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Olympic war

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The IOC has removed the Russian national team from the Winter Olympics in South Korea, allowing only “Olympic athletes from Russia” to the Olympics, who still have to prove their “cleanliness”. To go or not to go to the Winter Olympics in such a situation, in fact, to the sports war? Some consider such participation in the Olympics as a humiliation of Russian sports, others are ready to prove the strength of our sport in such conditions.


Olympic war


Understand without emotion, as suggested by presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov. The anti-Russian "doping" campaign is "clearly directed," according to President Vladimir Putin, a more than informed person, but then it will continue against our athletes in South Korea. That is, the "doping" humiliation and mockery of them will continue in South Korea. Those who want to see this for themselves can go to the Olympics.

We will receive additional evidence of the “dangling” scandal of the WADA and the United States behind it. This is after all the implementation of the public threat of US Special Representative Kurt Walker, ex-employee of John McCain, about “isolating Russia in the world,” if she does not make concessions to the United States in Ukraine.

Secondly, the organizers of this sports special operation are also considering the option of Russia's participation in the Olympiad in the shortened composition under the Olympic flag. They will have to be shown that without doping the Russians cannot win to prove the accusations of WADA. That is, we are waiting for dishonest judging, Western “sportsmen” and new provocations inflated by doping.

The essence of the matter is that, after all that has happened, Russia cannot be trusted either by the WADA or the IOC - provokers cannot be trusted. We should expect the continuation of provocations at the Olympics in South Korea. Can and throw, and "scratch" the next test, exert psychological pressure, manipulate with refereeing.

Thirdly, what should our athletes who do not want to play under the white Olympic flag do, who is insulting to the power, and those who were unfairly disqualified from WADA, who were not only taking the Olympics, but who attacked their sporting career and reputation? Moreover, there will be more and more of them, given the growing hybrid war.

It must be admitted that a Western monopoly on international sport has developed, and since the beginning of the hybrid war with Russia, the West has begun to actively use its monopoly position and will continue to use it. This monopoly must be destroyed, otherwise the political pressure of the West on world sport will not stop, and it will be impossible to fight it.

In other words, Russia needs an Olympic, and in general, sports counterplay, and for the future. In this capacity, only alternative international sports grounds can perform. Sooner or later, you will have to create a counterbalance to the Olympic Games, if sport has de facto become part of big politics. This is the only way to endanger the monopoly of WADA, the IOC and the whole West on world sport. This will be an effective response measure that will make both WADA and the IOC seriously think. Having an alternative site of the Goodwill Games, it will be possible to conduct a completely different conversation with them: on an equal footing.

Already today, for athletes who are victims of WADA, who do not agree with the IOC policy, it is possible and necessary to organize an alternative Olympiad - the Goodwill Games in Sochi, free from political insinuations of the West. And for foreign athletes, too, who are faced with the injustice of Western sports institutions - there are plenty of such in the world.

It seems that the IOC is afraid of retaliation of Russia, therefore it promises to lift sanctions immediately after the Olympics, even promises to allow our athletes to go with the Russian flag at the Olympics closing ceremony if Russia behaves well. Very good. But these are only promises, and mean politics, so they cannot be trusted. Once again they are deceived, they will suddenly “find something”, and the Western fake media will burst out laughing to the whole world, how cleverly they deceived Russia!

December 12 at a meeting of Russian Olympians will be made a final decision on the Winter Olympics in South Korea. Will Russia appear on the Olympic War?
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 8 December 2017 15: 02 New
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    Some consider such participation in the Olympics as a humiliation of Russian sports, while others are ready to prove the strength of our sport in such conditions.

    Some felt that the Guarantor didn’t give a damn about them, while others, for advertising, money, Mercedes and apartments, were ready to speak under a used condom ... but after that they would say, of course, that this was all done for the glory of Russia and the people. And the same Guarantor will reward them with Mercedes, clapping them and pushing fiery speeches.
    And about the fact that we are mixed with excrement, persuading us to abandon our identity, roots, flag, coat of arms, anthem ... so it's not scary. The guarantor is wise, he thought everything through. Only the darling is worth it and does not disappear.
    1. Finches
      Finches 8 December 2017 15: 31 New
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      "Who removed the Russian team from the Olympics?
      -Court!
      -Why?
      -Sut! " laughing
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 8 December 2017 18: 13 New
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        Who wants to ride, capitulate under a white rag, don’t have to whistle what you were preparing, injuries and everything else, but prepared, yes injuries, yes the Olympics can only be once, and life is given only once and there is a choice to either capitulate or die preserving honor, just look into his eyes and choose.
        he died, but did not stand under a white rag. A low bow to all who retained their honor and the honor of the country.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 8 December 2017 18: 29 New
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          vovanpain, 18:13. Good example! You can add more. We talk a lot here as the countries of the West quickly fell under Adolf. But today the same thing can be said about us. How much did Russia resist? A year, two, three ??? No. I gave up right away. Betrayed time, betray again. In the 90s they betrayed the Red Flag. Today we sell already tricolor. Russians, give up! You are waiting for good food and a good attitude! Those who agree, go out under the white flag! The commander gave the go-ahead with a white flag. Somehow analogies are very well seen in comparison with the past.
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 8 December 2017 18: 37 New
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            Quote: Region 34
            Somehow analogies are very well seen in comparison with the past.

            Region hi It is not necessary to compare with the past, neither Stalin, nor Brezhnev, nor Khrushch, would ever give good deeds on a white rag. In 1984, goodwill games were organized, then there were steel Faberge, but as the humpback came, it started
            Quote: Region 34
            Betrayed time, betray again. In the 90s they betrayed the Red Flag. Today we sell already tricolor.

            hi
            1. 34 region
              34 region 8 December 2017 19: 18 New
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              vovanpain, 18:37. I apologize. But it seems we did not quite understand each other. We already had the Russian Liberation Army. You also understand, like I fought for Russia. As for Stalin. Then on June 22 he was in a much worse position than today. But he rested his horn and did not integrate with integrators. This really was a man !!! Although, by the standards of current integrators, he could have agreed with that European Union. Today, performing under a neutral flag is a recognition of the correctness and supremacy of the West. It's like in the 90s. Refuse the USSR and we recognize you! They refused. And many were quickly collectivized into their collective farm. What !? They were against the Soviet collective farm! Which means FOR the European collective farm. That's the whole squiggle! hi
              1. vovanpain
                vovanpain 8 December 2017 20: 22 New
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                Quote: Region 34
                . Today, performing under a neutral flag is a recognition of the correctness and supremacy of the West.

                Region 34 Stalingrad! good hi All rightly said, there is nothing to add, Only with RESPECT Stalingrad! hi
              2. the most important
                the most important 9 December 2017 14: 31 New
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                Quote: Region 34
                Today, performing under a neutral flag is a recognition of the correctness and supremacy of the West.

                The authorities want to "make peace" with the West, but do not understand that if they do not give a tough answer now, the World Cup in Russia will be held without the Russian team, which is also disqualified. Although I am not a supporter of holding such championships, when a third of the country's population is poor, I consider this attitude to Russia itself unacceptable. I am sure that the worst-case scenario awaits us. Reconciliation with the West began back in Minsk-1 ... and continues to this day. And the end-edge of this is not visible ...
                1. ArhipenkoAndrey
                  ArhipenkoAndrey 12 December 2017 07: 00 New
                  +1
                  And this olympiad is a direct consequence of the olympiad in Rio, they have exhausted themselves and began to sprinkle ashes on their heads, have been suspended from the para-olympic team, and as the apogee will be the complete descent of the country through the arrived strikebreakers, from whom they will still be asked in triplets for the provided “free” services, these uncles will not they just don’t give it if they go for the examination and investigation of Russia through a court and put forward an extra bill and the country pays, Rio agreed and now they will oblige them to pay everything, how expensive these Olympians will cost the country.
              3. Rey_ka
                Rey_ka 12 December 2017 09: 44 New
                +1
                I agree. But then the country was different and had ideas. Now almost everyone has the same money in their heads and there’s not up to principles. No wonder in the Bible wealth is indirectly equated with mortal sins.
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          1. Dead duck
            Dead duck 9 December 2017 13: 54 New
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            Quote: Alexander KAM
            It’s hard for fools to understand that sport is not war, that sport has its own norms and rules that must be observed

            Yeah ... and I'm talking about the same ...
            What athletes, what artists - parsley for the fun of the public.
            Just at the end of the twentieth century (and especially in the twenty-first) they made an “icon” of them, in the literal and figurative senses.
            What sports, what "art" for centuries have been for the entertainment of the people.
            And then some give their health and life for achievements in jumping or filming a movie, while others protecting and saving other people's lives ... and the first began to be valued higher.
            1. V. Salama
              V. Salama 10 December 2017 09: 42 New
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              And you are about the same ... When it comes to international relations, it is impossible to depoliticize sports. It so happened historically, it's like with paper money - a fetish, but there's nothing to be done, you have to take it for granted. And it was announced long ago: "the status of a country is determined by the number of nuclear warheads and Olympic medals." I don’t remember which American politician belongs to this statement.
              1. Dead duck
                Dead duck 10 December 2017 12: 03 New
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                Quote: V. Salama
                When it comes to international relations, it is impossible to depoliticize sports.

                Sports and relationships are different.
                And the fact that they are often confused and used in combination is not good.
                Quote: V. Salama
                It happened historically,

                Nothing happened. Originally thought up for another.
                And Coubertin did not organize new ones for politics.
                1. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 10 December 2017 12: 57 New
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                  Sports and relationships are different ... So everything is relative however. Is it good or not that, depending on the situation, the subject can act both as a means and as an object, depending on the needs of other subjects, will depend on their intentions of good or evil. The problem is that always different actors will strive to realize opportunities in their interests, regardless of what it was originally invented for. Such is life and it is foolish to deny the obvious. For example, it is impossible to deideologize a people, although many continue to believe in it.
                  1. Dead duck
                    Dead duck 10 December 2017 13: 06 New
                    +6
                    This is all verbiage and the desire to replace one with another, so as not to see the obvious.
                    1. V. Salama
                      V. Salama 10 December 2017 14: 56 New
                      +1
                      I see no reason for such a statement. I would like to note that ignorance of the objective laws of the development of society does not exempt from responsibility in the form of a broken trough, as the final result - a collapsed industry, science, medicine, education, impoverishment of the people, etc. etc. It’s possible and simpler, a Chinese proverb: “Anyone who does not understand the meaning will expend the efforts of nine bulls and will not get the desired result.” It's a shame, however. We are citizens of one country and it is assumed that normal life depends on our joint efforts, and we are like in a fable about a swan with cancer and pike. Fuck means to us, not a bright future.
                      1. Dead duck
                        Dead duck 11 December 2017 11: 18 New
                        +6
                        Quote: V. Salama
                        I see no reason for such a statement.

