Su-57 took off with the engine 2-th stage

His first flight with the new engine made the Russian 5-th generation aircraft Su-57 (earlier name - T-50). The Minister of Industry and Commerce Denis Manturov told the media about the testing of the aircraft with the new engine. He is quoted by the press service of the ministry:

This is proof of the high potential of the Russian aircraft industry capable of creating highly intelligent advanced systems - a unique airframe, innovative digital stuffing, and the latest engines.

Reportedly completed tests. The flight of the Su-57 lasted about 17 minutes. The fifth generation aircraft was piloted by the chief test pilot of the Sukhoi company (the company is part of the United Aircraft Building Corporation) Sergei Bogdan.

We are talking about a multi-purpose aircraft with a second-stage engine, which has truly unique capabilities and characteristics.

Earlier it was reported that the delivery of Su-57 aircraft to the troops will begin in 2019 year. This was stated in an interview with Russian media by Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov.

"Russia 24" showed the first flight of the Su-57 with a new engine:

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[zzdimk]

And how many stages are there?

[siberalt]

17 minutes of flight? But is it not enough for a report?

[milling machine]

And the new engine is only one on the plane, the other of the first stage.

[Zhelezyakin]

This is a flying lab. It should be so. The first engine is an old one, worked out for flight and insurance in case of a new model failure. So always tested new products. The second is a new one; the characteristics of the test program are removed from it in flight.

[NEXUS]

Quote: frezer

And the new engine is only one on the plane, the other of the first stage.

The engine of the first stage is safety, it’s checked and if something goes wrong with the product 30, the fighter will reach the airfield on one tested engine. Everything is simple and logical. Now read the parameters of the product 30 in flight, adjust and test in different modes.
All this will be done a year or two ... after already military tests (and fleeting, maybe 12 cars will already pass these tests with product 117), and a series.

[Hunter]

And where are the slotted nozzles like F22? Where is the promised stealth?

[Titsen]

Quote: siberalt

17 minutes of flight? But is it not enough for a report?

Imagine, they also started on the earth many, many times without takeoff - this is called TESTING OF NEW TECHNIQUE.

This is not for you to sit on the couch!

[siberalt]

But is it too early to report to those sitting on the couch?

[insular]

Quote: siberalt

But is it too early to report to those sitting on the couch?

Su-57 took off with engine 2nd stage.
Got up? Yes, I got up.
What is not accuracy or timeliness?

[maxim947]

Great news, now things should go more fun)))

[Stegosaurus Brontosaurus]

Quote: insular

Su-57 took off with engine 2nd stage ...
What is not accuracy ...?

And where was the engine?

[opus]

Quote: insular

What is not accuracy or timeliness?

in it

I did not fotozhipil
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that's how we live

[loginovich]

Just right - elections on the nose.

[insular]

Quote: loginovich

picks on the nose.

Who is talking about it, and it’s zhizoblakitnye about politics ... But I would hint to you that the elections for which a new generation plane is being rolled out with a new generation engine is much better than the races on burning tires without elections or for which I roll out wooden catapults and Molotov cocktails ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: insular

Quote: loginovich

picks on the nose.

Who is talking about it, and it’s zhizoblakitnye about politics ... But I would hint to you that the elections for which a new generation plane is being rolled out with a new generation engine is much better than the races on burning tires without elections or for which I roll out wooden catapults and Molotov cocktails ...

[Sergey Polt]

Yes, while we are lagging behind world leaders - this is certainly not a coffin flying on the railroad ties with a proton dvigun .... In the same paramogga ...

[Macross]

we are lagging behind in electronics, in radars such as headlights and stealth, but otherwise we are probably ahead.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Macross

we are lagging behind in electronics, in radars such as headlights and stealth, but otherwise we are probably ahead.

In ballet?

[Macross]

Well, they’ve been talking about the second stage engine for 2 years now. Fine.

[Topotun]

Normally, they will finish it for another year. But it’s already flying .... Eh, it would be five years earlier to start all this rearmament!

[alexmach]

But is it too early to report to those sitting on the couch? laughing

But we won’t understand the couches. It was reported in advance, then there was no information for a long time

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: siberalt

17 minutes of flight? But is it not enough for a report?

3 minutes are enough for a report.
Just because previously, of course, the engine was driven at the stands. There, all modes were checked, from minimum to afterburner. Flying in minutes is a complex test, preceding resource. The next test is on the stands before destruction. To determine the limits. And a set of uptime statistics. Things are not getting smaller. Further unfolding, which must be carried out in strict sequence.

