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/ Russian athletes should go to the Winter Olympics-2018 in Pkhenchkhan, despite the decision of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) to remove the national team from the competition.
This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich, his words passes TASS.

“Athletes who will go to the Olympics, and we know who they are, will have a form with white, red and blue flowers. And in any case, we know that they will represent Russia. Therefore, they should go, ”said Dvorkovich. /

Do you want to look like a floor cloth? Ask Arkady - how!


Predictable - it happened! Did not become shocking news for many, the news that our country tried to humiliate. I underline - ATTEMPTED AND REDUCED! But whether this humiliation will take place fully depends on the athletes themselves. Of course, I'm talking about the primordial fuss around our Olympic team and the mortified decision of the IOC to remove our athletes from the Winter Olympics-2018. The palette of opinions about whether our athletes, who have mercifully allowed the powerful WADA to play their brightest will, are worth participating in the Olympiad or not, is a vast palette. And all put forward a variety of judgments and arguments in favor of their position. And why on this subject I can not speak, and find out - how much my opinion coincides with the opinion of many others and, accordingly, to understand how wrong I am? Speak out.

At once I want to say that (this is my opinion) the athletes of our country go to the South Caucasus and perform there under a neutral flag, without all the state attributes necessary for such an event, notОum Not "should not", not "not recommended" and not somehow more streamlined. You need to stand behind art.ОIt’s not a bright idea and highly moral brainchild of Pierre Dekuberten, how it was born and developed until the irrepressible greed and rabid ones were what the holiday of sports was turned into by the Anglo-Saxon hand sport and the unprincipled, cowardly Western politicians. money was not corrupted by a child and turned into an unprincipled machine for making money.

In my opinion, the participation of our athletes in these OIs according to the rules that the IOC selectively dictates to our country, is the adoption of a posture humiliated and persecuted. This is a humiliated acceptance of undeserved guilt and confirmation of the supremacy of whims and vile fictions of bureaucrats from all that Kodla, who for many months was sweating under the blanket of periosports intrigues, trying to bring to light, allegedly, international opinion. In fact, this is the opinion and desire of those forces that are not wealthy either politically, or sportingly, nor militarily, nor socially and, in general, are not able to conceive anything of value, since they have long been confused by such wonderful concepts, as a woman and a man. That's why they let out at sports arenas, at times, such monsters stuffed with steroids, that Frankenstein looks quite like a nice guy against their background.

And now - on the argument of those who speak in favor of our athletes going to Korea to play games.

You can hear from some (by the way from the athletes themselves, something I did not see and did not hear in the media), which is a pity for the strength and self-sacrifice that athletes spent and showed during the preparation for the Olympic Games. Yes, it is a pity. And is it right that, having brought so many sacrifices, to come to the games (and even endure the humiliation of facelessness) and face biased and boorish refereeing, to which our sworn partners are very resourceful and eager? To whom to appeal, and who will defend impersonal athletes in such cases? Who will deal with the legal support of claims of unfairly condemned athletes? The athletes themselves? And have they seen how unceremoniously, brazenly and without evidence of guilt are falsified results in all these “unbiased” and “global” ones?

Should I endure this humiliation? Let's weigh and compare. Two comes to mind historical examples - Alexander Nevsky and Peter the First. Nevsky repeatedly took on the burden of humiliation in order to save his state from the devastating raids of the Horde. That is why he came to Sarai to prevent a possible massacre of the Russian people by the Mongols. That's why he stood for days in the smoke of "cleansing" fires. " As a result, he provided the state with a period of respite and accumulated strength to defeat the Teutons and lay the foundation for the further victories of Russia, up to the overthrow of the Mongol yoke. The horde was strong. Russia was then only gaining strength and was weak. The great goal demanded great humiliation from Alexander Nevsky, and he endured it for the good of the Motherland. Are the situations equivalent - the efforts of Nevsky and the efforts of our athletes in an effort to get to the stadiums of the OI-2018 at least in a carcass, even in a scarecrow? I don't think so. Our guys will look like strangers at this celebration of life, and they will not add prestige to their country. And I am sure that bureaucrats from sports will gladly make efforts to further humiliate those already slandered and slandered. Do you think the sports fraternity will break the bureaucratic broom of the IOC? Far from it! Look, with what pleasure the brothers-athletes from other countries are ready to accept the medals of our Olympians. All sorts of "asthmatics" and "sclerosclerosis" who devour illegal drugs are already eagerly drawn to the medal re-presentation ceremony, which Bach announced (What a great name he fucked up!).

The argument in favor of the fact that our athletes, speaking at this Olympiad, will still feel like citizens of Russia is a rather weak argument. Something reminiscent of the current Ukrainian authorities, which bathe in the rays of their own - Svidomo - one hundred and forty-thousand-year-old history, which you have not scratched together in what pig-house and are very excited about this.

Our athletes are our pride. They are the children of their country and its defenders in sports battles. They are inseparable mentally from the Motherland and, therefore, should support it in its affairs and its troubles and failures, and not exacerbate the humiliation, considering that this (IOC decision) is not humiliation at all, and no one will notice. They will notice and laugh heartily when they see the bowed head of the Russian sport.

So, my opinion is that in this case, you should leave, slamming the door loudly and take your money, and not listen to the far-fetched arguments in favor of participating in the act of mocking yourself.

Well, as for the statement of A. Dvorkovich, which was submitted by some media as a statement of the Russian government, then Arkady is not a government, but its member. So he could roll into South Korea and take part in sports lists. But "I am plagued by vague doubts" (c) that he will be ashamed of him there.

Behind this, I take my leave. Written on the day of the announcement of the shameful decision of the IOC in the media regarding the participation of the Russian national team in the OI-2018.

P.S. Somehow even the language does not turn to call the upcoming games the Olympics. Only in this way - Oi-2018.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 December 2017 06: 57
    +2
    ... opinions are expressed by various parties ... let's wait on December 12, and find out if the athletes are going, who is going and whether they will go at all? ... request
    1. Alena Frolovna
      Alena Frolovna 9 December 2017 07: 07
      33
      Sellers of surrender,
      Russophobic crook,
      Be desired by the "color of the nation"
      And educate her.

      Crawlers of this profile -
      Our assembly, not a stranger,
      And with a smile of Mephistopheles
      They chew the audience with the reins

      To bend in three doom,
      I’ve sold my soul to hell
      To repent - for profit
      Runaway gang gangs

      To flag surrender
      Each of us had
      To all other nations
      They spat on us like now

      Where should the capitulators
      In the Olympic leapfrog
      We shine with talent
      Our team from nowhere!
      Yunna Moritz
      1. The black
        The black 9 December 2017 07: 20
        34
        Speaking under the white flag is humiliating, shameful .. It's the same as admitting guilt and capitulating. AGAIN! Such OIs need to be boycotted, not broadcast and not involved, if you respect yourself, gentlemen, athletes.
        1. Skay
          Skay 9 December 2017 09: 11
          10
          The white flag is the flag of surrender, loss.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 9 December 2017 09: 53
            23
            Arkady Dvorkovich:
            “Athletes who will go to the Olympics, and we know who they are, will have a uniform with white, red and blue colors. And in any case, we know that they will represent Russia. ”

            First of all, it is necessary to answer the question, who are we rooting for, for Russia at the Olympics, or for some kind of abstract athletes (for Vasya or Olfiya, for example)? Why all these tricks, then that an athlete flying a white flag can still be recognized if desired? This form of participation is still humiliating if a person is a fan of Russia!
            The fact that the government itself proposed to go to its athletes under the wrong flag, it means admitted its own helplessness (to influence the situation and protect the athletes) and let go of the situation.
            Our jingoistic patriotic media have already orientated themselves and are already trying their best to present this situation as yet another Putin victory. The headlines are coming out: "Canadians are shocked by Putin's words, they were expecting a boycott of the Olympics," "Russia plans to impose sanctions on the leadership of WADA" ... Hurray! Congratulations to all the "patriots" on the next victory of their idol.
            1. esaul
              9 December 2017 10: 24
              +9
              Quote: Stas157
              Congratulations to all the "patriots" on yet another victory of their idol

              Thanks for the congratulations, Stas. True, Vladimir Vladimirovich is not an idol for me (I generally adhere to the catchphrase - “Do not make yourself an idol”), but I am a very, very respected person, an alternative to whom I, for the moment, do not see.
              Quote: Stas157
              The headlines are coming out: "Canadians are shocked by Putin’s words, they were expecting a boycott of the Olympics,"

              Journalists, in general, tend to chase big names and throw slogans in order to attract the reader to their resource. To blame them with this is useless. Over them dominates the team of the main and the struggle for the rating. Simply, you need to read with a cold head and filter what you read.
              Quote: Stas157
              The headlines are coming out: "Canadians are shocked by Putin's words, they were expecting a boycott of the Olympics," "Russia plans to impose sanctions on the leadership of WADA" ... Hurray!

              the fact that Canadians and other near-sporting and envious trash were somewhat discouraged by Putin's response (which everyone was looking forward to), this can not be taken away. And Putin said exactly what was optimal in this situation - he made it clear that the state would OFFICIALLY not participate in a booth and would not go too far so as not to provoke a malicious reaction and, accordingly, the expected ban on the Russian team participating in all subsequent UIs. He made the only possible and correct move. For minutes, these AIs will come next and deprive athletes of the hope of participating in them - not right. And so there is a likelihood that the ghouls will somewhat reduce their bloodthirstiness. and money will not be counted and gloating will not amuse and will have to moderate the ardor for the future. Such a probability - there is and dismissing it - is not reasonable, and even if you make efforts in the upcoming struggle for the possibility of our athletes to participate in further games.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 9 December 2017 10: 40
                +9
                Quote: esaul
                Thanks for the congratulations, Stas. True, Vladimir Vladimirovich is not an idol for me (I generally adhere to the catchphrase - “Do not make yourself an idol”), but I am a very, very respected person, an alternative to whom I, for the moment, do not see.

                You are welcome! I congratulated you in my post.
                Quote: esaul
                Journalists, in general, tend to chase big names and throw slogans in order to attract the reader to their resource. To blame them with this is useless.

