The first women tankers appeared in the Israeli army

In Israel, the first women tankers completed their training. This was reported in the Twitter of the Israeli army.

A total of 13 women were trained, reports Times of Israil. They will be sent to the southern border of Israel, where they will serve for four months.

In March, the Israeli military said it selected 15 women to participate in a pilot management training program. a tank. The goal of the program is gender equality. During training, two women dropped out. Women trained on Israeli Merkava-3 battle tanks. The program will be officially completed in March 2018. Then the military will report on its results.

Now more and more women occupy the so-called combat positions in the Israeli army. Over the past five years, the number of women in the army has increased fivefold to thousands of 2,7

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[Logall]

Female tank crew? To the joy of Hezbollah!
If war, then who will give birth to you ...?

[newcomer]

it would be better for them to cut your draft evaders radicals into the army, and they grab the ladies.

[Logall]

Garik, you can’t forbid the orthodox - haram!

[newcomer]

Well I say who is the extreme_ fair sex. meanwhile, the number of radicals is growing, and the attempts of the gos.va to accustom them to the army have failed depressingly.

[Professor]

Quote: newbie

Well I say who is the extreme_ fair sex. meanwhile, the number of radicals is growing, and the attempts of the gos.va to accustom them to the army have failed depressingly.

"radicals" who is this? If you are about orthodox, then your information is not correct.

[newcomer]

not true what?

[Professor]

Quote: newbie

not true what?

In everything. The number of draftees among Orthodox is growing rapidly. The army is already deliberately restricting their call. Speech about the "failed attempts" can not go.

[newcomer]

this is for a couple of three months then, did you manage to convince your radicals? I’ll explain now. a few months ago you had a scandal over a nickname. orthodox official (I really do not mind, I don’t remember the name of your department), complained that the number of children entering orthodox training is steadily growing, this leads to a decrease in the number of draftees. After all, the army of orthodoxes is impossible. I don’t understand, there are people among them who want to serve, I don’t argue. but the fact that their ideology, or rather, hiding behind the service of faith, they stupidly mow, is a fact.

[Professor]

Quote: newbie

this is for a couple of three months then, did you manage to convince your radicals? I’ll explain now. a few months ago you had a scandal over a nickname. orthodox official (I really do not mind, I don’t remember the name of your department), complained that the number of children entering orthodox training is steadily growing, this leads to a decrease in the number of draftees. After all, the army of orthodoxes is impossible. I don’t understand, there are people among them who want to serve, I don’t argue. but the fact that their ideology, or rather, hiding behind the service of faith, they stupidly mow, is a fact.

In Israel, they love not to love orthodox people and hang on them even those cats that should not be. The number of dos in the army is steadily growing and the army no longer knows what to do with them. Therefore, on the one hand, the army catches dozens of dodgers dodgers, and on the other hand does not call up tens of thousands of dos. And the wolves are full and the sheep are whole.

Quote: Now we are free

Sixth on the left, eeeeehhhhhhh Jewish little ...

Hunger?

[Now we are free]

Sixth on the left, eeeeehhhhhhh Jewish little ...

[NF68]

Quote: newbie

it would be better for them to cut your draft evaders radicals into the army, and they grab the ladies.

It is unlikely that there will be any sense with these radicals. And even trophies among the opponents of Israel may increase.

[newcomer]

so sorry, look what beauties, oh!

[Freeman]

Quote: NF68

Quote: newbie

it would be better for them to cut your draft evaders radicals into the army, and they grab the ladies.

It is unlikely that there will be any sense with these radicals. And even trophies among the opponents of Israel may increase.

Indeed, even in the "comic video" the girls are engaged in combat training, and "these" just dance

[Evil543]

Here is another interesting process,
How do they go to the bathhouse there,
With men or not?

[newcomer]

ah yay yay what you are however!

[Evil543]

Quote: newbie

ah yay yay what you are however!

Only for my own education

[newcomer]

Well, so am I about that.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Evil543

Here is another interesting process,
How do they go to the bathhouse there,
With men or not?

There is no bathhouse. Showers everywhere. They often go to the shower with a man. In pairs. )))

[svp67]

Quote: Logall

Female tank crew?

