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Konstantin Semin: The ban on participation in the Olympics - the public humiliation of Russia

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Konstantin Semin: The ban on participation in the Olympics - the public humiliation of Russia



December 5 The International Olympic Committee (IOC) suspended the membership of the Russian Olympic Committee (ROC) in organizing and removed the Russian team from participating in the 2018 Olympic Games of the year, which will be held in South Korean Pyeongchang. Some Russian athletes will be able to perform at the Olympics, but under the conditions of a total ban on the Russian flag and the Russian anthem.

It is not even important that Russia is prohibited from participating as a state in the 2018 Winter Olympics of the year, and the other is the socio-psychological atmosphere in our society. There was a public humiliation of the state of the Russian Federation. But a number of athletes and officials say in such a manner that “nothing terrible, there is a lot of positive in the IOC decision, you have to go to the games”. A number of other people simply do not understand how it is generally possible to raise the question of the participation of our athletes under such humiliating conditions. That is, there is a split in our society. What does he testify to?

I think that this is not the first humiliation that Russia and the Russian elite have to endure. And, most likely, not the last. Thus, clearly and distinctly, they again showed who is the boss in the global, universal house. But the reaction of many characters who say “must go,” says that our elite has an indestructible desire to scrape the claws under the door of this house and break through to the house with a carcass or stuffed animal, even settling somewhere in the latrine. That is, the owners of our small Russian house no humiliation will not overrun the desire to penetrate into the "universal" house. And, probably, those who planned to subject our elite to such humiliations understood this very well. They understood that they would endure and die - and ask for supplements. Because the imperialist world opposing us is quite reasonable and prudent. And he knows that for our own bourgeois elite, its vested interests are above all. And anything can be sacrificed to these mercenary interests - with the exception of property stolen from 90's.

I want us not to allow ourselves to be drawn into some logical sophistic whirlpool and not begin to compare what is happening now with those near-sports demarches experienced by Soviet diplomacy to which the Soviet Union was subjected. Because the USSR and the Russian Federation are two completely different states, two completely different sports, two completely different diplomacy and two completely different elites. And they react to challenges in a completely different way. For the Soviet Union, participation in competitions was one of the components of its foreign policy. Thus, in the eyes of all progressive humanity, the Soviet Union demonstrated that the model of social and economic structure that the Soviet people chose for themselves is so effective that it allows not only in economics, in literature, in music - in anything - but also in sports to achieve the highest achievements, because “young people are everywhere with us, elderly people everywhere have honor”. Because the sport in the Soviet Union was massive, because in every yard there was a free ice hockey box, because physically Soviet people were really healthy. They really went in for sports, they really went skiing, they really didn’t sit on Friday nights in the pub bars screaming for the Chelsea team or the Arsenal team. As a child, I visited the Kalininets swimming pool, which was located at the Kalinin plant and was completely free, not only for employees and children of employees of the enterprise, but also for those who lived in the district. Behind this pool, our engineering and technical cadres played in small towns - engineers, I mean people who my parents belonged to. The townships - as you remember, these are healthy, iron-bound bits - engineers threw 15-25 meters into the distance. Nobody took a penny for participating in all these things. Swimming, chess, cycling, running, skiing, hockey and football were ubiquitous, like other sports. The Soviet Union lived in a healthy society, in which they were involved in sports, not under duress or money. And so for the Soviet Union medals at olympiads were, in general, a matter of 25. And even the deprivation of the Soviet Union of the right to participate in the Olympiad, had it happened, because of the large for the Soviet sports and the Soviet people and the health of this people, nothing would change.

In the current situation, the picture is exactly the opposite. Our olympiad medals are perhaps the last antidepressant, the last pacemaker. It is a way to somehow stimulate a fading national identity, a bursting pride - such a kind of anabolic. There is no health, there is a hefty beer belly, there is an every-drink libation in front of the monitor. Only a limited number of people play real football, we have empty stadiums and ice hockey rinks, covered with grass a long time ago. All this replaced the TV. That is, the sport we pumped through the TV, the muscles we routinely pumped around the abdominal cavity. But we want with all our strength, to want to train and stimulate our nationwide, national pride. Why is this pride needed? It is equally necessary in slave, feudal or bourgeois society. Since the saying of “Bread and circuses” nothing has changed, because spectacles are necessary when they allow the plebs to divert attention from interruptions in the supply of bread. That is why the Colosseum is needed, gladiator fights are needed. See how popular today at the expense of collective sports are competitions that require individual heroism - various Mixed Martial Arts, where there are rambos, various van dammas and crush each other. And the more teeth fly out in the arena - the more applause, the greater the rate of bookmakers. That's what we do - we raise Rambo. This constantly ongoing fight, of course, has nothing to do with sports and has nothing to do with mass health. Therefore, when a sporting, cheerleading, arising solely on the stadium stands and immediately disappearing behind this stand between plebey and patricia, collapses, the need for the sport itself disappears. It is impossible to explain - what do the Olympiads give to all the people? Not the class of athletes who certainly selflessly prepared for the Olympics and for whom the removal from it is a tragedy, but what does this change for the major, for example, for children's sports?

