United States close the program to create a railgun

The US military has spent more than 500 million dollars on a rail project weaponsThey want to close it. Developed technologies may be used later.

In 2005, the Pentagon gave General Atomics and BAE Systems defense contractors a contract to create a working railgun model that could arm the next-generation warships of the US Navy. Since then, 12 years have passed and 500 million dollars have been spent, but the project has not been finalized to the necessary requirements and is likely to be closed, reports Task and Purpose.

Although the railgun, commissioned by the US Navy, works, it lags behind the number of shots per minute specified in the technical specifications, making only 4,8 shots per minute instead of the necessary 10. In addition, the developers do not disclose his requirements for the replacement of guides and energy consumption, as well as how many he can make shots without replacing components.

Now it is proposed to abandon the concept of the railgun, and from it take the technology of the projectile and adapt it for firing from existing 5-inch guns of the US Air Force. One thing is clear that in 2020, we will not see a railgun mounted on the destroyer Zumwalt, specially created for this project.

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[Zibelew]

One thing is obvious, that in 2020 we will not see the railgun mounted on the destroyer Zumwalt specially created for this project

We’ll survive it somehow. Yes, and the railgun will not work without a spallotron.

[Jedi]

It is possible that the project is not canned until the “better times”, but transferred to the “deaf secret bunker”.

[dvina71]

Quote: Jedi

and translate into a "deaf secret bunker."

And they’re going to smoke a physics course at Sovtekhvuz ..., .. although something tells me .. instead of studying, they will watch Hollywood fiction again ..

[Jedi]

Quote: dvina71

although something tells me .. instead of studying Hollywood fiction will be watched again.

At home, let them even stand on their ears - these are their problems. If only they didn’t get to us with their “education”: we have already seen what the reformation of the educational system to Western standards leads to.

[The_lancet]

If only they didn’t get to us with their “education”: we have already seen what the reformation of the educational system to Western standards leads to. negative

And? What does the "alteration of the education system" lead to?

[Jedi]

Yes, at least to lower average scores on the exam and the appearance of knees that do not remember kinship.

[The_lancet]

What is the USE and how does this relate to the education system in the United States?
I already found. Is this a student testing system?

[dvina71]

Quote: The_Lancet

What is the USE and how does this relate to the education system in the United States?

Visitors .. The USE in our country is associated with a questionnaire-type exam .., which was originally copied from the American one. The truth is that the USE has changed a lot lately .. and its essence is mainly in the examination mechanism. Examination tools are constantly changing. For example, a written exam in literature and Russian is introduced.
It is necessary to blame not on the USE, but on the Bologna system, which leads to a narrow specialization of specialists.

[sabakina]

As far as I know, the exam was originally created for the mentally retarded, and in my opinion, in the same USA.

[comprochikos]

They created a railgun, but it turned out a scam, it happens

[NEXUS]

Quote: comprochikos

They created a railgun, but it turned out a scam, it happens

But they don’t hold us for suckers, declaring to the whole country that there is no money?

[Tatar 174]

Quote: comprochikos

They created a railgun, but it turned out a scam, it happens

This is their scam, and we have the scammer, because there is such a saying that there is no method against scrap. In this case, the crowbar is a piece of iron, which is given hypersonic speed with the help of engines and which due to its kinetic energy can pierce at least their aircraft carrier, at least an underground heavily protected base and, accordingly, destroy them, so that even an explosive charge is not needed. Like this.

[UVB]

Quote: The_Lancet

What is the USE and how does this relate to the education system in the United States?

This system, if you are not in the know, was developed in the states for specialized educational institutions for children with mental retardation.

[KAV]

And? What does the "alteration of the education system" lead to?

Obviously, to the fact that you did not even understand, or do not know, what exactly.

[Pyromaniac]

To the transition from the category of the best in the world, as it was in the USSR, to the category of mediocre, what it is now (naturally this concerns secondary education).

[UVB]

Until energy storage devices are orders of magnitude superior to existing supercapacitors, there can be no talk of any real use of railguns. Everything will remain in the laboratory for the coming years or even decades.

