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Su-57 took off with the engine 2-th stage

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His first flight with the new engine made the Russian 5-th generation aircraft Su-57 (earlier name - T-50). The Minister of Industry and Commerce Denis Manturov told the media about the testing of the aircraft with the new engine. He is quoted by the press service of the ministry:


This is proof of the high potential of the Russian aircraft industry capable of creating highly intelligent advanced systems - a unique airframe, innovative digital stuffing, and the latest engines.


Reportedly completed tests. The flight of the Su-57 lasted about 17 minutes. The fifth generation aircraft was piloted by the chief test pilot of the Sukhoi company (the company is part of the United Aircraft Building Corporation) Sergei Bogdan.

We are talking about a multi-purpose aircraft with a second-stage engine, which has truly unique capabilities and characteristics.

Earlier it was reported that the delivery of Su-57 aircraft to the troops will begin in 2019 year. This was stated in an interview with Russian media by Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov.

"Russia 24" showed the first flight of the Su-57 with a new engine:
Photos used:
Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Russia24
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  1. zzdimk
    zzdimk 6 December 2017 06: 17 New
    +3
    And how many stages are there?
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 6 December 2017 06: 26 New
      0
      17 minutes of flight? But is it not enough for a report?
      1. milling machine
        milling machine 6 December 2017 06: 29 New
        +3
        And the new engine is only one on the plane, the other of the first stage.
        1. Zhelezyakin
          Zhelezyakin 6 December 2017 09: 59 New
          24
          This is a flying lab. It should be so. The first engine is an old one, worked out for flight and insurance in case of a new model failure. So always tested new products. The second is a new one; the characteristics of the test program are removed from it in flight.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 6 December 2017 12: 59 New
          +5
          Quote: frezer
          And the new engine is only one on the plane, the other of the first stage.

          The engine of the first stage is safety, it’s checked and if something goes wrong with the product 30, the fighter will reach the airfield on one tested engine. Everything is simple and logical. Now read the parameters of the product 30 in flight, adjust and test in different modes.
          All this will be done a year or two ... after already military tests (and fleeting, maybe 12 cars will already pass these tests with product 117), and a series.
        3. Hunter
          Hunter 6 December 2017 21: 11 New
          0
          And where are the slotted nozzles like F22? Where is the promised stealth?
      2. Titsen
        Titsen 6 December 2017 06: 38 New
        57
        Quote: siberalt
        17 minutes of flight? But is it not enough for a report?


        Imagine, they also started on the earth many, many times without takeoff - this is called TESTING OF NEW TECHNIQUE.

        This is not for you to sit on the couch!
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 6 December 2017 06: 39 New
          +2
          But is it too early to report to those sitting on the couch? laughing
          1. insular
            insular 6 December 2017 06: 46 New
            18
            Quote: siberalt
            But is it too early to report to those sitting on the couch?

            Su-57 took off with engine 2nd stage.
            Got up? Yes, I got up.
            What is not accuracy or timeliness?
            1. maxim947
              maxim947 6 December 2017 06: 59 New
              11
              Great news, now things should go more fun)))
            2. Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
              Stegosaurus Brontosaurus 6 December 2017 09: 36 New
              0
              Quote: insular

              Su-57 took off with engine 2nd stage ...
              What is not accuracy ...?

              And where was the engine?
            3. opus
              opus 6 December 2017 19: 00 New
              0
              Quote: insular
              What is not accuracy or timeliness?

              in it

              I did not fotozhipil
              article

              https://rueconomics.ru/293418-s-novoi-avionikoi-i
              -oruzhiem-su-34-skoro-stanet-sovershennym-frontov
              ym-bombardirovshchikom
              With a new avionics and weapons: Su-34 will soon become the perfect front-line bomber
              20: 03 05 December 20171 806Moscow


              that's how we live belay
          2. loginovich
            loginovich 6 December 2017 08: 14 New
            +1
            Just right - elections on the nose.
            1. insular
              insular 6 December 2017 09: 03 New
              22
              Quote: loginovich
              picks on the nose.

              Who is talking about it, and it’s zhizoblakitnye about politics ... But I would hint to you that the elections for which a new generation plane is being rolled out with a new generation engine is much better than the races on burning tires without elections or for which I roll out wooden catapults and Molotov cocktails ...
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 6 December 2017 17: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: insular
                Quote: loginovich
                picks on the nose.