                        And I'm talking about your address too. request
                        The demagogy is continuous.
                        Quote: Bakht
                        The flag is in your hands. White

                        Are you right now to whom and about what?
                2. Bakht
                  Bakht 10 December 2017 13: 33 New
                  +2
                  And why is there a tradition to fly under your own flag? If everyone went under the Olympic flag it would be out of politics.
                  Is it still not clear what will happen? Favorites will not be allowed to speak. Serednyachki will make up the background and after the Olympics will be said "We were right. In Russia, they can’t honestly win without doping."
                  The flag is in your hands. White...
            2. ArhipenkoAndrey
              ArhipenkoAndrey 12 December 2017 07: 02 New
              +1
              Yes, sports, and in particular the Olympic games, have long turned into a show with a result predictable for certain circles.
          2. Victor N
            Victor N 9 December 2017 13: 57 New
            +4
            Alexander KAM - you are wrong!
            In sport there can be no rules different from those in effect in the SOCIETY - from accepted moral standards. Moreover, the society contains this show business. Consider how society evaluates not only actions, but also thoughts. Or do not demand .....
          3. vovanpain
            vovanpain 9 December 2017 14: 40 New
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            Quote: Alexander KAM
            Arch stupid comment! Absurd and ridiculous!

            Yes, so far to us, such a smart and bright elf laughing
            Quote: Alexander KAM
            It’s hard for fools to understand that sport is not war

            Since you are ONE clever in the whole country, you can understand, although it’s unlikely No. Sport is the same war, only by peaceful means and defeat in competition, this defeat and the country the athlete represents.
            Quote: Alexander KAM
            that in sport there are norms and rules that must be observed, that in sport there is collective responsibility and one must prove one's innocence,

            This is a nice person, tell those whom you serve for American cookies, said write the address, and I’ll send you a white rag, a towel for your feet, it’s just right for you. yes
            Quote: Alexander KAM
            I understand that fools do not know this. It’s bad that they don’t want to know.

            I repeat for ONE smart, where we have 140000000 Russian population before you. laughing
          4. Alber
            Alber 9 December 2017 14: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander KAM
            It’s hard for fools to understand that sport is not a war, that sport has its own rules and regulations that must be respected, that sport has collective responsibility and its innocence must be proved, since there is no presumption of innocence in the World Anti-Doping Code. I understand that fools do not know this. It’s bad that they don’t want to know.

            Che wanted to say something essentially?
            And then the person seems to be not quite reasonably insulting
          5. passing
            passing 9 December 2017 15: 04 New
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            It’s hard for fools to understand that sport is not war

            Morons do not exactly understand that the attitude of Western countries towards us is always a war, diplomatic, economic, informational
            I. Although the present Russian Federation is unfortunately completely inscribed in the tail of the west. We could resist when we were the opposite system, and now the FSE
        3. skullcap
          skullcap 11 December 2017 14: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: vovanpain
          The Olympiad can be only once, and life is given once and there is a choice to either capitulate or die while retaining the honor

          I think in this situation, the refusal of an athlete to go to the Olympics is all the same as in battle to lie on the embrasure with a machine gun.
          Not everyone is capable of it.
      2. nadezhiva
        nadezhiva 8 December 2017 20: 04 New
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        Quote: Finches
        "Who removed the Russian team from the Olympics?
        -Court!
        -Why?
        -Sut! " laughing

        For one reason, one fact does not bother anyone: the Americans have not yet decided whether their team will go to the Olympics. Well, that's not decided, and that's it. The paddling pools are rummaging in thought.
        Well, what now, in the 21st century, is a decent Olympics without a war / coup? And the Russians ... even under the white flag ... were about to go ... hell! All the cards seem to have confused the strategists.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 9 December 2017 10: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: nadezhiva
          Americans have not yet decided whether their team will go to the Olympics

          America just breaks down like a prostitute, though ... why how?
        2. SCHWERIN
          SCHWERIN 9 December 2017 11: 08 New
          +5
          Yes, by the way, you're right here. Is it possible to conduct general education in South Korea? Especially. that the States already doubt the need for athletes to travel to Yu.K. And why do not we think the same thing. After all, the same Lavrov speaks of a high probability of war in this region. Maybe with this sauce we can give up this idea. Those. giving the go-ahead for the trip, we substitute not only athletes, but also fans! It is clear the desire of media magnates to cut down the loot for broadcast .....
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 8 December 2017 15: 31 New
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      In real politics, the country's sporting achievements do not matter at all - this is an invention of sports show business to justify receiving money from the state budget. The society also receives nothing, except for the athletes who have been crippled by exorbitant loads.
      1. region58
        region58 8 December 2017 20: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Victor N
        Society doesn't get anything either

        You say it yourself - the show (in which I completely agree with you), then society receives a spectacle.
        These people have long been ... forgotten all the worries, and Rome, that once
        He handed out everything: legions, and power, and ligament lictors,
        Restrained now, and worries about only two things:
        Meal'n'Real! ...

        Since then, little has changed ...
      2. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 9 December 2017 11: 13 New
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        Now many people say that the athletes were getting ready, they were not allowed to go to the Olympics, and they were so offended. Only they felt insulted for MYSELF, and not for the country about which they wiped their feet, therefore they were ready to go to the Olympics, even under a white rag, even under panties in a daisy. 100% of them will be filled with nishtyaks of all sorts, and they will plant someone whom they will do in Dumas and other warm places. And for pensioners who have spent 30-40 years, and at the exit received cookies in the form of a meager pension is not a shame ??? For me, it’s much more offensive to them, because the state they plowed about wipes their feet, and not someone else’s.
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          1. Victor N
            Victor N 9 December 2017 14: 07 New
            +9
            Well, even the IOC did not begin to blame the COUNTRY, and you yourself and your fellow citizens were once dusted with ashes. If there are personalities of this indecency, let's face them together.
            But to pay and not condemn those who, if not involved, but accept humiliating conditions, is impossible. There is no honor and dignity - if you please, get out of a decent company!
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        2. Dead duck
          Dead duck 9 December 2017 13: 59 New
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          Quote: Bulrumeb
          Now many people say that the athletes were getting ready, they were not allowed to go to the Olympics, and they were so offended.

          And yet, many of them just want to show off.
          May God grant 30 percent "earn" medals, and why the rest go? ... and knowing that they do not "shine" there.
          A huge "retinue" that will go with the athletes is generally a separate song.
          At past olympiads everyone rolled up.
        3. 97110
          97110 9 December 2017 14: 57 New
          +6
          Quote: Bulrumeb
          For me, it’s much more offensive to them, because the state they plowed about them

          We took away our state from under our nose. The state is now not at all its own, but an instrument of the ruling class to remove obstacles to the process of extracting and distributing profits. The amount of pensions will be determined by assessing the risks of such obstacles. The risk of revitalization of human rights organizations is minimal, even if these pensioners get hungry, even because human rights defenders protect their rights. And who is right? The question is settled. A force will appear in society that will be able to uplift retirees, current and future, will do something like the “Infinite Regiment,” add pensions. Not right away, of course. Someone will be buried by the “owners”, someone else will be “sewn” to the article. One of my employers loved to repeat the popular wisdom that only cowards pay debts. Frightened - add pensions. They will be very frightened - they will add a lot. And no other way.
        4. Aingof
          Aingof 9 December 2017 17: 21 New
          +1
          We must go, win, publicly throw out medals and unfurl the Russian flag.
          1. ArhipenkoAndrey
            ArhipenkoAndrey 12 December 2017 07: 08 New
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            Until the first U-turn and complete disqualification - it is tantamount to poking a face into the mud with your face, it is better not to allow this at all, it is not possible to beat a cheater, the only thing is not to sit down with him to play at all.
        5. Conductor
          Conductor 10 December 2017 06: 50 New
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          It’s you exactly about the Duma, which one is there from Khorkina or Kabaeva’s Dumets. In reality, in the Duma one must be able to read and think, even a little.
    3. Vend
      Vend 8 December 2017 15: 42 New
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      The IOC has always been politicized.
      The IOC did not allow German athletes and representatives of countries - allies of Germany in the First World War - Austria, Hungary, Bulgaria, Turkey to Antwerp. Did not get to the Olympics and Soviet Russia. The Soviet authorities applied for the admission of eight athletes, but she was ignored
      The story repeated four years later. Germany, as the organizer of World War I, was again denied access to the Games that took place in Paris. Again, Soviet athletes did not go to the capital of France - in protest for the inadmissibility of the Germans.
      The period of non-participation of the Soviet team in the Olympics was prolonged - for the first time she visited these competitions in the 1952 year, although attempts to invite the USSR to competitions were made more than once. After World War II, sanctions were again imposed on Germany; in addition to the German national team, the Japanese team was not allowed to enter the 1948 Games in London, but the USSR team received an invitation, but postponed its participation until the next Olympics.
      Athletes from South Africa did not come to compete in Tokyo in 1964. The reason for the removal was the government policy of apartheid. And in 1970, South Africa was expelled from the IOC. All disqualifications were canceled only at the beginning of 1990's.

      Two teams participated in the 1992 Games of the year, playing under the Olympic flag. Along with the CIS athletes who came to Barcelona after the collapse of the USSR, the Yugoslavs turned out to be without their flag at the Games (UN sanctions were applied to the republic).
      In 2000, athletes from Afghanistan were removed from participation in the Sydney Olympics. The International Olympic Committee was not satisfied with the fact that the Taliban ruling on the territory of the country did not allow women to take part in competitions.
      In the 2012 year, two years before the Sochi Winter Olympics, the IOC imposed sanctions against India. The reason was the election of two officials to the national Olympic committee, one of whom was accused of corruption, and the second of fraud.
      Kuwait was expelled from the Olympic movement a year before the 2016 Games in Rio de Janeiro. The IOC made this decision due to government interference in sports.
      USSR vs USA

      Countries have repeatedly boycotted the Olympic Games on their own. The two most famous cases are related to the 1980 and 1984 Olympic Games, which were held in Moscow and Los Angeles, respectively. Games in the USSR in total boycotted 65 countries protesting against the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan. And the Olympics of the 1984 of the year were refused to attend most of the countries of the socialist camp, except Romania, Yugoslavia and China. Romania formally also joined the boycott, but allowed its athletes to travel to the United States privately.

      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/05/12/2017/5a2547619a
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      1. NordUral
        NordUral 8 December 2017 20: 20 New
        +1
        And what did you mean by that?
        1. Vend
          Vend 11 December 2017 10: 32 New
          0
          Quote: NordUral
          And what did you mean by that?

          The fact that nothing new has happened.
          1. ArhipenkoAndrey
            ArhipenkoAndrey 12 December 2017 07: 13 New
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            Uh, here you’re wrong, my friend, the deck has been shuffled openly, forgive the Olympic charters, according to the rogue and the criminal, the decision was “fair”, that is, they didn’t just make it clear, but poked into the mug and indicated Russia's place in the “Olympic movement” - Forgive me for a different level, now they are right by default and no one decree to them.
            1. Vend
              Vend 12 December 2017 09: 23 New
              0
              Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
              Uh, here you’re wrong, my friend, the deck has been shuffled openly, forgive the Olympic charters, according to the rogue and the criminal, the decision was “fair”, that is, they didn’t just make it clear, but poked into the mug and indicated Russia's place in the “Olympic movement” - Forgive me for a different level, now they are right by default and no one decree to them.

