Polish Deputy Minister of Defense did not accept the price of American Patriot

The price at which the United States agreed to sell the Patriot air defense and missile defense system (air defense / missile defense) to the Patriot (in the PAC-3 + configuration) is unacceptable for Warsaw, which will seek a downward revision, the deputy minister of the national defense of Poland Bartosh Kovnatsky.

In November, the DSCA Defense Security and Cooperation Agency announced that the US administration had decided to sell Patriot batteries to Poland for a total of $ 10,5 billion (ZNUMX billion zlotys). Warsaw, as the weekly noted, is ready to spend no more than 37 billion zlotys (about $ 30 billion) for these systems.

The invoice issued by Washington, as Kovnatsky indicated in his interview, was an unpleasant surprise for Poland.

This price was a surprise for us. This price is really unacceptable for us, even taking into account the significant financial resources allocated by us for the technical modernization of the Polish Armed Forces. We simply cannot afford to spend so much money on the purchase of two batteries [in the configuration of the PAC-3 +] and missiles

- declared Kovnatsky

This deal, as previously reported by DSCA, also provides for the acquisition by Poland of four AN / MPQ-65 radar stations, four fire control points, 16 launchers and 208 anti-aircraft guided missiles to the Patriot PAC-3 + system.

Bargaining over the price for this “package” is, according to the weekly, one of the goals of Kovnatsky’s visit to the US capital this week, TASS reports

Comments

[Sail]

They still bargain ... The noblemen completely lost their hands.

[Hunter]

The invoice issued by Washington, as Kovnatsky indicated in his interview, was an unpleasant surprise for Poland.

Well done Trump! He fulfills his promise ... Pay gentlemen, in full! The freebie is over ..
"Russian threat!" Now the rates have increased .... hehe heh Life is getting more expensive gentlemen!

[Going]

This is the inclusion of a milking machine.

[pvv113]

Victor, this is not an inclusion, milking began a long time ago. And now, according to plan - an increase in milk yield

[Going]

So you can ruin a cow.

[pvv113]

Find another, not great loss

[Going]

So you can ruin the whole herd, and then what?

[pvv113]

Do states think about the future?

[Going]

We live on one planet, therefore it concerns us too.

[pvv113]

If the Yankees had thought, then they would not have made so many “friends” around the world

[Going]

Why should they think if they only want and do not mind them.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: pvv113

Do states think about the future?

Volodya, they are not even able to wipe the ass. What kind of future can we talk about ???

[pvv113]

Here I am about it - they live today! Gene pool however

[bouncyhunter]

Volodya, I will not give a link to a video on degeneration ...

[Going]

Eh, if we didn’t give a damn about psheks, maybe we would have fussed. Pasha, good evening!

[bouncyhunter]

And someone will give us a say, Vitya?

[Going]

Quote: bouncyhunter

And someone will give us a say, Vitya?

Should we ask? empty pans themselves save their ass, we no longer intend to help out.

[Zoldat_A]

Paul! Strongly welcome after a two-week ban. And after this ban I’m afraid not only to write “ass”, but in general I’m afraid to write something ... Suddenly they will again find sedition and be banned for six months?

[bouncyhunter]

Alex, welcome, my friend! Did you take a steam bath in a bathhouse?

[210ox]

Vladimir I believe that the honors go too far .. And in the end they will buy everything that they will be told and at what price .. A person watching the east of Europe cannot conduct an independent policy ..

Quote: pvv113

Victor, this is not an inclusion, milking began a long time ago. And now, according to plan - an increase in milk yield

[pvv113]

Maybe they want to play independence? Naturally within the patience of the owner

[Going]

They may want it, but who will allow them.

[pvv113]

Why not? Like a cat - let go of the mouse a step, and then again catches, and so several times until it eats

[Going]

This is not a US method, they crush right away.

[pvv113]

They crush open opponents, and with slaves they play democracy

[Going]

I would say gee, there democracy has ended completely.

[tol100v]

Quote: pvv113

And now, according to plan - an increase in milk yield

More like a forced donation to the last drop of money!

[pvv113]

No matter how you call it, and the states, like real ghouls, will squeeze their

[Going]

Vladimir, their time passes, the squeezer has lost weight.

[pvv113]

So I'm waiting for their hooves to stretch

[Going]

I need to help them.

[pvv113]

With great pleasure!

[figwam]

The Poles got into reality. I’m used to getting everything for free from the USSR.

[AID.S]

Quote: Going

This is the inclusion of a milking machine.

Or Sausage.

[vladimirvn]

Trump should unfasten us a percentage.

[CAT BAIYUN]

Trump should unfasten us a percentage

Effective offer. There is even nothing to argue with!

[pvv113]

Quote: Hunter

"Russian threat!" Now the rates have increased.

Indeed, the Russian threat is a very expensive pleasure

[Going]

Maybe we ask the US commission.

