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Bondarev: Russia will prepare "even more powerful weapons" when the United States withdraws from the INF Treaty

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The signing of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles between Russia and the United States thirty years ago saved the world from a catastrophe, said on Friday the head of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security, Viktor Bondarev.


Bondarev recalled that on the eve of the signing of the document, the situation in the world arena was “heated to the limit”.

Bondarev: Russia will prepare "even more powerful weapons" when the United States withdraws from the INF Treaty


There was a new round of the Cold War, which was about to threaten into fighting. We with the United States synchronously increased our military potential
- noted the parliamentarian.

According to him, the entire class of the most dangerous weapons, including ballistic and ground-based cruise missiles with a range of 500-5500 kilometers.

Not without some excesses, of course.
- noted Bondarev. -
For example, our tactical complex "Oka" (on the basis of which they subsequently developed the Iskander OTRK) was unjustifiably included in the prohibited category


Unfortunately, our counterparties periodically try to turn this point into a comma, then quietly, breaking the contract, then openly announcing the imminent withdrawal from it. In case of the latter, Russia has something to answer; our technical capabilities allow us to prepare even more powerful weapons for the troops
- the senator assured.

At the same time, Bondarev stressed the need to comply with the provisions of the INF Treaty, noting that now, in a crisis international situation, this document is the guarantor of at least partial deterrence of a number of threats from a potential adversary.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 8 December 2017 21: 07 New
    +7
    Base in Cuba?
    1. Going
      Going 8 December 2017 21: 09 New
      11
      That would be good, but you can already without it.
      1. hrych
        hrych 8 December 2017 21: 13 New
        43
        Quote: Going
        but you can already without

        We always have something to answer, even to Ozzy Osbourne wassat
        1. Going
          Going 8 December 2017 21: 17 New
          17
          Do you think this is worse than a vigorous charge? belay laughing
          1. hrych
            hrych 8 December 2017 21: 19 New
            +9
            Quote: Going
            Do you think this is worse than a vigorous charge?

            Least laughing
            1. maxim947
              maxim947 8 December 2017 21: 26 New
              +7
              Bondarev: Russia will prepare "even more powerful weapons" when the United States withdraws from the INF Treaty

              The "partners" are only waiting for this, to convince those who doubt that Russia is still an aggressor and drive us into the next arms race. But on the other hand, we are left with no choice? unless part of the ICBMs beyond the Urals can be redirected where necessary.
              1. Going
                Going 8 December 2017 21: 35 New
                13
                May we not come to this race, let them wait for health.
                1. maxim947
                  maxim947 8 December 2017 21: 37 New
                  +3
                  I agree, let them wait and grit their teeth.
                  1. Going
                    Going 8 December 2017 21: 40 New
                    +4
                    Their creak does not bother us, if only they would not take any initiatives, but we did not overlook, now all of B.V. because of Jerusalem it’s burning.
                    1. maxim947
                      maxim947 8 December 2017 21: 43 New
                      +4
                      We can’t foresee everything everywhere, especially when their brain function is constantly aimed at some kind of muck and provocation
                      1. Galaxy
                        Galaxy 8 December 2017 21: 47 New
                        +5
                        Exiting the INF Treaty is a "rake" for Russia, we need to work smarter, the US has no threat, only Europe will be scared ... But we will regret ourselves later ....
                      2. Going
                        Going 8 December 2017 21: 47 New
                        +4
                        That's the whole trouble, their elephant thinks that in this way he will seize our initiative on B.V.
                      3. maxim947
                        maxim947 8 December 2017 21: 53 New
                        +4
                        that in this way he will seize our initiative on B.V.

                        Israel and Palestine are far from the whole BV, but as a point of the report of the next mess, it will completely come down.
                      4. Sirocco
                        Sirocco 9 December 2017 11: 13 New
                        +3
                        We can’t foresee everything everywhere, especially when their brain function is constantly aimed at some kind of muck and provocation said for a long time, it is necessary to fight with the USA where it is not working out well, it is their own territory, they expect us to get involved again where they are swimming masters, we don’t want to swim with maggots in the fictitious masses)))) impose their agenda on them yesterday. And do not play on their field and their conditions, that is what they have prepared for us, and are looking forward to when we make a mistake.
              2. hrych
                hrych 8 December 2017 21: 36 New
                12
                Quote: maxim947
                "Partners" are just waiting for this.

                since 2015, 3 batteries of 8 SM-3 Block IB missiles / total: 24 pieces are launched from launchers, which are also suitable for Tomahawk. We made it even prettier in response; we installed the CD on Iskander’s mobile installation. However, all this does not threaten the territory of the USA, but the EU. Therefore, the words of Bondarev refer specifically to the United States, and this is Cuba, Status-6, Boundary on Anadyr, Sarmat, etc., including the bottom ICBM am
                1. Going
                  Going 8 December 2017 21: 42 New
                  11
                  including bottom ICBM


                  That is why you immediately show your trump card.
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 8 December 2017 21: 58 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Going
                    That is why you immediately show your trump card.

