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Do heroes need a great country?

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Speaking in a previous article about the existence of Ukrainian participants in the ATO, even though some expressed the opinion that the material “smacks”, but the main message was the same: we lost the information war with a crash. And today we have on the other side those we wrote about. Young veterans, self-righteous and caressed by the state.


Do heroes need a great country?


In general, we don’t give a damn about ukrovoinov, even if they give gold panties to Poroshenko. The fact is that patriotism, supported by privileges and thanks, is doing its job.

Yes, of course, somewhere in the bus someone got in the face. We admit. We agree with the reader’s opinion that any route-maker organically and sincerely hates free-wheeling beneficiaries. This is normal. The point is not that. And not even in a fairly large number of normally-minded people in Ukraine.

The bottom line is that the army, which sees the Russian enemy, is. Young, trained, past war. Patriots of Ukraine. And it is not treated and does not outbid. No, it is treated, of course. The bullet.

Here the approach is important. And, unfortunately, the approach in Ukraine is absolutely correct. Clear. They have an enemy, and there are heroes who are fighting with this enemy.

And we have? How about this?

Yes, everything is fine with us. Simply no. Neither there nor there not. Heroes simply do not, because they are not there.

So it is in our country.

How many of our soldiers and officers were in "ikhtamnetah"? In Soviet times, in modern times? This is not only about Ukraine. It is about Yemen, Africa wholesale, Abkhazia, Syria. In Crimea, an excellent and bloodless work was recognized a year later, when everything was settled down.

A strange policy towards a soldier, isn't it? Officially you were not there, and in your documents about it is nothing. And in order for you to remember this, get a non-disclosure subscription.

Isn't it strange? The murderers of the civilian population from the terbats and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who have so weakly robbed the population, and the members of their families, are provided with the state. At the level of the law. Good or not - we do not care. For the veterans of the ATO somehow the soul does not hurt at all.

But for their insulting. Kiev regime recognizes its, and our state?

Our, at best, also do not care.

And maybe worse, by the way. We give for comparison of personality. Konstantin Grishin and Yury Budanov.

First everyone knows how Semyon Semenchenko from the Donbass Terbat. A native of Sevastopol, convicted, sitting, forged biography and documents. Cases of Semenchenko are known to everyone, it’s not worth messing up the page.

But what is the result? Despite the fact that S. Semenchenko is a pseudonym, he is a Rada deputy and an order bearer.

And Colonel Yuri Budanov. Also, by the way, from the same edges. Khartsyzk Donetsk region. Thanked him in full. Three contusions left, the rest was deprived. And titles, and awards. And thrown as an atoning sacrifice under the bullets of a Chechen terrorist.

Feel, as they say, the difference ...

Bad example, some will say? No problem. Fortunately, we have “ichtamnets” on the site above the roof. In assortment. For example, a fighter who served a year in Abkhazia. Only not when the heroic procession was, in 2008, and when the camps with wool warehouses were galloping along the mountains. 2006-2007 years. Lucky, by the way, came back only with holes in the body.

And, for example, his colleague in zinc is back. And with the conclusion from the Ministry of Defense that died in an accident at the test site near Pskov.

There is a comrade who was doing something useful in Yemen. Yes, and the "Syrians" the number of tens already measured in the near environment. The latter, however, even paid the money. Already a plus.

I especially want to say about the latter.

Yes, our soldiers and officers are risking their lives for the freedom of the Syrian people. We all, and especially the leadership, just sleep and see how a peaceful Syrian farmer takes care of his melon or vineyard. Funny, isn't it?

There is only one category of our citizens who sleep and see something in Syria. Those who own "national wealth" in the form of oil, gas and other minerals for them. This is just to someone who wants colic to take over the Syrian transit pipe, the Syrian fields, the Syrian processing plants.

But they sit in nice buildings with all the comforts. Unlike those who produce their wealth.

But if we hear about the getters, then in the obituaries. And even then, not about all.

Ukraine was mentioned at the beginning of the article. When we began to study the "insides" of the new Ukraine, we unwittingly compared the situation here and there. In the previous article the subject of warrior education was discussed. The topic that we traditionally silenced. Why bring up if we are warriors genetically? It is enough to shout: "For the Motherland! For Stalin!" and the soldiers in unison ...

Honestly, sorry for our soldiers and officers. It is when you start to compare. Okay, first Chechen. It was nonsense, bordering on meanness on the part of our government. There is no other way to call it. But then?

Why, if our fighters who are fighting for a just cause, suddenly become "theirs" and almost mercenaries? Quietly so fighting "for state interests." Without publicity, without anything. With a nondisclosure subscription and a candy in the form of a transfer from a transit account in the left bank.

Inevitably, you start to wonder if these “state interests” are clean? And envy the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They are there. Whether they love them or not in Ukraine is a third thing, and absolutely not ours.

Our business is here in Russia. "Ichtamnets", closed awards and everything else.

And now the question is: where can the role models for the younger generations come from? Here in Ukraine they are. Good, bad, righteous, or executioners - but there is. In the squares, alleys of glory, in schools. About them in the classroom tell, if that. In compulsion.

And we have? And we have "ihtamnet." There are no heroes, no state ideology, no corresponding upbringing and education. There is nothing.

Yes, 75 years ago, our ancestors provided us with so many heroes that enough for ten generations.

The problem is that for those born today, this is more than an empty sound, unfortunately. The boy Kolya showed it perfectly.

Perhaps the great country does not need all that. And so come down.
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  1. Dart2027
    Dart2027 9 December 2017 14: 50 New
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    In general, the truth. The heroes of the past are the heroes of the past, they should not be forgotten, but the present must be thought of.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 9 December 2017 15: 29 New
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      And the conversation is about the Heroes of Our Time .. Often forgotten .. Let's say in the same Donbass (I mean our guys there) ..
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 9 December 2017 15: 36 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        And the conversation is about the Heroes of Our Time ..

        List of Heroes of the Russian Federation for the last two years:
        2016 (19 people)
        Artemiev Oleg Germanovich (February 15, 2016)
        Baykulov Vadim Vladimirovich (March 17, 2016)
        Bulgakov Dmitry Vitalievich (May 3, 2016)
        Gerasimov Valery Vasilievich (May 3, 2016)
        Gorshkov Anatoly Petrovich (September 6, 2016)
        Dvornikov Alexander Vladimirovich (March 17, 2016)
        Dyachenko Andrey Alexandrovich (March 17, 2016)
        Zhuravlev Alexander Alexandrovich (2016)
        Karlov Andrey Gennadievich (December 21, 2016)
        Maryenkov Igor Valerievich (2016)
        Misurkin Alexander Alexandrovich (August 26, 2016)
        Novokhatsky Sergey Vladimirovich (September 2016)
        Nurbagandov Magomed Nurbagandovich (September 21, 2016)
        Potashov Valery Serpionovich (October 3, 2016)
        Prokhorenko Alexander Alexandrovich (April 11, 2016)
        Romanov Victor Mikhailovich (March 17, 2016)
        Sergun Igor Dmitrievich (March 3, 2016)
        Serova Elena Olegovna (February 15, 2016)
        Khabibullin Ryafagat Makhmutovich (July 28, 2016)
        2017 (5 people)
        Belyaev Mikhail Alexandrovich (March 20, 2017)
        Bogomolov Alexander Stanislavovich (March 1, 2017)
        Korobov Igor Valentinovich (00.00.2017)
        Ovchinin Alexey Nikolaevich (September 10, 2017)
        Rybnikov Sergey Viktorovich (July 12, 2017)

        How much do we know about them? But for each of them you can remove the blockbuster ... The Ministry of Culture - to shoot at full strength !!!
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 9 December 2017 15: 47 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          How much do we know about them? But for each of them you can remove the blockbuster ... The Ministry of Culture - to shoot at full strength !!!

