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Russia is not the USSR. It is clear, but we must live on

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Yesterday, the whole country was waiting for the voicing of Russia's position on the issue of removal of our team from the Olympics. Someone with understanding. Someone intuitively feeling the abomination of the situation. But everyone was waiting.




Agree, tell the president at any meeting that we are boycotting not only these games, but also the work of the IOC before the final and evidential trial of the doping scandal not only with Russian athletes, but with everyone, regardless of the country, in Russia there would be a holiday worse than what we saw after the annexation of the Crimea. And pride. Yes, and Putin's popularity would break through the sky and flew into space. Without "Proton". And, perhaps, not only in Russia.

But instead of a clear and unequivocal answer, we heard a vague mutter about the help to those athletes who will go to the games. About "we will do our best to ..."

And who prevented to do this before? You read interviews with leaders of sports federations and leading athletes and you are amazed at one fact. Everyone understood and waited for just such a decision! They waited and hoped for something. For what? At the mercy of the IOC? Did we give up?

Everyone has long understood that the Olympics today are not so much sports as political games. This is sounded hundreds, thousands, and maybe millions of times. And all these beautiful words from the motto of the Olympics long ago turned into just words. Athletes are well aware that today it is impossible to achieve record results without medicine. But to give businessmen money on these games - completely.

We noticed how beautifully the topic of OI on our television screens was replaced by events in Ukraine and Putin’s statement about the possibility of participating in the elections. Oh, my God, is there anyone who doubts the nomination of Putin as a candidate? Or is it true that the Russians, having broken their eyes after sleep, are running to find out what is in Ukraine?

And it looks very simple. Money, money and more money. Someone does not understand why our television magnates cut down on the broadcasts? On advertising and other sweets? What the hell, patriotism, when the grandmothers themselves go into the hands. In the specific hands of a particular person.

But back to joi. The president did not understand his own statement? Someone wrote there, and he voiced? The Russian team under the Russian flag and anthem was not allowed to compete.

What, there was not a single official who read the provision on the admission of athletes under the Olympic flag? But there everything is concrete. Without discrepancies. The athlete must either be stateless or represent an unrecognized state, or a political emigrant. Everything!

Some of our athletes can not act under the Russian flag for political reasons? Or in our country there is the status of "non-citizen", as in the Baltic States? And what's left? It turns out that we are an unrecognized state? And the president of Russia indirectly recognizes this.

But excuse me, but what about the "great power"? But what about "Russia plays a leading role in world politics"? But what about "today we must admit that not a single issue of world politics can be solved without the participation of Russia"? This is about us? Is this about our country? Or about some other, unknown Russia?

Once, in 1980, one great country refused to participate in the Olympics for political reasons. Do not hide it. Without making a sad face. Not playing a hurt child. And what sanctions followed from the IOC for this great country? None Nothing happened to the IOC. Wrapped and continued to work.

In 1984, another great country spat on OI. In the same way openly expressing everything that she considered necessary. And what sanctions followed for this country? Again, the IOC has flown around and continued to work. Moreover, both great countries have become even more authoritative.

It is worth noting that the 80 world record was set at the 104 Olympiad in Moscow (without athletes from the West). At the 84 Olympiad in Los Angeles (without athletes of the USSR and the socialist countries), the 32 world record was set.

Just because they were great countries. They did not “bubble” from their greatness, but simply were great. And they put in place all the officials of international public organizations.

But today it is impossible to compare Russia and the USSR. These are really two big differences. Different diplomacy, different sports, different elites.

Recall that the sport in the USSR was not politicized. Yes, it was a political demonstration, but it was based on mass popular sport. Many will remember now how coaches from sports schools and sections came to regular schools and agitated children. It was? It was.

And it is worth remembering what "denzhischi" had to fall off. And people were really healthy and really engaged, if not in sports, then in physical exercise. And it was from whom to choose frames for teams. And there were results.

What greatness can we talk about today? In a country where the Minister of Sport does not care about sports at all. His task is to report on the implementation of the plan. They participated there, brought so much gold, silver and bronze.

All these jumps and grimaces are no more than attempts by elites to prove their worth. At least the number of medals. And from here the desire of athletes even stuffed, even carcass, but to get to the Olympics.

In the USSR, athletes were not considered professionals. And in Russia - completely. To grow an athlete today, you need to invest in it. Since childhood. What should investments do? That's right, pay off at least. And make a profit. Both investors and athlete.

Let me compare. In the Russian Empire there were serf theaters, where serfs delighted landowners. And even toured. Today, of course, there is no serfdom, but the similarity with dependence on title sponsors can be traced. Banks, oil and gas companies, industrial holdings. Financial elite.

Hence the desire to please the owner and work out the money invested. Complete addiction. Independent so far already drawn two people: Gazzaev and Ovechkin. Here is a low bow to Ovechkin for his words, especially since it is unlikely that anyone will blame him for the lack of desire or motivation to play for the national team.

The rest must go. Need money. Well, and a bonus patriotic handout in the form of keys to the domestic car "Audi". Or Mercedes.

It is interesting to ask the same Larisa Semyonovna Latynina, did she, when she squeezed her 18 Olympic awards, did she think about prize money or about Mercedes?

Country once again smacked on Sopatka. Expected. I do not understand why the officials are so surprised at this, as if there was no disgrace in Brazil.

As well as it is not clear where all the same response? Where is the reaction of a great country whose leadership raises a wall to protect its citizens?

Apparently, the understanding that Russia is a great country is present only in our heads. Or those who need gas and oil cheaper. Or a multi-billion dollar loan to forgive.

The rest is all. And to change my mind with the construction of the gas pipeline, to bring down the plane, to derail the flag, and to throw diplomats out of the buildings, pick up and take out the archives.

Yes of course. Not great countries there prefer to just bomb. Or capture like Panama. So yes, we are great.

“Bread and circuses!” The motto is as relevant as ever, despite the millennial age.

Especially spectacles are needed when with bread sucks. With him, nothing yet, but let's see what the government's New Year's gifts will look like in terms of excise and other jokes. The crisis seems to be over, in the country deflation means a lot of money from the population. Need to withdraw.

And withdrawn, here, thank God, all filled their hands. Following the fuel expectedly all will increase. Checked already.

So, it is necessary spectacles. Here you and OI, here you and the World Cup. Have fun, people!

Have fun. At the screens. Maybe in terms of World Cup and burn out something. Not here, our football players who are fattened by unreasonable labor on the consumption of fees will show the same class as before.

Thank you, gentlemen. Especially Mutko and Zhukov. You are our guardians, what would we do without you.

I wonder what Mutko is connected with Putin? Also in one section on the fight went? Or, like Serdyukov, in Medvedev's relatives? Nothing else can explain the presence of Mutko against the background of the degrading results of domestic sports. The failed Olympiads, the failed championships, the utterly inaction in the doping scandal.

And he is not alone in terms of shows.

Here it is worth remembering Mr. Medina. All the multifaceted activities of our Minister of Culture has been reduced to the distribution of grants to theaters and directors. They put on "great" performances, make "great" films - so what? Is there at least one who, apart from his “greatness”, “discouraged” the funds invested in it? The West recognizes our contribution to world culture. Handsomely. But the residents of Norilsk somehow do not really recognize. And the people of Yamburg too. They did not see these "world masterpieces".

The ministers of what they are not interested at all. But the list goes on. Almost the entire cabinet. And we promise that we will continue.

And where is the chieftain of this very Cabinet? Why do such people feel comfortable in his government? Or do the “strategic decisions” that he makes on a daily basis make it difficult to look at the “tactical issues” of life?

And everyone is happy with everything. The president is satisfied with the prime minister appointed by him. The premiere suit ministers. And further along the chain.

In short, be glorified, Fatherland ...

Or maybe you should think? Should change the fate? And think about the fact that I would like to live really in Great Russia.

It is clear that 2018 year is already lost in all senses. Bread, circuses, elections ... But life does not end there, and it is worth looking further. In 2024 year.

Everyone knows that under a rolling stone water does not flow. Axiom. And if further develop this thought? The water wears the recumbent stone and turns it into sand. Today we are "lying" and talk about our greatness. About our victories and the ability to respond to any aggressor. And the water wears away ... And the rockets fall ... And we will not hear the hymn of Russia at the Olympics. And maybe the flag as a handout at the closure will be allowed to carry ...

We will survive somehow. We have such a fate - to worry. Others have the fate to live, and we have to worry.

But if now the stone does not move, then soon the sand from the place where he once lay, just wash away with a stream of water ...
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  1. Kazak_35
    Kazak_35 8 December 2017 06: 12 New
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    I join the author! I waited for an answer from the president in the style of zero "We will water in the outhouse !!!" And what I heard ... There is a bitter aftertaste left, the precipitate is very unpleasant! He used to support Putin very much, he really believed that if not he then who! And now I understand that it’s necessary to start fresh blood in the nulls. The older I get, the more pink paint comes off my glasses, gasoline costs 40 rubles in an energy power, with a salary of 50 thousand for me and 44 for my wife with two children we cannot afford to fly to rest in a hot country, change a car, at school , in the kindergarten, give, gasoline increase ON, housing and communal services increase another ON! They demand to donate money for water to children, the state does not have money to pay water to children in the kindergarten ... Here after such news, there is a desire to throw everything to black dogs and dump it from this country, it stops only that nobody needs me there and here are parents, friends, connections. We’ll stretch it out somehow, but it’s very tired of it.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 8 December 2017 08: 58 New
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      Well, why be surprised if even Lavrov yesterday met with Klimkin sincerely and both are happy! In general, the authorities do not care about the reputation and their people. Halls with mud are being watered day after day by Russia, and the inhabitants of the country, and our government, and the minister shakes hands as if nothing had happened. All about Ukrainians say that they are puppets, and ours is better? In response, they cannot make a single significant step; all concerns are continuous. Shame in general, really this thing with the Olympics opened the eyes of many
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      2. captain
        captain 8 December 2017 11: 50 New
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        Quote: Dangerous
        Well, why be surprised if even Lavrov yesterday met with Klimkin sincerely and both are happy! In general, the authorities do not care about the reputation and their people. Halls with mud are being watered day after day by Russia, and the inhabitants of the country, and our government, and the minister shakes hands as if nothing had happened. All about Ukrainians say that they are puppets, and ours is better? In response, they cannot make a single significant step; all concerns are continuous. Shame in general, really this thing with the Olympics opened the eyes of many

        I support you. Lavrov should have been immediately in the face of Klimkin, and cursing him to the fullest. Well, at worst, spit in the face. And then the "bastard" smiles. Not a Bolshevik act. Molotov’s case was a bit like that in the face of the Germans.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 8 December 2017 12: 28 New
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          Tolley Molotov’s case was,
          It is clear that Putin’s supporter and anti-adviser are one and the same. Only Molotov did not hit anyone in the face, but sought his own. And "Mr. No," this is the dream of current diplomacy. They sought for the country, but what did Lavrov do?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 12: 33 New
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            Quote: Gardamir
            And "Mr. No," this is the dream of current diplomacy.

            to achieve you need to become INDEPENDENT
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 8 December 2017 16: 07 New
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              As Yolanda Chen said at the very beginning of this "fuss": "In Soviet times, there was no ministry, but there was SPORT, now there is a ministry - but there is no sport!"
              And, judging by the fact that she now advocates that athletes ride on their own, albeit with a "white rag", it is clear that "Cat (Mood and Co.) left kittens ..."
              Personally, I myself consider such a development of events to be a disgrace and nothing more.
          2. your1970
            your1970 11 December 2017 12: 32 New
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            Quote: Gardamir
            Only Molotov did not hit anyone in the face, but sought his own. And "Mr. No," this is the dream of current diplomacy. Sought for the country
            -and what did "Mr. No" achieve in 1941? in 1942? in 1943? in 1944? in 1945? "No!" - Any ram will be able to speak, say "No!" so that the Allies opened a second front in 1941, this was the dream of diplomacy at that time. Do you find many references to Molotov’s work in the war? Yeah, once flew to England and the United States ..., then flashed at conferences at the catch of Stalin .. EVERYTHING ...
            Stalin did more diplomatic for the country than the chief diplomat ..
            1. My_log_in
              My_log_in 12 December 2017 11: 54 New
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              Mr. "No" is A. Gromyko, USSR Foreign Minister
        2. 210ox
          210ox 8 December 2017 13: 15 New
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          And why not put Safronkov on him .. That can put a ballot box on the head of the pan-head ...
          Quote: captain
          Quote: Dangerous
          Well, why be surprised if even Lavrov yesterday met with Klimkin sincerely and both are happy! In general, the authorities do not care about the reputation and their people. Halls with mud are being watered day after day by Russia, and the inhabitants of the country, and our government, and the minister shakes hands as if nothing had happened. All about Ukrainians say that they are puppets, and ours is better? In response, they cannot make a single significant step; all concerns are continuous. Shame in general, really this thing with the Olympics opened the eyes of many

          I support you. Lavrov should have been immediately in the face of Klimkin, and cursing him to the fullest. Well, at worst, spit in the face. And then the "bastard" smiles. Not a Bolshevik act. Molotov’s case was a bit like that in the face of the Germans.
    2. My address
      My address 8 December 2017 09: 02 New
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      Dear Vladimir! hi
      90 thousand rubles for four is still for 2 / 3 of the country a dream. Although you are absolutely right, not money is for the normal development of a family in an average city, because even children need to go to paid circles, and then get an education, and, God forbid, who will get sick and so on and so forth ... But there is still in the country those who look at your 90 with disdain. The so-called Elita, about which:
      Our Elita is developing in two directions: expanding its food supply, reducing dependence on the environment.
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 8 December 2017 10: 09 New
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        "Just do not talk about pasta ..." (from the movie "Take Care of Women")
        The word "elite" is in no way acceptable for those who want to assign various extolling terminology to journalists-empty chimes ... There is NO elite in our country !!! But there is a snickering group of “people”, robbing a gullible people, using the public wealth for personal enrichment and surrounding them, reckoning themselves to be “Bohemian”, but having nothing to do with it, picking up crumbs from the host tables and also imagining themselves elected. ..
        1. captain
          captain 8 December 2017 11: 45 New
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          Quote: moskowit
          "Just do not talk about pasta ..." (from the movie "Take Care of Women")
          The word "elite" is in no way acceptable for those who want to assign various extolling terminology to journalists-empty chimes ... There is NO elite in our country !!! But there is a snickering group of “people”, robbing a gullible people, using the public wealth for personal enrichment and surrounding them, reckoning themselves to be “Bohemian”, but having nothing to do with it, picking up crumbs from the host tables and also imagining themselves elected. ..

          Do not tell the "comrade" who sent them to us (a bunch of these)? Who raised them and with whom did they share when they plundered Russia? Due to my age, I found the times of Khrushchev and I dare to assure you that they spoke a lot about the good of the people, and the good was much less and worse than, for example, in Great Britain, the USA, Czechoslovakia, etc. And from that elite, the kids in the mines did not work and did not die on the collective farm. And what do you want now from their kids? They are now in power and continue the great work of their ancestors.
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 8 December 2017 12: 04 New
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            Quote: captain
            who sent them to us (a bunch of these)? Who raised them and with whom did they share when they plundered Russia?

            You are grown up.
            You are now serving them.
            And do not make a surprised person - read any of your comments and conclude who you serve.
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 8 December 2017 12: 33 New
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            the benefit was much smaller and worse
            yes you are a beggar! Probably parents from party leaders or diplomats? My father is a carpenter, my mother is a nurse and we had everything. And there is nothing to spit in the Union. Well, if you compare the Union with the current Russian Federation, then we lived much better (sorry that I do not use boyish enemies).
          3. moskowit
            moskowit 8 December 2017 12: 54 New
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            ... Because of my age, I found the times of Khrushchev and I dare to assure you ...