                    Let's just say that the basis of the sea-based ICBMs of the USSR were liquid missiles (though the majority are now), R-39 Sharks, and it’s necessary to admit that it’s not very ... But lowering the Mace in the container is not a great task, or rather unlike using a carrier in the form of a nuclear submarine, it’s much easier. It is believed that the nuclear submarines Khabarovsk and Belgorod can not only be the bearers of Status-6, but also miners near the bottom of ICBMs ...
                    1. Going
                      Going 8 December 2017 22: 04 New
                      +5
                      After this, they will definitely settle in a wagtail, but seriously, I’m certainly not a great specialist, but bottom-hole P.U. for various types of missiles were successfully introduced and they are self-propelled, though one way, to the designated square.
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 8 December 2017 22: 32 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Going
                        but near-bottom P.U. for various types of missiles have been successfully implemented

                        I turned down about ICBMs, Skiff is probably just a BR, the range is unknown. nothing is known at all
                        https://cont.ws/@moria4ok/80602
                        Just a short and medium range missile, but in the Bermuda Triangle wassat
                      2. Monos
                        Monos 9 December 2017 14: 35 New
                        +3
                        Quote: hrych
                        I turned down about ICBMs, Skiff is probably just a BR, the range is unknown. nothing is known at all

                        In topic:
                2. ser-pov
                  ser-pov 8 December 2017 22: 27 New
                  +4
                  Not only! You can score on the status not to militarize the Arctic and put rockets there, and Cuba is not needed! The flying time to pin.dos is minimal and no one has the Caribbean crisis! And the bases are ready ...
              3. Going
                Going 8 December 2017 21: 59 New
                +5
                Quote: Galaxy
                Exiting the INF Treaty is a "rake" for Russia, we need to work smarter, the US has no threat, only Europe will be scared ... But we will regret ourselves later ....

                And that Russia agreed to withdraw, it is the United States that is looking for a way to make Russia exit itself.
            2. vovanpain
              vovanpain 8 December 2017 22: 36 New
              16
              Quote: Going
              You think it's worse than a vigorous charge

              Quote: hrych
              Least

              Come on, I understand them all, it’s better to survive a nuclear strike than to see this at night. fellow laughing hi
              1. Suhow
                Suhow 9 December 2017 00: 18 New
                +5
                Uh ... goodbye to the liver. For a night you can give a gray-haired womanizer and a star to give, if you don’t give a heart in the morning ... Krasapeta.
              2. ul_vitalii
                ul_vitalii 9 December 2017 06: 14 New
                +8
                Nothing, pretty.
            3. 210ox
              210ox 9 December 2017 05: 31 New
              +2
              I always thought Ozie was a woman ... wassat
              Quote: hrych
              Quote: Going
              Do you think this is worse than a vigorous charge?

              Least laughing
            4. INVESTOR
              INVESTOR 9 December 2017 09: 47 New
              0
              But what about "we will not get involved in the arms race"?
              1. hrych
                hrych 9 December 2017 10: 09 New
                +2
                We have already won the nuclear missile arms race, therefore, in the camp of the enemy there is panic, but they can’t do anything, we got carried away by aircraft carriers, stealth and precision weapons, and we lost.
            5. gorez.69
              gorez.69 9 December 2017 10: 27 New
              +3
              Reagan - Khrushchev: - We will drop a biological bomb on the Soviet Union. Then all living things will disappear in you, and all values ​​will remain untouched. Khrushchev replies: "But we will drop the command of warrant officers to America. Reagan, what is this? Khrushchev is when everyone is alive, but nothing remains lol
        2. poquello
          poquello 8 December 2017 21: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: hrych
          Quote: Going
          but you can already without

          We always have something to answer, even to Ozzy Osbourne wassat

          No, it doesn’t pull on Ozzy, I’m interested in another topic - will dill apply for three Crimean karakurt? They will be from the Crimea.
          1. hrych
            hrych 8 December 2017 21: 24 New
            +6
            Quote: poquello
            Ozzy does not pull

            Scared and the iron homosexual?
            1. Going
              Going 8 December 2017 21: 36 New
              +5
              If Ellie accompanies them.
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 8 December 2017 21: 36 New
            +7
            What has fallen is gone. THE USSR.
            1. Going
              Going 8 December 2017 21: 42 New
              +2
              They managed to catch something.
            2. poquello
              poquello 8 December 2017 21: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: sabakina
              What fell, it's gone.
              THE USSR.

