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Kudrin made a proposal to reduce the costs of defense and national security of Russia

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The budget expenditures on defense and national security of Russia need to be reduced by 0,9% of gross domestic product (GDP) in favor of education, health, and road construction. It was with such a proposal made by Alexei Kudrin, the former Minister of Finance.


Speaking at a conference held at the Higher School of Economics, he proposed, in particular, to reduce the costs of industry subsidies - by 2,8%, by national security - by 0,4%, and by defense - by 0,5%. At the same time, Kudrin believes that it is necessary to increase spending on health care by 1%, on the construction of roads - by 1,6%, on education - by 1,3%.

The ex-minister added that the introduction of budgetary rules would make the obligations contained in the election articles of V.V. unfulfilled. Putin, as well as decisions relating to national defense. Earlier, the Ministry of Finance proposed a transition to the 2016 year to budget rules, in accordance with which budget expenditures will be limited to the level of revenues from oil and gas, which is determined by starting from the base oil price, more precisely the average price over the last ten years.

According to Kudrin, the main fork in the financial and economic sphere today is whether an increase in budget spending is expected in the future, or rules will be established that apply to the entire market, and then the ruble rate can be predicted. Kudrin said that when they say that it is necessary to build plants at the expense of oil and gas, this will be our response to the modernization process, this is a “less effective mechanism” than creating a “more stable course.”

The ex-minister also said that “approximately such a forking of the strategy” is still insoluble, since no budgetary rules have been defined for how much these resources will be required. Taking into account decisions on national defense and recent decisions related to elections, these expenses will have to increase from 1,5-2% to 5-7% in the coming years. This plan, when determining the budget rules, will not be fulfilled for these obligations. The ex-minister also added that the Russian government does not have much time left. He said that we need to wait for some reforms, since the budget preparation period ends at the very beginning of June.

Experts in the government who worked on the Strategy for the Development of the Socio-Economic Sphere of Russia until 2020 of the Year Now Offer a “Budget Maneuver”. It provides for an increase in government funding for infrastructure development, as well as human capital by 4% of gross domestic product by 2020. At the same time, by the year of 2014, inefficient and redundant expenditures of the budget system are reduced by two or more percent of gross domestic product.

Earlier, the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation stated that it did not agree with the proposal of experts, which implies an actual increase in budget expenditures by 2% of GDP, explaining that the growth of spending obligations may lead to an increase in risks in the Russian financial system.

According to the Strategy-2020, additional expenditures in priority areas to 2014 will be 2% of GDP, including expenditures on education - 0,15% of GDP, on the health care system - 1% of GDP, on communications and ICT - 0,1% of GDP, on road facilities - 0,75% GDP.
It is proposed to increase these costs by saving to 2014 in the amount of 2% of gross domestic product in such areas as the national economy and housing and communal services - 0,8% of GDP, national security, national defense and law enforcement agencies - 0,9% of GDP, as well as national expenses - 0,3% of GDP.

The initiated transformations will lead to an increase in expenditures in priority areas by another 2% of gross domestic product. By 2020, the total increase will be 4% of GDP, including the health care system - 1% of GDP, communications and ICT - 0,1% of GDP, road facilities - 1,6% of GDP, and education - 1,3% of GDP.

Sources of funds for such transformations, according to experts, will be an increase in the payment for mileage or parking, an increase in excise taxes on gasoline. Additional funds may also come from an increase in excise taxes on tobacco products, alcohol and other products that are harmful to human health. Another source is the growth of privatization from 0,5 to 0,7-1% of gross domestic product per year, including the regional level.
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  1. YARY
    YARY April 4 2012 20: 50
    +31
    Kudryashka can now sing what you like, but the fact that he demanded, along with the "swamp" of Russia's spiritual surrender to "Western values", puts him in line to the wall.
    1. Joker
      Joker April 4 2012 21: 10
      +11
      You know, some kind of small war with the same Georgia, for example, can play into our hands. Introduce wartime, and according to its laws, all such lackeys for treason are legally shot. The mosquito will not tarnish its nose, it will feel better right away, you can get rid of corruption slightly wink
      1. domokl
        domokl April 5 2012 04: 36
        +2
        Kudrin, in principle, voiced what could really happen in the 2013-14 years .... I understand that most now do not see Kudrin as a real politician and economist, but ... why did everyone immediately forget that he was Putin's man?
        It seems to me that Kudrin is the next prime minister, after Medvedev it will be Kudrin ...
        Bolotnaya will be forgotten (as is already the case with Rogozin, for example ... Everyone unanimously forgot his active support of the orange in Kiev and almost his love for Yushchenko (see photos of those days) .., but the professional remains ...
      2. dmitrich
        dmitrich April 5 2012 06: 24
        +3
        Kudrin, he will not be shot by Putin’s friend, and he doesn’t even surrender his own.
        1. April 5 2012 11: 51
          0
          Quote: Dmitry
          Kudrin, he will not be shot by Putin’s friend, and he doesn’t even surrender his own.

          And why suddenly Kudrin is Putin's man? Kudrin is a typical agent of influence, passionately fond of buying treasure.
    2. Dmitriy69
      Dmitriy69 April 4 2012 21: 47
      +5
      Curly wanted to please both ours and yours, in the end they drove them there. This is how it turned out "one of our own among strangers, a stranger among our own" angry
      1. oiuy
        oiuy April 4 2012 21: 57
        +4
        How is all this disrespectful to the long-term finance minister of your own country ... but where have you all been before, gentlemen? something no one crowed ... And now everyone has woken up, just as it turns out with Luzhkov ... were all captured by illusions? lol or from love to hate - one step? Is this a reasonable approach?
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus April 4 2012 23: 53
          +1
          For the last I-years, I have been shouting to KARAUL what Taburetkin is doing with the army, and what, drin in his hands or something?
        2. Vanek
          Vanek April 5 2012 07: 31
          +1
          Quote: oiuy
          love to hate - one step?


          Once!
        3. Ustas
          Ustas April 5 2012 07: 48
          +1
          and where have you all been before, gentlemen? something no one crowed ...

          You are mistaken, dear, a lot of unflattering words addressed to the former Minister of Finance came for his financial and economic policy.
        4. Krilion
          Krilion April 5 2012 09: 35
          +3
          Quote: oiuy
          and where have you all been before, gentlemen? something no one crowed ...


          Kudrin’s work as Minister of Finance has been criticized many times from different angles .. I generally consider him a low-competent person in this regard .. his principle of operation is simple to indecent: don’t give anyone money, don’t finance anything in Russia, and put everything collected from Russian taxpayers into American banks for the development of the American economy ... I generally think that it would be nice to hang it ...
      2. vezunchik
        vezunchik April 4 2012 23: 03
        +4
        The money of the owners must be worked out. This is one vsezka - Chubais, Kudrin, Gref
        1. vezunchik
          vezunchik April 5 2012 00: 26
          +5
          You can minus, the nose of this does not change! Betrayal is the same everywhere - and they are forced to write, speak, and they are forced to do it!
          1. grizzlir
            grizzlir April 5 2012 07: 17
            +1
            Why minus those who don’t like the truth of life, who live in illusions. And you said everything correctly, only +
        2. April 5 2012 11: 53
          0
          Quote: vezunchik
          This is one vsezka - Chubais, Kudrin, Gref

          I agree, only Gref, as far as I know, began to play on our side. Although maybe I'm wrong.
      3. Igorboss16
        Igorboss16 April 4 2012 23: 47
        +2
        finished, the army, and so lately, rests on parole and such officers who sacrifice themselves to save others, that he would have had such worthless living conditions, would have sung differently right away
        1. Vanek
          Vanek April 5 2012 06: 01
          0
          The ex-minister added that the introduction of budget rules will make the obligations contained in the pre-election articles of V.V. Putin, as well as decisions regarding national defense.



          Guys!!!! Yes, you need to return to everyday life - rearing, garrots, etc. The guillotine and the gallows will not help.
  2. vadimus
    vadimus April 4 2012 20: 55
    +8
    The skin has sold!
    1. Норд
      Норд April 4 2012 21: 34
      +4
      He quickly re-qualified as a liberalist. Or just disguised very well.
      Good retraining was obtained only from Comrade Bender, but even that abroad did not help.
      1. DementeFF
        DementeFF April 5 2012 06: 30
        +2
        Nord, he did not disguise) According to his understanding, the army should be spent in such a way ... that the entire defense industry would be breathed out, there would be no fuel ... in general, it would be like ten years ago.
  3. mishan
    mishan April 4 2012 20: 55
    +10
    You need to steal less, and then you will have enough money for everything!
  4. Bat1stuta
    Bat1stuta April 4 2012 20: 57
    +12
    after "swamp" I see no reason at all to listen to this liberalistic scum ... fool
    1. esaul
      esaul April 4 2012 21: 09
      +5
      Quote: Bat1stuta
      after "swamp" I see no reason at all to listen to this liberalistic scum

      Volodya, good evening. I agree with you, buddy, Kudrin something on this idea has wedged back when he was his minister of finance, but now populist slogans about care about education and health have been added to these words. It would be better if this swampy shouted about the personality Fursenko hinted at - he would have brought more benefits, and would have added popularity to himself. fool
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 April 4 2012 21: 16
        +2
        Here’s Valery, and I’m talking about the same thing! How well he felt for a sore subject!
      2. Bat1stuta
        Bat1stuta April 4 2012 21: 27
        +4
        Hello Valery! Yes, in our country all politicians refer to education, roads and healthcare. only they can’t really say anything about the case. everyone can criticize, everyone is smart ... how to get down to business ... I’m not 20 years old, I was born in the USSR, and although I was still small, I remember that time. then these damn LIBERALISTIC 90s ... the last 12 years is a breath of fresh air and faith in the future. and about the Army, it must be strong, and there is no need to spare money for it (in the world they understand only the language of power). and they allocate money for roads and so on. only where they go is another question.

        Russia can be destroyed not by anarchists, nor by communists, but by those damned liberals. (Dostoevsky).
        1. 755962
          755962 April 4 2012 23: 16
          +2
          Alexey Kudrin is a fan of the Western financial model, which is now accepted by most countries in the world. He does not even have a shadow of doubt about the correctness of the policy being pursued. He does not need this, he is just a "screw" in the mechanism of the capitalist system and this state of affairs suits him completely. Kudrin is highly respected in the West, since he is a conductor of pro-Western ideas in Russia. Alexey Kudrin is on friendly terms with almost all participants in the meetings of the G20 finance ministers and all well-known financiers of the capitalist world. This is the picture that emerged ..
      3. Pessimist
        Pessimist April 4 2012 23: 58
        +1
        In addition, GDP is a chimera !!! Previously, I went to the doctor to heal a tooth for free - GDP in place, not growing! And now he has salted 4tyshes for the same, and the GDP has grown by 4tyshes !!!! In how rushing the country! And what has changed, besides MY pocket and doctor’s ???
        1. April 5 2012 12: 02
          0
          Quote: Pessimist
          In addition, GDP is a chimera !!! Previously, I went to the doctor to heal a tooth for free - GDP in place, not growing! And now he has salted 4tyshes for the same, and the GDP has grown by 4tyshes !!!! In how rushing the country! And what has changed, besides MY pocket and doctor’s ???