[dvina71]

Quote: UVB

Until energy storage is created

In addition, it is necessary to create materials that withstand the effects of plasma, otherwise this installation and with powerful sources of energy will shoot several tens of times ../, then replacing the guides .. I'm not talking about the projectile itself .. which is made in the form of a needle .. And as is known to everyone who studied physics, not fiction .. E = mv2, and when a projectile collides with an obstacle, not all energy is released, but only by how much the velocity of the projectile in this obstacle decreases. Well, enough energy will be released. When passing through the skin of a modern ship? 13-20mm .., and sometimes just plastic or composites .. that would cause significant damage?

[Iline]

Quote: dvina71

And they go to smoke a course of physics of Sovtekhvuz ..,

I agree. Initially, it was clear that in principle it is possible to create such a weapon, but according to the fundamental concepts of physics, energy is not taken from anywhere. And the modern development of these technologies does not allow the implementation of the claimed parameters with the dimensions of Zumwalt. It turned out an expensive toy, but an incredible amount of noise was raised. However, everything is in the best traditions of the American military-industrial complex.

[Krasniy_lis]

Lawyers representing teachers and students at a number of California schools have sued the state authorities, pointing out the blatant illiteracy of the students, and that the state authorities are not doing anything to solve the problem. In particular, less than half of all state students in grades 3-5 were able to pass a literacy test appropriate to their age. And in one of the schools, 96% of students could not pass the appropriate tests for either literacy or math, and fifth-graders by age should be sent to study again in groups where they are preparing for school kindergarten.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Jedi

and translate into a "deaf secret bunker."

Yes, from the very beginning it was clear that this is nothing but an expensive toy for cutting dough. And also gullible ear noodles. Any sane person versed in physics and ballistics can see this right away.

[Jedi]

So they are "exceptional", they are subject to the laws of physics. In any case, taxpayers are convinced of this.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Jedi

So they are "exceptional", they are subject to the laws of physics

Well, judging by their rhetoric, they are "subject to" all the laws. Soon they will swing at divine laws. Joking as a joke, it only seems to me that this is bad for them (and for everyone), it will end.

[Jedi]

I don’t know how for everyone - for them for sure! But these tricks can pull the whole world.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Jedi

But these tricks can pull the whole world.

So I am about the same.

[papas-57]

The loot is cut, the terms of reference are completed.

[dorz]

United States close the program to create a railgun

... and open a program to create a hyperboloid.

[Monos]

We stumbled over common sense and awakening ... "Zamvolt" is a pity. Our local fans of American high-tech were so proud of him.

[voyaka uh]

Why feel sorry for him? The guns he has 2 pieces - 155 mm, ordinary. Winged
missiles - in bulk 80 pcs.

[abc_alex]

Are you seriously?
Do you really think that for two 155 mm guns and 80 Tomahawks you need a platform at a price of $ 4 billion apiece without weapons? Arly Burke carries 56 Tomahawks, and costs 1,7-2 billion with weapon? The price of the "empty" Arly Burke does not exceed 500 million, and 300 million worth "Aegis". Do you think it makes sense to do Zumwalt with such bookkeeping?
The only “way in the future” for Zumwalt was the highest energy saturation of the ship, and they planned a railotron on it because it is the only ship of the US Navy without nuclear SU, capable of providing the railgun with the required number of kilowatts. If there is no railgun, what is the point in Zumwalt? Moreover, the program for creating super-shells for Zumwalt guns has recently crashed, and at the moment it can only shoot conventional unguided shells, even Escalibur is not yet available to him. Today, Zumwalt is one of the outstanding failures of the US military-industrial complex, along with the "laser Boeing", the "Comanche" helicopter, the projects "Future Combat Systems" and "Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle" and others.

[voyaka uh]

"for two 155 mm guns and 80 Tomahawks need a platform at a price of 4 billion dollars apiece" ////

So what? Arly Burke - a car worked out to the smallest detail, so the price is half as much.
On the "elekto" -ships (Zumwalt) will gradually go over everything. This is the future. And the Zumvolts will gain experience in operating such ships. And the stealth ship as well.
America, with its 18 trillion GDP, can afford to experiment with new ocean platforms.
(On the "small missile ships" you won’t learn much new).