              +++++++++++++++++++++++++)
      2. Kasym
        Kasym 8 December 2017 21: 18 New
        +8
        Ground-based "caliber", which is prohibited by this agreement (underwater, surface and air versions are allowed). With ships launch range of two thousand. It remains PU with all the attendant economic on wheels to put. hi
        1. poquello
          poquello 8 December 2017 21: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Kasym
          Ground-based "caliber", which is prohibited by this agreement (underwater, surface and air versions are allowed). With ships launch range of two thousand. It remains PU with all the attendant economic on wheels to put. hi

          the obvious ones are a banal option, of course, but something else
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 8 December 2017 21: 36 New
          +8
          Kasym
          With ships launch range of two thousand. It remains PU with all the attendant economic on wheels to put.
          Back in the summer, Vladimir Putin said: “The answer will be instant.” Everything has already been done. “The Bastion launcher and the Iskander are suitable for this task. And the Caliber should not be put on wheels but X101 minimum. With a range of 5000 km. if you take into account the information (there was an article on the VO) where in Russia they create cruise missiles with a launch range of 7000 km. So you involuntarily catch yourself thinking that the Americans opened such a pandora’s box with their missile defense and withdrawal from the INF Treaty. the situation will be oh how difficult. I’m silent about plans to increase the power of charges. And exotic delivery vehicles.
          1. hrych
            hrych 8 December 2017 21: 44 New
            +3
            Quote: Observer2014
            "PU" Bastion "

            In Syria, Onyx was used for ground targets for a reason.
            Quote: Observer2014
            not "Caliber" to put on wheels and X101 minimum

            X-101 - aircraft, does not have an accelerator with a turbojet engine, and Caliber, that with RTOs, that with a mobile launcher is not a problem to smell drinks
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 8 December 2017 21: 55 New
              +5
              hrych hi
              X-101 - aircraft, does not have an accelerator with turbojet engine
              "winding" the accelerator is not a big problem for our specialists.
              and Caliber, that with RTOs, that with mobile PU to smell is not a problem
              It’s yes for Europe. But stripy shugs. There’s a better range. And in general, with data on the range of launches of our missiles, even their Wikipedia is in doubt. So anything can be there. For example, with a nuclear warhead there is (Wikipedia) infa that X101 flies 9000.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 8 December 2017 22: 10 New
                +2
                In my opinion, Caliber is the cheapest option. The range is sufficient to cover the entire continent. The bastion and the X-101 are more expensive in my opinion. The first for a moving target, the other for greater range. hi
                1. just exp
                  just exp 8 December 2017 23: 32 New
                  0
                  a bastion is generally a RCC, what it can hit and on ground targets is a side effect, and recently the X-35s have been taught how to work on the ground. and the X-101 there range is more than 2 times, therefore, it will be more expensive. in addition, the caliber cannot carry nuclear weapons, unlike the X-101 (102).
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 9 December 2017 10: 32 New
                    +1
                    Quote: just EXPL
                    in addition, the caliber cannot carry nuclear weapons, unlike the X-101 (102).

                    Why is that? His dad Grenade under the nuclear weapons (ZM10 from ZM14 does not seem to differ at all) and was created, the special charge itself can be twice or three times lighter than the mine, increasing the range. All of our samples of powerful missiles, including anti-ship missiles and missiles (in particular the 5V55S missile of the S-300 complex), and even more so strategic missiles, which include Caliber, X-101/102, X-55 with their modifications (from 200 to 500 kilotons ), all carriers of nuclear weapons and this is not even discussed. Unlike the United States, we have a different concept for the use of weapons, where nuclear is the basis.
              2. helmi8
                helmi8 8 December 2017 23: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: Observer2014
                In general, with data on the range of launches of our missiles, even their Wikipedia is in doubt.

                Do you want to know the real performance characteristics, and even from Wikipedia? lol
            2. Don
              Don 8 December 2017 22: 04 New
              0
              Quote: hrych
              In Syria, Onyx was used for ground targets for a reason.

              Please, it’s possible for more details, when, who and for what purposes, otherwise I probably missed. With the repair of his apartment, be it wrong, only in the evenings it turns out to browse the news, and then not always hi
              1. Observer2014
                Observer2014 8 December 2017 22: 14 New
                +3
                Don
                Please, it’s possible for more details, when, who and for what purposes, otherwise I probably missed. With the repair of his apartment, be it wrong, only in the evenings it turns out to browse the news, and then not always
                So it was probably already a year ago.

                1. Don
                  Don 8 December 2017 22: 18 New
                  0
                  Quote: Observer2014
                  So it was probably a year ago

                  No, Hrych wrote about the Onyx attacks on ground targets, and this is already very interesting. I’m interested in the details: what is the launch range, radius of circular deviation, well, and the carrier from which the blows were delivered.
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 8 December 2017 22: 24 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Donskoy
                    Hrych wrote about Onyx attacks on ground targets

                    Onyx is a regular rocket of the Bastion complex, 36 seconds of the first video of the Observer, and
                    https://ria.ru/syria/20161115/1481421070.html
                    1. Don
                      Don 8 December 2017 22: 55 New
                      0
                      So, target designation was from the side?
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 8 December 2017 23: 10 New
                        0
                        Quote: Donskoy
                        So, target designation was from the side?

