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In Pyeongchang under the white flag?

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The expected decision was made on the eve of the International Olympic Committee after a lengthy discussion in Lausanne, Switzerland about the fate of the Russian national team at the Olympics-2018. The head of the IOC, Thomas Bach, voiced the decision, which ultimately looked as follows: to remove the Olympic Committee of Russia and a number of high-ranking sports officials from Russia from the Games in South Korea, but at the same time allow athletes from Russia to perform at the Winter Olympics under the “neutral flag and without any or Russian paraphernalia. " Moreover, Russian athletes must separately receive certain invitations from the IOC and sports federations in order to become participants in the Games.


In Pyeongchang under the white flag?


Surprisingly, from the Russian Olympic Committee, the IOC now also requires "damages for the ongoing anti-doping investigation." This is an amount of about 15 million dollars. They themselves started - they themselves demand money. Holy simplicity...

In other words, the notorious policy manifested itself, when officials were punished for Rodchenkov's nonsense, and Russian athletes suffered.

Now the Russian Federation is discussing the status of Russian athletes at the upcoming global sports event: whether to send Russian athletes or boycott the Olympics, under false pretexts, ignoring the national identity of Russian athletes, whose guilt in doping has not been proven. This is a conscious destruction of the principle of citizenship at the Games, in relation to which the Western "elites" have been working for a long time, trying to annoy the Russian Federation somehow
In this regard, the head of the Russian Olympic Committee, Alexander Zhukov, made a very strange statement. According to him, the Russian flag may still appear at the Olympics in Phyonchkhan - “for example, at the closing of the Games, when it will be carried by Russian athletes admitted to the Olympics.” And why is this humiliation? ..

Against this background, statements have already been made in Russia that if the national team boycotted the games in Korea, then it would definitely be removed from the 2020 Summer Olympics. And this is so important, if by that time, the WADA commission for the order finds Rodchenkov's “next diaries? ..”
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    1. Sergey-svs
      Sergey-svs 6 December 2017 06: 03 New
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      Quote: vovanpain
      One word: Anglo-Saxons are you scum, and the more you go to hell with hell the better for the world.

      Well, they’d immediately say what the problem is! yes Now it’s clear that under a neutral flag one can expand freely, there will be no questions! negative

      PS But gentlemen! How do you want to match! winked Go there with harmonica, bears, drunk - in earflaps and quilted jackets! wassat Fill everyone’s faces, love the American (female) curling team in all poses, shoot biathlon from the air, reciting BrodskAg! tongue And annex, annex, ANNEX everything in its path, gentlemen! laughing laughing laughing
      1. dSK
        dSK 6 December 2017 06: 06 New
        +5
        Quote:
        "They started it themselves - they demand money." (In particular, to pay the organization $ 15 million to develop a global anti-doping system, and also reimburse the costs of the so-called anti-doping investigation.)

        Business and nothing personal. hi
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 6 December 2017 06: 14 New
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          The amazing thing is that from the Olympic Committee of Russia, the IOC now also demands "compensation for losses due to the ongoing anti-doping investigation." This is an amount of about 15 million dollars. They started it themselves - they demand money. Holy simplicity...
          Everything as usual! As Brzezinski said!

          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 6 December 2017 06: 31 New
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            A survey is already being conducted on the Internet of Russians on the question of whether to ignore our athletes OI-2018 or not, subject to the IOC, to speak to Russian athletes without the flag of the Russian Federation and accordingly, without admission of the national team of athletes of Russia at the Olympics-2018? This immediately means DISCRIMINATION of the athletes themselves from the Russian Federation in the form of limiting our athletes in receiving medals, namely for the team championship !!! In such conditions, only athletes from unrecognized states perform!

            SURVEY RESULTS on 6.12.2017 6: 25
            36206 people
            Russia at the 2018 Games - without a flag and anthem: agree with the IOC or not?