          That's right, shoot the Ministry of Culture ... and on this plot, remove the blockbuster
          1. dSK
            dSK 9 December 2017 16: 51 New
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            Eternal Glory to the Heroes of Russia, alive and departed! soldier
            Earth bow to them. hi
          2. AK-62
            AK-62 9 December 2017 19: 06 New
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            ... to shoot, neher, the entire government, all officials, the leadership of Gazprom, Rusnano, Rostec, Rosneft, pah ... tormented to list
            1. AK-62
              AK-62 9 December 2017 19: 07 New
              +6
              ... and tomorrow their children will take their places
              1. kenig1
                kenig1 10 December 2017 07: 28 New
                +1
                You will take, and grace will come immediately))).
                1. cast iron
                  cast iron 12 December 2017 02: 36 New
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                  Stalin was the son of a shoemaker with an unfinished church education. This is by the way that only the sons and daughters of the capitalists from the Kremlin have the “right” to lead the country with their hands.
            2. Mih1974
              Mih1974 9 December 2017 22: 56 New
              +5
              You didn’t come right - please list who does NOT need to be shot. You even have enough fingers of one hand am
        2. verner1967
          verner1967 9 December 2017 17: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Boris55
          Ministry of Culture - shoot at full strength !!!

          only first, the native MO, in which "ichtamnet"
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 9 December 2017 17: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: verner1967
            only first, the native MO, in which "ichtamnet"

            If you find Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Malinovsky, Tolbukhin and a couple of dozens of names, I allow.
        3. Alber
          Alber 9 December 2017 19: 44 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          for each of them, you can remove the blockbuster ... Ministry of Culture - shoot at full strength !!!


          It’s time for these lip-slaps! Like the Foreign Ministry
    2. creak
      creak 9 December 2017 16: 50 New
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      Quote: Dart2027
      but we must also think about the present.

      Right now, everyone will quit and start thinking ... Well, well ... Of my fellow veterans who have noted in various "undeclared wars", not one has ever even received postcards from the military enlistment office or from anywhere else, not to mention what or another ... Probably still not figured out how to make us happy ....
      Maybe all the steam goes into the whistles i.e. to loud speeches and slogans from the stands by the next memorable date, and the hands of those in power do not reach the rest of those in power. They need to educate the younger generation in the spirit of patriotism and love for the motherland, and here these veterans get confused with their problems - they distract from such a noble cause ...
    3. Buffet
      Buffet 9 December 2017 23: 48 New
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      The problem is that for those born today, this is more than an empty sound, unfortunately. The boy Kolya showed it perfectly.
      It’s not necessary to row all under one comb.
      1. dSK
        dSK 10 December 2017 06: 08 New
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        Hello Roman!
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        It’s not necessary to row all under one comb.

        A 15-year-old skater from Russia won the adult Grand Prix. Alina Zagitova from Izhevsk won for the first time in the adult final of the World Grand Prix. Recall that it took place these days in Japan. In second place was another Russian athlete - Maria Sotnikova. She took the “silver”, gaining 216,28 points. The previous winner of the two previous Grand Prix, Evgeny Medvedev, could not come to this tournament. She won the right to speak in the finals in a fair fight. However, serious injury prevented her plans. (The first Russian TV channel "Tsargrad" 23: 04., 09.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 10 December 2017 14: 11 New
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      I remember, in the early 80s, we have one teacher, in order to instill a sense of patriotism, drove children to the grave of an Afghan hero. So, the KGB and the CPSU city committee raised such a squeal! belay But they decided not to fire, so that it would not get worse and the “rumors” did not spread.
      Ukrainians occupation of the Crimea and the war with Russia in the Donbass are driven into the head tightly. Here Roman is right. We have completely lost the information war. Business, and nothing personal.
      1. dSK
        dSK 10 December 2017 18: 26 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        Information war

        Hello Oleg! Losing a battle does not mean losing a war. Perhaps we still did not have a new “Stalingdad”. hi
        1. frols
          frols 10 December 2017 20: 00 New
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          And are you going to wait a long time? Daugavpils November 2017. To the border with Russia a little more than 100 km. Leopard like?
          And they reached us.
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 12 December 2017 02: 37 New
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            Oh, how scary! Cardboard German nedotank was taken. He has a cheat mode - towers throws no worse than the T-72))))))
    5. nickname7
      nickname7 12 December 2017 19: 16 New
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      Because it is necessary to carry out such a thing as denazification, but in Russia, no one knows, not even the government, does not know what it is. Denazification was carried out in Germany after the war. The entire adult population was passed through commissions to identify the degree of infection with the ideas of dominance of the Aryan nation. Next, all Germans infected with the harmful ideas of Nazism. it was forbidden to teach, write and work in the media. Denazification is a very serious approach, reminiscent of the fight against infectious infectious diseases. Only about a hundred points. For example, according to the rules of denazification, a Russian businessman who financed a film about ATO should be forbidden to make films and engage in public activities, and his company should be liquidated. This is the problem that no one knows about it, and then they start to rush about, this, that this.


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  2. solzh
    solzh 9 December 2017 14: 50 New
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    Previously, Russia had two troubles, but now two more have been added: state ideology (its absence), education.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 9 December 2017 15: 27 New
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      And also the state socio-political system .. With your permission I’ll add ..
      Quote: solzh
      Previously, Russia had two troubles, but now two more have been added: state ideology (its absence), education.
      1. Sofa General
        Sofa General 9 December 2017 22: 53 New
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        In fact, this is not so ...
        Ideology is adapted to the political system.
        And what can we expect state building in Russia?
        Over in Europe - tolerance and consumption. Those. promiscuity in the behavior of the individual and the exaltation of his "freedom". This is not ours ...
        America (USA) - USA Uber Ales ...
        Britts - rule Britain by the seas (c) words from a song, but nonetheless ..
        And what does the Russian Federation offer as an ideology? There is no money, but are you holding on? Go to business? Although, now. how those who still remember the USSR will naturally die, introduce slavery ... And there is already an ideology ... It is under the modern slave system ... It’s called KhPP
        1. Victor Red
          Victor Red 10 December 2017 23: 39 New
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          Quote: Sofa General

          And what can we expect state building in Russia?