[Zhelezyakin]

Well, the 17 minutes of testing for LL are not limited to ... I think I fly to her and fly)))

[Monahsb]

you are a little mistaken at stnd do not bring to destruction permanent monitoring at the first signs of destruction the engine is removed and disassembled for analysis of nodes

[Hunter]

F22 has been mass-produced since 2001, and Putin began public funding of PAK-FA only in 2006, and here is the result.

[forester]

Quote: Hunter

F22 has been mass-produced since 2001, and Putin began public funding of PAK-FA only in 2006, and here is the result.

You can’t say anything stupid))) you are a clinically stupid subject. Here, Putin directly finances personally)))

[insular]

Quote: zzdimk

And how many stages are there?

What kind of bunker do you live in, that in the last 5-7 years, this information has not reached you?

[zzdimk]

They promised a new engine, but the military’s appetite is constantly changing, requirements are changing. I wonder how many times they will change them now?

[MadCat]

Quote: zzdimk

They promised a new engine, but the military’s appetite is constantly changing, requirements are changing. I wonder how many times they will change them now?

I think the period of testing and establishing serial production will take at least 5-7 years.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: zzdimk

They promised a new engine, but the military’s appetite is constantly changing, requirements are changing. I wonder how many times they will change them now?

They will change. And it is right. But this does not mean that the requirements will be poured constantly. They accumulate over time as the technique of a potential adversary improves. And there are periods that allow you to produce a series with legalized tactical and technical requirements. Then follow the changes that lead to the design phase. Either on existing hardware, or creating a new one.

[Zhelezyakin]

The engine of the second stage is the engine of this aircraft. Those. It is created by TTZ just for fifty dollars. At the first stage, the so-called ed. 117.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: zzdimk

And how many stages are there?

There is no limit to perfection.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: zzdimk

And how many stages are there?

The very concept of “stage” is conditional, because no one forbids creating a new one all the time, but for this plane there has long been information that there are plans for the “third stage” engine. In any case, the second stage engine promises to be a breakthrough, and perhaps even surpasses the F-35 engine. By the way, I remember how recently experts from the promised land proved that a plane with this “second stage” engine would take off very soon.

[Uncle lee]

Well, at least it pleases (manenko!)

[vovanpain]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Well, at least it pleases (manenko!)

Volodya Why manenko Great news.

[Uncle lee]

Hello namesake! I began to treat the news very carefully: in the headline one thing, but in life, quite another!

[Vitas]

The fifth generation aircraft was piloted by the chief test pilot of the Sukhoi company Sergey Bogdan.

Here the pilot got settled! And for Sergey and for Bogdan receives a salary!

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Vitas

Here the pilot got settled! And for Sergey and for Bogdan receives a salary!

And, if he also assigned the name "Total" to himself, then raspberries in general.

[Seaflame]

as civilian sailors on two-pipe ships said: two pipes - one salary!

[Herculesic]

Interestingly, is this one of the previously built prototypes, or is it the first production one with new engines ??

[insular]

Quote: Herkulesich

is it one of the previously built prototypes, or is it the first serial with new engines ??

Flight number 052 (Second flight prototype. The first flight took place on March 3, 2011)

[Alexander War]

About a year they will test the new engine!

[inkass_98]

In the video, the announcer talks about the top speed in 3000 km / h. Something is somehow hard to believe, taking into account the design and materials of the airframe. The MiG-31 is immediately believed in speed, but vague doubts swallow it.

[insular]

Quote: inkass_98

announcer says

The announcer will not lie ...

[inkass_98]

Well, then I’m calm, otherwise I began to worry ...

[BABAY22]

There is such a respected publication as RIA Novosti on its website yesterday, therefore, it has written such a question. First, they had the T-50 prototype PAK DA and subsonic, then they corrected the fact that this BOMBER was still PAK FA and supersonic, and in the future should replace the Tu-22M3, TU-95 and Tu-160. Oh how! Victims of the exam gradually penetrate into all spheres of our life :(

[Ren]

2,5M - good, but somehow

not enough

[Herman 4223]

It will probably accelerate more than 31, its engine thrust is greater than that of the 31st, only the glider will overheat a little, so speed will be limited, if 3000 does not pick up for long.

[jonht]

It turns out that they decided not to build airplanes with the engine of the first stage, probably that there wouldn’t be a maintenance fleet, all the cars will be of the same type.

