuvakin
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2017 11: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: Chertt
        Andrey Yuryevich You are too serious. Some "publications" must be looked at from a medical point of view. Maybe, in your opinion, the author’s spleen is upset, I think maybe. But we
        we will continue (probably) with interest to follow the point of view of Oleg Chuvakin

        well, since Oleg is in VO, longer than you, and he has more friends here, I think, yes, we will continue to read Oleg, since we know him for a long time, we know his position, we know about his help to the LPR and the DPR, and just to colleagues , but about you, we do not know anything but words. I'm sorry for the truth.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2017 11: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          well, since Oleg is in VO, longer than you


          By the way, long ago, Oleg, I have not seen your bearded (sorry) face .. talk, since the article "gave birth"! wink drinks
          1. Victor N
            Victor N 11 December 2017 12: 21 New
            +5
            The article provides information offered to foreign readers and Russian losers (Echo of Moscow). And rightly so: let them underestimate both Russia and Putin. Let them believe that they threw Russia out of the eight.
            But when people living in Russia are not able to see and correctly evaluate what is happening in the country ..... You think about it: insanity or sabotage?
            For example: an assessment of the fact of shipment of liquefied gas from Yamal is: strengthening the situation in the global energy sector; GDP growth; increase in foreign exchange earnings; new port, highway, airport; implementation of Stalin’s fantastic project “Northern Latitudinal Railway”; development of the Northern Sea Route - and much more! And note: all this was created without too much noise and fuss, but it happened! And this opens up huge new opportunities.
            Or, Andrei, is it from the rules: "cry, the card loves a tear"?
            1. dSK
              dSK 11 December 2017 14: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: Victor N
              underestimate both Russia and Putin

              Hello Victor! "Russian President Vladimir Putin today unexpectedly for many (and especially for the West) arrived in Syria. Vladimir Vladimirovich noted that «if the terrorists in Syria raise their heads again, we will strike at them such blows that they have not yet seen». He also intends to visit Turkey and Egypt.
              Vladimir Vladimirovich begins the "election marathon".
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 11 December 2017 16: 08 New
                +2
                Vladimir Vladimirovich continues to defend the interests of Russia. And God help him.
                1. dSK
                  dSK 12 December 2017 11: 45 New
                  +1
                  Hello Victor!
                  Quote: Victor N
                  Vladimir Vladimirovich
                  Yes bro, God help him, and good health for many years. hi
            2. groks
              groks 11 December 2017 20: 05 New
              +3
              "cry, the card loves a tear"

              At least from the Martians information. Is it true? Yes. So what is needed? Kiselev did not say that? Amazing!
              And it’s no longer necessary about the “GDP growth” - all this money will be gasped for hours, pens, simply folded into bags, and if something suddenly remains, then it may fall over to us.
              No one here asked - where did Sechin actually have a suitcase of cash?
              "Northern latitudinal way"? For the price of several Stalinist industrializations? Perhaps half by 2030. A normal project is like Zenit Arena.
    3. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 11 December 2017 20: 19 New
      +2
      2017 year: every tenth inhabitant of Russia does not have enough money for food (results of a VTsIOM survey).

      "I do not believe!" Stanislavsky.
      Judging by the number of cars on the streets of cities of different price categories, gasoline is clearly enough.
      Smokers, motorists and alkonauts - the richest people - no matter how much gasoline, cigarettes and alcohol cost, drive, smoke and drink. And they will go and drink and smoke.
      Only the "Ksenia-horse" "lacks" jamon and oysters.
    4. Kent0001
      Kent0001 13 December 2017 23: 29 New
      0
      What is written in the review, many understand, but now nothing can be done. I hope that at least Aifrna will change after the election, although they’ll lie. I think the top and so everything suits.
  2. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 11 December 2017 10: 19 New
    11
    C'mon, the pocket party of embezzlers and scammers will accept the amendment to the constitution and the "galley slave" will be riveted to life for paddle. Question according to Freud, if he is a galley slave, then who is still on the steering wheel?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2017 10: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: Sergey Kozhokar
      Question according to Freud, if he is a galley slave, then who is still on the steering wheel?

      among the slaves, the dearest, oddly enough, there was also a hierarchy ... there was always someone, "more important".
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 11 December 2017 12: 25 New
        0
        Sergey is looking at the root: the helmsman should not be confused with the rowers, by the way, do not hang around on the bridge.
    2. Forever so
      Forever so 11 December 2017 12: 55 New
      +1
      On the wheel Executive Director of a commercial organization Russia, Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev.
    3. zoolu350
      zoolu350 17 December 2017 16: 37 New
      0
      The oligarch of the Russian Federation, and Putin is not a "galley slave", but merely his hired manager.
  3. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 11 December 2017 10: 32 New
    13
    Like it or not, 90% of the article is uncomfortable for Russian people. "Tops" can not, do not know how and do not want to, "basics" everything is already sick and we are slowly howling and mumbling.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2017 11: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: Antianglosaks
      "Tops" can not, do not know how and do not want to, "basics" everything is already sick and we are slowly howling and mumbling.

      yes you, my friend, purely Vladimir Ilyich is broadcasting ... reincarnation ...? then, I immediately join your Bolshevik Party! hi
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 11 December 2017 12: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Antianglosaks
      Like it or not, 90% of the article is uncomfortable for Russian people. "Tops" can not, do not know how and do not want to, "basics" everything is already sick and we are slowly howling and mumbling.

      You are simply hypnotized. But you are baptized - and see clearly, God will help.
  4. cannabis
    cannabis 11 December 2017 10: 35 New
    +6
    There is no personal interpretation of the situation in the article; there is only a retelling of other people's opinions. "And what do you have your own opinion? - Yes, there is, there is ...... But I do not agree with him!"
  5. Loess
    Loess 11 December 2017 10: 44 New
    +1
    Yes, they seem to just envy ...
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 11 December 2017 15: 08 New
      +4
      black envy! So many billionaires and so many beggars, health care ... Well ...............
  6. solzh
    solzh 11 December 2017 10: 48 New
    +6
    Boldly and truthfully. I wonder how Putin supporters will react to the article
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2017 11: 06 New
      +9
      Quote: solzh
      Boldly and truthfully. I wonder how Putin supporters will react to the article

      uninteresting ... will howl: "all the prowlers of the polymer are all the adversaries of the liberal traitors" -act
      oh so ...
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 11 December 2017 11: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: solzh
      Boldly and truthfully.