[abc_alex]

Not twice, but 5 times. I brought the data: Zumwalt without weapons costs 4 billion, and Burke without weapons 800 million.
What do you mean by "electric ship"? Electric circuit? So the British destroyer Dering appeared earlier, walks exactly the same, but costs four times less. And now it shows the full range of problems that accompanies this scheme. EMNIP, at the moment, the British all destroyers of this project are broken. And for a hot climate, they were completely unsuitable. And I’m afraid that, as in the dispute over the “fifth generation of aircraft,” I will disappoint you: electric propulsion has been used for a very long time in civil shipbuilding, but so far no attempts to transfer it to military shipbuilding have been successful. So it’s far from the fact that

all will gradually pass. This is the future.

Personally, this scheme is also pretty for me, but technical difficulties. By the way, for $ 4 billion it would be possible not to be limited to drive on shafts, but to make an installation like "Azipod".

Well, to use the term "stealth" for an object with a displacement of 15 thousand tons and a length of 185 meters, in general, in my opinion, is ridiculous. Given that the ship "does not look" beyond the horizon and is forced to either use third-party target designation, it’s nice to approach the target at the range of the radio horizon.

[voyaka uh]

"Well, to use the term" stealth "for an object with a displacement of 15 thousand tons and a length of 185 meters is generally, in my opinion, ridiculous" ///

Not so funny. Zumvolt was obliged to attach lenses in the ocean passages, otherwise the captains of the oncoming ships, according to the radar, took him for a fishing schooner and then
they were wildly afraid when a giant monster jumped in front of them.

"but so far no attempt to transfer it to military shipbuilding has been successful" ///

Persistent may receive a reward. The British have a lame build quality, a known problem.
Zumvolt is an attack ship, unlike the Berks, imprisoned for air defense / missile defense.
I would give each Zumvolt one Burke and add a couple of “coastal zone ships” catamarans
(they work perfectly against submarines and have three helicopters)
Get a well-protected mini-squadron .

[abc_alex]

Not so funny. Zumvolt was obliged to attach lenses in the ocean passages, otherwise the captains of the oncoming ships, according to the radar, took him for a fishing schooner and then
they were wildly afraid when a giant monster jumped in front of them. wassat

Well, after all, the simplest radar systems are installed on civilian ships, and it’s not just that civilian courts even manage to collide with each other. And, it would seem, a cargo ship and a passenger liner "glow" like a chandelier :)
In addition, I do not exclude that the "story about the reflectors" from the category "Khibiny turned off Arly Burke." The US blood-clad media loves such a fantasy.

Persistent may receive a reward. The British have a lame build quality, a known problem. negative

So Zumwalt also had jambs with the chassis. Moreover, while he seems to be in the open sea and did not go properly.
But after all, electric propulsion is actively used in tugboats, icebreakers, and tankers. Well, really, the British litter their ships worse than ours and the Finns collect tankers of the project R-70046? Or worse than the French picking up the Mistral?
I honestly don’t understand why, having started making full electric movement, the Shtatans didn’t make a scheme similar to Azipod?

I would give each Zumvolt one Burke and add a couple of “coastal zone ships” catamarans

Why such difficulties? As a carrier of cruise missiles with a range of 1000+, Zumwalt is already quite good. Although it is prohibitively expensive. And it is not intended for sea battle in any way, with its wooden superstructure. Zumwalt never will squadron destroyers in the original sense of the term, that is, suitable for action as part of a naval formation against an equal enemy. Their task is colonial raids for the "democratization" of objectionable regimes. And for this, the smaller the group, the better.

[voyaka uh]

I still get the impression that futuristic
the appearance of the ship causes irrational irritation of opponents.
And technical nit-picking is already a consequence of this annoyance.
One way or another, the Americans will somehow adapt their 3 new large first-class missile ships to carry out strike missions.
Zomvolty work.
And what other wound weapons will they try to mount on them? - we will see.
There is a platform.

[abc_alex]

Time will tell.

[Krasniy_lis]

Quote: voyaka uh

America with its 18 trillion GDP

with her 20 trillion debt, you mean?

[Lord of the Sith]

To be more precise

[UVB]

the only U.S. Navy ship without nuclear control capable of providing the railgun needs kilowatts

The catch is not in the number of kilowatts, but in the ability to instantly give all the stored energy to the consumer (railgun). Only capacitors are capable of this, but with current technologies, the required capacity is achievable only with enormous dimensions! And the power of the power plant only affects the charging time of the capacitors, i.e. rate of fire.