          Unity. A unity that is "uber ales."
  3. g1v2
    g1v2 9 December 2017 14: 55 New
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    The country has interests. There is an army to support them. In the army are those who are willing to risk their lives. Someone for the country, someone for the idea, someone for the salary. When you sign a contract, you must be aware that you can be sent to where you can die. If you are not ready for this, then what .... did you forget in the army? am
    As for the high school students, for some reason they are not very happy with the Ukrainian state care. Especially those who were not officially registered in 2014 and came home crippled or in zinc. For some reason, I have not heard a single video where the Athos would tell how the state took care of them. Show, it will be interesting to see. request
    And about patriotism. In 2015, I trained a group of interns from Kiev. Everyone is sure that they are at war with the Russian Federation, BUT WITH THIS EVERYONE ARRIVED FOR AN EXCHANGE IN RUSSIA AND ARE READY TO WORK IN THE RUSSIAN COMPANY. In the same way, high school students quietly go to work in Russia. And for them it’s normal. They earn money, as in atoms. This is the mentality of the frontier. Today you are with the Poles against the Russians, tomorrow with the Russians against the Turks, and the day after tomorrow with the Turks against the Poles. All these “patriots”, in which case, will be repainted by one or two. Well, another failure of the draft shows that those who want to fight for free already with Gulkin x ... hi
    1. Smog
      Smog 9 December 2017 15: 04 New
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      Quote: g1v2
      The country has interests

      At the country? Or her SERVANT!
      Quote: g1v2
      There is an army to support them.

      And whose interests are provided by the army. Country or her servant?
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 9 December 2017 15: 32 New
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        Okay, the moderator, I’ll answer once. Where do you think Russia has the highest standard of living? Probably in Moscow and St. Petersburg? Right? And why? Because local officials and businessmen are fighting for the happiness of hard workers? It is doubtful. Any businessman pays as much as people are willing to work for him. So why is there the highest standard of living? And simply because these are the most developed regions of the country where money, resources, and, most importantly, people flock. It has good infrastructure, there is a lot of work and low unemployment, there are chances to move forward.
        So at a higher level the same chip. Our task is that in the same way cash, resource and other flows flow through the Russian Federation. AND THEN THE LIFE LEVEL WILL BE INCREASED AUTOMATICALLY. Without any wringing of hands about the unfortunate fate of state employees and some force majeure. In my opinion, this is clearly visible to any uninfected person on the example of the last 15 years. I remember the times when professors collected bottles and openly offered to buy Totosh in the market. All this is far in the past. Because someone was fighting for the rights of a simple person? Or simply because the general standard of living in the country has increased? Why is the standard of living in the United States higher than ours? Because local elites are so concerned about how a hard worker from the "rust belt" lives? Seriously? So, in order for cash and other flows to go through the United States, working for the American economy and raising the local standard of living, there is the most expensive army and navy. Gunboat diplomacy has not gone away. And these methods must be carefully copied. And do not be shy to use the army to ensure the interests of the country - both in terms of security and economic. hi
        1. Smog
          Smog 9 December 2017 16: 58 New
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          Quote: g1v2
          Okay, the moderator

          That has never been! Well, this wrestler
          Quote: g1v2
          I’ll answer once.

          Well, if in scrap, that's what you need. Oh, benefactor.
          Well, about the developed infrastructure in a separate state under the name of Moscow and St. Petersburg, yes. True, 300 meters from the house where I live the company is located. The owners are in Moscow, and here is the "daughter" registered here and people work for 12-15 tyrov per month. Since the infrastructure is not developed here and nobody is trying to develop it.
          And let me ask a question - where does the main profit go? AND? As I understand it, a city with a highly developed INFRASTRUCTURE and low unemployment. Well, yes, where there are chances to advance, though not those who go there for seasonal work from us. And no need to give a lecture on economics. I can do it myself if I wish.
          Quote: g1v2
          And do not be shy to use the army to ensure the interests of the country - both in terms of security and economic

          In matters of geopolitics - yes, no need to be shy. And the rest? Do our country’s interests often coincide with those of the elite? One won from the SF in France with a bag of money caught.
          Also probably the strategic interests of the country went to protect.?
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 9 December 2017 17: 27 New
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            The interests of the country and the interests of the NATIONAL elite are always closely related. And contrary to the interests of transnational elites. Therefore, whether you want it or not, only your own tough and strong national elite, but controlled by the state, can protect the country from transnational elites or other national elites. It is this elite that will fight with competitors to ensure that resources and money flow in the Russian Federation. IT IS NOT BECAUSE IT WANTS TO BE SOMETIMED TO BE BENEFITED BY SOMETHING, BECAUSE BECAUSE OF STUPIDY WANTS TO BE RICHER AND MUCH INFLUENCE IN THE WORLD. And accordingly, the state in their control will become more influential. And the country will be seriously richer. An example is the Anglo-Saxon elites. request Plus, GDP openly tells large businessmen that only their own country can protect them. That abroad, they will be taken away everything, if that. And whether the state protects them depends on the degree of loyalty to this state and the behavior of these comrades in relation to society. request
            Socialism left with the USSR. And in the coming decades will not return. WHAT THE MARIES WOULD NOT BE FOOD BY SOME COMRADES ON THIS ISSUE. Our state is capitalist and we will have to live according to capitalist laws. Like it or not. request This is neither bad nor good. Germany and the USA rose precisely under capitalism. It’s worth it and we should start developing our country without wringing our hands and moaning. hi
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 9 December 2017 17: 41 New
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              Quote: g1v2
              IT IS NOT BECAUSE IT WANTS TO BE SOMETIMED TO BE BENEFITED BY SOMETHING, BECAUSE BECAUSE OF STUPIDY WANTS TO BE RICHER AND MUCH INFLUENCE IN THE WORLD. And accordingly, the state in their control will become more influential. And the country will be seriously richer.

              And there is.
            2. Smog
              Smog 9 December 2017 17: 44 New
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              Quote: g1v2
              it is worth us to take up the development of our country without wringing our hands and moaning.

              And who is moaning? May be you? And no slogans needed. I have heard enough of them for my rather long life. Both communist and democratic! In the first year he handed over the history of the CPSU, and in the second year - a new economic policy, since the USSR was over. What time! So take a sober look at things and separate flies from cutlets.
              Quote: g1v2
              Therefore, whether you want it or not, only your own tough and strong national elite, but controlled by the state, can protect the country from transnational elites or other national elites.

              I want to understand! I really want this national elite to defend the country. But where is she? In London and Poris? When they were told that the jokes were over and it was time to the hut? AND? So what? As the loot flowed offshore and flows away. True, the other day Titov said something for the London sitters. But, a living example is the “tovarisch” from the Federation Council as they say on the face. So no need to throw slogans. There are no walls. newspaper.
              Yes! And what are you doing with your principles? This is me about this one of your dictum
              Okay, the moderator, I’ll answer once.
              It’s not so good. Oh worthless .......
      2. AK-62
        AK-62 9 December 2017 19: 11 New
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        ... ah, what do you propose, specific ???
        1. Smog
          Smog 9 December 2017 20: 05 New
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          And what specific did my opponent suggest?
          Is that this-
          Our task is that in the same way cash, resource and other flows flow through the Russian Federation. AND THEN THE LIFE LEVEL WILL BE INCREASED AUTOMATICALLY.

          But I'm afraid the elite will not listen to him.
    2. verner1967
      verner1967 9 December 2017 17: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: g1v2
      As for the high school students, for some reason they are not very happy with the Ukrainian state care.

