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Russia puts in order high-speed tanks T-80

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Until the end of 2017, another batch of Russian T-80s will be sent for modernization. Adaptation of the Soviettanks breakthrough "to the realities of modern war is planned to be completed next year.


The Russian army has about 3200 T-80 tanks, according to a report from the International Institute for Strategic Studies. Of these, 200 machines are in service, the rest are on conservation. The main operator of the "flying tanks" - Guards Tank Kantemirovskaya division

Russia puts in order high-speed tanks T-80


The key object of modernization was the fire control system, writes RIA News with reference to the specialists of "Uralvagonzavod". The standard sight of the T-80 will be replaced with the all-weather “Pine”: a thermal imager, a laser rangefinder and a target tracking machine ensure accurate shooting at any visibility at the maximum distance. A duplicate device will appear in case of failure or damage to the Pine, and an improved automatic loader will allow tank crews to use modern ammunition.

The 1100 gas turbine engine with horsepower will be significantly improved and, by analogy with the fighters, will have the opportunity of a short-term afterburner operation. The unique engine starts up on 40-degree frost without any problems, it easily accelerates the 46-ton tank to cruising 70 km / h and works steadily on any fuel: from diesel to aviation kerosene. By the way, the tank is hardly audible from the front: its design is such that the whistle of turbines and other noises remain behind.

In addition to the basic modernization, there is also an "improved package" - it assumes the replacement of the standard dynamic protection of the "Contact" with the modern "Relic". In addition, in both cases, comprehensive maintenance, thorough diagnostics and replacement of parts that have developed a resource are carried out. Tanks are upgraded in batches of several cars, depending on the needs and financial capabilities of the Ministry of Defense.

We remind you that just the other day several refreshed T-80BVs replenished the park of the Kamchatka Pacific Marine Corps compound fleet
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Mihanishche
    Mihanishche 8 December 2017 11: 59 New
    +6
    Well done our !!!
    Putin clearly keeps his promise, promised the T-80 to return to the troops - the boy made! :) Here I respect !!! One of the best solutions in recent years.
    Correctly threw Armata into the trash, the unfinished tank, stuck in parades.
    1. Berber
      Berber 8 December 2017 12: 04 New
      20
      I do not think that in the trash. Experimental series, touched the future. Yes, and the West should be scared - let them spend the loot. And the T-80 is an excellent tank, it will still serve. The correct, master's approach.
    2. Colonel
      Colonel 8 December 2017 12: 08 New
      39
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      Correctly threw Armata into the trash, the unfinished tank stuck in parades

      You understand what you said?
      1. just exp
        just exp 8 December 2017 13: 07 New
        +7
        and what is wrong ? it has been promised to us every year for 5 years now and nothing but promises and videos in tyrnet. and videos and kakly can do about their armored car wash.
        there would be smart people there, they would immediately say that the product is new, complicated, so wait 10-15 years later, as in the whole world (including in the USSR), but they promised it 2 years after the start of work (which is material generally nonsense) and, as one would expect, they crap one's pants, and for the past 5 times in a row, next year will be the 6th time.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 8 December 2017 14: 03 New
          22
          Do not promise 5 years. In the presence of 20 units, ordered 100 to break in the troops of the 1st tank in the field.
          1. just exp
            just exp 8 December 2017 14: 23 New
            +3
            The T-50 is also a dozen available, only these are not serial products.
            also with armatures. but ordered, well, you can write that you ordered 10000000 pieces. where is the data about this?
            and when will the remaining 2200 pieces be ordered? because five years ago we were promised 2300 armatures by 2020.
            and in general, I’m talking here not about whether there will be armata or not (sooner or later it will be, there will still be a lot of time before the 22nd century) but about the fact that ours promise something that we were not even going to perform. it's like a sucker promise, no one will ask you for a lie.
            So it turns out that the bureaucrats from the MO are holding us for suckers.
            but as the time passed, the songs began about what tests have been doing for years and so on. why, when in 2010 they promised in 2 years and PAK FA and armature did not know that the tests lasted for years? what are the delays and stuff?
            1. UAZ 452
              UAZ 452 9 December 2017 09: 14 New
              +6
              Read Sun Tzu: If you can do something, the enemy must consider that you cannot, if you cannot, the enemy must consider the opposite of this (the quote is very free, but it conveys the meaning).
              Reagan pushed the USSR with his SDI, and, by the way, is recognized as one of the best presidents of the United States. So you need to rejoice that our current leadership is learning from the mistakes of others and achievements (at least I want to hope so).
              1. Sergey53
                Sergey53 9 December 2017 10: 58 New
                0
                And for me it’s better to do it in silence, and put all the “partners” before the fact. I just read: "Russia will borrow money in RMB to circumvent sanctions. This will happen at the end of this or the beginning of next year." This is what we tell the USA for what?
                1. Valery Saitov
                  Valery Saitov 14 December 2017 09: 53 New
                  0
                  This is written by clerks. The first issue of OFZ in RMB may be sold to Chinese investors at the end of this or the beginning of next year, sources close to the deal told Bloomberg.
                  According to them, the Russian Ministry of Finance has already hired three banks - Gazprombank, as well as the Chinese Bank of China and ICBC, which will look for those who want to lend the yuan to the Russian government and organize the placement of securities on the Moscow Exchange. It will be 5-year bonds worth 6 billion yuan, or about 900 million dollars.
                  The Ministry of Finance’s project on the placement of RMB OFZs, which they started to prepare in 2014 after the first round of sanctions restrictions, is “in the final stage,” confirmed Elena Tchaikovskaya, head of the financial markets development department of the Central Bank of Russia, on Friday.
                2. Nick
                  Nick 25 December 2017 13: 54 New
                  0
                  Quote: Sergey53
                  "Russia will borrow money in RMB to circumvent sanctions. This will happen at the end of this or the beginning of next year." This is what we tell the USA for what?