      Boldly and truthfully - are you talking about Western magazines?
      Quote: solzh
      I wonder how Putin supporters will react to the article

      The article or the opinion of Western journalists given in the article?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2017 11: 27 New
        10
        Quote: Boris55
        Boldly and truthfully - are you talking about Western magazines?

        it’s true, sometimes, from the “other” side it happens. It’s unpleasant to admit, but you need to blindly yell “hooray” - not a sign of patriotism, this is fanaticism.
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 11 December 2017 12: 49 New
          +6
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: Boris55
          Boldly and truthfully - are you talking about Western magazines?

          it’s true, sometimes, from the “other” side it happens. It’s unpleasant to admit, but you need to blindly yell “hooray” - not a sign of patriotism, this is fanaticism.

          I agree too. that 90% of the article is true. although it’s not pleasant, moreover, with no money, the government is looking for more and more “honest” ways of taking money from the population, I think not only I got strange tax debts at the end of the year. I’ve got enough of everything, I’ll be sorting it out in January, now I won’t push into the tax one, we have almost all of us “cracked!”
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 11 December 2017 13: 41 New
            +3
            Quote: lis-ik
            the government is looking for more and more "honest" ways of taking money from the population, I think not only I got strange tax debts at the end of the year. I’ve got enough of everything, I’ll be sorting it out in January, now I won’t push into the tax one, we have almost all of us “cracked!”

            ... and the Internet for what?
            I also received "letters of happiness" - arrears for 2015, 2016 ... and, to the heap "- for 2017! I paid ... Again the same" happiness "- again, but from another," the central branch of the Federal Tax Service (and the previous one - repaid - it was from the regional one)! So what? I’ll go to my personal account (how to go home ...) ... there are no tax arrears! we will certainly inform you in a timely manner ... we will be fined ... maybe we can ...
            So - glory to the Internet! he is a great power ... And the Federal Tax Service is also a great one ... but he is so green!
      2. solzh
        solzh 11 December 2017 12: 21 New
        0
        I'm talking about an article by Oleg Chuvakin. Do you think the article is a lie?
    3. Victor N
      Victor N 11 December 2017 12: 32 New
      0
      Quote: solzh
      Boldly and truthfully. I wonder how Putin supporters will react to the article

      ....... and the caravan is coming !!!
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 11 December 2017 13: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: Victor N
        Quote: solzh
        Boldly and truthfully. I wonder how Putin supporters will react to the article

        ....... and the caravan is coming !!!

        WHERE?!!! (there is such a picture of Peter Bruegel - "The Procession of the Blind" ...)
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 11 December 2017 15: 11 New
        +1
        that's just where and how much will reach the end
    4. Overlock
      Overlock 11 December 2017 15: 10 New
      +2
      they say that all lies!
    5. Alf
      Alf 11 December 2017 22: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: solzh
      I wonder how Putin supporters will react to the article

      They will say that all of these are the stages of the HPP. Give him another 6 years of rule and then ....
    6. Kent0001
      Kent0001 13 December 2017 23: 31 New
      0
      They will not read it ....
  7. Commander
    Commander 11 December 2017 11: 08 New
    +1
    "Military Review" with such articles before our eyes turns into a white-tape resource. Only now have the manuals been replaced and Russia decided to split up under the slogan of the "insufficiently patriotic" president and comparison with the USSR. At the same time, in many ways the same people, financed from the same sources 30 years ago, were brainwashed by us, as the USSR had rotted and went bankrupt. What led - everyone knows. But if the USSR would have switched to market rails in a single status, there would not have been a series of civil wars in all its republics, and there would have been no present wars. Once again we will step on the same rake?
    1. turbris
      turbris 11 December 2017 11: 28 New
      +2
      That is, the Military Review with such articles raises many questions, especially the set of regular authors who have been doing for years and for whom they work?
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 11 December 2017 16: 02 New
        +5
        Turbris, do not like do not read! Or do you hear whining again?
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 11 December 2017 12: 22 New
      11
      Quote: Commander
      Military Review "with such articles before our eyes turns into a white-tape resource.

      And what is the problem actually? That the article raised uncomfortable questions? Or is it that you personally don’t like it? In fact, the topic of the future of Russia is very important and worthy of discussion.
      PySy And what articles do you think are "correct"? Eternal vanging about the offensive APU? Or rzhach over the Americans?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2017 12: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Commander
        But if the USSR would have switched to market rails in a single status, there would not have been a series of civil wars in all its republics, there would have been no wars of the present