                Of course it is useless, because for them it is only a way to get to the central channel or to the state-owned media. A person with different views on the central channels and the Kremlin media does not get. But, here's the trouble! Not everyone wants to zombie! And, more and more people just do not watch telly, preferring to draw information on the Internet. But the Kremlin’s hands are already being launched there, forbidding Russian Internet providers to distribute certain content.
                Quote: esaul
                the fact that Canadians and other near-sporting and envious trash were somewhat discouraged by Putin's response (which everyone was looking forward to), this can not be taken away.

                Well, yes, the West is shocking itself, forbidding Russia to take part in the Olympics!)) Live on in your painted reality.
                1. esaul
                  9 December 2017 11: 11
                  +4
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Live further in your painted reality.

                  OK! And you in your own way - overlooking the trash
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 9 December 2017 11: 34
                    13
                    Quote: esaul
                    OK! And you in your own way - overlooking the trash

                    By the way, I have a beautiful view from the window. It was precisely by this criterion that I chose the apartment so that it looked good. The green park below and the eye does not rest on buildings, but on a long horizon.
                    In life, I prefer to see everything realistically, without embellishment. I don’t want to wear pink glasses, with the look of an idiot. In order not to be offended by life later, I try not to build unjustified expectations.
                    1. esaul
                      9 December 2017 12: 01
                      +6
                      Quote: Stas157
                      I don’t want to wear pink glasses, looking like an idiot.

                      Then, apparently, it is not a matter of glasses. Alas, I can’t help with anything. winked
                      1. Stas157
                        Stas157 9 December 2017 12: 27
                        +5
                        Quote: esaul
                        Then, apparently, it is not a matter of glasses. Alas, I can’t help with anything.

                        Of course you can not, because I do not need help. On the contrary! I am trying to help you by showing you from a different angle. No need to be deceived, and everything is blindly believed that they broadcast about the Kremlin, oligarchic media. Look at different sources and compare, broaden your horizons, and then, I am sure, we will see things the same way.
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 9 December 2017 17: 52
                        +7
                        Russians must consider one very important SCREAMING circumstance.
                        First of all. The decision of the Russian athlete to participate in the OI-2018 does not mean that a specially selected IOC commission will give him permission to do so. This commission will “clean” promising athletes from Russia in full as a continuation of its policy to exterminate Olympic victories on the part of Russian athletes.
                        Second. Moreover, the IOC and WADA, by their decision, did not allow OI-2018 not only some individual athletes and officials there, but the entire RUSSIAN TEAM, including doctors, coaches of our athletes, cooks, lawyers ... etc. What FOREIGN personalities from this RUSSIAN team personnel will be provided to our athletes by the IOC and will they be at all? This is an open question!
                        But the most important thing is another! Namely.
                        The IOC and WADA set for such participation of athletes from the Russian Federation in the Olympic Games-2018 an extremely provocative condition. Athletes from the Russian Federation will be admitted only if the Russian Federation recognizes WADA and the rechecking commission of WADA results from the IOC as RIGHT. For 3 of our athlete has already filed a lawsuit against WADA and personally against McLaren in a court of general jurisdiction for a lie with claims for the restoration of honor and dignity with compensation for monetary compensation for moral damage. These claims have not yet been accepted by the court. But there are 22 people of such Russian athletes!
                        therefore The IOC and WADA require the Russian Federation to recognize the results of WADA on doping tests as correct as the MAIN condition for the admission of athletes from Russia to the Olympics-2018.
                        TOTAL As a result, we HAVE the following.
                        If the Russian Federation accepts this condition by the IOC and WADA supposedly for the admission of our “pure” athletes to the Olympics-2018, then any claims against WADA and the IOC to the court of GENERAL jurisdiction from Russian athletes who are removed by them from OI-2018 and from the Russian Federation will be VALID. And our athletes and Russia will not be protected in their rights from the arbitrariness of the pro-American IOC and WADA in general NEVER and in ANY legal way!
                        Sovereign Russia cannot go for it! Only her traitors will go for it!
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 9 December 2017 22: 09
                        +1
                        Another thing to pay attention to is that the IOC is a PRIVATE office, and not an international organization of states such as the UN.
                        The IOC is, in theory, a private nightclub for organizing public holidays, when it works out the order of its richest customers and everything is built on the profit of the institution. At the same time, if the customers of the holiday told the owners of the club not to let those and those guests go on the holiday, then their customer’s request will be readily fulfilled!
                        I repeat - IOC is a private pro-American supposedly "non-profit" organization.
                        Therefore, the IOC can be completely dissolved in connection with violations by the IOC officials and the IOC Charter of the rights of athletes and countries. And create another based on international law.

                        Olympics-2018 without Russia? Evening with Vladimir Solovyov 16.11.2017
                  2. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 10 December 2017 04: 19
                    +2
                    Quote: esaul
                    And you in your own way - overlooking the trash

                    Valera drinks And you try to explain dolbyotylamam that each federation by type is a public organization. And the state, in fact, has nothing to do with it, except for renting sports complexes and the infrastructure associated with them. You will learn a lot about yourself winked
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 9 December 2017 12: 13
                10
                Quote: esaul
                True, Vladimir Vladimirovich is not an idol for me (I generally adhere to the catchphrase - "Do not make yourself an idol"), but I am a very, very respected person, an alternative to whom I, for the moment, do not see.

                The run is counted. offset laughing
                1. Winnie76
                  Winnie76 9 December 2017 12: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Quote: esaul
                  True, Vladimir Vladimirovich is not an idol for me (I generally adhere to the catchphrase - "Do not make yourself an idol"), but I am a very, very respected person, an alternative to whom I, for the moment, do not see.
                  The run is counted. offset

                  What is the alternative, carbonarium.
                  1. esaul
                    9 December 2017 12: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: Winnie76
                    What is the alternative, carbonarium

                    Are you sure you read my comment carefully?

                    I’m a very, very respected person, for whom I, for the moment, do not see alternatives.
                    1. Winnie76
                      Winnie76 9 December 2017 12: 59
                      +1
                      Dear Esaul. I quoted Stroporeza who quoted you
                      1. esaul
                        9 December 2017 13: 10
                        +1
                        Dear Vinnie, what about your words or Stroporeza?
                        Quote: Winnie76
                        ? What is the alternative carbonary?

                        I, after all, answered them, a colleague.
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 9 December 2017 13: 13
                    +3
                    Quote: Winnie76
                    What is the alternative, carbonarium.

                    Is it really interesting for you? So, perhaps, to troll .... sad
                    "Again Garibaldi remembered the story of the carbonarius and took a deep breath. ..."
                  3. esaul
                    9 December 2017 20: 34
                    0
                    Quote: Winnie76
                    What is the alternative, carbonarium

                    Reread, realized sorry drinks
                2. esaul
                  9 December 2017 12: 29
                  +4
                  laughing laughing
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  The run is counted. offset

                  It’s strange ... I’m somehow used to expressing gratitude either in words or in a letter ... And you, somehow, have an animal. Well, since you’re so used to expressing gratitude, then go on and on, since you’re more familiar
                  1. esaul
                    9 December 2017 12: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Of course you can’t, I don’t need help

                    I completely understand you. Then - are you sure that I need your attempts
                    Quote: Stas157
                    I am trying to help you by showing you from a different angle.
                    ?
                    I suggest not to teach each other. Moreover, I, in general, did not attempt to "help you."
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 9 December 2017 13: 19
                      +5
                      Quote: esaul
                      I suggest not to teach each other. Moreover, I, in general, did not attempt to "help you."

                      Like this? You did not agree and responded to my comment. And then they said, as if I asked you for help:
                      Quote: esaul
                      I can’t help, alas.
                      My comment on "help" was just an answer to your passage.
                      1. esaul
                        9 December 2017 13: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Quote: esaul
                        I suggest not to teach each other. Moreover, I, in general, did not attempt to "help you."

                        Like this? You did not agree and responded to my comment. And then they said, as if I asked you for help:
                        Quote: esaul
                        I can’t help, alas.
                        My comment on "help" was just an answer to your passage.

                        You are an amazing instance! The unwillingness of someone to help you, you interpret attempts to teach you! the first time I come across this yes
                        You are probably an intellectual remake and it gives you pleasure to crush water in a mortar. I can not share your hobby. If we talk about the event, and not engage in sophistry. Good luck in your affairs.
                      2. Stas157
                        Stas157 9 December 2017 18: 44
                        +9
                        Quote: esaul
                        You are an amazing instance! ...
                        You are probably an intellectual remake and it gives you pleasure to crush water in a mortar. ... Speaking about the event, and not engage in sophistry. Good luck in your affairs.

                        You again have all the collar on the eversion. You have accused me of everything for which they themselves are so proud! Instead of discussing the subject, you began to discuss me by going to the individual. They began to evaluate me, why they said that you “could not help” me (as if I asked you about something), wished me a “view of the trash” ... What should I say, if not rudeness? It is understandable, if a person cannot simply be an opponent in the subject under discussion, then he begins to be rude. That’s exactly what our Urya patriots do when they are baffled!
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 9 December 2017 12: 53
                    +3
                    Quote: esaul
                    .I am somehow used to expressing gratitude either in words or in a letter ...

                    Who would tell me in a letter or a word:
                    Why is sadness inherent in cows?
                    Why is she lying, doesn’t jump in the field,
                    Why does she moo as if crying?

                    And why should that cow have fun? -
                    And the milk yield is bad, and you have to calve,
                    If they feed them, poor fellow, only with hay,
                    And if something is wrong - on the back with logs.

                    And the fields are calling, but it wasn’t worth running:
                    They’ll find it anyway, by the horns - and into the stall,
                    If from childhood a cow’s soul
                    The old grandfather treats with a shepherd's whip.

                    If faith in a miracle was killed in her,
                    If it was bad and did not like,
                    If even someone is grooming and undead -
                    So this is only the one who then slaughter.

                    I caressed her and fed her chocolate,
                    And he tormented himself with a terrible mystery:
                    That she blinks and doesn’t understand,
                    That her look reminds me of something.
                    Quote: esaul
                    And you, somehow, on the animal.

                    Quote: Stroporez
                    The run is counted. offset

                    Take a closer look!
                    Sporty wink You took the set "height" fellow
                    1. esaul
                      9 December 2017 13: 03
                      +3
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Why is sadness inherent in cows? Why does she lie, doesn’t jump in the field, Why does she moo, as if crying?