                Who is talking about it, and it’s zhizoblakitnye about politics ... But I would hint to you that the elections for which a new generation plane is being rolled out with a new generation engine is much better than the races on burning tires without elections or for which I roll out wooden catapults and Molotov cocktails ...

                lol lol lol good good good good good good
            2. Sergey Polt
              Sergey Polt 6 December 2017 10: 49 New
              +4
              Yes, while we are lagging behind world leaders - this is certainly not a coffin flying on the railroad ties with a proton dvigun .... In the same paramogga ...
              1. Macross
                Macross 6 December 2017 11: 53 New
                0
                we are lagging behind in electronics, in radars such as headlights and stealth, but otherwise we are probably ahead.
                1. Town Hall
                  Town Hall 7 December 2017 21: 08 New
                  0
                  Quote: Macross
                  we are lagging behind in electronics, in radars such as headlights and stealth, but otherwise we are probably ahead.



                  In ballet?
          3. Macross
            Macross 6 December 2017 11: 49 New
            0
            Well, they’ve been talking about the second stage engine for 2 years now. Fine.
          4. Topotun
            Topotun 6 December 2017 11: 51 New
            +2
            Normally, they will finish it for another year. But it’s already flying .... Eh, it would be five years earlier to start all this rearmament!
          5. alexmach
            alexmach 6 December 2017 12: 18 New
            +4
            But is it too early to report to those sitting on the couch? laughing

            But we won’t understand the couches. It was reported in advance, then there was no information for a long time
      3. dubovitskiy.1947
        dubovitskiy.1947 6 December 2017 11: 00 New
        +8
        Quote: siberalt
        17 minutes of flight? But is it not enough for a report?

        3 minutes are enough for a report.
        Just because previously, of course, the engine was driven at the stands. There, all modes were checked, from minimum to afterburner. Flying in minutes is a complex test, preceding resource. The next test is on the stands before destruction. To determine the limits. And a set of uptime statistics. Things are not getting smaller. Further unfolding, which must be carried out in strict sequence.
        1. Zhelezyakin
          Zhelezyakin 6 December 2017 12: 55 New
          +2
          Well, the 17 minutes of testing for LL are not limited to ... I think I fly to her and fly)))
        2. monahsb
          monahsb 3 January 2018 20: 04 New
          0
          you are a little mistaken at stnd do not bring to destruction permanent monitoring at the first signs of destruction the engine is removed and disassembled for analysis of nodes
      4. Hunter
        Hunter 6 December 2017 21: 09 New
        0
        F22 has been mass-produced since 2001, and Putin began public funding of PAK-FA only in 2006, and here is the result.
        1. forester
          forester 7 December 2017 21: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Hunter
          F22 has been mass-produced since 2001, and Putin began public funding of PAK-FA only in 2006, and here is the result.

          You can’t say anything stupid))) you are a clinically stupid subject. Here, Putin directly finances personally)))
    2. insular
      insular 6 December 2017 06: 43 New
      +6
      Quote: zzdimk
      And how many stages are there?

      What kind of bunker do you live in, that in the last 5-7 years, this information has not reached you?
      1. zzdimk
        zzdimk 6 December 2017 07: 36 New
        +4
        They promised a new engine, but the military’s appetite is constantly changing, requirements are changing. I wonder how many times they will change them now?
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 6 December 2017 07: 45 New
          0
          Quote: zzdimk
          They promised a new engine, but the military’s appetite is constantly changing, requirements are changing. I wonder how many times they will change them now?

          I think the period of testing and establishing serial production will take at least 5-7 years.
        2. dubovitskiy.1947
          dubovitskiy.1947 6 December 2017 11: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: zzdimk
          They promised a new engine, but the military’s appetite is constantly changing, requirements are changing. I wonder how many times they will change them now?

          They will change. And it is right. But this does not mean that the requirements will be poured constantly. They accumulate over time as the technique of a potential adversary improves. And there are periods that allow you to produce a series with legalized tactical and technical requirements. Then follow the changes that lead to the design phase. Either on existing hardware, or creating a new one.
    3. Zhelezyakin
      Zhelezyakin 6 December 2017 09: 56 New
      +8
      The engine of the second stage is the engine of this aircraft. Those. It is created by TTZ just for fifty dollars. At the first stage, the so-called ed. 117.
    4. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 6 December 2017 10: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: zzdimk
      And how many stages are there?