            Dear Yuri, you are certainly right, but you are mistaken in the main thing. The fact is that the current local, but external forces have been applied to their upbringing ... And, to the great regret, you don’t fit the role of a mentor ... Because, in your words, I still found the time of Stalin ... True at an unconscious age ....
            1. moskowit
              moskowit 8 December 2017 13: 35 New
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              And why is the word comrade in quotation marks? Do you consider yourself to be masters ?. Yes, I’m a true Comrade for young colleagues at work and at home .... Such an upbringing .... I know for sure that I won’t go to gentlemen ... stop soldier
        2. Ragoz
          Ragoz 9 December 2017 00: 37 New
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          moskowit:
          You are completely right: The main slogan of today's government in Russia is “The oligarchs of all countries are uniting.
        3. Old warrior
          Old warrior 9 December 2017 14: 07 New
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          In-in ..., not the elite, but parasites on the neck of Our state in the person of Our People.
        4. NKVD
          NKVD 12 December 2017 06: 34 New
          +1
          Let's call a spade a spade. We don’t have an elite, not even a group. There are thieves in power who steal state money, rob the people. And our Guarantor is not capable of anything except indicative flogging.
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    3. Vend
      Vend 8 December 2017 09: 27 New
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      in Russia there would be a holiday no worse than what we saw after the annexation of Crimea.
      Not for athletes for sure.
      Quote: Kazak_35
      I join the author! I waited for an answer from the president in the style of zero "We will water in the outhouse !!!" And what I heard ... There is a bitter aftertaste left, the precipitate is very unpleasant! He used to support Putin very much, he really believed that if not he then who! And now I understand that it’s necessary to start fresh blood in the nulls. The older I get, the more pink paint comes off my glasses, gasoline costs 40 rubles in an energy power, with a salary of 50 thousand for me and 44 for my wife with two children we cannot afford to fly to rest in a hot country, change a car, at school , in the kindergarten, give, gasoline increase ON, housing and communal services increase another ON! They demand to donate money for water to children, the state does not have money to pay water to children in the kindergarten ... Here after such news, there is a desire to throw everything to black dogs and dump it from this country, it stops only that nobody needs me there and here are parents, friends, connections. We’ll stretch it out somehow, but it’s very tired of it.

      It would be necessary to wipe the glasses, otherwise the pink paint would slip, and the black should be smeared, and the glasses should be replaced with stronger ones in order to see better. laughing What would happen after such a decision? A bunch of articles in the Western press that Russia is following the path of the USSR, a dictatorial regime. Why give a reason to strengthen Western opinion in their slander. But this approach, once again leaves the west with a nose. Well, of course, "sighted" patriots will stomp their legs and bang their hands. Turn on the brain, there is a big political war and not all battles can be won, most importantly Victory. Full and unconditional surrender, as was the case in 1945. And not otherwise.
      1. basmach
        basmach 8 December 2017 09: 52 New
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        It’s good that such clever people as Wend were not in the leadership in 20's, 30's, 4's, otherwise the Germans would not only get to the Urals, to Chita.
        1. Vend
          Vend 8 December 2017 09: 59 New
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          Quote: basmach
          It’s good that such clever people as Wend were not in the leadership in 20's, 30's, 4's, otherwise the Germans would not only get to the Urals, to Chita.

          Yes, imagination and the nearness of you rushing as much as laughter parses. You should at least learn the history of those years about which you write. Can you recall the Stalinist order not to provoke the Germans? Or the creation of Finland? Or the agreement of the Bolsheviks with the Germans? Write nonsense do not roll bags.
          1. captain
            captain 8 December 2017 11: 38 New
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            Quote: Wend
            Quote: basmach
            It’s good that such clever people as Wend were not in the leadership in 20's, 30's, 4's, otherwise the Germans would not only get to the Urals, to Chita.

            Yes, imagination and the nearness of you rushing as much as laughter parses. You should at least learn the history of those years about which you write. Can you recall the Stalinist order not to provoke the Germans? Or the creation of Finland? Or the agreement of the Bolsheviks with the Germans? Write nonsense do not roll bags.

            Why did the Lenin offend the sir? You do not understand that everything that happened before 1991 was paradise. And then it became HELL. But the general secretaries and the top of the CPSU are not to blame. All the damned West arranged and the children of our leaders from the CPSU lured everyone there. For example: Andropov’s children and grandchildren in Los Angeles, Khrushchev’s son and grandchildren are also in the United States, Stalin’s granddaughter is there, the daughter of the great dermocrat Secretary General in Europe and himself there, etc. The bulk of red-flag glasses does not take off; to listen to them, then everyone is to blame, except for their idols. It is not the CPSU that is to blame for the collapse of the USSR, but the black forces of the West. Sometimes I regret that you cannot use the great and mighty.
            1. Vend
              Vend 8 December 2017 11: 50 New
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              Quote: captain
              Quote: Wend
              Quote: basmach
              It’s good that such clever people as Wend were not in the leadership in 20's, 30's, 4's, otherwise the Germans would not only get to the Urals, to Chita.

              Yes, imagination and the nearness of you rushing as much as laughter parses. You should at least learn the history of those years about which you write. Can you recall the Stalinist order not to provoke the Germans? Or the creation of Finland? Or the agreement of the Bolsheviks with the Germans? Write nonsense do not roll bags.

              Why did the Lenin offend the sir? You do not understand that everything that happened before 1991 was paradise. And then it became HELL. But the general secretaries and the top of the CPSU are not to blame. All the damned West arranged and the children of our leaders from the CPSU lured everyone there. For example: Andropov’s children and grandchildren in Los Angeles, Khrushchev’s son and grandchildren are also in the United States, Stalin’s granddaughter is there, the daughter of the great dermocrat Secretary General in Europe and himself there, etc. The bulk of red-flag glasses does not take off; to listen to them, then everyone is to blame, except for their idols. It is not the CPSU that is to blame for the collapse of the USSR, but the black forces of the West. Sometimes I regret that you cannot use the great and mighty.

              I did not offend the Leninist, he offended himself. I showed that on the example of the actions of the Bolsheviks and Stalin, that in order to win, you sometimes have to lose. If the Bolsheviks did not agree to the Germans, the young country could die, if Stalin had not given the order not to succumb to German provocations, then the attack could have happened earlier. and the USSR needed time. But Stalin knew perfectly well that war could not be avoided, and he spoke about this at the Congress.
              And now the same thing is happening with athletes, we must win and so that unconditional surrender.
              1. VVK_VDB
                VVK_VDB 12 December 2017 23: 34 New
                +1
                Hehe, the IOC Commission will be selected. In general, I don’t understand why Mr. Zhukov was sitting on the podium - there is no NOC and Mr. Zhukov is nobody and there is no way to call him. So, a resident of London, grunts in Muscovy, and shows that he is a good kid, who will lead sports sheep to the slaughterhouse.
            2. Old warrior
              Old warrior 9 December 2017 14: 13 New
              +5
              Rotmister! Would you go to clean the sahibu’s boots: the malacholny monarchists-whites cannot do anything else ... and grab the Wenda, let the gentlemen learn to open the doors.
            3. ver_
              ver_ 11 December 2017 06: 12 New
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              ... about the Great and Mighty - it’s you completely in the hole ..
          2. basmach
            basmach 8 December 2017 14: 52 New
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            Well, about the Finns, their interim government let go, the Bolsheviks only ratified the agreement (statement of fact), the order of Stalin, so look at the story. The question was edge-against the aggressor will be the United States. By the way, Truman, 3 days after the start of the war, said, "If we see that the Germans are winning, we must help the Russians, if the Russians are Germans. And let them destroy each other as long as possible."
            But in the context of an agreement with the Germans in 18, it was someone to fight. The Red Army numbered no more than 35040 thousand and was at that moment on a voluntary basis (the call will be introduced at the end of 18). On the fronts (thanks to order No.1 of March 17), complete democracy and demagogy such as YOU (although I'm sorry, the demagogue is from the Greek leader of the people, obviously not about you, got excited). The Germans go to Petrograd, occupy Ukraine. Fight to the victory? And by whom. The world has given a respite to strengthen discipline.
            But if in those days Stalin and his comrades-in-arms were looking to the West and God forbid to give them a new reason to become stronger in their slander, then there would be no industrialization or victory, and we would not have been. Then, people like you, looking to the West, replenished the army of lumberjacks for the good of the Motherland.
            1. Vend
              Vend 8 December 2017 15: 00 New
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              Quote: basmach
              Well, about the Finns, their interim government let go, the Bolsheviks only ratified the agreement (statement of fact), the order of Stalin, so look at the story. The question was edge-against the aggressor will be the United States. By the way, Truman, 3 days after the start of the war, said, "If we see that the Germans are winning, we must help the Russians, if the Russians are Germans. And let them destroy each other as long as possible."
              But in the context of an agreement with the Germans in 18, it was someone to fight. The Red Army numbered no more than 35040 thousand and was at that moment on a voluntary basis (the call will be introduced at the end of 18). On the fronts (thanks to order No.1 of March 17), complete democracy and demagogy such as YOU (although I'm sorry, the demagogue is from the Greek leader of the people, obviously not about you, got excited). The Germans go to Petrograd, occupy Ukraine. Fight to the victory? And by whom. The world has given a respite to strengthen discipline.
              But if in those days Stalin and his comrades-in-arms were looking to the West and God forbid to give them a new reason to become stronger in their slander, then there would be no industrialization or victory, and we would not have been. Then, people like you, looking to the West, replenished the army of lumberjacks for the good of the Motherland.

              So you yourself and answered your claims. For wow, that is not always possible to win all the battles. The point was to justify these events? The only difference is that there is your favorite Soviet past, and here is the hated present. But these are double standards. When the same actions are justified to someone. but someone doesn’t.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 8 December 2017 15: 17 New
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                these are double standards.
                This is about you. already 17 the current ruler and worse and worse. Has the temporary retreat dragged on?
                1. Vend
                  Vend 8 December 2017 16: 45 New
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                  Quote: Gardamir
                  these are double standards.
                  This is about you. already 17 the current ruler and worse and worse. Has the temporary retreat dragged on?

                  Come on up laughing I am well aware of all the positive things that were done before the 1917 year and in Soviet times, the achievements of Stalin and the emperors of the Russian Empire. I can clearly see what positive changes are happening in Russia now. And I’m not going to pour mud because of political slablum and phantom pains of the past.
                  And those who are now poking a finger toward the president of Russia, add up at least the facts. A few hours after the IOC meeting to remove the Russian team, Putin announces his next nomination. Before that, he was silent. As they say, one reaches for the other, thereby Western politicians again lose.
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 8 December 2017 17: 13 New
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                    And those who are now poking a finger toward the president of Russia, add up at least the facts.
                    No arguing against the facts. Putin’s Russia is Russia of Medvedev, Chubais, Shuvalov. How much salary does Sechin have?
                    We must think about the people, and not about the imaginary war with the West. They have children and money there, and they ring us about the war.
                    1. Vend
                      Vend 8 December 2017 18: 29 New
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                      Quote: Gardamir
                      [
                      We must think about the people, and not about the imaginary war with the West. .

                      And here it is, imaginary war with the west. Well then everything is clear. and then the USSR, Stalin, the Slavic nickname. laughing And for the people, much has already been done and more is being done. And after the election, there will be another purge of government personnel.
                      And what about the salary of the Secretary-General, equal to the salary of a locksmith? laughing
                      1. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 8 December 2017 20: 42 New
                        +8
                        And for the people, much has already been done and more is being done.
                        hospitals are closing, taxes are rising. After the election, retirement time will increase, and peace with the Japanese can be concluded. The ratio between the salaries of the worker and the general secretary is less than the national average in comparison with the presidential one. And then there were no Millers and Sechins setting wages at the expense of the state.
                      2. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 9 December 2017 12: 44 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Wend
                        And what about the salary of the Secretary-General, equal to the salary of a locksmith?

                        The Russian people are eating red caviar ... through the lips of their general secretary.
                      3. Varyag71
                        Varyag71 12 December 2017 09: 14 New
                        0
                        It looks like a friend is in love with our political elite. It's like crazy grandmas from Putin’s squad. Pensions are beggarly, but they are ready to give their lives for him.
                  2. VVK_VDB
                    VVK_VDB 12 December 2017 23: 37 New
                    +1
                    Would Putin refuse to advance?
            2. SCHWERIN
              SCHWERIN 9 December 2017 10: 53 New
              +2
              As for the independence of the Finns, I agree. But why didn’t they support the “red” Finns and abandoned them during the civil? As for the beginning of the Second World War. What a fairy tale that the States would declare us an aggressor in the event of our preemptive strike. Then the States didn’t want to fight either. Moreover, speaking about the US position with regard to Russia and Germany, you contradict yourself. It is believed that we attacked Finland. 39 year old. Somersaulted there for a long time. Well, where were the United States? Apart from the participation of American Finnish volunteers, there was nothing there.
              Through the fault of Stalin and the military leadership, in several months we surrendered 1/3 of the country, millions of soldiers were captured, infrastructure was destroyed. Wouldn't it be better to attack the Germans before they attack? They had tanks so-so, there was no sensible artillery, they pulled guns with horse-drawn traction as in the PMV. In tanks and art, we were a cut above them. We had tractors for guns, which by the way we threw in during the retreat, and there were more than 1000 of them. went to the Germans.
              I think that a preventive strike against the Germans with all the reputational losses would be hundreds of times more useful than what happened. There would be no millions of victims, the destruction of cities, the siege of Leningrad, etc. Yes, we won, but at what PRICE ?!
              Something similar is happening now. On the one hand, we are cool, on the other we have to repent, anger, agree, apologize. This is not to the benefit of the population.
              I think that many understand that we will be hit by Ukraine and the Baltic states. Well, with the Balts it’s clear. They have sanctions, a decrease in transit. Everything seems to be right. But leapfrog with ukra annoying. It was necessary in the year 14 to send troops. Yes, the loss of reputation (although it was already from the Crimea). The West was not ready to confront us at that time. And so the Ukrainians raised their army, armed and trained with the help of the West. The population is motivated against Russia. This probably just wasn’t even in Germany at 41. Anti-Russian sentiments in Ukraine are going wild. The West has created Frankenstein on our borders, which without hesitation will kill, cut, burn.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 9 December 2017 12: 25 New
                +1
                Quote: SCHWERIN
                Wouldn't it be better to attack the Germans before they attack?

                Not better. Then the Second Front would be opened against the USSR. and We would have fought against the Germans, the British, America, and the Poles. America would win.
              2. KaPToC
                KaPToC 9 December 2017 12: 49 New
                +2
                Quote: SCHWERIN
                Then the States didn’t want to fight either.

                World War II is a complete US project that they created from scratch. They armed the Germans, they armed the Japanese. Of course, they didn’t want to fight, they wanted to use the results of the war without personal participation.
                Quote: SCHWERIN
                I think that a preventive strike against the Germans with all the reputational losses would be hundreds of times more useful than what happened.