                  And what are we reporting to the USA? bully
              2. just exp
                just exp 9 December 2017 11: 05 New
                0
                why did we tell the enemy that our armata and T-50 are already in service?
                or do they not stand with us, and does the enemy know about this?
                Sun Tzu would choke on green tea after reading your post.
                and in the USSR they didn’t fall for SOI, they showed how aggressive the states of this SDI were, but they didn’t take the program into account, because from the very beginning we carried out calculations that showed that at that time the SDI was technologically impossible.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 8 December 2017 15: 47 New
          25
          Quote: just explo
          and what is wrong ? it has been promised to us every year for 5 years now and nothing but promises and videos in tyrnet. and videos and kakly can do about their armored car wash.

          Do you need to file everything now and at once? Sit down at a kulman or at a computer, develop this platform, doctrine and tactics for it, then create a prototype at UVZ according to all these drawings, after endlessly try this platform in different modes, correct defects, jambs, create an arsenal, a new gun for that’s all ... then teach the combatant tankmen to work with this technique, then correct all the flaws again ... and after all this, write here the heresy that you scratched here.
          No one in the world has tried to create something like this and is trying to, even close to this result, have not come close. Despite the fact that this platform is being created for the next half century.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 8 December 2017 18: 24 New
            +5
            Your truth!
          2. just exp
            just exp 8 December 2017 20: 27 New
            +3
            Yes, I am aware that it is necessary to develop for a long time, and for a long time they will experience and eliminate defects and malfunctions.
            just tell me tightly please why I know about it, you know about it, even the watchman in the garbage dump knows about it, but do not know the directors of the military-industrial complex concerns, the defense ministers and the military commanders?
            I’m just stupid thinking that it’s just they MUST know, but it turns out they don’t need to know. then the question arises - what do they even know? I no longer exclude the idea that they generally do not understand weapons and all that they can do in their life is, for example, grilling kebabs or doing foot massage.
            why Zelin, who is the commander-in-chief of the Air Force, that is, he is kind of versed in aviation, promised the adoption of the PAK FA into service in 2012. and this is a pancake, considering that he had his first flight in 2010. 2 years after the first flight. % ^ * ^ & ^ *) * %%% $ for YF mattresses, the first flight of 1991 was put into service in 2006 and stood on the ground for another 3 years because the pilots lost consciousness, and someone especially gifted mother Ivo promised 2 years after the first flight.
            this body did not know that products of this level were being developed. tested, refined for years. and this is in those countries that did not have problems with finances and personnel, where the design bureaus were not collapsed (both the USA and the USSR), but here, in the current Russian Federation, where the design bureau does not have the same opportunities, where the country with finances does not so cool, where valuable personnel disappeared back in the 90s, and will do what even the USSR did not dream to do (5th generation 2 years after the first flight).
            but I don’t remember how there the pretzel’s fapilia is that in 2010, after the closure of the project Ob. 195 and the opening of the Armata project, promised to start the series in 2012? this one: *: * %%:%; * () did not know how many promising platforms are being developed and tested?
            why such woodpeckers at the helm of particularly important areas? yes materially, the locksmith from the Housing Office turned out to be more competent than these peppers, because he only needs to not open his mouth and carry nonsense that is doomed to failure in advance, because a priori it is impossible.
            1. Don
              Don 8 December 2017 23: 14 New
              0
              I’m boiling. understand
              1. just exp
                just exp 8 December 2017 23: 39 New
                +1
                it’s not just boiling, it’s already really bombing.
                it almost starts to twist when you read again how someone promises that they say that in a year or two we’ll put a fucked product in a series. I understand that 99% are lying and not blushing, and most importantly they understand that they are lying, and understand that others also understand that he is lying. but he doesn’t care about those around him, the main thing is that they would say well done and how great things are being promoted under their wise and sensitive guidance. therefore, give more funding and do not ask where did the past tranches.
                but there are those who are generally believed, I like KRET. and work perfectly and do not PR from scratch. Well, even in this regard, Almaz Antey is also fine, they work, although they have failures (missiles for a polymer redoubt), but they at least do not promise paradise in six months.
                and the rest of the enterprises have no complaints about the engineers, they just work well, complaints about the authorities that are promoted by empty promises and public chatter. it’s time to introduce a criminal offense for unreasonable tryndzh - promised a product in 3 years, did not have time (except for reasons beyond your control) - on the bunk.
                and how sharply their tongue shortens after that. at what on a voluntary basis.
              2. Dart
                Dart 10 December 2017 10: 31 New
                +1
                Rather, it burned at the lad. In a hurry, like naked in the bath. There is not enough person to realize that in any situation in bl. For 10-20 years, they will fight and do all the work in that park that is (80,72, etc.). 100.200, 300, 500 Armats will not give any tangible gain. Only when the tank becomes massive.
                The same goes for the Su-57.
            2. Manul
              Manul 9 December 2017 00: 20 New
              0
              Quote: just explo
              why Zelin, who is the mother of the Air Force commander, that is, he knows the type of aviation, promised the adoption of the PAK FA for service in 2012. and this is damn, given that he had his first flight in 2010

