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Little Putin's Corvette Killers

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Little Putin's Corvette Killers



The word "karakurt" in translation means "Black Widow" ...

Small, but very effective and, like his spider-model, in case of emergency - deadly, the new Russian rocket ship will have to protect the shores of the Putin empire in the future.

A few days ago, the second warship of the new class, Karakurt, was solemnly launched into St. Petersburg to the delight of the Russian military and their supreme commander and President Vladimir Putin.

Estimated area of ​​application of new ships: the Black Sea - as well as the Baltic Sea coast near Kaliningrad, the former Königsberg, which, from the point of view of NATO, may already present an additional threat because of its close proximity to Poland and the Baltic States.

From the point of view of experts, the ultra-modern warship (project 22800) has no analogues: the size of a corvette, speed - like a destroyer, firepower - like a heavy cruiser, invisibility of a submarine. In addition, the relatively cheap ships of the 22800 "Karakurt" project, by the way, should cause NATO to have a sense of alarm.

These universal corvettes with their ballistic missiles for sea and land targets pose a constant danger not only for coastal cities, but even for large warships and aircraft carriers.

Because of their “invisible cap” properties, they are a target that is difficult to detect and therefore almost impossible to destroy.

In 2015, the order was given for the construction of corvettes

Officially, the creation of the "Black Wolf", as you can also translate the word "Karakurt", was announced in the summer of 2015. The stated goal: smaller and more maneuverable, but equally efficient ships for operations both near the coast and on the high seas - with the appropriate armament.

"The development is going towards the creation of universal long-range missiles that can be used both against targets onshore, and at sea and on land," said the then head of the Russian naval fleet Victor Chirkov (58).

Back in December, the first two ships of the ambitious project 22800 were laid at the Pella shipyard in St. Petersburg with the Hurricane and Typhoon. According to the original plans, at least one of these ships should be transferred to the Russian Navy back in the 2017 year.

Corvette equipment

In order for their big names to justify themselves, these ships, all of which are 65 meters long and 10 meters wide (the displacement of all 800 tons), are equipped with the best military equipment:

Tactical strike weapons: 1 × 8 UVP 3С14 for the RK П-800 “Onyx” and “Caliber-NK” missiles.
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Anti-aircraft artillery: 1 × SPECIAL Pantsir-M.

Thus, every enemy ship within 500 radius of kilometers around "Karakurt" is in danger. Ground targets can be as far as 2500 kilometers.

Weapons type AK-630M against a flying enemy.

Artillery: 1 × 1-100mm or 1 × 1-76mm automatic universal artillery installation.

At the same time, it takes less than a year to build one corvette, and the costs are much lower than building a large warship.

However, in combat qualities, they are only slightly inferior to large warships:

With a cruising range of up to 3000 nautical miles and a cruising speed of approximately 30 nodes (Russian diesel-electric engines), the corvette can not only be in autonomous navigation for 15 days, but also instantly attack and disappear just as quickly.

Corvette predecessor has already bothered the West

The fear of the Western military is not only the frightening ability of the corvette to strike and disappear (Hit and run), especially when they act as a whole compound.

Another ship class "Buyan-M", the predecessor of the corvettes, was considered stronger than any US ship in coastal battles. The new corvette is much more adapted to sea conditions, and its area of ​​application is both technically and tactically much wider. Significantly expanded its strategic capabilities.

The fact that the Russian military challenged US domination at sea and in operations using sea-based long-range cruise missiles became clear on October 7 of 2015.

At one time, the Russian navy in the Caspian Sea launched an ISIL military base with an accuracy of up to one meter of 26 cruise missiles. The distance is 1500 kilometers.

“The challenge facing us is the threat from Russian ballistic missiles from remote aviationsubmarines and other submarine and surface ships, ”said William Gortney, 62, who was once the head of the US Northern Command.

“Russia demonstrates better military power than the armed forces of the former Soviet Union, therefore today the emphasis is on quality. They now have another military doctrine, ”said the US admiral (retired from May 2016).

If the NATO military still believed that Russia was not able to go into battle with the US Navy at sea, then after the operation against ISIS it looks different ...