                He, this preventive strike against the Germans, is physically impossible for natural reasons - the Wehrmacht mobilized three times faster than the Red Army.
                Quote: SCHWERIN
                They had tanks so-so, there was no sensible artillery, they pulled guns with horse-drawn traction as in the PMV. In tanks and art, we were a cut above them. We had tractors for guns

                This is all a blatant lie, the Third Reich with satellites surpassed the USSR in ALL. The only thing the USSR had more was the will to victory.
                1. SCHWERIN
                  SCHWERIN 9 December 2017 13: 59 New
                  +1
                  1. No more than a common phrase. It’s kind of like quotes from great people. And who heard them from their lips?
                  2. "They fight not by numbers, but by skill" A. V. Suvorov is our greatest commander.
                  The Wehrmacht defeated France with its state-of-the-art Maginot Line by simply bypassing it. The Soviet Union stomped on the Mannerheim Line as an ordinary UR for several months, thereby convincing Adolf that the Red Army was weak. If Finland had fallen in a month, Adolf would have moved to Britain and defeated it.
                  And who prevented us from mobilizing the army quickly? After all, Hitler did not appear in May 1941, and everyone knew that there would be a war with Germany.
                  3. Not true. We were much stronger than the Germans. Plants were deployed in the Urals, we had natural resources for which the Germans came to us. We had the best medium tanks in the world of the T-34 with a 500 horsepower diesel engine, the Germans did not have them. We had heavy KV and IS tanks already in the Winter War. The Germans in 42-43 appeared. German art did not penetrate the armor of the T-34. And in those where there were sensible senior officers and trained units, we crushed the Germans in the first days. Rava-Russian our tanks at the beginning of the war threw back the Germans. Yes, the aviation was bad, but even if it had not been stupidly burned at the airdromes, "they could have fought. What Reich satellites? Romanians and Bulgarians? Don’t make me laugh. Well, maybe Italians .. Japanese? Yes strong, but Hassan and Khalkin- A goal brought them to life a little.
                  Do not think in terms of the Soviet era. Now there is an opportunity to understand everything. And do not make the country wretched. The wretched were France, Belgium and beyond. Is the country to blame for the fact that they covered up the OI?
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 9 December 2017 15: 21 New
                    +3
                    Quote: SCHWERIN
                    1. No more than a common phrase. It’s kind of like quotes from great people. And who heard them from their lips?

                    “Quotations” have nothing to do with it, the medical fact is that the Third Reich’s military industry was restored by the Americans for free and non-repayable loans, without the USA the Second World War would not have taken place at all. And all because the Americans did not have time to redistribute the world following the results of the First World War.
                    Quote: SCHWERIN
                    2. "They fight not by numbers, but by skill" A. V. Suvorov is our greatest commander.

                    The Wehrmacht and the Allies defeated the Red Army precisely by number, 5.5 million Wehrmacht soldiers with 4.2 million Wehrmacht soldiers and 3.2 million Red Army bayonets against them were concentrated at the beginning of the war near the western border of the USSR.
                    Quote: SCHWERIN
                    And who prevented us from mobilizing the army quickly?

                    To begin with, the Wehrmacht was ALREADY mobilized.
                    Quote: SCHWERIN
                    After all, Hitler did not appear in May 1941, and everyone knew that there would be a war with Germany.

                    The USSR was LITTLE larger than the Third Reich territorially, whenever the USSR began to mobilize - the Wehrmacht would finish earlier. A preemptive strike is not possible a priori.
                    Quote: SCHWERIN
                    We had the best medium tanks in the world of the T-34 with a 500 horsepower diesel engine, the Germans did not have them. We had heavy KV and IS tanks

                    The T-34 was the best for the winter of forty-second, at the beginning of the war it was a crude machine unusable, they fought practically on light tanks for two years.
                    IS-1 appeared at the end of the forty-second
                    Most of the HF was lost for technical reasons.
                    The superiority of Russian tanks at the beginning of the war is a myth.
                    Quote: SCHWERIN
                    if it had not been stupidly burned at airfields, "they could have fought.

                    And you ask what part of the aircraft was "stupidly destroyed at the airfields"
                    You "stupidly" do not know the story.
                    Quote: SCHWERIN
                    What are the Reich satellites? Romanians with the Bulgarians? do not make me laugh. Well, maybe Italians ..

                    The satellites of the Third Reich put 1.3 million fighters at the beginning of the war, everything is counted.
                    1. SCHWERIN
                      SCHWERIN 9 December 2017 15: 51 New
                      +2
                      We are all captured by myths. All that we know is on the conscience of eyewitnesses at best, and often retelling from person to person and the subjectivity of these individuals.
                      Each of us relies on this. I bring my arguments, you are yours. But whatever it was, the defeat that was in 41-42 has specific free or involuntary culprits, alas, already deceased ...
                      I believe that we had the opportunity and preventive strike or stop the Germans at the state border, even through a temporary retreat. As an example, I will return to the Winter War. I understand that the scale is incomparable. But the Finns, thanks to the competent organization of the defense, experienced and competent commanders, were able to inflict a serious blow on the offensive. Without aviation, a sufficient number of weapons and tanks. During this time, they were able to mobilize. Are we worse than the Finns?
                      ,
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 9 December 2017 15: 58 New
                        +1
                        Quote: SCHWERIN
                        We are all captured by myths.

                        What are the myths? The number of troops at the beginning of the war is a medical fact, no matter how you otmazyvatsya.
                        Quote: SCHWERIN
                        But whatever it was, the defeat that was in 41-42 has specific free or involuntary culprits, alas, already deceased ...

                        I note that the forty-first was a battle for Moscow, and in the forty-second - the Battle of Stalingrad, who is the "culprit" of these victories?
                        Quote: SCHWERIN
                        I believe that we had the opportunity and preventive strike or stop the Germans at the state border, even through a temporary retreat.

                        You are mistaken, there was no possibility for a preemptive strike in either the forty-first or the fourteenth.
                        Quote: SCHWERIN
                        But the Finns, thanks to the competent organization of the defense, experienced and competent commanders, were able to inflict a serious blow on the offensive.

                        Nevertheless, the Finns lost.
                        Quote: SCHWERIN
                        Are we worse than the Finns?
                    2. SCHWERIN
                      SCHWERIN 9 December 2017 16: 05 New
                      0
                      Add more. The Germans, according to you, put 4.2 million people near the western borders. But how do you explain that at the first stage, 3.8 - 3.9 people of the Red Army were captured? And if you add the killed here, then for 4 mpn people were on the theater of operations on the western borders, and even the survivors. Those. is there almost balance in manpower? But the Germans were advancing ... Almost 1.5 million people are enough to restrain the Germans, is not it. And you say mobilization
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 9 December 2017 16: 13 New
                        +2
                        Quote: SCHWERIN
                        But how do you explain that at the first stage, 3.8 - 3.9 people of the Red Army were captured?

                        Because it is a lie. The Germans recorded all men of military age in prisoners who did not manage to mobilize in the western districts, including the recently joined ones.
                        Quote: SCHWERIN
                        Those. is there almost balance in manpower?

                        There are exact numbers, everything else is your speculation, the Germans had a half time advantage. It is clear that we and the Germans still had troops, but here on the western border of the USSR - that was voiced.
                        Quote: SCHWERIN
                        But the Germans were advancing ... Almost 1.5 million people are enough to restrain the Germans, is not it. And you say mobilization

                        Where did you get such a short-sighted conclusion that one and a half million is enough? Not enough !!! Anticipating your words will immediately correct you. A six-fold advantage is needed at the breakthrough site, and not on the entire front; on the whole front, a one-to-one ratio is sufficient. And the Germans, having one and a half times the advantage, could create the necessary advantage in places of breakthrough.
      2. Pushkar
        Pushkar 8 December 2017 10: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        in Russia there would be a holiday no worse than what we saw after the annexation of Crimea.
        Not for athletes for sure.
        .
        Classic! "What will Marya Aleksevna say?"
        1. Naum
          Naum 8 December 2017 12: 41 New
          0
          Pushkar, are you tired of hanging around under my nickname? Fantasy is not enough?
      3. larand
        larand 8 December 2017 12: 11 New
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        Quote from Wenda
        "Turn on the brain, there is a big political war and not all battles can be won, most importantly Victory. Complete and unconditional surrender, as it was in 1945. And nothing else."

        The brain should be included not for us, but for the owners of the feudal bourgeois conglomeration under the name of the Russian Federation (they are not worthy of the name "Russia"). But their brain completely swam with fat and works only on their own interest. Ministers and governors are only capable of grabbing bribes and solidly blowing away, and for 26 years we have been hanging noodles. The next 6 years are also missing, he will not change his deck. And he will work for "articles in the Western press", and for us pineapple.
      4. Gardamir
        Gardamir 8 December 2017 12: 36 New
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        Why give a reason to strengthen Western opinion in their slander.
        Why should we be interested in the opinion of the West. These authorities are not interested in the opinion of the people. Closes schools, hospitals, increase taxes. And if you support anti-advisers, stop remembering 1945. If Putin were in power in the name of partners, they would immediately raise a white flag, which he proposes.
        1. Vend
          Vend 8 December 2017 14: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          Why give a reason to strengthen Western opinion in their slander.
          Why should we be interested in the opinion of the West. These authorities are not interested in the opinion of the people. Closes schools, hospitals, increase taxes. And if you support anti-advisers, stop remembering 1945. If Putin were in power in the name of partners, they would immediately raise a white flag, which he proposes.

          Because it’s politics. I don’t support either the red or the white camp. and I will mention those whom I consider necessary. The main thing is modern Russia, and not what happened before 1917 or after. This is our past. And anyone who thinks otherwise is ready, for the sake of sick nonsense of restoring the past in the present, to plunge Russia into chaos, to the delight of the West.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 8 December 2017 15: 20 New
            +4
            this is modern Russia,
            from what day do you think Russia is modern and isn't Putin ready
            for the sake of sick nonsense of restoration of the past in the present plunge Russia into chaos,
            1. Vend
              Vend 8 December 2017 18: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              this is modern Russia,
              from what day do you think Russia is modern and isn't Putin ready
              for the sake of sick nonsense of restoration of the past in the present plunge Russia into chaos,

              What a question? fool Modern Russia is Russia today, not yesterday or tomorrow.
              1. Old warrior
                Old warrior 9 December 2017 14: 18 New
                +1
                In modern Russia, in its present state, there is NO FUTURE, only prolonged agony ....
                1. Vend
                  Vend 12 December 2017 09: 25 New
                  0
                  Quote: Old Warrior
                  In modern Russia, in its present state, there is NO FUTURE, only prolonged agony ....

                  I already heard this in the 90's, as we can see, Russia is still there, as if no one would like to.
      5. Hoc vince
        Hoc vince 8 December 2017 18: 17 New
        +9
        "An analysis of the bones of the hero Peresvet gave a positive result for doping. In this connection, historians were asked to review the results of the Kulikovo battle and give the victory to Khan Mamaia"
      6. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 8 December 2017 19: 41 New
        +6
        Wend, I get your point. And ... she was horrified: Russia is already in such a bonded dependence on the West that nothing can be said. Yes, it is completely indifferent, even if they are silent, even though the Russian Federation will continue to pour slop, and even a reason for this is not needed. And even worse, gratefully accept humiliation. As for athletes, going to the Olympics on their own is a chance to do without humiliation, going from Russia is definitely going to be pressed. In the first case, ostentatious pity is possible, in the second, no
        1. Kent0001
          Kent0001 12 December 2017 23: 36 New
          0
          It is good so far that there is no explicit external control from the "partners" (although who knows). Grandmas abroad allow and will continue to allow humiliating Russia. It’s just that our type of “elite” has long been overbought. The whole question is only about the "height" of the positions of the governing "elite" under the control of our (more precisely, THEIR) partners in the west.
        2. Vend
          Vend 13 December 2017 08: 59 New
          0
          Quote: olimpiada15
          Wend, I get your point. And ... she was horrified: Russia is already in such a bonded dependence on the West that nothing can be said. Yes, it is completely indifferent, even if they are silent, even though the Russian Federation will continue to pour slop, and even a reason for this is not needed. And even worse, gratefully accept humiliation. As for athletes, going to the Olympics on their own is a chance to do without humiliation, going from Russia is definitely going to be pressed. In the first case, ostentatious pity is possible, in the second, no

          Well, your reaction is not surprising. About your outpourings about the fact that Russia under the west I can only answer the following: look at how Russia is pressed in Syria, or in space, or in arms. laughing
      7. KaPToC
        KaPToC 9 December 2017 12: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        Why give a reason to strengthen Western opinion in their slander.

        The meaning of the reason is that it does not need to be given, it will always be found no matter how you puffed up.
    4. moskowit
      moskowit 8 December 2017 09: 27 New
      11
      But today it is impossible to compare Russia and the USSR. These are really two big differences. Different diplomacy, different sports, different elites.

      And it is not regrettable not in favor of Russia. Russia, although it is the legal successor of the USSR, but how far from the lost power.
      It is worth noting that the 80 world record was set at the 104 Olympiad in Moscow (without athletes from the West). At the 84 Olympiad in Los Angeles (without athletes of the USSR and the socialist countries), the 32 world record was set.

      The main "setters" of records were athletes of the teams of the USSR and the GDR., In which mass sport was truly all-encompassing ...
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 8 December 2017 19: 49 New
        +3
        moskowit-totally agree. In the USSR, sport was really massive, those who showed the best results were supported, and now not every family can pull the costs of participating in competitions, therefore the best of wealthy families come out on top, mainly for future income, and these unique talents remain unclaimed , they are extinguished at the start.
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    6. NEXUS
      NEXUS 8 December 2017 11: 03 New
      33
      Quote: Kazak_35
      I join the author! I waited for an answer from the president in the style of zero "We will water in the outhouse !!!"

      Waiting for the people, not the majority of athletes and coaches who want royalties, prizes, Mercedes and subsequent appearances on TV, money for advertising ... there is no sport that was in the USSR. Remembering Kharlamov, Mayorovs, Starshinovs, Bobrov and many other great athletes, I really catch myself thinking - but they were lovers, sports lovers and in this love reached heights that most Western professionals would never reach at all.
      And in this regard, I don’t understand the silence of Tretyak, Fetisov, who are sitting there on the top, by the throne of Garant ... they were one of those ... from the amateurs who beat the professionals. The whole world knew them as the Red Car. But they are silent ...
      It turns out that we are an unrecognized state? And the president of Russia indirectly acknowledges this.
      But excuse me, but what about the "great power"? But what about "Russia plays a leading role in world politics"? But what about "today we must admit that not a single issue of world politics can be solved without the participation of Russia"? This is about us? Is this about our country? Or about some other, unknown Russia?

      The greatness of the country comes primarily from the self-esteem of the people. And the Guarantor is self-esteem and greatness and identity should in every way support and strengthen these very qualities, in their own words, actions and decisions. And Putin, with his slurred “Support the athletes under the white flag” ... he just spat on his people, in his pride, self-esteem and all those victories that were during his reign. He spat, and most of the athletes, and people in our country, wiped himself out. And he doesn’t give a damn that with this statement, the Guarantor actually knelt his country before this scum in the person of the IOC, WADA, and before their sponsors, or rather the owners.
      I said not so long ago, Putin has ended! All his words about the greatness of the country and the people, trembling to our history, our victories that we won and thanks to which, in fact, there is a half of the world in this form ... everything turned out to be just words and nothing more.
      Well, the athletes that go, they need grants, prizes, money, advertising ... and then of course they will broadcast on all channels that they did it for the glory of their country ... though under the White Flag, without emblems and anthem. But these are details, aren't they.
      1. Koshel2901
        Koshel2901 8 December 2017 12: 24 New
        +1
        There is no alternative to GDP yet and is not visible (which is very shitty), not I ... Linsky or Subchak should be chosen.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 8 December 2017 13: 21 New
          20
          And it won’t. Because the system does not allow this alternative .. And there are people.
          Quote: Koshel2901
          There is no alternative to GDP yet and is not visible (which is very shitty), not I ... Linsky or Subchak should be chosen.
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 8 December 2017 13: 28 New
            14
            Dim, few people understand that United Russia is a hotbed of corruption and a brain trap ... For minds that have chosen the easy way and are bogged down ... They do not allow other parties to rise because Putin does not support them! Which, in turn, does not need an alternative ...
        2. Vasily Krylov
          Vasily Krylov 8 December 2017 14: 16 New
          +2
          There is a line “against all.” Not constructively, for that is honest.
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 8 December 2017 14: 37 New
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            This line is no more! Removed, even before the last election ...
            And they lowered the required clear interest rate for the elections to take place!
            1. olimpiada15
              olimpiada15 8 December 2017 20: 07 New
              +4
              Quote: Anarchist
              This line is no more! Removed, even before the last election ...
              And they lowered the required clear interest rate for the elections to take place!