          There is nominal GDP, but there is real GDP, which is calculated at a constant price for the base period (that is, it shows real growth in the number of goods produced and services provided, the change in price does not matter)

          In addition, no one treated your teeth for free, your treatment was paid by the state. All this is taken into account in GDP (government spending.)
  5. lotus04
    lotus04 April 4 2012 21: 01
    +3
    Like a cheap pop-art artist that just doesn't freeze, if only they write or say something about him, otherwise you will look and forget who he is.
  6. cord
    cord April 4 2012 21: 01
    -9
    Well right, cho. The situation when more money is spent on defense than on education and healthcare combined, and funding for an already miserable and inefficient housing and communal services is reduced is at least abnormal. Someone seems to forget that the very existence of the state is determined by the existence of people in it. And it is desirable that these were qualified personnel who did not go abroad (and now a new wave of emigration from the stability swamp is rising) and were not replaced by the inhabitants of the CIS countries, who can only be entrusted with work related to a shovel and a broom. Only stubborn scoops are ready to sway a bludgeoning stick to a bluish face, threatening everything and everything, and then, having fought in the forum, sitting in the kitchen, complaining about high gas prices, drugs, bad roads, going to work on dirty, gray streets, jumping over through giant puddles, water from which flows anywhere, but not into the drain. Then try to put your child in a kindergarten for a bribe, complain about the reduction of budget places in universities, high prices on paid places, etc. Having been in Europe, you understand that everything was created there by people for people, and we have scoops for scoops.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 4 2012 21: 18
      +7
      Quote: Kord
      Someone seems to forget that the very existence of the state is determined by the existence of people in it.

      which may disappear if there is no army that can protect them from the aggressor
    2. hot
      hot April 4 2012 21: 19
      +3
      What the fuck are you? Do you want the army to fly in the corn? Now tell me that Russia doesn’t need anyone. No one needs a huge territory with rich resources? Yes, China will be the first to lamonite and then you will grow rice. Those who want to learn, that is to learn, and if the child is dumbfounded, then at least you have bucked in billions as there was a dull one and will remain.
      1. cord
        cord April 4 2012 21: 24
        -4
        I will repeat my copy-paste and the question below:

        Golikova: almost 200 thousand doctors are not enough for hospitals, the deficit in pediatric oncology is XNUMX%
        Almost 200 thousand doctors are lacking in Russian medical facilities, and it is “impossible” to solve this problem, said Russian Health Minister Tatyana Golikova.

        Due to a shortage of specialists, the Ministry of Health is preparing an order that will allow students of medical universities to work in the state of nursing staff (paramedics, nurses, nurses). The deficit in this area is 800 thousand people.

        “In Russia there is a shortage of 152,8 thousand doctors. 187,5 thousand people are lacking in the outpatient department, while in the hospital, on the contrary, doctors have a surplus of 34,7 thousand people. Of course, this problem can be solved by retraining personnel from the stationary link, but on the whole this problem cannot be solved, ”Interfax quotes Golikova.

        The greatest shortage of doctors is noted in the specialties of pediatric oncology (almost 100%), rheumatology (84,5%), pulmonology (84%), general medical practice (49,5%) and dietetics (almost 100%).

        Doctors have surpluses in the specialties of dentistry (202%), ophthalmology (100%), surgery (60%), traumatology and orthopedics (54% each), otolaryngology (22,6%)

        And if there are no people who will serve in the army and build these roads?
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych April 4 2012 21: 36
          +5
          Isn't it because there are not enough doctors there because the Ministry of Health is headed by such a "professional" as Madame Arbidol, she is a citizen of Golikova?
        2. Joker
          Joker April 4 2012 21: 41
          +3
          Lead your child to paid hospitals, you like the USA, everything is paid there. What do you whine? My daughter was ill in childhood and you know they treat him normally for free, you climb less on the Internet and periodically go outside.
        3. recitatorus
          recitatorus April 4 2012 23: 27
          +2
          Lack of 100% - this means they are not there at all! Do you think write ???
          1. vezunchik
            vezunchik April 5 2012 00: 30
            +1
            This is the statistics! So there are none of them. There is no medicine. Why do people treat? A simple man, as Gogol wrote, he will die already, and he will recover.
        4. vezunchik
          vezunchik April 5 2012 00: 28
          +1
          Yes, young people do not go to work in clinics! One hassle. In our area, a 26-year-old doctor died of a heart attack.
        5. Ustas
          Ustas April 5 2012 08: 52
          0
          For cord
          almost 200 thousand doctors are missing from hospitals,

          Yeah, and the army is to blame. An army that has been underfunded for almost 20 years. So what these 20 years the money that was taken from the army did not pour into health care and education? And do not put everything in a heap.

          Mr. Kord is engaged in demagogy, or work out your next silver pieces.
        6. April 5 2012 12: 05
          0
          Quote: Kord
          And if there are no people who will serve in the army and build these roads?

          And if there is no army, then our probable opponents will have healthy and educated slaves.
    3. Oleg0705
      Oleg0705 April 4 2012 21: 20
      0
      We have summed up. The results summed up us. bully
    4. Joker
      Joker April 4 2012 21: 38
      +11
      Hi uncle, you idler is what I can say about you. Everyone in Russia at present can, if they wish and desire, earn a good salary, have their own home, car. Gas prices are not high, look at prices in other countries. It’s easy to enter the university budget, study well and you will have everything. Having been to Europe? Uncle and where were you? I traveled all over Europe, I was in the United States and I’ll tell you like that, there is no better place for Russia on the whole planet, Europeans and Americans have paid for their roads and wealth with their souls, they have only one goal in life, this is to fill their pocket. And do not compare Russia with them, they have so many debts that they sit for days on end and hold on to their heads, if we invest in Russia as much money as they have debts, then we would have a super duper of the road, home, etc. . BUT, for all their debts, they have everything paid, they will soon pay a tax for air, we have a free education, medicine, you do not pay taxes for purchases, and they pay taxes for buying bread. You read how they live at least, chat with the Russians who left Russia. In Germany, do you know that shops are closed on weekends? The fact that they are closing in my opinion in the 19.00 area, did not have time to eat to buy your problems. There, the norm is to bathe the whole family in one bathtub of water. They knock on each other, after ten in high-rise buildings they have to tiptoe, because the neighbors at the slightest sound call the police. And most importantly, they have scary girls, in Russia they are the most beautiful smile we have fields, clean air, forests, people are friendly and sincere. You can’t exchange it for anything, but you are all looking for money.
      1. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 April 4 2012 21: 49
        +2
        Joker please be so kind as to indicate the subject of your obzazheniya ie for whom it bully
        1. Joker
          Joker April 4 2012 22: 00
          +2
          To the user under the nickname Kord, for the first comment, about the scoop and how bad it is. Oleg are you in Germany? If so, tell me at least I lied about the life there?
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 April 4 2012 22: 08
            0
            ANSWER There the norm is to bathe the whole family in one bathtub of water


            such facts are not known to me, maybe there are
            request
            They knock on each other, after ten in high-rise buildings they have to tiptoe, because the neighbors at the slightest sound call the police.


            is happening smile

            And most importantly they have scary girls


            disagree No.
            1. Joker
              Joker April 4 2012 22: 17
              0
              Are you probably married to a Russian? wink and here’s another topic that I laughed at, a friend told me that in Germany a neighbor can complain about a neighbor that the lawn is not cut in front of the house or that the house looks bad and the neighbor will be obliged to cut the lawn and paint the house after such a complaint smile and even in houses, when someone arranges a holiday, he goes around all the neighbors in advance and warns them about it or attaches a piece of news with news at the entrance to the entrance smile
              1. Oleg0705
                Oleg0705 April 4 2012 22: 24
                -1
                no, not in Russian, and I myself am not Russian, but we are tailored in Russian

                when someone arranges a holiday, he goes around all the neighbors in advance and warns them about it or attaches a piece of news with news at the entrance to the entrance


                it is better to warn

                don’t know about the lawns
      2. dmitryg
        dmitryg April 4 2012 22: 02
        0
        Quote: Joker
        better than Russia there is no place on the whole planet

        Quote: Joker
        in Russia they are the most beautiful

        Tastes could not be discussed. They are beautiful / not beautiful, but they drink like horses, and they will give a shoulder head start on the part of men. This is in Moscow, I will not say for Russia.

        In Moscow, everything is "free" for a long time for bribes - in our institute, the majority of such gavriks studied. The teachers themselves draw medalists in schools - for statistics. In the clinics there is a line to Jupiter. They will not serve normally without a bribe.

        2 people left my office in a month, one to Vancouver, the other to Seattle. And they are far from fools.

        Quote: Joker
        friendly and sincere

        Yes, yes, I noticed. Especially on this site laughing
        1. Joker
          Joker April 4 2012 22: 13
          +7
          Well, excuse me, if you like the masculine babischi who sue their husbands if they do not sexually satisfy them, then this is of course your right laughing

          They leave in pursuit of money, there they belong. You can live well in Russia, the main thing is to try. My wife is working in the constellation, so there wages go. You only need to have a head on your shoulders.

          Friendly people, believe us, including on the site. You have probably registered recently, and if you had captured the moment somewhere 4 months ago, you would have seen that my shoulder straps were the same as yours. But now, as you see, I’m a moderator and not with shards, all because after talking with people on this site I changed my mind a little bit in the other direction. For which I am very grateful to them. And you, instead of mimicking and defending the United States, better think about and talk to people in neutral, without loud cries. Believe me, America is not as good as it seems. All your impression of her from the movies, but maybe from the reviews of friends who went there. the films are just a beautiful cover, but inside, everything is far from the case, and their acquaintances will never admit that they have gone where it’s worse wink The US is a soap bubble with debt in 15 trillion. dollars, in rubles it is 420 trillion. Can you imagine what a grand amount this is? Imagine how it would be in Russia if we had that kind of money, but we are slowly developing, we have no debts, we will soon catch up with America, which will soon finally decay. So please consider my words.
          1. April 5 2012 12: 40
            0
            Quote: Joker
            You probably have recently registered, and if you captured the moment somewhere about 4 months ago, you would see that my shoulder straps were the same as yours. But now, as you can see, I’m a moderator and not with shards,

            exactly, I see you are not you, then your shoulder straps were not at all of the colonel wink
        2. Ustas
          Ustas April 5 2012 09: 24
          +3
          In Moscow, everything is "free" for a long time for bribes - in our institute, the majority of such gavriks studied. The teachers themselves draw medalists in schools - for statistics. In the clinics there is a line to Jupiter. They will not serve normally without a bribe.