            SPEECH, you cannot boycott 27.7%
            You can’t speak, BOYOTT 72.3%
            See - https://www.sport-express.ru/olympics/pyeongchang
            2018 / figure-skating / reviews / evgeniya-medvedeva-ne
            -mogu-prinyat-variant-vystupleniya-na-olimpiade-b
            ez-flaga-rossii-1344752 /
            1. shark
              shark 6 December 2017 08: 50 New
              22
              Of course I understand the athletes. Prepared, hoped. Again, gifts from the state to the winners. But gentlemen, athletes, you are Russian! Russia educated you, trained you, put you on your feet. You can’t abandon the homeland. from mother.
              I propose to collect those athletes who want to perform under the white flag in the Kremlin and give them Lexus or whatever they are given there. And give the amount of money as a medal. And show on TV. Let the people see how for the meager (by and large) amount the motherland redeems the loyalty of their sons and daughters. Those with a conscience left will refuse. The one who takes the finished man. Let him have a neutral citizenship and for the whole life stands for a neutral team.
              1. tolyasik0577
                tolyasik0577 6 December 2017 09: 58 New
                +4
                Are you out of your mind? Sell ​​loyalty to the homeland or boycott but remain a proud bird? Nothing that athletes go to these games for years, lay down their health ?! It is necessary to speak, albeit under the Olympic flag. And to show that we are stronger under whatever flag we appear. Who will console this? What can be humiliation? Will the West applaud its victory? Victory in what? It is necessary to prove that sport is above politics. Our athletes must tear everyone with their heads held high and tell the whole world that we don’t care what flag we are under, we are Russian. Ultimately, the medals will be brought to Russia. The rules of the Olympic Committee are for everyone, and it is their duty to fulfill them, no matter how absurd they are. And prove your case. For some reason, when it comes to the seizure of Gazprom assets, lawyers fight back, but then they put their tongue in one place. And then, flapping flags in the stands is not forbidden. So we will support our own.
                1. Reserve officer
                  Reserve officer 6 December 2017 10: 29 New
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                  Sport is above politics, that's right. But the dignity of the country is superior to sports. Our country was simply humiliated. Or are athletes a special caste, do these spits in Russia not concern them?
                  1. Sergey53
                    Sergey53 6 December 2017 15: 57 New
                    0
                    I would like to have football next year. We have so much money. Sorry. So there is no need to wait for a tough answer.
                2. qQQQ
                  qQQQ 6 December 2017 10: 53 New
                  10
                  It’s clear about athletes who wants to speak, but the state should completely boycott, not pay, without broadcasts. After all, the strongest were not allowed there, and we will be outsiders, so why do we, as a state, associate ourselves with those who are lagging behind. They threw us a “bone” in the form of a flag at the close, and it’s not for free, but for 15 million. It’s some kind of national masochism: for that kind of money you’ll get hit on the cheeks. Every day we collect children through TV for treatment, it is better to send this money to them.
                3. basmach
                  basmach 6 December 2017 11: 19 New
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                  Yes, they have been training for years and "laying down" their health. And it may remind, for whose money, and what kind of money (to give them) we also give our health. They are representatives of their country and people. Speaking under a neutral flag, they are no individual individuals who came for prize money (and again, for our account, including mine) This is the pride and prestige of the country, when Her flag rises above the rest and Her anthem sounds.
                  And the medals, which, if brought to Russia, will ultimately be taken away, as they already did.
                  And for people like you, it’s useful to remember Churchill’s words: “Choosing between war and shame, they chose shame, but in the end they got both shame and war”
                4. PalBor
                  PalBor 6 December 2017 11: 21 New
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                  Quote: tolyasik0577
                  Are you out of your mind? Sell ​​loyalty to the homeland or boycott but remain a proud bird? Nothing that athletes go to these games for years, lay down their health ?! It is necessary to speak, albeit under the Olympic flag. And to show that we are stronger under whatever flag we appear. Who will console this? What can be humiliation? Will the West applaud its victory? Victory in what? It is necessary to prove that sport is above politics. Our athletes must tear everyone with their heads held high and tell the whole world that we don’t care what flag we are under, we are Russian. Ultimately, the medals will be brought to Russia. The rules of the Olympic Committee are for everyone, and it is their duty to fulfill them, no matter how absurd they are. And prove your case. For some reason, when it comes to the seizure of Gazprom assets, lawyers fight back, but then they put their tongue in one place. And then, flapping flags in the stands is not forbidden. So we will support our own.