Exactly what ????????? It is not the business of women in this "iron box" to serve. Even in peacetime, this is a very complex and often difficult and dirty service, exactly what the female body and appearance are clearly contraindicated.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: svp67

Even in peacetime, this is a very complex and often difficult and dirty service, exactly what the female body and appearance are clearly contraindicated.

As if they don’t understand there, they already said that this was done “under the pressure of the local Valkyries who want to serve along with the others,” and so they took such a step. Show "we respect your opinion, here are a dozen tank crews and forget about it."
Well, or attempts to find tankers finally failed

[Maz]

Will shells be pulling hands too? Do the goose goose change and pull? And if it’s hard days?

[oldzek]

Well, with the gun it’s clear, automatic loader .... but the rest ....

[beeper]

Does Merkava have an automatic loader ?

[Professor]

Quote: Maz

Will shells be pulling hands too? Do the goose goose change and pull? And if it’s hard days?

And your daughter didn’t go to the army during the “difficult days”? Gimeli received?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: professor

Quote: Maz

Will shells be pulling hands too? Do the goose goose change and pull? And if it’s hard days?

And your daughter didn’t go to the army during the “difficult days”? Gimeli received?

Remember the movie Eskimo Lemon?
Morid Machtonim, you do not need a gimel, you need ...

[svp67]

Quote: Maz

Will shells be pulling hands too? Do the goose goose change and pull? And if it’s hard days?

It remains only to imagine women in such a situation ...






The service in the tank troops does not end, but rather is not limited to photo shoots ...

[svp67]

Quote: Logall

If war, then who will give birth to you ...?

This is not the case with Israel. They need to give birth BEFORE the war or AFTER, but if it really spins, then there will be no time for it ... there are too many enemies, and the territory and resources are limited.

[Herculesic]

PR pure water! Otherwise, at least a battalion would have trained personnel! And it's just for the press - everything is possible with us! Honestly, stupid and stupid idea! A tank in any army in the world is a very complex and dangerous unit, and for women in it the danger of injury is much higher than for men! I can’t even imagine in a dream how two women in a tank will change batteries in case of need !!!

[Pirogov]

Quote: Herkulesich

PR pure water! Otherwise, at least a battalion would have trained personnel! And it's just for the press - everything is possible with us!

Yes, they are already the third year this type of, news, procrastinate. and in 2010 I watched a documentary about women tank instructors in Israel. They turned there on Jewish mothers.

[sso-xnumx]

And you ask about this Maria Vasilyevna Oktyabrskaya (maiden name Gargul), Alexandra Mitrofanovna Rashchupkin, Kalinina Lyudmila Ivanovna and Ekaterina Alekseevna Petlyuk! Kingdom of heaven to them !!! And eternal memory !!! Somehow the girls coped with the T-60 and T-34.

[vinc]

For some reason, everyone just giggles at women as servicemen, they say the weaker sex, they would give birth better, but what about biotonists, gymnasts ... It's a shame to read all these comments about baths and difficult days.

[sharp-lad]

Let them go in for sports! Women must be kept away from dangers. They are our hope for the continuation of the genus and its preservation. And at the expense of gender equality - until a man gives birth, there’s nothing to talk about !!!

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Herkulesich

PR pure water! Otherwise, at least a battalion would have trained personnel! And it's just for the press - everything is possible with us! Honestly, stupid and stupid idea! A tank in any army in the world is a very complex and dangerous unit, and for women in it the danger of injury is much higher than for men! I can’t even imagine in a dream how two women in a tank will change batteries in case of need !!!

That's right. Threw a bone to the feminists.

[BAI]

We were no worse.

Alexandra Samusenko is the only female tanker who commanded a battalion during World War II ...
(died 03.03.1945)

[Same lech]

The goal of the program is gender equality.

As they say, feel the difference.
Risking the lives of beautiful girls ... expectant mothers ... because of gender equality ... ... the Jews are completely mad there.

[voyaka uh]

I would cancel.
But there are crazy girls who are eager for battle, bombarded with a statement
authorities: "we want to fight, but they discriminate against us."
They will be put on a calm Egyptian border. And check how the service goes.
It seems the guys will be tank commanders.