          "Tell me who your friend is, I'll tell you who you are" In what environment you communicate, you see.
          For example, I have not seen this. Children graduated from universities with budgetary education and work in their specialty, the salary is more than mine at times. I didn’t pay a bribe. The traffic police do not demand bribes when they stop me. I am treated in a free clinic, the service is normal. I tried it in a paid one, I got the impression that here they are trying to get more money out of the patient than to treat. Not going abroad for permanent residence. RUSSIA - THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          1. Arc76
            Arc76 April 5 2012 10: 46
            0
            Where do you work? When I was in the mentovik, they also never asked me anything, and I don’t know, maybe you are an ace driver. I can’t argue with the budget, but not to the most prestigious universities. I don’t get a lie in finek or law school, but let's say it’s easy in heavy engineering. I don’t know about the clinic, I probably have future medical insurance for it, for medical insurance (companies must insure and treat their employees). The wife says that the queues in the district clinic are large, you need to register for a specialist in two weeks.
            1. Ustas
              Ustas April 5 2012 15: 28
              0
              Arc76
              Where do you work?

              I live in Siberia. Small business. The daughter graduated from law school (in one of the Siberian universities), the second is studying for a designer. Novosibirsk
              I am ill a little, but if it happened, I described the impressions above.
              I don’t violate laws and don’t give bribes. And, in general, the blackness that journalists write in newspapers and show on TV almost never meet. Maybe this is only in Moscow and St. Petersburg?
              1. Arc76
                Arc76 April 5 2012 16: 32
                0
                Well, the doctors, of course, do not take bribes. And if you need something from an official, he most likely will not tell you anything personally. There are such specially trained people, Resals are called. He will come up to you after the reception and say, let’s say that in order to get a positive decision of Petr Petrovich on your question, you need to help both of them (the money is different, of course, of course, but even the tours take depending on the level) And an ordinary worker like I do not encounter bribes, well, perhaps to the gay men, and then rarely.
        3. April 5 2012 12: 39
          0
          Quote: dmitryg
          In polyclinics - turn to Jupiter. Without a bribe, they will not normally serve.

          In our city, recording over the Internet has long been, everything is very convenient. You bent about bribes.
          1. Arc76
            Arc76 April 5 2012 16: 27
            0
            Yes, through no, you can sign up with us too.
      3. aksakal
        aksakal April 4 2012 22: 02
        +6
        Quote: Joker
        There, the norm is to bathe the whole family in one bathtub.
        - I confess honestly, having bathed my little ones - the eldest is five, the youngest is the third year, I do not drain the water. I can, but sorry. After the little bodies, the water in the bathroom is almost completely clean, so I "buy" more. After me, it's definitely not a pity to drain it laughing And time is saved on the plum-bay, and the water itself - at least a penny per cube, but still, why waste it?
        Plus, the post is good. I was there too, and here's what I will say - the richest spiritual life lives with us. There really everyone is preoccupied with money to the limit, nothing in life, besides money, is not and cannot be. Somehow tires. Meet there a reflecting person wondering like why am I living? and the like - yes there are no such people there. They are not up to it. Such products ran out, and tomorrow discounts on these products in such and such a store - this is what they reflect on. Maybe this is good, but somehow I like it here.
        1. andrklimanov
          andrklimanov April 5 2012 00: 26
          +1
          I, too, after my daughter (4 years) bathe and it’s okay, not because of greed, but just wait for scrap until it merges,
      4. Arc76
        Arc76 April 4 2012 22: 11
        +1
        Well, about Germany, then you lied to Liddle and works on weekends. Something I doubt is creeping in about your adventures. I was in Imatra yesterday, so the prices for food there are lower than in St. Petersburg you want to take a photo from Prism and post it. Regarding healthcare. According to my brother, who has been living there for ten years already, basic medical insurance is paid, but in every municipality there is a free district medical center. The average salary is 3000 euros. One-room apartment -from 31000 euros (I’m thinking about buying, many people do in St. Petersburg). Cars from Germany drive, but there are no draconian import duties. In relation to each other, as a rule, our people who first went abroad are very shocked by the fact that cars stop in front of them at pedestrian crossings. For air and cleanliness, I don’t know where you were, of course, Scandinavia doesn’t stand near Leningrad Oblast. , I don’t know what kind of circles you belong to, maybe you are in opposition to the law, but it won’t hurt me. Moreover, as a former police officer, I can tell you that the main cornerstone of a quiet life lies in denunciation. And in conclusion, some statistics. Over the past year, in Russian retail chains of only one border city of Lapeeenranta (50000 inhabitants), Russian buyers left 62000000 euros. So dear Joker, do not mislead people who have not been abroad. The standard of living in the EU is higher than ours and this is a fact.
        1. Joker
          Joker April 4 2012 22: 24
          +4
          Did I really talk about the standard of living? smile Are you trying to change the subject and put me in a liar? I gave an example of the fact that Russian people are spiritual, not obsessed with money and profit, if you like Germany this is your right. For example, my homeland is more expensive than candy wrappers.
          1. Arc76
            Arc76 April 4 2012 22: 39
            -5
            so I didn’t sell it either, I just think that it is necessary to develop along the Western path of development and the country should be for a person. and not a person for a country.
            1. dmitryg
              dmitryg April 4 2012 23: 38
              -3
              So, Prokhorov was just as vicious as you, for such blasphemy laughing
              "A country for a person" - what they have invented wink

              The Russian person does not want to live like that. The king, the whip, the fetters - he wants, and then even the grass will not grow. We are wild, in a word - Asians. Until now, the word from the 6th grade sits in the head - "self-abasement" - a gift from Russia from the Golden Horde.

              Our state is famous for the fact that when it has problems - a citizen! to become in the trenches, march for the machine, the motherland groans!
              But as a citizen it’s bad - the state bashfully lowers its eyes and runs off somewhere for a smoke break.
              1. Pessimist
                Pessimist April 5 2012 00: 13
                +3
                Yes, you are very wild !!!! And if it were not for "stand in the trench" and "march for the machine", then we all would not have existed as a nation for a long time! Example: under the USSR, 90% of the CITIZENS WERE SATISFIED WITH LIFE, AND ABOUT 10% SHOULD ABOUT NOT FREEDOM, etc. The system is completely unfair! !!! And now 10% are satisfied that they are robbing all 90%, but the system is humane and "free" !!!!!
                1. Arc76
                  Arc76 April 5 2012 02: 12
                  0
                  As it is, 62% of Putin’s percent means he likes it.
              2. Ustas
                Ustas April 5 2012 09: 32
                0
                But as a citizen it’s bad - the state bashfully lowers its eyes and runs off somewhere for a smoke break.

                And who do you consider the state in this case?
                1. dmitryg
                  dmitryg April 6 2012 00: 36
                  -1
                  I do not understand the question. Do we have seven states in one? State = Power, 3 branches + fourth power in the form of media. Which serves the electorate, although it should be the other way around.

            2. estonian
              estonian April 4 2012 23: 52
              +2
              God forbid the developer, as in the West, that is, for your people, you need to take money as a basis. NO ALREADY THE MAIN THING IN RUSSIA MULTINATIONALITY DIVERSITY OF IDEAS AND FORTRESS OF THE SPIRIT !!
            3. Ruslan
              Ruslan April 5 2012 09: 33
              -1
              Quote: arc76
              so I didn’t sell it either, I just think that it is necessary to develop along the Western path of development and the country should be for a person. and not a person for a country.
              Favorite phrase dermocrats early nineties
              1. April 5 2012 12: 47
                0
                Quote: Ruslan
                Favorite phrase dermocrats early nineties

                This is a hymn to consumer society. The main thing that you can take, the main thing that you owe. This is just a recipe for growing consumers who are not familiar with the concepts: duty and homeland.
                1. Arc76
                  Arc76 April 5 2012 16: 45
                  0
                  So, after all, a successful society is a consumer society. And let’s without big words, I heard enough of them at one time. From my own experience I know that more about those who owe the debt to their homeland those who themselves are not particularly eager to give this debt (does not apply to you) and generally I’ll honestly want to believe it or not when I was on a business trip to the Vova nobody remembered the debt there, and if If someone said something like this, they would send it immediately and for a long time.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm April 4 2012 23: 04
          +1
          I would like to take a look at the check for bread — some goods are cheaper, some more expensive, but in principle I would not say so. Standard of living. Here is a quote
          And we have a blinker, and the belly sticks out of the window, "the mug is red, even light a cigarette." Nauseous, nauseous to the stupor. And neither fields, nor air, nor forests, nor girls save. and neither who nor what does not want to change in Russia. He traveled with a flasher, earned overwork, and for permanent residence in the West, and the whole standard of living.
          1. Arc76
            Arc76 April 4 2012 23: 20
            0
            On average, yes. Bread is really more expensive, but sausage, sausages are cheaper.
        3. estonian
          estonian April 4 2012 23: 41
          +2
          Bullshit is not nothing about salaries; the average salary is 3000 euros; where you saw such salaries; I have a lot of friends. Shas in Germany; someone doesn’t earn such money if you think that I’m wrong to go to the German stock exchange and see salaries even in the same Scandinavia. 3000 euros. Europe taxes half the salary!
          1. Arc76
            Arc76 April 5 2012 01: 34
            -4
            Firstly, Finland, secondly, tell me how much will the union pay you if you flew out of work? After tax, 2000 euros remain, but this is an emigrant salary, Finns and universities receive 5000 each, so don’t have to comb my hair here. What can I say about your friends, well, after all, they left Estonia to earn money, right. So who do they work there by the way? By the way, the young man you recently had a teacher’s strike competed, so maybe publicly say how much they received and how much they fought for, and here we will compare with the salaries of Russian teachers, but do not lie.
            1. estonian
              estonian April 5 2012 18: 04
              +1
              Yes, the Finns get well and that’s not all, but it’s not the Finns who sit right, we are Russians, and you won’t have time to get the finns there .. Teachers get 500-600 euros as well as the nurse, along with the processing, just for reference to become a nurse medical workers for free, not all take the same amount and social workers .. It’s hard to strike on strike it was a laugh Our government that works for a foreign country doesn’t need a strike, but at least arrange a pogrom because of a soldier then even a people I was supported by the trade unions! I hope you know that we don’t have any elections and we don’t have a parliament, that is, people don’t elect a president but politicians, so they basically sat there so that I don’t know what the Estonians will do though I personally care about this Estonia and let the indigenous people Now they’re tearing up what they fought for and ran into. About friends there are no non-Estonian women who have been born in Germany and are working there I can just give one example, a friend works at an Audi plant there he receives about 1500 clean and his father’s technologist in my opinion he gets 2500 clean but this is a rare occurrence, not every German drain gets this above the average how many graceful I don’t know ... About me, yes, you’re right, I don’t have a higher education, but I have a very paid and demanded profession in the same St. Petersburg I can work 2-3 thousand dollars; you can get about apartments; I don’t know, a normal apartment in Tallinn, together with bills and a monthly rent, costs about 400 euros in simple wounds at a price of 200-300 euros more ...
              1. Arc76
                Arc76 April 5 2012 23: 20
                0
                I meant to buy an apartment. And if there is such a profession, then of course you will be in chocolate, there is no market.
                1. estonian
                  estonian April 5 2012 23: 38
                  0
                  Well, our apartments have different costs of 40-50 squares in a simple five-story building in good condition in a normal wound. They cost about 40-50 thousand euros. Of course, the big plus is that in Estonia,% of a small loan in Russia, I heard about 16% chtol ..
        4. Don
          Don April 5 2012 10: 14
          0
          Quote: arc76
          The standard of living in the EU is higher than ours and this is a fact.