      There is no limit to perfection.
    5. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 6 December 2017 15: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: zzdimk
      And how many stages are there?

      The very concept of “stage” is conditional, because no one forbids creating a new one all the time, but for this plane there has long been information that there are plans for the “third stage” engine. In any case, the second stage engine promises to be a breakthrough, and perhaps even surpasses the F-35 engine. By the way, I remember how recently experts from the promised land proved that a plane with this “second stage” engine would take off very soon. smile
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 6 December 2017 06: 18 New
    14
    Well, at least it pleases (manenko!) good good
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 6 December 2017 07: 54 New
      21
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Well, at least it pleases (manenko!) good good

      Volodya hi Why manenko wink Great news. good good good hi
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 6 December 2017 07: 59 New
        10
        Hello namesake! hi I began to treat the news very carefully: in the headline one thing, but in life, quite another!
  3. Vitas
    Vitas 6 December 2017 06: 23 New
    11
    The fifth generation aircraft was piloted by the chief test pilot of the Sukhoi company Sergey Bogdan.


    Here the pilot got settled! And for Sergey and for Bogdan receives a salary! laughing
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 6 December 2017 07: 50 New
      +8
      Quote: Vitas
      Here the pilot got settled! And for Sergey and for Bogdan receives a salary!

      And, if he also assigned the name "Total" to himself, then raspberries in general.
    2. Seaflame
      Seaflame 6 December 2017 09: 51 New
      +4
      as civilian sailors on two-pipe ships said: two pipes - one salary!
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 6 December 2017 06: 33 New
    +1
    Interestingly, is this one of the previously built prototypes, or is it the first production one with new engines ??
    1. insular
      insular 6 December 2017 06: 50 New
      +9
      Quote: Herkulesich
      is it one of the previously built prototypes, or is it the first serial with new engines ??

      Flight number 052 (Second flight prototype. The first flight took place on March 3, 2011)
  5. Alexander War
    Alexander War 6 December 2017 06: 59 New
    +4
    About a year they will test the new engine!
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 6 December 2017 07: 04 New
    +7
    In the video, the announcer talks about the top speed in 3000 km / h. Something is somehow hard to believe, taking into account the design and materials of the airframe. The MiG-31 is immediately believed in speed, but vague doubts swallow it.
    1. insular
      insular 6 December 2017 07: 06 New
      +8
      Quote: inkass_98
      announcer says

      The announcer will not lie ... lol
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 6 December 2017 07: 11 New
        +3
        Well, then I’m calm, otherwise I began to worry ...
      2. BABAY22
        BABAY22 6 December 2017 08: 53 New
        +7
        There is such a respected publication as RIA Novosti on its website yesterday, therefore, it has written such a question. First, they had the T-50 prototype PAK DA and subsonic, then they corrected the fact that this BOMBER was still PAK FA and supersonic, and in the future should replace the Tu-22M3, TU-95 and Tu-160. Oh how! Victims of the exam gradually penetrate into all spheres of our life :(
    2. Ren
      Ren 6 December 2017 08: 16 New
      0
      2,5M - good, but somehow
      it will not be enough
      wink
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 6 December 2017 10: 03 New
      +1
      It will probably accelerate more than 31, its engine thrust is greater than that of the 31st, only the glider will overheat a little, so speed will be limited, if 3000 does not pick up for long.
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  8. jonht
    jonht 6 December 2017 07: 48 New
    0
    It turns out that they decided not to build airplanes with the engine of the first stage, probably that there wouldn’t be a maintenance fleet, all the cars will be of the same type.
    1. Seaflame
      Seaflame 6 December 2017 09: 53 New
      +5
      Most likely, with a dozen, with the engine of the first stage, it will go into operation
  9. 1vlad19
    1vlad19 6 December 2017 07: 56 New
    +2
    So I wonder if they will open the production of engines for K-57 in Komsomol.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 December 2017 08: 40 New
      +1
      I’m interested in something else, can this engine be put on the rest of the Sukhoi lineup later?
      1. Mwg
        Mwg 6 December 2017 08: 46 New
        +6
        They say - you can
        1. Zhelezyakin
          Zhelezyakin 6 December 2017 10: 05 New
          +5
          They say chickens are milked. And why do you need a more thrust-armed motor on a glider that is not designed for loads exceeding the calculated ones?
    2. Zhelezyakin
      Zhelezyakin 6 December 2017 10: 04 New
      +5
      No! They were never produced there. Ufa ...
      1. 1vlad19
        1vlad19 6 December 2017 11: 41 New
        +1
        Well, in general, I am aware that there is no factory. They make T-50 (SU-57) in Komsomolsk.
        1. Zhelezyakin
          Zhelezyakin 6 December 2017 12: 11 New
          +2
          Then I did not understand your post ...
          Quote: 1vlad19
          So I wonder if they will open the production of engines for K-57 in Komsomol.