                      "So here you are, little flower, scarlet!" (with)
                      Now I understand where you get such inclinations. It is understandable, thinking about cows, it is difficult to comprehend something, besides milk yield. Good luck to you on a pasture.
                      Play something on the horn with your shepherd’s cows. So that their souls unfolded ... and then - curled up ... "
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 9 December 2017 13: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: esaul
                        Play something on the horn with your shepherd’s cows. So that their souls unfolded ... and then - curled up ... "

                        laughing Well, please.
                    2. Radikal
                      Radikal 9 December 2017 19: 05
                      +9
                      Yesaul, I read your dialogue with Stroporez, and for a long time I couldn’t “grab”, which worries me in it, but nevertheless I realized - your arrogance towards the opponent, which “appears” through the lines of your comments. You know, in this you will find a grateful response among our sports, and not only officials! That's exactly the same they apply to our citizens. Maybe you are one of them, or do they have enough? laughing
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 10 December 2017 20: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Radikal
                        Your arrogance towards your opponent

                        The arrogance of the “opponent” does not bother you?
              3. savage1976
                savage1976 10 December 2017 02: 15
                +1
                Alas, they will not decrease their money, the penalty of 15 mistakes will be paid, and they will come up with a bigger penalty for the next games. There is a reason.
            2. passing
              passing 9 December 2017 17: 14
              +4
              Our jingoistic patriotic media have already orientated themselves and are already trying their best to present this situation as yet another Putin victory.

              The media is fine, here one forum member wrote that after his removal from the OI, Putin announced his nomination by this, he beat the Western leaders. And there are a lot of them
          2. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 9 December 2017 13: 50
            +7
            Quote: Skay
            ..flag of surrender, loss.

            And I have a strong impression that many are ready to chop under any flag: for future contracts, for advertising, for ... And of course, the Russian "functionaries from sports" - for which they get paid, it is not clear.
        2. Hoc vince
          Hoc vince 9 December 2017 11: 19
          +4
          "Speaking under the white flag is humiliating, shameful"
          C from the Internet: "Patriotism is for good, successful people are citizens of the world who care about the color of a rag on a stick!"
      2. Sergey-svs
        Sergey-svs 9 December 2017 07: 52
        30
        Quote: Alena Frolovna
        Merchants of surrender, Russophobic crook ...

        You should not even wait for the 12th day, ordinary Russian people have already spoken out against this POSORICHIT! yes
        1. Going to the Olympics on the terms of the IOC means admitting that Rodchenkov is right, the justice of the IOC verdict and his guilt! fool
        2. To perform in a truncated composition and without the strongest - this is to take one of the last places in the standings. And hear - “See! They can’t do anything without doping! ” negative
        PS Mikhail Shakhnazarov correctly said ..... "The IOC died back in Rio when US runners were allowed to" run over "the baton!" good
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 9 December 2017 18: 38
          10
          Absolutely right! To go to the games under the flag of the IOC means to admit that the IOC is right and ALL Russian athletes who were accused without any evidence are accused correctly.
          That Zaitseva, Voevoda, Legkov and the rest took doping.
          Thanks to those athletes who will go, that they framed their teammates, that they agreed with the charges against them.
          Secondly, it is clear that to humiliate and insult those who will go in full and condemn insolently.
          Remember Nemov, Sikharulidze, and then there were no sanctions.
          Third, does anyone really understand that the IOC has deleted Russia from the existing countries?
          Mok essentially stripped our country of the flag and anthem.
          Everything ... there is no such country, Russia.
          Otherwise, how can some public organization deprive citizens of an internationally recognized country on its flag and anthem?
          Maybe we will be banned from having a passport with the attributes of Russia?
          Maybe now I do not have the right to go to Europe in a T-shirt with the Russian tricolor?
          And Nebenzi will be required to remove the sign with the inscription Russia, and the president, when he is on a visit in the west, to remove the Russian flag from his car?
          But it will come to this if we swallow and remain silent.
          Is it really incomprehensible that all these links of one chain are being promoted by the United States, as revenge, for their failures and for the fact that Russia does not want to obey and play by their rules?
          After all, sanctions and attempts to isolate Russia are all from the same opera, and those who think that the IOC decision is irrelevant are naive.
          There is an attack on Russia in all directions and if we do not want to be devoured, we need to respond harshly.
          And the question arises, with whom to answer? With the current government?
          And the latter, only Zhukov and others like him can believe Bach that “the line has been drawn” and “there will be no more investigations”.
          Well, you can’t be such suckers, well, it’s time to understand for a long time that the West cannot be trusted.
          They broke their word countless times.
          Here at once offhand, a promise to Gorbachev not to expand the NATO bloc, guarantees of the West to Yanukovych ... those who wish can supplement it.
          They will find a reason to put pressure on Russia and further.
          The 2018 World Cup is coming, and the Summer Olympics are almost immediately there.
          There are boobies who hope that the collision with Russia will not continue? It will continue, and all their words are not worth a penny.
          Again Rodchenkov, he’ll publish something from his diary and the IOC will “believe” him, again some Maclaren, an investigation will be launched, etc.
          And let the fools then whine - but you promised.
          It is disgusting and disgusting.
          In no case DO you not agree with the conditions of the IOC for the participation of our athletes.
          This is blatant discrimination against Russian athletes and the country as a whole.
          It is necessary to state once the OCD has been suspended, so Russia has no reason to remain in the IOC.
          So it’s necessary to say that Russia also temporarily suspends its participation in the IOC and WADA, that Russia for this period, stops financing the IOC and WADA, will not buy broadcasting rights for competitions held by the IOC, that WADA and IOC officials are not allowed to enter Russia until The IOC will not reconsider its decisions, including decisions that discriminate against Russian athletes, concerning not only the flag and anthem, but also special conditions, including the number of doping tests and everything else.
          Russian athletes must participate in competitions under the same conditions as athletes from other countries. No special conditions should be.
          It’s really a pity for our athletes, but maybe my comparison will be exaggerated, but in my opinion, this is something that we would have said in the 41st, the soldier is sorry, so let's give up on Hitler right away.
          There is a war against Russia, it’s time to realize this, even if they don’t shoot, but this war is no less fierce.
          We will not give back, in all possible ways, from the media, the courts, and ending with secret operations of the special services (remember Strauss Kahn), the fierce war against us will only increase.
          But having received the answer in the teeth, many in the West will think about it, their personal skin is more expensive than the United States likes.
          In general, it’s painful, we are a great country, and it’s enough to humbly endure insults from some crooks and scum.
          And in conclusion, I have a lot of complaints about Putin, especially regarding domestic politics, but here he said only what he had to say - officially, Russia will not hinder anyone.
          Only it was necessary to add, but it will not help either, since these athletes do not represent Russia.
          But not to the public, it is quite possible to indicate that those who go will lose all support of the state in the future.
          Let them decide for themselves.
          1. esaul
            9 December 2017 20: 38
            +3
            Especially regarding the deceit of the IOC and others - I completely agree! good
          2. Karabin
            Karabin 9 December 2017 21: 41
            +3
            Quote: Ulan
            But not to the public,

            Only to the public! And in no other way. But he has already said what he said, actually blessing him with further humiliation.
      3. GAF
        GAF 9 December 2017 15: 33
        +2
        Alyona, with all due respect to poets, reality is much more prosaic than poetry. Russia is not falling apart. We must continue to search for where to hit. They expected lightning and thunder from the Kremlin towers - complete calmness in response. Poetry is attracted by passion and storm. Is the Olympics itself worth the storm of passion. What the Olympics itself turned into. A week after graduation, everyone will safely forget about it except its participants themselves, from the number of winners and losers of 0,01 second in the race. But our Crimea and forever. Syria for a long time, and much more for which the West does not forgive. And we don’t need to be driven to their “farewells”. On the balance of history, the Olympics are nothing. The incitement of passions around the bush was the goal of the "friends" of Russia. Why be carried on theirs "Wishlist". Foul regularity of timing the Olympics: 08 - Georgia; 014 - coup on the outskirts; 017 -? And extreme is Russia.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 10 December 2017 21: 00
          +1
          Quote: GAF
          On the balance of history, the Olympics are nothing.

          A ray of light in the dark kingdom is your words.
          And then lit up the debate will go-not go.
          yes to pump
    2. The black
      The black 9 December 2017 07: 25
      24
      Well, you can, of course, go to the IOC meeting and send biathletes to the Olympics .... in white and without identification marks wassat
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 9 December 2017 07: 31
        +8
        Quote: Black
        Well, you can, of course, go to the IOC meeting and send biathletes to the Olympics .... in white and without identification marks

        With SVD "sports" Dragunov rifles.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 9 December 2017 10: 21
          +3
          Quote: Amurets
          Quote: Black
          Well, you can, of course, go to the IOC meeting and send biathletes to the Olympics .... in white and without identification marks

          With SVD "sports" Dragunov rifles.

          This miracle is called SVDS (Sports Dragunov sniper rifle) ... winked
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 9 December 2017 10: 27
            +2
            Quote: PSih2097
            Quote: Amurets
            Quote: Black
            Well, you can, of course, go to the IOC meeting and send biathletes to the Olympics .... in white and without identification marks

            With SVD "sports" Dragunov rifles.

            This miracle is called SVDS (Sports Dragunov sniper rifle) ... winked

            I agree. Well, you can. Just today, not in the mood to roam sites.
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 9 December 2017 15: 21
            0
            Quote: PSih2097
            This miracle is called SVDS (Dragunov sports sniper rifle)

            You really choose one thing ...: either sniper, or sports .... wink
      2. BecmepH
        BecmepH 11 December 2017 07: 17
        0
        Quote: Black
        Well, you can, of course, go to the IOC meeting and send biathletes to the Olympics .... in white and without identification marks wassat

        A good idea, but the biathlon team ... about nothing (((
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 9 December 2017 08: 00
      +2
      let's wait on December 12th
      and what to expect skiers go anyway.
    4. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 9 December 2017 10: 28
      +9
      The blow was not inflicted on individual athletes (they are for their "democracy!" The dust of the earth - they are not for them ... like people in general)
      A blow to the sovereignty of Russia as a state. It will wipe itself off. It will remain silent. It will swallow - there will be more and more blows.
      This is facilitated by permissiveness in the camp itself for 5 columns in all regions of Russia .. As long as they are at ease in the country, there will be soil and conditions for such Western actions ..
      Regarding the "servants of the people" (dvorkovich and KO) - the cadres mean a lot, but "there are no irreplaceable ones .." "Let everyone be rewarded according to his deeds" - Unicuique secundum opera eius.