                  And who forbids them? Let them go, work out sponsorship money and advertising contracts. They paint themselves before scouts, dreaming of getting into the NHL ...
                  But let them go at their own expense, they themselves pay for the coach, doctor, massage therapist, etc.
                  For they are going to perform not for the sake of the country, fans, sports, finally, but for the sake of their beloved ones.
                  It is not the Russian team that will play hockey or curling, but a bunch of stateless people, originally from Russia (OAR).
                  I won’t root for them. stop
                5. shark
                  shark 6 December 2017 13: 10 New
                  +7
                  Will we support our own? Mankurts under a neutral flag are not mine. And it becomes clear that it is not the honor of the country that they protect, but they earn money. Well, let them put their health ... it's their earnings, their money, their problems. And under the flag of Russia, we would be our common ones. Well, in general, everyone makes a choice for himself
                6. Grenader
                  Grenader 6 December 2017 13: 17 New
                  +7
                  Quote: tolyasik0577
                  It is necessary to speak, albeit under the Olympic flag. And to show that we are stronger under whatever flag we appear. Who will console this? What can be humiliation? Will the West applaud its victory? Victory in what? It is necessary to prove that sport is above politics

                  The IOC decision has nothing to do with sports. This is another round of confrontation with the "West". Russia is openly discriminated against because there is not a single country, except Russia, deprived of the right to speak at the Olympics. We cannot prove the fact of state support for doping, so individual athletes should be punished, as it was before. The decision to allow Russia under a neutral flag is a way of humiliating the country (like wearing the stars of David on clothes by Jews in Nazi Germany). Going to the Olympics under a neutral flag is a loss of face for the country, which should not be allowed. If Russia travels under a neutral flag, it automatically recognizes the IOC’s rightness and its guilt, and gives reason to continue to do so. And there will be only more such situations in the future in all areas. The only way is to stop bombing the US tries. We have a wonderful flag of the 150th Order of Kutuzov, II degree of the infantry division, which should be stuck in the White House in Washington.
                7. nik39reg
                  nik39reg 6 December 2017 14: 14 New
                  +4
                  Crazy, in my opinion you !!! Did someone else not understand that the arrived athletes, EVEN UNDER THE NEUTRAL flag, will be subject to powerful pressure from all the services of the Olympics! Who will give the Russian athlete something to break? What are you writing about? Any athlete from Russia who arrives at the Olympics will be humiliated, tortured with samples, etc. etc.!!! In the end, do you have any rudiments of pride and self-esteem? The answer must be clear! BOYCOTT! Don’t pay money! Do not broadcast! Do not recognize the results of the Olympics! GAS SHUT OFF !!! Let them freeze in the geyrop! Brains will be cleaned instantly. You can still steal a couple of three amers and exchange it for Rodchinkov with your family. It is better, it seems to me, to simply reward our athletes for their work and training.
              2. bulvas
                bulvas 6 December 2017 09: 58 New
                +7
                I wonder what will happen to our sports officials?
                In any case, they are not innocent.
                - if dope allowed - guilty
                - if not - guilty for not being able to defend justice


                And what does the mooing of one of our leading sports officials mean after the announcement of the IOC decision?
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas 6 December 2017 10: 14 New
                  +3
                  A couple more thoughts:

                  In my opinion, nothing officially should be expressed against the performance of individual athletes at the Olympic Games
                  Yes, we are against, we are for a boycott, but this is their choice, we have freedom.
                  In any case, the athlete can go to another country and play for her, so we will completely lose him / her

                  Our attitude towards such athletes will be negative, of course, but it should not be prohibited.