              Much worse, there is no obvious%, the result counts at 4%, (there were such figures in the elections), it will be protected at 0,001%.
        3. VVK_VDB
          VVK_VDB 12 December 2017 23: 42 New
          +1
          Well, why not Sobchak? Caligula planned to make the horse a consul.
    7. Commander
      Commander 8 December 2017 12: 38 New
      +5
      You should not write comments, but to the regulatory authorities. I have about 1 person in the family income about the same as yours, for some reason I do not see such horror. how do you paint. Why did you decide that in Europe everything can easily change cars and fly to hot countries. Still to small pearls complained, it is ridiculous to read. Well, go, they scared you. Though in Germany, there you will lively change the car for a state account. truth? It is precisely that TAM you are not needed by anyone, because here you are clearly sitting in some kind of kupiprodyke, but there is no normal profession.
    8. Svetlana
      Svetlana 8 December 2017 13: 28 New
      +7
      Quote: Kazak_35
      After such news, there is a desire to give everything up to black dogs and topple from this country, it only stops that nobody needs me there and here are parents, friends, connections. We’ll stretch it out somehow, but it’s very tired of it.

      That's right, but the first rats toppled from a sinking ship. The team is doing everything to save him. And where do you think better? The whole world is in agony after the collapse of the USSR. Somewhere better so far, but it's only a matter of time. "Cultural" Europe is choked with Islamization and is dying of its perversions, the East is Europeanizing and soon it will suffer the same fate.
      1. Sofa General
        Sofa General 9 December 2017 01: 44 New
        +6
        Svetlana ...
        all right ... the team saves the ship. Only trouble. The captain and his first mate landed a comfortable boat with a supply of fuel and food, and I lead the ship on icebergs. And the team sooner or later will be exhausted to save the ship. And when the captain and the head officer dump on a comfortable boat, then what will you say?
    9. Gennady Yakovlev
      Gennady Yakovlev 8 December 2017 14: 08 New
      +9
      Can't you live 94 thousand? You need to change the car ... He can’t go to a hot country ... We are used to hanging out on the planet, then they’re stuck there, then they’re stuck there ... Fly after them, help out .. And how my wife and I can live, I have a pension 13,5 ... she has 12 thousand ... Yes, for people like you, you need to make gas at 500 r / liter ...
      1. passing
        passing 9 December 2017 13: 26 New
        +2
        s, you can’t live for 94 thousand? You need to change the car ... He can’t go to a hot country ... He’s used to hanging out on the planet, then he’s stuck there, then he’s stuck there ... Fly after them, help out .. And how my wife and I can live, I have a pension 13,5 ... she has 12 thousand ... Yes, for people like you, you need to make gas at 500 r / liter ...

        You shouldn’t be so. It’s not his fault that we have a beggarly pension, the SYSTEM is to blame! Management system, power, pension. And every year, thanks to these systems, it gets worse and worse
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    10. Dante
      Dante 8 December 2017 14: 36 New
      +1
      Vladimir Putin, if you need the votes of your voters, then support them as suggested above, otherwise you will have the same support from the voters.
    11. Skeptic
      Skeptic 8 December 2017 14: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Kazak_35
      I waited for an answer from the president in the style of zero "We will water in the outhouse !!!" And what I heard ... There is a bitter aftertaste left, the precipitate is very unpleasant! He used to support Putin very much, he really believed that if not he then who! And now I understand that it’s necessary to start fresh blood in the nulls.

      You need to soak in the toilet who you can dunk on the field. And with those who are not averse to soaking you, I do not advise going to the toilet. Russia is not the USSR, and the absence of Russian athletes will only harm Russian athletes. I have a feeling that there’s nothing to think about at all. If athletes know that they will be deprived of participation in competitions of their level of competency, then they will have no choice but to go where they can realize themselves. Outstanding people, by definition, cannot poke the wishes of the mediocre to the detriment of themselves. Not for that, they tried to stand out from the crowd, then to be slaves to their whims. I am sure that they simply lead to where they can realize themselves.
      Quote: Kazak_35
      After such news, there is a desire to give everything up to black dogs and topple from this country, it only stops that nobody needs me there and here are parents, friends, connections. We’ll stretch it out somehow, but it’s very tired of it.

      So you yourself understand this.
    12. Constructor1
      Constructor1 8 December 2017 15: 59 New
      +5
      Kazak_35 I completely agree! The country has slipped into poverty, we no longer dream of a vacation on the sea, to give 125-150 thousand for a plane for four for an airplane is unrealistic for us.
      And the government has long gone from the people, and goes further and further (((
      1. dSK
        dSK 8 December 2017 22: 14 New
        +5
        Quote: Designer 1
        goes further

        Otkrytie Bank will pour over a trillion rubles into the black hole. To close the “hole” allowed in the balance sheet of the credit institution by its top managers and Bank of Russia supervisor. It is noteworthy that initially the Central Bank estimated the “hole” in Otkrytie FC as 250 billion rubles, after - 300 billion, now the amount has increased to almost half a trillion - 456,2 billion rubles, despite the fact that at the beginning of November FC Otkritie "already owed the Bank of Russia almost 716 billion rubles. (Article of the TV channel "Tsargrad" 17: 28., 07.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    13. askme
      askme 9 December 2017 03: 40 New
      +4
      The position voiced in the article is the position of childishly emotional gross infantil gopniks, in whom all meanings revolve around money and cheap show-offs, around the appearance of power, around "candy wrappers", and not power itself. They don’t understand the difference between real power and cheap show-offs of deeply insecure people, weaklings, infantiles, whom the Soviet government has spawned in many - they are people with big ambitions, but undeveloped brains, an undeveloped personality, people are deeply dependent on others, not accustomed to making decisions and taking responsibility for them - such people suffered the most in troubled times after the age of 91, which they spent not in self-development, but in empty malice, blaming everyone for their weaknesses, except for themselves ... On such, own but all are designed and podlyanki, the machinations of the world behind the scenes. Gopniks have neither a depth of understanding, nor any depth at all. Gopniks have only two positions in life: hit or run. Persistence, persistent patience is not peculiar to them. They are easy to manipulate, easy to provoke, easy to suppress in a hybrid style. This small, but noisy layer of gopniks is now trying to rock the situation in Russia from behind the hill. These gopniks - this is the fifth column of the West in Russia, and not only their liberal friends, twin brothers, originally from the West, who came to Russia from there - communism and liberalism ...

      But it is important to understand at the same time that the nuclear power of the USSR-Russia, military-technological power in general - all this was created not by the gopniks, but by people with completely different moral and psychological qualities. Any talent that achieves outstanding results in its activity goes through a period when it is necessary to patiently endure all the hardships and hardships, possibly provocations of ill-wishers, their machinations, when the scum is stronger than you and you just need to endure, courageously continuing to make efforts to become strong. Which is exactly what the Russian leadership is doing now. That is, in this process there is no place for the emotions of the gopniks. Gopniks are undeveloped people, weak people.

      People are strong, people who create the power of Russia are people with excellent patience and wisdom (not to be confused with terpils clogged with life - this is completely different, the gopniks do not understand the difference).

      In Russia there are many gopniks, but not most of them. The strength of Russia in hardworking talents. And in science, and in sports, and in business and in public administration. There are many of them too, but not the majority, they need to be respected and appreciated (and there are few of them in any societies), but they are the concentrate of strength, its essence. These people are patient, these people are hardworking, these are leading people. And it is these people who decide whether to go to the Russian Olympics or not. It is fair that they decide. Well, emotional gopnik can be understood. How parents can and should understand the emotions of children. You can not only obey the whims of children. Children should not be allowed to manipulate their parents. And good parents can find the right words for their weak, immature children so that they understand the decisions of adults. Children, if they do not respect their parents, they have big problems. Harmony is important here. Parents and children are parts of the whole.

      Here is such a Zen))
    14. KaPToC
      KaPToC 9 December 2017 12: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Kazak_35
      with a salary of 50 thousand for me and 44 for my wife, having two children, we cannot afford to fly to rest in a hot country

      ALL honest people cannot afford it.
    15. Kent0001
      Kent0001 12 December 2017 23: 28 New
      0
      You still live with such a salary for two and with two children. For the majority in the Russian Federation, income is more than 90 tr. for a family a month, a pipe dream. I heard that many already don’t want to go anywhere in March. Something over the past year in the eyes of the citizens of the Russian Federation the Guarantor has lost his entire handicap, but this is not important, like many problems of the state. The main thing is that officials and friends should feel good.
      Your post is cool, albeit emotional. Therefore, such a rating.
  2. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 8 December 2017 06: 12 New
    50
    What, there was not a single official who would read the provision on the admission of athletes under the Olympic flag? But everything is there specifically. Without discrepancies. An athlete must be either stateless at all, or represent an unrecognized state, or a political emigrant .... It turns out that we are an unrecognized state? And the president of Russia indirectly recognizes this ...

    stop 2018 Russian white-pants team under a neutral rag:

    PS And from the beautiful:
    "3. Following the results of the 2014 Olympic Games in Sochi, 11 medals were taken away from the Russian team, the team dropped from 1st place in the team standings to 5th. The awarding ceremony for other athletes from whom the Russians stole victories will be held solemnly in Pyeongchang so that the whole world sees honest athletes being returned stolen by Russian thieves. " This is to make the taste of humiliation more complete ... negative
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 8 December 2017 08: 32 New
      20
      Quote: Sergey-svs
      Following the results of the 2014 Olympic Games in Sochi, the Russian team took 11 medals, the team dropped from 1st place in the team standings to 5th

      That first Sochi place, in fact it was not ours, because 7 of 13 gold medals were won with the help of foreign athletes:
      3 medals in the short track - Korean VIKTOR AN
      2 medals in figure skating-Ukrainian TATIANA VOLOSOZHAR
      2 medals in the American snowboard VIK WILD

      Plus trainers foreigners:
      - SEBASTIAN CROSS head coach of the short track team - 3 gold 1 silver 1 bronze total 5 medals
      - PIERRE LUDERS head coach of the bobsled team - 2 0 0 = 2
      - WILLIE SCHNEIDER Senior Coach of the National Skeleton Team - 1 0 1 = 2
      - WALTER PLAYKNER head coach of the national luge team - 0 2 0 = 2
      - MARIO FUKS board cross country team coach - silver
      - KONSTANTIN POLTAVETS head coach of the speed skating team - silver
      - MAURICIO MARKETTO senior coach of the national speed skating team - bronze
      - RETO BURGEMAISTER trainer ALEXANDER LEGKOV and ILYA CHERNOUSOV - 1 1 1 = 3
      - WOLFGANG PICHLER coach of the women's biathlon team - silver
      - VLADIMIR KOROLKEVICH senior coach of the biathlon team - 0 2 0 = 2
      - STEVEN FIRING Mogul team head coach - bronze

      In general, foreign specialists (trainers, service technicians, doctors, masseurs) were in everyone! our teams, except for hockey. And the presence of each such mercenary means the absence of his athlete or specialist.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 8 December 2017 09: 37 New
        16
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        In general, foreign specialists (trainers, service technicians, doctors, masseurs) were in everyone! our teams, except for hockey. And the presence of each such mercenary means the absence of his athlete or specialist.

        Well, this is the official policy of our "effective managers" in power, which consists in a short slogan: "To hell with domestic personnel, industry, etc.! We will buy everything abroad!"
        Chicks are worthless Petrov!
        Only now, Peter I brought specialists and technology to backward and illiterate Russia, and the current "chicks" have destroyed a competent and industrialized country, to the state of Peter's times.
        1. Fox
          Fox 8 December 2017 11: 18 New
          +5
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Only now, Peter I brought specialists and technology to backward and illiterate Russia

          og ... I also brought lice with wigs and baths taxed.
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 8 December 2017 11: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: Fox
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            Only now, Peter I brought specialists and technology to backward and illiterate Russia

            og ... I also brought lice with wigs and baths taxed.

            And as without "side effects", now with "openness" AIDS with drugs will be dragged from there).
          2. captain
            captain 8 December 2017 11: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Fox
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            Only now, Peter I brought specialists and technology to backward and illiterate Russia

            og ... I also brought lice with wigs and baths taxed.

            Would Lenin instead of Peter, then we would give them pr ....
            1. Pancir026
              Pancir026 8 December 2017 11: 56 New
              +4
              Quote: captain
              If Lenin were instead of Peter, then we would give them pr ...

              They gave you .. in 17. still hiccup.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcCrF1hWQtc
            2. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 8 December 2017 12: 10 New
              +4
              Quote: captain
              Would Lenin instead of Peter, then we would give them pr ....

              Thank you for laughing).
              And they gave it, but a little later!)
              But the "Streletsky revolt" with inside the showdowns in 1991 brought Boriska to the kingdom!) Nothing in the history of tsarist Russia changes — all through the palace coups.
              Stability however!)
            3. Gardamir
              Gardamir 8 December 2017 12: 41 New
              +6
              Would Lenin instead of Peter
              Would Putin instead of Lenin, that would be friends with partners
              1. Commander
                Commander 8 December 2017 13: 09 New
                +1
                About the obscene world with the Germans you quickly forgot
        2. YUG64
          YUG64 8 December 2017 11: 50 New
          +2
          You shouldn’t reach complete insanity ... Foreign specialists work in any country, and that’s normal. And yet. Enough of the 90s collapse, hang on Putin. At least a bit of conscience will not hurt you.
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 8 December 2017 14: 49 New
            +9
            Quote: YUG64
            Stop the collapse of the 90s to hang on Putin. At least a bit of conscience will not hurt you.

            Are you so sure that being in the team of Sobchak, Putin is in no way involved in the collapse of the 90s ?!
            So the characters “beloved” by us, from Chubais to Mutko, are also from this team.
            Here, take an interest.
            http://trinixy.ru/111426-kakih-vysot-dobilis-chle
            ny-komandy-anatoliya-sobchaka-15-foto.html

            1. YUG64
              YUG64 8 December 2017 17: 21 New
              +3
              What does this prove? If Putin wanted to surrender the country - he would surrender a long time ago, would have everything he wanted and most importantly - no confrontation with the West. Another London Nobel laureate would live in London. Turn on the brain and not give in to emotions. This is not for smart people.
              1. Freeman
                Freeman 8 December 2017 21: 19 New
                +3
                Quote: YUG64
                What does this prove?If Putin wanted to surrender the country-he would surrender a long time ago, I would have everything I wanted and most importantly - no confrontation with the West. I would have lived in London another Nobel laureate. Turn on the brain, and do not succumb to emotions. This is not for smart people.

                I will use your advice and try to turn on the brain.
                And so what do we have?
                Anecdote:
                They ask the Russian and the Jews what they would do if they were a king.
                Russian:
                - If I were a king, I would steal 100 rubles and give it to my brother-in-law.
                Jew:
                - If I were Tsai, I would live a little better than Tsai!
                “I would sew a little more at night.”

                Fortunately for us, Putin is not stupid and understands that the world has changed.
                - Having surrendered the country, or simply “having stolen” and fled to the west, he would not have received any guarantees of personal security. The fate of the former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavel Lazarenko, I hope, is well known to him.
                The confrontation with the "West" for Russia was under any regimes - that under the kings ("English shits"), that under the "advice" ("world imperialism"), with the exception of the period when our "bourgeois" were complete puppets of the USA and its satellites. The reasons are many - from geographical and economic (vast territory and resources), to religious.
                Now in Russia, capitalism and the "bourgeois" government, seemingly the contradictions are smoothed out - but between the bourgeois states there are also contradictions. For access to resources, strong states seek to subjugate weaker ones, put in their service, and even destroy their "elite".
                Therefore, he chose another option.
                He and his "environment", appointed by him as "new oligarchs" as opposed to the former, from the Yeltsin era, understand that to guarantee security for themselves and their capital, they need their own state. A strong army is needed to protect it.
                The war with Georgia revealed problems with the army and it began to be reformed and strengthened, and the fate of S. Hussein, and later M. Gaddafi, did not add “optimism”.
                In order to strengthen their financial and social base, “tax” and “offshore” amnesties were announced to withdraw from the “shadow” and return to the country the capitals received in a dubious way and their owners.
                Perhaps Putin himself does not have the notorious "forty billion", which at one time were intensively sought out "in the west."
                But what is certain for me is that he needs POWER - this is the strongest "drug" generated by human civilization. IMHO.
                1. YUG64
                  YUG64 8 December 2017 22: 30 New
                  +2
                  Power for the sake of power doesn’t look like that. You, of course, can have your own opinion, but I personally am convinced that the same Chubais - and you, I think, will not be called an idiot - would behave differently as president. you can take another surname - it does not change the essence. IMHO.
            2. albert
              albert 8 December 2017 17: 23 New
              +2
              Quote: Freeman
              Are you sure that being in Sobchak’s team, Putin is in no way involved in the collapse of the 90s?

