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Historic "snowstorm" by Mr. Tuman

Historic "snowstorm" by Mr. TumanThe truth about Russia's past relations with the West is a big pain for "civilized Europeans." The material of the journalist “Russian writer” Michael Tuman under the eloquent headline “History as a building store ”, published recently in the most popular liberal newspaper among the German intelligentsia - Die Zeit, direct evidence of this.

Tumanna was inspired to write the article by the famous story of the performance of the Novy Uengoy high school student Nikolai Desyatnichenko in the Bundestag. That's just the boy himself in the material mentioned only in passing, so to speak, for the background. The questions raised by a German journalist are much more global: the relationship between Russians and their history.

So, Michael Tumann: “Russian mass media and state agencies glorify the Second World War” ...

Not so, dear. Nobody just sings the second world war. We glorify the feat of our people in the Great Patriotic War. And these are two big differences.

The dry scientific term - World War II, instead of the Great Patriotic War, allows to stop emotions, to make the historical narrative more “mechanistic”.

Naturally, the Germans would very much like us to talk about the events of 75-year-old, as detached as, for example, about the War of the Scarlet and White Rose.
But we will not forget that in that war our parents, grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought so that we could live today and protect the world from the most monstrous criminals in the history of mankind ...

Michael Thumann: “In the movie, the fictional military brigades that never fought are praised. This historical nonsense is a Soviet historical heritage. ”

Historical nonsense ... This is how the representative of the people, who destroyed tens of millions of people from 1938 to 1945 years now, the lion's share of which were residents of the Soviet Union, began to sing like that ...

If our brigades have never fought, then who persecuted your ancestors, Mr. Tumann, from the Volga to Berlin itself?

And “historical nonsense” is probably Auschwitz, Dachau, Buchenwald, Khatyn, Babi Yar, savage experiences on children, soap from human fat and gloves from skin removed from people?

We are not guilty of the fact that such a serious reason for repentance has appeared in the history of the German people. And so the German's attempts to tell that something is wrong in our history look, to put it mildly, not very beautiful. Biting Russia is today, of course, the mainstream in Western journalism. But if the journalist Die Zeit is so brave, then let him talk more about the “historical nonsense” in German-Jewish relations during the Second World War. And we will see what happens. Or rather, that after this will remain from him ...

From the events of World War II and World War II, Tuman very easily jumps over the Crimean theme and accuses Moscow of the fact that it is in Tavrida that it distorts the history of Russia most actively.
Yes, and how sarcastically accuses:

“The open-air museum in the city of Chersonesos in Crimea simply records how the Crimea, which was associated only with the Romanov Empire at the end of the 18 century, is said to have“ its origin ”. This is how 170 years of Russian Crimea become an eternity ... "

This is already personal for me, the author of these lines, who has lived in the house for years, directly from the windows of which opens a view of Tauris Chersonesos.

Either Mr. Tuman never in his life was in Chersonesos, about which he had the courage to write absurd things, or he has a very peculiar perception of reality.

Before rushing to such accusations, a journalist who is described by German Wikipedia as a prominent specialist in Russia could have worked at least on the same Wikipedia to read about the Tauride Museum and Reserve about the history of the Crimean Peninsula. Then Tuman would know what role Chersonesus played in the history of the Russian people and Russian civilization. And also that even in the times of the Old Russian state a significant part of the Crimean peninsula was part of Russia.

But after all, letting in the fog, rushing with sarcastic phrases, is much easier and more profitable than writing the truth ...

Russian people can forgive. After the war, the Soviet Union helped rebuild Germany, and its almost first ally who formed the 35 divisions against us, Austria, even declared it almost a victim of Nazism.

Recently, documents testifying to the colossal assistance rendered in 1944 - 1945 to the hungry USSR of “fraternal Poland”, which in 1938 had divided Czechoslovakia with Hitler and made the Third Reich quickly go to the “eastern campaign”, were made public.

We also forgave Finns, Romanians, Slovaks, Hungarians, and other nations who in large numbers spoke on the side of the Third Reich in 1941.

It was the Soviet people who, at the cost of their lives, then saved entire nations from total annihilation by the German nazis and their European friends ...

Immediately after the war, the overwhelming majority of Europeans confidently stated that the contribution of the Soviet Union to the victory over Nazism was decisive. And that the crimes committed by Germany and its satellites were monstrous.

Just today, the eyewitnesses of those events remain with us less and less, and this allows gentlemen like Thumn to throw stinging remarks at our address, which no one else could afford 20 -30 years ago with impunity ...

And this is another proof of how important weapons is a historical memory. Day after day, we must remind the world what happened then and why it should not happen again. About the one who shared Czechoslovakia with Hitler in 1938 year and was preparing joint crusades with the Nazis. And I, in this case, not only about the Poles. And about those who signed agreements with the Nazis in Munich or technically approved them through diplomatic channels from overseas.