With ships of the new class "Karakurt", the Kremlin is now expanding the range of its actions and "responding" to NATO:

“New ground-based rocket systems in the Kaliningrad region, as well as small rocket ships, should target virtually the entire Baltic Sea — but above all the military infrastructure that NATO is building in the Baltic States,” said Ruslan Pukhov in an interview with the Izvestia newspaper.

“Instead of sticking numerically stronger and more expensive military units, Russia is building compact and few small missile and ship formations, which, however, have serious combat capabilities,” said Pukhov a year ago, when the first two ships of the previous one, the weaker class "Buyan-M" were on the way from the Black to the Baltic Sea.

This was proven by the “Black Widow” ... According to ambitious plans, by the 2022 year 18 such ships should go to sea, three of them from the Crimean shipyard “Sea”.

And one more thing: this is Putin’s first warships built on the peninsula occupied by the Russians in 2014.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 8 December 2017 05: 46
    +5
    The spider is small, but it stings painfully, it really hurts!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 8 December 2017 06: 03
      +2
      Vladimir hi Our sailors fought during the Second World War on "MO" and boats successfully and against a larger enemy. So there is experience.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 8 December 2017 06: 10
        +6
        Yes, our sailors successfully fought on any ships! hi
      2. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 8 December 2017 12: 18
        +3
        It’s not difficult for you to cite 3-4 clashes as an example? When "Our sailors fought during WWII on" MO "and boats successfully and against a larger enemy." The nerve?
        28 boats against 2 destroyers? Okay, larger, although against the same type of German ships. I am pleased to expand my knowledge.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 8 December 2017 14: 42
          +2
          Quote: Ryazanets87
          It’s not difficult for you to cite 3-4 clashes as an example? When "Our sailors fought during WWII on" MO "and boats successfully and against a larger enemy." The nerve?

          Nerva, EMNIP, besides MO and TKA, had 4 more naval armored boats.

          Maybe the battle on the island of Sukho? There, the MO-171 and TSh-100 (tug-ice) spent several hours fighting the Luftwaffe flotilla, informing the command about the situation around the island (the antenna of the island’s garrison station was shot down in the first salvo). However, there the Germans concentrated all their efforts on the capture of the island with the battery, and they rarely distracted the Defense Ministry and the army.
          1. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 8 December 2017 15: 10
            +3
            ".. there were 4 more naval armored boats." - yes, MBK 4 pieces.
        2. Protos
          Protos 8 December 2017 18: 36
          0
          The "MO" tasks are somewhat different than the "3-4 clashes."
          "In our country, sea hunters of the MO-4 type were developed during the years of the second five-year plan. Small maneuverable ships, which were immune to torpedoes due to low draft, to which two diesel engines of 1300 hp each reported speeds of up to 25 knots, were designed to hold down the actions of enemy submarines boats in coastal areas, armed with depth charges and silencers.

          The Great Patriotic War expanded the scope of combat use of hunters. From the first to the last days of the war, these ships carried various military service.

          December 1941: 12 sea hunters, who took on board about 300 fighters of the assault troops, participate in a daring landing in the Theodosius captured by the Germans. Two of them - MO-0131 and MO-013 —– the first to break into the port and land paratroopers, who are preparing to moor large ships.

          October 1942: the small hunter MO-171 participates in repelling the fascist landing on the island of Sukho. The battery of this island guarded the famous Ladoga Road of Life, along which deliveries of goods vital to besieged Leningrad.

          June 1943: MO-113 and MO-123 participate in the first convoy from the White Sea to the Arctic, consisting of the Mikoyan and Krasin icebreakers and the Litke icebreaker.

          August 1944: MO-103 drowns a German U-250 submarine in the Bierke Sound.

          August 1945: MO-27, MO-29, MO-33 and MO-34 participate in the landing in the port of Toro during the battles for South Sakhalin.

          This brief sample indicates the diversity of tasks performed on all fleets throughout the war by small sea hunters such as MO-4. "
          Copyright "TM" No. 10 1072 wink
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 8 December 2017 19: 16
            +1
            Quote: Protos
            December 1941: 12 sea hunters, who took on board about 300 fighters of the assault troops, participate in a daring landing in the Theodosius captured by the Germans.