      Have you interviewed everyone? In general, the article is about our heroes, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, just as an example of the fact that their country remembers and knows their “heroes”, and in our country, by the way, it’s ichtham from the very beginning, although they lay down their lives for this country.
    3. saigon
      saigon 10 December 2017 09: 12 New
      +2
      You know, dear people in the army also serve upon conscription.
      So they can send conscripts, forgetting about your Wishlist directly.
      And then you find out that (you weren’t there and your mother I didn’t send you there) and you are immediately bursting with pride from involvement in great achievements.
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  5. assa67
    assa67 9 December 2017 15: 09 New
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    Quote: solzh
    state ideology (its absence), education.

    here I agree, with a patriotic education full of seams ....
    Quote: g1v2
    For some reason, I have not heard a single video where the Athos would tell how the state took care of them. Show, it will be interesting to see.

    Punishers were promised a lot, at the output such as the one mentioned in the article Semenchenko only live ... thieves and looters
    and the country needs heroes! and they are! ... remember "work, brothers," remember A. Prokhorenko ........ not for the "golden cowards" as the author put it, people served ....
  6. karakol
    karakol 9 December 2017 15: 14 New
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    raised a good topic. We have more than enough heroes. As you look at gentlemen with big stars and in pants with stripes. Rarely, one of them does not flaunt with the Hero badge. And the rest is correct. Young guys lay their lives and health for gentlemen from Rosneft, Gazprom and others like them.
    1. your1970
      your1970 9 December 2017 18: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: karakol
      As you look at gentlemen with big stars and in pants with stripes. Rarely, one of them does not flaunt with the Hero badge.
      - Brezhnev WHEN Heroic stars got ??? !!!!
      4 Gold Star medals of the Hero of the Soviet Union (18.12.1966, 18.12.1976, 19.12.1978, 18.12.1981)
      Sickle and Hammer Medal of the Hero of Socialist Labor (17.06.1961 )
      8 Orders of Lenin (2.12.1947, 18.12.1956, 17.06.1961, 18.12.1966, 2.10.1971, 18.12.1976, 19.12.1978, 18.12.1981)
      Order of Victory (No. 20 - 20.02.1978, the award was canceled by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR 21.09.1989)
      2 orders of the October Revolution (March 14, 1979; December 18, 1980)

      Quote: midshipman
      Two specialists became Heroes of Social. labor. And now they award artists. For what? I have the honor.
      -A then he was awarded Order of VictoryWas he an artist?
      and young people then laid down their lives for the country, only they don’t have a Hero during their lifetime - maximum ZBZ and KZ ...
    2. A.Kaledin
      A.Kaledin 9 December 2017 23: 01 New
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      In fairness, it is worth noting the fact that young children were driven to slaughter in Afghanistan. And here is how you deigned to say “gentlemen from Rosneft Gazprom and others like them” for some reason do not consider it possible to send 18-year-old conscripts to Syria ...
  7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 December 2017 15: 17 New
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    What can I say? I absolutely agree.
    It seems that the monument to Prokhorenko forked out only when the Italians put him theirs. Shame ...
  8. midshipman
    midshipman 9 December 2017 15: 28 New
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    Dear authors, on Thursday I was contacted from an OK by one research institute and asked to clarify in family terms what some scientists did in the development of this research institute. Explained were surprised. And in the 70s and 80s, these scientists created weapons and military equipment, which are still in service today. Our country is strong with these types of airborne weapons (the error of bombing from 5 thousand meters twenty meters; refueling of strata bombers in the air; withdrawal from an automatic machine for landing in difficult weather conditions, etc.) I am pleased to always see my Antenna AP-06M. This is my invention. This research institute was awarded 11 times State Prizes for the creation of new technology. Hundreds of specialists were awarded Government awards (I personally received them, it seems, nine times). Two specialists became Heroes of Social. labor. And now they award artists. For what? I have the honor.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 9 December 2017 18: 10 New
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      Quote: midshipman
      Two specialists became Heroes of Social. labor. And now they award artists. For what? I have the honor.

      Yuri Grigoryevich, for that they reward that they have no conscience. One Akhedzhakova what is it worth ...
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 December 2017 22: 20 New
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      Quote: midshipman
      And now they award artists. For what?

      As Patients said (true about our deputies, but they are also artists in their own way - they are still clowns)
      "Loop dog reward for you!"
    3. Bobrovsky
      Bobrovsky 13 December 2017 19: 03 New
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      What is this for? For decades, the actor came out and pronounced from the scene - it was served. And the other went out and said - served. And this is creativity!
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 9 December 2017 15: 31 New
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    From the heroes of the past
    Sometimes there are no names left.
    Those who have taken mortal combat
    They just became ground and grass ...
    Only their terrible valor
    Settled in the hearts of the living.
    This eternal fire,
    We bequeathed to us alone, we keep in our breasts.
    Look at my fighters -
    The whole world remembers them in the face.
    The battalion in the ranks froze ...
    I recognize old friends again.
    Though they are not twenty-five,
    The hard way they had to go
    These are those who rose in hostility as one,
    Those who took Berlin!
    There is no such family in Russia
    Where not remembered was his hero.
    And the eyes of the young guys
    From photos of wilted look ...
    This look, like a high court,
    For the guys that are growing now.
    And the boys can neither lie nor deceive,
    No way to turn off!
    The relevance of this song is not lost .. Remained ... There is ..
  10. sds87
    sds87 9 December 2017 15: 37 New
    13
    Wanted war slaves of posthumous memory? Will cost. Gazprom does not care how much and where our Russian warriors who defend their interests anywhere will die. Syria, Abkhazia ... The main thing is that the personal selfish interests of oil corporations are presented as state necessity. ISIS and other terrorists claim their interests, which means that a simple peasant from the heart of Russia will go to fight, defending their interests. And I don’t need la-la that Russia snooped into Syria only because of Assad’s request and there it fights exclusively against terrorists, protecting the territory of Russia from them from distant borders. While our men are fighting there, the terrorists have already infiltrated Russia and are preparing for sabotage and actions on our land. Stavropol can already be set as an example.
    1. turbris
      turbris 9 December 2017 21: 33 New
      +5
      What can I say? A worthy propagandist, he called our military slaves - 6 bloggers liked this. Then he turned to Gazprom and the oligarchs, scared the terrorists in Stavropol and is waiting for applause. They will not be, but personally, after this I wanted to wash my hands.
      1. sds87
        sds87 10 December 2017 17: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: turbris
        What can I say? A worthy propagandist, he called our military slaves - 6 bloggers liked this. Then he turned to Gazprom and the oligarchs, scared the terrorists in Stavropol and is waiting for applause. They will not be, but personally, after this I wanted to wash my hands.