        for the "captain of evidence" - it would not be, not only wars, but also the USSR, and therefore Russia. (digest at leisure)
        1. Commander
          Commander 11 December 2017 14: 37 New
          +1
          I’m not a "captain of evidence." This is the time. USSR and so no, these are two. Of course, it is difficult to predict the future, but the consequences of the collapse of the USSR are obvious. But market reforms could not necessarily begin in Chinese, but at least limit themselves to the privatization of small enterprises of trade and consumer services, rather than tearing up the entire industry. These are three.
      2. Commander
        Commander 11 December 2017 14: 34 New
        0
        You can discuss in different ways. Here is just a set of ordinary propaganda of our enemy.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 11 December 2017 16: 03 New
          +4
          Note that propaganda is right to the point! Unlike propaganda on ORT and Vesti.
          1. Commander
            Commander 11 December 2017 20: 26 New
            +1
            Propaganda is just in the milk: "Crimea cost the Russians dearly - they threw them out of the G2 and deprived them of hope for Europe from Lisbon to Vladik." Aren't you funny? The Minister of Economy is being jailed - badly. Loses GDP management. Stealing ministers are not imprisoned - also bad, corruption. "Economy to shreds" - have heard more than once. The agricultural boom was called "modest." What is it like? Either a boom, or modest success then. Well, okay, Russian is foreign to them. Ramzan reproached - let Puigdemon look better or Texas governor. To all healthy people, Kadyrov’s role in domestic and foreign policy is understandable. What else? I didn’t like what I said in the elections at GAZ. And where was it necessary - on the "House-XNUMX"? Or give an ad in Playboy?
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 11 December 2017 20: 31 New
              +1
              smile You very carefully crossed out everything that you should pay attention to, and wrote only what you wanted to see in the article. You have a strong selective consciousness. wink
              1. Commander
                Commander 11 December 2017 20: 40 New
                0
                What is there to pay attention to?
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 08: 53 New
                  +1
                  For example, I drew attention to the absence of Sechin in court. ETOGES as it is necessary to despise Russia and the people in order to violate the laws of the country. The number of poor is increasing and this is a fact that the authorities recognize. Just recognize it, but they don’t want to do anything and cannot. Not the ability of the authorities to diversify the economy, because they think only liberal dogmas. Well, this is offhand.
                  1. Commander
                    Commander 12 December 2017 10: 23 New
                    0
                    So you go to any meeting of the criminal court and the Sechins will get a full basket. The witness of the party did not appear - this is the problem of the party. if the opposing party objects, his written testimony is not announced and the court does not take it into account. Or do you think Sechin is the only one who has not arrived in court? Are there any more serious claims? Than the failure of one witness to appear in one trial. And what does this have to do with Putin?
                    1. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 15: 41 New
                      +3
                      Commander do not turn upside down! If only Vasya Pupkini hadn’t come to court, this is one thing! And when a figure like Sechin didn’t come, it’s different. And Putin has a direct relationship, he is his sculpted comrade. Following your logic on laws, you can score everything! He was not called by the defense, but by the Prosecutor's Office and the Court. On the other aspects that I have listed are comments?
                      1. Commander
                        Commander 12 December 2017 17: 17 New
                        0
                        And who do you think the prosecutor is? The prosecution is the same as the defense. The number of poor at first has been declining steadily since 2000, in 2015 it has grown, but now it’s lower or higher in quarters. And what does this prove? What communism did not come about? The poor - of course there are, they will be. According to statistics, where the self-employed hide their incomes, so in real life, for a whole range of reasons. So far no one has been able to build the kingdom of God on earth, for tens of thousands of years of human history, but do you demand from Putin for 17 years? It's business to diversify the economy, it’s so easy and simple, but the malignant Vlad doesn’t want to, so you argue? No one can be beaten to the law - but many are scored, you too, and I exceeded the speed twice as much - and what, is Putin to blame?
                  2. Commander
                    Commander 12 December 2017 13: 11 New
                    0
                    And what law did Sechin violate, by the way? "So despise." But you yourself have never flown into cameras recording traffic violations? And there, after all, is a pure article of the CoAPP. Did not make noise after 22? Did you pay all taxes? Write complete nonsense. The maximum that a witness faces for failing to appear in court WITHOUT MANDATORY reasons is a drive.
                    1. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 15: 42 New
                      0
                      Well, then the drive took place? And this is not an administrative case, but a criminal one! Feel the difference!
                      1. Commander
                        Commander 12 December 2017 17: 18 New
                        0
                        Did his court drive? And here is a criminal case, the matter is not in relation to Sechin.
    3. Kent0001
      Kent0001 13 December 2017 23: 32 New
      0
      And what in the article is CARDINALLY contrary to the current situation in Russia.
  8. Nikolay73
    Nikolay73 11 December 2017 11: 10 New
    +5
    ... the main question is how to confront Russia ... ... Putin is so bad that he has nothing to oppose ... ... Western analysts recognized the achievements of the USSR 30 years after its collapse ... ... everywhere RF, everything is just wonderful, if the bloody tentacles of the Mordor did not reach them ... ... but I almost forgot, the Russian oligarchs profit and get rich while all the others are engaged in charity ... ... no, I don’t I say that everything is great with us, yes, it could have been better, but sad - the cat left the kittens ..., but to those who like Baba Yaga (always against), I will say - Go and do it and if you can’t or don't want to, at least, do not bother anyone who does not see the gap - go to a place where it is warm and free and do not return. IMHO, I do not pretend to the truth.
  9. turbris
    turbris 11 December 2017 11: 23 New
    +2
    Another libel from a tireless author, especially touched by sources: Leonid Bershidsky in his column for Bloomberg View; columnist Natalie Nugirad in the British newspaper The Guardian; American, European, and Russian experts. Therefore, the enthusiasm of some bloggers in this publication categorically do not share.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 11 December 2017 16: 04 New
      +4
      According to the facts presented in the article, is there anything to argue with?
      1. Commander
        Commander 11 December 2017 20: 27 New
        +1
        There are no fried facts. There is only a Russophobic view of all known events.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 08: 54 New
          +1
          Commander I have already answered you. The selectivity of your mental apparatus is honestly striking.
      2. turbris
        turbris 12 December 2017 14: 24 New
        0
        Are you giving out any publication in the press as facts? Which authors, such and facts, aren't they?
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 15: 43 New
          +3
          laughing Enchanting companion you Turbris! I understand that the truth of the facts is only such as you have the right to establish? wink
      3. turbris
        turbris 13 December 2017 13: 07 New
        0
        Very much there!
  10. AleBors
    AleBors 11 December 2017 11: 36 New
    +2
    Until 2024, as they say, we still need to live ... Then we'll talk
  11. Masya masya
    Masya masya 11 December 2017 11: 56 New
    +4
    Russia will have no choice but to turn to Europe for support to modernize and achieve stability.

    What didn’t she write that she’s crawling on her knees? Yes, will we beg? And they will also draw conditions for us ...
    Russia should be offered a “package of rapprochement with the West with harsh conditions, including the complete withdrawal of troops from Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova,”

    Not too dreamy, then?
    1. Cat Marquis
      Cat Marquis 11 December 2017 12: 30 New
      +9
      Well, so GDP is not eternal and it is true. He still has 6 years to strengthen, the vertical that is falling apart before his eyes, and then what? Young people are dropping out of the country in droves (I see this myself — our company is full of Russian, young, initiative people who have left Russia in the last 5 years). On what he hopes, with whom will he stay? For those with the slogan: "Never lived well and do not have to"?
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 11 December 2017 12: 48 New
        +3
        Do you think he does not know this and does not calculate options? Doesn’t prepare anyone to replace? It seems to me that there is already a successor, and for the remaining six years Putin will bring him to mind ...
        1. Cat Marquis
          Cat Marquis 11 December 2017 13: 22 New
          +5
          Godfather Horse, no? wink
          1. Masya masya
            Masya masya 11 December 2017 13: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: Marquis Cat
            Godfather Horse, no?