Two days later, as part of the Last Call project, we must make public the next and final film series about education. Taking it off, we drove through the Russian outback. In the Bryansk region, you see empty villages, where the last enthusiasts hold back weeds, advancing on the ice rinks and stadiums, where 2,5 children run and ride. Well, what Kharlamovs will arise from here, what Yashins, Lobanovskys and Blokhins? They will not. They can not be grown in a country that is preparing for the World Cup as the biggest chance to grab something and earn. I can say that the decision of the IOC is not the last slap in the face. Most likely, there will be a very prudent and cynical move. It would be strange if this idea was not used, if it had not occurred to our “international partners” - to deprive the Russian football team of the right to participate in the World Cup-2018, but not to take the championship from the country itself. That is, do not take away the opportunity to earn money, but take away the opportunity to be proud or at least hope for some chance not to fail to perform at this championship.

Therefore, in the West act very prudently. Naturally, after each such humiliation among the masses, the question arises: “But how is it, why did we again have a herring muzzle in a hare? And how long will it continue? ”Actually, for this, sporting humiliation is being started, this question arises, the gap between the plebeians and the patricians is widening, so that our little home bourgeoisie with the people could not be on the same platform, so that the gap between preferred VIP lodge and all the rest. What is it for? Yes, in order to trample, drive our bourgeoisie into the ground, show it the final place and tear apart what it is still trying to defend.

What has our education achieved? Athletes are young people who mostly grew up during the time of the “bright democratic reforms”. And what do we see? Dozens of athletes yesterday and today agreed to the point that they almost see "more positive points than negative ones in the IOC decision." That is, we still managed to raise mankurts who do not even understand what state symbols and state pride mean? For them, the phrase "The Soviet have their own pride," it turns out, complete nonsense? Something completely incomprehensible from stories ancient Sumerians?

Of course, nonsense, of course, incomprehensible, because they are never Soviet, they were brought up not as Soviet, but as anti-Soviet. What should we now throw up our hands, be surprised or be baptized when we hear such statements? This is natural. Over the years, 25 has been explained to us - every man for himself. You die - I will survive. The only goal in a person's life is to fill your own stomach or your own wallet. If for this you need to go over your heads, even if your heads are lined up on some kind of treadmill - that's all right. And sport is arranged as a live-house, and the rest of life is arranged as a live-house. So why are we surprised by the fact that athletes have become survivors? And what our artists - not slaughter? They are not ready to eat each other in the same way, and sell the Motherland, and wherever they go anywhere? They see that everyone sells everything - “why should I stay aside?” If I remain silent, if I refuse to participate in this from some idealistic motives, then, firstly, I will look like an idiot, secondly, I will simply lose money, they will share everything without me. If everyone sells their homeland, then why not participate in the division and not fight for their own gesheftik?

Such a psychology was not born today. And in Soviet times there were a lot of anti-Soviet people. We remember very well the landings of our hockey players, who suddenly declared themselves dissidents and left to play in the NHL, and then suddenly found themselves in demand here. They were entrusted with entire clubs, despite the fact that they actually covered the country with shame and betrayed not just the cause of the party or the Soviet people, but also the Central Army Sports Club (CSKA). This is not just some kind of shop or desk from which it was possible to take and go over to the “other” side. It was a crime comparable to the military betrayal of the oath. But all is forgotten. For the last decades, people (and not only specifically athletes, but in general) have been made to understand that betrayal does not matter: “Solve your personal vested interests - after all, with the“ scoop ”you didn’t have a car. And the country was supposed to give you a car, you played great hockey, you deserved it. Now let's work on us, we will reward you if there is any result, we will give you the keys to the Audi or BMW car, or pay a large dollar amount. ”

We constantly see this style of communication with athletes - they are awarded products of Western automotive companies. This is already a diagnosis. When young people grow in such an atmosphere, or even people with a Soviet consciousness that used to live and work in such an atmosphere for a long time, they become saturated with it. If you build relationships on a commercial basis all the time - what to expect, that you will behave differently? Therefore, I would not place the entire burden of responsibility on athletes who decide to behave this way. Patriotism towards what? In relation to the keys to Audi? They act like that, they behave like that, they obey the circumstances and rules that are set for the whole system. Is there a problem of personal character and personal choice? Yes, But what we are discussing now is not connected with any specific personalities. The easiest thing to do now would be to make a mess in society, organize 150 talk shows on which someone would be stigmatized, and someone would spit in response and compare everything that happens to Ukraine. But it’s not about the act of a particular athlete or coach. , but the point is in the whole system, which educates traitors.

