Ukraine intends to return to service Su-27 fighters

Ukrainian Air Force is actively engaged in the restoration of the combat fleet aviation, including repair work on Su-27 fighters, reports Messenger of Mordovia.

Recently, a photo of one of these machines (Su-27 with 12 “blue” tail number) appeared on the Internet, which is being transported to the Zaporizhia State Aviation Repair Plant “Migremont”. This aircraft did not fly for a long time, being in conservation.

In addition to repairs, modernization of on-board equipment is being carried out - to improve the detection range of airborne targets, radar stations are being refined, the accuracy characteristics of using unguided weapons to targets on the ground are improved, the author of the material Dmitry Lemeshko writes.

At the same time, he notes that “even after such modifications, the Su-27 will be significantly inferior to the Russian modernized Su-27CM, which were received by the Russian Air Force in the first half of 2000 of the year”.

According to the author, at present, the Ukrainian Air Force has less than 40 Su-27. About 15-20 machines were preserved.

Comments

[210ox]

What will they do with the engines? Will they be transferred to fart steam?

[The black]

This aircraft did not fly for a long time, being in conservation.

... and it’s unlikely to fly ..... but it’s some kind of urogeneral who will fly .... to his villa in California

[Major Yurik]

Ukraine intends to return to service Su-27 fighters

Well, if only on foot, pennies Nem, and the bourgeoisie stopped serving, greedy !!!

[Shura Perm]

And their pepelats fly it ??? And then their ku, or maybe kyu

[Monos]

Ukrainian Air Force is actively engaged in the restoration of the combat aircraft fleet

Flag in hand, drum on the neck. The field of activity is not plowed.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Monos

Flag in hand, drum on the neck. The field of activity is not plowed.

And this, by the hour, is it not Crimea - flightless MiGs from the Mamchur brigade?

[Monos]

Quote: Alexey RA

And this, by the hour, is it not Crimea - flightless MiGs from the Mamchur brigade?

Maybe. I do not think that the situation is better on other bases.

[Monos]

Quote: Alexey RA

And this, by the hour, is it not Crimea - flightless MiGs from the Mamchur brigade?

Well, here, for example, the Odessa airfield "School"

[Finches]

They will paint it and sell it to some Zanzibar at the price of scrap metal, cut the money offshore, and the electorate will be told that the APU is the most powerful army of the Universe! and meal will disperse ...

[Jedi]

Quote: Finches

The electorate will mumble together "Glory to Ukraine!" and meal will disperse ...

[The black]

They will paint it and sell it to some Zanzibar at the price of scrap metal, they will cut the money offshore

Where did you get the business plan of the ukrolüftwaffe generals?

[MoJloT]

It is unlikely that Ukraine will succeed on its own or will take so much time and money that the whole undertaking will be meaningless. Most likely this will be done by a foreign contractor.

[Sail]

I can even guess which country ...

[Orionvit]

At MIGremont, there are no new spare parts since 2008. Removed from one side, sorted out, tinted, put on the other and voila. One “new plane” of two. With such a repair, and disposal is not necessary.

[seti]

Quote: 210ox

What will they do with the engines? Will they be transferred to fart steam?

And the engines are being restored to Motor Sich. Former countries of the Warsaw Block will help with spare parts.
Do you doubt it? In vain. If the country 4о4 will have several dozen, albeit outdated but still quite good Su-27 in working order, then this is sad. Of course, questions remain such as those related to pilots, maintenance, operation, but all this is resolved - would be a desire. And money. NATO can allocate money for this.

[210ox]

I have no doubt about that. Just how much do they fly on the restored?

Quote: seti

Quote: 210ox

What will they do with the engines? Will they be transferred to fart steam?

And the engines are being restored to Motor Sich. Former countries of the Warsaw Block will help with spare parts.
Do you doubt it? In vain. If the country 4о4 will have several dozen, albeit outdated but still quite good Su-27 in working order, then this is sad. Of course, questions remain such as those related to pilots, maintenance, operation, but all this is resolved - would be a desire. And money. NATO can allocate money for this.

[seti]

Long enough if only they will protect the equipment. It is clear that a combat aircraft is not a tank, but notice - in the country's air force 4o4, 40 remained in service and about 10-15 in the Su-27 reserve. Surely, spare parts have been preserved somewhere .. This is a lot. They were not cut and sold somewhere in Zanzibar .. Saved. Suppose that some of this was or will be subject to cannibalism, but all one 2-3 of ten workers will be typed. With a good raid of pilots, this is a considerable force ..)