[Same lech]

"we want to fight, but they discriminate against us."

It is commendable of course ... but war is not the place for such talk of discrimination ... these girls should understand this.
However, you decide.

[Herculesic]

Alexey we didn’t say, “War is not a woman’s face!” In the army, where heavy physical exertion does not belong to them! !! I understand that you have to tell the circumstances there, but you too with your own head-a woman and gravity in the army are incompatible! !!

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: voyaka uh

I would cancel.
But there are crazy girls who are eager for battle, bombarded with a statement
authorities: "we want to fight, but they discriminate against us."
They will be put on a calm Egyptian border. And check how the service goes.
It seems the guys will be tank commanders.

Do not be ashamed of the heroes ?? Men are not enough or something, everyone is torn to Europe? I understand when the war was for the formation of the state. And now what?

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Do not be ashamed of the heroes ?? Guys are not enough or something, everyone is torn to Europe?

The same can be said about pilots in the academies of the Russian Federation, pilots are not enough because all fled to Europe? Distinguish PR and an attempt to shrug off the local warriors for equality, and the full implementation of girls in tank units.

Think a little.

[Hunter]

Quote: voyaka uh

But there are crazy girls who are eager for battle, bombarded with a statement
authorities: "we want to fight, but they discriminate against us."

They want to fight with the Russians ..? Hmm, commendable ..

[Servisinzhener]

But it would be better if these statements were sent to the shredder without reading. I think that burning in a tank is not the best thing that can happen to a young girl.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: voyaka uh

They will be put on a calm Egyptian border.

They have nothing to do on the Egyptian border. Women generally have nothing to do in the army.

[sharp-lad]

Well, maybe cooks, medical workers, signalmen .... in the rear!

[Nikolay73]

... maybe we will not be in a strange monastery with our charter, huh?

[Servisinzhener]

Not from a good life, we had them.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: BAI

We were no worse

Duc, and now there is. DNR

[Hunter]

Soon the children will begin to attract ... They smell that the fried smell!

[Gonchar]

Quote: Hunter

Soon children will be attracted

Zarnitsa chtoli?

[fizteh]

have come! Evidently the Jewish men are completely gone! woman in even a protected tank - nonsense! And who will give birth to Jews?

[Gonchar]

Over the past five years, the number of women in the army has increased five times to 2,7 thousands

How long is it? just? I do not believe. Maybe the author himself calculated?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: GonChar

Over the past five years, the number of women in the army has increased five times to 2,7 thousands

How long is it? just? I do not believe. Maybe the author himself calculated?

He was referring to the fighters - lohamot.

[q75agent]

Quote: newbie

so sorry, look what beauties, oh!

which around the edges do not mind

[newcomer]

oh well, each is beautiful in its own way.

[q75agent]

Quote: newbie

oh well, each is beautiful in its own way.

taste and color ....

[Magic archer]

And I thought they already exist! I saw a photo on tanks 10 years ago! It turns out it was just a photo of girls near tanks ... Around deception!)))

[voyaka uh]

There were already tankmen. Then the program was canceled. Now is the "second attempt."

[m.cempbell]

But I’m wondering how the female crew will change the truck on a 70-ton merkava in the sand ???

[Herculesic]

Around the same as a damaged gun barrel ...

[oldzek]

the damaged barrel does not change in the field. in our regiment in 68 (it seems) one crew sat on a gun in an anti-tank ditch.

[Gonchar]

Quote: m.cempbell

But I’m wondering how the female crew will change the truck on a 70-ton merkava in the sand ???

No way, the service, most likely, will be carried out in stationary conditions. Well, to change, squeal and cause.

[beeper]

I'm talking about replacing the track, and the track as a whole, is also very interesting, the first thought was about it !

[Nikolay73]

... I think the tank that lost its course is the destroyed tank, and if, hypothetically, at the exit from the transportation platform, the repairmen will change ... ... and the crew will pick up their own or not lucky after the battle ...

[voyaka uh]

And men's crews do not always cope. The tank has more and more electronics. We need smart, quick-thinking guys. And smart ones don't mean strong ones. Therefore, an excellent gunner cannot physically change the track. In my opinion, for such work it is necessary to attract a “technical team” on the armored personnel carrier and free the tankers from this.
Like in the air force. Pilots - fly and shoot. Technicians - serve the aircraft.