            Yeah ... behind the backs of the MO, 1 CR, 1 KRL and 3 EM are grinning unkindly. smile Moreover, 1 CR and 3 EMs enter behind them in the harbor.
            Quote: Protos
            October 1942: the small hunter MO-171 participates in repelling the fascist landing on the island of Sukho.

            More precisely, it works as a typical "firefly" - it constantly informs the command about the situation around the island and, actively using smoke, nibbles the German landing forces from the flank and covers up the TS-100.
            Quote: Protos
            August 1944: MO-103 drowns a German U-250 submarine in the Bierke Sound.

            That is yes. But it should be noted that the Germans did everything to be sunk: they acted in the same area and attacked a small hunter with a torpedo. In short, they poked a stick into the hornet's nest. As a result, the service was dragged to the MO and SKA with particular zeal. And they dragged it: according to the recollections of the participants of the submarine, which was trying to pass underwater to shallow depths, it was visually discovered from one of the SKA - and then they immediately notified everyone around it with signal missiles. Curbed in maneuvering the submarine, it was no longer able to leave the submarine, which was constrained in maneuvering (the depth at the site of the submarine sinking was only 36 m).
      3. Conductor
        Conductor 10 December 2017 02: 24
        0
        Can you tell what and how we sunk during the Second World War? In the Baltic, Black Sea Fleet, SF. Tell me.
        1. zoknyay82
          zoknyay82 12 December 2017 16: 08
          0
          Is your internet turned off? If not, google it yourself!
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 8 December 2017 06: 05
      +5
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      The spider is small, but it stings painfully, it really hurts

      There would be no happiness, but misfortune would help ... Russia would have had a military budget more than doubled. On the advice of analysts, Aircraft carriers and other MegaHrens would begin to build. It would be garbage, under loud screams, of the same experts. And Now Having built the corvettes of Project 22800, 20386, we will smoothly move on to the larger Battle Ships
      1. 210ox
        210ox 8 December 2017 06: 15
        +2
        And this has already been done in history. After the death of most of the fleet in the Russo-Japanese .. A revival began with the destroyers ... "Volunteer", "Siberian shooter" and so on.
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The spider is small, but it stings painfully, it really hurts

        There would be no happiness, but misfortune would help ... Russia would have had a military budget more than doubled. On the advice of analysts, Aircraft carriers and other MegaHrens would begin to build. It would be garbage, under loud screams, of the same experts. And Now Having built the corvettes of Project 22800, 20386, we will smoothly move on to the larger Battle Ships
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 December 2017 11: 29
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          And this has already been done in history. After the death of most of the fleet in the Russo-Japanese .. A revival began with the destroyers ... "

          Really? And what, “Andrew the First-Called”, “Paul 1”, “John Chrysostom”, “Glory”, “Eustathius” - did the work on them stop abruptly, or what?
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 8 December 2017 14: 43
            0
            Greetings! hi
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Really? And what, “Andrew the First-Called”, “Paul 1”, “John Chrysostom”, “Glory”, “Eustathius” - did the work on them stop abruptly, or what?

            You still remember 3 ordered "Bayan". And the second "Rurik." smile
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 December 2017 11: 28
        +8
        Quote: Chertt
        It would be garbage, to loud cries of the same experts.

        Instead, we build covers for 8 calibers. Anti-submarine capabilities - zero, anti-aircraft - except to cover yourself (but to protect coastal transport at the transition is already more difficult). And the calibers ... put the usual container on the barge - there will be just as much sense, because they will be shot from the barge for land targets, and neither the karakurt nor the barge will reach the sea by sea.
        It would be better if Buyans continued to build, these though they could walk along the rivers
        1. Pancir026
          Pancir026 8 December 2017 11: 32
          0
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Anti-submarine capabilities - zero, anti-aircraft - except to cover yourself (but to protect coastal transport at the transition is already more difficult). And the calibers ... put the usual container on the barge - there will be just as much sense, because they will be shot from the barge for land targets, and neither the karakurt nor the barge will reach the sea by sea.
          It would be better if Buyans continued to build, these though they could walk along the rivers