Soviet people sometimes become guys who are not as old as 80, but also 90, who are not related to the Soviet Union at all. Nevertheless, they may be carriers of another consciousness today, and for them an act like a performance without a hymn, without a flag, without a homeland is unacceptable. And for others - acceptable. So the position is not measured by years lived or belonging to a sports uniform on which four letters known to everyone once stood in tatters.

Hearing the statements of Tarasova, Zulin, Zhukov, Medvedeva, Isinbayeva and many others who say that they must go, you remember the 36 year, the Olympics in Nazi Germany. Imagine Soviet athletes who would say: "We have prepared a lot, we have shed a lot of sweat in training, we are ready to win, so we must go to the Nazis." I see an analogy between 1936 year and 2017 year not in the positions of athletes. I do not see parallels between today's and Stalinist generations of athletes (not only athletes — musicians, poets, journalists, and representatives of many other professions). We have lost continuity; we cannot compare and compare ourselves. But historical parallels, it seems to me, are relevant. Because if you look at how and when sports demarches and boycotts of olympiads usually took place, this, as a rule, preceded major military conflicts. So it was before the 1914 year, although then the Olympic movement was still in its infancy, it happened in the 1936 year. Subsequently, we remember that the entry of troops into Afghanistan preceded the complete collapse of the Olympic movement. So there is reason to worry not so much about the athletes as about what is happening in the world as a whole. And for the extent to which we are prepared for trials and in what moral form we approach these events.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 10 December 2017 06: 21 New
    +6
    Alternative competitions are needed. Money for the Moscow Youth Sports School! As for humiliation, well, this is a question for the Kremlin.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 10 December 2017 06: 35 New
      +7
      Quote: 210ox
      Alternative competitions are needed.

      Alternative with whom? ... Belarus, Cuba, Venezuela ... and this if they still come. Why such meaningless statements, you are not a stupid person
      1. 210ox
        210ox 10 December 2017 07: 00 New
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        Yes, inside the country .. Remember the USSR .. Why did the wedge converge at this Olympiad? I understand that all worthy athletes have left for the center, there are bases and money .. But the trouble has begun. It is necessary to object to sports societies, do business and not sprinkle your head ashes. This will continue in the future before each Olympics and major competitions.
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: 210ox
        Alternative competitions are needed.

        Alternative with whom? ... Belarus, Cuba, Venezuela ... and this if they still come. Why such meaningless statements, you are not a stupid person
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 10 December 2017 07: 35 New
          +5
          Quote: 210ox
          But dashing trouble began

          I completely agree with you, you need to start. I am sure. as in other international organizations, and not just sports. the persecution of Russia will continue. Affects our credulity, with the "integration processes in the globalist project" Now we will pay for many years
        2. Sasha_Sar
          Sasha_Sar 12 December 2017 09: 40 New
          +2
          "It is necessary to revive sports societies." I agree, but who will do it? With the "system" that we have, or rather, it "has" us is a utopia. How much money is allocated for mass sports? Pennies, pennies. I have children of the CCM for diving, Not a long trip to Voronezh entirely at the expense of parents and their transport. I went both, with me 12 thousand rubles. What a blessing it was that 50% were returned to us and now with this money the children will go to other competitions at the end of December "for free." Who will revive? Mutko with Zhukov?
          1. Uralean
            Uralean 12 December 2017 19: 38 New
            +2
            Correctly prompted by you .. However, in order to participate in the Olympics, the IOC set a condition - to pay them $ 15 million !!!! 15 million dollars of the cost of an investigation of some kind !!! We have . what a lot of money? abandon the Olympics. and 15 million dollars. to allocate youth sports schools throughout Russia for the development of children's and youthful sports ... In addition, you must pay a fee to the IOC, about 100 mil. dale Spend money on a team holding games where we are blown away at the most reluctant and in all holes of shame and humiliation, and these are flights. service staff, trainers, masseurs, hotels, etc. tens of millions more .. And for what? in order to satisfy the ambitions of some engaged sportsmen and their mentors, as well as the leaders of the RC, who have driven this issue into a dead end !! Do we Russians need this? We really have nowhere to direct these huge sums from the treasury of Russia to the development of domestic sports, and the improvement of nations))
            1. Sasha_Sar
              Sasha_Sar 14 December 2017 16: 13 New
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              Unfortunately, these "not frail" money is not invested, but mastered. Along the way, not forgetting yourself relatives.
      2. iouris
        iouris 10 December 2017 11: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        Alternative with whom?