                  Just imagine that for hockey at the Olympic Games without our team. It seems to me that Ovechkin’s initiative is aimed precisely at preventing our team from going to the Olympic Games

                  It’s still important to understand from which side they will now be approaching the World Cup

                  Still it would be necessary to properly check what some sponsors are doing in our market.
                  Surely, they have many violations ...
              3. demos1111
                demos1111 6 December 2017 10: 50 New
                0
                Quote: shark
                Of course I understand the athletes. Prepared, hoped. Again, gifts from the state to the winners. But gentlemen, athletes, you are Russian! Russia educated you, trained you, put you on your feet. You can’t abandon the homeland. from mother.
                I propose to collect those athletes who want to perform under the white flag in the Kremlin and give them Lexus or whatever they are given there. And give the amount of money as a medal. And show on TV. Let the people see how for the meager (by and large) amount the motherland redeems the loyalty of their sons and daughters. Those with a conscience left will refuse. The one who takes the finished man. Let him have a neutral citizenship and for the whole life stands for a neutral team.

                As clearly written. I subscribe to every word.
              4. ghby
                ghby 6 December 2017 10: 55 New
                +4
                Quote: shark
                I propose to collect those athletes who want to perform under the white flag in the Kremlin and give them Lexus or whatever they are given there. And give the amount of money as a medal. And show on TV. Let the people see how for the meager (by and large) amount the motherland redeems the loyalty of their sons and daughters. Those with a conscience left will refuse. The one who takes the finished man. Let him have a neutral citizenship and for the whole life stands for a neutral team.

                What for? Let them organize parallel competitions in Russia, for which, according to the results, there will already be medals and cash prizes.
              5. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 7 December 2017 19: 04 New
                +1
                if they go, then they agree with the punishment .. then those who are disqualified will not be able to defend themselves in court.
                The position of the Kremlin, like, let's figure it out, this is the position of the cat Leopold.
                and those who did not step on the rake, who can win, will be deprived of medals in a year! angry
            2. kapitan92
              kapitan92 6 December 2017 10: 50 New
              +8
              Quote: Tatiana
              This immediately means DISCRIMINATION of the athletes themselves from the Russian Federation in the form of limiting our athletes in receiving medals, namely for the team championship !!! In such conditions, only athletes from unrecognized states perform!

              Tatyana, good afternoon. Everything that happened is sad, but natural. Now you can raise a wave of patriotism, blaming everything and everyone. Let's go in order.
              In other words, the notorious policy has shown itself, when officials were punished for Rodchenkov’s ravings, and the Russian athletes suffered.

              Quote from the article! What officials and how punished for Rodchenkov's ravings ???
              Who put him to the post, who oversaw, who checked the activity ???
              Some questions. There is no smoke without fire. This is now deputy Zhurova writes, which Rodchenkov was a "mentally ill" and inadequate person, but where was she before?
              OIs have long been a demonstration of the flag, the power of the state and the social development of countries; they are far from fair sports. It is a fact.
              Add the bias of the IOC members and possible Olympic institutions, we get a picture in oil.
              They gave us in the face, and gave us well - we will be angrier! Maybe now our president, the peacekeeper, will pay attention to the mess that thrives in Russian society.
              To the "Serdyukovschina" and "Mutkovschina", the wildest corruption in our country, to the helpless and thieving government. On senators who are caught in France with euro suitcases.
              Regarding a trip under a neutral flag, I can only express my opinion: We need to boycott these OIs, abandon television broadcasts and pay 15 million euros.
              They beat the weak, and we are weak, weak by the toothless and unintelligible internal politics of our state !!! Alas! hi
          2. analgin
            analgin 6 December 2017 06: 45 New
            12
            Quote: Tatiana
            Everything as usual! As Brzezinski said!


            Again Tatyana sat in a puddle. He did not say that.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 6 December 2017 06: 49 New
              13
              analgin
              Again Tatyana sat in a puddle. He did not say that.
              This time you sat in a puddle, not me!
              Read Zbigniew Brzezinski’s book “The Great Chessboard”! They didn’t read, I suppose?
              1. analgin
                analgin 6 December 2017 06: 55 New
                12
                Quote: Tatiana
                analgin
                Again Tatyana sat in a puddle. He did not say that.
                This time you sat in a puddle, not me!
                Read Zbigniew Brzezinski’s book “The Great Chessboard”!

                Well, unlike you, I read it. There is no such thing there.
                My advice to you, Tatyana, listen to and read the garbage "Media" less than Rogozin. hi
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 6 December 2017 07: 01 New
                  +7
                  analgin
                  Well, unlike you, I read it. There is no such thing there.