                        It is beyond the horizon, when applied from ships, it also requires external target designation (satellite, UAV, ZGRLS, etc.)
        3. ser-pov
          ser-pov 8 December 2017 22: 33 New
          +1
          If allowed from the ice, for example in the Arctic, is no longer terrestrial ...
        4. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 8 December 2017 22: 47 New
          +6
          Who told you that there is no such complex
          It is even more effective as an alternative to BZHRK


          TTX missiles:
          Length:
          - 11.2 m
          - 12.982 m (estimated estimated data from the source - Nikolaev)
          Case Diameter:
          - 1.36 m
          - 1st and 2nd steps - 1.363 m (estimated estimates for the source - Nikolaev)
          - 3rd stage - 1.16 m (estimated estimated data from the source - Nikolaev)

          Starting weight:
          - about 15000 kg (initial stage of the project)
          - about 17000 kg (final version of the project)
          - 16838 kg (estimated estimates for the source - Nikolaev)
          The mass thrown:
          - 500 kg
          - 530 kg (estimated estimates for the source - Nikolaev)

          Range:
          - 10000-11000 km (estimate)
          - 10000 km (estimated estimates for the source - Nikolaev)
          QUO - no more than 350 m
          Engines operating time - 120 s (estimated estimates for source - Nikolaev)

          Operating temperature - from -40 to + 50 degrees C
          Start-up wind speed - up to 25 m / s

          Types of warheads: nuclear monoblock capacity of 100-150 ct (option - 0.5 Mt - estimated estimated data from source - Nikolaev), possibly with a complex of missile defense facilities (KSP).


          Or "Frontier", the maximum range of 2000-6000 km (may vary)
          1. hrych
            hrych 8 December 2017 23: 23 New
            +1
            This is in the video Redoubt and not Boundary. Coastal missile system "Redut" with anti-ship missiles.
            https://topwar.ru/93335-beregovoy-raketnyy-komple
            ks-redut.html
      3. Lavrenti Pavlovich
        Lavrenti Pavlovich 8 December 2017 23: 00 New
        +3
        We must be the first to deliver a nuclear strike on the minke whales, and then no one will call us an aggressor. If you believe the articles on VO, then our super weapon will prevent a retaliatory strike, or our air defense, missile defense, electronic warfare ... is no better than the others and then we better sit and not vomit.
    2. Chichikov
      Chichikov 8 December 2017 21: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: Theodore
      Base in Cuba?
      Or Iskander, with the second step!
      1. poquello
        poquello 8 December 2017 21: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Chichikov
        Quote: Theodore
        Base in Cuba?
        Or Iskander, with the second step!

        they’ll make some thread with a berry, there’s a lot of caliber there - you can push a lot of modern
    3. svp67
      svp67 8 December 2017 21: 25 New
      +6
      Quote: Theodore
      Base in Cuba?

      The base, the base ... but something needs to be established there and as I understand it, we already have a decision on what to do if the United States withdraws from the INF Treaty. And there is confidence that this answer will be much cheaper than they expect our opponents ...
      1. Grits
        Grits 10 December 2017 06: 38 New
        +1
        Why do we need Cuba? We have Franz Josef Land, the north of Novaya Zemlya, Severnaya Zemlya, Novosibirsk islands. If there you dig in the permafrost mines for missile launchers RSMD, then enough is enough to America. Yes, and launch launchers there will be very helpful.
        And without leaving the contract, it is possible to bring a ship with such CDs to the pier on these islands, and let them be frozen frozen even in the ice, the terms of the contract will be observed.
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 8 December 2017 21: 35 New
      +5
      I am sure it’s already been ready for a long time) to uncover remains))
    5. allegro
      allegro 8 December 2017 21: 41 New
      +1
      base in Cuba?, unfortunately the train left, you had to think with your own head, not the staff
    6. family
      family tree 8 December 2017 22: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Theodore
      Base in Cuba?

      First of all, they will cover, although they will.
      RIAC at NATO bases in Europe.
      Yes, let it go out, Iskanders in Koenig, and Gauges in the Club-K variant should not be thrown off the railway platforms for a short time, but at the expense of the special warhead, it was necessary to invent BN with this plutonium what Ishsho would be physicists and mathematicians, instead of economists from the HSE, their mother in mathematics!
    7. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 8 December 2017 23: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Theodore
      Base in Cuba?

      Probably this is no longer relevant. When at one of the briefings, journalists asked Putin about plans to deploy a base in Vietnam, he replied: “But why? Who we need, we will get it anyway.”
    8. edge
      edge 9 December 2017 08: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Theodore
      Base in Cuba