          Nakoy to fence a garden, if there is a plant, with qualified personnel and all the necessary equipment in Ufa? There engines for Su-shek have been manufactured for more than one 10 years and not one generation ...
          1. 1vlad19
            1vlad19 6 December 2017 12: 44 New
            0
            In your opinion, it is not necessary to raise the regions? Drying is done in Novosib, Irkutsk, Koms. And engines are only in Ufa. Why drive the trains to Siberia and the Far East, can it be easier to open production here?
            1. Zhelezyakin
              Zhelezyakin 6 December 2017 12: 51 New
              +3
              No, not easier. It’s just just on paper - “Let's build a plant that will manufacture engines!” In fact, it turns out - there is no space, you need to build; no machines - need to buy; no staff - need to learn and share experience; there is no turnover - you need more Dryers, but not simple ones, but the 57s, and they are not in the series yet. And Ufa what to do? Sit in one's hands? There, in your opinion, the region does not need to be developed? Everyone should eat their carrots.
              Py Sy
              Rybinsk, on the basis of his plant, which has existed for several years, tried to establish the production of individual engine parts of the first stage. Alas, it did not work out ... I agree with you, you need to develop regions, but in this particular case, nothing good will come of it!
              1. 1vlad19
                1vlad19 6 December 2017 15: 35 New
                0
                Yah. There is a square. In one Komsomolsk there are two lanes, Dzemgi and Khurba. The second dual purpose. Build, attract personnel is not a question. Far East is a promising region.
                1. Zhelezyakin
                  Zhelezyakin 6 December 2017 15: 41 New
                  +3
                  Apparently you are not reading what is written above ... Sorry!
                  1. 1vlad19
                    1vlad19 7 December 2017 03: 38 New
                    +1
                    It is a pity that you do not understand. We are not here to break.
                    1. Zhelezyakin
                      Zhelezyakin 7 December 2017 09: 48 New
                      +1
                      I understand it very well;) but this stubbornness (in the good sense of the word) and in a more useful direction!
                      1. 1vlad19
                        1vlad19 7 December 2017 11: 29 New
                        0
                        We are on track)
  10. K-50
    K-50 6 December 2017 08: 01 New
    0
    Su-57 took off with the engine 2-th stage

    Well, the difference is !!!!! ???
    Is there a reason to break spears? what
    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 6 December 2017 09: 32 New
      11
      Seriously? In order not to know this, it was necessary to deliberately avoid this information, since it was strewed everywhere for a long time. Stage 1 engine AL-41Ф1 (product 117) - modernization of the Soviet legacy with 9500 kgf thrust (15 000 kgf afterburner), product 30 - completely new engine with 11 000 thrust (18 500 kgfbb afterburner) and increased fuel consumption operation. The point is not even in the absolute values ​​of traction, but in the fact that the new engine gives a thrust-weight ratio at full load of more than 1 and will guarantee to surpass the F-22 in terms of thrust-weight ratio and cruising speed.
      I can’t stop wondering how you feel bad, whatever you do. There is nothing new - bad, there is something new - bad again: you do not see the differences.
      1. K-50
        K-50 6 December 2017 10: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Bass Navigator
        Seriously? In order not to know this, you had to intentionally avoid this information,

        What are you talking about? belay
        The figures that you brought are known, but how they appeared in flight !!!!!
        Vika can be read without you. hi
        1. dubovitskiy.1947
          dubovitskiy.1947 6 December 2017 11: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: K-50
          Quote: Bass Navigator
          Seriously? In order not to know this, you had to intentionally avoid this information,

          What are you talking about? belay
          The figures that you brought are known, but how they appeared in flight !!!!!
          Vika can be read without you. hi

          Do not run ahead of the engine. And read it thoughtfully. 17 minutes of flight does not provide any data on the maximum flight modes. This is ahead. The fact is important.
          1. K-50
            K-50 6 December 2017 12: 24 New
            0
            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            Do not run ahead of the engine.