        Wash your hands. Only I am not a propagandist and have never been. I write about what I see, read and listen to. And war slaves are not name calling. This is a statement. They fight for the interests of the boyars, who are disguised as the interests of the state. What interests does the Russian Federation have as a state in Syria, when zones of instability are created near by in border states and NATO creeps into us? Fighting terrorists on distant approaches? We are not the USA. Our resources are incomparably smaller. Nevertheless, they clung to this Syria, like a dog in a bone. We have capitalism here, which means the war machine is used where it can bring financial benefits. And the only benefit there is to prevent the Qatar-Turkish gas pipeline project from being realized, destroying Russia's monopoly on the export of Russian gas in this region.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 10 December 2017 17: 55 New
          +7
          Quote: sds87
          And the only benefit there is to prevent the project of the Qatar-Turkish gas pipeline from being destroyed, destroying Russia's monopoly on the export of Russian gas in this region

          Um ... but exactly "the only benefit" is?
          And the air base? And the extension of Tartus from rembaza to something like a port?
          But the Turks, who no longer know who to lean against, and it seems like they are leaning towards the Russian Federation?
          And what about Saudi and other Arabs, who have come very close to the Russian Federation?
          ---
          In general, IMHO, the question in Syria (and this is the "key" to the BV) stood like this: either there is the Russian Federation, or the States.
          Would you like the States to be there? wink
          1. sds87
            sds87 10 December 2017 19: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Would you like the States to be there?

            I would not want to see the United States at all. The "world policeman" has already got the whole world.
            The Turks have long shown everyone that they have a good relationship with someone not valued. As soon as there is an opportunity to bite - they bite. Arabs are still those "allies." As a result, everyone will be on the strong side. Whoever has money or valuable property for sale - they are “friends” with those.
            BV in the hands of the United States. We play other people's games there. Our main game is to be the main exporter of gas. Unfortunately, pipelines to different countries with gas flowing through them are ours.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 10 December 2017 19: 27 New
              +7
              Quote: sds87
              BV in the hands of the United States

              It was. Now - far from a fact.
              Quote: sds87
              We play other people's games there

              Why - to strangers?
              Quote: sds87
              Our main game is to be the main exporter of gas. Pipelines to different countries with gas flowing through them are our everything

              Well, not all ... but a significant part of the state budget, yes. Do not forget - that Gazprom, that Rossneft - state-owned companies, de facto.
              Quote: sds87
              As a result, everyone will be on the side of the strong

              In-in ... And power - it is not at all in the amount of money, ships and airplanes on them.
              That, IMHO, is quite successful and has demonstrated the Russian Federation in Syria.
              I repeat, IMHO yes
              1. sds87
                sds87 10 December 2017 20: 01 New
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                That, IMHO, is quite successful and has demonstrated the Russian Federation in Syria.
                I repeat, IMHO

                I respect someone else's personal opinion, but I do not always accept it. I learn mostly about Russian actions in Syria from Russian-language media (and any media is a means of propaganda), and nobody will tell me what and how there really is. In any case, the future will show (maybe) why we are there and what our role is in this "theater of operations".
                1. turbris
                  turbris 10 December 2017 22: 16 New
                  0
                  Probably it’s not possible for you to objectively assess the goals and objectives of Russia's actions in Syria and you have little information, and there are not enough skills - you are fixated on the pipe and the oligarchs. This is not scary, read the analytical reviews, the speech of the representatives of our General Staff - maybe that will become clear. Of course you can express your opinion, but it should not be based on gossip from the yellow press, otherwise it looks very weak.
                  1. sds87
                    sds87 11 December 2017 09: 19 New
                    0
                    turbrisI read various reviews. My opinion is really based on information from open sources. Russian and not so. The whole truth in them is not and will not be. You can choose any official reason. But behind it are true tasks that the media will not say
  11. Boris55
    Boris55 9 December 2017 15: 48 New
    +5
    Quote: A. Staver, R. Skomorokhov
    No heroes, no state ideology ...

    This is how not? We are implementing the ideology of the party that won the election - United Russia. The Communists would win - they would pursue the ideology of K. Marx.
    1. passerby5
      passerby5 10 December 2017 07: 30 New
      0
      the ideology of Edrin residents is the lack of ideology.
  12. turbris
    turbris 9 December 2017 15: 48 New
    +5
    But what is it-for only 25 years since the establishment of the title of Hero of the Russian Federation, the highest award of the country has received 637 military personnel. Of these, 76 continue to serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Among them are not only combatants, but also military personnel who have performed a heroic feat in peacetime. The country knows its heroes, erects monuments to them, calls them streets, squares and schools, but the authors don’t know this, they need to play "they are not there", don’t worry who should be, they know that they are there and these people get well-deserved rewards and benefits. Did the authors care about examples for the younger generation? And what an example the authors themselves are, here’s what they write: “There is only one category of our citizens who sleeps and sees something in Syria. Those who own the“ people's property ”in the form of oil, gas and others are very useful to them "It’s just who, just like a colic, wants to take possession of the Syrian transit pipe, Syrian fields, Syrian refineries." So our operation in Syria is to ensure this category of citizens? How would it be more culturally expressed - I don’t even know, I will not say anything, otherwise they will delete it again.
    1. Blue fox
      Blue fox 9 December 2017 17: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: turbris
      So our operation in Syria is to ensure this category of citizens?

      Of course not. To achieve geopolitical and geo-economic goals. In order to raise the prestige of Russia and not to drop the price of oil, and to utilize the terrorists along the way. Only, of course, YES, based on how the state money spent on the operation in Syria and returned to the oligarchy’s hands in the form of profit, which they somehow are not in a hurry to share, is spent.
      1. turbris
        turbris 9 December 2017 20: 24 New
        +2
        Well, at least you admitted that other very important tasks would turn out to be solved, but only how do you know how the funds are spent in Syria and what are the oligarchs in no hurry to share with the state? Where did the data come from? Again your personal fabrications?
        1. Blue fox
          Blue fox 11 December 2017 09: 17 New
          0
          And who makes a profit from the high oil price? About the "public domain" can not explain, boring. An example is the Gazprom sports center built in ..., in general, very far from the "navel of land" in Moscow. It’s great that it appeared in people, it’s not great that it costs like five sports centers easier, but no less functional. And why? And all because the building subsidiaries of Gazprom also owned by the oligarchs also need to feed.
          And I have the data from the nearest gas station, there, my dearest, if you are not aware of the gas prices at the entrance, they are indicated. These prices are very strange in a mining country. We have old refineries, well, well, after all, funds for their reconstruction long ago were allocated from the budget, and not by the owners of the oligarchs. It seems like they reconstructed something, but the price was growing, and it is growing when the oil price falls. Miracles are in the sieve.
    2. verner1967
      verner1967 9 December 2017 17: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: turbris
      who should know

      So society is not supposed to? And why, actually?
      Quote: turbris
      So our operation in Syria is to ensure this category of citizens?

      Are you surprised at this? All the fuss in Syria because of this transit pipe, though it was not us who started it, but it was our guys who eliminated the consequences.
      1. turbris
        turbris 9 December 2017 21: 21 New
        +5
        I don’t understand - are you really a civilian jacket? Do not understand that it is impossible to publish the special contingent fighting in Syria? What transit pipe did you find in Syria? And do not attach ourselves to our guys, if you do not understand why they fought in Syria.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 9 December 2017 22: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: turbris
          Do not understand that it is impossible to publish the special contingent fighting in Syria?
          I don’t understand ... and then, not all of them should be listed, but worthy ones, and at least not to forget about the others. Yes, and the special contingent is prisoners, conditionally convicted and arrested persons, as well as the special contingent according to GKO decree No. 1069ss of December 27, 1941 and order of the NKVD of the USSR No. 001735 of December 28, 1941 “On the creation of special camps for former soldiers of the Red Army who were held captive and surrounded by the enemy ”were called the former Red Army soldiers there who were held captive and surrounded by the enemy. Normally you have identified our fighters what and now
          Quote: turbris
          I don’t understand - are you really a civilian jacket?