      why only Cuba, we get from Venezuela or Nicaragua
    9. sub307
      sub307 9 December 2017 10: 56 New
      0
      Something in the text, in addition to the title, did not find mention of a more powerful weapon ....
  2. solzh
    solzh 8 December 2017 21: 11 New
    +5
    In other words, a new arms race will begin (or have already begun).
    1. Going
      Going 8 December 2017 21: 14 New
      +9
      It is already coming, only Russia does not want to appear on it, and the USA is waiting for everyone.
  3. bald
    bald 8 December 2017 21: 15 New
    +3
    You fooled once, but we believed or maybe our kurvy --- we must and we will make our weapons and you goats, we are not ordered.
    1. Going
      Going 8 December 2017 21: 18 New
      +3
      So we don’t seem to ask.
      1. bald
        bald 8 December 2017 21: 39 New
        0
        forgive me - not about you
        1. Going
          Going 8 December 2017 21: 49 New
          +2
          What did you mean ? belay
          1. bald
            bald 9 December 2017 04: 48 New
            0
            I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I exacerbated the excess.
  4. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 8 December 2017 21: 33 New
    +3
    In principle, even now Russia is already using special weapons :) trolls of the descendants of convicts with all kinds of exotic killers, and they buy and whine, they spend money on the development of something flying and killing there, although in the end, as always, the irons get out ... with the cost many zeros
    1. Going
      Going 8 December 2017 21: 38 New
      +3
      Just do not tell them about it, let them stamp a lot of money.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 December 2017 01: 58 New
      +2
      One of the killers is a hydrogen bomb with a cumulative or electric pulse "fuse" - a clean nuclear weapon
  5. allegro
    allegro 8 December 2017 21: 36 New
    +5
    the country laughs at the "mirror" answers, where they are, and here we will "answer" again, by which, the Soviet developments for the future have come to an end, and who will do something now, there is nobody and nothing to do, then there were specialists and a designer, the strongest industry, and now managers and some offices, and as you know, managers can’t create
  6. bald
    bald 8 December 2017 21: 36 New
    0
    Guys please explain. What is the market, about some trunks - not tired?
  7. Hunter
    Hunter 8 December 2017 21: 38 New
    +9
    I always liked this photo ..

    And all these bastard contracts ..
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 8 December 2017 21: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Hunter
      I always liked this photo ..

      And all these bastard contracts ..

      Prailno. We will appoint Shoigu as Prime Minister, and Zhirinovsky as Minister of Defense. Business, and even boots on the remote will not need to be thrown.
  8. Simon
    Simon 8 December 2017 21: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Theodore
    In the case of the latter, Russia has something to answer, our technical capabilities allow us to prepare even more powerful weapons for the troops as soon as possible

    Yeah! And to put there our more powerful weapon, apparently a secret one. I wonder what will happen to the Americans recourse Which they heard about, but don’t know - which one? wassat
  9. Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 8 December 2017 22: 01 New
    +2
    "Bondarev: Russia will prepare an" even more powerful weapon "when the US withdraws from the INF Treaty."
    yes ... North Korea is all ... Citizen Bondarev, you are some kind of Chushhe ... and ordinary citizens have to survive for a maximum of 20 thousand rubles.
    1. Anchonsha
      Anchonsha 8 December 2017 22: 19 New
      +6
      Lone gunman
      Offer yourself something else, but worthwhile, not a sofa. Or bow to the Americans?
  10. Simon
    Simon 8 December 2017 22: 08 New
    0
    Quote: bald
    Guys please explain. What is the market, about some trunks - not tired?

    So, there are a lot of trunks in the forest! You never know what they are called - maybe "Birch"maybe"bird-cherry"maybe"oak" or even "nut“some ?! If the nut is heated in the stove, it can fly into the eye. So, let all aggressors not tease us! There will be a kayuk. negative soldier
  11. Star
    Star 8 December 2017 22: 13 New
    +2
    Protection is always more expensive ....
    An open auction should be held with five old warheads, but with vigorous stuffing.
    I wonder how much they will cost the Americans to buy them.
    And then another auction and still, you look and their printing press will overheat .....
    Generally go out and go out with a dance ...
  12. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 8 December 2017 22: 16 New
    +2
    It is not profitable for us to create our military base on the American continent, as this will require enormous resources. We need to create more sophisticated means for a lightning-fast response to all attacks of the "exceptional creature" anywhere in the world and even more so throughout the United States, so that they do not crawl into us with their NATO.
  13. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 8 December 2017 23: 50 New
    +1
    Bondarev, have the Barguzins already been prepared? Are they on the siding? Hollows ....
    1. hrych
      hrych 9 December 2017 10: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Yuriy71
      Bondarev, have the Barguzins already been prepared? Are they on the siding? Hollows ....

      And you yourself think a little, creating a train to Yars is not a problem, unlike the giant Molodets, but .... the Russian Railways network is a common place for civil and commercial communications, with all the consequences of disguise, security, etc. Operation is very expensive. Previously, there were no mobile soil complexes with ICBMs, but now they carry dividing blocks. And the cheapest in operation, although they consume fuel when moving, but the same mine - an expensive and complex engineering structure, requiring large costs during operation and as a stationary object - is vulnerable.
  14. Makarov
    Makarov 9 December 2017 00: 10 New
    0
    Synchronously? Caught up and gradually began to overtake ... if my memory serves me ...
  15. armourer
    armourer 9 December 2017 01: 07 New
    0
    Quote: hrych
    Quote: Going
    That is why you immediately show your trump card.