              Why were they silent before? What knowledge .. Where?
              1. just exp
                just exp 9 December 2017 11: 08 New
                0
                I didn’t keep silent, I’ve been writing for a couple of years, and the boil began somewhere in 2015 when they again moved it to a year. it was enraging that they could immediately write that the project would take 10 years (the most realistic time and plus or minus a couple of years), but no, they had to promise in 2 years and then postpone the dates every year, and every year thousands of disappointments at the forums, we heard a fairy tale about the boy who shouted "wolves"? read at your leisure, and understand why after the 3rd time no one believed the boy, and also read how it ended.
                a fairy tale is a lie, but a hint in it .....
      2. Manul
        Manul 9 December 2017 00: 04 New
        +3
        Do not pay attention to trolls. For a simple exploit, I have long had suspicions. They need to work out their salaries. And we can no longer influence this without cons. Silent, swallow. What are they screaming, what is hami, what is with a pacifier ... They are not ours, that's all. And it was possible to throw out earlier ... winked
        1. just exp
          just exp 9 December 2017 11: 12 New
          +1
          if you don’t have enough of your suspicions, then I’ll tell you a secret (only shhh, this is a secret), you can click on my nickname and a window will open and there you can click on “last comments” there you can see all my posts, and try straining the gray matter and find also my "paid" posts. and for you personally I’ll inform you that I’m a bigger patriot than yours, I’m just a smart patriot who understands that we have weaknesses and shortcomings or failures, and you need to know about them, they need to be discussed, so as to avoid them in the future and correct them in the present .
          but there are people like you, they took the Terrible Airborne Regiment, and the Finns at 39m in words smashed with one left.
          It’s not for you to write to the mothers of the funeral, such as you only to ruin the people of the master, and not their parents’s forgiveness for their in vain (that is, one that could have been easily avoided if the brains had been applied at least once) to ask for death.
          1. Dart
            Dart 10 December 2017 10: 33 New
            0
            Drink valerian. God forbid, with such nerves ...
          2. Valery Saitov
            Valery Saitov 14 December 2017 10: 06 New
            0
            Brains are used and conclusions are drawn, about 14 thousand people died in Afghanistan, and 21 people in Syria.
    3. Finches
      Finches 8 December 2017 12: 10 New
      +6
      Apparently, from an urgent date, I am infinitely in love with the T-72, although I also had to ride the 80s .... The decision is 100% correct!
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 8 December 2017 17: 24 New
        +5
        You haven’t seen this before with 72 rear-view mirrors! laughing
        But when he served in the 15th Rechitsa Guards. TP, he was imbued with the 80s. drinks
        Again - and the BREM was on the basis of 72 matches. fellow
    4. seti
      seti 8 December 2017 12: 12 New
      12
      Quote: Mikhanishche

      Correctly threw Armata into the trash, the unfinished tank, stuck in parades.

      In which regiment did you serve making such stupid statements?
      If you say so justify.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 8 December 2017 12: 25 New
        23
        Quote: seti
        Quote: Mikhanishche

        Correctly threw Armata into the trash, the unfinished tank, stuck in parades.

        In which regiment did you serve making such stupid statements?
        If you say so justify.

        It served as a scribe. At the headquarters of the Mukh non-flying regiment.
        And it saw tanks only in pictures.
        Here are 100 pounds - exactly.
      2. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 8 December 2017 13: 50 New
        10
        He has not yet reached the army, judging by the style. laughing
    5. Nick
      Nick 8 December 2017 12: 17 New
      10
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      Putin clearly keeps his promise, promised the T-80 to return to the troops - the boy made! :) Here I respect !!! One of the best solutions in recent years.

      Yes, this is the right decision.
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      Correctly threw Armata into the trash, the unfinished tank stuck in parades

      Alas, here you were incorrectly informed. Fortunately, Armata is already being delivered to the troops. While making an experimental batch, for testing and refinement.
      And by the way, at the parades, Armata never got stuck. There was the only case of a sudden stop during one of the rehearsals in 2015. And that was the fault of an inexperienced crew. hi
    6. Piramidon
      Piramidon 8 December 2017 12: 28 New
      +9
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      They threw Armata right in the trash,

      I saw in the garbage bin under the windows? Entirely or in pieces?
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 8 December 2017 13: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Piramidon
        I saw in the garbage bin under the windows? Entirely or in pieces?

        Why are you clinging to Mikhan ...? he gets a 50% discount ... a rare inadequate. I consider his registration tired.
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 8 December 2017 14: 04 New
          +9
          Nah, this is not Meehan and not his next clone. This is some kind of fake.
          1. san4es
            san4es 8 December 2017 18: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: Svarog51
            Nah, this is not Meehan and not his next clone. This is some kind of fake.