      (what an important message of Jesus .. Isn't it time to RETURN !!! ..Already in 4 sources :: 1. The Gospel of Matthew (ch. 16) ,, 2. The Psalter (ch. 61) ,, 3. The Epistle to Romans of the Holy Apostle Paul (ch. 2) ,, 4. Revelation of the Holy Apostle John the Evangelist (ch. 22)))
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 9 December 2017 18: 42
        +4
        Exactly so - "A blow to the sovereignty of Russia as a state."
        According to the IOC judge, depriving athletes, citizens of Russia, of the right to speak under their own flag and anthem, said that such a state as Russia does not exist!
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 11 December 2017 07: 20
          +1
          Quote: Ulan
          According to the IOC judge, depriving athletes, citizens of Russia, of the right to speak under their own flag and anthem

          deprived Russian athletes of citizenship
    5. Victor N
      Victor N 9 December 2017 10: 52
      +6
      It is necessary that the "athletes" know our attitude to their participation, that this is not only and not so much their personal matter, since all citizens of the country involuntarily financed their training (the authorities should also remember this). Those who travel need to be equipped with special tags so that everyone knows where to express their contempt.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 9 December 2017 11: 25
        +4
        athletes "knew
        and the officials who brought Russian sport to such a state have nothing to do with it?
    6. 7gor
      7gor 9 December 2017 20: 46
      +3
      The full sleigh riders are coming, for sure! And the skiers are going! Victor An is going! Shame on you! negative
    7. bandabas
      bandabas 9 December 2017 22: 05
      0
      Even as they will go. And those who refuse will be poked with their fingers. Like pseudo patriots.
  2. Grandfather
    Grandfather 9 December 2017 06: 58
    20
    let it all go in the woods, and the janitors and athletes are ready to perform at least in condos ... there is no more that Great country.
    1. Nonna
      Nonna 9 December 2017 08: 06
      16
      Quote: Dead Day
      Yes, it all went to the forest, and Dvorkovich


      And do not vote for Putin, because for a new term he will pull the same butlers and lightly with beetles. Do you see something positive in his next term? Me not
      1. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 9 December 2017 08: 31
        +8
        And we do not think to vote for Putin. He already voted for himself.
        1. esaul
          9 December 2017 10: 37
          +3
          Quote: Vasya Vassin
          there is no more that Great country.

          Grandfather is old, and the greatness of the country is measured by one-time defeats or only by constant victories?
          By Great Country, which country do you mean - the USSR or present Russia. If the USSR, then try to remember - has the Union always been a triumph or were there defeats? For me - the question is clear and I do not enter into polemics on this issue.
          Quote: Vasya Vassin
          And do not vote for Putin, because for a new term he will pull the same butlers and lightly with beetles. Do you see something positive in his next term? Me not

          And how do you manage to look into the future? And for whom do you call to vote - for Grigory our Yavlinsky? A good choice in order to surrender the country immediately and finally under the boots of the West. Zyuganov - so I can throw you a bunch of links to real materials because this is the same corrupt and corrupt communist as those who sold the Union for villas and accounts in Western banks. And besides, he is afraid of real responsibility, like fire. All his participation in the elections for the sole purpose is to convince everyone that only the Communists will lead the country on a bright path. If your memory is good, then you will remember what reality the communists brought us to in the 90's. Any references to single traitors are not worthwhile. "party line" was supported "thoughtlessly by most members.
          And the fact that now the country’s times are not easy is that it does not give good reason to say that Putin has exhausted himself. It's not evening yet, madam.
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 9 December 2017 18: 46
            +8
            And what is Putin indispensable? Passed already. Or is the memory short?
            That's just it, that Putin’s rivals are allowed only Yavlinsky and bulk, which he can not make real competition.
            And those who can only become such in the future are being toughly cleansed. Remember how they cleaned Primakov so that Putin became president.
            So it turns out in our country, elections, without a choice.
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 9 December 2017 21: 48
              +4
              Quote: Ulan
              elections, no choice.

              Do not thicken. There is a choice. Between Putin12 and Putin18. You know how cool he is in the 18th performance. Do not know? Watch KiselTV and read the comments of its supporters on VO.
            2. KaPToC
              KaPToC 10 December 2017 21: 13
              +1
              Quote: Ulan
              And what is Putin indispensable? Passed already. Or is the memory short?

              Do not worry, there are many such people in the KGB, there will be someone at the helm after Putin.
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 9 December 2017 09: 46
        +9
        Quote: Nonna
        And do not vote for Putin, because for a new term he will pull the same butlers and lightly with beetles.

        Well, vote for Sobchak - she will pull the whole House-2! With her, we will generally play at the Olympics as part of the US team!
        1. esaul
          9 December 2017 10: 39
          +5
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Well, vote for Sobchak - she will pull the whole House-2! With her, we will generally play at the Olympics as part of the US team

          good Like only votes for like. Recall that Ksenia called herself - "genetic rabble."
        2. Nonna
          Nonna 9 December 2017 10: 48
          +8
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Well, vote for Sobchak - she will pull the whole "House-2"


          Are you a strange type - do you measure according to your two convolutions of people? You have a two-color world. In addition, you do not need to give people advice that you are not asked about. Comment on the article, not other people's thoughts.
          1. esaul
            9 December 2017 11: 29
            +6
            Quote: Nonna
            Are you a strange type - do you measure according to your two convolutions of people?

            I probably agree with Victor
            Quote: Victor N
            For a long time, you see, the ophthalmologist was not.

            Regarding your advice
            Quote: Nonna
            In addition, you do not need to give people advice that you are not asked about.

            I will answer with your own words
            Quote: Nonna
            And do not vote for Putin

            Let people decide for themselves who to vote for.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 9 December 2017 12: 30
              +2
              Quote: esaul
              Let people decide for themselves who to vote for.

              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              Well, vote for Sobchak - she will pull the whole House-2! With her, we will generally play at the Olympics as part of the US team!
              1. esaul
                9 December 2017 12: 57
                +3
                Quote: Stroporez
                Quote: esaul
                Let people decide for themselves who to vote for.

                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                Well, vote for Sobchak - she will pull the whole House-2! With her, we will generally play at the Olympics as part of the US team!

                With you - a special case - called a clinical. By mistake, apparently, instead of the slings, they slashed along their head. belay Are you trying to shove the uncanny laughing
                "Peacocks are talking ?! Haha ... !!!"
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 9 December 2017 13: 59
                  +5
                  Quote: esaul
                  With you - a special case - called a clinical. By mistake, apparently, instead of the slings, they slashed along their head.

                  Yes wassat
                  HOW TO RECOGNIZE CREAMBREAKER? 48 BASIC PHRASES OF PROPUTIN TROLLEY. ......
                  Section 5: PHRASES ADDRESSED TO OPPONENTS OF PUTIN: 27. All kinds of names (from “liberalists” and “5 columns” and “agents of the State Department” to sub-election obscene expressions). 28. Who are you to criticize Putin? (option: go to the presidency and do everything yourself!). 29. What did YOU do for Russia? 30. Start with yourself! (do something useful and good for the country). 31. You caved in under s! (option: you sold out to the Americans!). 32. Why do you hate Russia so much? (yes, in response to criticism of Putin’s policies). 33. I do not like Russia - leave, no one is holding!
                  Quote: esaul
                  Are you trying to shove the uncanny

                  Well so it puffs at you wink edrena see the thing laughing
                  Quote: esaul
                  "Peacocks are talking ?! Haha ... !!!"

                  Aha
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 10 December 2017 21: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    HOW TO RECOGNIZE CREAMBREAKER? 48 BASIC PHRASES OF PROPUTIN TROLLEY.

                    How to identify a pan-head? He has all those who disagree - the Kremlin bots, even if they are star-flown
          2. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 9 December 2017 11: 43
            +2
            Quote: Nonna
            Are you a strange type - do you measure according to your two convolutions of people?

            What and whom to comment, let me decide! And on the account of the convolutions: it is strange to listen to a person’s reasoning about the convolutions when he himself seems to have one - the one that divides your ass in half! hi
            I hope you are not a woman! With a woman, I would not allow myself that.
            1. Nonna
              Nonna 9 December 2017 11: 55
              +4
              SRC P15. I hope you are not a woman! With a woman, I would not allow myself that.

              I never engage in polemics on this site, because I respect VO too and I don’t give a damn about the opponent’s ambitions and wounded ego. It’s easy to find other sites for trollism, and I’m completely uninterested in your statements in the spirit of “samdurak”. And do not drag gender inequality here if the gut is thin.
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 9 December 2017 12: 00
                +4
                Quote: Nonna
                I never enter into polemics on this site, because I respect too VO

                And I respect my president and I will not allow all trolls to campaign not to vote for Putin!
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 9 December 2017 12: 41
                  10
                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  And I respect my president and will not allow campaigning not to vote for Putin!

                  Wow! belay
                  Colleague! hi To me your prohibitions "to the bulb" and, to be honest, they will not add respect to your idol, as well as to you. soldier
                  1. SRC P-15
                    SRC P-15 9 December 2017 13: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Your bans to me "to the bulb"

                    Well, bark at this "light bulb"! And advise others not to vote for Putin, there is no need! hi
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 9 December 2017 14: 11
                      +7
                      Quote: СРЦ П-15
                      Well, bark at this "light bulb"!

                      Have you, the Zaputinites today, that the "rating" has fallen? laughing
                      You are all rude here! stop
                      Quote: СРЦ П-15
                      And advise others not to vote for Putin, there is no need!