    Let's just say that the basis of the sea-based ICBMs of the USSR were liquid missiles (though the majority are now), R-39 Sharks, and it’s necessary to admit that it’s not very ... But lowering the Mace in the container is not a great task, or rather unlike using a carrier in the form of a nuclear submarine, it’s much easier. It is believed that the nuclear submarines Khabarovsk and Belgorod can not only be the bearers of Status-6, but also miners near the bottom of ICBMs ...

    Impulse weapons need to be developed, and not indulge in nuclear weapons. Clicking on the mainland of Sasha, all electronics will fail. People are whole, buildings are whole, that's what you need to strive for
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 December 2017 02: 04 New
      +1
      No, it’s better to create a single-stage aerospace aircraft with an orbital bombardment system.
      1. hrych
        hrych 9 December 2017 10: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        No, it’s better to create a single-stage aerospace aircraft with an orbital bombardment system.

        Ineffective and expensive. A warhead is the best option, especially if it maneuvers itself.
    2. hrych
      hrych 9 December 2017 10: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: armourer
      Impulse weapons need to be developed, and not indulge in nuclear weapons. Clicking on the mainland of Sasha, all electronics will fail.

      It does not need to be developed, the nuclear charge is the best generator of EMP, but if everything is clear with the Americans, they are not able to fight without electronics, then the Chinese will be able to fry them, and if the doomsday war begins, I think apart from the USA and the EU, the Chinese The People’s Republic will be destroyed for prevention, and I’m afraid that both of us at the same time laughing
  16. Lexus
    Lexus 9 December 2017 02: 16 New
    +1
    Uuuuuuuuh ... show! I don’t know how everyone else is, but idle talk does not inspire confidence. especially from the former commanders-in-chief, and now the deputies. I was born in the country where they didn’t threaten anyone (we don’t take Khrschev into account), but everyone knew that you shouldn’t touch it, otherwise it’s the Arctic fox! And then, as in the cartoon ...
  17. Kelwin
    Kelwin 9 December 2017 02: 54 New
    +3
    The key theme is "tension has accumulated to the limit", in connection with which the mattresses no longer need a contract. Why is it also clear that democracy is a transparent thing through and through, hiding the development of production and the transfer to basing places or, hmm ..., to the launch lines, the task is difficult, rather impossible. But the value must urgently be recognized by everyone that nothing of this happens, everything is within the framework of the doctrine, well, it’s necessary for the safety of the mattress, and that’s all.)) Well, then, under various legends, throw this shnyaga to Europe. I don’t understand two things, that they, full of h (m) strikes, are there really any doubts about the answer, once, and that no one understands what they are really seeking and will take adequate measures (or maybe inadequate, heh), two. There is only one real option for this adventure to pass - betrayal in the highest echelons of power, and that is not the fact that it will burn out. Come on, Cho)) Wellcome)

    Threat. To Kamens .. The most effective weapon is the viral one. Not bacterial, namely viral. One problem is to provide enough doses of serum. The question is "sufficient" for what and for someone behind the scenes) And if this obvious solution has not yet been implemented, then someone needs it, right? ...))
  18. gig334
    gig334 9 December 2017 03: 34 New
    +2
    Donald Trump watches Su 57 aerobatics over the white house
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 9 December 2017 04: 56 New
      +1
      It was he who looked at the eclipse ... But it was well assembled ...
  19. Esoteric
    Esoteric 9 December 2017 05: 03 New
    +1
    Bondarev: Russia will prepare "even more powerful weapons" when the United States withdraws from the INF Treaty

    This statement is welcome. The results of the preparation of new types of weapons the whole world, including we observed in Syria, where more than 600 types of new weapons were tested. The army, aviation and navy is something that does not spare money, for it is our security, the guarantee of our peaceful life. We hope that this will not be prevented by any obstacles and opinions of “concerned partners”.
  20. MadCat
    MadCat 9 December 2017 05: 24 New
    +4
    A large number of trained people who do not have an analogue with the world, the Ulyukaevs, Rogozins and Mutkov will defeat all with one left, stupid special forces laughing , why else invent something?
    Bondarev will be appointed commander, Colonel Zakharchenko will be the warehouse manager.
  21. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 9 December 2017 06: 25 New
    +6
    Usually, Americans withdraw from the treaty when they have something significant behind their bosoms and are confident in their superiority. At the same time, they mix the opponent with the city, supposedly, but what was left for us to do.
  22. Yulaevich
    Yulaevich 9 December 2017 07: 08 New
    +2
    “prepare even more powerful weapons for the troops” - the well-known North Korean notes in this sentence are heard
  23. loginovich
    loginovich 9 December 2017 11: 26 New
    0
    Signing of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles between Russia and the United States thirty years ago saved the world from disaster, said on Friday the head of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security Viktor Bondarev [i] [/ i].
    Slowly, VO turned into a censor.
  24. Old26
    Old26 9 December 2017 17: 26 New
    0
    [quote = gorez.69] Reagan - Khrushchev: - We will drop a biological bomb on the Soviet Union. Then all living things will disappear in you, and all values ​​will remain untouched. Khrushchev replies: "But we will drop the command of warrant officers to America. Reagan, what is this? Khrushchev is when everyone is alive, but nothing remains lol[/ Quote]
    **********
    Nda .... This is called “I heard a ring, but don’t know where it is.” I didn’t know that Khrushchev and Reagan had such extrasensory abilities. One foresaw the future, and the second could handle the other world