              Here is a photo in the topic
          2. Ragoz
            Ragoz 9 December 2017 00: 54 New
            0
            YUG64:
            Answer those and what he did in Leningrad with his dog.
            1. YUG64
              YUG64 9 December 2017 08: 02 New
              0
              I don’t know, and you ???
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 8 December 2017 10: 22 New
        +8
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        In general, foreign specialists (trainers, service technicians, doctors, masseurs) were in everyone! our teams except hockey

        It should also be noted that most of our athletes live and train abroad. In general, complete hypocrisy.
      3. Svetlana
        Svetlana 8 December 2017 13: 41 New
        0
        We walk around the field
        What is not drowning kick.
        And recently, the devil took us all.
        We don’t export at all,
        Like snails, elozim.
        By the way, who ever picked us up?

        And scored, oddly enough,
        Our coach is foreign.
        Not found among our sucker.
        We are a cool herd
        And, of course,
        We are not a coach, but a shepherd.
      4. Gennady Yakovlev
        Gennady Yakovlev 8 December 2017 14: 14 New
        +4
        Just to be puffed ... Great country !!! There is nothing of your own !!!
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx 8 December 2017 16: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Gennady Yakovlev
          Just to puff

          Puffed up so that in the end ... about completely
      5. albert
        albert 8 December 2017 17: 21 New
        0
        The West is full of our athletes who live and perform there. At the Olympics in Sochi, we did the same by recruiting foreigners. There is nothing wrong with that.
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        foreign specialists (trainers, service technicians, doctors, masseurs
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 8 December 2017 06: 14 New
    +6
    Survive somehow. We have such a fate, worry.

    We will survive of course all this Roman and Alexander .... smile as we survived two terrible world wars that came to us from the WEST ... we will survive this shame with the Olympics, I am absolutely sure of it ... time will heal everything and wounds and resentments in the soul of our people.
    It’s only necessary to remember ... it’s good to remember who and when can put a pig to us ... it’s not the first time that we receive zvizduli from hehe he Western partners and friends in the Kremlin terminology ... but again and again we step on the same rake of credulity playing to them according to their rules both in politics and in sport and in economics ...


    how much you can stupid. what
    1. Grandfather Talash
      Grandfather Talash 8 December 2017 08: 04 New
      34
      I do not want to disappoint you, but in past wars the motivation of the victorious people and the honor of the elites were different. And looking at these nozzles of those in power about the OJ, the flag at the embassy, ​​the courts of embezzlers, the weddings of judges, the oligarchy, do you think there will be a desire to protect this state? It will be only for the sake of your family and home, because you will not run away from the hounds and there will be no other ...
      1. YUG64
        YUG64 8 December 2017 22: 37 New
        +1
        Yes, the Russian elite was once honored. Yes, the nobles paid their right to privileges with their blood ... And - what? There were fewer dissatisfied with those elites? The revolutionary itch, in my opinion, is a very contagious thing. And it’s extremely dangerous. unfortunately, the carriers of this itch consider themselves engines of progress and fighters for all good versus all bad ...
      2. passing
        passing 9 December 2017 13: 45 New
        0
        Do you think there will be a desire to protect this state?

        For this, contract armies exist and are being created. Not for the homeland, but for the salary.
        And our government understands that not many will rush to go and defend it at the cost of their lives.
        .... For pseudo patriots, I’ll add to protect the territory that a handful of the so-called elite sells, but I don’t want the majority of people to be poor, I’m sure such a country has a very promising future
    2. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 8 December 2017 09: 48 New
      18
      Quote: The same Lech
      ... but again and again we are stepping on the same rake of credulity towards them, playing according to their rules both in politics and in sport and in economy ...
      how much you can stupid.

      This is not gullibility and stupidity. This is a deliberate policy of the system that began from the time of the Tagged and has been successfully implemented for the fourth decade. Putin in your naive and gullible?) No. We are naive and gullible, and again and again we will join in friendly ranks to vote in March for "stability."
      And what, to wipe that already became a habit, now they also accustom to repent. Everything goes according to plan.
    3. Vasily Krylov
      Vasily Krylov 8 December 2017 14: 27 New
      +2
      I hope, along with you, but the farther the more often, the thought creeps in, but we can not live again. I don’t want. And what to do, I don’t know. And when the fuses blow, it will be scary. And I'm sorry for the confusion.
  4. Glock
    Glock 8 December 2017 06: 26 New
    14
    “So far, two independents have drawn themselves up: Independent Gazzaev and Ovechkin. Here is a low bow to Ovechkin for his words, all the more so since it’s unlikely that anyone will speak his tongue to reproach him with the lack of desire or motivation to play for the national team.”

    Ovechkin is pitiful, a pseudo patriot. He has a contract with the NHL, a
    4 April 2017,
    "The NHL gave an official answer about the participation of league players in the 2018 Olympic Games in Pyeongchang. Despite the expectations of many fans, a negative decision was made overseas - the White Olympics for the first time since 1994 will be held without the participation of the best hockey players in the world."
    https://russian.rt.com/sport/article/375101-nhl-o
    tkaz-olimpiada-phyonchhan

    He was forbidden to go to the Olympics under a contract in April. So it’s easy now to play patriot and receive money under the American contract. Abomination is
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 8 December 2017 08: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Glock
      “So far, two independents have drawn themselves up: Independent Gazzaev and Ovechkin. Here is a low bow to Ovechkin for his words, all the more so since it’s unlikely that anyone will speak his tongue to reproach him with the lack of desire or motivation to play for the national team.”
      Ovechkin cheats on his soul, a pseudo patriot

      Yes, and Gazzayev is the same. He is certainly one of the best trainers in our history, but about his independence and patriotism, this is by. If only because he is an ardent supporter of the abolition of the limit on foreign players.
      And his statement on the decision of the IOC, so this official position obliges.
  5. Petr1
    Petr1 8 December 2017 06: 27 New
    13
    Roman, I didn’t expect it, just like a knife with the truth, there’s no straight ax, I’ve chopped it off.
  6. cedar
    cedar 8 December 2017 06: 32 New
    +6
    "..It is clear that 2018 has already been lost in every sense. Bread, circuses, elections ... But life does not end there, and it is worth looking further. In 2024 ..."

    Hurry to live, dear authors. To reduce everything to the Olympic problems of sports in the conditions of a virtual war and draw far-reaching conclusions from this is nonsense. That’s why, as it’s the most important task to defend not our athletes, but our whole people, not the Olympic team, but the whole country.
    The 18th year can completely turn the cold war into a hot one, then we’ll all fight for places in the world Olympiad, but you obviously don’t think so. You have everything planned up to 24 years. Well, it would also be a site "Cutting and sewing", but this is a military review ...
    Look at the root, dear authors.
    1. cost 75
      cost 75 8 December 2017 08: 42 New
      22
      So what, then, in conditions of actual war do we keep money with the enemy? And the children of our elite live there?
    2. SCHWERIN
      SCHWERIN 9 December 2017 14: 16 New
      0
      At any moment .... Without declaring Kiev bombed .... There will be no one to announce
  7. Moore
    Moore 8 December 2017 06: 55 New
    16
    I wonder why Mutko is connected with Putin?

    In 1990-1991 - Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Kirov District Council of People's Deputies.
    Since 1991 - the head of the administration of the Kirovsky district of the city.
    In 1992, he was invited to the government of St. Petersburg to the post of deputy mayor of the city - chairman of the mayoralty committee on social issues. Had a good relationship with A. Sobchak; after his defeat in the gubernatorial elections in the summer of 1996, he left the city administration.
    Actually, by sabzh. I would add that the people are clearly divided into a patriotic majority as a whole, which after the alcoholic gave Putin’s team an unprecedented credit of trust, and so on. "elite" (if it can be considered a nation at all), whose interests absolutely do not lie in the plane of the interests of the majority. The country is interested in this elite as an object of hilling. So they are trying (with success, by the way), sincere, clinging to the banner with the name of GDP, to mimic "patriots", "strong business executives" for a more secure and successful this hilling ...
    The sharp movements against all kinds of international parties absolutely contradict the idea of ​​receiving dividends from their own trough.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 December 2017 06: 56 New
    18
    The article is good about Russian citizens who are already boiling up and have already pretty tired of bureaucratic impotence where it is necessary to make efforts.
    Need money. Well, a bonus is a patriotic handout in the form of keys to the domestic Audi car. Or a Mercedes.
    I completely agree. By the way, this was voiced on Channel 1 by M. Shevchenko, who said that athletes must go to show themselves and of course make money. Moreover, not a word about the prestige of the country.
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  10. forester
    forester 8 December 2017 07: 00 New
    +1
    Well, with Ovechkin, the author missed. I remember that when the NHL announced that it would not let its players go
    1. forester
      forester 8 December 2017 07: 21 New
      +3
      [quote = logger] Well, with Ovechkin, the author missed. I remember that when the NHL announced that it would not let its players go, Ovechkin said that he would go in any situation, and when they banned him, he shut up and now when he doesn’t speak, he would have sung differently in the current situation if the NHL had been banned.
  11. baudolino
    baudolino 8 December 2017 07: 07 New
    +5
    I don’t remember the last time I watched how athletes earn their living. Not interested. But Russia is full of those who will raise the high, as soon as the country is isolated from world competitions. And because of the sharp movements, this is quite possible.
    Waving a saber is not a tricky business. And a lot of mind is not needed. Based on the logic of the authors, it is possible and necessary to succumb to provocations. And according to the same logic, for example, because of the plane shot down by the Turks, Russia was obliged to get into the war with Turkey.
    Tsar Nikolai the Last loved simple solutions. And everyone knows what they led to.
    1. cost 75
      cost 75 8 December 2017 08: 52 New
      15
      Tsar Nicholas generally did not like to make decisions, therefore, etc. **** l Empire
    2. Petr1
      Petr1 8 December 2017 10: 13 New
      +4
      . And according to the same logic, for example, because of a plane shot down by the Turks, Russia was obliged to get into the war with Turkey.
      Sanctions imposed against Turkey !!! And this was enough, but Putin did not go there to rest.
      It’s not worth going to the Olympics, you need to conduct your own games, because the Olympiad is politicized, sports should be out of politics.
      Ovechkin is a hypocrite, because he plays in the west for enemies, and constantly says that he loves Russians.
  12. Nonna
    Nonna 8 December 2017 07: 09 New
    37
    Putin has cleared the space around him, and no successors are visible on the horizon. The longer our president from Russia rules, the worse it will be after. After Ivan the Terrible, Stalin, there was the same catastrophe, these are only those who are by ear. Human nature does not change, seize power and grab and grab. The communists, who were the first or the old, went against God, deciding to remake a person, did not work, but at least they strove, but what they did not take away was how proud they were of our country and were dying for it, for the red flag ... We now do not perceive the tricolor as a banner, and the absolute majority will not go to die for it. A picture comes to mind, military men in uniform who receive not so much money, leave their families and go to fight and die for us, for the country and on the other side, people are also in uniform, though in sportswear, who do not give a shit about us, flag, on the country, the main thing is not to lose money. Well, they have been preparing for 4 years. How can Alexander Prokhorenko, nurses Nadezhda Durachenko and Galina Mikhailova, be put on the same level. as well as all the others who died in Syria and not only so that we could live in peace and others on the opposite side, not our athletes ready to perform under the white flag. Vladimir Vladimirovich, how is it that some die for the flag, while others spit on it? And the main question is why are you with the second? Why do you, knowing that according to popular polls about 90% of the boycott’s support, did you follow the lead of not our liberal elite? I began to notice long ago that Putin’s criticism disappeared, there is oppositional lies and slander, but there is no popular constructive criticism, as flattery for Putin crawled out of all the slots of the media and one talking room from all the TV irons. Mouth the people of Ukraine, but all of Russia has long spit on it. Thanks to the reporters for the article.
  13. tasha
    tasha 8 December 2017 07: 14 New
    +6
    The President of the Russian Federation, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, has nothing more to do but to express their attitude to the competitions held every four years, who will go down the sled faster or ski jump from the ski jump.
    It would be to the delight of the public, he would tap on the podium with a shoe or threaten with a button ... So?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 8 December 2017 07: 18 New
      +5
      It would be to the delight of the public, he would tap on the podium with a shoe or threaten with a button ... So?


      No not like this... smile
      “Firstly, we must directly say that we are partly to blame for this, because we gave a reason for this. And secondly, I think that this reason was not used in an honest way, to put it mildly,” he said, responding to the question of what will happen to the Russian Olympians

      Roughly speaking...
      and you wouldn’t go with this Olympiad in three letters ... you are to blame.

      Just what RUSSIA, its flag, honest athletes have guilty of ... or let us introduce collective responsibility for the misconduct of individuals.
      1. tasha
        tasha 8 December 2017 08: 19 New
        +4
        Roughly speaking...
        and you wouldn’t go with this Olympiad in three letters ... you are to blame.


        Exactly, and then at the next meeting with Trump, squeeze the mobile on the sidelines. What country, what kind of people, such and president wink
    2. Nix1986
      Nix1986 8 December 2017 07: 22 New
      +4
      I forgot to add to the title "the king of the Andals and the first people, the king of the north and the father of dragons" laughing
      1. tasha
        tasha 8 December 2017 07: 45 New
        +2
        No, I didn’t forget. There wasn’t even a thought.
        Then it’s necessary to write: “To the defender of the grandmother’s officials who suffered from the arbitrariness, Forced to please the crowd, to show concern for the aunts sobbing at the camera, Fulfilling the expectations of couch generals sitting on the priest, and so on and so forth ...”.

        The Russian land has become impoverished by smart, hardworking people. Vladimir Vladimirovich must think for everyone, do not sleep at night in the office with a lamp under a green lampshade ...
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 8 December 2017 08: 18 New
          +3
          Vladimir Vladimirovich must think for everyone, do not sleep at night in the office with a lamp under a green lampshade ...

          smile He himself said ... Pasha as a slave in the galleys.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 8 December 2017 09: 20 New
            13
            Pasha like a slave in the galleys
            he plowed, he is the second term when it was necessary to change the Yeltsin’s and build his vertical. now he doesn’t surrender his own, even despite the elections, Mutko does not want to leave.
          2. cedar
            cedar 9 December 2017 05: 05 New
            +4
            The same LEKHA Yesterday, 08:18 ↑
            Vladimir Vladimirovich must think for everyone, do not sleep at night in the office with a lamp under a green lampshade ...
            smile He himself said ... Pasha as a slave in the galleys.


            Forgotten from what loop of the nineties it was necessary to pull out the country and people. And he pulled it out. But it seems that the people are seriously committed to suicide, because again they are climbing into the same loop of democracy and liberalism, and even scolding Putin, that would not interfere ...
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 9 December 2017 05: 52 New
              +1
              Forgotten from what loop of the nineties it was necessary to pull out the country and people. And he pulled it out. But it seems that the people are seriously committed to suicide, because again they are climbing into the same loop of democracy and liberalism, and even scolding Putin, that would not interfere ...