[Hagalaz]

I also agree. Long or not, they fly, the question is open, but for one throw they may well be enough. How much we knock down (s), how much we ourselves fall, nobody cares. After them, others may pull themselves up completely ...

[Herman 4223]

With the quantity, in my opinion, a mistake, I read somewhere before (I don’t remember) that a dozen and a half out of forty ranks.

[PalBor]

Maybe they will help. Or maybe not. That's why they are rushing around with several Bulgarian MiG-29s and all to no avail.

[seti]

Quote: PalBor

Maybe they will help. Or maybe not.

It is important in all of this to understand that even several combat aircraft can continue to train pilots and maintain an acceptable state of airfields and infrastructure. Continue to possess certain skills. Maintain a repair base and no staff of specialists. Degradation on the face, but nevertheless, even for a quarter of a century, not all svidomye galloped. And if an intelligent person comes to power with real and not fake support from the West, it will be really bad. And many in the Russian Federation, especially in high offices, do not notice this.

[Astoria]

And many in the Russian Federation, especially in high offices, do not notice this.

Do you propose to preventively bomb along with the airfield or what?

[seti]

Quote: Astoria

And many in the Russian Federation, especially in high offices, do not notice this.

Do you propose to preventively bomb along with the airfield or what?

Of course not. But with the wrong hands with the financial ability to disable it is quite possible. And much more. And to attract specialists in the Russian Federation. However, the most intelligent are already there.

[Orionvit]

Quote: seti

And the engines are being restored to Motor Sich.

Motor Sich does not cooperate with MiGremont; those have their own base. It depends on what is called restoration. The so-called "first repair" (with the replacement of gaskets, seals, filters and other trifles), if any, can still be done at MIGremont. But the "second repair", with the replacement of components and assemblies, which should be done at the manufacturer's factory ("Salute", Moscow), is already problematic. Not to mention the third, when a complete engine overhaul is required, with the replacement of all worn parts, from blades to gears.

[Mikhail Zubkov]

In order to sell the Mig-27, you need a complete set, sufficient even for launch and taxiing at the airfield, even without guarantees of airworthiness. Only then it becomes a GOODS, otherwise - a bunch of spare parts. To this condition and completeness will be brought. And they can bring it. Question - who will buy? They can type Finns, or Indians - at a cheap price. The Chinese can take for ukrodolzhi. It is better for us if it were like Egypt or India - they would sign modernization contracts with us.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Mikhail Zubkov

Only then it becomes a GOODS, otherwise - a bunch of spare parts

After the repair, according to the rules, the plane needs to fly around, otherwise it really is not a commodity, but a bunch of spare parts. But the quality of repairs and flight personnel is such that over the past 15 years, on the MiGremont, in the process of flight tests, three plane crashes occurred. With the death of the pilots. Here you have the repair.

[Grayish]

The Su-27 was not exported, therefore only republics of the former USSR can help with spare parts if they remained there. The engine of a fighter is more complicated than the fighter itself in restoration too. How to produce a turbine blade, for example? No equipment, no technology, no people. Ukraine used to repair its Su-27 in a single amount. But the current topic seems to be from the same series as the Tirex tank.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Grayish

Su-27 was not exported,

But what about the colorful Internet story about the battles of the Su-27 vs Mig-29 where is there in Eritrea?

[svp67]

Quote: 210ox

What will they do with the engines? Will they be transferred to fart steam?

Belorussians will buy ... Russia buys for turntables and Ruslanov

[Romanenko]

Theoretically, from the available 40 machines, it is possible, taking into account the spare parts and accessories available for them, to revive at least 25.
But about deep modernization ...
There are big doubts. Cars are old and not with an "open" architecture.
Where to get the element base?
It’s not very clear to do new equipment from scratch, of course you can, but I think not now and not in Ukraine.
P, s. I write the word Ukraine with a small letter, because in my opinion this place has currently lost the status of a state.

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: Romanenko

Where to get the element base?

But with the element base there are no problems, it has been produced since the times of the USSR, and also after the USSR
But with a glider and engines of this size there
because they restore, otherwise everything is for scrap

[NF68]

Quote: 210ox

What will they do with the engines? Will they be transferred to fart steam?

And what fat do they have?