            laughing
            I think that the follower is still in the shadows ... wink not time to put on public display ...
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 11 December 2017 15: 23 New
          +4
          Medvedev to the kingdom?
          But seriously, let’s recall our story.
          - Stalin died, the internal party struggle, Khrushchev.
          Khrushchev blamed Stalinism, the Caribbean crisis, corn, etc. The internal party struggle and Brezhnev appeared.
          - Brezhnev at the helm for a very long time, he didn’t prepare the shift, or maybe his friends-comrades didn’t. After his death-
          leapfrog leaders, internal party struggle and the collapse of the Union.
          The apparatus of violence will not fulfill its function; moreover, many security officials took an active part in the collapse of the country.
          Output. The change of long-term leaders in power is always accompanied by a struggle for the fallen power of his associates. New result of this struggle is the death of the country. The army and the police are not a guarantee of the preservation of the country.
          The current situation is similar.
          1. Nikolay73
            Nikolay73 11 December 2017 16: 35 New
            0
            ... and you didn’t wonder why in the West nothing happens when the government changes? Well, about the collapse of the union ... are you sure that this was inevitable? And was it self-disintegration?
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 11 December 2017 16: 36 New
              +2
              so the same thing: the system should be, and not one-man management and irremovability
              1. Nikolay73
                Nikolay73 11 December 2017 17: 01 New
                +1
                ... the system, you say, the essence of the problem is the desire to devour Russia with all its riches, and we, the citizens of the Russian Federation, are not needed, we have to get rid of the ballast ... ... moreover, this point of view has been ruling for more than a century .. ... nobody will let us create it, for us unity of command and irremovability is the only, at least for now, option to survive ...
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 11 December 2017 19: 07 New
                  +2
                  it is now? Do you need to steal less?
                  1. Nikolay73
                    Nikolay73 12 December 2017 09: 01 New
                    0
                    ... are you asking me? :)
            2. Foxmara
              Foxmara 12 December 2017 15: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Nikolay73
              ..and you didn’t wonder why in the West nothing happens when the power changes?

              Trump isn’t?
              Please, the system crashed, the wrong candidate hit and the civil war almost went. And it's not evening yet. Just like in Ruin - Maidan and impeachment ..?
              Just a control system is not what is voiced.
              1. Nikolay73
                Nikolay73 13 December 2017 08: 51 New
                0
                “Just a control system is not what is voiced.” ... certainly, but about Trump ... well, not our hackers ...
        3. Kent0001
          Kent0001 13 December 2017 23: 35 New
          0
          So you can count, count and ... miscalculate.
      2. turbris
        turbris 11 December 2017 15: 08 New
        0
        Do not be afraid of a cat! Himself dumped and rejoice, we have a replacement for everyone! Are you okay there? Finally began to live as it should? I'm happy for you, you are already there (almost in paradise), so why are you so worried about Russia? She suffered many waves of emigration and somehow managed without those who left and can do without you, don’t worry.
        1. Cat Marquis
          Cat Marquis 11 December 2017 15: 32 New
          +6
          and somehow managed without those who left and can do without you, don’t worry.

          Well, yes, "coped" .... in her usual style: a million corpses of her people there, another million corpses here ".... I agree," do not get used to it "- there are still a lot of people, you can handle it now .... winked
          1. Nikolay73
            Nikolay73 11 December 2017 17: 13 New
            +1
            ... you know, the country whose flag you are writing was very sorry for the Japanese, but are you trying to feel sorry for us? Dont need it, thanks.
            1. Cat Marquis
              Cat Marquis 11 December 2017 20: 19 New
              +2
              Is something wrong with the Japanese now? And with Russia now all is "that"? wink
              1. Nikolay73
                Nikolay73 12 December 2017 09: 03 New
                0
                ... in other words, Russia needs that? Are you okay? Maybe it's time for a doctor?
              2. Foxmara
                Foxmara 12 December 2017 16: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: Marquis Cat
                Is something wrong with the Japanese now?

                Are you talking about the US occupation of Japan? Well, the Japanese cannot oppose anything. As your soldiers raped Japanese women-and rape. They are not even punished for this. Is that what you think? We cannot talk about Japan as a sovereign state. He is not there.
                Don’t worry about us. Worse than hostility with the Anglo-Saxons can only be friendship with them. We remember this and your friendship is in one place to us .. but I don’t cry ..
          2. turbris
            turbris 12 December 2017 14: 27 New
            +1
            You better count how many corpses the US has done in the past 25 years, promoting democracy around the world, so who would mumble .......?
      3. Commander
        Commander 11 December 2017 20: 29 New
        +1
        How many people work in your company to make such a conclusion? ten? 10? 20? How many of them are Russian? Are they definitely citizens of the Russian Federation, and not of Ukraine or from the Baltic states, Belarus or Moldova? Statistics say a completely different thing.
  12. Victor N
    Victor N 11 December 2017 12: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: solzh
    Boldly and truthfully. I wonder how Putin supporters will react to the article

    ..... and the caravan is coming !!!
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 13 December 2017 23: 37 New
      +1
      ....... at the head of Dvorkovich, Chubais and other brothers with iPhone.
  13. afrikanez
    afrikanez 11 December 2017 12: 56 New
    +1
    And who writes this ??? Yes, those who constantly reproach us for interfering in their elections .. Interesting. how they will characterize all their articles and comments. about the election and Putin? Or again, "freedom of speech" ???
  14. Forever so
    Forever so 11 December 2017 13: 02 New
    +8
    Putin is very convenient for Medvedev and Co. the mask of the Father of the nation, cobbled together by the world media, still attracts people. And while the father of the nation accomplishes feats, flies on cranes and fishes, M and Co. continue to de-Russia. Therefore, the galley slave will be to the end, either his own or Russia. Mikhail Zadornov remarkably remarked that Putin would make ratings on TV at least 100%, and he completely lost the respect of PEOPLE.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 11 December 2017 14: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Forever so
      Mikhail Zadornov remarkably remarked that Putin would make ratings on TV at least 100%, and he completely lost the respect of PEOPLE.