[pvv113]

Indeed, which year have they been using the brand for free

[Going]

Well, let's agree to S.P. but 51% is ours

[pvv113]

52%, I have to pay off my debts

[Going]

I also want to I agree to half a percent.

[pvv113]

Frets, hands on!

[Going]

Not interested, but bargaining?

[pvv113]

So it’s kind of bargained - I took a percentage, you are 0,5, but I’m not going to become impudent, especially with my comrades

[IL-18]

And the frets that went hand in hand are aunts or cars?

[pvv113]

This is how we bargain

[Incvizitor]

The robbery of Syria has fallen, you have to collect from the vassals.

[Juborg]

Let them pay! They were so eager for friendship on equal terms with the USA, get it!

[Titsen]

Quote: Hunter

"Russian threat!" now raised rates ....

Hedgehogs pricked, cried, but ate cacti ..

[poquello]

Quote: Segel

They still bargain ... The noblemen completely lost their hands.

the Poles do not understand how it was fucked and they also take money

[Going]

Quote: Segel

They still bargain ... The noblemen completely lost their hands.

Nothing will be corrected now and they will be indicated that this price is not final and it will increase.

[Chertt]

Quote: Segel

Noblemen completely lost hands

Even the Poles realized that Patriot crap on sticks, and that mattresses should pay extra for it

[Going]

Their specialists managed to explain this to politicians.

[siberalt]

Dear "patriots," they say. But the United States has its own principle - take it or pay.

[Sail]

Bury И pay.

[dSK]

These are flowers, berries of ingratitude for the Polish "elite"still to come.

[Primoos]

Quote: Segel

They still bargain ... The noblemen completely lost their hands.

For favor pin.dostana must be paid! What do you want !? Free to kiss the owner's pen?

[askme]

This price is nothing compared to the price that the Psheks will pay for their hatred.) Everything in this world has to be paid for when it comes to base instincts. Do you want to spoil - for this a special price))) Everything is logical)

[dSK]

Quote: askme

special price

Hello Ilya! The bell of 2010 the Polish "elite" did not hear - "Do not avenge yourself, but give place to the wrath of God. For it is written: Vengeance is mine, Az will repay, saith the Lord."

[poquello]

Gee, gee, they would be free.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: poquello

Gee, gee, they would be free.

Sir, "For Free" - only in a mousetrap, and even then cheese, not "patriots" ...
But the lords have the opportunity to "return" part of the amount for Amer stale goods. “How?” You ask.
Raise the cost of rent under amerskoy missile defense ... But they do not give up on this ... They will whimper and beg for "discounts" out of habit. Interesting: will they wait for their "Black Friday" or not?
IMHO.

[Chertt]

"The Deputy Minister of Defense of Poland did not like the price of the American Patriot"
This is the mildest formulation that Patriot a piece of feces

[Teberii]

Friendship comes out a little expensive. That's what you need.

[Going]

This is not friendship, it was a proposal for a "wedding", they agreed, and now the US has demanded to present a dowry.

[Incvizitor]

Usually a girl is paid for such a “friendship”, and then it turns out they use it and she pays.

[Going]

And where is the dowry, so everything is fine.

[Equalized]

For that kind of money, you can also defraud the SAM systems yourself. It’s just how much the battery costs for an X. ALK.2 battery.
They can cooperate with dill by technology, they themselves have pennies.
They wanted to do something like R-27-based air defense systems in cooperation. With such amounts, something can be harder to issue.

Although it will be easiest to purchase a finished product (С-300В / С-300ПМУ (400) in the Russian Federation and not steam it, but for obvious reasons this will not happen

[n0001]

This Patriot system is not yet available. The system must be equipped with a modular IBCS command system. Comprehensive radars. The system must integrate with other security subsystems.

[Incvizitor]

The lap snapped at the owner? Have you kicked for a long time?

[Going]

Now her curls will be corrected.

[vladimirvn]

They drank, ate, had fun, thought it was a tear.

[Black_PR]

Mongrel have no right to be indignant. Just wave and squeal.

[Alexander 3]

We defend ourselves and fear them is becoming more and more expensive.

[Going]

Do you think this is not casual?

[Alexander 3]

We are also adjusting the program and nomenclature of weapons, because the BZHRK was not postponed from a good life.

[Going]

Yes, but it seems to me that this is a pull away from the real process, “Barguzin” is not the most expensive pleasure, there is a hope that it is not.

[Alexander 3]

Correct in the direction of the most necessary. And there we have a lot of things: airplanes, missiles, submarines, etc.

[Going]

I think and I am sure that the actions are correct, enough for us to bow.

[Incvizitor]

Previously, one “poplar” was enough for all of them, but now one “yar”.

[CooL_SnipeR]

Why buy something that can’t bring anything down?