          It’s interesting, but who benefits from this? In the sense of building a bunch of ships. Which, having shot their 8 Caliber, turn into an absolutely defenseless trough?
        2. Chertt
          Chertt 8 December 2017 11: 41
          +1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          And calibers ... put a regular container on a barge

          No, let’s carry loads on the barge, And the “Caliber” on the “Karakurt”. And then if, as you suggest, on the contrary, then the Americans’s head will explode
  2. Deck
    Deck 8 December 2017 08: 19
    10
    It was worth renaming large missile boats into small missile ships - and how it sounded! Building Ships one by one!
    And this has already been done in history. After the death of most of the fleet in the Russo-Japanese .. A revival began with the destroyers ...

    With destroyers! The shipbuilding program was adopted in 1907. From 1911 to 1916, 53 Novik type destroyers. Damned tsarism! Without oil, gas and a national leader.
    1. Chichikov
      Chichikov 8 December 2017 08: 33
      +1
      Quote: Deck
      Damned tsarism! Without oil, gas and a national leader

      Not certainly in that way.

      At the end of the XIX century. Russia has become the largest exporter of petroleum products, and at the beginning of the XX century. - also manganese and platinum. In 1913, the export of the last two goods from the country reached 14,6 and 14,1 million rubles. respectively.
      The main goods of Russian export, 1872-1913 (million rubles)
      Source: http://statehistory.ru/books/Styuart-Ross-Tompsto
      n_Rossiyskaya-vneshnyaya-torgovlya-XIX --- nachala-
      XX-v - Organizatsiya-i-finansirovanie / 4

      And the leader of Russia was - Nicholas II. Both America and Europe respected!
      1. Deck
        Deck 8 December 2017 09: 01
        +5
        And the leader of Russia was - Nicholas II. Both America and Europe respected!


        And at school, at the pioneer meetings, we were told that he was weak-willed and was under German influence (still: kings are relatives in England and Germany!)
        Before and instead of gas in your plate, chickens and eggs!
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 8 December 2017 09: 18
          0
          Quote: Deck
          Before and instead of gas in your plate, chickens and eggs!

          And instead of hemp helicopters, some other trucks and other metal there. Please recall what high-tech equipment of that time tsarist Russia exported.
          Quote: Deck
          From 1911 to 1916, Novik type destroyers were 53 pieces. Damned tsarism!

          Lying !!!! And do not blush from 1911 to 1916 30 (thirty) destroyers were BUILT. Another 28 by 1917 were in varying degrees of readiness !!!! And you didn’t mention something about the quality of some destroyers like Novik. Especially wartime ships ...
          1. Deck
            Deck 8 December 2017 12: 34
            +3
            Ay, they’ve caught a lie, I’m already ashamed!
            30 (THIRTY) destroyers
            FOR FIVE YEARS !!! Do not recall how much was built under Putin in 17 years?
            As for high-tech products - the Germans copied the Novika project for their "type V"
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 8 December 2017 14: 01
              +2
              Quote: Deck
              As for high-tech products - the Germans copied the Novika project for their "type V"

              Copy it, CARL! And did not buy them or a license for their production from the Russian Empire. Do you feel the difference?

              Quote: Deck
              30 (THIRTY) destroyers
              FOR FIVE YEARS !!! Do not recall how much was built under Putin in 17 years?