              Read my post above. The IOC has acted this way before. All that you have written for a long time in their charter. And Western analysts, this time very well calculated the reaction of Russian citizens. There is a split.
              1. ArhipenkoAndrey
                ArhipenkoAndrey 12 December 2017 16: 40 New
                +1
                Yes, they acted, but they didn’t quite ever deprive the country of the basic symbols, didn’t indicate the place behind the “world” sport, didn’t indicate what to play in, in this situation there could be only one thing - not to take part, to preserve the country's elementary honor, but the IOC Russia decided to participate - well done - wipe your country and continue to sponsor athletes without a clan and tribe under the white flag with multi-colored rings and the Russian OK, which has no voting rights in the international IOC, have arrived. And at the expense of the split, so corrupt Olympians bring a split, because they trained, you need to amuse your vanity.
                1. Vend
                  Vend 12 December 2017 17: 04 New
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                  Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
                  Yes, they acted, but they didn’t quite ever deprive the country of the basic symbols, didn’t indicate the place behind the “world” sport, didn’t indicate what to play in, in this situation there could be only one thing - not to take part, to preserve the country's elementary honor, but the IOC Russia decided to participate - well done - wipe your country and continue to sponsor athletes without a clan and tribe under the white flag with multi-colored rings and the Russian OK, which has no voting rights in the international IOC, have arrived. And at the expense of the split, so corrupt Olympians bring a split, because they trained, you need to amuse your vanity.

                  Russia was not deprived, this is true, but Soviet Russia was simply ignored. And how many times have our athletes been humiliated at the Olympics? Karelina, Nemov, Khorkina and never appealed, neither from Russia nor from the USSR. So it’s not so sweet life for athletes. Not just athletes. but ordinary people are divided. I will not condemn the decision of athletes to go to the Olympics, I just will not watch. These are not our games, I have no one to root for there.
    4. Lexus
      Lexus 8 December 2017 15: 59 New
      18
      It will be fun if the Anglo-Saxons because of Kim do not appear at the Olympics. And ours already "repented" ...
    5. Astapan
      Astapan 8 December 2017 19: 49 New
      11
      Those under a white rag - all expenses associated with the training process, due to a white rag.
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 9 December 2017 16: 27 New
        +1
        Quote...
        Those under a white rag - all expenses associated with the training process, due to a white rag.

        Yes, only there is not a lot of Russian money there (Gazprom for example)
        1. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 12 December 2017 07: 29 New
          0
          Do not entertain yourself with illusions, these guys will never give a dime for anything, they will ask you more than anything, and the athlete will only be able to trade in their homeland, they will have nothing more to offer, and who does not agree about that will wipe their legs and throw them out with shame from the Olympic games.
    6. Primoos
      Primoos 10 December 2017 18: 15 New
      0
      They are enemies. They acted like enemies. What is so surprising about this? Why then stare with a goggle? We are in this alimpiadshin. Anyway, the pin. Dos of all are blacker and stronger. Compete with these malnourished sick broilers of an unknown sex
  2. BLADFROST
    BLADFROST 8 December 2017 15: 10 New
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    Do not even go there! There will be dope-inflated (asthmatics polls) western athletes. Everyone will lose to them! And it's worth a shame !?
  3. locos
    locos 8 December 2017 15: 16 New
    +7
    And where is the analytics in this article?
  4. dedBoroded
    dedBoroded 8 December 2017 15: 18 New
    +7
    I’m thinking, do they already have a caliper for measuring skulls or should they take their own?
  5. Galleon
    Galleon 8 December 2017 15: 19 New
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    In my opinion, the conflict with the IOC and WADA revealed the following problems:
    - international organizations in sports and not only in sports are under the control of our enemies - sweeping accusations are proof of this,
    - doping in some part really took place: Zhukov apologized for him, Mutko was disqualified for him, Rodchenkov was kept for him in RUSADA, the Americans knew that and dragged Rodchenkov to him.
    With such sources, the actions of our bodies, individuals and the media are understandable and understandable.
    How can I go to war with WADA and IOC? How can one win in such a war? I have no answers, I’ll be very surprised if there are any.
    1. Curious
      Curious 8 December 2017 15: 53 New
      +6
      "doping in some part really took place" - a masterpiece phrase. How old are you?
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 8 December 2017 16: 46 New
        +6
        There are several options, as one could put it mildly, I chose this one. If you are an old and wise professional philologist - suggest yours.
        1. Curious
          Curious 8 December 2017 17: 21 New
          +1
          Yeah, it's you to soften the expression. And I thought you still retained a shadow of doubt.
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 8 December 2017 18: 03 New
            +7
            Isn't my argument after a colon proof of doping? We had massive victories in Sochi, repeat surprisingly. Managers gave high rates fellow . Interestingly, Mutko also plays cards? what
            1. lance
              lance 8 December 2017 19: 10 New
              +1
              Cards and Olympic winter sports are two different things if you play cards honestly, relying only on your head. nobody canceled the presumption of innocence, evidence on the table.
            2. passing
              passing 9 December 2017 15: 16 New
              0
              Isn't my argument after a colon proof of doping?

              - doping in some part really took place: Zhukov apologized for him,

              This, fellow an argument! Yes, such penitents, if only .. in the heat, not a few are typed.
              It seems to me that the whole movement after Sochi was listed with MELDONIA, do not be lazy, look what kind of drug it is. And keep repenting
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 8 December 2017 20: 24 New
      +4
      No need to fight. We need to open a second front - new Games (the name will follow) to which the West will not have the ability to manipulate. Or these opportunities will be minimized. But this requires the will of the leader of the country and the people, and not only of our country.
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 9 December 2017 06: 08 New
      +1
      How can I go to war with WADA and IOC? How can one win in such a war? I have no answers, I’ll be very surprised if there are any.

      Imagine a card table with players where all players are cheating. and cheat and you will be happy.

      ..
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    4. Alexander KAM
      Alexander KAM 9 December 2017 12: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Galleon
      In my opinion, the conflict with the IOC and WADA revealed the following problems:
      - international organizations in sports and not only in sports are under the control of our enemies - sweeping accusations are proof of this,
      - doping in some part really took place: Zhukov apologized for him, Mutko was disqualified for him, Rodchenkov was kept for him in RUSADA, the Americans knew that and dragged Rodchenkov to him.
      With such sources, the actions of our bodies, individuals and the media are understandable and understandable.
      How can I go to war with WADA and IOC? How can one win in such a war? I have no answers, I’ll be very surprised if there are any.

      So after all, WRONG! What indiscriminate accusations are you talking about?
      Are you familiar with the documents?
    5. Conductor
      Conductor 10 December 2017 06: 54 New
      0
      That's where the Cheka looked from Rodchenko?
      1. ghby
        ghby 10 December 2017 12: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Conductor
        That's where the Cheka looked from Rodchenko?

        The Cheka is now not the same, especially young people. They are trying to work, not diminish, but by the authority of the office, and this is the road to nowhere - to the degradation and destruction of the authority of the office.
        Damn, as for the state’s policy in the field of internal organs, you’ll start to talk so you want to spit, and with swine drooling.
    6. V. Salama
      V. Salama 10 December 2017 15: 52 New
      0
      It’s necessary to fight. But you need to understand what kind of war you are in, and therefore understand what means you have and what means the enemy has. It was not necessary to supply Mutko, who took Rodchenkov on the recommendation of WADA. There was no doubt that the mishandled Cossack would work out sooner or later his manic or imposed idea of ​​destroying the anti-doping system.
  6. Orang
    Orang 8 December 2017 15: 26 New
    15
    Send the IOC to hell and forget. To go, not to go, some small-town and provincialism, then we are a great Russia and all that, then we can’t decide on the attitude towards the removal from some games. Well then in politics and economics? Some kind of simulation of great power.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 December 2017 20: 25 New
      +1
      Just got it now?
      1. Orang
        Orang 9 December 2017 19: 23 New
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        Just got it now?

        It came a long time ago. It's me who shakes the branches, you know how chimpanzees do when they get angry. And not just me. Little is left in the pink glasses left.
  7. solzh
    solzh 8 December 2017 15: 31 New
    13
    On December 12, at a meeting of Russian Olympians, a final decision will be made regarding the Winter Olympics in South Korea.

    And the point is to make a final decision, if it is already clear that they will go and perform. Patriotism in sports has disappeared. It's a shame that nobody cares about the opinions of the people. At first, the Mok and Vada spat in our faces, now the athletes and the guarantor spat in the soul of the people.
    1. Mussasi
      Mussasi 8 December 2017 17: 51 New
      +7
      Here you just noticed, the guarantor completely disappointed.
      The bureaucrats are not only sports, but many others sitting in various international organizations have a separate conversation. What is the use of sitting there and not having weight there ... the pass and the mock perfectly demonstrated to us ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 December 2017 05: 50 New
        +5
        What are you saying ... belay He, like a slave in galleys, "plows" ... Raises the economy (only whose, and is it the president’s business) Beat the barmaley in Syria (only at the same time he greets the "killer" of the Russian pilot, how not to say hello if the gas contract is on fire). It fills the budget (only for some reason the state employees, and soon the army will not be enough) And, Oh! Genius! He returned the Crimea! (Though the case turned up, hohlonedumki went through everything)
        Quote: Mussashi
        Here you just noticed, the guarantor completely disappointed.
        The bureaucrats are not only sports, but many others sitting in various international organizations have a separate conversation. What is the use of sitting there and not having weight there ... the pass and the mock perfectly demonstrated to us ...
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 8 December 2017 21: 55 New
      +8
      Unfortunately, I agree - the "guarantor" has not voiced a single weighty argument why Russia in general and each of us in particular should "lick the sole of the boot we are being kicked with"? Therefore, no matter how "small" my decision to not vote for him, but I will NOT vote for him. Maybe I’ll come and tear these pieces of paper so that they wouldn’t have fallen for me, but not for him. negative
      1. passing
        passing 9 December 2017 15: 21 New
        0
        Therefore, no matter how "small" my decision to not vote for him, but I will NOT vote for him. Maybe I’ll come and tear these pieces of paper so that they wouldn’t have fallen for me, but not for him.