                  And I - unlike you - not only read Brzezinski, but I have this book in my own home library! This is where it is stated!
                  And you have not read this book, just say that! Or didn’t read it carefully - through the stump of the deck!
                  1. analgin
                    analgin 6 December 2017 07: 05 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    analgin
                    Well, unlike you, I read it. There is no such thing there.

                    And I - unlike you - not only read Brzezinski, but I have this book in my own home library! This is where it is stated!
                    And you have not read this book, just say that! Or didn’t read it carefully - through the stump of the deck!

                    Can I have a photo of this book and this quote from it? Just don't merge quickly, ok?
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 6 December 2017 07: 09 New
                      +7
                      There is on the Internet! You will find it yourself!
                      I have such a cover.
                      1. analgin
                        analgin 6 December 2017 07: 16 New
                        +5
                        Quote: analgin
                        Just don't merge quickly, ok?


                        Quote: Tatiana
                        There is on the Internet! You will find it yourself!


                        Something really fast.
                  2. Professor
                    Professor 6 December 2017 07: 30 New
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                    Quote: Tatiana
                    And I - unlike you - not only read Brzezinski, but I have this book in my own home library!


                    Quote: Tatiana
                    There is on the Internet! You will find it yourself!

                    You can’t merge like that. But it seemed easier? Throw off the photo with the text from the book and put the stubborn in a puddle, and not sit in it in public itself. wink
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 6 December 2017 07: 38 New
                      +9
                      For pictures you need to have a printer at home! The first one. Although I have a printer.
                      The second one. I do not want to work for analgin. He is a troll. Everything is not in his favor. Let him be enlightened. I don’t want to waste time on him.
                      Photo taken from the Internet. There were several issues of Brzezinski's book. I have the cover presented above.
                      Brzezinski. Great Chessboard (audiobook)
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 6 December 2017 07: 46 New
                        13
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        For pictures you need to have a printer at home! The first one. Although I have a printer.

                        From a mobile phone, click and share it with us. What is the problem? request

                        Quote: Tatiana
                        The second one. I do not want to work for analgin. He is a troll. Everything is not in his favor. Let him be enlightened. I don’t want to waste time on him.

                        Nonsense, you have already spent time on it and put yourself in a bad light.

                        The fact that there is no such quote, I have no doubt, but I wonder what the book of this reptile does in your home?
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 6 December 2017 07: 56 New
                        +7
                        Professor
                        From a mobile phone, click and share it with us. What is the problem?

                        The book was bought a very long time ago. I need to look for her, I have not used it for a long time.
                        I wonder what the book of this reptile does at home?
                        Do I have books and other bastards? I had to read and analyze them according to expert work when reviewing the works of other authors.
                      3. Burbon
                        Burbon 6 December 2017 08: 47 New
                        +8
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        For pictures you need to have a printer at home! The first one.

                        laughing Oh really? wassat from the phone .... from the phone .... no pictures - you just cheated!
                    2. Thrall
                      Thrall 6 December 2017 07: 46 New
                      +5
                      The rules of the Russian KVN extended to the winter Olympic movement. Champion not participating next season smile
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                    4. Kelwin
                      Kelwin 6 December 2017 07: 56 New
                      +6
                      Do you need to write anything yourself? It was still gently told you all how to do it, it could have been easier said in Russian. Fell under the shaft.!
                      Tatyana +10
                  3. Burbon
                    Burbon 6 December 2017 08: 45 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    I read Brzezinski, but I also have this book in my own home library! This is where it is stated!

                    So the screen of the page in the studio ... and if not, then you really sat in a puddle
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                      1. Burbon
                        Burbon 6 December 2017 12: 05 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Monos
                        Rummage. Jackal is not good.

                        You’ll not be rude. Do not be rude, and lastly - jackal ?? belay - do you judge people by yourself?
                      2. Monos
                        Monos 6 December 2017 12: 24 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Burbon
                        do you judge people by yourself?