[gromoboj]

Is this something they feel sorry for?
http://gosh100.livejournal.com/182532.html

[Krasniy_lis]

Quote: Monos

Our local fans of American high-tech were so proud of him.

And now open the long-standing article in which this same railgun was discussed and remind these "admirers" that they were told about this scam)))

[Alex777]

They just ran out of money. As we have with Barguzin ...

[Vend]

And the noise was According to sawed loot and now close until better times, so that no one had the desire to start an investigation.

[demo]

Relsotron, spalotron - all this from the category of a scam ?!

[RL]

It cannot be said that, rather, some topics are being covered, as civil ones, such as new batteries on new materials, high-speed charging of batteries, etc., will be transferred to universities for development by students. Cheap and cheerful. And for civilians, and for the army, and for the fleet.

[Orionvit]

Quote: RL

Cheap and cheerful.

Yeah, half lard down the drain, nothing. But at least they admitted.

[Lexus]

Quote: Zibelew

One thing is obvious, that in 2020 we will not see the railgun mounted on the destroyer Zumwalt specially created for this project

We’ll survive it somehow. Yes, and the railgun will not work without a spallotron.

Ukrkosmos proposed its developments with a more serious energy
https://youtu.be/AqCVmlndMqk

[RASKAT]

Where are all the opponents who spoke and defended the railgun? Utopia at the current stage of technology, another cut of the budget. It is a pity that only 500 million was spent and not 500 billion. Although if you count along with Zamvolty under which they were supposedly created as the main caliber. Become a little more fun at heart.

[Juborg]

But what, everything, there will be no kina? Is the electricity running out? Salvage drank, all home?

[Nevsky_ZU]

Pass on the design to Ilona Maske)) He will do a cool update on the presentation video and will also cut down 500 million dollars))

[Orionvit]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Pass the design to Ilone Mask

Yeah, he’ll remove the batteries from the Tesla and things will go. They will shoot further and more often. Why didn’t they immediately think of it?

[novel66]

they need to sell them the casting technology of the Tsar Cannon;

[demo]

Wow! I'm crying! You can’t do this without warning!

[Magic archer]

Just a year ago I watched an American movie praising the railgun! It’s supposed that it’s ready for production, it remains only to bring it to industrial production! But it turned out like it was, cut it in American

[Orionvit]

Quote: Magic Archer

it remains only to bring to industrial production

It remains only to determine the scope of its application. Is that a bullet for transformers.

[HAM]

And why didn’t they hook the railgun on the F-35? Such a prodigy fell off!

[demo]

And who and what, as well as where will it launch?
I think that the projectile in one, and the railgun from the F-35 to another will rush.
True, you still have to manage to add a mini-nuclear power plant!

[HAM]

And what's the difference, what and where to fly, the main thing is to "develop" money, and more !!

[Egorovich]

Great cut means. Bravo, mattress !!!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Egorovich

Bravo, mattress !!!

However, doves of the world. The discharge is striding across the planet. Well, we are not lagging behind - the BZHRK, so far, seems to have slowed down. Peace to the world!

[Vita vko]

Quote: Egorovich

Great cut means

In a country that can afford to print money as much as it wants and at the same time, the amount of sawn funds does not matter if it is provided through trade in other countries. it only goes to the + American parasitic economy.

[shans2]

typically, no one doubted with lasers, here either.

[Mountain shooter]

This is the "cistern"! Oh, damn it. We never dreamed

[demo]

Our "satellites" are sawing. Mom do not cry.
Suffers, no matter how the treasury turned out, but the image.
Like, happiness is not in money!
Oh and Dmitry Anatolyevich.

[Skay]

An SDI prescription scam did not work. This is a "+".
However, the Americans gained experience. This is for us "-".

[Dead duck]

Quote: Skay

This is for us "-"

Ours at one time (the USSR) had enough of everything and “scored” because of a bunch of minuses, and technology does not allow it yet.
And the Yankees as a freebie in 90 got our best practices and played with them ... the result is the same.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Deadush

Ours already at one time (USSR) played enough with everything and “scored” because of a bunch of minuses

Ours perfectly understood and distinguished where basic research is, and where applied science. The same trumpeted the whole world, about the "miracle of weapons", which turned out to be an ordinary dumping for half a billion. And everything is fine, all of them are "God's dew."