[Chertt]

Very correct decision, but somehow it is not solid, The strongest army on the continent and not a single flying plane

[The black]

Quote: Chertt

The strongest army on the continent and more than one flying airplane

... but now they don’t fall

[svp67]

Quote: Chertt

, The strongest army on the continent and not a single flying airplane

Alas, there are already enough flying ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Chertt

, The strongest army on the continent and not a single flying airplane

Alas, there are already enough flying ...

Just something tells me that at the very first attempt to fly, "where it is not necessary," they will end very quickly.
There were already, like them there ... pren-tsen-denti ...

[svp67]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Just something tells me that at the very first attempt to fly, "where it is not necessary," they will end very quickly.

And they don’t need them for a long time ... The main thing for them is to “light the wick”

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: svp67

The main thing for them is to light the wick.

If by "wick" is meant the next offensive of the Armed Forces, then there, IMHO, and without these "Litaks" there is plenty of rubbish.
Therefore (again IMHO) - the next conversation is nothing, so, they scare.
Seriously without major changes in the state of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not go anywhere

[svp67]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Seriously without major changes in the state of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not go anywhere

And whoever will ask them will be ... They will say, because of the Ocean: "Fas" and they will go as cute ...

[rotmistr60]

This needs to be able to ditch their aircraft, fleet, military-industrial complex in a short period for the country. Well, let it be repaired, "modernized," for this reason it’s neither cold nor hot for us.

[Alexander 3]

Well, as in the saying - (give a fool a glass x ..... he will break it right there)

[svp67]

Quote: rotmistr60

This needs to be able to ditch their aircraft, fleet, military-industrial complex in a short period for the country.

A quarter of a century, even more, such as a SHORT term can not be called ...

Quote: rotmistr60

Well, let it be repaired, "modernized," for this reason it’s neither cold nor hot for us.

In your comment, the keyword "BYE" ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: rotmistr60

This needs to be able to ditch their aircraft, fleet, military-industrial complex in a short period for the country.

For what short term? Here is the condition of the Belbek brigade of Mamchur for 2014:

In Crimea, the Air Force of Ukraine had the 204th tactical aviation brigade named after A.I. Pokryshkin stationed at the Belbek airbase near Sevastopol. In this part there were about 45 MiG-29 fighters and 4 combat training aircraft L-39 "Albatross"modernized in Odessa. The brigade was led by a military pilot of the 1st class, cf. Julius Mamchur.
It should be noted that, starting from the first years of independence, the fighting efficiency of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was constantly decreasing, but the situation became especially critical in the last four years, when the army actually found itself in the position of the stepdaughter of its state. Things were not in the best way in the 204th brigade. Only thanks to the efforts of the commander and personnel managed to maintain in service four MiG-29s, including one “spark”, as well as one L-39.

And this is not Kiselev’s propaganda, but the Ukrainian aviation historical journal Aviation and Time No. 02 for 2014.

[sq]

I wonder when the turn to the “Albatross” will reach. Well, as supplies of "non-lethal" weapons from the EU ...

[Zhelezyakin]

What for? After all, no self-respecting Ukro-patriot will sit at the helm of the heritage of the USSR! Only translate the hryvnia for nothing.

[Sergey53]

Need makes us return to the "hated Soviet aircraft." Do you still have spare parts for them, or are they already over?

[Masya masya]

I remembered the joke ...
- And who do you work?
“I'm getting paid to fight gravity.”
- Wow, are you a pilot?
- Yeah, loader ...

[gukoyan]

Ohhh, but what about decommunization ???
Or brothers from geyropi and fascinton do not want to share airplanes ???)

[Equalized]

Engines for the Su-27, MiG-29 and Su-24 are being repaired at the Lutsk Motor Plant.
The engines for the L-39 and Su-25 are being repaired at the Odessa Aircraft Repair Plant. The composition of Su-27 now includes more than 30 active Su-27 one-seater and Su-27UB. In total, there are + -54 boards, it seems they decided to restore everything they can. Su-27 are distributed in the 831-th TA brigade and 39-th separate fighter squadron.

In the 2014 year of active Su-27 there were 15-17 boards, the number was almost doubled.

Photos from the factory where AL-31 is being repaired. There is a production of spare parts and a small CNC machine park. Equipment for diagnosing engine operation and everything you need.

[Equalized]

Add more pictures from the company.