              I didn’t forget perfectly remember everything ... especially Many Thanks to the GDP for stopping the war in CHECHNYA which would lead to the collapse of RUSSIA.
              brilliantly he did it.
              But I am not happy that PUTIN is now a little like that PUTIN from the 90s ... a decisive, witty fighter with burning eyes ... has grown old ... age, the burden of power and numerous problems puts considerable pressure on his shoulders ... people feel at the limit of their capabilities ... so we see the last years of the reign of Russia's GDP. smile
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 9 December 2017 06: 04 New
                +8
                I agree with everything, I’ll add only: the problems, too ... are a little “plunged”.

                Butting with staffers and other Persians and Turks for influencing BV is not pacifying local abreks all the same.

                IMHO, naturally.
    3. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 8 December 2017 08: 09 New
      +8
      Quote: tasha
      President of the Russian Federation, Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin has nothing more to do but to express his attitude to the competitions held every four years, who will go down the sled faster or ski jump from the ski jump

      However, in case of success on the sports grounds, the Supreme Commander does not miss the opportunity - "express your attitude".
      1. tasha
        tasha 8 December 2017 08: 47 New
        +4
        Has the right to.
        As for the winter games, he also said something like that. What's wrong?
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx 8 December 2017 09: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: tasha
          Has the right to

          By itself.
          Quote: tasha
          Regarding the winter games, he also said something like

          Then what was yours:
          "Putin has nothing more to do but to express his attitude to the competitions held every four years"?
          Quote: tasha
          What's wrong?

          The way he expressed his attitude.
          1. tasha
            tasha 8 December 2017 09: 16 New
            +2
            Vladimir Putin expressed an opinion about what happened? He said. Why then all the noise, like “didn’t say something, didn’t say that ...”. Does he have other worries?
            1. rkkasa xnumx
              rkkasa xnumx 8 December 2017 09: 43 New
              0
              You have already decided what is right for you, otherwise you are wagging back and forth.
              Quote: tasha
              Putin has nothing more to do than express his attitude

              Quote: tasha
              Putin expressed an opinion about what happened? He said. Why then all the noise
              1. tasha
                tasha 8 December 2017 09: 57 New
                +2
                Key suggestion in my comment:

                “It would be to the delight of the public, I would tap on the podium with a shoe or threaten with a button ... So?”
            2. invisibility
              invisibility 8 December 2017 09: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: tasha
              Does he have other worries?

              What is there? And what is he so busy with? Something so serious that it is more important than humiliation of your country? Maybe it will fly to Mars with Mask?
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 December 2017 09: 22 New
      +3
      nothing else to do
      What does he do? in between flights on Siberian Cranes, writes peace plans on his knees ...
      1. cedar
        cedar 9 December 2017 05: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: Gardamir
        nothing else to do
        What does he do? in between flights on Siberian Cranes, writes peace plans on his knees ...


        If you give him a seat, you would certainly look great in it, but if you give it a steering wheel for a day, in the evening you would have crawled away from one analyst going to his table from different information centers of the Country and State to which you must respond accordingly ...
        And there is also a nuclear case, and in it the Strategic Rocket Forces of the Country, Army, military-industrial complex ...
        What about state secrets ...?
        So Sobchak soaped herself in vain .., she will not shave armpits in this chair.
    5. Fox
      Fox 8 December 2017 11: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: tasha
      The President of the Russian Federation, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, has nothing more to do but to express their attitude to the competitions held every four years, who will go down the sled faster or ski jump from the ski jump.

      og ... dumps then who will close then?! ...
  14. Nix1986
    Nix1986 8 December 2017 07: 21 New
    18
    Also thought that Mutko godfather or matchmaker and so on to someone from the top. I stopped waiting for something after Putin’s speech in 2014 about the collapse of the ruble, saying "so what, that a dollar is 60, oil is in dollars, before 30 rubles per dollar at a price of $ 70 per barrel, right now 60 for a dollar at 30 for barrel, so all nishtyak, we won’t do anything. " Waiting for something from the current government is overstated expectations that will lead to negative emotions, sobsno like the author did.
  15. arhPavel
    arhPavel 8 December 2017 07: 55 New
    33

    Diverge
  16. Petr petrov
    Petr petrov 8 December 2017 08: 11 New
    +8
    [quote = Petr1] Roman, I didn’t expect it, just like a knife with the truth, there’s no straight ax, I’ve chopped it off. That's it .. [/ quote]
    Looks like something in my head began to move !!!!!!

    [quote = Kazak_35] I join the author! Waiting for a response from the president in the style of zero "We will
    soak in toilets !!!
    I’ve been waiting for nothing for a long time !!!!!!!!!
    Maybe only "I'm tired, I'm leaving" ... !!!!!
  17. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 8 December 2017 08: 19 New
    +5
    We noticed how beautifully the topic of OI on our television screens was replaced by events in Ukraine and Putin’s statement about the possibility of participating in the elections.


    "Victory in Syria" ... "Victory over the IS" in Syria forgot to list ...
  18. free
    free 8 December 2017 08: 21 New
    0
    At the stone, I think there are no options left! Zugzwang!
  19. AleBors
    AleBors 8 December 2017 08: 54 New
    21
    Thanks to Roman and Alexander. In a thick mess of sugary statues about the fact that we "step over", "Sport outside politics" was given out from the heart. I fully support your opinion. Now we (ordinary people, people, the electorate, emphasize the necessary) are on the brink of survival. And it seems that this line is getting thinner. The coming year seems to be the edge beyond which the abyss is already. I don’t know how it will end. But the credibility of GDP after its inarticulate murmur about OI fell sharply in my eyes.
    Survive, of course, and this ... But, it seems, not all.
  20. erased
    erased 8 December 2017 08: 56 New
    21
    The USSR was a great power, and the Russian Federation was a trading office with missiles. That’s the whole story. Apparently, a ban will follow on the participation of the Russian national team in the World Cup, the removal of Russian athletes from other competitions under the flag of the Russian Federation or their full transition to the UN rag. And if the Russian Federation swallows it, as a whore swallows sperm, then all the people then too - under a UN rag.
    If Western guest workers and traders are in power, what else to expect?
    1. Commander
      Commander 8 December 2017 12: 49 New
      +3
      And why did this mighty USSR, a great power, so stupidly merge? collapsed - without war, without scary to say deprivation of admission to the Olympics? It never occurred to you?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 12: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Commander
        It never occurred to you?

        YOUR OPINION?
        1. Commander
          Commander 8 December 2017 13: 12 New
          +8
          First of all - the betrayal of the party elite, who were convinced that they can personally monetize their position by snatching pieces from state property, escape to the west and pass the stolen to children. And a shortage was made to the population and brainwashed with the Twinkle. The price of oil, the war in Afghanistan - these are trifles, and they didn’t bear it. This is very brief, because the VO resource is clearly not analytical.
  21. CONTROL
    CONTROL 8 December 2017 09: 07 New
    12
    I wonder why Mutko is connected with Putin? Also went to one wrestling section?

    Mutko - from 1992 to 1996 he was a member of the government of St. Petersburg, i.e. in the team of A. Sobchak ... And A. Sobchak - he, as you know, is a "great writer" - or rather. "writer" - the current Constitution of the Russian Federation! it is written, however, "from the words" of Western cues ... plagiarism!
    Therefore, and: - Oh sport, are you a dirty politics?! ...
  22. Eurodav
    Eurodav 8 December 2017 09: 12 New
    22
    Anecdote:
    "After studying the relics of Alexander Nevsky for doping, WADA recommended giving the victory to the drowned German knights on Lake Peipsi."
  23. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 December 2017 09: 16 New
    +6
    Authors well done! The topic is important! This is our life, and not daily chewing about how in Ukraine, and how our Trump is.
  24. rudolff
    rudolff 8 December 2017 09: 22 New
    10
    Maybe de Mestre is right: "Every nation has the government that it deserves"? Or Montesquieu: "Every nation deserves its fate"? We see what is happening around, but we ourselves are ready to vote with our hands and feet to preserve "this." Under a joyful hooting we step into the abyss. Another Putin term and it may happen that Russia will never rise from its knees. Just the legs will be gone.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 December 2017 19: 37 New
      +3
      “We walk into the abyss under a joyful hooting” - Oh well, the Olympiad is far from an indicator of the country's prestige. “Another Putin’s term, and it may happen that Russia will never rise from its knees” Of course, only that's all that is forgotten, where it all began. In 2000, Russia's GDP is 13 trillion rubles, in 2017 - 92 trillion, agriculture shows harvest records from year to year, production rates of heavy, precision engineering are growing, light industry is also growing, gold and foreign exchange reserves are growing, the state share is one of the smallest in the world as inflation of 3%, during the reign of Putin, the army changed significantly and the army grew stronger, Crimea returned to Russia, they began to build factories and plants on a large scale, even if some of them are assembly plants - this is work for people, as well as tax deductions in b the budget - so we continue to live on and develop without this "smelly" Olympiad which does not mean anything and will no longer mean.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 8 December 2017 20: 52 New
        +5
        In 2000, Russia's GDP is 13 trillion rubles, in 2017 - 92 trillion,
        Do you consider inflation and dollar rates?
        agriculture shows yields from year to year,
        there are no farms, no meat, no milk. Yes, and the harvest of which, if everything is purchased abroad.
        the army has grown stronger
        how do you measure the fortress?
        Crimea is back
        on the condition to forget that Ukraine is ours. After all, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Mariupol and Odessa are originally Russian cities. This must also be remembered.
        tax deductions to the budget
        but Dmitry doesn’t know everything says that there is no money.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 9 December 2017 11: 03 New
          +1
          Dmitry can say anything, but Russia does not need freeloaders in the form of Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Odessa, there are enough of their own problems, they still need to feed and restore the infrastructure.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 9 December 2017 11: 05 New
          +1
          “You take inflation into account and exchange rates” - The dollar exchange rate has nothing to do with it, in Russia the turnover is in rubles.
        3. Commander
          Commander 9 December 2017 11: 57 New
          +1
          [quote = Guardamir] [quote]
          there are no farms, no meat, no milk. Yes, and the harvest of which, if everything is purchased abroad.
          [quote] strengthened the army, [/ quote] how do you measure the fortress?
          [quote] Crimea returned [/ quote] on the condition to forget that Ukraine is ours. After all, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Mariupol and Odessa are originally Russian cities. This must also be remembered.
          [quote] tax deductions to the budget [/ quote] and Dmitry doesn’t know everything says that there is no money. [/ quote]
          About the fact that there are no farms, meat and milk you are stupidly lying. Milk is all domestic, chicken is 100% - and is actively exported, pork - 92%, beef - 75%. Yes, but what did Minsk and Pavlodar forget? Manuals did not deliver? If you want to fight for Kharkov, here you go. And if Kharkovites do not fight for Kharkov, then why should we? Are you also banned in Google? See 17-year budget revenue growth and spending.
  25. Nemesis
    Nemesis 8 December 2017 09: 29 New
    +5
    The problem is that the government and the president of the Russian Federation do not understand that the Russian Federation is not the USSR and continue to spend huge amounts of money from the Russian budget on the former republics of the scoop, not noticing the problems in the Russian Federation itself ...
    1. Commander
      Commander 8 December 2017 12: 48 New
      +3
      What nonsense are you writing? Manuals mixed up? When does it spend something from the state budget on neighboring countries? Where are the proofs?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 12: 54 New
        +1
        baikonur content as a separate budget line
        1. Commander
          Commander 8 December 2017 13: 14 New
          +3
          So this is rent for use. don't you see the difference? so Americans pay us for similar services - engines and delivery of their astronauts to the ISS
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 14: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Commander
            So this is rent for use

            rent it separately
            1. Commander
              Commander 9 December 2017 12: 00 New
              +2
              Well, this is not the content of Kazakhstan as a whole, but the content of the city, ZATO, where everything is tailored to our space program. In order for those who implement them to live in human conditions. Or unique specialists should provide starts from tents. But the Kazakhs do not need this, with their financing, everything will decline. That's what it’s so stupid to juggle. And Nemesis, after all, is blunting "about the former Soviet republics."
      2. Nemesis
        Nemesis 8 December 2017 18: 12 New
        +3
        If you’re off topic, then study the question before writing ... Only Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan have donated $ 750 million to the detriment of the Russian Federation ... which has its own problems, but now they decided to donate $ 100 to Armenia, but they shout that there is not enough money for the rearmament of the Russian army and the repair of its warships ... What is more important for Putin, Armenia there, or Russia here ?! If Armenia, then maybe he’d better get his candidacy for president there, and not in the Russian Federation ?!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 8 December 2017 19: 25 New
          10
          Quote: Nemesis
          Putin, Armenia there, or Russia here ?!

          Here you are ... lazy ...
          Quote: Gyumri
          On the territory of Armenia, in the city of Gyumri, the 102nd Russian military base is located. In 2010, Yerevan showed that it would continue to comply with allied commitments, extending the period of dislocation of the Russian military base until 2044. The rent for the base is not charged, and the maintenance of the base is partially paid by the Republic of Armenia

          Interesting, I note, organization. Only those who know about her, for some reason, are silent, like a fish on ice.
          But it is covered very sour, take an interest at your leisure wink

          Quote: Kant
          There are several important Russian military facilities in Kyrgyzstan. This is a test base for anti-submarine torpedo weapons located on the shores of Lake Issyk-Kul, the 338th communications center of the Navy “Marevo” (Prometey station), which is responsible for communication in the extra-long wavelength range with submarines on combat duty (in underwater position) and Air Force Base Russian Armed Forces Kant. Also in Kyrgyzstan is a seismic station operating in the interests of the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation

          Everything is taken from here, there is still:

          After reading this (and a couple of similar articles, there are a lot of them in VO), questions about the "feeding" of Kyrgyzstan, Armenia, etc. you finally disappear ... I really hope that this happens, at least laughing
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 December 2017 19: 39 New
          +1
          To you that from this that he allegedly gave, you will not see this money in any situation and you will not feel their actions on yourself.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 11 December 2017 01: 25 New
            +1
            Or maybe I will see if in the Kremlin there will be fewer patriots of foreign states and Russian patriots will appear ...
        3. Commander
          Commander 9 December 2017 12: 01 New
          +2
          You have already been answered, this is a fee for the maintenance of military bases.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 11 December 2017 01: 27 New
            +1
            But I don’t need a Russian military base in the republics of the former scoop ... Russia needs to withdraw these troops to the border with Kazakhstan and put things in order there, and the Russian troops in Armenia do not affect drug trafficking through the border with Kazakhstan, which they turned into a passage yard .. .
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2017 08: 23 New
              0
              Quote: Nemesis
              the border with Kazakhstan, which was turned into a passage yard, is not affected ...