                      Where did you see that I advised someone something? It’s you who are yelling like a victim, put bans, give advice not to give, you started to be rude. angry
                      Keep yourself in control, colleague. yes hi
                      1. Ulan
                        Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 04
                        +5
                        What if he can ban? Forgot that the haberdasher and cardinal is a great power.
                2. Romey
                  Romey 9 December 2017 15: 52
                  +3
                  Quote: SRC P-15
                  Quote: Nonna
                  I never enter into polemics on this site, because I respect too VO

                  And I respect my president and I will not allow all trolls to campaign not to vote for Putin!

                  Democracy in action. A hypocrite is a hypocrite, and a hypocrite is being driven ... Perhaps, sir, how is it customary for you ...
                  1. Ulan
                    Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 05
                    +3
                    That's it about me. Someone clearly delusions of grandeur rolls over.
                3. Ulan
                  Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 02
                  +3
                  How can you not allow it? Very interesting? I’m not campaigning for anyone because I don’t see any real candidates who could compete with Putin.
                  But on the forums, I won’t campaign either, because the most powerful state-owned media can’t be interrupted anyway.
                  Moreover, the election campaign has not yet begun, and Nonna hastened, with her statement.
                  And yet - how do you "not allow it"?
                  Will you press the moderator? In the FSB statement dash off? Well, very interesting.
                  You know, from the principle, when the campaigning campaign begins, I will campaign against it.
                  So that you no longer make such stupid, self-confident and narcissistic statements.
                  You are no better than Nonna, with whom you have clashed.
                  She runs ahead of the engine, and you suffer from delusions of grandeur and also make statements to her match.
                  Of course I will not agitate either for or against, this is a futile matter, I wrote all this so that you do not make such rash statements.
                  1. SRC P-15
                    SRC P-15 9 December 2017 19: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: Ulan
                    And yet - how do you "not allow it"?

                    And I will not allow those that I will not leave comments, in the style of "do not vote for Putin", without attention. Now there are so many different trolls on the site that it’s quite difficult to distinguish a really cherishing Russian from the ministers of the State Department. Suddenly, a huge number of new nicknames popped up out of nowhere, whose main goal is to belittle the role of Putin in Russia. And do not say that it seems to me: among their yell, any comment in support of our president is lost. I understand young people, but you, my peer, must figure out where the truth is and where the lie is! We who survived a large number of leaders of our state should know the price of stability. I won’t believe that you want to return chaos again - and it will happen if Putin does not remain in power.
                    Quote: Ulan
                    You suffer from megalomania

                    What megalomania are you telling me, a simple retiree moonlighting as an electrician? What is your opinion about it? That I support the course of our president? What will I break off if Putin gets out again? Do you think I hope that the pension will increase? - No, I know that this is not worth waiting for soon - the country has not yet risen to its feet, has not "grown fat." I just hope that Putin will not stop halfway and will complete what he has begun.
                    1. Ulan
                      Ulan 9 December 2017 20: 03
                      +5
                      Well, you have the right. Yes, I remember the nineties very well, as you are certainly grateful to Putin for not letting the country collapse and stopping many negative trends, and for the equidistance of the oligarchs and for maintaining the defense and reviving the army .... but I see much more that MUST be done and not done.
                      And I see that in the place of the oligarchs there came officials who are no better, or even worse, because in addition they not only steal, but also use the power to do this.
                      Yes, Putin did a lot and thank him for that, but he didn’t do even more.
                      In fact, Putin has become the president of officials, not the president of the people.
                      And I do not know how to make him listen to the aspirations of the people of Russia.
                      No one doubts that Putin will be the president of Russia, so you can ignore the troll’s campaign against Vladimir Vladimirovich, it still will not change anything.
                      So really, it remains to be hoped that in his final term, Putin will still decide on changes that are ripe and overripe.
                      And above all, it concerns the economy.
                      And the last - in order to increase pensions in our richest country, there are all possibilities.
                      True, some will have to pinch Faberge. Whether Putin decides to do so, in his last 6-year term, of the presidency, we’ll “look”, ... as my unit commander in the Poltava training school, Junior sergeant Utyushev, said.
                      It remains only to wish all of us good luck.
                      I respect you for your beliefs, although I criticize and do not approve of the harshness of the expressions.
                      Beliefs may not be accepted, but should be respected, unless of course they are Nazi.
                      In general, I understand you. Good luck.
                      1. esaul
                        9 December 2017 20: 41
                        +2
                        Quote: Ulan
                        .... but I see much more that MUST be done and not done.

                        Here, right, just the words about the haberdashery strong by the way. In a dot! yes
                      2. BecmepH
                        BecmepH 11 December 2017 07: 37
                        +1
                        Ulan!
                        Words not of a boy, but of a husband! (C)
                        Precisely, concisely, with dignity. So them ...
                4. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 11 December 2017 07: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: SRC P-15
                  Quote: Nonna
                  I never enter into polemics on this site, because I respect too VO

                  And I respect my president and I will not allow all trolls to campaign not to vote for Putin!

                  Wow! In Russia, the right to choose is openly forbidden by voting?
                  How can you not allow me to express my thoughts? You are a magician !!! Listen to the early song Pugacheva about the magician
          3. 82т11
            82т11 9 December 2017 12: 28
            +2
            Thoughts in your head, and if you said something, then be prepared to answer for your words or at least defend your opinion.
            1. esaul
              9 December 2017 13: 23
              +2
              Quote: 82т11
              Thoughts in my head

              Colleague drinks I dare to agree with our like-minded person, who said regarding Nonna:
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              it’s strange to listen to a person’s reasoning about convolutions when he himself seems to have one - the one that divides your ass in half!

              The rest is muesli drinks
        3. Ulan
          Ulan 9 December 2017 18: 51
          +7
          When there is nothing to argue, they usually answer - "do yourself ... to" You took advantage of this technique.
          But the problem is very serious, and if a person is really more for the fate of the country, it is simply indecent for a decent person to scoff at this topic.
          You dismissed the indicated problem and this is clearly not a plus for you.
          But the problem exists and it is obvious. There is no successor to Putin, but the system has been built by the current government in such a way that power rivals in the election, only such as Sobchak, are allowed.
          And of course, with such a system, the victory of the candidate from power is guaranteed.
        4. Gardamir
          Gardamir 9 December 2017 22: 06
          +4
          vote for Sobchak -
          Do you hope that many have a TV instead of a head? You are mistaken, there are people who think and understand that Putin, Navalny, Sobchak are one field of a berry.
        5. NordUral
          NordUral 11 December 2017 09: 35
          +1
          Do not distort, my friend. You are not talking about this mamzel.
      3. Victor N
        Victor N 9 December 2017 10: 55
        +1
        For a long time, you see, the ophthalmologist was not. But you still need to make out who to vote for - not to leave the country without a president.
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 11 December 2017 07: 41
          0
          Quote: Victor N
          For a long time, you see, the ophthalmologist was not. But you still need to make out who to vote for - not to leave the country without a president.

          It seems that there are no forces to leave our country without a president.
          He was, is and will be ...
    2. Cube123
      Cube123 9 December 2017 14: 22
      +3
      Quote: Dead Day
      let it all go in the woods, and the janitors and athletes are ready to perform at least in condos ... there is no more that Great country.
      \
      First of all, there is no such sport. OI is now a purely commercial enterprise in which hundreds of billions of dollars are spinning. And the decisive word is not with athletes, but with money bags. Advertisers will decide not to pay for television broadcasts, and there are no OIs, no one will know about them.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 December 2017 07: 10
    21
    The fact that some of the athletes will go in any situation was probably predicted by everyone. We assume that this is a personal choice of an athlete, and given that they were born in a "market economy", the choice is clear. But the fact is that the athletes who have traveled will fully experience the humiliation that will certainly be at the Olympics. And then in the second round you can’t transfer the arrows to sports officials anymore - I wanted it (I assumed).
    Arkady is not a government, but his member
    I will support the author - really a member, which unfortunately abounds in the president’s circle.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 9 December 2017 07: 23
      13
      I will support the author - really a member, which unfortunately abounds in the president’s circle.


      It’s true ... these members are so divorced from the real life of ordinary citizens, so they often carry stupidity after stupidity ... the virtual picture created by the GDP environment as a litmus test shows how the Russian government lives from here, and numerous economic failures, corruption and other things ... other.
      I think that the GDP sees and understands all this and the further course of his thoughts and decisions in personnel and economic policy, I refuse to understand ... there is no normal logic.
      How, for example, can foreign countries be forgiven for billions of dollars in debt, while in our zombie house there are endless requests to help sick children, victims of fire, pensioners with normal money to help them with operations, etc. ...
      I do not understand.
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 9 December 2017 11: 05
        0
        Check your patterns by logic. How does it fit into the fact that the good and generous ORIGINAL citizens spend many billions on food for their dogs and cats, while complaining about poverty when asked to help sick children. (there were such Pharisees in history .....).
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    2. dSK
      dSK 9 December 2017 07: 25
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      this is not a government

      Hello Gennady! Vladimir Vladimirovich, traditionally before the election, shakes Cabinet And this time is not far off. hi
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 9 December 2017 07: 30
        +8
        Greetings, Sergey! hi The Cabinet shakes, but only odious figures remain and, if not in the government, then become advisers and other "gurus".
        1. esaul
          9 December 2017 10: 40
          +2
          Quote: rotmistr60
          The Cabinet shakes, but only odious figures remain and, if not in the government, then become advisers and other "gurus".

          Greetings. Slowly their - odious - rows are thinning.
        2. Ulan
          Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 10
          +2
          Exactly. Where did they remove whom? All in bread positions, who are in the Federation Council, and who else is somewhere.
          Nobody has gone anywhere, and new arrivals are no better.
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 9 December 2017 12: 21
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      really a member

      That's right.
  4. fa2998
    fa2998 9 December 2017 07: 24
    +8
    Ask Arkady! -You can also ask Vova, and many express such wishes. Putin, Zhukov, Muddy everyone wants to see our athletes flying the white flag. We weren’t called, but we got into trouble! angry hi
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 9 December 2017 09: 32
      +9
      It was Putin who first said that we must go ... again, tales about the good king and bad boyars negative
      1. esaul
        9 December 2017 10: 43
        +4
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        you can ask Vova,

        But Vova replied that he would not mind if one of the athletes went as a private person. And you would like him to order - Do not let go! What hysteria do you think will break out in the "world" media? Does our country need it?
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 9 December 2017 11: 13
          +2
          Quote: esaul
          But Vova replied that he would not mind if one of the athletes went as a private person. And you would like him to order - Do not let go! What hysteria do you think will break out in the "world" media? Does our country need it?