      ... Do not forget to add: "the late Mikhail Zadornov"?
      ------------------------------------
      So it is: Putin is a protege of Yeltsin, security officials, Petersburgers, Semibankers ... But - a person who has appeared in a high post, the fate of the country depends on decisions and actions! Which one? Ordinary Russia, the same as the whole of Europe - subordinate to the "gendarme of the planet"? Or - Great Russia, which still needs to be made "Great"? And where to start this "doing greatness"? With the dispersal of those who brought you to power? it is necessary, of course ... but ... But if you do not do this, you will lose this! and "this" is only the beginning of losses ... And then - you lose the country, your own life, probably; there are plenty of examples in history - even recent ones; No wonder Putin is correlated with Gaddafi, Hussein, Assad ...
      -----------------------------
      Shitty, of course, but - at least you can sympathize with a person ?! or - offer an alternative? Given the abundance of comers - such as bulk, Yavlinsky and Sobchak ...
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 11 December 2017 15: 26 New
        +2
        and what, without these persons and no one else? Great is Russia, but there are no players?
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    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 11 December 2017 20: 14 New
      0
      Quote: kunstkammer
      the country was removed from the Olympic Games, we are all waiting for the country to respond to such a slap in the face

      Your suggestions?
      1. Commander
        Commander 11 December 2017 20: 31 New
        +1
        Such as a rule do not have any intelligible suggestions. They would only knock on the clave.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 08: 56 New
          0
          Well, why is there a suggestion. Boycott the Olympics.
          1. Commander
            Commander 12 December 2017 10: 26 New
            +1
            They didn’t let us in there, how to boycott her? You are proposing to ban Russian athletes from performing under the Olympic flag, apparently. How do you do this: ban the exit from the country, put them under house arrest during the Olympics? Or already now? Or immediately to the camp? And those who live abroad? The IOC has already promised them money in advance, will they sew a new uniform? Explain. How can I do that?
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 15: 47 New
              0
              Namely, clearly and frankly say that the authorities do not recommend athletes to fly under the flag of the IOC, all appearances at their own expense without paying premiums. Do not broadcast on federal channels. If the authority of those who wanted to go clearly would say this would be an order of magnitude less.
              1. Commander
                Commander 12 December 2017 17: 23 New
                0
                About the fact that the premium will be, I have not heard. VGTRK announced a boycott of the OI. Moreover, the reaction of GDP is the most correct - you want to go, go. And he does not want to arrange a second Civil War because of the OI. Soviet athletes never blathering, they took and walked calmly under the Olympic flag. Where were you by the way then with your "patriotism"? Strongly outraged?
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 19: 26 New
                  0
                  wink This is how I can directly imagine how Soviet athletes go to the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles, which the USSR boycotted. Do you at least study the issue completely. The fact that you have not heard about the premium does not mean that they will not be! Will be! Yes, the Guarantor with his slurred statement just split the society! How old were you to say in 1984?
                  1. Commander
                    Commander 13 December 2017 09: 51 New
                    0
                    In 1992, everyone unanimously applauded the collapse of the Union. And just Soviet athletes like tennis players and hockey players - in the first place. Eager for the West to earn dough. And they didn’t give a damn about the USSR flag, whose corpse had not yet cooled down, and the Soviet athletes calmly went to the new “CIS countries”, many were members of the CPSU a year ago, and who aren’t - Komsomol members 100%, under the Olympic flag at the opening ceremony, and they played him in the team competition the Olympic anthem for the "gold". And no one blundered, everyone expected a wonderful (personally for each) future in the “new Russia”, while the country with blood was torn apart.
                    1. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 08: 58 New
                      0
                      wink So I tell you the same thing, athletes are businessmen, nothing personal is just business. But in today's realities of supposedly patriotism and Putin, it looks even more cynical. And even if at least one sports “mongrel” went to this Olympics, then at least bark about patriotism. And by the way, the union then in fact collapsed in 1991, in 1992 Russia was formally already with its flag. wink
  16. Overlock
    Overlock 11 December 2017 14: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    And if in general there are not many questions about Putin’s foreign policy, then there are more and more questions to the domestic situation. I really hope that during this period he will pay more attention to internal problems.

    I want to believe in it, but there are very big doubts. Putin did not use faith in him after the Crimea to fight against thieves. Now doubts, who are the main thieves friends or is He?
  17. Overlock
    Overlock 11 December 2017 14: 58 New
    +4
    Quote: Victor N
    And this opens up huge new opportunities.

    one question! Despite such significant economic successes, the number of beggars in the country increased by 2 million and amounted to 22 million (Golikova), and the number of dollar billionaires in Russia increased from 90 to 96 people. So where does this money go? What new opportunities did ordinary Russians have?


  18. Anyone
    Anyone 11 December 2017 15: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Do not confuse the welfare of Western countries that live by robbing others, and the level of welfare in Russia, which builds its welfare itself, and even tries to help others, and even under sanctions. This will agree, different things.

    "But they have blacks lynched" (c)
  19. Overlock
    Overlock 11 December 2017 15: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Boris55
    The article or the opinion of Western journalists given in the article?

    Do you have an alternative view of domestic politics in the country? Everything is growing, everything is moving and will there soon be capitalism? They just didn’t promise to feed on the road1
  20. Overlock
    Overlock 11 December 2017 15: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Commander
    "Military Review" with such articles before our eyes turns into a white-tape resource.

    Do you prefer only one point of view and this point of Medvedev?
    1. Commander
      Commander 11 December 2017 20: 35 New
      0
      Not. I prefer ANALYSIS of problems and SUGGESTIONS for their solution. Specific proposals and evidence-based analysis. And not the slogans "Everyone steals, Putin does nothing." Where are the statistics: here with EBN they planted so much, and with GDP - so much. Or over the years for Putin’s rule. And suggestions: in the legislative sphere, to do this - on the points with an explanation. why it is needed, what consequences it will lead to, and what it takes. It’s enough to feed the slogans ... (underline the necessary, "Down with the privileges of the first secretaries," etc.) we were robbed so that Mama didn’t grieve. And those who hired these screamers raped the gesheft.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 11 December 2017 21: 09 New
        +1
        Is an increase in the number of beggars (Golikov) and an increase in the number of billionaires not statistics? Types in a search engine and search. Is not Vasilyeva statistics?
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 08: 57 New
          +1
          smile Overlock, It’s useless for the Commander to poke facts. He has a high selectivity. He sees only what he wants to see.
        2. Commander
          Commander 12 December 2017 10: 45 New
          0
          Vasiliev is a special case in one criminal case that no one has read on this resource. The number of beggars - there are no such statistics. This is generally an exclusively emotional definition. Compare with 1999, why you pull out only the last figures that are favorable to you. Moreover, they didn’t even read this little article: it says about an increase of 300 people who have (official) incomes below the subsistence level. The difference between 000 and 2016 is 2015%. http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/b0,2_04/IssWWW.exe/Stg/
          d02 / 65.htm
          Putin accepted the country with 29% of the "poor", now there are 13,5 of them. There is no sharp increase in the number of “beggars,” there has been a slight rise, which has already been completed. Sharp - it would if it soared to 26%, or 20 - although this is all flavoring. You need to beat Putin - that’s all right. It took me 15 minutes to figure it out - and you didn’t even try.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 12 December 2017 11: 42 New
            0
            you obviously do not read or listen to government statements. Score in the search engine "Golikova and Golodets beggars in Russia" and enjoy. It is foolish to deny the obvious, especially voiced by the Accounts Chamber and the Government of the Russian Federation
            1. Commander
              Commander 12 December 2017 12: 57 New
              0
              I brought you the data from Rosstat from their website - which is much more official.
              http://www.rline.tv/news/2017-09-26-rosstat-nasch
              ital-v-rossii-21-1-mln-rossiyan-s-dokhodom-nizhe-
              prozhitochnogo-minimuma /
              "According to information, in the I quarter (2017) the number of people living below the poverty line was 22 million people, in the II quarter it fell to 20,2 million and as of the end of June it rose again to 21,1 million people. This is approximately 14,4% of the total population of the country, which is 2016% more than at the end of 0,9. "
              So what is clear from this? That moving a million there, a million here, is a common thing. See the percentages - Putin began with 29% of the “poor”, and now in June - 14,4%. And in 2014 it was more than 15%. What conclusion do you make from these statistics? Cho communism did not come, I think))
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 12 December 2017 13: 45 New
                +1
                I bring you the official data of the head of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation: The number of people living below the poverty line in Russia in the first quarter of this year amounted to 22 million - 1,4 million less than in the first quarter of 2016. This was announced on June 25 by the head of the Accounts Chamber, Tatyana Golikova, on the Russia 1 television channel.