[Seaflame]

Most likely, with a dozen, with the engine of the first stage, it will go into operation

[1vlad19]

So I wonder if they will open the production of engines for K-57 in Komsomol.

[Zaurbek]

I’m interested in something else, can this engine be put on the rest of the Sukhoi lineup later?

[Mwg]

They say - you can

[Zhelezyakin]

They say chickens are milked. And why do you need a more thrust-armed motor on a glider that is not designed for loads exceeding the calculated ones?

[Zhelezyakin]

No! They were never produced there. Ufa ...

[1vlad19]

Well, in general, I am aware that there is no factory. They make T-50 (SU-57) in Komsomolsk.

[Zhelezyakin]

Then I did not understand your post ...

Quote: 1vlad19

So I wonder if they will open the production of engines for K-57 in Komsomol.

Nakoy to fence a garden, if there is a plant, with qualified personnel and all the necessary equipment in Ufa? There engines for Su-shek have been manufactured for more than one 10 years and not one generation ...

[1vlad19]

In your opinion, it is not necessary to raise the regions? Drying is done in Novosib, Irkutsk, Koms. And engines are only in Ufa. Why drive the trains to Siberia and the Far East, can it be easier to open production here?

[Zhelezyakin]

No, not easier. It’s just just on paper - “Let's build a plant that will manufacture engines!” In fact, it turns out - there is no space, you need to build; no machines - need to buy; no staff - need to learn and share experience; there is no turnover - you need more Dryers, but not simple ones, but the 57s, and they are not in the series yet. And Ufa what to do? Sit in one's hands? There, in your opinion, the region does not need to be developed? Everyone should eat their carrots.
Py Sy
Rybinsk, on the basis of his plant, which has existed for several years, tried to establish the production of individual engine parts of the first stage. Alas, it did not work out ... I agree with you, you need to develop regions, but in this particular case, nothing good will come of it!

[1vlad19]

Yah. There is a square. In one Komsomolsk there are two lanes, Dzemgi and Khurba. The second dual purpose. Build, attract personnel is not a question. Far East is a promising region.

[Zhelezyakin]

Apparently you are not reading what is written above ... Sorry!

[1vlad19]

It is a pity that you do not understand. We are not here to break.

[Zhelezyakin]

I understand it very well;) but this stubbornness (in the good sense of the word) and in a more useful direction!

[1vlad19]

We are on track)

[K-50]

Su-57 took off with the engine 2-th stage

Well, the difference is !!!!! ???
Is there a reason to break spears?

[Navigator Basov]

Seriously? In order not to know this, it was necessary to deliberately avoid this information, since it was strewed everywhere for a long time. Stage 1 engine AL-41Ф1 (product 117) - modernization of the Soviet legacy with 9500 kgf thrust (15 000 kgf afterburner), product 30 - completely new engine with 11 000 thrust (18 500 kgfbb afterburner) and increased fuel consumption operation. The point is not even in the absolute values ​​of traction, but in the fact that the new engine gives a thrust-weight ratio at full load of more than 1 and will guarantee to surpass the F-22 in terms of thrust-weight ratio and cruising speed.
I can’t stop wondering how you feel bad, whatever you do. There is nothing new - bad, there is something new - bad again: you do not see the differences.

[K-50]

Quote: Navigator Basov

Seriously? In order not to know this, you had to intentionally avoid this information,

What are you talking about?
The figures that you brought are known, but how they appeared in flight !!!!!
Vika can be read without you.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: K-50

Quote: Navigator Basov

Seriously? In order not to know this, you had to intentionally avoid this information,

What are you talking about?
The figures that you brought are known, but how they appeared in flight !!!!!
Vika can be read without you.

Do not run ahead of the engine. And read it thoughtfully. 17 minutes of flight does not provide any data on the maximum flight modes. This is ahead. The fact is important.

[K-50]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Do not run ahead of the engine.

One more criticism.
If you drive a car, do you feel the difference between different models, including engines? Or is it all past? even in the initial movements you can see the nuances. Here I am talking about them. Was there a difference between the devices of the 1st and 2nd stages?
Complicated?

[Zhelezyakin]

Must be. However, to say more accurately, you need to know the flight / test program. I strongly doubt that in the first flight he was taken to max speed or to afterburner.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: K-50

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Do not run ahead of the engine.

One more criticism.
If you drive a car, do you feel the difference between different models, including engines? Or is it all past? even in the initial movements you can see the nuances. Here I am talking about them. Was there a difference between the devices of the 1st and 2nd stages?
Complicated?