[LUCKY777]

What's next, a Jedi sword? I remember in Quake2, in addition to the railgun, there was a hyperbuster, only let its shortcomings in the description of the weapons in the game be revered, but how it works here.

Briefly: If you have ever played TeamFortress, you should know SniperRifle (sniper rifle). Railgun’s uranium bullets fly at tremendous speed and practically instantly hit the enemy, while the firing force is such that the weapon’s destructive ability remains unchanged at any distance ..

Advantages: Railgun has the greatest range without loss of power. When hit by a person, a bullet shoots him and continues to fly further. History has known cases of the killing of three people (probably more) by one shot.

Minuses: You need to be a very sharp shooter, as it takes a long time to charge, and if you don’t fall into the first 1-2 shots, you will soon find out that you are mortal. It is necessary to get exactly into the model of a person, otherwise he will not lose not a percent.

[Cxnumx]

One thing is obvious, that in 2020 we will not see the railgun mounted on specially created for this project destroyer zumwalt

well done, cut was successful

[SOF]

The US military, having spent more than $ 500 million on a rail weapon project, wants to close it.

... oh, and they run up, these American military.
In the near future they will come a number of respected experts with HE, which they prove in physical and mathematical calculations that they are downs, do not understand anything at all in sausage scraps and are obliged to complete an almost completed object .........

[Orionvit]

Quote: SOF

In the near future a number of respected experts from VO will come to them, who will prove to them in physical and mathematical layouts that they are down, do not understand anything in sausage scraps and are obliged to complete an almost completed facility ..

Though I don’t respected expert with VO, but for another half billion of their dollars, I agree to head the closed railgun program. And on physical and mathematical layouts and sausage scraps, prove that they gave up early. For their money, any whim, especially ideas of the sea. At least build a death star. Saw so big.

[SOF]

... under such conditions, I would also take part
And by the way, if there are a lot of ideas, it is better to take not quantity, but quantity. To say the budget, for conspiracy it is possible and more modestly to lay

[Orionvit]

Quote: SOF

under such conditions, I would also take part

Join me, I'm not greedy, the amount is large, enough for everyone. Give a cut of the American budget!

[gridasov]

Quote: SOF

In the near future a number of respected experts from VO will come to them,

Of course sarcasm is felt in these words, but this does not interfere with the matter. I will give an example of the fact that today there was a note about the creation in TsAGI of a physical-mathematical model of the engine electric propulsion fuel and electronic engine for engines flying in low orbits, and after all, as I laughed and ironized about what I was talking about. By the way, they did not create such a model that was logical enough and effective in the analysis of processes so that one could talk about the engine itself as an effective device for converting the energy of an elastic medium.
Well, they sat down about railgun technology, then I repeat that without technology of energy concentration and the creation of algorithmic processes in the formation of magnetic force processes, all this remains underdeveloped projects.

[Azazelo]

Eva how. And how much noise it was how much noise.

[vasilkovichi]

But what about Zumwalt? Will it remain a grotesque iron?

[Berkut24]

Saw the Shura, they are shabby! (with)

[V]

Technique - Youth 2000, Issue 06, Page 8-11.

[K-50]

In truth, a bottomless barrel and a printing press not controlled by the state allow money to rush from one technical adventurous extreme to another.

[Lord of the Sith]

Reminds Nazis before defeat.

[K-50]

Quote: Sith Lord

Reminds Nazis before defeat.

Looking for a child prodigy?

[Bronevick]

Perhaps this is the answer to the question why Barguzin was closed.

[Normal ok]

United States close the program to create a railgun

It may well be that encrypted. The main thing is that new technologies have been worked out. R&D worked out. Even the article indicates that some elements of the program are already ready for use in related fields.

[Stiletto_711]

But how to replace all naval artillery with rails?

[Mentat]

One thing is obvious, that in 2020 we will not see the railgun mounted on the destroyer Zumwalt specially created for this project

In fact, no one who was even able to understand the topic in a tiny fraction could not doubt it. Saw the Shura, they are golden.

[pilot306]

Again, a military review raves. What the heck are "5-inch" guns used in the US Air Force, only on the Gunships? Write better about Ukraine, here you have more fun, military experts.

[aries2200]

played toys .. it's time to play another billion billion green ... okay.