          The standard of living is higher, but not in the EU, in a number of EU countries. In Germany, France, Holland or Luxembourg - yes, but in Romania, Bulgaria or the Czech Republic for sure - no. Even in the same UK, the standard of living is high only in London. I was in Newcastle, a typical working town, with slums and everything else, and in Birmingham it was a sad sight.
          1. Arc76
            Arc76 April 5 2012 10: 51
            0
            Well, living in the Czech Republic is not bad. I knew one woman, I married a Czech, it seems like there is nothing, although the price of bread in Prague is certainly a hetung, I saw this for the first time.
          2. estonian
            estonian April 5 2012 23: 44
            +1
            Was in the UK honestly the most disgusting country the country of drug dealers is something like a ghetto ... It was in many countries for me so Norway is a worthy country beautiful nature clean air well and the highest standard of living expensive bikes are on the street and cars are open it’s okay if you’ll find something to save, and what I really liked is that even at the store you’ll buy something in hand give us the same change they throw it on the table all the time the euro is constantly a lot of little things I don’t like to collect coins from the counter ...
            1. Don
              Don April 9 2012 14: 24
              0
              Quote: Estonian
              Norway worthy country beautiful nature clean air well and the highest standard of living

              Unfortunately, I was not in Norway, but the standard of living there is really the highest in the world, but Albion, like Spain, surprised me very unpleasantly. In the resort area, in Spain, they stupidly push drugs on the street, and the streets themselves are not in the best condition. In general, it’s one thing that we are being promoted on our Ukrainian and Estonian channels, and it’s quite another to go there. There is nothing Ukraine can do in Europe, it is possible to take an example from a number of reforms in some countries, but it is not necessary to join the EU. And Estonia, I think, will still regret it.
      5. dmitryg
        dmitryg April 4 2012 22: 11
        -3
        There is one grandiose difference - they have everything equal before the law, and we have those who are more equal than others. For this, I would tipto and walk out of the closed shops.
        And we have a blinker, and the belly sticks out of the window, "the mug is red, even light a cigarette." Nauseous, nauseous to the stupor. And neither fields, nor air, nor forests, nor girls save.
        1. Joker
          Joker April 4 2012 22: 25
          +3
          That they have tougher laws, I won’t even argue here, we lack this.
          1. dmitryg
            dmitryg April 6 2012 00: 38
            0
            I did not mean the rigidity of laws, but their enforceability wink
        2. Arc76
          Arc76 April 4 2012 22: 40
          +2
          five points
        3. estonian
          estonian April 4 2012 23: 56
          0
          And I am full of this red hat with a flashing light because I once did not envy and I will not go into the pocket for a word! I believe in myself and I will go my own way and a killer myself and not idly watch how someone has risen I will say one thing Russia As the SEA, the strongest elements and strong loves and destroy the weak !!
          1. Arc76
            Arc76 April 5 2012 02: 03
            0
            And this is your youthful maximalism. When you say something to a red hare from a car with a flashing light, its driver (hari) comes out and pokes your ears. And then, if you resist, the red mug will call the head of the police department and say "Mikhalych, here you have a drunk without registration violating public order, you need to isolate him (although you are completely sober)" and you will fly an expensive pigeon to the inter-district detention center and you will there to rest for two weeks, this is how the mug will say (maybe you inflicted bodily on her when you waved it off). So you are mistaken on the road, it's not for you in full on the red mug, but on her, and it would be better for you not to pay her attention in any way to yourself. We have not European liberalism here, this mug will not clatter with you.
            1. estonian
              estonian April 5 2012 18: 17
              0
              But I don’t get into anyone’s personal life and I don’t have any reason to talk with this harei. We have different interests .. as far as I’ve never seen such endless harries in Russia, maybe you still have a sediment of the nineties just about the fact that someone will give me ears, let him try only for some reason, I’m sure that it will fall from the blow. It is necessary for people to become simpler and not look at these hari .. It’s better to look around and see how many opportunities are around and go to the goal ..
              1. Arc76
                Arc76 April 5 2012 19: 56
                0
                Yes, it’s possible you can kill this mug, but I’m saying that the system that the red mug personifies can simply grind you and not notice you. But do not think that I dissuade you from coming to Russia. Come on, maybe it’s your destiny and you really will rise, there are too many of them. Only now, nobody needs the weak, we said it rightly and we don’t have a middle ground.
      6. estonian
        estonian April 4 2012 23: 33
        +2
        Joker I completely agree with you in Russia there are 100 times more opportunities than in any European country; in many countries you still didn’t notice what taxes are there about education so that to go to Europe for free you need to be an indigo child young people do down jobs there at all and people cleanly plow and don’t do anything else on weekends .. women and mamons are like men’s, but with a piercing. yes and actually all the cities are almost cloudy all kind of gray and don't forget whoever you are no one was waiting for you there and you will always be second-class people ..
        1. dmitryg
          dmitryg April 4 2012 23: 47
          0
          Quote: Estonian
          cloudy everything is somehow gray

          Slide to Moscow. Although Moscow is not Russia laughing
          1. estonian
            estonian April 5 2012 18: 21
            0
            Dmitryg
            I agree with you on this !! I won’t go to Mosca myself. I don’t want to live this city for half my life in traffic)) for the time being I will consider the option as Pskov or St. Petersburg ..
        2. Arc76
          Arc76 April 5 2012 01: 46
          -2
          I can tell you right away that with so many mistakes you can’t pass the opening budget to the budget. And the opportunities we have, and above, only for those who get a job normally could. So I honestly can tell you now I live well, but you (unless you certainly have wealthy or influential relatives) will live poorly, because as I understand it, you don’t have a university, and you will receive 25 thousand workers in St. Petersburg. And by the way, the question where to live? My dear housing in St. Petersburg is more expensive than in Tallinn, two, three times, and I don’t say anything about Moscow. So we don’t have anything or nothing, we don’t have a middle class like the EU. If you decide to stir up a couple of temok here, then those who do not knock you will be allowed into the engine, unless of course they need such a thing.
          1. estonian
            estonian April 5 2012 18: 32
            +2
            My work is not connected with filling out documents, as I said in Mosca. I’m not going to disgust this city with its night traffic jams and people in most cases whine for a bad life and go in fur coats .. I don’t need a university is about grammar YES you are right, but it’s necessary to be confused that the last 2 years my language was generally English and I live in Estonia where everything in Estonian I say more came to Russia people say that even in Russia you have more emphasis on strict Russian. . Agree, but you are not a Russian language teacher and I’m sure that you understand me ...
            1. Arc76
              Arc76 April 5 2012 23: 14
              0
              Yes, of course, this is not a vice, I'm sorry if I said anything bad. Yes, and I am far from a competent letter.
              1. estonian
                estonian April 5 2012 23: 34
                0
                Yes, it’s not there because someone didn’t stop anyone from criticizing that there would be no one to criticize, therefore there is no sense in insulting the main thing is that we mutually understand the trug’s trudge regardless of the fact that we diverge in many ways. it’s necessary to attribute right now for the time being I choose the city where I would like to live yes good good
      7. Pessimist
        Pessimist April 5 2012 00: 04
        +1
        Plus to you! But, with all due respect, doesn’t it seem that our country is being pulled into the same hole ??? Culture is achieved, with purchases, my friend, we pay VAT, 18%!
      8. April 5 2012 12: 32
        +1
        Quote: Joker
        And do not compare Russia with them, they have so many debts that they sit for days on end and hold on to their heads, if we invest in Russia as much money as they have debts, then we would have a super duper of the road, home, etc. .

        About the road. I agree with you, do not compare horseradish with carrots, it is enough to compare the area of ​​our country with some kind of European, as well as climatic conditions. This year in Europe was a real Russian winter. so the German road builders requested $ 25 billion for road repairs! Germany is approximately 2,5 times larger than Bashkiria in area. Can you imagine what roads can be made in Bashkiria if you allocate $ 10 billion for this?
        So with our open spaces in order to at least maintain the roads in good condition, huge funds are needed. In addition, for the sake of objectivity, I must say that the roads have become noticeably better.
    5. freedom
      freedom April 4 2012 22: 28
      +4
      And there was time, and they didn’t spend on defense, and they didn’t spend on medicine, and kindergartens were closed, and in schools they pushed drugs, and that, liberals, was your time! Then the puddles were wider, and they did not flow anywhere, because there was one gray-green slurry, and the nuclear club, wobbling with fat backs, you carried on a tray to your friends. Yes, and they leave today for the bulk, and daredevils, because the work for them here remained only with a shovel and a broom. No, there’s still a pickaxe.
      1. Joker
        Joker April 4 2012 22: 37
        +2
        Yes, you noticed right at the point. Although our streets are not so clean and the roads are not so good, we are slowly moving towards this, we are arming the army, wages are rising slowly, and our living standards are improving. Compare the times of Yeltsin and the present, heaven and earth. And you can’t leave your homeland in trouble, because even when people get married they say that they will share all the troubles and joys together. So do not be discouraged, there will be a holiday on our street drinks
        1. cord
          cord April 4 2012 22: 50
          -6
          For this holiday on the street, say "thank you" to the Americans who started the war in Iraq and raised a storm in the Arab world, which made the price of a barrel of oil skyrocket, providing the Russian raw materials economy with street holidays. Without all this, oil would now cost 30 bucks and the process of getting off his knees would become somewhat difficult.