              1. Strategic missile submarine cruiser K-535 "Yuri Dolgoruky". Entry into service - 2012 year. Affiliation - Northern Fleet.
              2. Submarine nuclear torpedo K-335 "Cheetah". Entry into service - 2001 year. Affiliation - Northern Fleet.
              3. Multipurpose nuclear torpedo submarine with cruise missiles K-560 Severodvinsk. Commissioning - 2013. Affiliation - Northern Fleet
              4. Strategic missile submarine cruiser K-550 "Alexander Nevsky". Entry into service - 2013 year. Affiliation - Pacific Fleet.
              5. Strategic missile submarine "Vladimir Monomakh". Entry into operation - 10.12.14. Affiliation - Pacific Fleet.
              6. The nuclear submarine of special purpose "AS-31". Entry into service - 2010 year. Affiliation - Northern Fleet.
              7. Special-purpose diesel submarine B-90 “Sarov”. Commissioning - 2008. Affiliation - Northern Fleet
              ......
              11. Patrol ship "Yaroslav the Wise." Entry into service - 2009 year. Affiliation - Baltic Fleet.
              ........
              14. Corvette "lively". Entry into service - 2008 year. Affiliation - Baltic Fleet.
              ............
              17. Missile ship "Dagestan". Commissioning - 2012. Affiliation - Caspian Flotilla .....
              It seems that the costs for No. 1 in the short list that I have cited exceed the entire budget allocated by the tsarist government from 1911 to 1917 for the construction of the fleet.
              And the fact that it is so small, so thank you, together with Egor, who yelled why we spend money on production, if we can buy everything for our resources. You destroyed the production plants, one strangles you liberalists, not at all, and you did not have time to sell everything .You all hoped that you brought Russia to your knees? Vegetable for you to quickly run to the rescue, we just changed the tarpaulin boots to berets.
              1. Deck
                Deck 8 December 2017 16: 40
                +2
                While you tarpaulin boots on berets changed shoes at the factory built and build ships. About :
                It seems that the costs for No. 1 in the short list that I have cited exceed the entire budget allocated by the tsarist government from 1911 to 1917 for the construction of the fleet

                There were FOUR battleships there, and cruisers, and your favorite submarines. So keep polishing your berets.
                1. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 9 December 2017 02: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Deck
                  There were FOUR battleships there, and cruisers, and your favorite submarines.

                  And how did they distinguish these battleships?
                  1. Deck
                    Deck 9 December 2017 08: 19
                    +2
                    Marat and the October Revolution defended my hometown and my family from the Nazis. This is quite enough.
                    You can read about the rest in books. Continue the tarpaulin boots on the berets, and I went on to continue to rob the country laughing
        2. Chichikov
          Chichikov 8 December 2017 10: 03
          0
          Quote: Deck
          And at school, at the pioneer meetings, we were told that he was weak-willed and was under German influence (still: kings are relatives in England and Germany!)

          At the pioneer meetings, about Nicholas 2? What school did you study at, the Higher Party Party under the Central Committee of the CPSU? Then yes, I believe it!
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 8 December 2017 11: 34
            +2
            Quote: Chichikov
            about Nicholas 2

            But they didn’t tell you in Ruin or where you are broadcasting from. What is the work of Nikola2 akin to what Gorbachev did with Yeltsin?
          2. Fitter65
            Fitter65 8 December 2017 14: 07
            +1
            Quote: Chichikov
            At the pioneer meetings, about Nicholas 2? What school did you study at, the Higher Party Party under the Central Committee of the CPSU? Then yes, I believe it!

            It was they who read Pikul, there’s a comparison of Kolya with Willy. At the level of ours, only firewood could be chopped, and his cousin developed a fleet army.
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 9 December 2017 11: 29
          +1
          Quote: Deck
          Before and instead of gas in your plate, chickens and eggs!

          Deck! Well, not "gas", but there were oil and oil products!
          Or you have such selective vision: here - I see, here - I do not see, "but here they wrapped the fish" ... (c). laughing
          1. Deck
            Deck 9 December 2017 13: 34
            +2
            Net 3% of export. Is there anything to say on the case? Or will you engage in demagogy?
      2. Pancir026
        Pancir026 8 December 2017 11: 52
        0
        Quote: Chichikov
        And the leader of Russia was - Nicholas II

        Of dubious quality, the "leader" is straightforward. It was not worth it ..
        Historian Elena Prudnikova on the western roots of the fan base of Nicholas II
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcCrF1hWQtc
        1. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 8 December 2017 12: 25
          0
          They would be ashamed to write about Prudnikov. "historian" from factory copies with books like:
          - Prudnikova E.A. Joseph Dzhugashvili. The most humane person. - M.: “Yauza”, “Eksmo”, 2005
          - Prudnikova E. A. I deny you, Satan. - M.: “Yauza”, “Eksmo”, 2005
          - Prudnikova E.A. Beria. Crimes that were not. St. Petersburg: Publishing House "Neva", "Olma-Press", 2005
          And so on. Another freak-Stalinist.
        2. borov_2
          borov_2 8 December 2017 15: 28
          0
          Prudnikova puts Lenin, Stalin and the Bolsheviks on the same level, forgetting these guys (well, the person has his own opinion and the formation of the USSR - there is nothing wrong with this - only good. At least, stability in views. But why bother to run into it like that right away to the kings?):