        Why is it so sudden? There are no official applicants yet! No one voiced the development program of the Russian Federation. Putin is silent about the program, probably below his dignity. Until March, a lot of time.
    3. Evgtan
      Evgtan 9 December 2017 09: 46 New
      +5
      absolutely right! Yes, no one will let us win. New test tubes will be opened, and only Russian ones, there will be another meldonium-cocksucker-zaluponiya, once again our officials and athletes will swallow a portion of shit, and once again they will dunk Russia again in shit. We only learned how to chew snot, express concern, send notes of protest, steal from our people, despise our country, and keep stolen from our enemies. Who will respect such ushlopkov something
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  8. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 8 December 2017 15: 57 New
    28
    1. If the athletes are going to go, let them go, on their own behalf (they have small incomes or sponsors), but without state support. So they have a better chance of hitting the IOC.
    2. RF no OI broadcast on state channels.
    3. Budget money should be invested in the development of sports, support for novice athletes. Today, not the best of the best, but the best of the well-off, get into big sports, and therefore disappoint the fans that money is important to them, not the highest achievements. And big sport has long become a business, and quite dirty. Enormous money spins from such specifics, and sometimes it’s clearly not for the country's prestige. Therefore, it is time to stop financing them; they are more than self-supporting.
    1. passing
      passing 9 December 2017 15: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: olimpiada15
      1. If the athletes are going to go, let them go, on their own behalf (they have small incomes or sponsors), but without state support. So they have a better chance of hitting the IOC.
      2. RF no OI broadcast on state channels.
      3. Budget money should be invested in the development of sports, support for novice athletes. Today, not the best of the best, but the best of the well-off, get into big sports, and therefore disappoint the fans that money is important to them, not the highest achievements. And big sport has long become a business, and quite dirty. Enormous money spins from such specifics, and sometimes it’s clearly not for the country's prestige. Therefore, it is time to stop financing them; they are more than self-supporting.

      You look at Zhukov’s speech - you need to give money from the budget, and prepare a form for them, even the budget, without symbols, and television should broadcast them. What are you talking about? He is a vivid example of the current ELITE
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 10 December 2017 07: 01 New
        0
        No, you have to take offense a lot and go for a state account. And what about the state account about us?
  9. NF68
    NF68 8 December 2017 16: 05 New
    +3
    Here he is sport "out of politics."
  10. Bakht
    Bakht 8 December 2017 16: 15 New
    11
    You can’t go for several reasons. The first and main - it’s a shame for the Power
    And who read the decision of the IOC?
    Athletes themselves do not decide. They can only apply. And the right to go or not to go belongs EXCLUSIVELY to the commission. Also, coaches and doctors cannot go. Which of the coaches and doctors to start up also decides EXCLUSIVELY by the commission.
    How can an athlete win without a coach and a doctor. What if an injury?
    A list of invitees will be compiled commission led by Chairman of the Independent Organization for Doping Testing (ITA) Valerie Furneyron, at the absolute discretion of this commission. The commission will include members of the Pre-Gaming Testing Working Group: one from WADA, one from the DFSU (Doping Free Sport Unit) anti-doping unit, one from the IOC, Dr. Richard Budgett.
    -----
    The final decision on the selection of athletes from the list of invitees remains at the absolute discretion of the IOC
    -----
    No trainer or doctor in charge of athletes found to be in violation of the Anti-Doping Rules may be included in the invite list. All trainers and doctors included in the guest list must sign the appropriate declaration.
    - Any other requirements deemed necessary to ensure fidelity to the ethical principles of the Olympic Games.
    VII. The final decision on the selection of administrative and technical workers and officials from the list of invitees remains on absolute discretion of the IOC.

    I am not an athlete. Suppose an athlete goes to the Olympics with another coach. Is it possible? What about the doctor? Can any doctor from the outside be invited to the team?
    Nobody will win anything. But who wants to go to shame - can go.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 December 2017 20: 29 New
      +8
      You gave the correct alignment. I also thought hotly that the guys should go and win. But they won’t let it, they plan for a long time (not "our" marketers) and everything is calculated to the smallest detail. Nobody will check their doping athletes, but ours will be exhausted by checks. This is empty. And we will lose honor, and there will be no medals.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 9 December 2017 10: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: NordUral
        I also thought hotly that the guys should go and win. But they won’t let it, they plan for a long time (not "our" marketers) and everything is calculated to the smallest detail.

        Russia must do everything for the Olympic movement to suffer the fate of the League of Nations.
  11. Nonna
    Nonna 8 December 2017 16: 22 New
    17
    Note to all athletes who decide to earn extra money under a white sheet -
    To receive an invitation from the IOC, athletes must fulfill a number of requirements:

    - in figure skating - do not jump more than 2 turns;
    - in hockey - do not score more than two goals into an opponent’s goal;
    - in skiing - do not wear more than one ski and do not pick up more than one stick;
    - in biathlon - do not take rifles for competitions?
    - in bobsleigh and skeleton - do not use shells for descent;
    - in ski jumping - do not use the springboard;
    - in curling - use raw stones;
    - in speed skating - do not wear skates.
    During competitions in skiing, ice skating, biathlon and others for speed, participants are required to pass doping tests at each stage.
    1. Hoc vince
      Hoc vince 8 December 2017 18: 03 New
      14
      "A little more, and according to the results of the next anti-doping investigation, victory in the Second World War will be awarded to Germany."
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 8 December 2017 20: 33 New
        +3
        Of course, you turned down about Germany, but half the world already knows that America allegedly won the war. We also left China and Mongolia, and there the star-striped flag in our hands.
        1. AlexMark
          AlexMark 8 December 2017 21: 45 New
          +3
          Well, then we know that while we fought with the Nazis, the United States, led by Captain America, fought with some organization "Hydra" laughing
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 8 December 2017 16: 35 New
    +5
    Anti-Russian “doping” campaign is “clearly staged,” according to President Vladimir Putin
    ..And in the words of the Chairman of the ROC Zhukov, we apologize for the doping, and he supported the GDP .. We can’t decide whether or not Meldonium was eaten orchestrated .. Choose one of two .. or. or .. Behavior as a young lady and want, and fearful, and pricks and mom does not order ...
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 8 December 2017 16: 57 New
      +4
      Another point is interesting.
      President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin said IOC decides
      OCD will offset the costs incurred by the IOC in connection with the investigations and will contribute to the establishment of the Independent Testing Authority in the amount of US $ 15 million in order to build capacity and enhance the credibility of the international anti-doping system.

      You can not be a little pregnant. So you also have to pay.
      And further. I am ridiculous of some requests to perform the anthem and carry the flag at the close
      They will compete in uniforms with the appropriate markings and under the Olympic flag. The Olympic anthem will be played at ALL ceremonies.

      https://stillmed.olympic.org/media/Document%20Lib
      rary / OlympicOrg / IOC / Who-We-Are / Commissions / Discip
      linary-Commission / IOC-DC-Schmid / PR-Russian-versio
      n-IOC-suspends-Russian-NOC.pdf # _ga = 2.144385013.13
      +87725817.1512474082
    2. Alexander KAM
      Alexander KAM 9 December 2017 14: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      Anti-Russian “doping” campaign is “clearly staged,” according to President Vladimir Putin
      ..And in the words of the Chairman of the ROC Zhukov, we apologize for the doping, and he supported the GDP .. We can’t decide whether or not Meldonium was eaten orchestrated .. Choose one of two .. or. or .. Behavior as a young lady and want, and fearful, and pricks and mom does not order ...

      President Putin said obvious and notorious nonsense! Or do you not admit that Putin can talk nonsense?
  13. Lnglr
    Lnglr 8 December 2017 16: 36 New
    +2
    Has anyone read the McLaren report?
    Just wondering. And then everyone is arguing and arguing. And who saw the reason for the dispute?
    1. solzh
      solzh 8 December 2017 17: 08 New
      +2
      https://m.championat.com/article/sport/olympic/25
      2150 / On this page there is a link to download the full McLaren report in Russian. Report on one hundred pages.
      1. Lnglr
        Lnglr 8 December 2017 17: 17 New
        +1
        OK thanks
    2. Alexander KAM
      Alexander KAM 9 December 2017 14: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Lnglr
      Has anyone read the McLaren report?
      Just wondering. And then everyone is arguing and arguing. And who saw the reason for the dispute?

      None of those discussing read a report on the documents for it. And there are 1166 of them.
      And of which Russia's responsibility for violations is undeniable.
      You can read the documents yourself: https://www.ipevidencedisclosurepackage.net/
      1. Puma
        Puma 10 December 2017 02: 27 New
        0
        So indisputable?)) Not so long ago, Vyalbe tore up the “read” Nadezhdin on rags. Because as he read, perhaps he only read little because of the lack of knowledge of the "mathematical part." In these matters, you must either understand thoroughly, or not get into it at all. If, for example, you are given a “read” thesis in theoretical physics, will you understand much there? And can you appreciate the quality?
        Everything was clear to me about the anti-doping offices and their attitude towards the Russians even when Kabaeva and Chashchina were disqualified for 2 years in disguise. Complete nonsense and beyond cruelty! Because a) in rhythmic gymnastics, doping is not needed from the word at all, and b) the age in it is very short - 2 years is almost a sporting death.
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  15. X Y Z
    X Y Z 8 December 2017 16: 54 New
    12
    Of course lured and of course deceived! For this, everything is conceived. As for the passage under its flag, this is still that carrot, maybe it will, but most likely not. But I’m completely sure of what will be put in a row and rewarded with selected Sochi medals. And the camera will be directed to the faces of our athletes, savoring the tears of powerlessness. It is very reminiscent of the past when our pilots were lined up and destroyed before their eyes with special American TU-160 scissors.
    Most of all, I am amazed at some of our athletes who are eager to go there and dream of proving something. Who and what? Is it really not clear that this is what is expected of them there, across the ocean, and this will serve as the basis for our further humiliation and settling accounts.
    1. orphan 63
      orphan 63 8 December 2017 18: 28 New
      +5
      Of course lured and of course deceived! For this, everything is conceived. As for the passage under your flag, this is that carrot, maybe, but most likely not

      Already deceived, and the promised carrot was a fake from Zhukov.
      "Today, December 8, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) decided that during the Olympic Games in Korea there should be no mention of Russia. In addition, if previously they stated the possibility of using the Russian flag and anthem during the closing ceremony, but now the IOC has officially deprived us of even this hope, said State Duma Deputy Speaker Petr Tolstoy.
      He noted that now the Western press will again write a lot about the fate of Russian athletes, around whom there will be an unfriendly situation in Korea. "The news caused a wide public response in social networks.
      https://politobzor.net/152468-socseti-burno-obsuz
      hdayut-zapret-mok-upominat-rossiyu-na-oi-vo-kak-b
      oyatsya.html? utm_source = topwar.ru
      The State Duma suddenly woke up from two years of hibernation and unanimously adopted a statement - "The State Duma considers the decision of the Executive Committee of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) unreasonable and violating the rights of Russian athletes."
      It seems that our President tried to catch two bad alternatives in the trap. If he had supported the boycott of OI, now everyone would have screamed - a tyrant / tyrant / mordor / gebnya and other liberpopny set of words in all of our media. And the President’s sole decision to take part in the OI on such bestial conditions from the IOC would lead to screams - wimp / crouched / blown away, etc., etc.
      In this situation, I think it’s correct and perfectly verified to give a decision to the conscience of the athletes,
      at the same time giving a magic kick to the deputies of the State Duma and SovFed.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 8 December 2017 20: 35 New
      +3
      Everything will end with a snowstorm with consequences if we go.
      1. orphan 63
        orphan 63 8 December 2017 23: 11 New
        +8
        Everything must be done on time. Our OK was supposed to start to scandal and fill up with complaints and statements of the IOC a long time ago - When the Americans were allowed a second time to run the baton, because the first time they did not succeed. Or when the Canadian pair was given a second set of gold medals in figure skating. Or maybe after the American goalkeeper moved the goal to Sochi and the puck was not counted.
        And protests and boycotts at all levels were to appear after the bestial removal of our Paralympic athletes in RIO.
        They kept silent, wiped themselves off - now we have what we ordered.
        1. Alexander KAM
          Alexander KAM 9 December 2017 14: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Orphan 63
          Everything must be done on time. Our OK was supposed to start to scandal and fill up with complaints and statements of the IOC a long time ago - When the Americans were allowed a second time to run the baton, because the first time they did not succeed. Or when the Canadian pair was given a second set of gold medals in figure skating. Or maybe after the American goalkeeper moved the goal to Sochi and the puck was not counted.
          And protests and boycotts at all levels were to appear after the bestial removal of our Paralympic athletes in RIO.
          They kept silent, wiped themselves off - now we have what we ordered.