          "Even though our streets are not so clean and the roads are not so good, we are slowly moving towards it."

          You can’t jump the abyss in two jumps, so we will move through it in small steps (s)
          1. April 5 2012 12: 52
            +2
            Quote: Kord
            For this holiday on the street, say "thank you" to the Americans who started the war in Iraq and raised a storm in the Arab world, which made the price of a barrel of oil skyrocket, providing the Russian raw materials economy with street holidays. Without all this, oil would now cost 30 bucks and the process of getting off his knees would become somewhat difficult.

            You’ll either study the topic, or you will give out a typical liberal stamp (you’re not even willing to read such crap). He doesn’t know a damn, only repeats after others.
      2. cord
        cord April 4 2012 22: 40
        -8
        This is a scribe ... An enchanting set of words "hurray-pootreota", on which Putin's hurdy-gurdy is designed "there are enemies around !!" ..
        However, I’m still optimistic about the future of the country, since I’m only 23 years old and I don’t work in the IT field with young, progressive people who will soon replace gray, frightened scoops who have never gone beyond borders all their lives, as far as gray-haired hair waiting for the decay of capitalism, and who can not live without a sun-king, barking at anyone who will ripple in their swamp of stability. wink These elections have shown that the future is ours and the times of crowded crowds of disenfranchised serfs are gradually fading into the past. What I'm immensely happy about)
        1. Arc76
          Arc76 April 4 2012 22: 58
          +3
          I’m 36 years old and I’m not such a progressive person, I’m probably even a conservative, but I also believe that the personality will be the cornerstone of the future of Russia. A person who will have his own opinion and will be useless to promote any ideology, a person who will seek first of all to increase his own welfare, but with it the welfare of society will rise.
          1. cord
            cord April 4 2012 23: 05
            0
            Why are you, they will kill him and call him a troll, a saboteur, an enemy of the people, an agent of the State Department, the Mossad / aliens, etc. wink Moreover, the trick is that I work in 1C company and am engaged in the automation of design organizations engaged in R&D, including defense holdings of Russian Technologies, Rusnano and Rosatom companies, and for my work, I have to deal with directors, heads of planning departments, contractual, etc. etc., which consist entirely of the Soviet nomenclature and who are ready to count on wooden accounts until the end of their days and shy away from any modern technologies. And we also have to observe the rotten system of concluding contracts a la "let's introduce risks by increasing the contract amount by 20%?") Therefore, it turns out that I am working on the modernization of my country, which is interfered with by patients, like the local commentators)
            1. Arc76
              Arc76 April 4 2012 23: 18
              +2
              They are Soviet people who have lost control from the state and, well, have gone berserk. Well, like ronin. After twenty years, everything will be different. I also work in a credit institution, so I consider myself an old man. There are 48 presidents of the bank. Of course, all this calamity has worn off, but it wasn’t in the young. No one talks about the attack on the United States. And that strange professional economists do not suffer from the idea of ​​the collapse of the US economy, so many articles and statements are simply ridiculous.
            2. dmitryg
              dmitryg April 4 2012 23: 33
              -1
              Plus. Himself an IT-employee, I’ve been working as an outsourcer for a large bank and an aircraft building company from the USA for 1.5 years - there are no left people on projects, every dollar goes into business, cleanliness and order are fun to watch.

              Prior to that, he worked in the Russian large electronics network - 70% of mediocrity, scary cuts - felt sick nauseously.
              1. cord
                cord April 4 2012 23: 48
                0
                Well, it was you who worked in electronics, and you can imagine what is happening in the research institutes and design bureaus. with whom I work!) When concluding one deal in January, the financial director of the enterprise complained that they could not conclude an agreement with us, since they had not yet transferred the financing, and said that the timing and amount of financing depends on how employees of the enterprise will vote in the presidential elections .. Think about it: among my colleagues, in a private company, NOBODY voted for Putin, or for crooks and thieves, but in the state. the companies all voted for this rabble. So much for "modernization", here for "sovereign democracy". smile
          2. Ustas
            Ustas April 5 2012 09: 45
            0
            I’m 36 years old and I’m not such a progressive person, I’m probably even a conservative, but I also think that the identity will be the cornerstone of the future of Russia. A person who will have his own opinion and will be useless to promote any ideology

            And on this site, do you think people do not have their own opinion? Or do you think that everyone who loves their homeland and praises it as "hurray-patriots" or paid "Kremlin propagandists"?
            1. Arc76
              Arc76 April 5 2012 10: 39
              0
              Everyone has the right to their own opinion. But unlike the same aksakal, for example, I did not call to shoot my opponents. There is a lot of propaganda and hysteria here, but for this I love this site. Where, for example, can you still meet a living Stalinist? Or a follower of the ancient Rus of Bretwald. Interestno. And by the way, as I understand you don’t think we are patriots? For the reason, for example, that I propose developing according to the Western model and against pumping up marginal state formations like Iran?
              1. Ruslan
                Ruslan April 5 2012 11: 41
                0
                Quote: arc76
                what I propose to develop according to the western model
                See the debt map of the world
                http://expert.ru/expert/2010/21/dolgovaya_karta_mira/
                (the main debtors are the countries of the Western world) and compare it with a map of countries producing real products. Do you offer Russia to draw pieces of paper as the West and to pump real resources and goods from countries of the third world for them? Then designate specifically how this process will occur.
                1. Arc76
                  Arc76 April 5 2012 17: 13
                  0
                  Read the economics of Adam Smith, this is for starters. With alternative economists, I'm not interstitious. I live in the world of RBC, tikra and rating agencies. The reality is that in the modern world it doesn’t matter where Nokia Corporation took out production, but it is important that its shares are traded in New York, and the development center is located in Tampere.
                  1. Ustas
                    Ustas April 6 2012 07: 44
                    0
                    I live in the world of RBC, tikra and rating agencies. The reality is that in the modern world it doesn’t matter where Nokia Corporation took out the production, but it is important that its shares are traded in New York, and the development center is located in Tampere.

                    Capitalism is supranational. Only in the world is everything changing. Remember the story. Today you are on a bump, tomorrow a beggar. From the bag ... as they say.
                    And in Russia from time immemorial they do not like traitors. And for Russia it is important where the production is located and who owns the resources.
              2. Ustas
                Ustas April 5 2012 15: 35
                +1
                and as you understand, you don’t think we are patriots? On the basis of, for example, what I propose to develop according to the Western model


                You can't stupidly copy the Western model to Russia. There is a lot of good and bad. But we are different, ("harnessing for a long time" Bismarck) The model of Russian development may be similar to the Western one, but we still do not wake up pure Europeans. We have other patterns.
        2. aksakal
          aksakal April 4 2012 23: 50
          +3
          OK cord, you know what I wish you?
          Here you are young and ambitious, why do you need a sun-faced king, why do you need stability? Correctly. But for now. Well, let such a state happen, or rather, it will not happen, and you leave such a state as TV, because in Russia there will be a state that we want, and you won’t get anywhere, so the sooner you leave, the better. Then you get married, there will be sausages, a wife’s career on a slope, you are one breadwinner. You will have it. And then I wish you to drastically lose health in this country, where there is no sun-reigning king (in the sense of the state gave everyone complete political and economic freedom, let the strongest survive, but also take off most of social obligations, everything paid, in short, became the antipode of the paternalistic state, because it is the paternalistic state that you mean by the scornful expression of the sun-reigning king). Let's see how you sing. Isn’t it like in the USA a single mother after the officer of the Board of Trustees, once again for the tenth time, came to her home and issued her a refusal of help. Are you sick of singing? She took a revolver and shot her young children, then this bureaucrat, and then herself.
          Meanwhile, my mother, having remained a widow with four, is small and smaller; she’s not even remarried — where are the four of them? - without straining brought up all four. And she gave everyone a higher education. But because of the loss of the breadwinner payments of 60% of the salary of the deceased father. And because in the clinics they treated for free, and during the time of the ministry, Chazov was also almost forcibly. And because education is free. And because Valentina Tereshkova, for many years of happiness to her, she then headed the Union of Women of the USSR, personally ordered to issue a four-room improved instead of a three-room ordinary with a kitchen of 6 sq.m.
          Yes, there were contests in universities, but if you studied, you will pass anyway. I went from the third attempt - the first two before the army, the third - after the army, with a recommendation from the unit commander. Everything went to the institution that he wanted. This was a state that you scornfully, sorry moderator, I can’t hold back, which you, ......., call a scoop. And now compare with the States, any state in the world, and even with today's Russia. In short, it would probably be at least some kind of limited military mess, which would be an occasion to introduce the laws of wartime and shoot the likes of you to hell. To this comes, cordi, Vali from the country, good advice. am
          1. cord
            cord April 4 2012 23: 59
            -6
            why do you need stability

            I didn’t read further, because the hysterics of the next woman of the invisible front are obvious, who, feeling that they are retyping mantras of their own kind and threaten with a stubborn finger, while digging trenches in his garden, awaiting the arrival of NATO combat robots wink You, of course, excuse me, but clients like you, clamoring for times when the sky was bluer, the grass is greener, and the water is wetter, and falling into hysterics at the sight of American / British / German and other flags, really interfere with work. =) Such a patient sits above his ear and mutters something about "but before ...", "but if ...". Retire already, do not interfere with the automation of production in our already lagging country, sit on your plot and dig potatoes, by God)

            A country needs growth, not stability. And your stability is endless corruption and the sale of raw materials. Be proud cho smile
            1. Joker
              Joker April 5 2012 00: 09
              +4
              On such people who work in the gardens and in the shops and the state keeps, and not on IT-employees and credit managers. Go outside the cabinets, tear off your ass. I do not like it in Russia, bye, anyway there is no sense from you.
              1. cord
                cord April 5 2012 00: 38
                -2
                Such people have destroyed the Union, dragged the country into a hole, planted it on a raw material needle, and now they protect corrupt officials and hinder the development of the country with their soviet thinking of one gyrus, waiting for this capitalism to decay, even though many such expectationists are already alive then no. Worse than the rule of such people can only be war. Moreover, nuclear) While some are working in the workshops, cutting files with components, in rotting capitalism, comprehensive automation is developing in full swing, allowing to increase the efficiency and quality of production at times, to optimize labor costs, but thanks to people like you, Russia uses yesterday’s technology, investing in technology today, at a time when all sane countries are using today's technology, investing in tomorrow's technology. If you were a little smarter and were able to analyze the text, you probably would have guessed that if I write about relations with the heads of enterprises, it means that I work outside the office, but directly at the enterprises, which means I regularly travel around Moscow, Moscow Region and on business trips , and citing European countries as an example, means that I go to these same countries) You are a typical scoop, alas)