[rocket757]

They’ll cut either planes or loot ... rather, both.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

even if they bring them all into the system it will not help them in any way, Ukraine is doomed, the Maidan authorities themselves tear their society and their country to pieces ...

[next322]

the hatcozakidon of some couch patriots is surprising! But how long have they been in a similar state for themselves? only after 2014 they slowly began to crawl out of the full ....... if the war of 2008 didn’t happen, it was the same in Russia

[Sergey53]

Do you catch the difference?

[Kent0001]

Yes, yes, yes, in Khokhlostan they produce super armored personnel carriers, super tanks and export this stuff. How can those who cannot properly weld hulls on an armored personnel carrier can repair a plane and where 5 tanks are manufactured per year? Outwardly, these planes will not be so, and they will be able to make a maximum take-off and landing. This is my opinion. Maybe the specialists on this issue have completely different considerations with the old renovated OLD SOVIET (and where is the decommunization, why they weren’t cut, or handed over to the extreme region), the Hohlostan aircraft will become the leading aviation power in Europe.

[Sergey53]

Hoping to sell more to earn extra money. Yes, it’s evident that it was very hot.

[Equalized]

I will add pictures from the MigRemont factory where the aircraft themselves are already being repaired.
The glider is disassembled to the end and undergoes a major overhaul with the extension of the resource, the avionics are removed and sent to different enterprises (there are a lot of things, about 10 EMNIP enterprises are involved).
Then, the repaired AL-31 arrives from Lutsk, they put everything together, the plane is painted in the fashionable Pixel and sent to the air brigade.

Here is a photo of the last of the fresh boards from the factory

[sgr291158]

It can fly and fly. The question is how far.

[Equalized]

Well, since I uncovered so much photo material, it remains to add a photo from the final stop of all passengers!
Airbase of the 831th TA brigade, today :)

[Antares]

Quote: Equalized

Airbase of the 831st TA brigade, today:

thanks for the photo, drying is always beautiful, regardless of political preferences

[altynbay]

Good day. It seems to me that the main point is different. According to many members of the forum, this country was supposed to disappear in 2014. And she still dares to repair planes, upgrade tanks, build missiles and armored personnel carriers. The army, more or less battle-worthy, was created at our side.

[bober1982]

Quote: altynbay

It seems to me that the main point is different.

Western friends have invested too much money in what is now called Ukraine, who will allow all this menagerie to disappear. This is for a long time.
As for the repair of the Su-27, as well as other a / technology - all this can come in handy unless in a confrontation with Eastern European countries.

[Sergey53]

The point is different. If you constantly harass everything Soviet that you hate so much, then why all the rest?

[Astoria]

According to many members of the forum, this country was supposed to disappear in 2014.

And that Ukraine has not disappeared? Ukraine disappeared - but the outskirts remained. A third of the population scattered (healthy and efficient).

[MMX]

Quote: altynbay

Good day. It seems to me that the main point is different. According to many members of the forum, this country was supposed to disappear in 2014. And she still dares to repair planes, upgrade tanks, build missiles and armored personnel carriers. The army, more or less battle-worthy, was created at our side.

Yes. And that too.
I hope that the leadership of our country has a strategy for today's Ukraine (for returning it to the bosom of Russian influence), since I personally do not like the fact that we are having an openly Russophobic country modernizing its army.

P.S. I also hope that there is a plan for a military solution to the Ukrainian question (in the most negative development of the situation).

[BARKHAN]

Quote: altynbay

Good day. It seems to me that the main point is different. According to many members of the forum, this country was supposed to disappear in 2014. And she still dares to repair planes, upgrade tanks, build missiles and armored personnel carriers. The army, more or less battle-worthy, was created at our side.

Blush on the cheeks and gleam in the eyes can be not only a sign of health, but also symptoms of consumption ... You have no doubt. You are doing everything right. And your government is doing the right thing. And your army. You are all going in the right direction ...

[Mikhail Zubkov]

I know Russian SENIOR officers from the headquarters of the Odessa district of the USSR Air Force. After taking the dill, the "people of Ukraine" began to call them one at a time to the Special Department and ask strictly whether the pan officer would shoot the Russians if there was such an order from Kiev. After that, several officers quit even without a pension and an apartment, but MOST remained to serve up this oh dill, although a special officer was sent to X.

[Equalized]

Today I am painfully active, I would also like to add to the account of camouflage aircraft. Not all boards have a trendy “pixel” camouflage. Only those who in recent years have visited an aircraft repair enterprise have it.