            One more criticism.
            If you drive a car, do you feel the difference between different models, including engines? Or is it all past? even in the initial movements you can see the nuances. Here I am talking about them. Was there a difference between the devices of the 1st and 2nd stages?
            Complicated? winked
            1. Zhelezyakin
              Zhelezyakin 6 December 2017 13: 01 New
              +2
              Must be. However, to say more accurately, you need to know the flight / test program. I strongly doubt that in the first flight he was taken to max speed or to afterburner.
            2. dubovitskiy.1947
              dubovitskiy.1947 6 December 2017 16: 46 New
              0
              Quote: K-50
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              Do not run ahead of the engine.

              One more criticism.
              If you drive a car, do you feel the difference between different models, including engines? Or is it all past? even in the initial movements you can see the nuances. Here I am talking about them. Was there a difference between the devices of the 1st and 2nd stages?
              Complicated? winked

              Apparently, it's hard for you to understand what the difference is. But it is not difficult for them, since such a body-weight with engine replacement has been started. There would be no difference, they did not start.
        2. Navigator Basov
          Navigator Basov 6 December 2017 16: 16 New
          0
          Do you put secret test reports on the Internet?
          Anyway, this is the first flight of the engine. The difference is huge, from 0 to 100%: there was no flight - there is a flight. Fact. His test and recorded.
          1. K-50
            K-50 6 December 2017 16: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Bass Navigator
            You