Write better about the Munich Agreement, Mr. Tumann. And also about the concentration camps, the "Jewish question" and the Battle of Stalingrad. About, as mentioned by Kolya Desyatnichenko "innocent victims of war" from among the soldiers of the Wehrmacht, your compatriots, by the way, shot machine guns at three-year-old children, smashed the heads of babies against the walls and raped girls, cutting out red stars on their bodies. And also about how the respectable burghers who lived in a few minutes walk from the death camps with honest-honest eyes convinced everyone that they didn’t even suspect what had happened under their noses for years. Maybe at least after that you will lose the desire to slander and use biting phrases like "historical nonsense" ...
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  1. solzh
    solzh 10 December 2017 15: 21
    Russophobic ravings of Mr. Tumann. How much they want to rewrite history. These live in some kind of their invented illusion. We can break their Wishlist. Only someone will break it. We, the people of Russia? Or should the government want to help them break? For me, the answer is obvious, our government should break their illusion over the hill there, and we will help if anything.
    1. Hoc vince
      Hoc vince 10 December 2017 16: 02
      The British media advises football fans not to start talking about the war, "especially after drinking alcohol." If the conversation still comes up on this topic, the British are recommended in no case express no doubt request that Russia won the war. negative
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 12 December 2017 12: 58
        Instead of disputes, take such unbelievers for the breech and the WoW Museum, poke their nose into the German chronicle. But it’s better to start dancing naked in the gas chamber of Auschwitz and turn on the effect of full presence.
        1. Hoc vince
          Hoc vince 12 December 2017 13: 14
          There is a video on the net where naked people play napkins in the premises of the former Stutthof concentration camp, where once there was a gas chamber. During the war years, about 65 thousand people died in this Nazi camp. There they carried out terrible medical experiments on prisoners, and soap was made from human bodies.
          People of art decided to play naked in the camera in nude and take it all on video. The video was presented at the exhibition "Poland - Israel - Germany: Auschwitz Experience".
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 12 December 2017 13: 44
            I hinted at them. It is a pity that they did not close the door and did not let gas.
            1. Hoc vince
              Hoc vince 12 December 2017 13: 52
              But the idea is not bad.
  2. Basil50
    Basil50 10 December 2017 15: 30
    Well what are you, really. The Germans and other Europeans have long forgiven themselves. Forgiven very sincerely and with all my heart. They themselves have forgiven both the concentration camps and the extermination of the SOVIET PEOPLE. After all, even the * Jewish question * began to be solved with the mass destruction of the SOVIET JEWS, their own, European, Jews, they began to kill later. Poles were especially distinguished in this.
  3. Elevator in the building
    Elevator in the building 10 December 2017 15: 35
    The threat of a noose around your neck can make you close your smelly mouth for a while, so it’s not a threat - action. Praise Nazism? - Deadline! Created a cell? The highest measure! Burn with a hot iron! And prevention is urgently needed: films, games, anime - it is necessary to show the whole truth about German or American Nazism without sparing the “vulnerable mind”. We won’t do it now - tomorrow, for the Slavs in general, and the Russians in particular - it won’t come .. The war is not just going on, as it turned out, it did not end !!! And while we retreat again ..
  4. Eurodav
    Eurodav 10 December 2017 15: 42
    Auto RU!
    "... But after all, letting the fog rush with sarcastic phrases is much easier and more profitable than writing the truth ..."
    Rabbi Wise’s invention of soap from the corpses of Jewish prisoners, today no serious historian takes seriously. Yehuda Bauer, professor at the Institute of Contemporary Jewry of Нebrew University, states - "The technical possibilities for turning human fat into soap were not known at that time ..."
    Why in a serious article "let the fog"?
    "... Before throwing such accusations, the journalist could work hard ..." and study the issue, but knowing that you won’t have to answer for the words, print / retype the nonsense, without even thinking ...
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    2. Elevator in the building
      Elevator in the building 10 December 2017 16: 25
      Not, they are fluffy, they didn’t "poison" them - they saved them from parasites; not "burned" - the tanning bed; "blood from children?" - Well, so voluntary help to the wounded; what? "pestilence from hunger in Leningrad?" - a simple tolerant statement of disagreement with the name of the city; "bombing of cities and villages" - a return to the natural landscape, the green letter of approval; "violence?" - psychologists recommend a systematic sex - it was a civilized European assistance; "slavery?" - that you, only struggle against unemployment; "export of valuables" - never once, they were protected from possible damage in dangerous areas; and so on and so forth..
      PS And for the description of my personal attitude to nonhumans, which justify Nazism, the moderator deleted the post + issued a warning ..
    3. orphan 63
      orphan 63 10 December 2017 17: 10
      Soap from corpses is not nonsense, but a proven fact!
      Watch, read and be terrified!