          https://cont.ws/@antonblagin/218303

          Stalin was generally a unique phenomenon in the history of Russia. And do not put it on one level with the guys from 1917. However, you, Pantsir026, according to anyone, Nicholas II will be to blame for everything, even perestroika ... What is it there ... One would only think that the Gorbachev-Yeltsins did not come out of the USSR nomenclature. When it was necessary, they handed over everything, having thrown both party cards and the country. Already serfdom was no slaves (according to Prudnikova).
          Just ideology did not save. I wanted to eat sweet as in the West. Have your own funds and send the kids to Harvard.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 December 2017 10: 48
      +1
      Quote: Deck
      The shipbuilding program was adopted in 1907. From 1911 to 1916, 53 Novik type destroyers. Damned tsarism! Without oil, gas and a national leader.

      Huge plans. In fact, they were able to build 18 EMs for the Baltic Fleet and 13 EMs for the Black Sea Fleet. At the beginning of the WWI in the RIF, there was the only EM of this type - the head Novik.
  3. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 8 December 2017 09: 07
    +5
    As experience shows: Russians are better at fighting with small ships and with improvised means controlled by either "drops" or kaprangi no higher than the second. . The Russians do not get along with large ships - the biggest drawback is in their way: the highest command staff, starting from captains of the 1st rank, is more afraid of their superiors than the enemy.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 December 2017 11: 06
      0
      Quote: Cat Marquis
      The Russians do not get along with large ships - the biggest drawback is in their way: the highest command staff, starting from captains of the 1st rank, is more afraid of their superiors than the enemy.

      The point is not the fear of the highest command staff before the authorities - the Empress fought in the Black Sea Fleet. Yes, and “Parisian” in the Second World War for six months knocked out the resource of the GC trunks.
      The fact is that after the REV our “big pots” on each of the fleets could be counted on the fingers of one hand. And the closer to the capital, the more restrictions were imposed on their application - simply for fear of losing a valuable ship in an ordinary operation and the desire to save it for a hypothetical "big battle". The easiest thing was the Black Sea Fleet in the RIF - they had the only LKR opponent, so every fight with him could become a general battle (simply because the Turks had nothing to compensate for the loss of Yavuz).
  4. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 8 December 2017 09: 11
    +3
    From the point of view of experts, the ultra-modern warship (project 22800) has no analogues: the size of a corvette, speed - like a destroyer, firepower - like a heavy cruiser, invisibility of a submarine. In addition, the relatively cheap ships of the 22800 "Karakurt" project, by the way, should cause NATO to have a sense of alarm.
    These universal corvettes with their ballistic missiles for sea and land targets pose a constant danger not only for coastal cities, but even for large warships and aircraft carriers.
    Are destroyers very fast? I didn’t know, I thought, the smaller the ship, the higher the speed. 8 calibers is the power of a heavy cruiser (by the way, it’s Peter the Great, there aren’t any more like heavy cruisers) - then a frigate 22350 with 16 calibers then who is over the heavy cruiser fellow Well, the caliber of ballistic missiles is already completely below the baseboard ... some kind of yellow press
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 9 December 2017 12: 07
      +2
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      some kind of yellow press