          Quote: turbris
          What transit pipe did you find in Syria?

          that’s why it is not there, because our Assad is sitting there and the war is there for Assad to remove and lay the pipe.
          Quote: turbris
          And do not attach to our guys
          what are you hinting at? fool And I would like to join, but age is not the same.
          1. turbris
            turbris 9 December 2017 22: 49 New
            +2
            Yes, when there is nothing to answer, then they begin to get attached to the words, where does such knowledge about the special contingent come from? You yourself were or were you in the guard? And you have some kind of jokes on this subject that are very blue, is that why you are preoccupied with educating young people?
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 9 December 2017 22: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: turbris
              Yes, when there is nothing to answer

              I gave an exhaustive answer, if it does not reach, then my regrets ...
  13. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 9 December 2017 17: 14 New
    +8
    Until the arrogant official speaks to the disabled person of the conflict, I didn’t send you there, and most likely you don’t need to get rid of your homeland with a disabled allowance. Someone stubbornly redirects youth to the path of trepidation. Then we scratch turnips. - where did Kolya come from?
  14. asavchenko59
    asavchenko59 9 December 2017 17: 18 New
    +6
    All the media are discussing some kind of fagot (from Serebrennikov to Chubais).
    And our simple boys in uniform are unknown, although the homeland rests only on them
  15. Overlock
    Overlock 9 December 2017 17: 20 New
    +4
    We agree with the opinion of the reader that any minibus organically and sincerely hates free-lance beneficiaries. This is normal.
    -----------
    is it that children in winter from minibuses are thrown out in the cold? This is normal?
    -The conductor, who dropped the child off the bus in a 30-degree frost in Yekaterinburg, was promised to punish
    -In Vyborg, a 12-year-old girl was dropped off the bus, as the driver had no change.
  16. Allman
    Allman 9 December 2017 17: 23 New
    10
    The author of the article is unequivocally right. The situation is more than sad. One of the heroes of the Crimean spring is now behind bars in a fabricated case. This person is Gennady Basov, the leader of the Russian Block party (from the time of Ukraine). It was Basov who understood the whole Crimea for resistance to Ukrainian nationalists in 2013. It was he who created the first self-defense units. It was he who, while he was wanted by the SBU (Security Service of Ukraine), traveled to all regions of Ukraine, helping his comrades who remained in Ukraine and were subjected to repression. Russia came to Crimea. Do not convey what joy the Crimeans experienced! But no one imagined that together with Russia a complete mess will come to us. It is enough to say that Basov was sentenced by Judge Vasilenko, who, having already taken the oath of a Russian judge, wrote a petition to Ukraine to be transferred to work in the Kherson region. As a result, we have a patriot and a hero - in prison. The judge, who twice changed the oath, administers justice in the Russian Crimea. And the judicial system is arranged in such a way in the Russian Federation that Judge Vasilenko feels absolutely safe. Aw, Russia, do you need heroes?
    1. your1970
      your1970 9 December 2017 18: 47 New
      +4
      1) a little bit wrong
      "In the dissenting opinion of Judge Mudrova E.Yu. Of February 13, 2017, Basov’s case No. 145176 of September 29, 2015. qualifies as “illegally instituted,” and the fact of a bribe is recognized as unproven by both the investigation and the court (a copy is attached). The ruling of the cassation instance court of June 28, 2017 indicates “substantial violations in the consideration of the case”, decides to cancel the appeals ruling of the judicial collegium on criminal cases of the Sevastopol city court of February 13, 2017, and forwards the criminal case to a new appeal in a different composition of the court ( copy attached).
      This new review took place on July 28, 2017. The Court of Appeal issued a new ruling according to which Basov was acquitted of abuse of power and found not guilty of corruption crimes. However, Basova, contrary to common sense, was found guilty of attempted fraud against a person unfamiliar to him. "
      2) offers ALL former Ukrainian officials in Crimea - to dismiss?
      It is possible - but there is a nuance: who will work? There are no crowds wishing to go to work in Crimea on the horizon ....
  17. groks
    groks 9 December 2017 17: 27 New
    +5
    Unpleasant. But honestly. Thanks to the author.
    A friend skated urgent across Afghanistan at KAMAZ. About five years ago, in a military registration and enlistment office (!), A little girl suddenly asked him what troops it was in. He said - in the automobile, of course. An instant, clear answer - there are no such troops! And a look, like a movie Chekist. So crazy I never saw him.
    1. Cadet
      Cadet 9 December 2017 18: 51 New
      +5
      It happens that the girls were recruited to the military registration and enlistment offices, they sit and think how the BelAZ assigned to it looks like)))))))) the real story.
  18. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 9 December 2017 17: 32 New
    +3
    Ukraine is the pain with which I live. Much has connected me with her. People whom we have lost. They became enemies. It's like losing a sibling. Who is to blame for what grew up there, is that ...?
    I remember how they left for their army and toast "So that we do not have to look at each other through the scope." Who knows how it will turn out now.
  19. sabakina
    sabakina 9 December 2017 17: 47 New
    +4
    The problem is that for those born today, this is more than an empty sound, unfortunately. The boy Kolya showed it perfectly.

    There’s nothing to argue ....
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  21. nikvic46
    nikvic46 9 December 2017 17: 58 New
    +4
    I consider all the defenders of our country, who honestly performed their military duty during the Second World War, as heroes. No matter how much
    awards on the chest. Remember the song "Enemies burned their own hut" There are words "I went to you for four years, I conquered three powers ..
    And a medal for the city of Budapest shone on his chest. “Four years have passed since the war, and on our street every week
    defenders of the USSR were buried. Glory to all participants in the Great Patriotic War ..
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  23. brick
    brick 9 December 2017 18: 54 New
    +4
    And who is in our ministry of culture, are they not “eternally wandering”, are they bringing us “Russian” culture, from TV screens, from the stage of the theater, from any photo exhibitions ... Like a “repressed” Serebrennikov? They bring to the masses the “Russian” culture, neither Dostoevsky, nor Pushkin, nor Rachmaninov, but bare experiences and frank pedophilia. And the minister of "culture", only for the extra chromosome, should be shot! am
  24. camo
    camo 9 December 2017 19: 02 New
    +2
    lower right in the photo noticed the rarity of the RPG-16. I thought they were no longer in service
  25. tank64rus
    tank64rus 9 December 2017 19: 10 New
    +4
    Again, it goes on with us: I didn’t send you there. "Father told me that earlier officials were afraid because front-line soldiers could get a stool on their head. But over the years, bureaucrats have been unbuttoned. Here are lists of awarded people and that's right, how many submissions to awards lies dead weight in the Ministry of Defense. Afghans, Chernobyl, Chechens are now Syrians and many others from the "secret" wars. Sometimes by the anniversary or event they suddenly see and reward some. I’m talking about ordinary people at the authorities with this tip-top. Somewhere there and my s ozdochka dust.
  26. urman
    urman 9 December 2017 19: 16 New
    +2
    article plus a little nervous, well, essentially the same and friends but in Fig, you do not need big words quietly enough
  27. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 9 December 2017 19: 23 New
    0
    This is the usual policy of the Martians, who are at the helm of power in Russia. So this will continue ... To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear ...
  28. A.
    A. 9 December 2017 19: 40 New
    +4
    The government may create the appearance of violent activity, but it is more anti-people than for the people. There is no money, but you stay here. This is a moronic central television and not only central. Film production sucks, rather corruption than education. All actions are a reaction in response to someone else's actions. There is no way, no national ideas. Perhaps because their main idea is their own pocket. Busy with another. What could be the national idea of ​​Dvorkovich, Shuvalov, or Dmitry Anatolyevich? They have other heroes. Or former Putin henchmen -
    Fursenko’s pests with Livanov, it is unlikely that they were concerned about education. Were there people in the skin - the former head of the Russian Post? Etc.
  29. populist
    populist 9 December 2017 19: 57 New
    +2
    Do heroes need a great country?