          As private individuals, they don’t speak at the Olympics - I would like him to say that nobody will represent Russia under the white flag, the CCCP did in due time .... our country should have violet tantrums of "world" media
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 12
            +1
            They also speak in the IOC rules, for example, athletes from unrecognized countries.
            Thus, the IOC said that Russia is an unrecognized country.
      2. esaul
        9 December 2017 10: 43
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        It was Putin who first said that we must go ...

        Quote: esaul
        Vova answered - that he would not mind if one of the athletes goes as a private person
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 9 December 2017 11: 07
      +1
      I don’t know about Mutno, but Putin didn’t say anything like that, do not attribute it. Or misheard? Check it out.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 9 December 2017 14: 42
        +5
        Quote: esaul
        And you would like him to order - Do not let go! What hysteria do you think will break out in the "world" media? Does our country need it?

        What kind of leader of a nation is this if the opinion of some media is more important for him than the honor of a power and the flag that symbolizes Russia?
        Quote: esaul
        Does our country need it?
        I am ashamed to live with such cowards in one country: today you agreed to lower the flag of your country, and tomorrow you are afraid to raise aircraft to protect Russian cities. It seems to you that the flag is just a colored rag and you don’t even get close, you don’t really understand WHAT it symbolizes .
  5. X Y Z
    X Y Z 9 December 2017 07: 41
    15
    Consider the question closed. Zhukov spoke yesterday and instead of repenting and trying to get forgiveness, he continued to sing old songs such as they are bad, we are good, we need to make an agreement. At the same time, all patriotic-minded citizens were offered to shut up and not be embarrassed by thoughts of a boycott. He definitely won't be. All comers and those who have passed the filter of the commission, athletes will go to the Olympics. That is, to summarize, we did everything right, our sports officials are smart and competent, the trouble is in the “partners”, but we will agree and negotiate the best conditions. The finish.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 9 December 2017 11: 12
      +1
      And you do not shut up, he is not a decree to us! We can recommend and change the name. For example, in the name of Mutko change T to D.
    2. Hoc vince
      Hoc vince 9 December 2017 11: 25
      +4
      The West has promised to lift sanctions on Russia if a neutral flag is hoisted over the Kremlin
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 9 December 2017 13: 05
        +1
        And what is under white?
    3. Ulan
      Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 19
      +2
      And will the athletes of other countries also pass the filter, or does this only apply to athletes from Russia?
      Why are there separate rules for Russians, not like for everyone else?
      Is this not humiliation and discrimination based on nationality?
      Is it just genocide and what needs to be humiliated and agree to it?
      Maybe for Russians in Korea on the doors of restaurants, toilets, shops, and signs hang - "Russian athletes are not allowed"?
      And what if we endure, we will definitely wait.
      And I would have warned all of these Coca-Cola and McDonald's that if the raids on Russia do not stop, then all their advertisements and sales in Russia will be banned.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 December 2017 07: 46
    +2
    Oh, if our athletes could “tear” everyone at the Olympics ... The first would vote for a trip under any flag. And even without it ... But alas. But simply to "provide" statistics? Well I do not know...
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 9 December 2017 11: 17
      +5
      Not only statistics, but also income. And not only their own, but also officials from the IOC and various departments.
      IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FINANCE TRIPS TO OI-2018 FROM THE STATE BUDGET!
      1. 82т11
        82т11 9 December 2017 12: 35
        +3
        Therefore, officials agree and offer to wipe themselves and go to the Olympics. After all, they do not care about the country's prestige, the main thing is to cut money.
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 9 December 2017 21: 03
          0
          There are things that inspire from boldness that this should not be done. And often without any explanation, and the question is answered for some reason, it’s not possible. For example, you can’t steal. In the same row, you must not allow yourself to be humiliated.
          It is impossible and all without any why.
      2. Ulan
        Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 23
        +1
        Bach has already stated that since the trips of athletes are financed by the national Olympic committees, the ROC is suspended, the ROC cannot finance the trip of eligible Russian athletes.
        Bach said that the trip to the games, Russian athletes, will be funded by the IOC.
        Without a flag, without an anthem, with the money of the IOC. Jumped.
  7. German Titov
    German Titov 9 December 2017 07: 58
    +6
    Strongly agree with the author !!! As they say "real citizenship"!
  8. Chichikov
    Chichikov 9 December 2017 08: 02
    19
    Athlete under the neutral flag! And some athletes are ready to go with this status, you see, he’s been preparing for this for many years! And the defender of the Motherland, - an officer, a soldier, can fight under a neutral flag? He, too, had been preparing for this for many years?
    Excuse! You can not defend the honor of the motherland - neither a soldier nor an athlete, under a neutral flag!
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 9 December 2017 11: 04
      +1
      Quote: Chichikov
      You can not defend the honor of the motherland - neither a soldier nor an athlete, under a neutral flag!

      "Polite people" defended the interests of the motherland without callsigns and insignia! Do you deny them a feat?
      1. Chichikov
        Chichikov 9 December 2017 11: 25
        +3
        Quote: forty-eighth
        "Polite people" defended the interests of the motherland without callsigns and insignia! Do you deny them a feat?

        Scouts, too, sometimes serve in a strange uniform - not in felt boots and earflaps. Given "publicity," your message, meaningless, is nowhere. Especially in the part - "without callsigns and insignia."
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 9 December 2017 11: 31
          +1
          "Polite people" are not scouts, but soldiers. My message is specific to you. If the Motherland is needed, then both the soldier and the athlete will defend her honor both without shoulder straps, and without a flag, and where they are ordered. You do not judge the heroes.
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 24
            +2
            This is special forces, and special forces often do just that. They did not go on the attack there; they had other tasks.
            Chichikov is right.
          2. Chichikov
            Chichikov 9 December 2017 23: 12
            0
            Quote: forty-eighth
            You do not judge the heroes.

            Do not hide behind beautiful words! It was not at all in the mainstream who the hero was, but about the attitude to his homeland and the protection of its honor.
            Here, the answer to you, a true patriot of her homeland
          3. KaPToC
            KaPToC 10 December 2017 21: 56
            0
            Quote: forty-eighth
            You judge the heroes.

            We judge not heroes, but athletes.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 9 December 2017 11: 18
      0
      Prepared - for our money.
  9. Gardamir
    Gardamir 9 December 2017 08: 14
    20
    I do not understand the meaning of the article. We were told your place at the bucket. A certain kid from Petersburg said I agree. Let's rewind all rising from our knees.
    Today, our Trampushka has added new sanctions. We were thrown out of the Olympics. With the lift from its knees, a generation has grown up that is not proud of its ancestors and repents before the invaders. And the lifter himself repented more than once, then in front of the Poles, then in front of the Crimean Tatars. Commemorative plaque in honor of Nazi accomplice Mannerheim, shot thanks to E. Limonov. But there is a monument to the hanger of the people Kolchak. Say our Crimea? Crimea was allowed to take on the condition of a divorce from Ukraine. For days in Russia, the TV threshes telling what Ukrainians are villains. But look at any history textbook Kharkov, Donetsk, Mariupol, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa are native Russian cities, why aren’t they ours? Then in 2014 they didn’t scare us, but they already had sanctions and refusal of the Olympiad, and the Kremlin was friends with its partners. See how many billions of dollars were transferred to America in August. And the sanctions did not stop.
    Now tell us about the patriots from the Kremlin.
    1. esaul
      9 December 2017 10: 49
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      Let's rewind all rising from our knees.

      Let's. Read what happened in 90's with the country and you will see the difference. If you are about forty, then I am not surprised that you did not notice this difference - youthfulness is characterized by forgetfulness since Not all fortunately. In general, your comment is continuous juggling and is designed for the same forgetful ones, just like you.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 9 December 2017 11: 39
        +8
        Read
        I lived then. In the 90s there was a transition from socialism to capitalism. Preparation for what we have. And it will be worse. many of the enterprises closed in Putin's, not Yeltsin's. It was hard because people were used to calm Soviet years.
        1. esaul
          9 December 2017 11: 55
          +2
          I agree. How good is that? There is a liquefaction of the initiative. And besides, then I was faced with such a phenomenon as the suppression of initiative. In front of my eyes, extraordinary tech guys were drinking from hopelessness, due to the fact that they knocked on their heads - "Do not hang out!" These are particulars, but similar particulars pervaded the whole society. There were positive examples - I do not argue. Thanks to them, the Union resisted for the time being. And then we came to what we came to - the "elite" was rotten, and the society did not care about this "elite". Around the same, we have the opportunity to observe in Ukraine.

          Quote: Gardamir
          It was hard because people were used to calm Soviet years.

          This is the answer to these your words.
          Quote: Gardamir
          many of the enterprises closed in Putin's, not Yeltsin's

          Such statements must be confirmed by statistics, colleague. And so - it turns out just chatter.
          Quote: Gardamir
          I lived then

          I completely admit. How old are you if this is not a great secret to eat? If less than forty, then I understand your vision and comparison.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 9 December 2017 15: 28
            +7
            by statistics
            Will this go? For we have no site destroyed
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 9 December 2017 19: 32
              +8
              Gardamir,
              And what, all these enterprises until 2000 worked successfully, produced specialized products, paid salaries to staff, there were no reductions there?
              Only more accurate, because about Sergo Ordzhonikidze and the Moscow Ball, which is on Shabolovka, I am in coursework - like, what, and when.
              It happened often in those days to visit Ordzhonikidzh 7, and there both of these plants ... within walking distance ...

              Well, what will we come up with today in our defense? Gardamir?
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 9 December 2017 20: 11
                +2
                And what ball bearings we no longer need? Or, for example, the Khimvolokno enterprise?
                In the USSR in the fifties and sixties a whole industry was created - the industry for the production of chemical fibers. Many of them had to go to work. In Krasnoyarsk, Ryazan, Klin, Tver, etc.
                Where are they all now? Closed. We no longer need chemical fiber? It’s necessary, but now we are buying Turkish, by the way the Turks, and have made a lot of efforts to close these enterprises. For example, the Ryazan software Khimvolokno.
                But these are high-tech industries, where several thousand people worked. And this is the defense industry as well.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 9 December 2017 21: 06
                  +1
                  In Russia, carbon fiber is produced - including for defense.
                2. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 9 December 2017 21: 29
                  +8
                  Quote: Ulan
                  And what ball bearings we no longer need?