Apparently, it's hard for you to understand what the difference is. But it is not difficult for them, since such a body-weight with engine replacement has been started. There would be no difference, they did not start.

[Navigator Basov]

Do you put secret test reports on the Internet?
Anyway, this is the first flight of the engine. The difference is huge, from 0 to 100%: there was no flight - there is a flight. Fact. His test and recorded.

[K-50]

Quote: Navigator Basov

You

Do not poke at strangers, please. If it’s so hard just don’t respond to posts.
Secret is not necessary, interesting, but not necessary.
About the nuances that I was interested in, have already been voiced in other articles.
All the best.

[g1washntwn]

Liberally imprisoned visitors make jokes less and less ridiculous. The moan about “never takes off” was replaced by “until the 20th year is still far”, the number of stages, one engine, etc.
For the project, frankly happy. TTX and the number in operation let it be a surprise, spies - on the count.

[Navigator Basov]

Well, now it would be interesting to see how they would repeat that there is no engine.

[CooL_SnipeR]

Finally! All according to plan

[Silver fox_2]

Good luck!

[Mwg]

Engine dvuhsrednik!?

[vadimtt]

Something I do not see a place on this dryer for tens of tons of oxygen / nitric acid

[Mwg]

Tens of tons of oxygen/nitric acid is required for a ground launch and to overcome the dense atmosphere. An atmospheric engine is enough to reach 33 m (example: 000 July 1973, 25 m Alexander Fedotov MiG-33140 turbojet engine). From 25 thousand to 33 thousand, taking into account the existing acceleration, it will take not tens - a few tons of fuel and oxidizer. And then maneuvering and horizontal acceleration impulsively

[vadimtt]

Minus units of tons of combat load? There is no sense, not for those heights this machine was created to put a two-medium engine on it.

[Mwg]

Pay attention to the area of ​​the planes. Explicitly for work in a discharged atmosphere. And why not put a double agent? Under highly specialized tasks, it’s quite suitable for itself in the form of modifications with special weapons. A laser, for example. Satellites from low orbit to shoot.
By the way, the article was the other day about our xenon ion shunting engines. write that already in production

[vadimtt]

This is just your Wishlist The double-agent even on the mythical 6th generation is unlikely to be. And forget about lasers - no energy - no lasers. There is energy - a problem where to dump heat, gigawatts

[Mwg]

The article was a month or two ago about the successful testing of a prototype two-medium engine. The Air Force was renamed the VKS. What other signs do you need? Do you want TTX in the public domain, or what?
Chemical-pumped lasers already existed in 1984. In the form of a personal weapon of an astronaut. More than 30 years have passed, technology does not stand still. My Wishlist are following the progress)))

[Navigator Basov]

The impression that you grabbed clever terms, and everything mixed up in your head. Su-57 was not conceived as an interceptor, it is an aviation complex of front-line aviation, satellites will be shooting an upgraded hypothetical MiG-41.

[Mwg]

Not you, but you. For, I don’t remember you with me at the same table.
If there is something in essence, argue, no - leave your speculations and conclusions for your feast

[Navigator Basov]

What else to argue? Prove that I (along with the creators of Su-57) are not a camel? Su-57 is not a high-altitude interceptor (this is well known), since it is a front-line aviation complex (included in the name of the project) - consider a linear fighter-bomber, of the F / A-18 type. The goals of front-line aviation are tactical (operational-tactical), interceptors - strategic (bombers, cruise missiles, now low-orbit satellites, suborbital aircraft, BSU systems, if you want). This is PAK DP, also known as the possible Mig-41.
https://topwar.ru/118224-proekt-pak-dp-zamena-dly
a-mig-31.html

[Mwg]

Well yes. You're right. The official version is this.

[Navigator Basov]

Yeah, that is, unofficially tactical bombers fulfill our strategic goals, and high-altitude interceptors - tanks bomb? Well, why so slide?