            ... Healthy Seryog ... He mutated wassat ... Excessive cloning does not pass without a trace fellow
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 8 December 2017 18: 53 New
              +8
              Sanya, welcome hi Well, Meehan is not to blame, he never hid behind the "visor". And the writing style is completely different. I’m already worried about where he disappeared. Recently, someone specifically "hunted" him, "shot down" right on the rise of our "talisman". I have the feeling that the site was orphaned without it. recourse
    7. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 8 December 2017 15: 02 New
      +1
      If
      threw Armata into the trash
      we don’t have anything to fight at all. The T-80 (like the T-72B3) is a relic from the past, for him there are not even normal shells, because junk. Caliber Mango 45cm. armor penetration, what can be pierced with this shell, BMP? If there is no Almaty, so our ground forces will be backward.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 9 December 2017 07: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: _Ugene_
        The T-80 (like the T-72B3) is a relic from the past, for him there are not even normal shells, because junk.

        There are definitely no shells and aren’t producing anything anymore? Have you inspected all the arsenals?
        1. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 9 December 2017 11: 42 New
          0
          You do not need to inspect anything, the information is in the public domain. What is the T-72 and their ilk main projectile for example? Mango, there is nothing more modern. 450mm armor penetration, and which modern tank can be pierced with such characteristics? No forehead. And at the Abrams, having pierced crowbars with scraps of about 900mm, any of our T-72s and the like breaks guaranteed to any place with 3 km. And it is impossible to make scrap with such penetration for our T-72, 80, 90, it does not fit the automatic loader in dimensions, the maximum length is 74 cm. And so in everything - if the tank is out of date, it is time to change it until the Armata river, our tanks are competitive, God forbid war, they will be burned like matches.
          1. tank64rus
            tank64rus 14 December 2017 19: 13 New
            0
            Enough has done everything already, and shells and protection are already there.
            1. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 15 December 2017 11: 48 New
              0
              can tell what exactly did, for example on sub-caliber shells?
    8. NF68
      NF68 8 December 2017 15: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Mikhanishche
      Correctly threw Armata into the trash, the unfinished tank, stuck in parades.


      Problems for new models of technology are commonplace. It takes time to eliminate these problems, and only then will it be possible to judge how much this successful / unsuccessful MBT sample is.
    9. Aleksandr67
      Aleksandr67 8 December 2017 18: 33 New
      +2
      Armata is the tank of the future, and for the time being, a tank is needed that runs on any fuel and starts at -40 degrees, especially for the Far East and in the far north.
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 8 December 2017 18: 58 New
        +6
        Alexander hi So this is it.
        At present, a tank that runs on any fuel is needed and starts at -40 degrees, especially for the Far East and in the far north.
    10. max702
      max702 9 December 2017 00: 43 New
      0
      [quote = Mikhanishche] unfinished tank stuck in parades.
      [[quote = Michiganishche]
      Idiot! On the rehearsals the tank was stalled under the control of a muzzled conscript ... and stink up to heaven for many years, there’s nothing to complain about anymore .. There are more complaints to the Moscow Defense Ministry why they’ve put at least the most important event of the year to manage the main novelty of the parade, don’t understand anyone .. It is completely incomprehensible what purpose there was pursued .. UVZ was provided with a staff of experienced driver mechanics, but no MO, you see, does everyone know much better .. yeah ..
  2. Trevis
    Trevis 8 December 2017 11: 59 New
    +3
    The right tank, what else can I say?
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 8 December 2017 12: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Trevis
      The right tank, what else can I say?

      Are there many types of MBT in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? T-90 **, T-72 **, T-14, and also T-80 ** Is this a dispersion of forces and means
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 8 December 2017 12: 09 New
        +6
        Well T14 is expected. All T90 and T72 are upgraded to T90m. in the end, as always, we have two families of tanks: T80 / 90. even when T14 is spiced, for many more years its quantity will be small, what would be called a “variety”.
        1. Lars971a
          Lars971a 8 December 2017 13: 21 New
          +1
          Bring the fire control systems T-80, T-72 to the level of T-90. On the T-90, the goose is eighty, only the track rollers are left to put the T-80 and the chassis will be the same on all three tanks, the T-80 suspension is the best of all these tanks. I don’t know why Nizhny Tagil T-90 left the T-72 track rollers, and the goose was taken by the T-80. Here, there were tanks the same in running gear, and differed only in engines and gearboxes
      2. Skeptic
        Skeptic 8 December 2017 12: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        Are there many types of MBT in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? T-90 **, T-72 **, T-14, and also T-80 **

        The first time I saw the armature I thought that we were deceived. For me, the t-14 is more like an experimental platform for the study of unusual conceptual solutions. According to the evil genius of politicians and PR managers turned into what we have.
      3. Nick
        Nick 8 December 2017 12: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: Trevis
        The right tank, what else can I say?