[Nikolay73]

... the mind, as I see it, lies in the fact that a person sensibly assesses his strengths and weaknesses, and not in trying to assert himself by participating in dangerous enterprises, I do not consider personnel military for obvious reasons - this is their work . But as you already wrote - in war as in war ...

[sso-xnumx]

Armor does not like the weak !!!

[Cheldon]

Well, it’s clear that the girls will not be allowed into a real battle. And it’s nice to beauties, and you can tease guys, like: well, you, deer, learn to drive a tank from girls

[IS-80_RVGK2]

The first female tankers completed training in Israel.

I am totally against it. I feel sorry for them.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

I feel sorry for them.

They themselves asked for it. I saw reports about local warriors and their complaints "why they do not let us into battle (infantry) and so on." The result - they were sent away from sin away to the border with Egypt, it seems, where there is nothing more dangerous than a smuggler.
The same thing here, apparently it was.

[dvvv]

women on the tractor! - in Israeli performance)

[Professor]

Over the past five years, the number of women in the army has increased five times to 2,7 thousands

Not in the "army", but in combat positions.

[l7yzo]

I can confuse Choth but "Women in Israel were forbidden to serve in tank troops

17 May 2015, 19: 08

The command of the Israeli army (IDF), based on the conclusion of military doctors, decided to ban Israeli women from serving in tank troops. "

and if they were allowed again, then they are preparing for war .... very sad ....

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Hunter

They want to fight with the Russians ..? Hmm, commendable

Are you really that?

[beeper]

Such beauties-Israeli tank ! True, the tank service is not easy for men, but ... my grandmother told me how our neighbors broke through from Kharkov and went with them a tankette, which was controlled by a militant mechanic-driver, ... in creams, where she hid it from German planes during the day and repaired her combat vehicle, even in the 70s two tracks from that caterpillar remained lying ...

[Svarog51]

my grandmother told me how our neighbors broke out from Kharkov and went with them a wedge heeled by a fighting woman-mechanic, ... in the creamery, where she hid from German planes during the day and repaired her fighting machine, even back in the 70s there were two tracks left from that caterpillar ...

Could it be that Lyudmila Ivanovna Kalinina was that woman-mechanic? She just in those parts before the war participated in the tests of the T-40 to overcome the Dnieper. There is her interview in the series ",,, and our tanks are fast" in the series "Little Bathers"

[beeper]

If the respected Lyudmila Ivanovna Kalinina got out on her wedge heels from the Kharkov environment deep in Hitler’s rear, then maybe she is. Granny told me that this was a very reputable tanker (she was dressed "all in black leather"), since the rest of the soldiers obeyed her.
I regret that I didn’t write down these “everyday stories” of living witnesses of those events, because “the dumbest pencil is better than the sharpest memory” ... they are recalled fragmentarily, without exact reference to dates (and my old people were very memorable in dates and names, right up to deaths kept a clear memory).

[Svarog51]

Respected beeper Excuse me, I can’t contact you by name, you did not specify it in the profile. With a high degree of probability, it was precisely Lyudmila Ivanovna. She fought on the Southern Front, was a military engineer of the 3rd rank, participated in the T-40 tests before the war, ended the war as the head of a mobile tank repair plant. True, I did not find the details of her breakthrough from the Kharkov environment. Here is a link to one of her last interviews, unfortunately in 2014 she died
http://statehistory.ru/831/Lyudmila-Kalinina---zh
eleznaya-ledi-tankovykh-voysk /

[beeper]