              Do you really think that it can be completely closed especially in winter ?!
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 11 December 2017 09: 08 New
                0
                It’s realistic to close it, and even more so in winter ... No one has canceled the tracks in the snow, and now there are UAVs and helicopters, there aren’t only troops on the border with Kazakhstan that are needed for this, they are protecting Armenia and Tajikistan, which is for drug trafficking in Russia through the border with Kazakhstan does not affect at all ...
                1. your1970
                  your1970 11 December 2017 12: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  It’s realistic to close it, and even more so in winter ... No one has canceled the tracks in the snow, and now there are UAVs and helicopters, there aren’t only troops on the border with Kazakhstan that are needed for this, they are protecting Armenia and Tajikistan, which is for drug trafficking in Russia through the border with Kazakhstan does not affect at all ...
                  -
                  1) he just didn’t see the steppe, in principle.
                  2) he does not know that traces from URALA down the hub (knee-deep) are covered with snow (not a blizzard !!) in just 6 hours, traces from a passenger car (where it can pass) - in 1-1,5 hours, traces of a person sweeps almost before our eyes
                  3) the border with the Republic of Kazakhstan - a zone of constantly blowing very strong winds (in the region of 300 days a year). That is why so many military airfields were here under the USSR. Any UAVs of small sizes will carry to Kazan / Tambov with these winds.
                  4) the border is blocked by the Federal Border Guard Service (as far as possible under the given conditions) - I categorically DO NOT RECOMMEND you to go through it. In addition, on the other side of the border is the border service of the Republic of Kazakhstan (also quite serious guys).
                  5) if you think that they don’t catch drugs, you are mistaken, they catch. And the courts are imprisoned, and the terms are given in full.
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 11 December 2017 22: 20 New
                    0
                    Judging by what you write, you have never seen an equipped border, with an alarm system, barbed wire, video cameras and a control and track strip ... The border with Kazakhstan is a passing yard today, there are even not enough people there and catastrophically, and the Russian army guards foreign countries of the former scoop, instead of putting things in order on its border ... This is not right ...
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 12 December 2017 08: 01 New
                      0
                      You won’t believe it. I saw the Soviet-Afghan ...
                      even there in 1989-90 there weren’t enough border guards and we drove out of neutral ...
                      I saw Russian-Finnish ...
                      I’ll tell you a secret: I’m a customs officer (albeit a former one) from the Russian-Kazakh border ....
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 12 December 2017 09: 19 New
                        0
                        Then all the more must they understand that the troops of the Russian Federation are needed on the borders of the Russian Federation, and not in the independent republics of the former scoop, sick with Russophobia
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 12 December 2017 10: 37 New
                        0
                        Quote: Nemesis
                        in patients Russophobia independent republics of the former scoop
                        -that's it it disease and is treated by some troops THERE.
                        This is how the United States treats anti-American sentiment in Europe, and it helps.
                        In addition, you forget that the Americans will automatically come to the place of our troops.
  26. Loess
    Loess 8 December 2017 09: 31 New
    12
    As for the deprivation of awards of our athletes for the 2014 Olympiad of the year, for me this Olympiad will still be remembered as our VICTORY. Exactly, in capital letters. And it doesn’t matter to me deeply what they decide in the IOC. And as for the current situation, I will say so. At the moment, our team will go to the Olympics or boycott it - any decision is beneficial to the West. Too arrogant and frenzied hype inflated around this event. I would like a boycott of the Olympics, but on the "top" everybody knows better. Yes, sport is big politics. Yes, we all got into a terribly unpleasant situation. Moreover, the West has already achieved what it wanted - society is splitting up, how many people rushed to criticize the authorities. And the question is essentially not about power. What is the point of trying to prove something somewhere, if the unconfirmed words of an escaped official who has been prosecuted in Russia are used as the main argument against us? Everything is calculated, everything is paid, the verdict is handed down in advance. It remains to wait until the enemy makes a mistake. And you ... It feels like some people enjoy self-humiliation. Everyone is free to make their choice. I made my choice. I’m right or wrong - time will tell, but I won’t be pouring water to the mill of these fag ... hmm, gan ... uh ... our western partners.
    1. Ramzai
      Ramzai 8 December 2017 12: 18 New
      +4
      At least one sensible comment! Bravo!
      1. Loess
        Loess 8 December 2017 12: 25 New
        +3
        Yes, I read comments for three days, it’s boiling)
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 December 2017 12: 48 New
      +4
      for the 2014 Olympics our VICTORY
      Our Victory was in 1980. Everyone knows about the cycle track in Krylatskoye, a bunch of the remaining stadiums, what remains after the so-called 2014 Olympics?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 13: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Gardamir
        what remains after the so-called 2014 olympiad?

        https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/73914
        https://sport.rbc.ru/news/575482ef9a7947956f45861
        9
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 8 December 2017 13: 53 New
          0
          https://s
          And there is news about which they will not talk.
          http://sportssmi.ru/2017/10/17/meditsinskij-korpu
          s-sportivnogo-tsentra-olimp-nachal-razrushatsya.h
          tml
          or
          http://www.rosbalt.ru/russia/2017/12/05/1666126.h
          tml
          the main thing is not to talk about the bad, so that people do not arouse.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 15: 11 New
            +1
            and what is it for ?!
            Putin ratified an agreement with Uzbekistan on employment in the Russian Federation

            Oh! Page not found
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 8 December 2017 15: 23 New
              +1
              and what is it for ?!
              mutually
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 15: 30 New
                +2
                what is mutual? !!
                what does gastra have to do with the use of sports facilities in Sochi, the second link is generally broken
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 8 December 2017 15: 43 New
                  +1
                  the second link is generally broken
                  you too.
                  http://sochi.scapp.ru/scapp-mesta/sudba-olimpijsk
                  ih-obectov /
                  as for guest workers. we are now discussing not only the olympiad, but also the leadership. what it does for the country.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 15: 51 New
                    +1
                    you will forgive me, but I did not give such a link
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 8 December 2017 16: 03 New
                      0
                      Did not bring
                      the longer people communicate, the more misunderstanding arises. I asked, you answered, further went clarifications and we were confused. The last link is already mine.
      2. Commander
        Commander 8 December 2017 13: 15 New
        +1
        Was Google banned? You are there, in a separate battalion of ukrobots, we don’t count as fools at all.
  27. BAI
    BAI 8 December 2017 09: 44 New
    +3
    Agree, tell the president at any meeting that we will boycott not only these games, but also the IOC’s work before the final and probative doping scandal, not only with Russian athletes, but with everyone, regardless of the country, would not be a holiday in Russia worse than what we saw after the annexation of Crimea.

    Yes, they only achieved this. Boycott - automatic pass of 2 Olympics.
    In 1980 and 1984, the Olympics were boycotted not only by great powers, but also by their allies. It was technically impossible to exclude them. And now - Russia is one and no longer a great power. Expelled at a time.
    1. lBEARl
      lBEARl 8 December 2017 15: 10 New
      +2
      Well, the word boycott could be replaced by the words "we strongly do not recommend athletes to participate in the Olympic Games." Technically and legally, this is not a boycott; Russia and OCD were not allowed at OI 2018 anyway. You cannot blame a country participating in the Olympic movement for a boycott if it is not allowed by the IOC.
  28. BAI
    BAI 8 December 2017 09: 51 New
    +4
    And where is the chieftain of this very cabinet?

    Well, where. Yesterday, at a meeting of the Government, he gave the next instructions on the development of sports to the deputy prime minister for sports, a certain Mutko.
  29. invisibility
    invisibility 8 December 2017 09: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: Wend
    in Russia there would be a holiday no worse than what we saw after the annexation of Crimea.
    Not for athletes for sure.
    Quote: Kazak_35
    I join the author! I waited for an answer from the president in the style of zero "We will water in the outhouse !!!" And what I heard ... There is a bitter aftertaste left, the precipitate is very unpleasant! He used to support Putin very much, he really believed that if not he then who! And now I understand that it’s necessary to start fresh blood in the nulls. The older I get, the more pink paint comes off my glasses, gasoline costs 40 rubles in an energy power, with a salary of 50 thousand for me and 44 for my wife with two children we cannot afford to fly to rest in a hot country, change a car, at school , in the kindergarten, give, gasoline increase ON, housing and communal services increase another ON! They demand to donate money for water to children, the state does not have money to pay water to children in the kindergarten ... Here after such news, there is a desire to throw everything to black dogs and dump it from this country, it stops only that nobody needs me there and here are parents, friends, connections. We’ll stretch it out somehow, but it’s very tired of it.

    It would be necessary to wipe the glasses, otherwise the pink paint would slip, and the black should be smeared, and the glasses should be replaced with stronger ones in order to see better. laughing What would happen after such a decision? A bunch of articles in the Western press that Russia is following the path of the USSR, a dictatorial regime. Why give a reason to strengthen Western opinion in their slander. But this approach, once again leaves the west with a nose. Well, of course, "sighted" patriots will stomp their legs and bang their hands. Turn on the brain, there is a big political war and not all battles can be won, most importantly Victory. Full and unconditional surrender, as was the case in 1945. And not otherwise.

    Oh, what terrible things you described! How to live, then? Horror! Dictatorship!
    Yes, on ... I have the opinion of some ye ..!
    1. Verkhomnapule
      Verkhomnapule 8 December 2017 10: 41 New
      0
      sho you whine, it’s hard for everyone, but do you think sho people live better behind the cordon than the Russians? But I really doubt that if you are a millionaire, they don’t give a shit about the name of the territory where you shit your grandmothers and it’s hard for a mere mortal and not living on a buzz, similarly, sho here, sho below the line !!! There is a way out, but we don’t know it, so when they find it (most likely not in our lifetimes) then we will have a goal, and for now we will patiently survive (revolution and war is already a passed stage)
  30. invisibility
    invisibility 8 December 2017 09: 57 New
    +9
    Quote: Wend
    main victory. Complete and unconditional surrender, as it was in 1945

    Do you smoke something forbidden?
    Do not dare to put together Victory and Putin, bashfully draping a mausoleum, next!
  31. Verkhomnapule
    Verkhomnapule 8 December 2017 10: 31 New
    +1
    of course, the athletes are out of business and no one will blame them, even if they express a desire to go and perform under this white rag, but it’s a shame for the state. Russia will be rinsed for a long time in all kinds of slops, but my opinion should be boycotted harshly and ambiguously this rabid anti-Russian mainstream, if we swallow this poke from these critters, their appetites will be played out and they will troll any unwanted Anglo-Saxon country, in the same way as RUSSIA, that is, there is no need to create a precedent, and even such a shameful one !!! stop
  32. sa-ag
    sa-ag 8 December 2017 10: 34 New
    +4
    "And think about what I would like to live really in Great Russia."
    Several questions arose at once, but what do the authors mean or take for the sample of Great Russia, that Russia of Nicholas II, or Catherine II or Peter the Great, or Alexei Mikhailovich Tishayshiy or unexpectedly the USSR? Is there anything to offer dear listeners in the form of an idea, a goal for society, guidelines for following a goal, an economic model?
  33. Pushkar
    Pushkar 8 December 2017 10: 36 New
    11
    As for the fuss around the Olympic Games and offended athletes - seven years poppy was not born and there was no hunger. About nepotism Mutko and others - the whole government and the ELITE are Putin’s team, his blood and flesh. But Putin does not give up.
  34. tulyak
    tulyak 8 December 2017 10: 45 New
    +4
    I also completely and even more agree with the author. Of course, I understand that we are all different, everyone has their own opinion, but this time the president was very disappointed, quite right. It seems to me many, after his comments, felt a kind of slap in the face, the feeling when they beat was not counted. How could it be said that we ourselves are to blame for this, albeit partially, how? And somehow, he was not confidently smearing, his speech said more truly that ash was directly vomiting. Putin is wrong this time wrong, at least he has analyzed what the people think and say about this. He took and decided for all of us. It's a shame, a shame, but try to "go out into the street with a protest" in a moment you find yourself in a jail.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 12: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: tulyak
      at least analyze what people think they say about this.

      and this, the doctor makes a decision based on knowledge, and not on the patient’s desire
  35. Taoist
    Taoist 8 December 2017 10: 52 New
    +8
    It was economically useless to put pressure on the USSR of the Stalin era ... It is already possible for the USSR in the era of Brezhnev ... Well, about the current times, I am generally silent ... Have you climbed into the global market? Just do not take into account that we are not writing the rules here, but if "the gentleman is not satisfied with the rules, he changes the rules" ... What were you waiting for?
    Here I have all my life on the "sport of great achievements" was spit ... from the word at all. Well, I’m not a fan ... But the other day there was a feeling that I personally spat in the face.
  36. cedar
    cedar 8 December 2017 10: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: kos 75
    So what, then, in conditions of actual war do we save money the enemy? And the children of our elite live there?


    Do not store. He takes them from us simply by right of the winner in the ХV.
    For 25 years of political and economic occupation, which of course the occupying media will remain silent and at the same time brainwash the endless "Field of Miracles" in the country of children's questions .., nevertheless, one could figure out who, what and why? Dig about the children yourself, if necessary ...
    Note that no one else will give another 25 years.
    Soon there will be a "prize in the studio ..."
  37. Mestny
    Mestny 8 December 2017 11: 00 New
    +3
    The whole two-day friendly moan of non-worthy commentators on various resources has gathered in this article.
    And what is most interesting is not that the general idea would be repeated. So even individual phrases as a carbon copy.
    Clear business here now with new forces round dance of "Putin walkers" will begin.
    1. Commander
      Commander 8 December 2017 12: 45 New
      +2
      Exactly. The same is true for Aftershock and LJ. Like on command
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 December 2017 12: 52 New
      +3
      Of course
      But in the case have something to say?
      1. Commander
        Commander 8 December 2017 13: 16 New
        +1
        What is the point of talking to you about the case?
    3. Nonna
      Nonna 8 December 2017 13: 20 New
      11
      Quote: Mestny
      Clear business here now with new forces round dance of "Putin walkers" will begin.


      Since when did Putin become untouchable, is he not a man, but God? Doesn’t make mistakes, infallible, like the Pope? What can not be criticized?
      This is our president, of our country, and we all have the right to express our opinion, as well as disagree with him on various issues. Or what will we return to the past: the party said it is necessary, we answered, is?
      And did Putin interrupt the era of oligarch rule? That Chubais is already sewing mittens in Mordovia, the Yeltsin Center is closed, Dzerzhinsky has returned to his place, privatization has ended and the nationalization of squandered enterprises has begun?
      1. Commander
        Commander 9 December 2017 12: 06 New
        +1
        I would like to hear not a set of cheap slogans and memes from manuals, but specific proposals with an analysis of specific problems. And so this stupid propaganda is obtained. especially now it is well known by whom it is paid and for what.
  38. Qubi
    Qubi 8 December 2017 11: 43 New
    +2
    I am against the performance of our athletes under the Olympic flag. But is it really not clear that officials cannot voice a call for a boycott, as this will entail a suspension of 8 years. Why in vain escalate the situation? On December 12, we will find out who our Olympians are (according to the results of the discussion).
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 8 December 2017 14: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: Qubi
      as this will entail a suspension of 8 years.


      But this is not the main thing, after all, they have accounts for the cordon and property, and relatives settled there.
    2. lBEARl
      lBEARl 8 December 2017 15: 15 New
      +1
      Well, the word boycott could be replaced by the words "we strongly do not recommend athletes to participate in the Olympic Games." Technically and legally, this is not a boycott; Russia and OCD were not allowed at OI 2018 anyway. You cannot blame a country participating in the Olympic movement for a boycott if it is not allowed by the IOC.
  39. Ural resident
    Ural resident 8 December 2017 12: 03 New
    +4
    With this Olympiad, Putin was hit once before the election.
    The United States knows how to force the patriotic people to overthrow their own patriotic president, who protects them.
    And Putin is to blame for not starting a war with Ukraine.
    What answer was expected from him? What does he loudly hit the table and zilch? In this case, there is nothing to answer at all.
    It was a dirty and sneaky blow. And with Ukraine, too - they perfectly understood that this is part of our Slavic ethnic group and emotions will overwhelm us.
    There is only one answer - the strengthening of the armed forces, dominance in the Arctic, the sale of hydrocarbons - and with this money the implementation of social programs (and fertility), the development of science, including military, and for this the strengthening of our positions in the Middle East, presence in various international organizations, tough defense of our interests where we can definitely win, information war in all directions, strengthening relations with our neighbors. So far, Putin is doing all this. As soon as all these achievements gain a "critical mass" - then all sorts of mongrel shut up. In the meantime, we are still in the "echo" of the 90s.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 12: 21 New
      +6
      Quote: A resident of the Urals
      There is only one answer - the strengthening of the armed forces, dominance in the Arctic, the sale of hydrocarbons - and with this money the implementation of social programs (and birth rates)

      no
      the answer can only be the creation of an alternative IDEOLOGY, and we are trying to be a little pregnant
      1. Commander
        Commander 8 December 2017 12: 44 New
        +1
        New - which one? Soviet ideology and monarchy ended in the collapse of Russia and seas of blood. Which one will we try now?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 12: 49 New
          +6
          Quote: Commander
          New - which one?