    [quote = ser-pov] Not only! You can score on the status not to militarize the Arctic and put rockets there, and Cuba is not needed! The flying time to pin.dos is minimal and no one has the Caribbean crisis! And the bases are ready ... [/ quote]
    **********
    Yeah .... 17 instead of 20 minutes - this is of course the minimum flying time. And the bases ready there in bulk. And the breeze is so, at the limit of operation of the complexes. Well, the 120-ton "fool" in the tundra, but in the spring, summer, autumn - this is a song


    [quote = grunt] We have already won the nuclear missile arms race, so there is panic in the enemy’s camp, but we can’t do anything, we got carried away by aircraft carriers, stealth and high-precision weapons, so we lost. [/ quote]
    **********
    In the camp of the enemy, panic is only in the opinion of the media. Mostly ours, which take "fried" (yellow) materials and pass them off as the ultimate truth. Well, Americans can be understood, they need to knock out money, and ours? So to buy into any scribble - how unprofessional a d-moron journalist one must be


    [quote = grunt] [quote = Running] but bottom-hole P.U. for various types of missiles have been successfully implemented [/ quote]
    I turned down about ICBMs, Skiff is probably just a BR, the range is unknown. nothing is known at all
    https://cont.ws/@moria4ok/80602
    Just a short and medium range missile, but in the Bermuda Triangle wassat[/ Quote]

    **********
    ICBM Skif, or maybe a medium-range ballistic missile? Or maybe a short-range missile? Or maybe not a rocket at all ....


    [quote = Observer 2014] Kasym [quote] From ships launch range of two thousand. It remains to put the launchers with all the attendant economy on wheels. [/ Quote] Back in the summer, Vladimir Putin said: “The answer will be instant.” Everything has already been done. “Bastion” launcher and “Iskander” are suitable for this task. And not “ Caliber "put on wheels and X101 minimum. With a range of 5000 km. And if you take into account the Old (IN article was) where in Russia they create cruise missiles with a launch range of 7000 km. You involuntarily catch yourself thinking that the Americans discovered with their missile defense and withdrawal from the INF Treaty, such a Pandora’s box. It would be so difficult to get out of this situation later. Oh, I’m silent about plans to increase the capacity of charges. And exotic delivery vehicles. [/ Quote]

    **********
    When you will help to put the X-101 cruise missile on the Bastion launcher or Iskander launcher, please do not forget to bring a metal hacksaw and additional blades to it. Really need ...


    [quote = Observer 2014] hrych hi [quote] X-101 - aircraft, does not have an accelerator with a turbojet engine [/ quote] "rewind" the accelerator is not a big problem for our specialists. [/ quote]

    **********
    This is done in an elementary way. PVC vinyl tape is taken, it is best of black, so that it is invisible and wraps itself ...


    [quote] and the Caliber, that with RTOs, that with mobile launchers it is not a problem to smell [/ quote] Yes, it’s for Europe. But stripy fools. Here you need more range. In general, with the data on the range of launches of our missiles, even their Wikipedia is doubts. So there could be anything at all. For example, with a nuclear warhead there is (Wikipedia) infa that X101 flies 9000. [/ quote]

    **********
    It’s better to read what Russian Defense Minister S.K. said to this. Shoigu than Wikipedia. True, then you have to "cut the sturgeon" in half ....


    [quote = Donskoy] Well, no, Hrych wrote about the Onyx attacks on ground targets, and this is already very interesting. I am interested in the details: what is the range of the launch, the radius of the circular deviation, well, and the carrier from which the blows were struck. [/ Quote]

    **********
    Unlike the anti-ship version, which flies 350 km, Onyx flies 450 km to hit the coast. Sorry, but the accuracy of the data hit was not. It all depends on what "head" he has


    [quote = gurt] [quote = FEODOR] Base in Cuba [/ quote]
    why only Cuba, we get from Venezuela or Nicaragua [/ quote]

    **********
    Of course we get it. From Venezuela we get silt from the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. From Nicaragua .... I don’t know what you will get there, but if you write, then you know. It’s just not clear why you write posts on the resource, but are not in Stockholm to receive five (or maybe ten) Nobel Prizes at once. This same colossal discovery, discovery can be said universal level - to compile an electronic map of the water surface ....