        Are there many types of MBT in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? T-90 **, T-72 **, T-14, and also T-80 ** Is this a dispersion of forces and means

        Yes, the abundance of various types of arms and military equipment in the troops significantly complicates the work of logistics services. But, T-72 and T-90 have many unified, interchangeable nodes. Yes, and the T-80 provided with spare parts for many years to come, thanks to the Soviet reserve. Here with "Armata" there may be problems in operation. And there are no specialists in it so far in the troops, and there may now be problems in providing spare parts and consumables, but this is not critical. "Armat" in the troops can now a couple of dozen, and those are still in trial operation.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 8 December 2017 14: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Nick
          Yes, the abundance of various types of arms and military equipment in the troops significantly complicates the work of logistics services.

          As far as I understand, all the same they are trying to equip each military unit with a similar type. So the T-80, as far as one can judge from the article, is delivered mainly in "canting", so as not to create a "hodgepodge" for all connections and not to dislocate the brains of the rear services.
          1. Nick
            Nick 9 December 2017 01: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Piramidon
            So the T-80, as far as one can judge from the article, is delivered mainly in “cantemation” so as not to create a “hodgepodge” for all compounds and not to dislocate the brains of the rear services.

            That's Glory to God! Everyone is doing it wisely ... hi
      4. Horst78
        Horst78 8 December 2017 12: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Chertt
        Are there many types of MBT in the RF Armed Forces?

        It is a completely normal approach if you divide the types by purpose and region. It will be bad if the types mix. A complete nightmare will be for supply, maintenance and repair.
        1. NKT
          NKT 8 December 2017 12: 54 New
          +1
          Why divide them by purpose? On the contrary, tank battalions with T-72/80 should be diluted with a T-14 company.
          1. toha124
            toha124 8 December 2017 13: 23 New
            +3
            Or make the T14 a tank of high-quality amplification for the directions of the main attack. He is clearly very expensive. Will it be able to quantify MBT? And is it necessary?
            1. just exp
              just exp 8 December 2017 14: 27 New
              +1
              I have long been proposing to revive the heavy tanks with us, since the MBT has a fair weight limit of 50 tons, you can make a tank weighing up to 75 tons, but since it will not pass through all the bridges, then bring them cleanly to the breakthrough places. if you leave the T-72,80,90 layout, but increasing the weight to 75 tons, we’ll get such armor (even the old T-72,80,90 are badly taken on the forehead) so what the hell is a gun or missile that will pierce our tanks in attack, and if the armor is made of new steel, the one that was made for armata (15% stronger) and with new fillers, DZ and KAZ, then in general no one will stop our tanks.
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 8 December 2017 19: 11 New
                +5
                The Germans have already created the "Tiger" - this did not help them. T-34 was in Berlin. Tiger in Moscow - only at the exhibition of captured technology. The new armor will not save a single tank, anti-tank weapons are also being improved. Only the correct use of tanks will bring victory. The main detail of the tank is its crew. IMHO. hi
                1. just exp
                  just exp 8 December 2017 20: 12 New
                  +1
                  and the Germans created PzIII, IV, V, it didn’t help them, the IS-2 was in Berlin, and the PzIII in Moscow - only at the exhibition of captured equipment.
                  new armor will save any tank if it is not in the trailer behind the tank.
                  and I ask you to read my post again where I alluded to the fact that such tanks (heavy) will be used only for breakthroughs of defense. where the attacking tanks for the most part come in the forehead, so many things fly in that usually the tanks then have heartburn, burns inside with a bang, and the crew is digested so that even the ashes do not remain. and you won’t believe if the armor is made thicker (but not just thicker, and you get something like T-10, but put on normal combined armor, cover it with modern DZ like Relict. And even better like Malachite, and cover this whole thing with Afghanite ( it can be set not only on Armata), then the number of wrecked tanks will decrease sharply, which means that the chance to break through the defense will increase significantly)
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 9 December 2017 07: 21 New
                    +6
                    What you described, to create using modern materials and technologies, in principle, is possible. But where is this "land dreadnought" used? And then, other qualities will suffer at the same time - speed, maneuverability, mobility, and cross-country ability. Designers are not in vain looking for a compromise solution. Strengthening the armor leads to weight gain, you need a more powerful engine and do not forget about the weight distribution, the bulk of the armor in the forehead. This has all been discussed on the forum and more than a dozen times.
                  2. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 9 December 2017 08: 08 New
                    +1
                    Quote: just explo
                    new armor will save any tank if it is not in the trailer behind the tank.
                    and I ask you to read my post again where I alluded to the fact that such tanks (heavy) will be used only for defense breakthroughs. where the attacking tanks are mostly in the forehead, so many things arrive ...