        Alternative with no one. The question posed is about the final surrender of the USSR with the surrender of nuclear weapons and with all the ensuing consequences for the population.
    2. alekc73
      alekc73 10 December 2017 10: 10 New
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      Ride under the white flag SHAME. IGNORE.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 10 December 2017 11: 29 New
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        Well, you understand that money does not smell and do not tolerate patriotism .. For athletes, sport has turned into a way to earn money and advancement. They don’t give a damn about the flag and anthem. I already heard this: "I went to this all my life through sweat and injuries .. And do not tell you what to do "And why not point out. You want to earn even more so invest, and go at your own expense. And not at the expense of the state you do not give a damn about.
        Quote: alekc73
        Ride under the white flag SHAME. IGNORE.
        1. Sasha_Sar
          Sasha_Sar 12 December 2017 09: 44 New
          +1
          My child is a fan of football, trying to share his emotions with me, and I tell him that such football or hockey that I saw you will not see. Not athletes but businessmen run across the field ....
        2. Uralean
          Uralean 12 December 2017 19: 45 New
          +1
          I fully support .. the trouble is that a runner-up from among sportsmen and functionaries from sports gathered, who failed everything .. And they did not ask the opinion of the people what to do in this situation before the sportsmen gathered ... The trouble is that their ambitions to go to the competitions, they do not provide for contacting us, although we should pay for them from our own budget for our shame. But our humiliation on the world stage .. They don’t give a damn about it .. We have the right, as payers on all their accounts, to demand from sportsmen and leaders of the Russian Olympic Committee that they hear our protest voice and are able to coordinate their actions with the will of the people !!
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  3. Chichikov
    Chichikov 10 December 2017 06: 25 New
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    The public humiliation of a country is projected onto all its citizens, regardless of their position - “for” or “against”. Did someone go to visit someone who publicly offended you, and even gathered all those present at their place? Probably there will be waiting for you, exclusively crawling on your lap.
    Some athletes, even for a mistake or technical failures that humiliate the country or the athlete, leave the podium. One example is Citizen and patriot of his country!
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 10 December 2017 06: 38 New
      +6
      There are no words. The greatest respect, most worthy
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 10 December 2017 07: 59 New
      +7
      The public humiliation of a country is projected onto all its citizens, regardless of their position - “for” or “against”.

      How many times have RUSSIA been humiliated in international organizations ... it’s time for the Kremlin to ventilate the brain from tolerant ideas ...
      remember PACE ... it seems that fools have never learned anything from history ...
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 10 December 2017 18: 43 New
      +4
      Ay, young man, I respect Violet!
  4. dedBoroded
    dedBoroded 10 December 2017 06: 39 New
    +9
    In fact, an undeclared and vile war is going on with Russia, and the adversary is choosing the most insidious ways of waging it. The situation with OI is a kind of "lice test", one of the ways to identify "their" in a hostile state. And those who imagine themselves to be the "elite" (sports, political, etc.), vying with each other, jerking and pushing, are queued for a barrel of jam and a box of cookies.
  5. Chertt
    Chertt 10 December 2017 07: 41 New
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    Konstantin Semin in general, a very intelligent, thinking person. Undoubtedly one of the leaders of the Left movement. Not those freaks of the beginning of 2000. But modern leftists. Educated, thinking, acting
    1. Nonna
      Nonna 10 December 2017 09: 06 New
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      Quote: Chertt
      Konstantin Semin in general, a very intelligent, thinking person. Undoubtedly one of the leaders of the Left movement.


      These are the people who should be moved forward from the left movement, and not the handshake Zyuganovs. I’ll go to vote for such a leader. but have you ever seen Semin on tv sites? who will allow him with his smart, topical thoughts. These liberal spiders, clinging to their golden chairs in the arena, release only freaks, like doggies.
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 10 December 2017 09: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: Nonna
        but have you ever seen Semin on tv sites? who will allow him with his smart, topical thoughts.

        Saw. AgitProp, Letters. Last call, etc. This is where you look. I have not seen Zyuganov for about 5 years. In general, they no longer look for information on TV, even the older generation
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 10 December 2017 13: 18 New
        +3
        such people
        While nominated Grudinin and Boldyrev. Zyuganov had a chance to rehabilitate himself if he supported the nomination of Grudinin.
  6. andrewkor
    andrewkor 10 December 2017 07: 47 New
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    That's right. The author has painted. I’m so offended by the Russian from Uzbekistan that “I can’t even eat (Frunzik Mkrtchan)” as if they mixed me up with shit. This situation is politicized, directed, paid only for the blind or an ardent Russophobe who doesn’t see or notice. But the light is visible in the window : The guarantor is going to the polls, announced just after the IOC’s verdict that he would sweeten the pill. Type: “Hold on, I'm with you!” Here it is, what a Hybrid War !!
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 10 December 2017 08: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: andrewkor
      "I can’t even eat (Frunzik Mkrtchan)"