                  Need
                  Quote: Ulan
                  In the USSR in the fifties and sixties, a whole industry was created - the industry for the production of chemical fibers

                  I know. Father, ahem, dealt with the Grodno Khimvoloknom. But that is a special song ...
                  Quote: Ulan
                  But these are high-tech industries, where several thousand people worked. And this is the defense industry including

                  Yes you are right around stop

                  The original question was to Gardamir-u, who claimed that ALL of the enterprises listed on his list were "killed" in 2000 and beyond. At the beloved Gardamirth Putin.
                  Since I know that most of these offices went down much earlier than 2000, and I really do not like lies, I asked my question.
                  GardamirI repeat ...
                  And here you attacked me for some reason laughing
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 9 December 2017 22: 24
                    +3
                    And here you attacked me for some reason
                    because you agree with me. And do not dare to insult the "holy" nineties beloved Putin Yeltsin, in whose honor and his great deeds and Yeltsin center and other things.
                    And if the offices went down heavily, then did the lifter from its knees not lift these adjoining enterprises?
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 9 December 2017 22: 27
                      +8
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      because you agree with me

                      Blah blah blah...
                      For the "especially gifted" - I repeat the question:
                      Gardamir,
                      And what, all these enterprises until 2000 worked successfully, produced specialized products, paid salaries to staff, there were no reductions there?
                      It’s more accurate only, because about Sergo Ordzhonikidze and the Moscow Ball, which is on Shabolovka, I’m in cursors - like, what, and when.
                      It happened often in those days to visit Ordzhonikidzh 7, and there both of these plants ... within walking distance ...
                      Well, what will we come up with today in our defense? Gardamir?
                      1. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 9 December 2017 22: 40
                        +1
                        Blah blah blah...
                        For the "especially gifted" - I repeat the question:
                        Golovan Jack
                        Even if these enterprises were already lying, why didn’t the great lifter raise them?
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 9 December 2017 21: 04
              +2
              "74000 factories" - the figure is painfully familiar, oh yes the Communist Party Zyuganov one - hu ... it bursts from year to year. There are 500000 factories and plants operating in Russia, from the smallest to the largest and even Russia's GDP has increased from 2000 trillion since 13 to 92 trillion 2017 and it is good that this chemical garbage dump, with depreciation of fixed assets of 95%, was closed down by Volgograd KhIMPROM, poisoned the city and the whole area.
            3. Karabin
              Karabin 9 December 2017 22: 32
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              For we have no site destroyed

              complement
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 9 December 2017 23: 05
            0
            If less than forty
            It was just that he lived in a small town, yes, bread in lines, no work, but at the same time there really was some kind of freedom, that is, those passions that we had in Moscow and big cities.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 9 December 2017 11: 47
      +2
      Impressions from your passage - like a vinaigrette from unknown components. Try (for yourself) to structure them. At least one criterion: should the national flag be respected or not? And it will become much easier for you!
  10. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 9 December 2017 08: 22
    11
    And where does the "prestige of the country"? Big sport has long had nothing to do with the "prestige of the country." It has turned into a selfish mechanism in which, on the one hand, athletes make a name for themselves, then, to engage in coaching or other sports entrepreneurial activities when age "takes its toll ", and on the other hand, allows" sports "and other functionaries and coaches to receive funding during the training of athletes. Nobody thinks about the country there, they think about their "achievements" and money.
    1. captain
      captain 9 December 2017 10: 21
      +2
      Quote: Marquis Cat
      And where does the "prestige of the country"? Big sport has long had nothing to do with the "prestige of the country." It has turned into a selfish mechanism in which, on the one hand, athletes make a name for themselves, then, to engage in coaching or other sports entrepreneurial activities when age "takes its toll ", and on the other hand, allows" sports "and other functionaries and coaches to receive funding during the training of athletes. Nobody thinks about the country there, they think about their "achievements" and money.

      An example; Madame Sharapova.
      1. shvn
        shvn 9 December 2017 12: 56
        +2
        Is she the only one? Where did the famous skater live and work, and now the deputy of the State Duma? Remembered? Or am I confusing something? Or write a considerable number of names?
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 9 December 2017 11: 52
      +2
      Very, very true judgment!
      These "athletes" are by no means heroes! They just amuse the fed-up viewer, disfiguring themselves with training. But in general - show business.
  11. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 9 December 2017 08: 48
    +9
    And why exactly Arkady? :) In the government, not only he has this opinion, and even the president, who was to take a firm position, and defend the honor of the country. Ideally, the GDP should have called the whole country to unity, to say that the State and the Motherland are not an empty phrase, and since our athletes are forbidden to use the flag, anthem, paraphernalia, then boycott such games. The point of speaking in such an outrage? One idea recently has been to hold an alternative Olympic Games, for those who do not want to go to Korea under a neutral flag, I think this is a good option. And for those who go .... I’m sorry for Stalin, I think such a question would simply not be, and I would not be envious of those who returned. What is a neutral flag? These are essentially people - refugees, without a homeland, without an anthem, without a flag, Russian paraphernalia, but what can I say ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 9 December 2017 10: 38
      +6
      for those who don’t want to go to Korea under a neutral flag,
      Yesterday a good offer. If we had patriots in the government, we could agree with the Belarusians. The Belarusian flag is better than white.
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 9 December 2017 10: 58
        +1
        Quote: Gardamir
        Yesterday a good offer. If we had patriots in the government, we could agree with the Belarusians. The Belarusian flag is better than white.


        Also as an option.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 9 December 2017 11: 19
        +1
        Quote: Gardamir
        Yesterday a good offer. If we had patriots in the government, we could agree with the Belarusians. The Belarusian flag is better than white.

        Duc Zyuganov offered the Victory Banner.
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 30
          +1
          What anthem? Do you seriously think that the functionaries of the IOC will allow this. Only one case will be removed from the competition of all athletes from the Russian Federation.
          Prada and the Belarusian national team will not be allowed. Olympic committees are different. There is no Olympic committee of a union state.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 9 December 2017 22: 54
            +1
            Olympic committees are different
            consider Belarusians at the time of the Olympics. An became a Russian.
      3. Romey
        Romey 9 December 2017 12: 26
        +3
        It would be nice ... To be honest, I would be happy to join the Russian Federation to Belarus. Better Batsko than what sho maya ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 9 December 2017 17: 51
          +1
          Quote: romey
          Better Batsko than what sho maya ...

          I agree.
          1. Cat Marquis
            Cat Marquis 9 December 2017 19: 35
            +3
            You know, a couple of years ago a friend of mine was relaxing in a boarding house in Belarus. Like only there with Russian salaries, he was able to get adequate treatment for a hernia of the spine. So here. In the same house he lived with a Belarusian official of the "middle arm". And this official, behind a “cup of tea”, complained to him and envied that the official in Russia was “a man with a capital letter” —this was a normal salary and the ability to take bribes and other positions in society, and in Belarus a state official does not differ from the usual "hard worker", and even every bush should be afraid, like a frightened crow, absolutely "they have no life" in Belarus .....
  12. invisibility
    invisibility 9 December 2017 08: 54
    11
    [quote = Gardamir] With the lifter from its knees, a generation has grown that is not proud of its ancestors and repents before the invaders
    Golden words
    1. esaul
      9 December 2017 10: 51
      +1
      [quote = invisible] [quote = Gardamir] With a knee-lifter a generation has grown up that is not proud of its ancestors and repents before the invaders [/ quoteGold words [/ quote]
      You are mistaken the invisibility, as well as your counterpart. Remember the columns of the Immortal regiment. What do you think - who is more? Or didn’t the youth go there?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 9 December 2017 11: 42
        +5
        a shelf
        The regiment was created to replace the Victory Parade. while together, then instead.
      2. Romey
        Romey 9 December 2017 12: 31
        +4
        The Immortal Regiment was a popular action as long as it was carried out on a voluntary basis. Now it is rather an official-propaganda event, the main purpose of which is to flaunt the "patriotism" of the party, government and president. Given the general political course, I think this is nothing more than hypocrisy.
  13. X Y Z
    X Y Z 9 December 2017 08: 55
    11
    Worse is another. The done with the Olympics can be extended to other world events, because the client does not twitch and obediently goes to the stall. Let's say to recognize him, with the help of some international "independent" commission, guilty of destroying the Malaysian Boeing and expel him from the UN, depriving him of his veto. And also there will be no evidence and the return of membership only through the implementation of many and humiliating procedures. And what? The technology has been worked out and you can afford not to deny anything. And there will be plenty of cases for such events.
    1. Ulan
      Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 32
      +1
      That's it. And I talked about this. It’s not my fault, I didn’t. And you still admit, otherwise ... well, and further on the list.
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 10 December 2017 22: 05
      0
      Quote: XYZ
      because the client does not twitch and obediently goes to the stall.

      And what do you think a client should take?
  14. alex-cn
    alex-cn 9 December 2017 09: 17
    +5
    For me, so let the willing athletes go. But as individuals. No symbolism or help from the state.
    They will manage to get settled - a white flag in their mouth. And for the illegal use of the symbols of the state - in my opinion, we also have a law. And he didn’t recognize the medals, he got it all right, he himself traveled ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 9 December 2017 10: 02
      +6
      Quote: alex-cn
      For me, so let the willing athletes go. But as individuals. No symbolism or help from the state.