                "Shoot! Go away! Shoot! Shoot! Go away" .. Hmm .. some, sorry, fools history of their own country teaches nothing. And this is sad, in fact.
                1. April 5 2012 13: 10
                  -2
                  Quote: Kord
                  such people have destroyed the Union, dragged the country into a hole, planted it on a raw-material needle, and now they protect corrupt officials and hinder the development of the country with their soviet thinking of one crinkle, waiting for this capitalism to decay, even though many such expectants are already alive then no. Worse than the rule of such people can only be war. Moreover, nuclear) While some are working in the workshops, cutting files with components, in rotting capitalism, comprehensive automation is developing in full swing, allowing to increase the efficiency and quality of production at times, to optimize labor costs, but thanks to people like you, Russia uses yesterday’s technology, investing in technology today, at a time when all sane countries are using today's technology, investing in tomorrow's technology. If you were a little smarter and were able to analyze the text, you probably would have guessed that if I write about relations with the heads of enterprises, it means that I work outside the office, but directly at the enterprises, which means I regularly travel around Moscow, Moscow Region and on business trips , and citing European countries as an example, means that I go to these same countries) You are a typical scoop, alas)

                  How delirious! Again a typical set of liberal stamps. You at least learn a story.

                  By the way, the USSR sat on an oil needle in the 70s.

                  Learn and learn again, creative class representative.
                  By the way, do you have a family?
              2. Arc76
                Arc76 April 5 2012 01: 16
                +1
                And you suggested that we talk productively, it all ended with an invitation to leave the country. Believe me, the Joker, that before coming to work at the bank, my life was long and winding. And I served in the mentovik for more than 12 years. From the OMON fighter to the security officer of the Special Operations Department. So this state was on me, and no one will shut my mouth here, because I am this state. And pensioners work in the gardens.
              3. dmitryg
                dmitryg April 6 2012 00: 47
                +1
                Typical Gundezh Luddites. If it weren’t for IT, you would still be sitting in a cave with scores. Let's send scientists to the gardens.

                I will not believe that you overslept the transition from an industrial society to an information one.

                Did you read such a thing in childhood?

                "And Tolya and Vera
                Both mothers are engineers.
                And Lyova’s mother is a cook.
                Mom is a pilot?
                What's wrong with that! "

                And credit managers, for that matter, are also doing their good work. Almost the entire business grew through lending, if it was not created by slaves and convicts.
                1. Ustas
                  Ustas April 6 2012 07: 56
                  -1
                  I will not believe that you overslept the transition from an industrial society to an information one.


                  Now imagine, production has risen, or even worse, the war has thrown off the development of land for a couple of centuries ... (pah, pah, God forbid). What will IT employees do?
                  I knew one such thing here, I can’t screw a screw.
                  Before you create a program, you need to make hardware for it. And this is the work of hundreds, thousands of people.


                  So, "all kinds of mothers are needed, all kinds of mothers are important!"
                  1. dmitryg
                    dmitryg April 6 2012 11: 10
                    0
                    Apocalyptic scripts discuss boring.

                    I can assume that IT-people will rivet video games to brighten up idleness and depression laughing

                    And I congratulate you - I also do not know how to screw in screws, I do not need to.
                    A professional screw driver can click on the keyboard and display the result in the dough? It is doubtful.

                    Everything goes as it should, from subsistence farming to the division of labor.

                    PS And we, * contemptuously * IT-employees, are doing so that people do not work at all, but machines work. My dream is to catch the mass layoffs of people from production, because they were replaced by the long-awaited robots.
            2. aksakal
              aksakal April 5 2012 07: 29
              -1
              I did not read and did not understand the message - that means you don’t understand humanly and don’t even want to listen. Then briefly and not humanly - LISTEN HERE, HAMSTER !!! UNTIL WE, 40-year-old we rule in this space, WILL BE OUR. And there won't be a single gram on the western !!! WE have already made it clear on March 4 for civil, you don’t understand. So, let’s make it clear OTHER! am am am
              IS IT CLEAR NOW? And you will endure and grit your teeth, and then to the dentist. And nowhere to go. OR knock over a hill !!! And you won’t endure - A TALK WITH YOU AND SUCH AS YOU WILL BE SHORT !!! angry
              Conversation is over!!!!
              1. Arc76
                Arc76 April 5 2012 09: 23
                +1
                In what space do you steer a citizen? wink Kazakh, well. And what did you make clear to us on March 4, as far as I know, the presidential elections in Russia did not take place in Kazakhstan. And what a short conversation you’ll come to Peter with such intentions as you are declaring here, you would immediately go to the deportation center, if the center for combating extremism weren’t busy with you, it’s painful for you.
              2. cord
                cord April 6 2012 00: 26
                0
                LISTEN HERE, HAMSTER

                The heroic attempts of the forum non-hamster and his virtual shock with a fist hint that 40 years in the life of this non-hamster have been in vain and he is no different from the average schoolboy who threatens everyone sitting at home in front of the monitor. wink When the arguments end, the turn of virtual beating of the heel in the chest comes. Kindergarten, pants on the straps, nekhomyak wink We have all the power very similar to such non-hamsters: a lot of trembling, lying impudently and completely torn off from this world) If you, non-hamster, were left to live behind the hill for a week, then you couldn’t be kicked out of there) All the fervent virtual patriotism would have weathered) Fortunately, our government will not allow such an outrage that average-gray persons abroad ride) Live from paycheck to paycheck, non-hamster laughing
          2. Pessimist
            Pessimist April 5 2012 00: 18
            0
            You are a plus! During perestroika, 90% of the population lost everything that their grandfathers fought for .... Who will say what is wrong?
          3. Arc76
            Arc76 April 5 2012 01: 08
            0
            Why does a citizen of Kazakhstan expel a citizen of Russia from his own country? Although I work in a commercial organization now, I still have friends, I have to complain about you to the "extremism" department. Well, this is a joke, but in fact the Soviet mossiness speaks in you. But in Russia, in the USSR, hardly anyone wants to return. It's funny to live in a society where there is a queue of cars for twenty years, you can't go to Egypt to rest, and you have to get your jeans. But don't be discouraged aksakal, in Kazakhstan you can build whatever your heart desires.
          4. Arc76
            Arc76 April 5 2012 09: 33
            0
            Tereshkova, committee of Soviet women. You are a retrograde nostalgic for the USSR not fit into the modern model of life
          5. freedom
            freedom April 5 2012 19: 48
            0
            Dear Aksakal, this boy was only 11 years old when we started our long way out of the cesspool into which the young reformers drove us with their GKOs, funds and exchanges, he does not know that his idols almost made a black man the mayor of Tver, so, for fun. They almost legalized drugs (the idea of ​​ATP). He grew up with a more or less stable time. He didn’t smell gunpowder, he deflected from the army, probably in connection with orientation, but he is still trying to teach us. Yes, just not notice them, that's all. And when life really blows on the head, then it will sing differently. And you cord, I recommend google, and read the directive of the State Department of 1946 (mine) for N 20/1. Oooochen interesting, informative thing.
        3. April 5 2012 13: 01
          -1
          Quote: Kord
          These elections have shown that the future is ours and the times of crowded crowds of disenfranchised serfs are gradually fading into the past. What I'm immensely happy about)

          These elections have shown that the people of your liberal nonsense can’t stand it.
          By the way, nobody drove anyone away; the hamsters had a brain break when they really saw Putin’s popular support as observers. Welcome to the real world.

          Quote: Kord
          hurdy-gurdy "all around the enemies !!"

          It is not necessary to exaggerate, it is simple enough to understand that each country in the world (with diplomatic sovereignty) pursues only its own interests, especially the United States with a policy of global domination.
          And Russia, after all, is the world bank of natural resources, almost 40%!

          Take an interest in international politics and economics, as well as in history, everything will become clear.
      3. Arc76
        Arc76 April 4 2012 22: 47
        +1
        Oh no, my friend, the most intelligent and educated people are leaving, the brain drain is catastrophic, look at the staff of the andron callider in Switzerland, how many Russian Swiss are there. I have a classmate, I graduated from astrophysics, I left, you know how much they offered him -40000 rubles. This is a candidate of science, a leading specialist in the field. Now in Germany.
  7. them
    them April 4 2012 21: 01
    +6
    If there is no army of your own, for whom is there a road to build? For Abrams chtoli, otherwise they will not crawl anywhere else.
    1. cord
      cord April 4 2012 21: 19
      -10%
      Golikova: almost 200 thousand doctors are not enough for hospitals, the deficit in pediatric oncology is XNUMX%
      Almost 200 thousand doctors are lacking in Russian medical facilities, and it is “impossible” to solve this problem, said Russian Health Minister Tatyana Golikova.

      Due to a shortage of specialists, the Ministry of Health is preparing an order that will allow students of medical universities to work in the state of nursing staff (paramedics, nurses, nurses). The deficit in this area is 800 thousand people.

      “In Russia there is a shortage of 152,8 thousand doctors. 187,5 thousand people are lacking in the outpatient department, while in the hospital, on the contrary, doctors have a surplus of 34,7 thousand people. Of course, this problem can be solved by retraining personnel from the stationary link, but on the whole this problem cannot be solved, ”Interfax quotes Golikova.

      The greatest shortage of doctors is noted in the specialties of pediatric oncology (almost 100%), rheumatology (84,5%), pulmonology (84%), general medical practice (49,5%) and dietetics (almost 100%).