                "The most sensitive indicator for which there are no positive changes that we would like to see is the standard of living of the population. Unfortunately, the number of citizens who are below the poverty line is still high. The first quarter is 22 million people," - she said.


                You suppose. what is Golikova lying?
                More on TASS:
                http://tass.ru/obschestvo/4364384
                1. Commander
                  Commander 12 December 2017 13: 49 New
                  0
                  I posted the same data for you, at least read it. An increase of 300 thousand was in 2016 compared to 2015. I think I wrote clearly. And what does it mean? That the two million growth that impressed you so much is a common thing - today it's growth, tomorrow the same two million is minus.
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 12 December 2017 21: 45 New
                    0
                    what a pity that you are not among these 2 million !!!
                    1. Commander
                      Commander 13 December 2017 10: 06 New
                      0
                      You need to be calmer. In fact, it’s a shame - in my 43 years and with normal health I can’t earn more than 10200 rubles. per month. it is such a living wage in my area of ​​4 square meters. 2017 for the able-bodied population. If a person is not seriously ill or incapacitated due to age, then it is he, and no one else, who is guilty that he lives in poverty. It is he who prefers to thump and inject, play machines and sit in nete, instead of getting a normal education in time and finding a decent job. I lost my job - so if you are a specialist, you can move and find in another city. In addition, I think the calculation method is pretty crafty, given the "gray" salaries. And how interesting do women think on parental leave from 1,5 to 3 years? So far, they have been paid practically nothing, but their husbands keep it.
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 09: 05 New
                        +1
                        laughing Commander, you are even more enchanting companion than Turbris, well, about 30, judging by the construction of phrases, the meager vocabulary and the lack of critical thinking. You have now actually proved by your post that Putin’s main victory in domestic politics is to secure the majority of minimum wages at the expense of large minority wages! I always said Putin must be defended more sophisticatedly.
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 12 December 2017 13: 48 New
                +1
                Is Golodets really a liar, according to you:
                “The poverty that exists and is fixed in the country today is the poverty of the working population. This is a unique phenomenon in the social sphere - the working poor, ”said Golodets at a social forum held in Moscow on Tuesday as part of the Russian Business Week.

                According to the Deputy Prime Minister, about 7,5 million 4 thousand people are now receiving salaries at the level of the minimum wage (910 thousand rubles) in Russia. And despite the fact that the cost of living for the able-bodied population according to the results of the third quarter of 2016 is set at 10 thousand 678 rubles.

                “We do not have such qualifications that are worthy of such a salary - 7,5 thousand rubles. Even if a person has just graduated from an educational school, then his work should be assessed at a slightly different level, ”Golodets explained, urging“ to put together a joint event with the business ”in order to pay attention to enterprises that pay low salaries.

                In early February 2017, the Minister of Labor and Social Protection of the Russian Federation Maxim Topilin predicted that the minimum wage in Russia could be brought to the cost of living for three to five years.

                According to the Federal State Statistics Service, in January-September 2016, 20,3 million Russians, or 13,9% of the country's population, lived below the poverty line. However, Olga Golodets in mid-December 2016 warned that there are many more poor people in Russia.

                “We have very different estimates of the poor statistical and self-esteem of people. And if according to statistical estimates there is an increase in poverty and amounts to 15%, which is already very bad for us, then people's self-awareness is much worse. If we say to a person: “you are not poor,” and he is poor, this is a very difficult situation, ”said Golodets.

                Read more at RBC:
                https://www.rbc.ru/society/14/03/2017/58c7cf0c9a7
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    2. turbris
      turbris 12 December 2017 14: 33 New
      0
      No, it is proposed not to retype the opinion of foreign Russophobes, but to express their own.
  21. Overlock
    Overlock 11 December 2017 15: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: turbris
    what are they doing and for whom are they working?

    to the country. With your phobias it becomes scary. Frighten liberals, eager for power, forgetting that the main liberal Putin. Maybe you are a supporter of the monarchy?
    1. turbris
      turbris 12 December 2017 18: 48 New
      0
      No - I am a supporter of Russia and I do not like Russophobia in any form.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 09: 07 New
        0
        wink Since when did Garant's criticism become Russophobia?
  22. Overlock
    Overlock 11 December 2017 15: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Masya Masya
    not time to put on public display ...