          Stupidity, however. Meaningless nonsense. Empty and ridiculous.
          Follow the rules and regulations and you will be happy.
  16. Strashila
    Strashila 8 December 2017 17: 19 New
    +6
    Once again, confirmation was obtained, proved during the Soviet era, ... the West is just rot. They cannot live honestly according to the laws they have written ... that they are in the trade ... that in the sport, they lose ... then the sanctions go in. Their bubbling on the subject of the omnipotence of law and law, is confirmed only in that part ... the one who has more is more right and a club is right.
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  17. Bakht
    Bakht 8 December 2017 17: 26 New
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    December 12th final decision. I am not in Russia. But I was born in the USSR and I am also offended by the State. I want to remind everyone that there is a war. And in this war there are the dead. Those athletes who do not get to the Olympics or refuse, this is the victims of this war. There are no losses. So the tears that they were preparing and so on are not worth a damn. It is just a choice between betrayal and feat. Commit an act of betrayal and perform under the white flag (as symbolically) or die at your combat post.
    In this war, Russia suffered its first major defeat. On the sports map of the world, the country of the Russian Federation no longer exists. And do not fool yourself. Russia was destroyed in sport. But to kneel or die standing now is a moral choice. You can wear a white bandage police officer. You can spit in the face of the enemy.
    The best poem (in my opinion)
    "... For in this war
    We did not know the differences:
    Those that are alive, that have fallen -
    We were on a par with.
    And no one before us
    Of the living not in debt,
    Who is the hand of our banner
    Picked up on the run ... "
    1. lance
      lance 8 December 2017 19: 15 New
      +1
      very early on defeat, the war is just ahead .....
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 8 December 2017 19: 45 New
        11
        Defeat in one battle is not a loss of war. The war is on and not yet over. But in order to win, one must fight, and not crouch in front of the enemy.
        It's just about that. You must not give up. It is necessary to respond to the blow. Muzzle in the blood? Nothing. The main enemy to send to the cemetery. In the meantime, I see polls of 75% for the boycott. But 25% for surrendering. This is a lot.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 8 December 2017 20: 37 New
          +5
          And above it’s the opposite - 99 to 1. And this is the worst.
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 8 December 2017 22: 02 New
            +5
            Well, actually Putin can be exchanged not only for anal or kshyushchad !! lol If you joke you can find those who are enemies for Russia on the Maltese cross asshole pull !! good
            Bullied all sorts of evil bastards screaming from TV "how can you not be afraid to fight against America?" and here we are NOT AFRAID am . It is better to die in battle with your head raised, than to die slowly in slave chains.
            1. papas-57
              papas-57 8 December 2017 22: 58 New
              +4
              '' If you can joke, you can find those who are enemies for Russia on the Maltese cross asshole pull !! '' Now there are no such upstairs. Everyone is busy collecting loot for themselves, their children and grandchildren. And grown up children need to be attached to money at a non-dusty job.
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 9 December 2017 10: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Bakht
      In this war, Russia suffered its first major defeat.

      How famously do you compare the Olympics with the war! Nothing on my face cracked? You see, the majority of people at the Olympics to pump, if the war comes to your house - you can not ignore it.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 9 December 2017 17: 22 New
        +2
        Pick up the expressions. This is the first. Secondly, I'm not the only one comparing. I affirm that the war is on. And sport is one of the directions ...
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 9 December 2017 18: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Bakht
          I affirm that the war is on. And sport is one of the directions ...

          So you are all mistaken, the Olympics is not a war, not even close.
          Quote: Bakht
          Pick up the expressions.

          I can address these same words to you.
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 9 December 2017 19: 23 New
            +2
            I always follow my words. Unlike you. So look first in the mirror. And look what cracked there
            As for the Olympics and War. If you consider war only shooting, then of course this is not war. But modern warfare is also the Olympics. I will not dissuade. Hundreds of publications stating that this is a war have passed your attention. Stay with yours. I consider it a war.
            Drive the words Olympiad and war into a search engine and read. This is if you want just an opinion. You can read the "Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation". Adopted in 2014. It clearly states how preparations for war are being conducted. And you can read special literature on the psychological and informational preparation for war.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 9 December 2017 20: 43 New
              0
              Quote: Bakht
              So look first in the mirror.

              Again, turn these words to yourself.
              Quote: Bakht
              As for the Olympics and War. If you consider war only shooting, then of course this is not war.

              War is a very concrete concept and the phrase "doping war" does not equate sport with a real war. And the loss of athletes who did not go to the Olympiad is just zero without a stick, let them change their profession.
              Quote: Bakht
              Drive the words Olympiad and war into a search engine and read.

              Truth is not determined by voting.
              Quote: Bakht
              "Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation" Adopted in 2014. It clearly states how preparations for war are being conducted. And you can read special literature on the psychological and informational preparation for war.

              And what does the Olympics have to do with it?
              Quote: Bakht
              Stay with yours. I consider it a war.

              And walking the dog is an offensive military operation. And the satisfaction of the wife is a deep breakthrough. You are simply ridiculous in your errors.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 9 December 2017 21: 01 New
                +2
                Your tone does not honor you. Your face will definitely not crack.
                Everything else is words and words. You think so, I think differently. By the way, sarcasm is not the tone in which you can discuss something. You voiced your opinion. I am mine.
                Live in peace ... Who is ridiculous and who is stupid - will be revealed later.
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 9 December 2017 21: 03 New
                  0
                  http://inosmi.ru/social/20171208/240960260.html
                  "From the point of view of Russia, this is a war" Just a quote

                  https://www.sport-express.ru/olympics/rio2016/ath
                  letics / reviews / 1012277 /
                  "Lost War" Just the title of the article
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 9 December 2017 21: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: Bakht
                    "From the point of view of Russia, this is a war" Just a quote

                    Quote: Bakht
                    "Lost War" Just the title of the article

                    Did you go too far with pathos?
                    Quote: Bakht
                    Live in peace ... Who is ridiculous and who is stupid - will be revealed later.

                    How can I if the war seems to be different everywhere.
                    1. Bakht
                      Bakht 9 December 2017 22: 18 New
                      +1
                      No, I did not go too far. The name of the topic under which you write, look.
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 9 December 2017 22: 20 New
                        0
                        Quote: Bakht
                        No, I did not go too far. The name of the topic under which you write, look.

                        Why watch it? A name as a name, what's wrong with it?
  18. Grandfather Talash
    Grandfather Talash 8 December 2017 17: 32 New
    11
    They’ll go, they’ll go to drink ... and there will be various arguments ... from the same Russian citizen of Korean descent ... this, again, money ... and those "medals" that will be earned there under a white sheet will be to be presented as a flight into space ... And the closure of the OI under the Russian flag will actually mean surrender .. Since in ancient Rome prisoners and slaves are led at the end of the column ..
  19. fif21
    fif21 8 December 2017 17: 33 New
    +7
    Not athletes of Russia are disqualified, but OK RF officials.
    The US is also wary of sending its own national team, for security reasons. Individual athletes or teams can perform independently, this is their right. But athletes from Russia will not represent their country, and naive to hope for Mercedes, apartments, prizes from the Russian Federation. I am against the taxpayer. For me, the Olympics, where there is no national team of my country, is not interesting.
    Therefore, I support the idea of ​​holding alternative winter competitions for national teams from around the world. And may the strongest win. hi
  20. Bakht
    Bakht 8 December 2017 17: 52 New
    20
    There can only be one solution. There is no alternative and cannot be. Complete refusal of the Olympics at the state level. Losses: Huge. Failure to attend the next Olympics is possible. There is a risk of losing the Football Championship. But those who think that bowing their heads will save this championship are naive. He’ll be taken away anyway.
    Complete refusal of the Olympics, refusal to broadcast, non-adoption of a decision by the IOC. Failure to pay 15 million. We have to pay big forfeits. Pay all the forfeits and spit on the IOC and the entire Olympic movement. Bring all national sports organizations under the jurisdiction of Russia. Money? Spit on the money. Honor is not for sale. "We need one victory. One for all. We will not stand for the price."
    And everyone will know that Russia will not bend. And now this is not obvious.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 December 2017 20: 39 New
      +4
      There is a risk of losing the Football Championship


      Risk? Naive fears. He will either not be allowed to conduct, or will be scammed to impossibility.
    2. ghby
      ghby 10 December 2017 12: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Bakht
      Complete refusal of the Olympics, refusal to broadcast, non-adoption of a decision by the IOC. Failure to pay 15 million. We have to pay big forfeits. Pay all the forfeits and spit on the IOC and the entire Olympic movement. Bring all national sports organizations under the jurisdiction of Russia. Money? Spit on the money. Honor is not for sale. "We need one Victory. One for all. We will not stand for the price."


      good good good
  21. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 8 December 2017 18: 05 New
    12
    Our power is slurred, corrupt and cunning. Such people, in principle, are not able to somehow respond to the West.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 December 2017 20: 40 New
      +2
      You forgot to quote the first word. And everything will fall into place.
  22. Altona
    Altona 8 December 2017 18: 10 New
    13
    Those who want to come to this Olympics have died for me. Even if they win the badge from the IOC there, they can be proud of them as an oligarch bought with a "yacht acquired by overworked money in Russia". I will not consider these medals as Russian.
  23. Altona
    Altona 8 December 2017 18: 51 New
    12
    Today, a certain A. Zhukov, a disqualified member of the IOC, was broadcasting from the Duma rostrum that "the Olympic movement will be closed for us for a long time if we announce a boycott. We must go and prove it." I think that if the Olympic movement has died, then there is no need to reanimate it in this form and one should not go to this shame in order to encourage someone's money wish.
    PS When Moscow in 1984 and Washington in 1980 declared a boycott, no sanctions were imposed by the IOC. The IOC simply washed and pretended that there was nothing. You should not be afraid of missing 4 Olympic cycles if we are a truly great sports nation.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 8 December 2017 19: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: Altona
      if we are a truly great sports power.

      Dear Altona! hi All our greatness has remained in our glorious socialist past and there is still a nuclear club, which we inherited from it. Well, that's all ...
      1. ser-pov
        ser-pov 8 December 2017 20: 20 New
        +8
        Dear Stroporez! And where did the Russian honor go? What about conscience? Greatness remains, and not only it relates to finance and nuclear batons! We are Russians! It's a shame for the state ..
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 8 December 2017 20: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: ser-pov
          And where did the Russian honor go? What about conscience?