      Could not explain. In HE people are mostly knowledgeable, educated. Here is Marvel or Pokemon Go, it’s better to decipher wink
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 December 2017 09: 31 New
        +5
        “In the morning, scrambled eggs, in the afternoon scrambled eggs, in the evening an amlet. I will soon cluck” (c)
  7. EwgenyZ
    EwgenyZ 10 December 2017 08: 20 New
    +7
    Comrade Semin laments that the generation of mankurts has grown, for which the Soviet people are something akin to the ancient Sumerians, well, excuse me, as they say, “that was watered, it grew.” Such phenomena as “you have to go, even under the white flag”, or “Kolya’s boy, from Urengoy” couldn’t appear like this, right away, this requires a long and painstaking work. In order to make Austrians “work” from Russian anti-Russian, for almost a hundred years, then their “noble” work, for 70 years, was continued by the Communists, having begun to raise non-Russian Ukrainians from Russian Little Russians ... Often you hear and read: yes your USSR is to blame for everything, it has not been there for 20/30 years. But, sorry, comrades, where did Chubais, Gaidars, Gribauskaites, Farions, Kravchuks, etc. grow and grow up? Where did the mother of the boy Kolya from Urengoy grow up and raised, who is bursting with pride from the fact that her child performed in the Bundestag and the Germans applauded Him, and where did the eminent athletes who advocate that they need to go grow up? Isn't it in our "bright past"? In Soviet schools in history lessons taught that until 1917. in Russia, everything was bad, but the “warrior of the world" Vladimir Ilyich came and made the country prosperous, very similar to what they say in the Yeltsin Center, only there is a different character. It is necessary to love and respect the history of the entire period of the state’s existence, and not to teach that “there was“ fu ”, and here it became“ wow ”, otherwise the boomerang will return in 20/30/40/50 etc. years.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 10 December 2017 18: 57 New
      +7
      I also studied in Soviet schools, therefore, I am aware that in my country there were different states at different times. Which period of them to squeeze?
      And why exactly respect? For what? For the bloody planting of Christianity? For the fragmentation of the Russian principalities? For serfdom? Out of town on the bones of Petersburch? For Bloody Sunday?
      I accept the history of the predecessors of the Union as it is. Without love and respect. My Homeland is the USSR. I love and respect.
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 11 December 2017 11: 28 New
        +2
        What did you multiply your grandparents by zero ?! They would love you.
        And a lot of glorious affairs were redone: they created and cherished the state, and those who were without a clan or tribe destroyed it.
      2. EwgenyZ
        EwgenyZ 14 December 2017 14: 24 New
        0
        Then do not expect respect, from self-similar, on the other hand, to the USSR. Without "bloody Christianity" there would be no modern Russia. Without St. Petersburg, “on the bones” there would be no science in the USSR, by the way, do you want to remember about the Belomor Canal on bones? And about the union republics that the communists have bred, do not want to talk?
        Without the predecessors of the USSR, there was no bi and the USSR. And the story is what it is, and the other "I don’t have for you" (C).
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 10 December 2017 08: 38 New
    17
    Remember how the Internet community was outraged when Obama called Russia a regional power? ... I must admit, he was right .. We are not great ... The great ones don’t do that, they deny the accusations from the beginning, then they admit .. They don’t give the great ones kick, in the person of the IOC, well, let's get out of here ... If someone didn’t come to the Olympics-80 because of the "occupation" of Afghanistan by the USSR, then they didn’t come to the Winter Olympics in Sochi ... observance of the rights of sexual minorities in Russia ... Compare these two reasons ... Our leadership cannot understand that modern Russia has not received a “residence permit” in a cell called the world community .. and it won’t.
    - Baby! Don't you think your place is near the bucket?
    - Who is it? Mikola St. Petersburg ..
    - How many I killed, how many I cut, how many souls I didn’t ruin.
    .................................................
    .................................................
    ...........................
    Help, bandits deny sight ... Guards come in.
    Everything is fine ...
    In this case, Russia is not an Associate Professor, Mikola Pitersky ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 10 December 2017 09: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      In this case, Russia is not an Associate Professor, Mikola Pitersky ...