    fears? Whom? Another tower of the Kremlin?
  23. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 11 December 2017 15: 51 New
    +3
    If you throw out the dregs of the type of squeezing Crimea, the war in Syria and Ukraine, then in general the authors are right. This is dangerous! It turns out that the collective West very accurately calculated everything and will beat further and stronger!
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 11 December 2017 16: 17 New
      0
      why was Presidential election day postponed to election day in Crimea on the 14th?
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 11 December 2017 17: 20 New
        0
        smile Overlock I do not know! If enlighten, I will be grateful.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 11 December 2017 19: 09 New
          0
          March 18, 2014 referendum in Crimea on independence
          the road bridge to Crimea will be handed over by March
          This should add optimism on election day.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 11 December 2017 20: 18 New
            0
            smile Hmmmm, well this will certainly add optimism, but as one comrade was right, until March a lot of water will leak and he listed not the best factors that won’t add optimism to the electorate.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 11 December 2017 21: 09 New
              0
              still find positive. But Crimea is a flag!
          2. turbris
            turbris 12 December 2017 14: 34 New
            0
            In fact, the bridge is being built for residents of the Crimea, and not for elections.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 12 December 2017 15: 10 New
              0
              in fact, they planned to put the bridge into operation by June 2018! Why attack? Fulfill the five-year plan in 3 years? Tell the children.
              And not only Crimeans need the bridge, but everyone.
              And we are not talking about the fact that the bridge is being built for the elections. cleverly you are misinterpreting everything, aren't you ashamed?
  24. samarin1969
    samarin1969 11 December 2017 17: 29 New
    +2
    About losing the idea, the “strategic impasse” and the comparison with Brezhnev - it’s actually true ... Leonid Ilyich also loved stability and didn’t really “shake frames” .... Well, these facts can still be challenged by measuring with an unfinished glass.
    But the progressive technological backwardness is just depressing. ... The Chinese, Turks, Indians, Persians, Koreans quite themselves move up the "percentage of localization." ... In the Russian Federation, from any product from a rocket to a toothpick stick out "ears" of imported components.
    1. groks
      groks 11 December 2017 21: 03 New
      +3
      Under Ilyich everything was slowly but growing. And in any case - as soon as he raised an eyebrow and half of the world shuddered. It is impossible to imagine that the Americans could bomb anyone in the country where the Soviet contingent was. And now the Foreign Ministry has ceased to express concern.
      1. Commander
        Commander 12 December 2017 10: 47 New
        +1
        At the same time, Ilyich was kicked later that we helped half the world. and the roads themselves are not paved, the villages are not gasified.
        1. groks
          groks 12 December 2017 13: 42 New
          0
          By the way, they wanted to assign our former governor for "gasification".
          And Ilyich slowly paved and gasified. Another thing is that in our climate, asphalt does not really hold.
    2. turbris
      turbris 12 December 2017 14: 52 New
      0
      Now no one in the world can master the production of high-tech goods alone - globalization!
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 15: 52 New
        +1
        Come on! Yes, all high-tech products are the know-how of either a country or a corporation, and they fully master them. But industrial production is just a hodgepodge.
        1. turbris
          turbris 13 December 2017 13: 11 New
          0
          Well, here you are again about what you don’t know about. Tell me the know-how of any country - there are none, there are only the know-how of corporations, and they are mostly international.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 09: 09 New
            0
            wink Turbris, tell Rosatom is an international corporation?
  25. Overlock
    Overlock 11 December 2017 21: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: groks
    But where did Sechin actually have a suitcase of cash?

    great question? Where did the money come from, Zin. and in such quantity at the civil servant?
    1. Commander
      Commander 12 December 2017 10: 48 New
      0
      so you would at least read not even the case, but the fact that the press writes about this. For a very long time this question was chewed.
  26. Overlock
    Overlock 11 December 2017 21: 12 New
    0
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Judging by the number of cars on the streets of cities of different price categories

    you want to say. What did all these state employees buy for salaries? We are not talking about those with Lexus or BMW. We are talking about those who have a Muscovite and a Cossack or just a refrigerator!
    1. turbris
      turbris 12 December 2017 14: 54 New
      0
      Yes, you know they buy for a salary, save up, sometimes they buy on credit, but do you think everyone steals?
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 12 December 2017 15: 12 New
        +1
        everyone's salaries are different. Another discussion is not about those who have such salaries, but about those who have SUCH salaries:
        Oksana AFONINA (Lotoshino, Moscow Region)

        HOLY AND HUNGARY OUR PEOPLE!

        I throw a stone at your garden
        In beautiful ties dumb mutt!
        Why don’t you love people so much
        Feeding your righteous assholes?
        Who am I? I am an ordinary nurse.
        I live, I feed children on 10.300.
        And there is no longer hope for Christ.
        More and more often I remember the Communists ...
        Teacher, doctor - there is pride and honor ...
        The leader of the plant is honor and glory.
        And the resort is healing every year
        The country sent its workers.
        And I'm sitting and crying. How do i live?
        I am not a lazy person, I am a citizen of Russia!
        I teach children to love my homeland,
        But here for what - they cannot explain to them ...
        My father did not live up to retirement ...
        He fed his family, could not stand the load ...
        And I always paid to the pension fund!
        Where is his money? To children? Fuck those Russian!
        And mother, having survived two heart attacks,
        She taught children our Russian speech,
        As a result, a cookie with butter received ...
        Why does the state cripple us so?
        Holy and Naked Our people
        Donates a penny to children for salvation,
        And the father on a jeep shakes past,
        Wishing everyone universal patience.
        The daughter wants to sing and dance
        Studying at school for one five ...
        But what can a medical mom give her?
        Once a month, meat ... How bitter it is!
        A mighty, great country
        You are an unshakable power ...
        So why don't you value a damn
        Ordinary people who created your glory?
  27. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 11 December 2017 22: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: kunstkammer
    the country was removed from the Olympic Games, we are all waiting for the country to respond to such a slap in the face

    Your suggestions?

    the question is not about my salary ... let Mutko, pretty fortified by caviar and champagne at the state expense, issue his proposals. And the rest of the funky, numerous, bureaucratic fraternity let them scratch their well-fed turnips at least a little.
    And then, if you walk on state funds, that’s what they deserve, and if you give suggestions, they ask me that. It won’t come out, sir!
  28. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 11 December 2017 22: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Commander
    Such as a rule do not have any intelligible suggestions. They would only knock on the clave.