                    The thickness of the armor (heavy tanks because of this were heavy) now does not solve anything. Modern anti-tank weapons are capable of piercing armor up to 1 meter thick. Therefore, the emphasis is on the creation of new types of active protection, which can be installed on MBT, and not build clumsy hundred-ton monsters.
                    1. just exp
                      just exp 9 December 2017 11: 02 New
                      +1
                      You will not believe it, but modern armor is different from the armor of those who stood on the T-34.
                      and differs not only in alloys, but also in the fact that it consists of many materials, and these materials do not mix with each other, but go in layers, and therefore probably already from the time BEFORE my birth there is such a term - the equivalent of the thickness of a homogeneous armor. by the way, the penetration of PTS also changes in the thickness of homogeneous armor, but I repeat - the equivalent does not mean the exact value, and the actual thickness of equivalents of 1000 mm of homogeneous armor can be less than 300 mm. and these 300mm will not be able to break through an ATGM with a breakdown ability of 850mm homogen.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 9 December 2017 17: 08 New
                        +5
                        ATGMs are already breaking through more than a meter, and this is not the limit. The war of armor and shell continues with varying success. hi
  3. Zibelew
    Zibelew 8 December 2017 11: 59 New
    +4
    Of these 3200, the most outright junk is in storage. With regards to the T-80BV, which replenished the Kamchatka Union of the Pacific Fleet’s marine corps, most likely they simply removed the work item from storage, podshamanil slightly and that's all. In essence, they either have to be disposed of or a resource must be worked out first. I think the latter is more important, all the same, at the moment, Armata is delayed, like so much more, and the situation is only heating up.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 8 December 2017 12: 03 New
      +3
      Where does this data come from?
      1. Zibelew
        Zibelew 8 December 2017 12: 49 New
        +2
        See how the tanks from the GDR were stored.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 8 December 2017 17: 39 New
          +6
          Store shit, yeah. But why are they from the GSVG, did not catch. In the GSVG there were 64 and 80, in the South Ossetian Army 64, in the Central Army and the Special State Army 72. And to 72 and 80 - this is only in the Union, probably. Once he served next to the BHVT, there the tanks were guarded, in cocoons, etc. True, in the USSR Armed Forces. And the video is a mess, of course. In my opinion, it was about the tanks of the former training division in Elani, no?
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 8 December 2017 19: 17 New
            +7
            Valentine, welcome hi I somehow got lost in the flow of information, in the series "... and our tanks are fast" it is said that the T-64 did not leave the borders of the USSR. T-72 and T-80 personally seen in the GSVG. What don’t I know? Share, please. repeat
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 9 December 2017 16: 45 New
              +5
              Salute, Sergey! drinks The 20th Guards OA GSVG was in the 64s. This, as it were, is a fact verified personally laughing The tank from the "training" in Forst Zinn, into which the German Prezd flew into, was also the 64th.
              I know about UGV, because the commander of the T-64 tank studied at the school with me, he came from there. Specifically, the T-64B.
              But I have never seen the 72s in the GSVG. Generally. Although, it seems, only in the north of the GDR was not. However, everything was so changeable, they could enter / withdraw during the current year. In the NNA of the GDR, it seems, there were just 72 matches.
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 9 December 2017 17: 23 New
                +7
                Valentine, my respect hi Well, as much as I believe with my own eyes, we went to the training ground, as God saved our Zil-131, only he knows, only we drove through the highway, three T-72s, literally “flew over”. I remembered those tanks for life, I was in the back, it’s definitely not the T-64, but the T-72. Leipzig also drove through the service, two football fields lined with tanks - an impressive sight ..
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 9 December 2017 21: 52 New
                  +5
                  Sergey, no offense, but for understanding - you probably distinguish 80 from 72?
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 10 December 2017 08: 28 New
                    +6
                    If I go in from the stern and put on glasses, then I’ll probably distinguish them. wink
                    Here we have the T-72 in Yuzh, I had a chance to visit there more than once.

                    I saw the T-80 live in Wünsdorf in the 84th, though I couldn’t get close.
          2. 26rus
            26rus 8 December 2017 20: 53 New
            0
            In the SGV, seventy-two were not born. Sixty-two changed to eighties.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 9 December 2017 16: 56 New
              +5
              For SGV, perhaps, got excited. Just a memory of the name 72-ki - "Varshavyanka". fellow
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 9 December 2017 17: 27 New
                +7
                And why were the 72nd in Poland then needed? They were given a license and they issued them themselves. Our group was armed with 80s, then the Psheks were allies.
    2. Train
      Train 8 December 2017 12: 08 New
      +2
      Yes, they will fix it, and spare parts and capacities, then go and have a look and do it.
    3. hrych
      hrych 8 December 2017 12: 17 New
      +7
      Quote: Zibelew
      Of these 3200, the most outright junk is in storage.

      Where did they get it? The storage cycle provides for monitoring, periodic engine starting and system verification. From storage they went for modernization of the Mig-31, Tu22M3, even the nuclear cruiser may be sent for modernization by removing it from storage.
    4. Nick
      Nick 8 December 2017 12: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Zibelew
      Of these 3200 in storage, most outright trash. With regards to the T-80BV, which replenished the Kamchatka Union of the Pacific Fleet’s Marine Corps, most likely they simply removed from storage what was working, podshamanil slightly and that's all.

      Where such confidence? Did you participate in the selection?
    5. Piramidon
      Piramidon 8 December 2017 16: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Zibelew
      Of the 3200 in storage, most outright rubbish .... most likely they just simply removed what was working from storage, slightly sham and that's it. In essence, they either have to be disposed of or a resource must be worked out first.