      The Stutthof concentration camp (about fifty kilometers from the city of Gdansk) was founded on September 2, 1939, the day after the outbreak of World War II, and his prisoners were released by the Red Army on May 9, 1945. The main thing that made Stutthof famous was “ experiments "SS doctors who, using people like experimental rabbits, boiled soap from human fat. A bar of this soap was then used at the Nuremberg trials as an example of Nazi fanaticism.
      Now individual historians (not only in Poland, but also in other countries) speak out: this is “military folklore”, fantasy, this could not be.
      In 2006, the Institute of National Memory of Poland conducted an analysis of the very soap presented at the Nuremberg trials. Contrary to expectations, the results were confirmed - it really was made by Nazi professor Rudolf Spanner from human fat. However, now researchers in Poland claim that there is no exact confirmation that the soap was made specifically from the bodies of Stutthof prisoners, and the production of “soap of the dead” was not carried out on an industrial scale.
      The Institute of National Memory of Poland is the very “glorious” organization that advocates the demolition of all the monuments to Soviet soldiers, and in this case the situation turned out to be tragic. Officials specifically ordered the analysis of soap in order to obtain evidence of the "lies of Soviet propaganda" in Nuremberg, but it turned out the other way around. About the industrial scale - Spanner made up to 100 kg of soap from "human material" in the period 1943-1944. and, according to the testimonies of his workers, he repeatedly went to Stutthof for "raw materials."
    4. Elevator in the building
      Elevator in the building 10 December 2017 17: 13
      354.1 Article. Nazism Rehabilitation

      [Penal Code] [Chapter 34] [Article 354.1]
      1. The denial of the facts established by the sentence of the International Military Tribunal for the trial and punishment of the main war criminals of European axis countries, the approval of the crimes established by this sentence, as well as the dissemination of deliberately false information about the activities of the USSR during the Second World War, committed publicly -

      is punished with a fine of up to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to two years, or forced labor for up to three years, or imprisonment for the same term.

      2. The same acts committed by a person using his official position or using the media, as well as artificially creating evidence of the prosecution -

      is punished with a fine in the amount of from one hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of one to three years, or forced labor for up to five years, or imprisonment for the same term with the deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for up to three years.

      3. The dissemination of information on days of military glory and memorable dates of Russia related to the defense of the Fatherland, expressing disrespect for society, as well as desecration of symbols of military glory in Russia, publicly committed,

      is punished with a fine of up to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to two years, or compulsory work for a period of up to three hundred and sixty hours, or correctional work for up to one year.
    5. japs
      japs 10 December 2017 23: 18
      I agree with you! Very often I notice that in the heat of the dispute, facts that are not genuine are involved. This is a shortcoming of journalists.
      And the frivolous tone in German articles about Russia and its history appeared a long time ago. It is rare to find an article by an adequate person.
      The only taboo in German journalism is the Holocaust. But this is because there is a criminal article for his denial. Somewhere, I have already cited the fact that recently an 82 year old woman in Germany received a 6 term (Sixth, Karl!) For his systematic denial.
  5. Commander
    Commander 10 December 2017 17: 56
    Is it worth it to pay attention to scum like Tuman? He is our enemy, a voluntary soldier of the information war that the West is waging against us. Still clear. what will he write
  6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 10 December 2017 18: 59
    In fact, a lie about our history previously pursued two goals.
    1) Make us forget our own story
    2) Explain to the western man in the street how vile these Russians are
    Well, on the first question - bummer, in spite of everything, Ivanov didn’t turn into relatives of those who don’t remember, although, of course, all kinds of “gymnasium students” there bred extremely. But on the second question - they try
  7. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 11 December 2017 10: 08
    So, thanks to the 30-year rule in Russia of liberal collaborators and traitors, the history of the Great Patriotic War and more is slowly being rewritten.
  8. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 11 December 2017 14: 49
    When the descendants of the aggressor are trying to "erase" from the memory of people what their ancestors did it is no longer a joke, but a signal about the preparation of a new "Drang nach Osten", well, there's nothing to be done if the "itchy face" has to be helped! And there you look for another 70-100 years calm down!
  9. turbris
    turbris 11 December 2017 15: 43
    Everything is a little more complicated here, of course we must protect our history from the attacks of the vanquished and keep the eternal memory of the heroes. BUT! We live in a time when there are very few real participants in this war, both in Russia and in Germany, another generation has grown up, how should we relate to each other? I did not fight and he did not fight, should he be responsible for what his ancestors did? Many countries, such as Poland and the Baltic countries, use history to develop Russophobia and they have elevated it to the rank of state policy, they have all generations to blame, they are only to blame because they live in Russia, and Mr. Tumann is a clear confirmation of this. Should we go this way? We must firmly uphold our history, but we should not make aggressive militarists from the West, because this is not true. Maybe something needs to be done so that they stop being afraid of us and stop escalating the horrors due to the appearance of an American battalion in the Baltic states?
  10. Altona
    Altona 14 December 2017 07: 46
    A filthy journalist this Tumann. This is where verbal feces are called freedom of speech.
  11. Altona
    Altona 14 December 2017 07: 48
    Quote: turbris
    Everything is a little more complicated here, of course we must protect our history from the attacks of the vanquished and keep the eternal memory of the heroes. BUT! We live in a time when there are very few real participants in this war, both in Russia and in Germany, another generation has grown up, how should we relate to each other?

    They honor military burial places at home, and there you’ll be sent to jail in jail for abuse of memory. So there is no need "wider and softer, with understanding." This is our story and our ancestors. No one has the right to shit on their graves.