      In this case, I can not disagree with you.
    2. bandabas
      bandabas 10 December 2017 09: 56 New
      +1
      Both modern and “prehistoric” Russia is constantly in the punishment cell. With short breaks.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 10 December 2017 19: 04 New
        +8
        Nobody managed to put Soviet Russia in the “punishment cell”. Though the whole world tried!
  9. Awaz
    Awaz 10 December 2017 09: 11 New
    12
    I had an idea. We must stop "resenting" officials and the grief of the athletes, we must get together and all together stupidly boycott the World Cup. A minuscule will arrive anyway, except for ourselves, there will be no one to fill the stadiums. so this is a good way to show your attitude to corrupt officials and corrupt athletes.
  10. 23rus
    23rus 10 December 2017 09: 29 New
    0
    Konstantin Semin mixed up countries: the Russian Federation and the USSR. Soviet sport and commercial sport. And also the fact that this situation is one of many factors in the removal of Russia from the world community. The war is on.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 10 December 2017 13: 32 New
      +4
      War is on
      where is it going, where is it going? There are two concepts of war. The war is an excuse for officials for their excess profits. And the war of the West against Russia never stopped. So do not whine.
    2. Radikal
      Radikal 10 December 2017 22: 15 New
      0
      I want us not to allow ourselves to be dragged into a certain logical sophisticated whirlpool and not to begin to compare what is happening now with those near-sporting demarches experienced by the Soviet diplomacy to which the Soviet Union was subjected. Because the USSR and the Russian Federation are two completely different states, two completely different sports, two completely different diplomacy and two completely different elites.
      "23rus" - you inattentively read the article. Above is what he said. hi
  11. bandabas
    bandabas 10 December 2017 09: 35 New
    +2
    So Mr. Plushenko with his sore back and about to “educate” for the loot of “future champions” is simply eager for this Clowning. By the way, is it interesting that he will take his sidekick Dimych Bablan with him?
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 10 December 2017 09: 53 New
      +4
      And Plushenko is a pupil of the system after the USSR. This is Aam not Alexei Nemov and the volleyball team of the times of the London Olympics. This is indicative.
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 10 December 2017 10: 11 New
        +5
        And it would be fun. Under the Olympic anthem performed by Bablan, a snow-white grand piano enters the arena. Opens ... And, voila. Plus, a support group represented by Korean Taekwondoists led by Yana Rudkovskaya.
      2. bandabas
        bandabas 10 December 2017 10: 17 New
        +2
        I agree. Add Soviet boxers. By the way, I still respect Konstantin Tszyu, although he lives in Australia. And for the development of boxing in Russia continues to do a lot.
  12. Conductor
    Conductor 10 December 2017 09: 50 New
    +4
    The sports contest of the peoples of the USSR was quite worthy of contempt. And the Others were, there was a sport to the masses. not money.
  13. Conductor
    Conductor 10 December 2017 09: 57 New
    +2
    Remember the first cups of Canada. There was a battle without spectators in the arena. But what names they were. Wayne Gretzky he wrote in his memoirs that when our first match in the super series was won, his grandfather cooked soup and recalled that they were from Ukraine.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 10 December 2017 19: 28 New
      +5
      Perhaps it’s about the Challenge Cup? This is the 70s.
      And so ours and the 60s went to them. I remember reading that they organized our “massacre” there, the coach “built” the team during the break - like, you are under 105 kg. Hang up, can't answer? After the break, the opponent refused to play according to "our rules")
  14. Conductor
    Conductor 10 December 2017 09: 59 New
    +1
    Although Victor Anu offset !!!
  15. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 10 December 2017 10: 47 New
    +9
    Well, maybe it's time to stop holding on to “pride”, “special way” and other bullshit and “call a spade a spade”? that Russia is in no way such a "special state" with "its own way", but an ordinary capitalist state with a single ideology of "unlimited profit"? And if there is such an ideology, where everything is for sale, then what kind of "patriotism" can we talk about? In the notorious "West" where everyone knows perfectly well that in the countries there is no even talk of patrimonial capitalism about "patriotism" - if the state needs something from citizens, it pays them for it. But in Russia they are pushing for "patriotism" when they want to get free work from citizens, "super-achievements", etc. Something needs to be done, so you have to pay for it and no "patriotism". Therefore, I understand the athletes who were going to go to the Olympics under any flag — they were preparing for the Olympics — they spent their strength and health on it, and this may be the only chance for them to “declare themselves” in order to “earn a name in big sports”, In the future, to secure a livelihood, income, etc. Sport is their job, the Olympics are the hope for the future, and couch patriots here urge them to take their lives "under the tail" for the notorious "patriotism".
    1. 23rus
      23rus 10 December 2017 11: 27 New
      +5
      I agree. Patriotism under capitalism is "for the tsar-father", and not for the bright future of our children.
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 10 December 2017 13: 19 New
        +2
        Dear Cat. About 27 years ago I played football, basketball, I ran skiing, I didn’t touch the mountain ones (until now), the second category in chess, I pulled myself up 2 times, but at once. The coup rise? Technique, and you can do sooo much .20 km to offset. 3-2rd came. I don’t remember the exact standards, but at 3 km, that would be about 3 minutes. On the C grade. And so, somewhere around 12 minutes.
      2. Petr1968
        Petr1968 11 December 2017 13: 32 New
        0
        Quote: 23rus
        I agree. Patriotism under capitalism is "for the tsar-father", and not for the bright future of our children.

        Since when do we have capitalism? We have our own path, thanks to our president and patriarch, we have revived our spirit and have not tarnished our souls !!! I was in this Europe - there everything is tied up with money, but in our village you’ll get out .. what money ... you’ll take vodka, go fishing ... beauty.
        1. Varyag71
          Varyag71 12 December 2017 08: 13 New
          0
          gundyaev .. found someone to mention. he stuffs his wallet, and not the spirit revives.
          1. Petr1968
            Petr1968 14 December 2017 10: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Varyag71
            gundyaev .. found someone to mention. he stuffs his wallet, and not the spirit revives.