                        According to you. You have not seen real rudeness. laughing
                2. gromoboj
                  gromoboj 6 December 2017 17: 07 New
                  0
                  Still ominous uncle.
                  "
                  .
                  On this huge, bizarre outline of a Eurasian chessboard,
                  extending from Lisbon to Vladivostok, there are figures for
                  "games". If the middle part can be included in the expanding orbit of the West (where
                  America dominates) if in the southern region domination of one does not prevail
                  player and if the East does not unite in such a way that will force America
                  leave their overseas bases, then, one might say, America will gain
                  victory. But if the middle part repels the West, it will become an active single
                  whole and either take control of the South or form an alliance with participation
                  major eastern power, then American supremacy in Eurasia sharply
                  narrowed down. The same thing happens if two large eastern players somehow
                  unite in a way. Finally, if Western partners drive America away with her
                  perch on the western periphery, this will automatically mean the end
                  America’s participation in the game on the Eurasian chessboard, even if it is,
                  probably will also mean ultimately submission to the western
                  extremities of the animated player occupying the middle part.
                  .
                  !
              2. Archon
                Archon 6 December 2017 08: 13 New
                +9
                Just downloaded this book and the above phrase is not there. There is not even the word ruins, ruins, ruins. And the new order cannot be built for the money of Russia, there are too few of them.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 6 December 2017 08: 42 New
                  +6
                  Archon
                  And the new order cannot be built for the money of Russia, there are too few of them.
                  You do not understand the full meaning of this phrase. It is not only about money, but also about the exploitation of Russia's bowels due to its collapse.
                  Take at least this case the removal of Russian athletes from OI-2018. Is this not the construction of a "new world order" due to the destruction of Russia? Yes, and at our expense in the amount of $ 15 million!
              3. Solomon Kane
                Solomon Kane 6 December 2017 09: 06 New
                18
                “Russia is a conquered power. She lost the titanic struggle. And to say “it was not Russia, but the Soviet Union” means to flee from reality. It was Russia, called the Soviet Union. She challenged the USA. She was defeated. Now there is no need to fuel illusions about the great power of Russia. It’s necessary to discourage such a way of thinking ... Russia will be fragmented and under guardianship. ”

                "A new world order with US hegemony is being created against Russia, at the expense of Russia and on the ruins of Russia."

                From the book of Zbigniew Brzezinski “Choice. World domination or global leadership ”(Moscow, International Relations, 2010, p. 127):

                Ma'am, do not pay attention to cheap trolling, It is common for ignoramuses to question other judgments .....
                And what does the word of Brzezinski? Is there, no? Their meaning is realized with great success .... Now in the Olympic movement ...
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 6 December 2017 09: 32 New
                  +3
                  Solomon Kane
                  Ignoramuses tend to question other judgments .....

                  Thank you, colleague, for your help!
                  From the book of Zbigniew Brzezinski “Choice. World domination or global leadership ”(Moscow, International Relations, 2010, p. 127):

                  Konstantin! Brzezinski's book “Choice. World domination or global leadership ”I did not read.
                  And I have his book "The Great Chessboard" of an earlier edition - 2006
                  Zbigniew Brzezinski. Great chess board. - M.: International Relations, 2006. - 280 sec.
                  Format: 130X200 mm. Hard cover.
                  1. Solomon Kane
                    Solomon Kane 6 December 2017 09: 45 New
                    +7
                    What's the difference?
                    What Western "bestseller" do not take, in any it shows through hatred of Russia ... from primitive street fiction to political-analytical fiction ....
            2. Victor N
              Victor N 6 December 2017 07: 10 New
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              Brzezinski could not SAY this!
              1. Archon
                Archon 6 December 2017 08: 14 New
                +5
                In a personal conversation or lecture he could, but in the indicated book this phrase is not. Just checked.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 6 December 2017 08: 59 New
                  +5
                  Archon
                  in the specified book this phrase is not. Just checked.