    Warriors are our heroes patriots, and the top is pro-Western. How will this elite of their antagonists be glorified? what Yes, even the same patriots on their example to educate? After all, they’ll take them out of the Kremlin. angry
  30. staviator
    staviator 9 December 2017 20: 27 New
    +5
    The article is kind of dark and murky. The author is cheating with garbage. About the heroes of the Afghans and poems and films were named after the children of the schools who died in Chechnya, it’s clear about Syria. What kind of bother is still needed. How to compose about the civil and sacred song them to the parade?
  31. Spnsr
    Spnsr 9 December 2017 20: 59 New
    +3
    So this whole Ukraine, with the war with Russia, was up to this purpose to bring up a new Ukraine separate from Russia. And if we find ourselves there, it will be good material for educating a new generation of hostile Russia
  32. Agasfer vecnyzhid
    Agasfer vecnyzhid 9 December 2017 21: 44 New
    +4
    Two authors, and it is not clear who is older, who is more responsible: Alexander Staver, Roman Skomorokhov. It seems that the names are left because the article is legal. On such a responsible resource as here, such comparisons cannot be made. A defender of the constitutional order in Chechnya, war peacekeepers in the Balkans (Bosnia, Kosovo, Transnistria, etc.) are compared with volunteers from the Donbas militia. VOLUNTEERS !!! Different legal status !!! And a parallel with the participants of the ATU APU. It is so impressive that either the authors have not yet matured to the realization of these concepts I have cited, or they are purely editors !!!
  33. Glory1974
    Glory1974 9 December 2017 21: 44 New
    +1
    I agree with the authors for all 100%. I consider this situation a consequence of a systemic failure, when we do not have an ideology, it is not clear what to honor heroes for. Either for the battle at the oil (gas) field, or for the Motherland. If for resources, then for money, which is not comme il faut. And if for the Motherland, at the very top of the Motherland in the West, it turns out they should honor themselves. So there is a cognitive dissonance among those in power.
    Therefore, only ordinary people who have no problems determining who is the hero and who is not put up monuments to our soldiers and are outraged by the revelations of “boys from Urengoy”.
  34. samarin1969
    samarin1969 9 December 2017 22: 47 New
    +3
    Thanks to Roman and Alexander - they did not raise this topic before. It is ridiculous to moan about the Olympics, to watch how the awards are presented to the little girls when our people give their lives in the Donbass and in Syria. These are really the best people of Russia. They must be buried on a larger scale than their sons Kurds, Turks or Hezbollah.
  35. Mih1974
    Mih1974 9 December 2017 22: 54 New
    +5
    I do not agree with everyone. The first - the announcement of the dead MTR is unacceptable stupidity because it is a fraud at the risk of their families !! negative And that means only - large payments and posthumous rewarding.
    The second is a lie that in Syria we are for only oil or gas. As they say correctly (those whom I personally trust) - this is a rare and "wonderful" option when the terrorists climbed out of the caches and did not have time to hide behind our children in Beslan or in Moscow in the theater !! It’s just a holiday when these nonhumans, geeks, they can much much and it is necessary to bomb precisely !! good Mercilessly and with special cynicism, high-precision weapons and "iron", and drop a nuclear bomb on them. good . For when these scum get to our homeland, then you have to sacrifice either the children behind whom they will hide or (and) the specialists who will cover their children with bullet bodies, as was the case in Beslan (the biggest losses in Alpha in history).
    Therefore, it does not matter who in Syria cleans the territory of terrorists - the Army or the Kurds, the main thing is that ALL terrorists would be killed.
    But about what they did to Budanov, I completely agree here. From century to century - parquet geeks underestimate, "trample" the real officers (and rank and file). So it was with RI and with the USSR and now the same thing. These "generals" at headquarters even receive ranks only so that their "teams" would have weight in the troops. And then when the results are sorted out - those who are not involved and “drank coffee” in Moscow offices will receive orders, salary increases, bonuses and summer cottages in a prestigious area. And those who are under bullets and under bombs in the same Syria, the recently deceased general - his family will receive a letter, a miserable pension and "went out of here." am negative .
    So it was with Suvorov, with Ushakov and many other “wrong” generals, and there was no need to talk about the “lower ranks”.
    I don’t regret at all that they killed (shot) the landowners, bureaucrats, and senior officers after the 1917 revolution. Yes, it was very cruel and inhumane, but only those who did it often knew the actions of this "elite" not from textbooks like us. And I want to remind you that just the king was overthrown and started this Revolution - the highest officers, which forced the king to sign the abdication. fool And this was done during the War, which, in general, is punishable by military laws - the death penalty. Moreover - ALWAYS, there are no exceptions.
  36. vladikod
    vladikod 9 December 2017 23: 03 New
    +2
    All this is sad ... For the sake of political conventions, there is a kind of non-interference in the internal affairs of some unrighteous regimes such as the Kiev regime, and no matter what the foreign partners say about Russia and impose regular sanctions or exclude organizations from any euro, we often forget about our guys, our heroes .... And then we complain about the fact that patriotic education and normal school and university education are not carried out ...
  37. Altona
    Altona 9 December 2017 23: 07 New
    +7
    Quote: Sofa General
    And what does the Russian Federation offer as an ideology?