            Thank you for the all-knowing and holy man who explained everything to us about the Patriarch of Moscow.
            Report this to the police, otherwise millions of people and the government do not know, tell everyone the truth.
    2. savage1976
      savage1976 10 December 2017 12: 56 New
      +6
      Also more and more come to such an opinion. What an honor? The main loot and burn everything else with a bright flame. And the president without the anthem of the flag and honor is no longer the president, but the head of the crowd and no more.
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 10 December 2017 16: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Cat Marquis
      that Russia is in no way such a "special state" with "its own way", but an ordinary capitalist state with a single ideology of "unlimited profit"? And if there is such an ideology, where everything is for sale, then what kind of "patriotism" can we talk about?

      Well said!!! good Thank you, Comrade. hi
  16. Beholder
    Beholder 10 December 2017 10: 54 New
    +6
    Question: How long have you seen the broadcast of the championships of Russia on the central channels? Not on sports, but on central ones!
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 11 December 2017 13: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Beholder
      Question: How long have you seen the broadcast of the championships of Russia on the central channels? Not on sports, but on central ones!

      Match TV is also a federal channel. Why from one channel do trash - and series, and the hour of the shepherd and football?
  17. tochila
    tochila 10 December 2017 10: 56 New
    +4
    Gather the teams (national teams) of each subject of the federation and hold the Russian Winter Spartakiad !!! Break in our new RUSADA on them! And put on the very notorious 15 million green ones on the prize fund! (In ruble equivalent)
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 11 December 2017 13: 51 New
      0
      Quote: tochila
      Gather the teams (national teams) of each subject of the federation and hold the Russian Winter Spartakiad !!! Break in our new RUSADA on them! And put on the very notorious 15 million green ones on the prize fund! (In ruble equivalent)

      And I think we should respond with a tank biathlon and avidarts .... and at the border of our "partners", with a salute from poplar M !!
  18. steelmaker
    steelmaker 10 December 2017 11: 21 New
    10
    Putin and the government do not think so. No one resigned and no one was removed from the post. Hooray to Putin and the government !!!!
    1. 23rus
      23rus 10 December 2017 11: 29 New
      +1
      Putin does not consider the individual preparation of an athlete for competition a matter of the entire state.
  19. X Y Z
    X Y Z 10 December 2017 11: 28 New
    +7
    It’s too late to discuss boycott or humiliation. According to the statements of our leadership, it is obvious that a decision was made to accept humiliation. I think that at the Olympic meeting on December 12 this point of view will be taken into account. Moreover, the author already convincingly showed how athletes are growing now and what values ​​they instill in them. Accordingly, it remains to solve a very sensitive problem - to prove to the citizens of Russia that this decision is correct, purely moral and aimed at protecting the interests of our country. This will not be easy, because according to all surveys, the majority of citizens do not think so, but just the opposite. Our President perfectly understood this and left everything to the decision of the athletes. Zhukov, on the other hand, spoke much more definitely, enforcing the "party line." On December 12, everything that hid for many years under the guise of patriotism will come out and we will see the moral choice that an athlete must make, despite all permissions and even encouragements. For my part, I would like that the form of those who went to the Olympiad does not contain any mention of Russia and they act, indeed, as private individuals with all the ensuing consequences.
    1. 23rus
      23rus 10 December 2017 11: 56 New
      +1
      Sport is a type of human activity for earning livelihoods. Russian scientists creating new technologies in Western firms, Russian oil industry workers in ExxonMobil, Russian artists in La Scala .... Women and children in exile, but they shoot themselves !? wink
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 10 December 2017 19: 57 New
        +4
        And for 10 years I was engaged in sports only in the army, I didn’t know what kind of activity laughing
    2. bandabas
      bandabas 10 December 2017 14: 44 New
      +2
      Once again I will quote Mayakovsky- "The Soviet have their own pride. We look down on the bourgeois."
  20. midshipman
    midshipman 10 December 2017 11: 55 New
    +8
    I think that it’s not necessary to go to this Olympics. I have the honor.
  21. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 10 December 2017 12: 09 New
    +5
    I hope that by December 12, Putin will still know the opinion of the people and make the right decision.
    And we will find out the answer to the question: "Who is mister Putin?"
    Otherwise, we will receive the Ukrainian team at the 2018 World Cup instead of the Russian national team.
    1. savage1976
      savage1976 10 December 2017 12: 57 New
      +3
      Celestials are largely coming to our opinion and we will be a bit eager. It is democracy.
  22. Vadim851
    Vadim851 10 December 2017 15: 47 New
    0
    Money doesn't smell. Such is the reality now and this must be recognized. So that athletes who want to compete under a neutral flag do not go, they need to pay an amount equivalent to that which is given out when they take a prize, otherwise hardly anyone will go.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 10 December 2017 16: 49 New
      +2
      They have already paid maintenance and training from the state budget. There’s nothing more to pay. Who will go - do not take back, do not give hands, do not invite the company: a stranger is so a stranger.
      1. Vadim851
        Vadim851 10 December 2017 19: 12 New
        +2
        In that case, yes, no questions
  23. Loess
    Loess 10 December 2017 15: 59 New
    +1
    And who is Konstantin Semin?
  24. Giants
    Giants 10 December 2017 17: 10 New
    +2
    The Americans are pushing us to boycott the Olympics, but we will courageously go for everything, including the white flag and all morning we’ll nose wassat
  25. Giants
    Giants 10 December 2017 17: 53 New
    +1
    Who tears apart our society into parts, pushing it to civil war: the West with the fifth column or native power is a rhetorical question.
  26. Doliva63
    Doliva63 10 December 2017 18: 30 New
    +6
    I propose to nominate Kostya Semin as a deputy to the State Duma from VO!
    Who is for, who is against, abstained?
  27. Radikal
    Radikal 10 December 2017 22: 02 New
    0
    Over the past decades, people (and not only specifically athletes, but generally everyone) have been made aware that betrayal does not matter
    That's it, as in the well-known film - "in time to betray - this is not to betray, but to correctly orient yourself!" I think so. sad
  28. Radikal
    Radikal 10 December 2017 22: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Chertt
    Quote: 210ox
    But dashing trouble began