[Paranoid50]

Patriot batteries totaling $ 10,5 billion (37 billion zlotys). Warsaw, as the weekly noted, is ready to spend no more than 30 billion zlotys (about $ 7,5 billion) for these systems.

Normally psheks come in - more than 25% want to "drop". Yes, those are still hucksters ... Just did not take into account that hucksters behind the puddle are orders of magnitude tougher - they are unlikely to "drop" the price tag even up to nine billion. Moreover, the service is fastened. In general, do widzenia, kurwa.

[Dezinto]

Why do they need patriots? I just don't get it. Well, ok, from terrible Russia, (it used to be from Iran). But the experience of Japan shows that rockets above these "patriots" fly only on the road ... just like some sort of passage yard, even though there are these complexes even if they aren’t, the rockets snoop around without straining! )))))

[Going]

And that would be good for the owner.

[komradbuh]

Pay psheks not going anywhere

[Herculesic]

Then make the rockets themselves — a body made of apple peel, and fuel — apple juice!

[Felix]

Interestingly, but the Psheks also counted the losses from the preemptive strike?

[BLADFROST]

This Patriot is turned off, and then destroyed for one or two! And then, in the place of Poland, 20 Jerosim 100 years ahead! Morons, what do you think simpletons are sitting here in Russia !? You will die ALL in nuclear agony in the first minutes of an atomic war! Your heroes will sit in bunkers on islands somewhere in the Pacific!

[pvv113]

Going,
Does anyone mind, but then the Yankees are very nervous

[Going]

And our nerves are deep and far away.

[pvv113]

We - yes, but comrade Eun likes to tickle their nerves, but at the same time he strains himself

[pvv113]

bouncyhunter,
Pasha, you can see it like that.

[pvv113]

Going,
Well, to create the appearance of democracy ...

[polpot]

Well, it’s understandable, they all received free of charge from the USSR, but here they pay and they didn’t know such words from birth, they thought it was free for Vienna’s defense in the 17th century

[NF68]

Did the Poles really expect that the Americans would give them all this good stuff on the cheap?

[Old26]

Quote: DEZINTO

Why do they need patriots?

Well, at least in order to exchange obsolete Soviet systems for something newer. They have few options. French Aster-30 or American Patriots. What would you choose?

Quote: DEZINTO

But the experience of Japan shows that rockets above these "patriots" fly only on the road ... just like some sort of passage yard, even though there are these complexes even if they aren’t, the rockets snoop around without straining! )))))

Tell me, comrade! If you give a shotgun in your hands, the same Saigu. for example, can you shoot down at least the AN-24 flying at an altitude of, for example, 300 meters? Or would you prefer an anti-aircraft machine gun type ZPU caliber 14,5 mm for these purposes? That's the same with missiles over Japan. The ceiling of the Patriot missile defense modification is about 20-25 km. How can it be used to bring down a rocket flying at an altitude of 400 km? You don’t think that what is needed here is not a shotgun (Patriot), but an anti-aircraft machine gun installation (Standard SM-3 Block IIA). Nevertheless, it is worth distinguishing between complexes at least according to their performance characteristics and purpose. Don't you think that?

Quote: CooL_SnipeR

Why buy something that can’t bring anything down?

Even the modification "Patriot PAC-1" of the 1991 model at least knocked down the old Soviet SCADA. Why are you so sure that he can not bring down anything ?? Oh, I guess what the matter is. This is an American complex

[dvina71]

In the 90s, patriots shot down the skads not only bad .... but frankly ... they shot badly.
The same thing is happening now with the Saudis .. with the same skads.

[MadCat]

Quote: Old26

Even the modification "Patriot PAC-1" of the 1991 model at least knocked down the old Soviet SCADA. Why are you so sure that he can not bring down anything ?? Oh, I guess what the matter is. This is an American complex

do not be surprised at anything, here the billions sawn at the Vostochny or Zenit Arena space center do not bother anyone, this is how it is needed, but Poland’s budget overruns are very worrying, even more than their own

[faterdom]

You got used to it ... You’re not the police department (Warsaw Pact Organization), where the stupid big uncle paid for you. Here you will pay big uncle.
This is a significant difference. Yes, and the country did not increase security, but rather the opposite.

[Nemesis]

And who said that the United States will not milk Poland ?! Poland USA and is needed as a consumable, in the form of cannon fodder and a cash cow

[Kent0001]

... well, yes, out-of-date systems are for such bugs .., but whether the Americans will lie they will throw off the price. Vassals must pay, and ALWAYS and MUCH.

[abc_alex]

I remember recently in a thread about Polish aviation the Poles were called dynamically developing solvent and practically prosperous in general. They even started a dispute over GDP. Well, here's a good example of you, that beautiful figures of GDP do not mean the availability of money in real life. Especially for the arms market. Especially for weapons made in the USA.
For reference, back in 2016, Poland was preparing to buy 8 (eight) Patriot batteries and dreamed of spending no more than $ 3 billion on everything about everything.