      Doctors have surpluses in the specialties of dentistry (202%), ophthalmology (100%), surgery (60%), traumatology and orthopedics (54% each), otolaryngology (22,6%)

      And if there are no people who will serve in the army and build these roads?
      1. hot
        hot April 4 2012 21: 32
        +1
        This is not about finances, but about people. In the city of private clinics will soon be like shops. Staffed in hospitals. Now about the village of 70km. from the city. A new modern hospital, the latest equipment, a salary of 20000, a new apartment is provided for ownership. They do not want to go. When they immediately finished ownership of the apartment, then they were driving. We got an apartment, sold it and left. Local authorities sniffed it and began to give it ownership after five years of work. Anyone who wants to immediately died. Golikova takes the average for the country.
        1. cord
          cord April 4 2012 22: 30
          -3
          And what to be proud of? Paid clinics? Well then, in general, it is worth giving up on any attempts of "free health care" and making it, as in the USA, paid. Only, it is desirable that the wages and living conditions rise to the American level. If here, in Moscow, whose inhabitants, by all accounts, lie in furs and eat lobsters on gold, doctors and nurses disperse to paid clinics, then in the provinces everyone will soon be treated exclusively with folk remedies and old supplies of greenery and activated carbon, since your radiant story, if it is true, is such an exception that Achtung. Although, judging by the fact that no one goes there, since, for sure, there is a problem with the infrastructure, your story is still true. Well, what can you do, these pitiful little people, you see, want all kinds of conditions, civilization and do not want to work in the villages for Putin's plan.
          1. April 5 2012 13: 14
            0
            Quote: Kord
            Only, it is desirable that the salary with living conditions rise to the American level.

            Is it not a high standard of living, if you can print money as you need.
      2. Xikary
        Xikary April 4 2012 22: 10
        -5
        It is useless to prove anything here ...
        1. them
          them April 4 2012 23: 58
          +1
          Dreaming about paid medicine as in America, you have no idea what it is.
      3. them
        them April 4 2012 23: 52
        +1
        I am a doctor myself and I know how much in medicine. But now the army is more important.
      4. Siberian 555
        Siberian 555 April 5 2012 04: 51
        +1
        if there is no army, we will gradually turn into a country on the African continent and then it’s just that the doctors will only have a red cross and nurses of mercy and it doesn’t matter to you which refugee camps will be of assistance. there will be great luck getting to the vet
  8. Oleg0705
    Oleg0705 April 4 2012 21: 05
    +9
    In circles close to insanity.
  9. Joker
    Joker April 4 2012 21: 07
    +5
    Excuse me, my friend, and who are you? You are no longer the Minister of Finance, so slam your mouth, please. And then when the minister was in the ass of Putin feces, and how he was dismissed so much. Go to the USA and rub them in there, even if they will cut defense spending and create jobs for their citizens. As they began to raise spending on the defense industry, so all sorts of traitors came out, you can immediately see who the Cossack mishandled. For some reason, he did not worry about us during his ministry, but then he got it straight.
    1. Joker
      Joker April 4 2012 21: 22
      +2
      According to Part 3 Art. 331 of the Criminal Code of Russia criminal liability for crimes against military service committed in wartime or in a combat situation is determined by the laws of Russia in wartime. [3]
      In an extremely difficult situation, changes in criminal proceedings are possible, or complete cancellation of its individual stages. So in besieged Leningrad, during the blockade, a Decree of local authorities was in force, ordering law enforcement bodies to shoot marauders, robbers and robbers detained at the scene of the crime. Thus, the entire criminal process was limited to two stages - detention and execution of punishment, bypassing the preliminary investigation, court hearing, appeal and cassation proceedings.

      That’s what we need, the Georgians are sitting, preparing to get lyuley again, we also need to take advantage of this. Why was the USSR a force, but because Stalin plundered all such lackeys and no one interfered with the country's development.
      1. Pessimist
        Pessimist April 5 2012 00: 22
        +1
        Kudrin would be shot, the moratorium was lifted for 2 seconds, until the trigger is pulled !!!
  10. sergo0000
    sergo0000 April 4 2012 21: 10
    +4
    You can understand Kudrin from a human point of view. When you sit on a bag of money for a long time, you involuntarily begin to consider this bag to be yours! And it makes you terribly angry when they give you a kick in the ass, without even saying thank you.
    1. Joker
      Joker April 4 2012 21: 19
      +4
      Sergey, why should I say thanks to him? What did he do for us? Nothing, he sat in his pockets full of pockets, but as they pushed him away from the feeder, he began to yap.
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 April 4 2012 22: 13
        +4
        Joker,
        Yes, I agree! Especially and not at all. His time was irrevocably spent! Maybe he was once in demand, but not now!
  11. hot
    hot April 4 2012 21: 12
    +4
    I fuck him. Cops to cut money, the defense also does not need money. Housing and utilities, too, give less money so that they themselves inflated tariffs. And after a couple of years to say somewhere in the square that Putin is to blame for everything. Damn, you need to grab less. Damn in kind priests would break them ... mud ... am.
  12. patriot2
    patriot2 April 4 2012 21: 16
    +3
    Kudrin's "good" advice leads Russia to its complete dependence on the states and world oligarchs, because none of them will stand on ceremony with a country with a weak army. Now financial oligarchs are organizing capital outflows from Russia to weaken it. The best way to preserve and increase strength is to speed up contacts within the BRICS and move to an alternative currency.
    Kudrin, except for a strong dollar, does not recognize anything, the whole world knows that the dollar is not provided with anything.
    Why should Russia go further and further into this loop?
  13. dimks98
    dimks98 April 4 2012 21: 32
    +1
    Alexei Leonidovich, you have the right to remain silent.
    In your own interests. angry
  14. suharev - 52
    suharev - 52 April 4 2012 21: 42
    +3
    Although he was once called “the world's best finance minister,” he always made me allergic. After all, it was he who siphoned out of Russia during the period when he was minister, about one and a half hundred billion dollars in exchange for US IOUs. And at this time, all who wanted to work in their homeland were forced to get into bondage to Western banks. And this bastard is still trying to yapping. Or does he still hope that LADIES will take him back after becoming prime minister? I doubt it. But in our country everything is possible. So as they say: "Wait and see." Sincerely.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal April 4 2012 22: 29
      +3
      Quote: suharev - 52
      he always made me allergic. After all, it was he who pumped it out of Russia during the period when he was minister, about one and a half hundred billion dollars
      - I really hope that she will not return to the government. He is a professional, there is no bazaar, but a professional can do much more harm if he is aimed at serving the interests of another power. And there is every reason to suspect Kudrin of this.
      Anyway, all financiers are like that. The fact is that the entire financial system is arranged according to the Anglo-Saxon model (hereinafter referred to as the System), so they have the best universities in finance. It turns out a self-reproducing system - in order to work effectively in this system, you need to get an education where this system was created. And when they teach you there, you won’t be able to think otherwise. You will strictly follow their taboos - the main bank of your country cannot issue its own currency more than it has in its depositors the country's currency - the author of the System. The most reliable debt obligations are the debt obligations of the country of the author of the System. And the fact that this financial system itself is vicious does not occur to anyone. Muslims deny it, or rather, try to deny it for a reason. Growth money is wrong. A system can be effective only when it is constantly growing, capturing new territories - this is also wrong. Our ball is not too big, and even tiny by cosmic standards. Stopping growth immediately leads to an increase in contradictions and further to war. And what are we observing and observing in the recent past?
      Meanwhile, Russia lived throughout the 90s, spending almost nothing on defense. Conversion, we thought - we will force defense plants to produce sophisticated products, we will be happy. Nothing like this!!! Only specialists lost, well, not all, but many! but they’ve not received conversions. There is only one way out in the scientific and technical modernization of the Russian economy - to download the military-industrial complex in full and encourage them to graduate. That such a system works. Dry himself without a kick loaded with a superjet, Irkut - MS-21. Sevmashs will also mature to civilian floating products - only time is needed. That is why I am categorically against the reduction of defense spending. Unfortunately, if the car became the locomotive of the economy, Amer really liked the Amer cowboys, then we have the military-industrial complex. It's a little sad that it is the killing products that will pull us out, but what can you do? Need to splurge. Who does not want to feed his army ....
  15. taseka
    taseka April 4 2012 21: 46
    +2
    And how much did you put Kudrin "in your pocket" between oysters and truffles in Courchevel for this phrase JUDAS ???
  16. Aventurinka
    Aventurinka April 4 2012 21: 53
    +3
    Wise guy, damn it. Now, if offered by reducing the state security. to select employees for education - there would be a conversation.
    And you don’t need to remove it from the defense. Filmed already.
  17. dmitryg
    dmitryg April 4 2012 21: 54
    -7
    Until the nuclear warheads are completely drunk, the budget can be safely cut. All the same, such crumbs reach the military-industrial complex that you never dreamed of, and even when the king-father stomps his boot. Better to deal with corruption, as in Georgia. You can spend money on the roads, otherwise we are proudly called a "nuclear superpower", and you drive like a drunkard - you go around the pits.

    And Kudrin is handsome. Look at the interview with him - a very sane guy. And rightly so he sent a bear. And when he was sitting on the budget, like the Serpent Gorynych, it was he who protected the budget from all kinds of cattle, otherwise in the government, stick your fingers everywhere — raking paws.

    Or do you want, like in the USSR, 40% of the budget go to the army? What for? To fight off aliens?
    1. Pessimist
      Pessimist April 5 2012 00: 25
      0
      About 40% of the budget - not even Krylov's fables, but probably Hesiod! From the Pentagon !!! Go to Georgia, live, there are roads without corruption, there is almost nothing to eat !!!
  18. Alex-z84
    Alex-z84 April 4 2012 21: 56
    0
    Kudrin-Pro-Western ghoul!
  19. Alex-z84
    Alex-z84 April 4 2012 22: 01
    0
    Kudrin, with all his gallows, was sold to a white ghoul.
  20. mr.Man
    mr.Man April 4 2012 22: 04
    +1
    Well I do not know...
    Strong defense with frail / sick, stupid people and poor roads or vice versa, which is better?
    To steal less in all areas and everything would be enough for everyone to develop their industries and without cost reductions / redistributions ...
  21. APASUS
    APASUS April 4 2012 22: 05
    +6
    he proposed, in particular, to reduce the cost of industrial subsidies - by 2,8%, national security - by 0,4%, and defense - by 0,5%. At the same time, Kudrin believes that it is necessary to increase spending on health by 1%, on road construction - by 1,6%, on education - by 1,3%.