                  stop Also say that you read this book with a pencil in your hands! laughing For 5 minutes! repeat
                  1. QWERTY
                    QWERTY 6 December 2017 09: 27 New
                    +4
                    Do you think that in order to search for a SPECIFIC PHRASE in an ELECTRONIC version of a book, you need to read it directly? You are deeply mistaken, alas.
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 6 December 2017 09: 51 New
                      +1
                      QWERTY
                      Do you think that in order to search for a SPECIFIC PHRASE in an ELECTRONIC version of a book, you need to read it directly?
                      Of course I don’t think so!
                      However, a search engine on the Internet does not always find everything - beyond the LONG TIME of publishing material - not only a link, but also the original work.
                      Solomon Kane found this phrase of Brzezinski in his other work “Choice. World domination or global leadership ”, which I, by the way, did not read. But I read, I read an earlier publication - from 2006 of the year - of Brzezinski's work “The Great Chessboard”, from which I remember this phrase.
                      It is known that authors in their subsequent publications sometimes repeat entire chapters, and not just phrases, from their previously published books.
                      As for the Internet, the search engine does not always find the right quotes and even previously published articles. Well know where to look. In principle, you can not find anything on the Internet.
            3. Nemesis
              Nemesis 6 December 2017 10: 03 New
              +2
              Brzezinski famous Russophobe .... Same as Leonid Lari and her kind
          3. Antianglosax
            Antianglosax 6 December 2017 10: 07 New
            +5
            Quote: Tatiana
            The amazing thing is that from the Olympic Committee of Russia, the IOC now also demands "compensation for losses due to the ongoing anti-doping investigation." This is an amount of about 15 million dollars. They started it themselves - they demand money. Holy simplicity...
            Everything as usual! As Brzezinski said!


            Because this crappy creature knew who it was dealing with - a corrupt greedy flock that seized power in a deceitful way. But he was right, time shows that it is. The motto of our superiors is to call them a pot, we don’t care, just don’t put them in the oven.
        2. dSK
          dSK 6 December 2017 06: 19 New
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          "The VGTRK press service confirmed its refusal to broadcast the 2018 Olympics without the Russian team. The VGTRK holding said its weighty word to the IOC. The press service TV channel Tsargrad confirmed that the broadcast of the Olympic Games without the Russian team will not be. This decision is final and not subject to appeal, representatives of the holding said. According to the vast majority of experts and users of social networks, such a decision by the IOC is to humiliate Russia. Our country should not fly under a neutral flag, let alone feed the IOC. "(The first Russian TV channel Tsargrad 23:09., 05.12.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX.) Will VGTRK Holding retain its position?
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 6 December 2017 07: 14 New
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            It's time to give the go-ahead Eun !!!! soldier Let it begin to prepare ... By the beginning of February, it will be necessary to "couple" launches, organize .. laughing And to warn our athletes, there are no guarantees of safety ... Do you want to participate, at your own expense ... And get out if that wink You’ll be yourself ..
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 6 December 2017 11: 07 New
              +1
              By the way, the French and Austrians said that under the current conditions of sharp aggravation of political relations between the USA and the DPRK with the possible use of nuclear weapons, their athletes cannot risk their lives and without the IOC guarantee to ensure the safety of athletes during the Olympic Games, they will not go to the Olympic Games-2018 .
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 6 December 2017 12: 04 New
                +1
                good Here !!! And who can really help with security in the region? wink The Chinese in winter are not strong ... And they also understand who is next ... It's time, IOC, to start their blue (rainbow) helmets ... To guarantee security .. laughing
        3. 210ox
          210ox 6 December 2017 06: 29 New
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          Business? Absolutely. Only this concerns first of all “our” sports officials. They have neither shame, nor conscience, nor honor.
          Quote: dsk
          Quote:
          "They started it themselves - they demand money." (In particular, to pay the organization $ 15 million to develop a global anti-doping system, and also reimburse the costs of the so-called anti-doping investigation.)

          Business and nothing personal. hi
          1. Sofa General
            Sofa General 6 December 2017 06: 36 New
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            Business? Absolutely. Only this concerns first of all “our” sports officials. They have neither shame, nor conscience, nor honor.

            Mutko had to be filmed after Vancouver. The IOC was to be shot after not allowing our Paralympics. ALL,
        4. Now we are free
          Now we are free 6 December 2017 08: 14 New
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          Well, what did you do?