      These are the words of the troll, and not a decent blogger, especially on VO. Do you have specific data to confirm your conjectures, besides the "most likely" for these tanks?
    6. Valery Saitov
      Valery Saitov 14 December 2017 10: 20 New
      0
      Well, don’t tell me. In Omsk (developer), the T-80 is upgraded in three shifts, as are the Solntsepeks.
  4. newcomer
    newcomer 8 December 2017 12: 02 New
    +5
    I wonder if they will be upgraded to the level of BVM? I saw in the internet, a good car. still interesting: will there be a continuation of the 80s family in the fourth generation?
  5. d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir 8 December 2017 12: 05 New
    +3
    the peculiarity of its design is such that the whistling of turbines and other noises remain behind

    supersonic!!!!!!! good
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 8 December 2017 12: 29 New
      11
      Quote: d ^ Amir
      the peculiarity of its design is such that the whistling of turbines and other noises remain behind

      supersonic!!!!!!! good

      No. But - really - when 80 is coming at you - you can't hear her.
      The only thing - sometimes it roars when shifting gears, maybe it’s necessary, maybe it’s a mehan that messes up.
      Himself not eighty times, but after my beloved "power-saw bench" - charm, of course, not a toy good
      1. Al13
        Al13 8 December 2017 13: 15 New
        +2
        audible audible from 50 -100 meters. how the caterpillars tinkle when the first time I saw a tank roll almost silently - ofigel, but when compared with diesels, so finally ...
      2. Lars971a
        Lars971a 8 December 2017 13: 32 New
        +4
        The GT-T-80 gas turbine consists of two turbines of the 1st and 2nd stages and one power turbine that drives the gearbox through a gearbox that reduces the revolutions of the ST from 30000 to 3000. The power turbine is PCA (adjustable nozzle unit) and depending on how the PCA delivers gas to ST if under load the engine is almost inaudible, and if in braking mode the engine starts to work as if louder. It's just such a feature of this engine
    2. Nick
      Nick 8 December 2017 12: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: d ^ Amir
      the peculiarity of its design is such that the whistling of turbines and other noises remain behind

      supersonic!!!!!!! good

      turbine noise is a high-frequency “whistle” that is perceived worse by the ear than a low-frequency rumbling of a diesel engine, and it attenuates at a distance much more strongly. A short sound wave penetrates poorly and bypasses obstacles, including the hull of the tank that drowns it well. The noise level produced by the turbine is also lower than the sound of a piston engine.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 9 December 2017 08: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: d ^ Amir
      the peculiarity of its design is such that the whistling of turbines and other noises remain behind

      supersonic!!!!!!! good

      Apparently, it means that the hull of the tank screens the sound in the front hemisphere. I did not serve in the tank troops, but I know from aviation that when the plane steers at you, the sound of the engines is quieter than when it comes from you and the exhaust nozzles are directed in your direction.
    4. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 9 December 2017 10: 27 New
      +1
      m-dya .... it was necessary to put this smiley:
      wassat or this one: fellow
      and soon the discussion in the candidate dissertation will outgrow the "noise from the T-80" .....
  6. Train
    Train 8 December 2017 12: 06 New
    +2
    It’s rare now that something pleases, but THIS is pleased. A sort of BT-7 for good "European" roads. A new life will be given to the animals.
  7. svp67
    svp67 8 December 2017 12: 10 New
    +1
    The standard T-80 sight will be replaced with an all-weather Pine: a thermal imager, a laser rangefinder and a target tracking machine provide accurate shooting at any visibility at maximum range.
    But this is in vain, it was necessary to leave the PDPN, and put “Pine” instead of a nightlight, as on the T-72BM-3 ... The sight is painfully good, and you can shoot ATGM with it.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 8 December 2017 13: 03 New
    +6
    This is just firewood in the furnace of war.
    For the fact that everything is gone I will not chat. not my topic, but I would like to ask - Will we restore the economy ??? - The military-industrial complex in fact cannot feed the country, with all due respect to the army and its needs, you need to deal with, restore much more necessary !!!
    1. Valery Saitov
      Valery Saitov 14 December 2017 10: 31 New
      +1
      UVZ and the Omsk branch not only rivet tanks, but there are plenty of civilian products (tractors, excavators, etc., look through the Internet).
      Attachments and spare parts (for EO-2621 excavator)
      Excavator - bulldozer EO-2621 V-2
      MZS-219 pile screwing machine
      Cast Tip Screw Piles
      Power equipment
      Mini - CHP container type
      METALLURGICAL PRODUCTION
      Carbon casting
      Traction clamp
      Railway casting
      Cast tips for screw piles
      Manganese casting
      Spare parts for ball mills
      Spare parts for coal grinding equipment
      Spare parts for gold mining equipment
      Spare parts for the equipment of cement plants
      Spare parts for mining equipment
      Links for caterpillar equipment.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 December 2017 10: 37 New
        +3
        I am happy for UVZ and any existing, developing industries in the country.
        Conversion and versatility are what you need ... errors 90g. should be a lesson for everyone!
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  10. Livonetc
    Livonetc 8 December 2017 13: 25 New
    +6
    Quote: rocket757
    This is just firewood in the furnace of war.
    For the fact that everything is gone I will not chat. not my topic, but I would like to ask - Will we restore the economy ??? - The military-industrial complex in fact cannot feed the country, with all due respect to the army and its needs, you need to deal with, restore much more necessary !!!