    [quote = Lexus] Uuuuuuuh ... show! I don’t know how everyone else is, but idle talk does not inspire confidence. especially from the former commanders-in-chief, and now the deputies. I was born in the country where they didn’t threaten anyone (we don’t take Khrshchev into account), but everyone knew that you couldn’t touch it, otherwise it would be a polar fox! And then, as in the cartoon ...
    [/ Quote]

    **********
    You know, comrade. This, as you called "idiocy" is now the most fashionable trend on the network. Independent Military Experts from different newspapers (and independent first of all from knowledge and logic) compete with generals (former and current) for the title of the best "merit" of Russia. As one of the users in one of the forums correctly said - It seems to me that when leaving the service they hand over not only documents, but also brains


    [quote = Solomon Kane] Who told you that there is no such complex
    It is even more effective as an alternative to BZHRK


    TTX missiles:
    Length:
    - 11.2 m
    - 12.982 m (estimated estimated data from the source - Nikolaev)
    Case Diameter:
    - 1.36 m
    - 1st and 2nd steps - 1.363 m (estimated estimates for the source - Nikolaev)
    - 3rd stage - 1.16 m (estimated estimated data from the source - Nikolaev)

    Starting weight:
    - about 15000 kg (initial stage of the project)
    - about 17000 kg (final version of the project)
    - 16838 kg (estimated estimates for the source - Nikolaev)
    The mass thrown:
    - 500 kg
    - 530 kg (estimated estimates for the source - Nikolaev)

    Range:
    - 10000-11000 km (estimate)
    - 10000 km (estimated estimates for the source - Nikolaev)
    QUO - no more than 350 m
    Engines operating time - 120 s (estimated estimates for source - Nikolaev)

    Operating temperature - from -40 to + 50 degrees C
    Start-up wind speed - up to 25 m / s

    Types of warheads: nuclear monoblock capacity of 100-150 ct (option - 0.5 Mt - estimated estimated data from source - Nikolaev), possibly with a complex of missile defense facilities (KSP).

    Or "Frontier", the maximum range of 2000-6000 km (may vary) [/ quote]

    **********
    There really is no complex. Like the rocket itself.
    The machine you have in the picture Did not pass tests and was rejected almost at the first stage. Instead, MAZs with a wheel formula of 8x8 and 10x10 were tested as a complex machine. And they also did not pass. Of course, the opinion of Nikolaev from the "Military" is undeniable. Even Yuri Solomonov cannot compete with him. But my advice to you. better read the book "On the Strategic Direction", published on the occasion of the 60th anniversary of MIT. I’m not even sending you to other books. You won’t find them anyway. And there are also memoirs of the head of the Main Directorate of Missile Weapons (regarding the Courier) and the head of the PGRK division in the main headquarters of the Strategic Missile Forces (this is about the desire of many to deploy the PGRK in Anadyr)
    As for the bottom picture, this is not a Courier. This is a missile system with the F-22 "Swirl" missile. Tested, but did not go into the series.
    And the latter may vary the power of a nuclear warhead. A rocket has a maximum and minimum firing range. "Boundary" showed the minimum range EMNIP 2300 km when firing from Kapyar at Sary-Shagan
  25. zhekazs
    zhekazs 9 December 2017 18: 05 New
    0
    Sirocco,
    Quote: Sirocco
    said for a long time, it is necessary to fight with the USA where it is not working out well, it is their own territory, they expect us to get involved again where they are swimming masters, we don’t want to swim with maggots in the fictitious masses)))) impose their agenda on them yesterday. And do not play on their field and their conditions, that is what they have prepared for us, and are looking forward to when we make a mistake.

    This is all due to the inertia of thinking in some of our leaders. They sit on a good salary and do not blow a mustache. We are used to only reacting to external stimuli, like Pavlov’s dogs, and to think, at least to move forward, this does not allow them to lose their mind, but what, life is arranged and satisfying, what else is needed. So we go with the flow and we get such plumes now in one place, then in another. There is a reaction, but there is a stock = passive behavior and active. Now, while we have more passive behavior, we are waiting for the move of “partners”, such as a ball on their side. Geopolitics is not chess and not football, but tough fights without rules today, in which there can be no gentleman's rules, you need to beat first. And rightly so, you said that you need to hit the weak points of the striped creatures, beat constantly, and not wait for their reaction - you are sanctioning us, well, we are ...., well, something like that, asymmetric. Well, well, with such an approach as now, and we will always wait for new plagues - sanctions, Ukraine, Syria, etc.
  26. Old26
    Old26 10 December 2017 10: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Gritsa
    Why do we need Cuba? We have Franz Josef Land, the north of Novaya Zemlya, Severnaya Zemlya, Novosibirsk islands. If there you dig in the permafrost mines for missile launchers RSMD, then enough is enough to America. Yes, and launch launchers there will be very helpful.
    And without leaving the contract, it is possible to bring a ship with such CDs to the pier on these islands, and let them be frozen frozen even in the ice, the terms of the contract will be observed.

    I thought for a long time how to answer this post and decided not to answer at all. Because to answer this post - it should be either a solid mat (then banned), or if not a mat, but replaced with dots - then solid dots.
    It seems that during the whole year of schooling, the author used a geography textbook exclusively for scrolling cigarettes. And in the current cartographic resources he was most likely banned forever .... He did not think about the technical point of view on the problem. In short, a well-known phrase is great for such posts - "P .... Th - not tossing bags"