Here are photos of September 2017. Board number 41 and number 30 in the old camouflage, "Flora" if not mistaken. From this we can conclude that part of the fleet is supported only by the TEC of the aviation brigade to which they belong. The condition is apparently good and did not have to drag them so far yet - in Zaporozhye.

[Kent0001]

From what moment to start laughing, I think you can from the headline. Yes, and they will spoil the missing components and assemblies from plywood with a jigsaw.

[Livonetc]

Quote: altynbay

Good day. It seems to me that the main point is different. According to many members of the forum, this country was supposed to disappear in 2014. And she still dares to repair planes, upgrade tanks, build missiles and armored personnel carriers. The army, more or less battle-worthy, was created at our side.

By what criteria did you determine an army that was independent of the combat-ready?
We have order.
And at the side of the "more or less" order provided.
Instantly, "combat-ready" in the undead was defined.
And punishers are not the army.
Here the Georgians had an army prepared by the same masters.
As soon as the punishers turned so only the heels and caterpillars sparkled towards Tbiliso.

[altynbay]

Read the reports of volunteers from the Donbass. The same Murza (königteiger) for example. Hello writes.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: altynbay

The same Murza (königteiger) for example.

Epic saga about tangents or methods of destruction by crews of internal and external communication systems of equipment entrusted to them.
Murza and other volunteers are no longer talking about the enemy, but about the troops of New Russia. And the picture they describe is not happy. The same tank militia attack on the oporniks in the Debaltsev operation in the description of the participants is very different from official bravura reports and journalistic stories.

[altynbay]

they have exactly the same. so in my opinion is called his post

[Astoria]

Judging by the non-combat losses and the number of deviators, this is a powerful military force in the galaxy, and maybe in the universe.

[Troll]

The bottom line, this is just the beginning .. The beginning of the restoration of military aviation. They will rebuild (rebuild) a little infrastructure, educate technicians, raise pilots, then, as always, start asking for lethal weapons .. In this case, some F16. And I’m not sure that they will be refused, more than sure that Ukraine will return to the camp of Russia's allies. How unfortunate.

[altynbay]

Just tired of strategists from the couch, and goofy. Since 2013, I have been reading the site is very interesting. But lately, the quality of comments has been rapidly declining, especially when the news is being published. And I wanted to try to write about it myself. As our sergeant said, it’s better to overdo it so that you don’t stay awake.

[av58]

And here are the "strategists from the couch"? The plane is not a truck, a sledgehammer and a hacksaw for metal is not for him. In order to even simply remove from proper conservation, you need skills, knowledge, materials, and documentation, newsletters, I'm not talking about repair. The proof is the Ukrainian "repair" of the Croatian MIG-21, after which Croatia was left without fighter aircraft, and this is according to the Migremont profile! This is an old factory, still pre-war, the development of Su machines began after the collapse of the Union, there is no updated documentation for Sukhoi machines, now all ties with the developer are broken. So nothing good will come of it, although they will certainly fly.

[Astoria]

Petya flew on litak and now everyone is sure Nenko got on the wing

[Astoria]

will grow pilots

- pigs have forgotten how to grow, and the pilots are swung

[Geisenberg]

Will they launch from a trampoline or from a slingshot?

[av58]

To bring to some flying condition the Ukrainian “Migremont”, of course, will be able to. The quality of the cars is unlikely to be better than those of the MIG-21, which Ukraine handed over after the "repair" to the Croats. There is no documentation, no bulletins, no adequate spare parts ... You can put a new board, but nobody knows how it will work as part of the old car. In my opinion, there’s nothing to talk about.

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

And what, you can like that, practically "knee" to scatter, ask for repairs and assemble the Su-27? An astronaut firing a rocket in a barn is gaining reality.

[Nemesis]

Handicraft repairs will never yield significant results ... especially when you consider the lack of standard spare parts

[DEMENTOR]

well and how it will turn out ????

[Equalized]

Already succeeded. Read my comments on the news. The news was late on 2.

[asr55]

Of the remaining 40, you can probably collect two with a small resource of flight hours. Galloped all enameled.

[Mikhail Zubkov]

Quote: Equalized

Already succeeded. Read my comments on the news. The news was late on 2.

Well, it's normal - for 2 years not a single flight of the Su-27 to the Donbass. Fly - knocked down. So it’s better to repair and sell while the merchants are still there. Soon they will not be their last.