    Dear,

    With all due respect.
    And who works in the military-industrial complex.
    Is it not the people who feed on this and feed others?
    And the army itself is also a people.
    Well, the contribution to domestic science from developments in the military-industrial complex is enormous.
    No need to listen to liberoids.
    Just look at the USA.
    Their defense industry has been feeding for a long time.

    Another thing is that everything needs to be developed.
    Regarding the T80, an article for the 14th year about the systematic restoration of the T80 at the plant in Strelna.
    https://topwar.ru/56459-fotoreportazh-s-61-go-bro
    netankovogo-remontnogo-zavoda.html
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 8 December 2017 14: 03 New
      +5
      He served and worked for the "war" for a long time. I can’t separate myself from the army in any way!
      Now in the food industry, VERY big production ... for the army and for the country we are doing what we can. I would like that our and similar productions would develop. rather than falling apart. There is such a concern, I don’t dwell in the clouds, we work on the ground.
      I rejoice for any open or restored factory, along with all compatriots.
      The country will be stronger, people will live better and the heaps will not turn up against us.
      This is such a philosophy! What's wrong?
  11. bald
    bald 8 December 2017 13: 38 New
    +4
    The addition of tank quality, most importantly, when he showed his own, it is always great. The T-80 is a very powerful machine. The most important thing is that we must not forget about the crew’s claims. A cool tank.
  12. alexmach
    alexmach 8 December 2017 14: 17 New
    +1
    By the way, the tank is almost inaudible in front: the design feature is such that the whistle of turbines and other noises remain behind.

    Well, yes, they forgot to add that this is only possible when driving at supersonic speed
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 8 December 2017 14: 30 New
      +5
      No, everything is exactly as it is written. Learn the mat part.
      1. bald
        bald 8 December 2017 15: 52 New
        +1
        Guys - give us all the subtleties and shortcomings - I want to say this: you, tell this not only to the developers. Any technique should be on top flight
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 8 December 2017 18: 03 New
        +1
        The materiel reports that sound waves in the air propagate evenly in all directions.
        1. bald
          bald 8 December 2017 20: 58 New
          0
          But it wouldn’t be bad to think and install a 5th generation system (invisibility) a novelty for developers ---? rave.
  13. Kent0001
    Kent0001 8 December 2017 14: 30 New
    +1
    This is the potential of technology !!! We still use the backlog of our ingenious ancestors from the USSR. The good news is, it is a pity the South Koreans will not return the t-80 to us.
  14. san4es
    san4es 8 December 2017 18: 11 New
    +4
    T-80 Tank biography soldier
    1. Zubr
      Zubr 8 December 2017 18: 42 New
      +1
      Well, at the expense of the killer, I do not agree .. smile Better peacemaker .. smile Sounds nicer .. smile
    2. Manul
      Manul 9 December 2017 00: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: san4es
      T-80 Tank biography soldier

      Great video! Thank! I haven’t seen such a capacious, accessible, successful presentation of technology for a long time ..
  15. Zubr
    Zubr 8 December 2017 18: 40 New
    +2
    With an alliance, this tank terrified the entire NATO bloc in Europe. Especially our sworn "friends" for Lamanche. How many times NATO’s war scenarios in Europe were calculated, even with the use of tactical nuclear weapons, our T-80 broke through the defenses to Lamanche. Actually for what it was created. Well, God forbid. Pleased, very pleased.




  16. foreman
    foreman 8 December 2017 18: 48 New
    0
    most likely and armature and su-57 run in Syria!?
  17. vladimirasha
    vladimirasha 8 December 2017 19: 16 New
    0
    Wow, I already thought that Serdyukov replaced all of them with the one. With which he was going to fight. And almost did not defeat the Georgians in 2008. As I understand it, by direct order from the State Department. Well, now he is raising our GROWTH to the same HEIGHT. Thanks EXAMPLE AND The main thing they know where to assign. SOON OUR RUBBER HELICOPTERS will scare the whole world.
    1. Valery Saitov
      Valery Saitov 14 December 2017 10: 35 New
      0
      In 2016, a total of 208 vehicles were built at Russian helicopter plants. Volumes of helicopter production at the enterprises of the Russian Helicopters holding in 2016 remained at the level of 2015.
  18. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 8 December 2017 19: 45 New
    0
    In addition to the basic modernization, there is also an “improved package” - it involves replacing the standard dynamic protection “Contact” with a modern “Relic”.

    We need active protection.
  19. flanker7
    flanker7 8 December 2017 22: 12 New
    0
    Hooray!
    To give new opportunities to a tinned car is so right!
    Let our tank crews hear the sound of its engine and smell the burnt kerosene for more than one generation!
    This is a legendary tank!
  20. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 9 December 2017 00: 40 New
    +1
    When I served in the PGW and guarded these beautiful and powerful cars in our park on guard ... I wrote ... touched their armor ... soft, rough, but the power lies in front of you, the sleeping tamed beast ... until they wake up ...
  21. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu 9 December 2017 01: 27 New
    0
    And why not fasten a new turret and gun?
  22. SergF123
    SergF123 9 December 2017 07: 20 New
    +2
    Absolutely the right decision! Why rivet new tanks if the modernization potential is such that the old tank can be upgraded in the latest generation in a reasonable amount of time and money ?! Hang on new equipment, put new electronic warfare and hello javelin! The box itself is good ....