          ANY ALTERNATIVE, the Union could organize anything because it was the center of an alternative ideology, but we want to be part of the West, but at the same time oppose it
          Quote: Commander
          Soviet ideology and monarchy ended in the collapse of Russia and seas of blood.

          the postulate is extremely erroneous, the Soviet ideology, by the way, like the monarchy, were not REASONS for the collapse of the USSR and RI, respectively
          1. Commander
            Commander 8 December 2017 13: 19 New
            +3
            The reason was that Soviet ideology, like monarchist ideology, ceased to control the souls and minds of the majority of the population. They turned out to be very easy to replace. Moreover, if the eradication of monarchical ideology required a world war senseless for the people, then for the Soviet it turned out to be “Look”, “Twinkle” and “Little Faith”. Well and still video salons with a "showcase" of Western life. So something was wrong at the conservatory.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 15: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: Commander
              then for the Soviet turned out to be “Look”, “Twinkle” and “Little Faith”

              if a person is told for a very long time that he is a pig, then at some point he grunts
              there was not only little faith, there were a lot of things
              and most importantly was the XX Congress
              1. Commander
                Commander 9 December 2017 12: 09 New
                0
                The problem with Soviet ideology was that in the mid-80s, very few people followed it in real life. At party meetings they said one thing, and then fled to the right people for a shortage. How could they allow Soviet people to be told that they are pigs?
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 December 2017 12: 53 New
      +2
      nothing to answer at all.
      because there is nothing that in 17 years he has not created anything.
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    4. Pancir026
      Pancir026 8 December 2017 13: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: A resident of the Urals
      Strengthening the armed forces

      The new state weapons program (GPV) for 2018–2025 will be cut. On Tuesday, May 16, this was discussed in Sochi at a meeting on the implementation of the GPV, chaired by Russian President Vladimir Putin https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/172535/
      Quote: A resident of the Urals
      sale of hydrocarbons

      The total fortune of 18 Russian dollar billionaires in the first month of 2017 increased by $ 7,9 billion, according to Bloomberg.

      According to the estimates of his experts, the co-owner of UC Rusal Oleg Deripaska became the most wealthy in January, having increased his capital by $ 1,7 billion at once - from $ 6,1 billion to 7,8 billion.

      The main owner of the Magnitogorsk Metallurgical Plant, Viktor Rashnikov, became richer by $ 1,1 billion over the month. Vladimir Lisin, head of the board of directors of the Novolipetsk Metallurgical Plant, controlling 84% of NLMK, whose fortune grew by $ 941,5 million over the month, closed the top three.

      Four more businessmen got rich by more than half a billion dollars in January: the main owner of EuroChem Andrei Melnichenko ($ 898,5 million), the founder of USM Holdings Alisher Usmanov ($ 875 million), the head of the Renova group Viktor Vekselberg ($ 697,7 million) and ONEXIM group owner Mikhail Prokhorov ($ 633,7 million).

      Read more at RBC:
      https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5891e08c9a79471f2a
      a6093a
      While most of the Russian population was rapidly losing income and anxiously recalled the dashing 90s, domestic elites continued to grow rich. According to Knight Frank Research, in 2016 the number of dollar millionaires in Russia increased by 2015% compared to 10, and there were 11% more billionaires, the RANEPA reports in a monthly monitoring.

      The number of super-rich citizens in the Russian Federation grew at a faster pace. Over the same period, the number of billionaires in the world has increased by only 3%. In Australia, they increased by 10%, in the Asia-Pacific region - by 8%, in the USA - by 6%. At the same time, in Europe, the countries of the Near and Middle East, as well as Latin America, the ranks of super-rich have thinned noticeably - by 4% .http: //sputnikbig.ru/ekonomika-i-finansy/item/
      12368-pochemu-v-rossii-stremitelno-rastet-chislo-
      milliarderov
      Quote: A resident of the Urals
      implementation of social programs (and fertility)

      A hint of recent initiatives. For 10000 r on the nose? Not funny, amid sharply enriched?
      Quote: A resident of the Urals
      , tough defense of our interests where we can definitely win

      Hmm ... at the Olympics, the "tough" upholding of their national interests ended in essentially surrendering to a bunch of Western officials. Which dictates the US behavior.
      Quote: A resident of the Urals
      information war in all directions

      If this were so, then yesterday it would be necessary to stop defamation of the past, putting forward as an example either the Solzhenitsyn, then Nikolayev 2, other different ... Stolypin.
      Quote: A resident of the Urals
      strengthening relations with our neighbors

      We are late a lot, not stopping to defame the closest ally of the Republic of Belarus.
      Quote: A resident of the Urals
      As soon as all these achievements gain a "critical mass" - then all sorts of mongrel shut up. In the meantime, we are still in the "echo" of the 90s.

      How many more, in your opinion, will we all be in this echo of dubious deeds of the 90s and those who in those years made a disaster for the country?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 December 2017 19: 42 New
        +2
        Do not count other people's money - you better count yours.
  40. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 12: 18 New
    +2
    tell the president at any meeting that we are boycotting not only these games, but also the IOC’s work before the final and probative trial of the doping scandal not only with Russian athletes, but with everyone, regardless of the country, a holiday in Russia would be worse that we saw after the annexation of Crimea. And pride.
    it's all wonderful, but ...
    if you drop emotions and think
    let's say severed relations with the IOC, FULLY
    what's next?!!!
    The IOC will not refuse the decision, we will not bow to the same
    The Russian Federation is not a Union and the center of ideology is not an alternative Olympic movement will not be able to create, even the "allies" are unlikely to support us
    what shall we do ?!
    1. Commander
      Commander 8 December 2017 12: 43 New
      +3
      And the most interesting thing is that if you leave the IOC and stir up alternative Games, then this will require huge investments. And probably from the same accounts. from which they now suddenly felt insulted, a screech would flow that it would be better for the pensioners to give this money. If people at the military forum really do not understand why invest in the Crimean bridge ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 12: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Commander
        it will require huge investments

        in addition to investments, participants are needed, the Union could mobilize a number of countries, whom can we? !!
        1. Commander
          Commander 8 December 2017 13: 20 New
          +2
          No one except Abkhazia and South Ossetia. That’s the question why the Union could afford it, but we didn’t. Therefore, it is already worthwhile to understand what kind of crap we found ourselves in 1991.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 15: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Commander
            That’s the question why the Union could afford it, but we didn’t.

            The union was not part of the west, but we are
            1. Commander
              Commander 9 December 2017 12: 11 New
              +1
              That's it. The West is a huge pile of crap. To understand this, we had to ditch our own country, or rather, an entire civilization.
  41. prior
    prior 8 December 2017 12: 29 New
    +7
    In his response to the decision of the IOC, the President of Russia only confirmed that Russia is a third world country.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 12: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: prior
      that Russia is a third world country.

      but you can hear your suggestion
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 8 December 2017 14: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        but you can hear your suggestion

        Although the question is different, I will apologize for the interference and intervene in the dialogue.
        1. Criminal prosecution of the slanderers of their IOC, WADA and journalists, without statute of limitations.
        2. The country should withdraw from all international organizations, stop paying fees, ignore the decisions of these organizations. And entry into any international organization again should be subject to respect for Russia and its citizens, with the right to freeze contributions if this principle is not respected.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 15: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: uskrabut
          2. The country should withdraw from all international organizations, stop paying fees, ignore the decisions of these organizations

          Do you have a plan of further actions ?!
  42. Radikal
    Radikal 8 December 2017 12: 55 New
    +1
    The authors of the article respect, and a fat plus! good
  43. Radikal
    Radikal 8 December 2017 12: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: tasha
    Key suggestion in my comment:

    “It would be to the delight of the public, I would tap on the podium with a shoe or threaten with a button ... So?”

    And why not? belay But because the gut is thin! wassat
    1. Commander
      Commander 8 December 2017 13: 22 New
      +2
      No, because he has brains. And the size is more than that of a gopnik in the gateway. Or are you ready to fight in a nuclear war for refusing us to participate in the OI? And who is threatening, but not doing - who?
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 9 December 2017 10: 45 New
        0
        Why not threaten a nuclear war? I assure you, the owners of the Fed absolutely do not accept nuclear war and merge at once (the DPRK with its wretched capabilities in terms of nuclear weapons, but calmly sending the owners of the Fed, a real confirmation of my words). In addition, Russia has the least vulnerability to nuclear weapons from all countries of the world (Israel is one of the most vulnerable countries for nuclear weapons). So the threat of using nuclear weapons and their use against the enemy for any reason is our EVERYTHING!
  44. Evgeny_2017
    Evgeny_2017 8 December 2017 13: 01 New
    10
    I hoped that our President of the Russian Federation would give a worthy answer.
    But it turned out something slurred. Too bad we’ll survive.
    The result of this performance was probably known in advance. How can I explain that almost a day before the decision was announced, on many sites it was possible to find notes that an order for the production of a white uniform for athletes from Russia had arrived (I’m not writing specifically for Russian athletes).
    No arguments that were being prepared, the dream of a lifetime, etc. - in this case are not accepted.
    Russia was subtly insulted and humiliated by throwing her a white flag.
    Accept.
    Just do not need to talk with pathos everywhere about the greatness of Russia.
    Mentally presented a similar situation for athletes in the USA and other countries - what would their Presidents and athletes answer? Comments are probably not required.
    Do not be surprised that Russia will continue to be crushed if the resistance is completely absent and Greatness and honor are lost.
    I did not expect such an answer, well, I don’t understand, it doesn’t fit in my head that this was possible.
    Time will give the right answer.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 15: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Eugene_2017
      I hoped that our President of the Russian Federation would give a worthy answer.

      which one?!
  45. Radikal
    Radikal 8 December 2017 13: 11 New
    10
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: prior
    that Russia is a third world country.

    but you can hear your suggestion

    But will it change anything? Nevertheless, if you please, there are precedents from the past when countries refused to participate in the Games for one reason or another (everyone knows who), and overcame anything. But the “face” and respect for the Flag have been preserved! And here they spit in the "face" constantly, about, and without - and nothing happens! Interestingly, do not get tired to wipe? Or spit in your eyes, but it turns out to be God's moisture? Or does the honor of a country mean nothing? However, this quality is absent from most representatives of the political class, or as they like to call themselves - "elite"! sad
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 8 December 2017 13: 37 New
      +4
      Yes, after the situation with our diplomats in the USA, everything became clear
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 15: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Radikal
      there are precedents from the past when countries refused to participate in the Games for one reason or another

      Who?!
      Quote: Radikal
      and nothing - overcame. But the “face” and respect for the Flag have been preserved!

      how?
      Quote: Radikal
      Or does the honor of a country mean nothing?

      means, but there is one law, took out a knife BEY
      Once again we are ABLE TO CREATE AN ALTERNATIVE OI? !!!
      if not, the question is closed
  46. yaroslav-8801
    yaroslav-8801 8 December 2017 13: 15 New
    0
    There was dope on our part. And we got what we deserve. And our athletes must perform, under any flag. Mudko, Zhukov, and their entire team must leave.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 15: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: yaroslav-8801
      There was dope on our part.

      but this is interesting ?!
      who, when? !!!
      was it only with us?
      if not, how are the NOCs of those countries punished whose athletes were caught doping? !!!!
      Quote: yaroslav-8801
      And we got what we deserve.

      if the doping was and everything is so bad, then why the IOC agrees to close the topic of doping payment field 15 lyam? !!!!
      or maybe the question is not about pharmacology, but about politics?
    2. Commander
      Commander 9 December 2017 12: 13 New
      0
      Now I look, they launched the second group of bots.)) Those. The principle of collective responsibility of athletes, including and those who have not violated anything at all do not bother you?
  47. Curious
    Curious 8 December 2017 13: 15 New
    +4
    "There is only one answer - the strengthening of the armed forces, dominance in the Arctic, the sale of hydrocarbons - and with this money the implementation of social programs (and birth rates), the development of science, including military, and for this the strengthening of our positions in the Middle East, presence in various international organizations, tough defending of our interests where we can definitely win, information war in all directions, strengthening relations with our neighbors. For the time being, Putin is doing all this. As soon as all these achievements gain a "critical mass su "- then all sorts of mongrel shut up."
    Before implementing your program, ask if your friends Kfir Mikhelson, Alexey Mordashov, Vladimir Lisin, Gennady Timchenko, Alisher Usmanov, Vagit Alekperov, Moisha Fridman, Vladimir Potanin, Andrey Melnichenko, Avigdor Vekselberg agree with her.
    Because without their visa, you yourself understand ...
  48. ASDik37
    ASDik37 8 December 2017 13: 18 New
    +1
    Under a neutral sky, under a neutral flag ... A crazy song, but for some reason it was remembered in connection with this whole situation:
  49. Radikal
    Radikal 8 December 2017 13: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Sovetskiy
    Quote: rkkasa 81
    In general, foreign specialists (trainers, service technicians, doctors, masseurs) were in everyone! our teams, except for hockey. And the presence of each such mercenary means the absence of his athlete or specialist.

    Well, this is the official policy of our "effective managers" in power, which consists in a short slogan: "To hell with domestic personnel, industry, etc.! We will buy everything abroad!"
    Chicks are worthless Petrov!
    Only now, Peter I brought specialists and technology to backward and illiterate Russia, and the current "chicks" have destroyed a competent and industrialized country, to the state of Peter's times.

    I would say chicks Langley ... sad
  50. turbris
    turbris 8 December 2017 13: 20 New
    +3
    The author is certainly cool! It is necessary to boycott everything and be "great" like the USSR. He just misses one point - there are real, proven cases of doping by our athletes, what should you do with this? The fact that Rodchenkov tricked and then merged is a successful operation by interested countries on the eve of the elections - this is also a fact. The fact that the Olympic movement has long turned into a commercial one is also a fact, but did we participate in it? The fact that it is necessary to restore order in our sport is the conclusion that must be drawn so as not to disgrace in the future. We remove doping from our sport - then we will become “great” again, and most importantly, we will work actively at the IOC to prohibit others from using doping, then we will gain respect all over the world. In the meantime, there is nothing to nod at the mirror, since the mug is crooked ...
    1. Curious
      Curious 8 December 2017 13: 37 New
      +1
      Voice in the wilderness.
      1. Kachesgm
        Kachesgm 8 December 2017 14: 50 New
        +1
        Maybe not the only one. It just infuriates the duplicity of the IOC - some officially use dope, while others have all the grave consequences. Yes, the IOC is catching athletes and other countries, but no one thought of depriving the entire team of the opportunity to participate in the games.
        Many also do not understand that now, for calling for a boycott of the Olympiad, it automatically deprives the country of the opportunity to participate in it for the next 8 years. The IOC secured itself after the boycotts of the USA and the USSR of the 80s. Someone will say - well, let us not be there for 8 years,
        but then sport in our country will not remain at all. All will leave for other countries, national teams ...

        Sometimes I don’t understand how having an arsenal sufficient to destroy a planet so you can humiliate yourself in front of everyone ... Although everyone may already be fed there ...
        1. lBEARl
          lBEARl 8 December 2017 15: 23 New
          +2
          Russia and OCD, and so removed from the OI. How can you boycott what you were not allowed to?
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2017 15: 40 New
      0
      Quote: turbris
      there are real, proven cases of doping by our athletes, what to do with this?

      keyword CASES, that is, it is not a practice and it is in all countries
      Quote: turbris
      We remove doping from our sport - then we will become “great” again

      what's the connection? !!!
      Isnibaev was caught doping? !!!
      NO, but she was also not allowed to attend the Olympics
      Quote: turbris
      and most importantly, to work actively in the IOC to prohibit others from using doping, then we will gain respect around the world.

      and who will let us go there? !!!!