            Do not poke at strangers, please. If it’s so hard just don’t respond to posts. request
            Secret is not necessary, interesting, but not necessary.
            About the nuances that I was interested in, have already been voiced in other articles.
            All the best. hi
  11. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 6 December 2017 08: 27 New
    15
    Liberally imprisoned visitors make jokes less and less ridiculous. The moan about “never takes off” was replaced by “until the 20th year is still far”, the number of stages, one engine, etc.
    For the project, frankly happy. TTX and the number in operation let it be a surprise, spies - on the count.
    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 6 December 2017 08: 39 New
      +6
      Well, now it would be interesting to see how they would repeat that there is no engine.
  12. CooL_SnipeR
    CooL_SnipeR 6 December 2017 08: 30 New
    +3
    Finally! All according to plan
  13. Silver fox_2
    Silver fox_2 6 December 2017 08: 36 New
    +5
    Good luck! drinks soldier
  14. Mwg
    Mwg 6 December 2017 08: 43 New
    0
    Engine dvuhsrednik!?
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 6 December 2017 08: 49 New
      +1
      Something I do not see a place on this dryer for tens of tons of oxygen / nitric acid smile
      1. Mwg
        Mwg 6 December 2017 10: 49 New
        +1
        Tens of tons of oxygen / nitric acid are required for a ground launch and overcoming a dense atmosphere. An atmospheric engine is enough to reach 33 meters (example: 000 July 1973, 25 m Alexander Fedotov MiG-33140 turbojet engine). From 25 thousand to 33 thousand, taking into account the existing acceleration, not dozens will go away - a few tons of fuel and oxidizer. And then the maneuvering and horizontal acceleration are impulse
        1. vadimtt
          vadimtt 6 December 2017 10: 56 New
          +1
          Minus units of tons of combat load? There is no sense, not for those heights this machine was created to put a two-medium engine on it.
          1. Mwg
            Mwg 6 December 2017 11: 11 New
            +1
            Pay attention to the area of ​​the planes. Explicitly for work in a discharged atmosphere. And why not put a double agent? Under highly specialized tasks, it’s quite suitable for itself in the form of modifications with special weapons. A laser, for example. Satellites from low orbit to shoot.
            By the way, the article was the other day about our xenon ion shunting engines. write that already in production
            1. vadimtt
              vadimtt 6 December 2017 11: 18 New
              +1
              This is just your Wishlist smile The double-agent even on the mythical 6th generation is unlikely to be. And forget about lasers - no energy - no lasers. There is energy - a problem where to dump heat, gigawatts laughing
              1. Mwg
                Mwg 6 December 2017 18: 30 New
                0
                The article was a month or two ago about the successful testing of a prototype two-medium engine. The Air Force was renamed the VKS. What other signs do you need? Do you want TTX in the public domain, or what?
                Chemical-pumped lasers already existed in 1984. In the form of a personal weapon of an astronaut. More than 30 years have passed, technology does not stand still. My Wishlist are following the progress)))
            2. Navigator Basov
              Navigator Basov 6 December 2017 16: 29 New
              0
              The impression that you grabbed clever terms, and everything mixed up in your head. Su-57 was not conceived as an interceptor, it is an aviation complex of front-line aviation, satellites will be shooting an upgraded hypothetical MiG-41.
              1. Mwg
                Mwg 6 December 2017 18: 36 New
                0
                Not you, but you. For, I don’t remember you with me at the same table.
                If there is something in essence, argue, no - leave your speculations and conclusions for your feast
                1. Navigator Basov
                  Navigator Basov 6 December 2017 19: 30 New
                  0
                  What else to argue? Prove that I (along with the creators of Su-57) are not a camel? Su-57 is not a high-altitude interceptor (this is well known), since it is a front-line aviation complex (included in the name of the project) - consider a linear fighter-bomber, of the F / A-18 type. The goals of front-line aviation are tactical (operational-tactical), interceptors - strategic (bombers, cruise missiles, now low-orbit satellites, suborbital aircraft, BSU systems, if you want). This is PAK DP, also known as the possible Mig-41.
                  https://topwar.ru/118224-proekt-pak-dp-zamena-dly
                  a-mig-31.html
                  1. Mwg
                    Mwg 7 December 2017 05: 55 New
                    0
                    Well yes. You're right. The official version is this.
                    1. Navigator Basov
                      Navigator Basov 7 December 2017 09: 51 New
                      0
                      Yeah, that is, unofficially tactical bombers fulfill our strategic goals, and high-altitude interceptors - tanks bomb? winked Well, why so slide?
                      1. Mwg
                        Mwg 7 December 2017 17: 43 New
                        +1
                        In ancient times, wall to wall went to war, later to order, then to square, then positional trench warfare, then frontal, now local actions of small units. The method of warfare and battle is determined by technological development, which determines the method of warfare. Do not you mind? Further: the first to apply new technologies, the first to impose a new battle tactic, which is a breakdown of the enemy’s stereotype and, as a result, leads to victory. Do not you mind? Concealment of technology is appropriate for the time being. Do you mind? Accordingly, it is advisable to call, for example, a gun a club. Right?
                        Now about the SU-57. Information about the use of hydrocarbon materials, a reinforced airframe, a sealed pilot compartment, a powerful on-board computer with control tasks, the shape and area of ​​the wing - all this indicates the possibility of using the device in a rarefied atmosphere. As the Americans say: if a bird looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, then this is a duck. If the SU-57 looks like a stratospheric apparatus, I consider it to be such. The purpose of the aircraft can be judged by the official version, it is possible by its characteristics, by its appearance and information about its design (which is publicly available). I believe that this aircraft may well go into near space in the form in which it is presented and with the appropriate power plant. This is my opinion and I want to believe in it, because I believe in the genius of our techies. I expressed my opinion here and even someone supported me.
                        Your right to assert that the device is what they say and nothing more. And this is also the opinion and nothing more. I doubt that they report to you about the concepts and technologies being introduced, as well as to me.
          2. SOF
            SOF 6 December 2017 12: 52 New
            +2
            Add:
            Tens of tons of oxygen / nitric acid are required for a ground launch and overcoming a dense atmosphere ...

            ...and detachment(this means not taking off on planes using lift) from the ground 2 - 7 hundred(!!!) tons of mass.
    2. insular
      insular 6 December 2017 08: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: MVG
      Engine dvuhsrednik!?

      Of course!
      The underwater surface lol while also armored!
    3. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 6 December 2017 11: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: MVG
      Engine dvuhsrednik!?