    The poor fellow is rushing around! Weaned from the feeder quickly overstepped!
    So in this perspective, I’m more and more interested in what I thought was expensive before ??? I didn’t raise medicine ??? I didn’t build roads ??? it’s your doing, it’s with your hands that modern Russia has been created! Or maybe he did not manage finances for 11 years?
    1. Oleg0705
      Oleg0705 April 4 2012 22: 52
      0
      If the patient did not die, he would regret that he did not protect his health. wink
  22. Alex-z84
    Alex-z84 April 4 2012 22: 06
    +5
    Kudrin, with all his gallows, was sold to a white ghoul.
  23. Surg
    Surg April 4 2012 22: 08
    +5
    You need to steal less, and the budget will immediately replenish in all areas.
    1. Bravo
      Bravo April 4 2012 22: 15
      +3
      but in reality, what difference does it make where to decrease and where to add is still stealing everywhere in direct proportion!
  24. vovan100
    vovan100 April 4 2012 22: 19
    +4
    maybe it’s sold out, or maybe it’s a stupid fan of its box office who does not want to understand other things ......
  25. Tersky
    Tersky April 4 2012 22: 38
    +4
    Quote: Bat1stuta
    Russia can be destroyed not by anarchists, nor by communists, but by those damned liberals. (Dostoevsky).
    You +, Dostoevsky ad infinitum, let the rest conceive.
  26. Lnosow
    Lnosow April 4 2012 22: 50
    +3
    There is a good Russian proverb regarding Mr. Kudrin: "After a fight, they don't wave their fists."
  27. Kibl
    Kibl April 4 2012 23: 11
    +2
    WHO DOES NOT FEED YOUR ARMY-WILL BE FEEDING ANOTHER, AND NO SUPER DEVELOPED MEDICINE WILL ALREADY HELP!
  28. Max79
    Max79 April 4 2012 23: 23
    0
    I would like to answer to the little respected Kudrin. Your uncle is over. If you constantly put off the armament of the army, in which% 20 remained working equipment, then you can throw us some hats. army, and a decent Kudrinsky pension. In general, people like him, preferably for life, and let him write memoirs ...
  29. Nechai
    Nechai April 4 2012 23: 27
    +2
    Quote: Joker
    Introduce wartime and according to its laws all such lackeys for treason are legally shot

    Martial law, or emergency, is declared, in my opinion, not only during and during the hostilities. As well as counter-terrorism, counter-corruption etc. operations. In the aftermath of disasters and natural disasters. The space is huge, there would be a desire. The flood will soon go, than no excuse. Send grandfather Mozai, he will collect them all. And he will take someone for Mozhai, someone farther to the key keeper in a black apron.
    Quote: hot
    Housing and communal services also give less money

    Yesterday, in the local news, the "hairpin" was launched - so our region managed to get funding for housing and communal services, and then this will not happen at all. They say, expect citizens to have a complete collapse in their homes. Free media. Only the truth is spoken, only the truth .. The more they zabashyat, the more truthful they will give out.
    Quote: dmitryg
    Do you want, like in the USSR, 40% of the budget to go to the army?

    La-la we will not. Okay? These "arguments" have played out a long time ago.
  30. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus April 4 2012 23: 48
    +1
    Do you know what is the worst? that young people are studying at the school of higher economics and then go to big business. Unfortunately, they are brainwashed, and you quickly get used to the image of a good life. I am judging by my friend, I also graduated from a school of higher economics, but we are from different social groups, he has a bank director as my mother, I am from a simpler family, my father is just a colonel. So, now for us, by the age of 30, he has been working in a large private company, I am in a simple clinic, the impression is that we are just from different planets. And here he recently announces to me that he believes that we need a small compact army - well, what can I say? naturally he did not serve but the mentality has already taken shape ...
  31. mind1954
    mind1954 April 5 2012 02: 03
    +2
    I can’t understand only one thing. Why should I see this scum
    and hear from all TV channels?
    He has done everything he wanted and said! Why should I again
    hear the ranting of this bastard?
    He is a private person. Let published in some publications. To
    His opinion is interesting, they will buy and enjoy.


    PS If, according to Kudrin’s recipes, sent to the United States, under the guise of
    stabilization fund for 2-3%, all income as collateral, in order
    so that banks, trading and commodity companies can take short-term
    loans at 6-7%, and here to give loans at 28% and sell
    import at an exorbitant price, of course, in general, there’s not enough for anything!


  32. Brummbar
    Brummbar April 5 2012 04: 33
    +1
    It’s good that he’s already nobody.
  33. Siberian 555
    Siberian 555 April 5 2012 04: 52
    +1
    I would just shoot this bitch
  34. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov April 5 2012 06: 19
    +2
    Invalid message.
    You should not reduce it, but fight corruption (for example, the introduction of complete confiscation, and the death penalty), then the budget will be filled, and there will be no need to take a penny.
    And then, billions annually merge abroad (instead of working for the Russian economy), and someone else is talking about saving ....
  35. grizzlir
    grizzlir April 5 2012 07: 24
    +2
    People, you can think with your own eyes before blaming this same Kudrin for all mortal sins. Before the presidential election, Putin promised the mountains of gold. I will not repeat the rearmament of the army, social programs. Most of you here were screaming cheers. it’s clear that Putin’s promises are not feasible for one simple reason, there’s not enough money. And now Kudrin is voicing the real state of things. Well, who should do this yet, not Putin will tell you that he was so cunning a little. You are now angry with Kudrin. You must be angry with yourself for your naivety.
    1. PabloMsk
      PabloMsk April 5 2012 10: 41
      +2
      grizzlir,

      +1 from me :)
      Putin has nothing to do with ..... he is a loyal kid.
      These are the "rest" enemies of the people.

      Yesterday there was already a wave in the press about real "new salaries" for the military ...
      It turns out that Vovan, as always, "embellished the candy" for the military before the elections, and now the nuances are emerging ....
      It turns out Vovan said about contentment, but it was really about dividing the real salary into a salary and a bonus to the salary ...
      So they do it at cheap regional firms to keep employees on a leash.

      And the by-law on this allowance says that the allowance for the year cannot exceed 3 monthly salaries of a soldier ...
      For the January and February pre-election campaign, the military began to receive good allowances, only by March and April they began to be underpaid again, citing the fact that the 3-month bonus fund had already been selected for the 1st quarter of 2012 and by May the military had no allowance for salaries will not receive .... suck and go to the barracks!

      And just don't tell me that Putin did not know about this "nuance" ...
  36. vvp2412
    vvp2412 April 5 2012 08: 53
    +1
    Pudrin, as always - Powders brains! I propose to give it Powder the brains of the United States. They bleated that he was an excellent finance minister !? Let him be taken away!
  37. iulai
    iulai April 5 2012 10: 15
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    half of the members of the government, half of the Duma, agents of influence of the West and the Zionists!

    Comrade Stalin, Sunday, you cleaned up the army from the Zionists, the time has come to clean up the Duma and the government!
  38. PabloMsk
    PabloMsk April 5 2012 10: 31
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    Yes, wake-up calls ...

    As soon as there will not be enough rubles for everyone in the budget (for any reason), we can expect further depreciation of the ruble exchange rate and another rise in prices.
    Well, we will become poorer again.

    Keep your fingers crossed for petrodollars .....!
    However, they are already not enough, judging by the words of the Ministry of Economic Development ....
  39. maxbrov74
    maxbrov74 April 5 2012 10: 46
    +1
    "Budget spending on defense and national security of Russia should be reduced by 0,9% of the gross domestic product (GDP) in favor of education, health care, and road construction."

    Yeah, especially the roads. This cattle is seen with other liberal guardians of kickbacks is not enough. Even without them, we have the most expensive roads in the world, which does not affect their quality at all. In our region, after winter, all highways, with rare exceptions, look like an artillery range. According to unofficial data from 70 to 90% of the cost of our roads are various kinds of kickbacks.
    Not enough for him on the road. Let the State Department borrow money, since there is not enough money, maybe they will give it to "democratization".

    "The most expensive roads

    So how much are the most expensive roads? We will analyze the most expensive roads in Russia and the USA and present their cost.

    The most expensive roads in Russia
    Here we present a list of the most expensive roads in Russia
    Russia, Moscow, the fourth transport ring (3,8 km) - 17385,00 million rubles / km. (579,5 million dollars / km.).
    Russia, bypass road in Sochi (2,6 km) - 6497,02 million rubles / km. (216,57 million dollars / km.).
    Russia, the ring road in St. Petersburg (3,5 km) - 1657,30 million rubles / km. (55,24 million dollars / km.).
    Russia, the ring road in St. Petersburg (12,9 km) - 1159,75 million rubles / km. (38,66 million dollars / km.).
    Russia, bypass road in Sochi (8,9 km) - 775,00 million rubles / km. (25,83 million dollars / km.).
    Russia, the ring road in St. Petersburg (14,4 km) - 615,18 million rubles / km. (20,51 million dollars / km.).
    Russia, the ring road in St. Petersburg (11,8 km) - 453,77 million rubles / km. (15,13 million dollars / km.).

    The most expensive roads in the USA
    The three most expensive roads in the USA are as follows:
    USA, Washington, I-5 - Everett, SR 526 to US 2 HOV Lanes - Everett (27 km) - 8,85 million dollars / km.
    USA, Alaska, Third Avenue Extension, Ketchikan (3,2 km) - 7,14 million dollars / km.
    USA, South Carolina, SC 170 Widening, Beaufort (38 km) - 2,73 million dollars / km. "

    Who cares, here's another; http://www.novayagazeta.ru/economy/2601.html
    1. dmitryg
      dmitryg April 6 2012 00: 58
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      Well, you have to blame everything on the Ministry of Finance. As if he was building a road with a shovel at night. Its task is to isolate the loot. How and where it will go - he is not interested. It will be interesting - they will devour. A constantly hungry flock of hyenas is constantly spinning around the budget and is waiting for its piece. We got a piece - mastered - we roll off to France, build an estate.

      It is still unknown where theft is more - in the defense industry or in road construction.
      We have in any product 20-30% - kickbacks, from milk to electric locomotives.
  40. Nechai
    Nechai April 5 2012 12: 58
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    Quote: grizzlir
    You have to be angry with yourself for your naivety.

    Victor, I understand everyone's emotions are going wild. Most people don't feel the "product" yet. believe advertising. And people shouldn't be angry with themselves. Believing the advertisement, I bought something, but this is bullshit. In this case, do you propose to just wipe off? Or is it nice to have a chat with the Provost? Yesterday in Togliatti, VVP suggested replacing all state officials with cars produced in the ETS countries. It seems that we have already heard this many times and the result is known in advance. Or maybe he provokes them so, to actively counteract? And then swing your hand, scratch your shoulder. What, in principle, prevents the revolution from being carried out from above?
    Quote: PabloMsk
    Keep your fingers crossed for petrodollars ....

    This is if it is critical to have import dependence. You must have your own, work in this direction. At least cover vital necessities. Then all these market-market somersaults are on the drum ....
  41. Uralm
    Uralm April 6 2012 23: 54
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    Cheap economist. He would also say that he is as smart as Witte. relative to time.