[Mwg]

In ancient times, wall to wall went to war, later to order, then to square, then positional trench warfare, then frontal, now local actions of small units. The method of warfare and battle is determined by technological development, which determines the method of warfare. Do not you mind? Further: the first to apply new technologies, the first to impose a new battle tactic, which is a breakdown of the enemy’s stereotype and, as a result, leads to victory. Do not you mind? Concealment of technology is appropriate for the time being. Do you mind? Accordingly, it is advisable to call, for example, a gun a club. Right?
Now about the SU-57. Information about the use of hydrocarbon materials, a reinforced airframe, a sealed pilot compartment, a powerful on-board computer with control tasks, the shape and area of ​​the wing - all this indicates the possibility of using the device in a rarefied atmosphere. As the Americans say: if a bird looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, then this is a duck. If the SU-57 looks like a stratospheric apparatus, I consider it to be such. The purpose of the aircraft can be judged by the official version, it is possible by its characteristics, by its appearance and information about its design (which is publicly available). I believe that this aircraft may well go into near space in the form in which it is presented and with the appropriate power plant. This is my opinion and I want to believe in it, because I believe in the genius of our techies. I expressed my opinion here and even someone supported me.
Your right to assert that the device is what they say and nothing more. And this is also the opinion and nothing more. I doubt that they report to you about the concepts and technologies being introduced, as well as to me.

[SOF]

Add:

Tens of tons of oxygen / nitric acid are required for a ground launch and overcoming a dense atmosphere ...

...and detachment(this means not taking off on planes using lift) from the ground 2 - 7 hundred(!!!) tons of mass.

[insular]

Quote: MVG

Engine dvuhsrednik!?

Of course!
The underwater surface while also armored!

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: MVG

Engine dvuhsrednik!?

Before filling in a vacuum, it will be quickly replaced.

[Navigator Basov]

In a liquid vacuum?

[Dimax]

And I remember talking: we won’t build the 5th generation of planes, we’ll immediately jump to the 4th with the 6+, well, alas, to catch up and overtake the Americans, alas, it didn’t work out five years behind ....

[I doubt it]

Quote: Dimax

... and so five years behind them turns out ....

Not five, but more than 25!
In 1991, they presented me with a book “World War Planes,” so there was already YF-22!

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Dimax

And I remember talking: we won’t build the 5th generation of planes, we’ll immediately jump to the 4th with the 6+, well, alas, to catch up and overtake the Americans, alas, it didn’t work out five years behind ....

Lag in the reports? What are you talking about, first grader?

[Foxmara]

Quote: Dimax

And I remember talking: we won’t build the 5th generation of planes, we’ll immediately jump to the 4th with the 6+, well, alas, to catch up and overtake the Americans, alas, it didn’t work out five years behind ....

What is the lag? From an unsuccessful bumblebee plane? From an airplane that was banned from production? From an airplane in which pilots complain that they cannot see the Russians on the SU-30? From a hulking iron? Or maybe the Yankees used to have helmet pointers before? If they lagged behind, then why do the Yankees refuse to conduct air battles?

[Navigator Basov]

He who hastens will amuse people. Choking pilots, falling off radar absorbing coating, course yaw when firing a cannon, and so on. Ours have a schedule, and they are not far behind him, this is the most important thing. The dog barks - the caravan moves on (now ours). They have just the wildest lag behind the schedule, the development is delayed, the budget is exceeded many times, then look at the F-18 they will begin to upgrade further, just not to invest more in the upstarts of the 5 generation.

[Asthma]

good luck. more engines, more than thirty fifth with these engines.

[Navigator Basov]

The installation of these engines on the Su-35С is not planned.

[Kurochkin]

And that's great !!! Keep it up !!!

[bk316]

And how wonderful trolls and liberals of VO appeared!

While there was no engine in every comment, they wrote that without this engine it would not be a plane at all, but it’s still unfinished.
When they tried out on earth in every comment they wrote that the plane with him would fly like that at 25.
And now, well, THERE HAVE SUPPLIED A NEW ENGINE, WELL, AND WHAT FOR THE NEWS
Sleeping "slept"!

[Zomanus]

Well, this is purely for checking the state of the engine in real flight.
Sea trials will begin on the 4-5 engine.

[Tektor]

But it will go down in history that the PAK FA made its first flight in January 2010, and received its engine in December 2017. Eight years. Paradox!

[Voyager]

Not the longest time.

[Navigator Basov]

With the Internet it won’t go down, everything will go down well in history. And before the Internet, such things normally went down in history: often new tank towers were tested on old buildings, and only then the new building was pulled up, not everything went down in history more than once. Moreover, in 2010 the first flight was made by PAK FA (T-50), and with the new engine - Su-57.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Tektor

But it will go down in history that the PAK FA made its first flight in January 2010, and received its engine in December 2017. Eight years. Paradox!

What is the paradox? Scumbling nonsense. In order to throw shit? If, for example, a new rocket appears for him in the year 20, will you count down by year 20? Or a radar at 30?

[Navigator Basov]

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F22 + F35 = Su-57