      Before filling in a vacuum, it will be quickly replaced.
      1. Navigator Basov
        Navigator Basov 6 December 2017 16: 30 New
        0
        In a liquid vacuum?
  15. Dimax
    Dimax 6 December 2017 09: 10 New
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    And I remember talking: we won’t build the 5th generation of planes, we’ll immediately jump to the 4th with the 6+, well, alas, to catch up and overtake the Americans, alas, it didn’t work out five years behind ....
    1. I doubt it
      I doubt it 6 December 2017 09: 21 New
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      Quote: Dimax
      ... and so five years behind them turns out ....

      Not five, but more than 25!
      In 1991, they presented me with a book “World War Planes,” so there was already YF-22!
    2. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 6 December 2017 11: 15 New
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      Quote: Dimax
      And I remember talking: we won’t build the 5th generation of planes, we’ll immediately jump to the 4th with the 6+, well, alas, to catch up and overtake the Americans, alas, it didn’t work out five years behind ....

      Lag in the reports? What are you talking about, first grader?
    3. Foxmara
      Foxmara 6 December 2017 11: 33 New
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      Quote: Dimax
      And I remember talking: we won’t build the 5th generation of planes, we’ll immediately jump to the 4th with the 6+, well, alas, to catch up and overtake the Americans, alas, it didn’t work out five years behind ....

      What is the lag? From an unsuccessful bumblebee plane? From an airplane that was banned from production? From an airplane in which pilots complain that they cannot see the Russians on the SU-30? From a hulking iron? Or maybe the Yankees used to have helmet pointers before? If they lagged behind, then why do the Yankees refuse to conduct air battles? hi
    4. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 6 December 2017 16: 45 New
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      He who hastens will amuse people. Choking pilots, falling off radar absorbing coating, course yaw when firing a cannon, and so on. Ours have a schedule, and they are not far behind him, this is the most important thing. The dog barks - the caravan moves on (now ours). They have just the wildest lag behind the schedule, the development is delayed, the budget is exceeded many times, then look at the F-18 they will begin to upgrade further, just not to invest more in the upstarts of the 5 generation.
  16. Asthma
    Asthma 6 December 2017 09: 50 New
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    good luck. more engines, more than thirty fifth with these engines.
    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 6 December 2017 16: 48 New
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      The installation of these engines on the Su-35С is not planned.
  17. Kurochkin
    Kurochkin 6 December 2017 10: 09 New
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    And that's great !!! Keep it up !!!
  18. bk316
    bk316 6 December 2017 10: 53 New
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    And how wonderful trolls and liberals of VO appeared!

    While there was no engine in every comment, they wrote that without this engine it would not be a plane at all, but it’s still unfinished.
    When they tried out on earth in every comment they wrote that the plane with him would fly like that at 25.
    And now, well, THERE HAVE SUPPLIED A NEW ENGINE, WELL, AND WHAT FOR THE NEWS
    Sleeping "slept"!
  19. Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 December 2017 13: 49 New
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    Well, this is purely for checking the state of the engine in real flight.
    Sea trials will begin on the 4-5 engine.
  20. Tektor
    Tektor 6 December 2017 14: 52 New
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    But it will go down in history that the PAK FA made its first flight in January 2010, and received its engine in December 2017. Eight years. Paradox!
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 6 December 2017 16: 43 New
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      Not the longest time.
    2. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 6 December 2017 16: 49 New
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      With the Internet it won’t go down, everything will go down well in history. And before the Internet, such things normally went down in history: often new tank towers were tested on old buildings, and only then the new building was pulled up, not everything went down in history more than once. Moreover, in 2010 the first flight was made by PAK FA (T-50), and with the new engine - Su-57.
    3. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 6 December 2017 16: 55 New
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      Quote: Tektor
      But it will go down in history that the PAK FA made its first flight in January 2010, and received its engine in December 2017. Eight years. Paradox!

      What is the paradox? Scumbling nonsense. In order to throw shit? If, for example, a new rocket appears for him in the year 20, will you count down by year 20? Or a radar at 30?
  21. Navigator Basov
    Navigator Basov 6 December 2017 20: 58 New
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    Comments from YouTube:
    F22 + F35 = Su-57