          It depends on whom? if those in power hold, so they sold everything for trinkets, the ability to ruthlessly rob the country and Western passports. And you and I were sold in bulk and retail for priests chants.
          Quote: ser-pov
          Greatness remains, and not only it relates to finance and nuclear batons! We are Russians! It's a shame for the state ..

          Dear ser-pov! If .. "Greatness" remained, we would not have tolerated this shooter for 27 years, standing in the position of the machine gun of the designer Degtyarev, and threw her to hell.
          But For the Power it’s really insulting, and the further it is, the more insulting it will be if we stay at all as a nation.
          Here is my sad tale. hi
          1. ser-pov
            ser-pov 8 December 2017 22: 07 New
            +2
            What? Another revolution? Ukraine is not enough? Enough 90 axles! And what are you calling for, everything went to hell, let's sweep the government? Yes, by the way, Degtyarev's machine gun stood confidently, with the desire to tear an egg to everyone who does not agree with this ...
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 8 December 2017 22: 53 New
              +3
              Quote: ser-pov
              What? Another revolution? Ukraine is not enough?

              Outskirts are the fruit of our "great" foreign policy.
              Quote: ser-pov
              Enough 90 axles! And what are you calling for, everything went to hell, let's sweep the government?

              Read the comments carefully.
              Quote: ser-pov
              Yes, by the way, Degtyarev's machine gun stood confidently, with the desire to tear an egg to everyone who does not agree with this ...

              I think we are talking about different things what Well, it’s more convenient for someone if in the “pose”, so it’s about one bottom, but if he stood like the soldier who won the Victory, that’s Greatness! soldier
              1. ser-pov
                ser-pov 9 December 2017 23: 38 New
                0
                This is the weapon of VICTORY! And do not compare it with dubious poses ....
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 10 December 2017 00: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ser-pov
                  This is the weapon of VICTORY!

                  Yes sir! soldier
                  Quote: ser-pov
                  And do not compare it with dubious poses ....

                  I’m not going to tell you about allegories, I’ll just say it easier, does Putin have a bribe in your head? Duc, this is not my problem, it is necessary to go for treatment., However. wink
                  1. ser-pov
                    ser-pov 10 December 2017 13: 36 New
                    0
                    Do you have an alternative to Putin? Share your thoughts, but there’s no need to advise going treated big mind ...
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    2. Bakht
      Bakht 8 December 2017 19: 23 New
      12
      Perhaps the Duma still does not understand the foundations of politics.
      Always, at all times, with any system, the surrender of the flag meant surrender. No other interpretation exists in nature. There is nothing to discuss here. This is an axiom. This is the basis of any relationship between states. Putting a flag is a shame. There are things from which it is impossible to retreat. How much to pay penalties? A trifle. There is money in the budget. There are times when you can’t retreat. The flag, anthem, national emblem are shrines. Nobody has the right to encroach on them. For this they beat to death. And do not care how much it will cost.
      And such as Zhukov - immediately drive from any structure. His maximum position is a janitor. For more he is not good.
      1. fif21
        fif21 8 December 2017 19: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: Bakht
        Probably, the Duma still does not understand the fundamentals of politics. Always, at all times, with any system, the delivery of the flag meant surrender. No other interpretation exists in nature. There is nothing to discuss here.
        Allow me to disagree with you in that the sport is politics. And having politicized sport, politicians turned it into a means of political struggle. I watched Zhukov, and his thesis, “angered enemies”, didn’t really appeal to me. Sport is a sporting event where there are winners, but no enemies. Functionaries need to be driven away from politics from sports; they turn sports competitions into a political show. hi
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 8 December 2017 20: 03 New
          +5
          Allow me to disagree with you. Sport is politics. And the economy is also politics. And even a kindergarten and free education. This is all politics. And eternal peace does not shine for us for a very long time. We are declared war. Long. The system, the name of the country and the leaders do not matter. USSR (Russia) must be destroyed. And to provide the Golden Billion with raw materials and resources. This is the fate of slaves. And any damage is done in any direction. It is possible in sports - a blow is struck in sports. This is the IOC can talk about that sport is out of politics.
          1. fif21
            fif21 8 December 2017 21: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Bakht
            Sport is politics. And the economy is also politics. And even a kindergarten and free education. This is all politics. And eternal peace does not shine for us for a very long time.
            Is it possible without politics? laughing Just sports, economics, education ...
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 8 December 2017 21: 19 New
              +3
              I would like, but it doesn’t work out. It would be just a sport - they would not discuss why it is impossible without a banner.
            2. Mih1974
              Mih1974 8 December 2017 22: 07 New
              +5
              You can also sport without politics - for example, “American football” or “bast shoes”. There is no politics because they only tear inside themselves. But as soon as there is a competition of more than one country - immediately appears politics !! Maybe at first the politicians will ignore such as tennis or competitions in the "robot wars" (toy), but quickly enough it comes to the big screens and mustaches - politicians turn their attention and away we go.
          2. fif21
            fif21 8 December 2017 21: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Bakht
            We are declared war. Long. The system, the name of the country and the leaders do not matter. USSR (Russia) must be destroyed. And to provide the Golden Billion with raw materials and resources. This is the fate of slaves.
            This is "noodle on the ears" wassat Are you conquered, can you go skiing in the forest, or sit around a campfire with a fishing rod? hi Joe Dispenza - the power of the subconscious, read at your leisure hi
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 8 December 2017 21: 25 New
              +1
              Well, consider that "noodles." You clearly have peace with the whole world. I think otherwise ...
      2. hohkn
        hohkn 9 December 2017 14: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Bakht
        And such as Zhukov - immediately drive from any structure. His maximum position is a janitor. For more he is not good.

        In some Semizadrishchensk beyond the Arctic Circle. No closer.
    3. lance
      lance 8 December 2017 19: 28 New
      +2
      those who are confident in the forces must go to the Olympics, they will pay for the Mok. By the way, the verdict will be confirmed - whether such a staff of 800 people of officials on Olympus is needed. the fact that all today's lawyers from international law must leave their posts unequivocally. Competitors themselves must decide whether to conduct clown medals from such an Olympiad or leave them on pedestals so that they will not be deprived later. the country is able to cast its own from any metal with the ribbon of the Russian Federation.
      1. X Y Z
        X Y Z 8 December 2017 20: 03 New
        +5
        Of course pay! Indeed, with this visit all their decisions are legitimized, including those regarding the "dirty" Olympics in Sochi. They will do a lot, if only one athlete came from Russia. After all, then there will be an answer to any arguments - you yourself participated. And they participated, that means they agreed with everything!
        1. lance
          lance 8 December 2017 20: 28 New
          +2
          What did you agree with? with the conditions provided not contested by the government of their country? this is the business of lawyers and not athletes. Now is not a war. according to your logic, the Kiev dynamo who won the Nazis in 42 are all traitors? wake up with rage. the government and lawyers must work, and athletes are confronted with the fact. murkily and bugs instead of organizing a trial of vada and mok for Argentina began to lick, and licked. West licking loves even with an addiction, says lick on.
  24. seacap
    seacap 8 December 2017 19: 15 New
    10
    Well, did you play enough of capitalism, became good for everyone, despite the humiliation and whimpering, agreements with everyone and everything, with the distribution of all wealth and resources? And now we compare the professionalism, business qualities and the workload of the Soviet government, and so on. capitalist after 25 years of work, starting with starting conditions. Some began with the most difficult conditions of a completely destroyed country, more precisely even without it, without governing bodies and administration, with an illiterate population, without a banking system and economy, in complete blockade. These are with the destruction a leading world power, with enormous scientific and production potential, with a competent and united multinational, patriotic society, brought up on the ideas of humanism and universal values. After 25 years, the first waged the most difficult war in the history of our people, for 20 years turning the country into a world power with huge scientific and economic potential and most importantly, created a new society of people capable of any labor and combat feat, he and with their results, the work forced the former enemies to become our allies and treat us with respect. And our present, "effective managers" (with rare exceptions) are inactive, extremely unprofessional, but ambitious, greedy and corrupt, with difficulty understanding where they got and what is it all around, preoccupied only with how to please the owner and how to make a smart physiognomy in time, solving mainly their personal problems. With their inaction, and often with direct sabotage, they destroyed everything that they touched, there is nothing to be proud of. and they don’t understand that there is a war going on, a war to destroy us, it’s time to understand that we need highly professional, extraordinary and talented people, in the worst case, executive and patriotic, rooting for the task entrusted, and not for their chair and pocket. this is an episode, in March they will already forget about this show, as it was in the summer. Was it all from Canada, what is wise and his company didn’t know about it? Why did they allow that the IOC and WADA have such rights that appointments leaders and athletes over the national, why WADA can suspend someone or check for decades, and not just a month, for example after the game, then dissolve. I got a medal, they didn’t find doping right away, all this is a fait accompli and cannot be discussed, it should be so. Again, these are the results of the work of our "effective managers"
  25. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 8 December 2017 19: 22 New
    +5
    We definitely need to hold alternative games in Sochi. Moreover, the entire infrastructure is there, and completely new. But the "guarantor" seems to be again "leaked". Churchill said well: "If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it receives both war and shame."
  26. Altona
    Altona 8 December 2017 19: 25 New
    +7
    Quote: Stroporez
    All our greatness has remained in our glorious socialist past.

    ---------------------------
    Thanks for the "dear". About "greatness" is also clear. I was the standard bearer of the pioneer squad at school, then the Komsomol organization, they put me on guard only at post No. 1 in the army, they also trusted me to carry the unit’s banner (I wasn’t the standard standard bearer, replaced a couple of times, my height is 184 cm). The presence of a flag or banner for me is not an empty phrase or a thing in itself, especially when you are leading a column, but on the sides are two lieutenants with drawn sabers. I can’t imagine how you can perform without a flag and anthem. hi
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 8 December 2017 19: 54 New
      +5
      Just you should know what happens to the part if the banner is lost. Is this even understood by the Government or in the Duma? No banner - no part. And it is being disbanded.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 8 December 2017 22: 38 New
      +7
      Quote: Altona
      I can’t imagine how you can perform without a flag and anthem.

      I clearly understand who our true enemies are at the moment. Where are our successes in foreign policy, which Putin’s team constantly repeats? Or should I be proud of a naturalized Korean who, for the amusement of those in power, granted 3 medals for three Lexus and a full board for life? And how many are youth sports schools? And I really feel like a drum millionaire Sharapova, all my life living abroad, also caught in doping.
      Inflated oi-2014 on stolen money and spent in the subtropics on the cottage of the “Lord of the Rings” and the same inflated doping victory ...
      Is it really fun?
      And as for the next foreign policy zilch of power, so why be surprised?
      And I don’t give a damn about the second string of gas gas, the more they will sell gas belonging to the whole people, and not to them (the Sechins, Timchens, Rotenbergs, Putin, Medvedevs) and feed the parasites, the greater the chance that people will wake up.
  27. Altona
    Altona 8 December 2017 19: 30 New
    0
    Quote: Bakht
    Perhaps the Duma still does not understand the foundations of politics.