      I agree, but the national teams, and the hockey team, this should not concern!
  15. vlad007
    vlad007 9 December 2017 09: 24
    +1
    The IOC decided that a boycott of the Olympics is punishable by expelling the country from participation in three more Olympics.
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 9 December 2017 09: 44
      +5
      And this is not a boycott - there is a ban of the IOC on speaking to us as a country. The output of a command with a flag is not allowed. All who travel are private individuals
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 37
        +1
        Honor and advice cannot be sold for any Olympics or anything else. The US won out that the decision to go to the Korean Olympics has not yet been made.
        And if they don’t go, they will also ban three Olympics?
        Vaughn and the French doubt safety because of Kim.
        The fact of the matter is that ALL Western structures act selectively and they apply the rules established by them selectively. And what the United States will forgive, Russia will never be forgiven.
        Remember the baton lost by the Americans? Would you be allowed to run across the national team of Belarus or China, for example?
  16. afrikanez
    afrikanez 9 December 2017 09: 34
    +8
    Flirting with someone who mocks you is nothing more than masochism. I see absolutely no sense whatsoever in visiting OI2018 by our athletes. They won’t let us defeat and increase the prestige of the country (which is constantly heard from our officials, who this prestige ... spit) how to give.
  17. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 9 December 2017 09: 34
    0
    Let's weigh and compare. Two historical examples come to my mind - Alexander Nevsky and Peter the Great.
    Well, it’s clear with Nevsky, but Peter was humiliated before whom, since the author mentioned him?
    1. esaul
      9 December 2017 10: 58
      +1
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Well, it’s clear with Nevsky, but Peter was humiliated before whom, since the author mentioned him?

      I agree - an omission. He wrote quickly, after work, and missed. According to Peter - he, too, went to a kind of humiliation, having descended to a simple worker, which in those days was an unheard of thing. He did this for a lofty goal and achieved it. As for the very concept of humiliation, then everyone who knew that the Russian Autocrat was in front of them was simply afraid to show contempt because it is fraught. Especially if you have in mind to become the temper of Peter.
      I hope I answered your question?
  18. thinker
    thinker 9 December 2017 09: 47
    +3
    Well written, that's it. But here are polls on sports sites, they are ready for white flags there

    https://www.sports.ru/others/gymnastics/105814082
    9.html

    https://allhockey.ru/news/show/309375-Opros_nuzhn
    o_li_sbornoj_Rossii_ehat_na_OI_pod_nejtral_nym_fl
    agom? allComments = 1
  19. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 9 December 2017 09: 48
    10
    Dear Esaul! Your desire to elegantly remove power from under the blow, through whose fault this whole mess happened, I understand. However, the comparison of Nevsky with Putin is not very correct! When confusion and reeling is going on in Russia, when the people see that they can only hope for themselves but no matter how for power, when there is not a single figure in the country that could be hoped for and could be united around, when the power is only itself for myself, it is then that a clear and unequivocal ban on the trip of our athletes under multi-colored flags is important!
    1. esaul
      9 December 2017 11: 07
      +3
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Dear Esaul! Your desire to elegantly remove power from under the blow, through whose fault this whole mess happened, I understand.

      The fault of "this power" was not only "this" mess, dear Andrei. Through the fault of this government, the Western ghouls lost the lion's share of the proceeds from the plunder of the country's resources. Through the fault of this power, the Army was strengthened and, indeed, rose from its knees. Due to the fault of this government, they stopped kicking contemptuously, and sank to a banal meanness, thereby highlighting their vile essence. But, as I understand it, you tend to savor the failures, passing them off as weakness. We look at things differently and there is no point in persuading each other. The time and ability to draw conclusions are the best teachers.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 9 December 2017 17: 06
        0
        The fact that you have listed Yesaul so, and no one denies this fact! But the fact of the matter is that you need to move on, but then nothing else! Zatyk! I am not a fan of savoring either victory or failure. I rightly criticize the power!
  20. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 9 December 2017 09: 51
    +3
    "... then Arkady is not a government, but his member."
    Well said ..... member (!). Maybe transvest him?
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  22. tochila
    tochila 9 December 2017 11: 40
    +3
    And our skiers decided to go to the Olympics !! However, now these are NOT OUR skiers !!!!
  23. Lanatrade
    Lanatrade 9 December 2017 12: 07
    +6
    Damn, schizophrenia is complete. And the substitution of concepts. For decades, sports functionaries have provided themselves with the state. feeder due to chemical "victories." Big sport has long been turned into a big business, and business doesn’t care what flag to fly under, the main thing is to cut the dough and wash the budget ones. Only in our country sports are financed from the budget on such a scale. Shameful Mutko and the company had to be seized with confiscation, and not appointed deputy prime minister. And let “selfless” businessmen from sports humiliate themselves under the white flag, only business, nothing personal.
  24. 82т11
    82т11 9 December 2017 13: 16
    +2
    The article is interesting and makes you think, because it turns out they offer to go to OI2018 under the white flag - a sign of defeat, and even pay if I don’t confuse anything - $ 15 million.
    And like a carrot for the lure they promise to close the doping case. But who guarantees to us that in 2-3 years the awards for this Olympics will not be taken away? And the question of who will be allowed and how they will be judged, as I understand it, remains open.
    So I agree with the author to forbid athletes receiving money from the state to go to Olympics2018. If he finds and goes, the flag is in his hands ..... WHITE .... But then let him not complain that he is being humiliated.
    1. Ulan
      Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 41
      +1
      You are not listening to all the information. Bach has already said that the trip of these athletes will be financed by the IOC.
  25. Earnest
    Earnest 9 December 2017 13: 49
    +8
    Everyone will go, no one will refuse. And Putin will give money. And the prize will be paid, and in the zombie show. And we will exaggerate.
  26. polpot
    polpot 9 December 2017 14: 16
    +2
    In the terminology of Comrade Stalin, Arkasha is a warm, cosmopolitan cosmopolitan, like many athletes, Russia is a feeding place for them, we are quilted jackets that bring money for their welfare, civilization is a collective West of which they consider themselves to be part of, therefore, all teams coming from the West will fulfill and take his point of view as the only true one.
  27. kpd
    kpd 9 December 2017 14: 21
    +2
    Let them stand under the "rainbow" flag.
  28. Radikal
    Radikal 9 December 2017 14: 28
    +3
    “Athletes who will go to the Olympics, and we know who they are, will have a uniform with white, red and blue
    ... colors of lgb_t. wassat
  29. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 9 December 2017 15: 02
    +7
    D. Puchkov (Goblin) wrote the current Russian anthem:
    - Russia is our neutral power,
    Russia is our neutral country,
    Neutral will, neutral glory -
    Russia is neutral at all times!
    Performed by the president, prime minister, pr-vom, State Duma, Federation Council.
    And also the “Putin Team” led by Ovechkin: “I don’t understand how to go [to the Olympics] at my own expense?”
  30. sergo1914
    sergo1914 9 December 2017 15: 25
    +1
    Generally a very muddy topic. Even those who agree to ride with a rag must undergo an additional selection of a special “commission”. Who said she will miss everyone? Why carry 2-3 squad. Do Africa win in the team event?
    IMHO. Boycott + alternative competitions for their own with a horse prize fund. There is experience in organizing an analogue of the Olympics. Without Russia, the IOC is nothing. Moreover, the diamond of the Olympics - the hockey tournament - will be held without the NHL. That is the average player mid-game. Why do we need a victory in a short tournament?
  31. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 9 December 2017 15: 29
    +3
    (Arkady is not a government, but a member of it.)
    Here it is ...! It turns out that we have a government ... with a member! Now I understood where the words came from: "The people have a government that has it ..."! crying
  32. iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 9 December 2017 18: 42
    +1
    Somehow even the language does not dare to call the upcoming games the Olympic Games. Only in this way - OI-2018.
    I think that it is right to write and say "so-called" Olympic Games "!
  33. Ulan
    Ulan 9 December 2017 19: 07
    0
    Quote: rotmistr60
    I will support the author - really a member, which unfortunately abounds in the president’s circle.

    ------------------------------------------
    Moreover, the member is clearly narcissistic.
  34. freddyk
    freddyk 9 December 2017 20: 08
    0
    Tatyana,
    But the most important thing is another! Namely.
    The IOC and WADA set for such participation of athletes from the Russian Federation in the Olympic Games 2018 a prohibitive provocative condition. Athletes from the Russian Federation will be admitted only if the Russian Federation recognizes WADA and the rechecking commission of WADA results from the IOC as RIGHT.


    Where does this information come from? The first time I've heard.
  35. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 9 December 2017 20: 44
    +2
    Ulan,
    Your koment really, you need to cast in bronze! good
    Frantically, plus 100500 drinks
  36. fa2998
    fa2998 9 December 2017 22: 00
    0
    Quote: Victor N
    Not only statistics, but also income. And not only their own, but also officials from the IOC and various departments.
    IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FINANCE TRIPS TO OI-2018 FROM THE STATE BUDGET!

    At the same time, to stop Russia's contributions to the IOC, since we were deducted from the Olympics. And disperse our Olympic Committee, why keep sports officials who could not defend Russia, and they have already been “disqualified” abroad. And they have a solid budget, just budget bloodsuckers. angry hi hi hi
  37. Karabin
    Karabin 9 December 2017 22: 20
    +2
    So, my opinion is that in this case, you should leave, slamming the door loudly and take your money, and not listen to the far-fetched arguments in favor of participating in the act of mocking yourself.

    And here is the opinion of the head of state:We, without any doubt, will not declare any blockade, we will not prevent our Olympians from taking part if one of them wants to take part in a personal capacity. First, we must say directly that we are partly to blame for this, because we have given a reason for this. And secondly, I think that this reason was used not entirely honestly, to put it mildly.(c) Our power simply does not have Honor. And not only the "member" Dvorkovich.
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  39. savage1976
    savage1976 10 December 2017 02: 10
    +1
    Alas, our "role models" Alya athletes already substitute the ass, just to get on this holiday of life. We have no self-respecting country, country or history of athletes left. Well, Olympic sport in Russia has died. We have to teach children that, an Olympic athlete = a traitor.
  40. Awaz
    Awaz 10 December 2017 10: 28
    0
    I repeat again, but I think that we must stop whining and stupidly for a month in the summer forget about the fact that Russia will host the World Cup. To all citizens to show consciousness and not to buy tickets and not to go to matches ... This will be our civic position. However, I do not think that this will happen. There are plenty of traitors and they, like strikebreakers, will run to watch how millionaires at their own expense run around the shorn field, periodically pretending to be ..
  41. tank64rus
    tank64rus 13 December 2017 20: 53
    0
    Well, they go for medals and bring humiliation. Well, as for Dvorkovich, the author said well.