    I completely agree with you, you need to start. I am sure. as in other international organizations, and not just sports. the persecution of Russia will continue. Affects our credulity, with the "integration processes in the globalist project" Now we will pay for many years

    Do you really think Garant is a "gullible" person? wassat
  29. Giants
    Giants 10 December 2017 22: 55 New
    +2
    In my computer in the photo archive there is a folder with the name They fought for their homeland. In her photo of our team from Sochi. And what am I reading today?
    Forward of the Russian national team and St. Petersburg SKA Ilya Kovalchuk spoke out about the participation of Russian athletes in the 2018 Olympic Games in South Korea. It is reported by "Championship.com".

    “We will go to the Olympics. I’m sure I have to go there. Everyone knows perfectly well where we were brought up and the honor of which country we defended all this time, ”the hockey player said.
    According to Kovalchuk, there is no need to pay attention to politics. “Our business is to go, fight for the country, for the flag, for the parents. I think everyone who goes to the Games will do it, ”the forward added.
    Ilyusha, well, it prevented you and the others from fighting 4 years ago ?!
  30. Petr1968
    Petr1968 11 December 2017 13: 18 New
    0
    In conditions of war, half measures only harm. Only a complete ban on the participation of our athletes in all international competitions. Yes, if you can endure this shame? 0-7 defeat of Spartak, 7th place in the biathlon championship .. And then what? Tolerate this humiliation for a long time? Spend your Olympics, houses and walls help. I want to hear the hymn in honor of the First Place, not the 7th !!! But, sport is a particular. What about culture? What does the West give us? Gays? Addicts and prostitutes? Block movies, books, music, etc. completely ... Let them bend themselves in their immorality! And the officials ... beautiful Mercedes, houses in Italy and France ... The ban on the import of cars, planes, equipment, etc. We have proven that anti-sanctions are a powerful incentive for their production!
    I remember the iron curtain and remember the smiles of people, morality and education! And now?? If a president able to say goes to the presidency, we are not like that, we ourselves, we are separating from the whole world, then this is the one who will revive Russia !!!! And these will apologize !!!
    1. 23rus
      23rus 12 December 2017 06: 09 New
      0
      This is what the West is seeking — the blockade of Russia. And we will be conducted?
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 12 December 2017 09: 58 New
        0
        Quote: 23rus
        This is what the West is seeking — the blockade of Russia. And we will be conducted?

        This is not a blockade of Russia, but a blockade of the West !!! This is the difference, you need to separate the world from filth!
  31. Nemesis
    Nemesis 12 December 2017 00: 07 New
    0
    Since the Russian Federation has been removed, then membership fees to these organizations of the Russian Federation should not be paid .. This is important ..
  32. Klaus
    Klaus 12 December 2017 22: 46 New
    +1
    Once such a story has gone that athletes travel en masse in private for the sake of their achievements - let it be. They have every right, since they devoted their entire conscious life to preparing for this event.
    BUT. In order to exclude such behavior in the future, it is necessary to take tough but fair measures:
    - Broad state support should be only mass physical education and children and youth sports. This is the health and strength of the nation. All.
    - a sport of high achievements (and high incomes), and everything connected with it should be exclusively within the framework of private initiative and private financing. Then then no questions will arise in principle. This is how the system works in many countries, in the USA
    And that is JUST.
  33. Sasha_Sar
    Sasha_Sar 14 December 2017 16: 28 New
    0
    I have the impression that this is not the last excommunication from the Olympics. Two years later, at the summer Olympics, everything will be repeated, only the forms will be different. They will think that we are not tolerant of gays and lesbians, we don’t take transgender people into the army. But you never know what! The same Donbas (remember Afghanistan). It is interesting that then Mutko and Zhukov will “sing”?