    ----------------------------
    The Duma just understands the fundamentals of politics; the Government does not understand and does not want to understand.
    1. lance
      lance 8 December 2017 20: 31 New
      0
      so it’s necessary to work for this, and our government is only able to skim the cream, and the best ones.
  28. Scopolamine
    Scopolamine 8 December 2017 19: 31 New
    0
    And what prevents Jamaican bandits from hiring preventative educational work. I would be thrown off.
  29. NordUral
    NordUral 8 December 2017 20: 13 New
    +9
    I am ashamed of the country and of "our" liberal treacherous power.
    The country, the spot-athletes and us, the people of Russia, have been humiliated. And the supreme power pretends that nothing special happens.
    And shifts the burden of decision to athletes. Although the president’s duty is to protect our athletes and the honor of the country.
    But for him, corporate profits are much more important, and it is already completely incomprehensible to anyone who actually belongs.
    Even the rotting Soviet apparatus gave a tough response to the boycott of the Moscow Olympics. The same ones were wiped off with a handkerchief, and we are offered to smear the snot with a palm and wipe ourselves again.
    But he could have said weightily and harshly in reply to the West, but he did not.
    Sochi is empty as a sports ground - so organize your fair games there for fair sports. But no, silence.
    Well, let's wait, what the athletes themselves decide.
  30. thekhohol
    thekhohol 8 December 2017 20: 21 New
    0
    All sofa analysts here do not take into account one nuance - athletes.
    For many athletes, participation in the Olympics is the goal of a lifetime. they have exactly ONE chance in a lifetime to try to become an Olympic Champion.
    An example is rhythmic gymnastics. There win girls 12-14 years old. At 8-10 years old, they _not_ able to participate on an equal footing (the body is not formed), at 16-18 they _number_ can not (by the standards of this sport, 16 years old are “old women”). With rare exceptions.
    And so in almost all sports.
    Therefore, "Putin leaked" can be regarded as a half-boycott:
    * we do not like the position of the IOC, therefore, the Russian Federation, as a country, is distancing itself from OI-2018
    * but we give _chance_ to athletes to earn the [possibly] unique Olympic Gold Medal in their life. In the end, the athlete achieved this opportunity not so much thanks to the “care of the state” as by his determination and his personal hard work.

    This is just a compromise. Between the image of the state and the desire of athletes: "if you really need and have the strength to withstand pressure, go." This is normal HPP. "The Olympic champion from Russia" sounds no worse than the "Olympic champion of the Russian team."

    Well, there, you see, there will be "polite doctors", "polite trainers", vacationers some thread ...

    Time is short, it is necessary to solve quickly. The evening is just beginning, but it has ceased to be languid.
    Therefore, there is no need for sudden movements.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 9 December 2017 10: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: thekhohol
      For many athletes, participation in the Olympics is the goal of a lifetime. they have exactly ONE chance in a lifetime to try to become an Olympic Champion.

      Oleg Peshkov also did not dream of ejecting from a burning plane.
    2. hohkn
      hohkn 9 December 2017 16: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: thekhohol
      but we give _chance_ to the athletes to earn the [possibly] unique Olympic Gold Medal in their life. In the end, the athlete achieved this opportunity not so much thanks to the “care of the state” as by his determination and his personal hard work.

      About Peshkov already written. And besides him there are enough guys who gave their lives for their homeland. They also had a choice. In particular, the one I knew personally. Fedor also had a choice - to retreat along with everyone, but then half or more would not have reached the shelter, or burn him alive in the BRDM, covering his colleagues. He chose the second. But besides him, none of the soldiers died anymore. Honor and Glory to him. Here the choice is much easier. Refusal of a dream or betrayal. I regard it that way. I have the honor.
    3. Puma
      Puma 10 December 2017 03: 12 New
      0
      Quote: thekhohol

      An example is rhythmic gymnastics. There win girls 12-14 years old. At 8-10 years old, they _not_ able to participate on an equal footing (the body is not formed), at 16-18 they _number_ can not (by the standards of this sport, 16 years old are “old women”). With rare exceptions.
      And so in almost all sports.

      Have you collapsed from oak? Before 14, no one would even admit to adult competitions. And to the Olympics from 16. Further everything depends on natural data and good luck. It is quite possible 2 Olympic cycle "live". The champion of Rio became one at 21. And this is the most “transient” sport. There is nothing to talk about others. In addition, rhythmic gymnastics is not related to the winter games ... The rest is your "sheet" of the same "expert" quality ...
  31. Altona
    Altona 8 December 2017 20: 47 New
    +9
    Quote: thekhohol
    All sofa analysts here do not take into account one nuance - athletes.
    For many athletes, participation in the Olympics is the goal of a lifetime. they have exactly ONE chance in a lifetime to try to become an Olympic Champion.
    An example is rhythmic gymnastics. There win girls 12-14 years old. At 8-10 years old, they _not_ able to participate on an equal footing (the body is not formed), at 16-18 they _number_ can not (by the standards of this sport, 16 years old are “old women”). With rare exceptions.
    And so in almost all sports.


    I am answering your acute question on the topic "understand, forgive."
  32. Hunter
    Hunter 8 December 2017 20: 48 New
    +9
    There is no real SPORT in Russia for a long time .. This is Moscow, there let it deal with its own!
    And we are organizing real sporting events in the province, even if they are not so colorful and moneyy, but HONEST and such a thunder is in the audience, sincere EVERYTHING! And your showdown there for loot ... We ALL in Russia do not care and again ... On your moki, etc. Real SPORT will come from the province, as in the days of the USSR!
  33. Altona
    Altona 8 December 2017 20: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Bakht
    Just you should know what happens to the part if the banner is lost.

    -------------------------------
    Of course, behind the watch post No. 1, the text of the Military Oath and the Regulation on the Battle Banner.
    PS I send my regards to Baku, so I served in a communications training course in 1988, military unit 89598. hi
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 8 December 2017 21: 04 New
      +1
      I will definitely say hello to Baku. Since 1988, he has changed a lot. soldier
  34. Bakht
    Bakht 8 December 2017 20: 56 New
    0
    "No one forbids wearing a T-shirt with the Russian tricolor under a tracksuit, and singing the anthem to yourself." Silver medalist of the 2006 Turin Olympic Games Nikolay Kruglov
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 8 December 2017 21: 56 New
      +7
      Quote: Bakht
      a T-shirt with a Russian tricolor for a tracksuit, and sing the anthem to yourself. "

      Inspired by: Conspiracy apartment Knipovich. Knock on the door. Ilyich enters, - urgently feed and hide! But before (in a whisper): "Hostile whirlwinds blow over us, dark forces oppress us evilly ..." Such a hat .... am am am In principle, the vector is set, then everyone will think up their own excuses, yeah.
    2. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 9 December 2017 12: 25 New
      +1
      If I remember correctly the media reports on this scandal, the IOC intends to closely monitor all methods of national self-identification of medalists under the Olympic flag and to harshly suppress attempts. In other words, for a T-shirt with our tricolor, the IOC can also deprive of a medal.
    3. Yanakolos
      Yanakolos 9 December 2017 14: 26 New
      0
      none. but nasty somehow. shallowly. out of the blue...
  35. Radikal
    Radikal 8 December 2017 20: 56 New
    +5
    Quote: Galleon
    In my opinion, the conflict with the IOC and WADA revealed the following problems:
    - international organizations in sports and not only in sports are under the control of our enemies - sweeping accusations are proof of this,
    - doping in some part really took place: Zhukov apologized for him, Mutko was disqualified for him, Rodchenkov was kept for him in RUSADA, the Americans knew that and dragged Rodchenkov to him.
    With such sources, the actions of our bodies, individuals and the media are understandable and understandable.
    How can I go to war with WADA and IOC? How can one win in such a war? I have no answers, I’ll be very surprised if there are any.

    Thoughts of the "defeatist"! If thoughts like yours would be “visited” by the heads of our leadership in 1941 - I can imagine how it would end! sad
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 8 December 2017 21: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      Quote: Galleon
      In my opinion, the conflict with the IOC and WADA revealed the following problems:
      - international organizations in sports and not only in sports are under the control of our enemies - sweeping accusations are proof of this,
      - doping in some part really took place: Zhukov apologized for him, Mutko was disqualified for him, Rodchenkov was kept for him in RUSADA, the Americans knew that and dragged Rodchenkov to him.
      With such sources, the actions of our bodies, individuals and the media are understandable and understandable.
      How can I go to war with WADA and IOC? How can one win in such a war? I have no answers, I’ll be very surprised if there are any.

      Thoughts of the "defeatist"! If thoughts like yours would be “visited” by the heads of our leadership in 1941 - I can imagine how it would end! sad



      You and your kind are not ashamed to vulgarize the war and the tragedy of the millions who died by these stupid test tube comparisons? .... what kind of people are you ...
  36. Cetron
    Cetron 8 December 2017 21: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: thekhohol
    This is just a compromise. Between the image of the state and the desire of athletes: "if you really need and have the strength to withstand pressure, go." This is normal HPP. "Olympic champion from Russia" sounds no worse than "Olympic champion of the Russian national team"

    A. Vlasov was also a general from Russia. And millions of our citizens stolen in the Reich are just slaves from Russia.
  37. Altona
    Altona 8 December 2017 22: 15 New
    +6
    Quote: Bakht
    I will definitely say hello to Baku. Since 1988, he has changed a lot.

    -----------------------------------------------
    POSITION

    ON THE BATTLE BANNER OF THE MILITARY PART OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE USSR




    1. The Banner of War of the military unit of the USSR Armed Forces is a symbol of military honor, valor and glory, it is a reminder to each soldier of the Armed Forces of the USSR about his sacred duty to faithfully serve the Soviet Motherland, to defend it courageously and skillfully, to defend every inch of the native land from the enemy, not sparing his blood and life itself.

    2. The Battle Banner is awarded to a military unit upon its formation on behalf of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR by a representative of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR.

    3. The Banner of War is retained by the military unit for the whole time regardless of the change in the name and numbering of the unit. Changes in the name and numbering of the military unit are entered in the Certificate issued at the time of delivery of the Battle Banner.

    4. The Battle Banner is always located with its unit, and on the battlefield - in the area of ​​combat operations of the unit.

    5. The entire personnel of the unit is obliged to selflessly and courageously defend the Battle Banner in battle and prevent its capture by the enemy.