In this case, the "Polish Patriots" must be assembled on an individual project. Radars have 360 ​​degree visibility, completely different SkyCeptor missiles ...

[complete zero]

it is necessary .. poach still yepenyaysya .. and what to take with them traders in life

[Fitter65]

The invoice issued by Washington, as Kovnatsky indicated in his interview, was an unpleasant surprise for Poland.

Yes, this is not for you the USSR, which practically contained Poland, and the most interesting thing is that it should remain. And here are such best friends, and they demand money from strangers.

[aszzz888]

... or maybe even cry in a vest, the Poles ... or thought that the mericatos would sell installations cheaply? ...

[Leonid Har]

And here is Kovnatsky, if Matserevich is conducting a chorus about the “Russian threat”? Or Matserevich sings, poured, and instead of singing along, Kovnatsky spits? Really did not know the gentry that fairy tales about the “Russian threat” would cost them in the golden mountains? The United States is not the Soviet Union giving away its weapons to you.

[farik68]

Gentlemen of the Poles As far as I understand from what you read, no one asks overseas owners decided to sell these systems to you and they will make you buy them ......

[1536]

Circus arrange these Poles. The Americans forgot to ask how much it costs?

[Wolka]

demand determines the offer, the Poles refuse the deal, and the Yankees themselves will start to lower the price of their shooters, which today are not as good as they are trying to advertise, for example, this is a hit by the Hussites against the Saudis, the petriots openly slapped the Hussites racket ...

[Graz]

and I said so half a year ago, the Poles will not pull the price, and the Yankees will not throw off, there private companies are engaged, and not state factories, everyone needs profit

[ibn.shamai]

Nothing personal, just a business! For friends with cheating!

[signifera]

And you take the Russian, they are cheaper and closer to carry (the service is more convenient))))

[planetauuu.com]

Here recently, the Hussites from Yemen launched a Scud missile in the Saudi capital. The missile flew 610 miles, the warhead hit the airport. The Saudis of the time had a sea, they launched at least 4 Patriots. Missed all. Who cares about the details and who knows English - here is a link to an article from the New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/04/wo
rld / middleeast / saudi-missile-defense.html? smid = tw
-share & _r = 1

[Old26]

Quote: dvina71

In the 90s, patriots shot down the skads not only bad .... but frankly ... they shot badly.
The same thing is happening now with the Saudis .. with the same skads.

But they shot down? And as one comrade correctly said on one of the branches, maybe it’s not in the arms, but in the hands? The fact that the Saudis is unimportant (although we don’t know absolutely nothing about how much was launched by them, how much they brought down, the expense) may be due not to the “Pariot”, but to the squinting exploiters of it. I'm afraid to vang, but even the S-400 can show itself, let's say so shitty in the hands of the Saudis.

Quote: MadCat

Quote: Old26

Even the modification "Patriot PAC-1" of the 1991 model at least knocked down the old Soviet SCADA. Why are you so sure that he can not bring down anything ?? Oh, I guess what the matter is. This is an American complex

do not be surprised at anything, here the billions sawn at the Vostochny or Zenit Arena space center do not bother anyone, this is how it is needed, but Poland’s budget overruns are very worrying, even more than their own

I, comrade, are worried about Poland’s budget expenditures, for example, the water temperature in the La Plata river in Argentina. Well, that is absolutely nothing. They are soaked in twice as much. I’m talking about the fact that you don’t have to see everywhere only the political motive and say that the same “Patriot” will not be able to bring down anything (solely because it is American). Yes, the first modifications in the early 90s sucks coped, but coped. And when they start to write "they can't bring down anything" - It smacks of hatred. And hatred as a result ends badly. One sometimes wants to ask, but did our S-300 take part in any military operations at least once? Can we talk about him that he "knocks everything down."

[Berkut24]

And they say that Ukrainians and logs are different peoples. But no! Self-conceit and love for a freebie give out common genes.

[prior]

When bending, the Poles did not resist. And when they put it in, they squealed.
Get used to the proud Pshek to the rough overseas democracy!

[Alexander Abdrakhmanov]

The US military openly said that our air defense is a sieve, it will not protect anyone. They handed over to the Poles - the main contract was signed on the purchase, now they will pay for the exhaust pipes. So they need to, and America will be paid, not where they will not go, they themselves requested this trash. They will give them instructions - if a conflict wakes up, the Poles immediately jump under the table. Such instructions were received by Japan and South Korea, now do not be afraid to live in peace.

[Vasyan1971]

"... We just can't afford to spend so much money on two batteries [in the PAC-3 + configuration] and missiles
- said Kovnatsky. "
And have to. In the name of the highest interests of Democracy!