Dear Svarog51, my name and place will still come to me sideways (although the alleged "anonymity" on the Internet is, it’s, just a trickster ) - I’m a “peep” in Farsi-cat, I love good cats and dogs, so I didn’t “philosophize slyly” at registration ... let it be so for now.
I read an interview with Lyudmila Ivanovna with a smile and general features in a 1955 photo, she reminded me of my mother. From the interview it is completely incomprehensible whether L.I. Kalinina surrounded and, if there was, how to get out of it, too much round in the territory occupied by the Nazis had to give those Kharkov encirclements who visited our village, and did they break through to their own ???
I fully admit that we do not know the names of many of our brave women tankers, but only the unit names of those who were heard and did not disappear unknown in the crucible of war and post-war life ... IMHO
It is a pity that Lyudmila Ivanovna will not be able to clarify anything anymore, and they usually tried not to advertise their stay in the encirclement and in the occupied territory, even if everything ended happily - "I didn’t get captured and went to my" ... people of the "old school" on all my life we’ve kept the habit of being silent more and always thinking what and who to say .... honestly, even in feasts they didn’t like to remember these difficult episodes of their lives, they only told their relatives and friends, and that’s the mood ...

PS Be that as it may, on one of the days of the summer of the mid 70s, in the thickets of wild sludge behind the garden, under a long layer of dead leaves, I found these openwork trucks (as in the photo above) and brought them into the courtyard, closer to my vast collection ( from the whole district, battles of 43-44 years we had long and terrible (unlike fast and terrible battles of the 41st), the surrounding fields and ravines were rich in finds, especially after a good downpour) of military "iron", and in the late 70s , "away from sin", my uncle sent all this heap of scrap metal tormented by war to his factory, for re-melting (and there were also rare, domestic and foreign, tank "details" - now I learn about it from the Internet about this)))). ..now even on ravines and landings everything, lifting and non-lifting, "iron" rural drug addicts, and other "metalworkers", gathered ...

[Svarog51]

"peep" on a Farsi cat,

Only your name will still not greatly help in your accurate identification, especially since it may turn out to be fictitious. But here on the forum it will be much more convenient and habitual to speak to you. But it is of course you to decide, because I don’t know everything, but for you

my name and place will come to me still sideways

this may present a certain hazard.
As for Lyudmila Ivanovna, the front-line soldiers did not particularly advertise their stay in the circle, if they went out to their large group with arms and with documents, then after the check they returned to duty pretty soon. Here I completely agree with you. During an emergency, I served with guys from Belarus and Ukraine, they also told me a lot about such finds. I’m from Ivanov myself, the war didn’t reach our city and it wasn’t practically bombed. Actually, what was there to bomb - "girls, rags, shreds, but awl, soap, nails," as my father used to say. Mostly flew to Yaroslavl, although we formed the "Normandy-Neman" and other flight units.

[Seraphimamur]

And if a tank breaks a tank, who will change it? Will they call the service on a mobile phone? What about serving the tank?

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Black5Raven

Quote: Mar. Tira

Do not be ashamed of the heroes ?? Guys are not enough or something, everyone is torn to Europe?

The same can be said about pilots in the academies of the Russian Federation, pilots are not enough because all fled to Europe? Distinguish PR and an attempt to shrug off the local warriors for equality, and the full implementation of girls in tank units.

Think a little.

Marina Lavrentievna Popovich (Vasilyeva; July 12, 1931, Leonenki farm of the Velizh region of the Western Region - November 30, 2017, Krasnodar [1]) - Soviet military test pilot of the 1st class, Honored Master of Sports of the USSR [2], 102-time world record holder . Colonel engineer, doctor of technical sciences, professor, ufologist. Member of the Union of Writers of Russia [3] .. And with this how?

[vladmort]

Exception confirms the rule.

Plus a number of points:

1. Women do not occupy a position because they are the most worthy candidate, but to demonstrate "equal opportunities."

2. "professor, ufologist", i.e. with the intellectual level, everything is clear.

[Vard]

An exception confirms the rule ... and the trend however ... among Jews, attitudes toward women are changing ... it scares ...

[LUCKY777]

Now capturing an unscathed tank with a live crew will be doubly interesting.

[rocket757]

The local Valkyries probably forgot to show how the body looks ... when the tank burned down.
However, they can be understood - you want to live, to communicate with real men, and deviators who have vowed for faith are also not small.

[Evil 55]

and 35 kg. three will they be unitary to the guns? AZ is provided for on Merkava ..

[polpot]

Here the Hasidim laugh, women tankers and peysahaty do not serve in the army, do not pay taxes, Ukrainian roots are felt