    ----------------------------
    The whole ideology of today's Russia is a philistine consciousness, have you still not understood? And the heroes only bother the townspeople, they destroy with their altruism and passionarity that cozy little world with a house, a car and clothes that the townsfolk lovingly build.
  38. Nik Torohov
    Nik Torohov 9 December 2017 23: 16 New
    +3
    I read the comments and understood, while 90% of the people would write all sorts of nonsense and groan that they were poorly fed and entertained, but somewhere else it’s cooler, then nothing will improve in Russia because the people are not plowed, but criticized! And everyone argues like expert experts in everything, from weapons to politics in the Middle East ... and the parish school itself seems to be
    walked
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  40. Sofa General
    Sofa General 10 December 2017 00: 22 New
    +5
    To the authors ...
    Gentlemen, comrades, brothers ...
    They said "A" say "B"
    In a class-divided society, only representatives of the ruling class can become publicly sung heroes.
  41. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 10 December 2017 00: 24 New
    +5
    Guys, and you are the heroes of the Red Army who were slaughtered by the Iranians in their territory in the 20s, remember? And the heroes of the Red Army who went on a GREAT campaign in Afghanistan in the 20s? And what about reconnaissance heroes who raided the Baltic states in the 20s? Are all the heroes of the Spanish war who died there under "Spanish" pseudonyms known to you? Not all who returned from Spain and even were awarded high orders, even in official autobiographies had the right to write about this - only in documents of the level of the Central Committee of the CPSU. But in China there were so many of our soldiers in the 30s, who knows? How many are buried there is unknown by whom and unknown where? Guys, you will raise the historical question - about the historical heroism of the soldiers of the special operations forces - but the specifics of a real and continuous hybrid warfare require, alas, closed approaches to the topic, as well as VISIBLE entrances to the territory with SPECIAL tasks and the same ELIGIBLE exits. Alas ... This is so far. And you need to weigh a lot of things before you begin to open the veil of secrecy. It’s in your interests, too, men. The people still feel you and honor you.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 10 December 2017 20: 44 New
      +4
      In the special forces (brigades, battalions and separate companies) there has never been heroism, only a task at any cost, even with your life. This work, nothing more. Journalists in the media can submit this as they like, but for those who have “signed up,” it's just a job. Although we were told that they work for a civilian, and here they serve their homeland. Quietly, imperceptibly, often unknown.
  42. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 10 December 2017 04: 54 New
    +2
    Indeed, Russia is not the USSR. Now the young generation has different values ​​and aspirations. An example is the boy Kolya from Novy Urengoy, our Olympians (they spat in the country and they are going). And the ruling elite is characterized by selfish thoughts than real concern for the country. Syria example. Yes, we are fighting ISIS but right there in parallel thinking about the sale of weapons, oil and gas. Another time - other heroes.
  43. A.
    A. 10 December 2017 05: 28 New
    0
    Nice photo. What a huge difference between the faces of our guys,
    and hari from the photo, where the NATO rabble starred in the background of Ivangorod.
    Or a video in which NATO blacks pull out a stuck truck on the side of a road in Poland until their tractor rolls over. Blacks are blacks. This is not Africa for them. Although the Saxons not far from them left.
  44. Varyag77
    Varyag77 10 December 2017 06: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: camo
    lower right in the photo noticed the rarity of the RPG-16. I thought they were no longer in service

    I didn’t notice the elephant :). It would be better to pay attention to the photo itself. What does it have to do with the text? Nothing. A bunch of cadets of a military university, in a field exit. I will explain Srpzu to all unaware. Belts and caps for officers. Such are worn only by cadets. Did the author push something of his own? Or how? Did not find other more suitable images relevant to this article? Or did he portray us "heroes of Russia at rest"?
    As for the title Hero of Russia, now unfortunately this award is essentially discredited. Give it almost right and left. During the war, most of the current heroes would have a maximum of the Order of the Red Star. So the question must be posed in the wrong way. Why do they distribute to the right and left the highest military award of the country. That is the question
    1. passerby5
      passerby5 10 December 2017 15: 05 New
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      And you didn’t think that the author inserted this photo with the idea that these guys are officers in the future who should be educated and lead. and maybe die somewhere. for the homeland. 1. Will they be capable of it. 2. The homeland will not forget about them .. and will not drown (((maybe that was what he had in mind. And having such thoughts in his head — whether they will become breasts — or, well, he and the bushes .... somehow sad and lousy at heart from realizing this
      1. no matter
        no matter 10 December 2017 16: 47 New
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        I think that the author calls "immediately to the bushes"
  45. Varyag77
    Varyag77 10 December 2017 07: 16 New
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    Yeah, correction. Hero of Russia is not the highest award in the Russian Federation. That is, its value is reduced in comparison with the USSR. Our Highest is George. Well, here is the answer to the question why do not shout at every corner. Yes, because the Hero of Russia is not equivalent to the Hero of the Soviet Union. They don’t shout. Now, in fact, the Hero of Russia is the only (not the highest) military award. The Order of Courage does not count. Despite the name it is not military, but civilian. Therefore, if you throw away all sorts of "name orders" of Suvorov, Kutuzov, etc. then only 2 rewards remain. Hero Star and Order of St. George 4 degrees. George on the statute above. Hence the conclusion. Despite the loud title of the award “Hero of the Russian Federation”, the award itself is not a sign of the exceptional nature of the event. Well, and from here the state is in no hurry to "perpetuate" and advertise the names of the heroes.
    And according to the statute, the St. George Knight (not even full) is higher than the Hero of Russia. So here are Colleagues.
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 11 December 2017 00: 20 New
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      The highest award is not even George, but the order of St. Andrew the First-Called, by the way, there are two varieties for civilians and for military men with swords.
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 11 December 2017 20: 11 New
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      Now, in fact, the Hero of Russia is the only (not the highest) military award.

      Why the only military? And the military medals "For Courage" and "For Service to the Fatherland" with swords? Order "for service to the fatherland", "for military services."
  46. Varyag77
    Varyag77 10 December 2017 07: 31 New
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    Quote: Mih1974
    I don’t regret at all that they killed (shot) the landowners, bureaucrats, and senior officers after the 1917 revolution. Yes, it was very cruel and inhumane, but only those who did it often knew the actions of this "elite" not from textbooks like us. And I want to remind you that just the king was overthrown and started this Revolution - the highest officers, which forced the king to sign the abdication. And this was done during the War, which, in general, is punishable by military laws - the death penalty. Moreover - ALWAYS, there are no exceptions.

    What a dashing commissar you have. I would like to see sir at you, when you, as an officer, raise your fighters to attack the NATO trash, you get a bayonet (or bullet) in the back and the last thing you hear will be “we will not die for these oligarchs” because the soldiers will be right? You will not be offended that they killed their own? So what if you are not rich, so what if you have passed all the hot spots have passed. You are an officer, so you are a bastard. But the soldiers are simple. After all, the sons of the rich do not go to the army. The soldiers are from the plow and from the machine. They are from PEOPLE. PEOPLE who have been so infringed on for the past 25 years. So will the soldiers be right then? or how?
  47. Altona
    Altona 10 December 2017 10: 09 New
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    Quote: brick
    And who is in our ministry of culture, are they not “ever wandering”, are they bringing us “Russian” culture, from TV screens, from the stage of the theater, from any photo exhibitions ... Like a “repressed” Serebrennikov?

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    Medina "announced" a fundraiser for a folk film about Zoya Kosmodemyanskoy !!!! The people wrote to him, "first take away from the Raykins and Serebryannikovs," "a disgrace to give money for pederasty and then collect it for a film about heroes."
  48. trahterist
    trahterist 10 December 2017 12: 50 New
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    Some kind of nonsense is written ..
  49. Volkov Pavel
    Volkov Pavel 10 December 2017 15: 21 New
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    Today we have been fighting in Sevastopol for more than two years to release the national hero of the Russian world, the former leader of the former common Ukrainian party Russian Bloc! The sentence against Basov GA has changed four times! Basov Gennady, the national hero of the Russian world, has been in prison for more than two years in a trumped-up criminal case.
  50. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 10 December 2017 18: 17 New
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    What a strange article. As if not Russian wrote. Material support, of course, is good, but we didn’t fight for money or pensions ...