    In the event of the loss of the Banner of War, the unit commander and military personnel directly guilty of such a disgrace shall be subject to the trial of a military tribunal, and the military unit to be disbanded.
    ----------------------------------
    But today's so-called Russian politicians and the so-called Russian athletes do not give a damn about it.
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  38. Suhow
    Suhow 9 December 2017 00: 39 New
    +2
    In my non-RF opinion, there’s nothing ... why go there after this, and you should forget about the contributions for a while.
    1. Yanakolos
      Yanakolos 9 December 2017 14: 25 New
      0
      Support.
  39. kiprei
    kiprei 9 December 2017 00: 41 New
    0
    It’s bad that soon the athletes will understand that no one will win anything under the Russian flag and the Ivanovs, Petrovs, Sidorovs will go under the Slovak, Slovenian, German and other flags to speak, prostitution in one word. Hope I'm wrong.
  40. Radikal
    Radikal 9 December 2017 01: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Town Hall
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: Galleon
    In my opinion, the conflict with the IOC and WADA revealed the following problems:
    - international organizations in sports and not only in sports are under the control of our enemies - sweeping accusations are proof of this,
    - doping in some part really took place: Zhukov apologized for him, Mutko was disqualified for him, Rodchenkov was kept for him in RUSADA, the Americans knew that and dragged Rodchenkov to him.
    With such sources, the actions of our bodies, individuals and the media are understandable and understandable.
    How can I go to war with WADA and IOC? How can one win in such a war? I have no answers, I’ll be very surprised if there are any.

    Thoughts of the "defeatist"! If thoughts like yours would be “visited” by the heads of our leadership in 1941 - I can imagine how it would end! sad



    You and your kind are not ashamed to vulgarize the war and the tragedy of the millions who died by these stupid test tube comparisons? .... what kind of people are you ...
    It’s such an idiotic analogy that occurred to you, so don’t have to blame it on your healthy one! stop
  41. Conductor
    Conductor 9 December 2017 06: 22 New
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    Tank 34 to the stadium. And IL 2. to show it with my own eyes.
  42. bandabas
    bandabas 9 December 2017 08: 21 New
    +2
    And the next one will be the 2018 World Cup .. Well, and why, do we need a blacksmith? We do not need a blacksmith.
  43. Evgtan
    Evgtan 9 December 2017 09: 37 New
    +4
    they laughed that history didn’t teach anything to the bourgeois .. And then the hop, and they grew up, who forgot history. And they think that cheese in a mousetrap is better than a hunger strike.
  44. Antares
    Antares 9 December 2017 11: 22 New
    +1
    Your more informed person
    more than informed person

    already said everything
    “Firstly, it must be said bluntly that we are partly to blame for this, because we gave rise to this. And secondly, I think that this occasion was used in a not entirely honest way, to put it mildly. No system of peace law provides for collective responsibility. ”

    somehow justifying it is no longer funny. Sanctions, fear of Russia, apologies ..
    We would also be invited to come to the opening ceremony in white camouflage uniforms with machine guns.
    The system does not need to be justified - at this moment it is precisely its fault that it cannot protect, but it can justify itself and go on about it.
    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 9 December 2017 14: 43 New
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      The system that we are not able to withstand now has been building up for 100 years: the creation of the Fed (1913), the adoption of the Bretton Woods Agreement (1944), the unilateral cancellation of the Bretton Woods Agreement by Nixon (1971), and now the United States has not only a financial monopoly, but also political. You can take your resolutions to the UN, your decisions in the "international" courts and committees. We sold the created alternative for jeans and chewing gum, and for the new one we still haven't got dozens of years. The existing system is a historical creation, what is done is done, at least justify, at least not justify. Now there’s not enough political will to be better late than never, but to begin to formulate a new alternative.
  45. Overlock
    Overlock 9 December 2017 13: 41 New
    +3
    A small country has more pride than a large:
    Kosovo judokas will not take part in the World Judo Masters 2017 competitions in St. Petersburg on December 16-17, the Kosovo team coach Driton Cook said on his Facebook page. This decision is due to the fact that the Russian Foreign Ministry warned Kosovo athletes that participation in competitions is possible only without state symbols Kosovo’s self-proclaimed flag of the World Judo Federation.
  46. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 9 December 2017 13: 49 New
    +6
    Found in the internet. But I will subscribe to every word.

    “I never watch the Olympics, I don’t root there for anyone and I consider this whole big sport an artificially grown and absolutely useless thing,” the artist and blogger wrote on Facebook.
    "Do athletes protect the honor of the country? The honor of the country is when pensioners can afford to go to the seaside instead of hanging out at industrial stalls selling cheap arrears. These are new schools and kindergartens. These are roads and hospitals. Affordable housing and decent pay This is the honor of the country.
    And when one skier got ahead of another skier by three hundredths of a second - this, of course, I apologize for some shit, not an honor. I don’t need such an honor. I'm skiing just like that, without proving anything to anyone.
    And who in general attacks this very honor all the time, if it is constantly defended? You saw? Me not.
    Our team has proven to the world. What does it prove? You prove to the whole world that we have the best medicine and education, and the prices for housing and communal services are the lowest. This will be a proof! Everyone will get fucked up, I guarantee! They will come to watch and envy! Emigration to the country will be unprecedented! Americans and Europeans will pick up phones at the embassy in ours. Visas beg for residence permits. And when four hefty foreheads sit in an enameled basin and ride from the mountain in it - what does that prove? Which theorem? That the four healthy foreheads have nothing to do so much that they are struggling with this kind of sport?
    In general, this bobsleigh - what kind of sport is this? What is he developing? Okay, the fourth one on the team is the last one. At least he disperses this Caudle and then jumps himself. There are no basics of dexterity needed, okay. And the first three? They just sat and sit. Nothing depends on them there at all. They don’t turn pedals or row oars. Just sit in the basin and ride. And at the same time, for some reason, they ate too much dope! Well, why should you? Where do you need it ?! Are you better off sitting on him, or what? You are motionless ballast, stupid for weight. What is wrong? What does all this prove to anyone? Ours so well rolled into a basin from a hill, yours never dreamed! We are cool! So what? Well, nonsense.
    It's a pity for athletes - many write. They trained, trained, and suddenly this. They have something to do with it. Well it never happens guys. Such all athletes are honest, honest, and insidious officials are so cunning, cunning. And nobody knows anything!
    - On, drink this thing!
    - Oh, coach, what is it?
    - It's just a little vitamin!
    - Yes? Okay!
    It already does not roll in kindergarten, such excuses. I did not know, I did not think, they told me and I did - well, laughter.
    That is their sport - the meaning of life. What is the meaning of life - to overtake everyone in ice skating? Guys, life was created for another. If its meaning was skating, everything would look different there, believe me! And if people laugh at your meaning of life, try to find a less ridiculous meaning. Life is big. There are a lot of things in it. And ice skating is great, but not fundamental.
    And such are all heartfelt. Here - people tried, trained, and them ... Here people worked all their lives from bell to bell at the factory, and bang them - eleven thousand pensions and do not deny yourself anything! Run, there in "Pyaterochka" on the stock they give stale nooks! And nothing, no one is outraged. Angry posts are not written about the fact that people have been trying all their lives, and now they’re like that.
    So less drama. Do normal sports. For yourself. And not in order to defend the honor of the country and prove to the whole world. The world is much older than you and does not need your evidence. "
    1. Yanakolos
      Yanakolos 9 December 2017 14: 23 New
      +1
      I strongly disagree, but I can’t say that you are completely wrong. In some ways, they are very right, unfortunately :(
    2. valerei
      valerei 9 December 2017 14: 46 New
      +1
      Bravo, Sergey Kozhokar! To the very point. Add: And football! Sport number 1, where and why! Some kind of universal violent insanity, even a measure is increasingly being applied to measure something like a football field! Rave.
  47. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 9 December 2017 13: 53 New
    +3
    At the Olympics you need to send the boy Kolya from Urengoy. Can’t they even give him a medal?
    1. Radikal
      Radikal 9 December 2017 18: 06 New
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      He already “won” all at his Olympiads, and therefore ended up in the Bundestag! wassat
  48. Yanakolos
    Yanakolos 9 December 2017 14: 17 New
    +1
    The country has cheated on itself! By the way, I have been doing this for a long time. Since 2011, Russia has been a leader in the number of violations of the norms and rules of doping control. Only in Russia was there such a widespread use of illegal drugs and mechanisms for concealing this use. Blaming others for their own shit is absurd [/ quote]
    Well, you and chuck, Alex ...
  49. Alexander Mazin
    Alexander Mazin 9 December 2017 14: 19 New
    +1
    The IOC and the West, in addition to the goals mentioned by the author, need Russia to abandon the Vlasov flag and stand under the white banner of surrender. Therefore, the IOC wants to help our athletes come to Korea, and drink the cup of contempt and shame in full. And therefore, any of our contact with WADA and the IOC, on their site, will certainly be losing for us. And the participation of our athletes at the Olympic Games (not only at these, but also subsequent games) will be an act of betrayal of the Motherland.
    What to do? It is necessary to make claims against Greece, for it was she who formulated the philosophy and ideology of the current OI, and it was she who authorized the current fraudulent and bandit games in Korea, sending the Olympic flame there. If the Greeks still had at least a drop of conscience and honor, then they simply must withdraw this fire and admit that their philosophical and ideological base of the OI is morally outdated, since apart from fraudulent fraud (with money and political pressure) this base can no longer contain anything. Especially sports. For the Greeks did not tell us why people need to play football, hockey, basketball and other games? Today, without answers to these questions, it makes no sense to compete.
    Can the Greeks formulate a new philosophical and ideological base? Let them try and offer. In any case, they were invited to do this in the summer of 2017, but, as we see, there is no result. What did they do? Sent. As it turned out today, loved ones.
    Who can create a new JI Charter? Only Russia. No one else has enough brains. Will Russia do it? Will she take charge of world sports (and not just sports)? Hardly. In any case, Putin has already refused to work in this direction, he is closer to support, and to cooperate with the world sports (political, financial, energy, etc.) mafia. So we have no prospects (and not only ours). One thing is surprising: why is Putin comfortable with the current pre-catastrophic state of civilization? Is it really just because of the ability to download loot? I see no other explanation for his inaction.
  50. Navigator Basov
    Navigator Basov 9 December 2017 14: 27 New
    +2
    I think that real athletes should refuse from shameful participation (they boycotted already, and not with the current commercial state of sports, but on torn veins), and the state should help them survive this stage, at least somehow compensate for the violation of their rights. It is necessary to strengthen the prestige of the Russian championships, bring the size of cash bonuses for victories in them to the level of cash bonuses for victories in the Olympic Games, in the end, start already thinking about the future and really create an alternative to the Olympic games bought with giblets. In the framework of the SCO, for example. And you need to create not only alternative Goodwill Games, but all alternative international sports structures: federations, associations, leagues, a committee, a sports arbitration court. Wait, what’s worth the trifle, you’ll need to create the whole alternative: an alternative to the UN, OSCE, your own international tribunal for Iraq and Libya (why aren’t they yet? For Yugoslavia immediately gathered), your own international criminal court, your own interpol, WTO , WHO, alternative reserve currency, alternative root DNS servers and Internet-governing organizations. It's a long time, but to start doing it you need to be 20 years ago, after you swallowed Kosovo. That's just an alternative to NATO does not need to be created, we do not need this misunderstanding, it is better to develop the CSTO. So it turns out, whatever you call it, but in essence CCCP 2.0. Do not want a multipolar world - get a bipolar.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 10 December 2017 07: 11 New
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      Thought is wise, but what are you? Who will create that. Their will is atrophied.
      1. Navigator Basov
        Navigator Basov 10 December 2017 14: 28 New
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        Who is it with them?