      There is something ... You correctly noticed about ballistic missiles on MRK. Plus, this is the solution of strategic tasks by a ship in 800 with a displacement. Therefore, the author is not a naval special - that's for sure.
      Well, it’s completely useless to call our MRK a corvette. Corvettes - ships escorting convoys, isolating the area with missile defense and air defense tasks ... Well, it doesn’t fit in with the missile defense operations of RTOs. And their calling is to protect BMZ from the presence of large enemy NKs, blows to DesO, KON, KUGs. Work on the beach? Possibly, but this is the concern of RV NE and YES. According to the BC in the interests of the Navy - yes. And then, probably, with special ammunition in my head. And so these are normal boats to perform tasks in the A2 / AD zone.
  5. Nemesis
    Nemesis 8 December 2017 09: 20
    +6
    This is not a corvette, this is an MRK (Small Rocket Ship) ... It differs from the corvette for the worse, because it is not a universal ship .... MRK cannot independently carry out combat missions, due to the complete lack of anti-submarine defense assets and primitive air defense systems, which by and large are not able to protect the ship from either enemy aircraft or from a missile attack ... All that such RTOs really can do is replace the Soviet-built missile boats that are in service with the Russian Navy ... Such RTOs could act together with frigates 11356, being under their anti-submarine protection and under the umbrella of their air defense, reinforcing them with a salvo of anti-ship missiles, no more ... Such a detachment could consist of a pair of RTOs and one frigate 11356
  6. Taoist
    8 December 2017 10: 20
    +1
    Well, actually, since these RTOs are ships of the "near sea zone" - in general, they should operate under the umbrella of coastal air defense - and in this regard, their air defense is quite adequate. Again - thanks to the versatility of the ammunition, they can perform a wide range of tasks and in closed sea theaters they can really confidently control them. So the Germans are not in vain panicking.
  7. Bastinda
    Bastinda 8 December 2017 11: 35
    +1
    Yes, he can shoot a rocket for 500 km! And where to? About radar complexes, with such sizes, there is no question. Air Defense - perfect shooting at the Ju-87! PLO is just not there. So this is an ordinary platform for a rocket flying at a proven target.
    1. Taoist
      8 December 2017 15: 41
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      Well, firstly - for such a range, his fire control systems are sufficient. Again, do not forget about the BMZ - i.e. at least the transmission of target designation from coastal systems and A 50 ... Again, of course, we do not know the characteristics but: “Firstly, Mineral-M radar will be on board the ship. Secondly, at the same time the Karakurt will be equipped with and Track-E radar system, and Sigma-E information and control system. Air defense of a close radius — that is, self-defense. Carapace M + gun mounts - Enough - not a single ship of this size in this regard has any more. ? Well, for starters, it's still not a "convoy ship" - to fight with a submarine is not his task. Again, remember P W - that is, in the coverage area of ​​basic aviation - which is much more effective ... In general ... And any ship is primarily a platform - a weapon carrier, and in this regard, Karakurt is probably the best in the world in terms of return per ton of displacement .. .
  8. ver_
    ver_ 8 December 2017 13: 05
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    Quote: Ryazanets87
    It’s not difficult for you to cite 3-4 clashes as an example? When "Our sailors fought during WWII on" MO "and boats successfully and against a larger enemy." The nerve?
    28 boats against 2 destroyers? Okay, larger, although against the same type of German ships. I am pleased to expand my knowledge.

    .. * At the Sea Hunter * Chernyshev - the first gentleman of the Order of Alexander Nevsky in the Navy .. Commander of the hunter ..
  9. mroy
    mroy 8 December 2017 15: 02
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    Quote: Deck
    As for high-tech products - the Germans copied the Novika project for their "type V"

    For the Germans, this was especially uncomplicated. The power plant was originally German.
  10. HEATHER
    HEATHER 8 December 2017 16: 41
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    Officially about the creation of the "Black Wolf", how can I also translate the word "karakurt" Black spider.
    1. Taoist
      9 December 2017 21: 46
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      The plant is good.
  11. RF man
    RF man 8 December 2017 17: 37
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    The word "karakurt" in translation means "Black Widow" ...
    The Türks do not call him "widow". But scientifically, this species is a "widow of the steppe."
    The death rate of a bite is greatly exaggerated by human rumor.
  12. Rostislav
    Rostislav 11 December 2017 14: 31
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    the ultramodern warship (project 22800) has no analogues: the size of a corvette, speed - like a destroyer, firepower - like a heavy cruiser, invisibility of a submarine. In addition, relatively cheap.

    What else is there to add?
  13. Angina
    Angina 12 December 2017 13: 53
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    Marine specialists, please explain such an obscure moment. The add-on is tilted for less noticeability, understandably. When hit, how to deal with a fire outside? There is no handrail along the superstructure, or in a modern naval battle, if there’s "hit", then there’s nothing to put out?