    it didn’t hurt someone to kick in the ass ... They became too thick from idleness, they occupy several responsible chairs ... they manage to do it everywhere. Not interchangeable directly.
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  30. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 12 December 2017 06: 18 New
    +2
    Sweet western dreams of appealing for help to them touched. What help can they provide? We recall Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, and many other countries where Western aid triumphantly came, in view of the triumph of democracy.
    In each of these countries, industry and infrastructure were destroyed, many people died from hostilities, many people continue to die, most of the citizens are in poverty.
    The situation with Western help can be characterized by the slogan
    “Do you have minerals, the state provides social support measures, you have beautiful well-groomed cities and there are dissatisfied with the lack of a golden toilet in each house? Then we will go to you, there will be democracy, we will destroy your ruler, you can calmly kill each other, to starve, we will drop democratizing bombs on you, we will become owners of the land and the bowels of the earth: you will become free, including from the right to life. " Western democracy.
    Let the people of Russia pass Western democracy
  31. 7gor
    7gor 12 December 2017 06: 32 New
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    Yes, not ideal! Yes, not without mistakes! But, I am glad that during his presidency I made a lot of conclusions for myself!
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 09: 03 New
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      I also made many conclusions.
      1. turbris
        turbris 12 December 2017 14: 56 New
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        This is very good when a thinking person draws conclusions, and does not focus on unreliable facts and evidence.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 15: 54 New
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          wink I understand that they wrote to themselves? It is so nice to communicate with a smart person! Is that right? wink
          1. turbris
            turbris 12 December 2017 16: 18 New
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            Right! But I only wrote about you lol
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 16: 40 New
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              smile No no! You wrote about yourself.
  32. turbris
    turbris 12 December 2017 16: 17 New
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    Quote: Overlock
    March 18, 2014 referendum in Crimea on independence
    the road bridge to Crimea will be handed over by March
    This should add optimism on election day.

    So what have I misunderstood, how do you put it?
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 12 December 2017 21: 58 New
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      You say: "Actually, the bridge is being built for the residents of Crimea, and not for elections."
      ----------------------------
      Dig deeper: where in my words are doubts about the need for a bridge?
      It is about the deadlines for its delivery by March 18, 2018.

      On my question about the deadlines, you contrast the expediency of building a bridge
      1. turbris
        turbris 13 December 2017 13: 06 New
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        Don’t evade, I didn’t say anything about the feasibility of building the bridge, you put it, the construction of the highway bridge will add enthusiasm on election day, I replied that the bridge was not being built for elections, so that’s all right.
  33. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 18: 41 New
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    Quote: Commander
    And who do you think the prosecutor is? The prosecution is the same as the defense. The number of poor at first has been declining steadily since 2000, in 2015 it has grown, but now it’s lower or higher in quarters. And what does this prove? What communism did not come about? The poor - of course there are, they will be. According to statistics, where the self-employed hide their incomes, so in real life, for a whole range of reasons. So far no one has been able to build the kingdom of God on earth, for tens of thousands of years of human history, but do you demand from Putin for 17 years? It's business to diversify the economy, it’s so easy and simple, but the malignant Vlad doesn’t want to, so you argue? No one can be beaten to the law - but many are scored, you too, and I exceeded the speed twice as much - and what, is Putin to blame?

    Fi, Commander, I did not expect a drain from you. I think that you yourself feel the puffiness of your arguments wink
    1. turbris
      turbris 12 December 2017 18: 53 New
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      Oh god He spoke again about the arguments! Where do you have them? Write already something without your "arguments", if you rummage around, you can even find a couple of thoughts in your own head. negative
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 14 December 2017 09: 11 New
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        wink Ku-ku Turbris! Somewhere in the title is your nickname?
  34. askme
    askme 13 December 2017 11: 19 New
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    Quote: Alber
    while a significant part of the common people have no work
    Russia now has the lowest unemployment rate in recent years, if that. Change the training manual.
  35. Overlock
    Overlock 14 December 2017 10: 00 New
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    Quote: turbris
    that the bridge is not being built for elections, so everything is right.

    Why are storming and surrender to the election? That's the question!! So you're lying
  36. Radikal
    Radikal 15 December 2017 11: 21 New
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    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    how many years did Gagarin fly into space after WWII? and GDP in power?

    During the Second World War only part of the USSR was destroyed (before the Volga). Putin got a completely destroyed country (from the western borders to the Pacific Ocean).

    Putin, Medvedev are people representing their clan-corporate groups and defending their interests. Putin represents the security forces, Medvedev-bourgeois. From the fact that the name of the prime minister from Medvedev will change to Pupkin - their policies will not change.
    By and large, the difference between the siloviks and the bourgeoisie is that some want to manage the wealth of Russia themselves, and for this they need a strong army and the Russian Guard, while others dream of finding a master and presenting Russia on a platter for permission to lick the lord’s boots.
    The times of the seven-boyars (https://snob.ru/selected/entry/30178), when the oligarchs appointed from the State Department opened the doors in all rooms of the Kremlin with their feet, are over. Putin managed to remove them from direct participation in government. Also in the person of Shaimiev it was possible to remove the regional grouping, in the person of Luzhkov - Moscow.
    By the year 2000, everything was ready for the collapse of the country. 24 republics were formed in the nutria of Russia. To evade responsibility, a play was played with the departure of Yeltsin and the appointment of Putin. The Far Eastern republic was created in all, the Siberian one with the statement of Lebed: “There is no land beyond the Urals”, after which his helicopter became entangled in high-voltage wires, Ural (http://chel.mk.ru/articles/2011/12/07/ 650453-ura
    lskaya-respublika-kotoroy-ne-byilo.html) led by Rossel in the whole Ural franc print (pay attention to the date on the bills).



    The swan that signed the Khasavyurt world, according to which Chechnya became a separate state a year later, essentially launched the collapse of Russia. And this is not counting national entities. In Bashkiria, Tatarstan, militants were training in full. The North Caucasus did not essentially recognize the central authority. Yeltsin’s words: “Take as much as you can” were welcomed by the local princes with joy. All of them were waiting for the central government to finally fall and all responsibility for robbing the people, for unpaid salaries, pensions, allowances, etc., could be blamed. on her. Local laws were recognized above national laws. Intersectoral balance was upset. Destroyed all business ties between enterprises. Equipment and property looted. First of all, enterprises of strategic importance were destroyed. If we compare the Pentagon’s maps of nuclear strikes on the territory of the USSR, then they coincide with the destruction of just those industries.



    Here is such a country went to Putin. His first priority is restoring the integrity of the state. The second Chechen - showed everyone else that the government is ready to go to the power option to save the state.
    The second is to restore the power of the army and feed the people.
    The third, solved by him today, is to get rid of dependence on the Fed.

    Only when the country is more or less independent can we proceed to resolve the issue with the bourgeoisie.

    "Blessed is he who believes!" About ten years later, you will be “upset” that you wrote this ... yes