          How many times has been said TAKE M ... in from the sports guide! How many times has it been said that everything goes to this when they started warning about it?!? And for this you do not need to be a deep analyst or to know some kind of top-secret information. THE WHOLE COUNTRY TALKED about it, BUT hoped that at least they would do something, because there was a car and a cart, they didn’t let Rodchenkova leave, they didn’t immediately take off Mutko (who wanted to agree on everything), they shook EVERYTHING that she wrote to WADA instead of sending IMMEDIATELY in one place (as the Americans do) all these attempts to deprive us of participation in the Olympics, sue, talk about McLaren’s personal interest in depriving Russia of the status of a participant in the Olympics. (By the way, in 2011, McLaren investigated the use of doping in the American team, and ... The Americans, having received his results, said, “We will take note. That's all ...) Now, through this, Mutko wants to deprive us if not the World Cup then ATTENTION - to deprive the Russian team of the right to participate in the World Cup in Russia! ..

          DRIVE MUTKLY TO / TO THE SPORT MANAGEMENT URGENTLY !!! Or do you also want the World Cup ...?
          Thank God from the Ministry of Defense, a similar Mutko in the form of Serdyukov was asked on time, but now they wouldn’t have deprived us of the Olympics, but would have hit the country ... Although now poor Russian helicopters should suffer near Serdyukov (where they put him) maybe Mutko is there? ..


          Now it’s impossible to talk half-heartedly in the current aggressive environment in: sports, economics, geopolitics ... Russia will be beaten harshly and mercilessly where it allows you to do it. Here’s an example for you -International sport.
          And if you continue to control m ... like Mudko or nits in the form of Rodchenkov, then you shouldn’t make attempts to defend the name and honor of your country (in the direction where they are at the helm), do not make laugh the people of Russia or the whole world ...

          The most filthy and disgusting thing is that for all that ... and for such a long period of time for those mutilated fates of hundreds or even thousands of Russian athletes for the prestige of our country trampled into the mud (by some half-poker organization WADA), no one will be held responsible.

          As said I.V. Stalin -Each error has a first and last name. Although, as practice shows, the thoughts voiced by this wise "Tyrant" and a true patriot are not in honor now.
          1. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth 6 December 2017 08: 49 New
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            You forget that Mutko was not only not suspended, but sent up a year ago! At the moment, he holds the post of deputy chairman of the government of the Russian Federation. Well, the question is nowhere: how to understand this?
          2. Now we are free
            Now we are free 6 December 2017 09: 00 New
            +6
            P.S. And yes, about whether to go to the Olympics under the white flag and it is unclear what kind of anthem or to boycott the Olympics ...
            Yes, athletes are not to blame for the fact that a war is being waged against Russia in all possible ways (Olympics otvetka for Crimea and Syriaif it’s easier to say), but the athletes are not to blame for the fact that at the helm of our sports department there are m ... and maybe "Sleeping" (see Bykov’s film) everything ... yes, sport is all life for the athletes and therefore forbid them to go to the Olympics from growing up. hands of sport there are no rights!
            BUT if Russia goes for it then:
            No one gives a guarantee that Russian athletes will be allowed to participate in the Olympics even under neutral flags and an anthem. The hand of the Olympic Committee was clearly stated -We will invite you to the Olympiad of athletes, whom we consider pure from the use of doping, i.e. even having gone to all humiliating conditions, Russia / its athletes are absolutely not guaranteed to get to the Olympics.
            When the victory grew. Athletes under incomprehensible flags and a hymn can calmly explain to them that they won not quite correctly and therefore “must replay” (as in the scandal with the Canadian figure skaters and American runners) objections from the Russian side, respectively. athletes are unlikely to be accounted for -Weak hit everyone ...

            So, from the “plug” into which the Russian Olympic team was seated, there are two ways out, one that at least preserves the face and the other that does not suggest anything at all ...
          3. the most important
            the most important 6 December 2017 18: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Now we are free
            How many times has been said TAKE M ... in from the sports guide! How many times has it been said that everything goes to this when they started warning about it?!? And for this you do not need to be a deep analyst or to know some kind of top-secret information. THE WHOLE COUNTRY TALKED about it, BUT hoped that at least they would do something, because there was a car and a cart, they didn’t let Rodchenkova leave, they didn’t immediately take off Mutko (who wanted to agree on everything), they shook EVERYTHING that she wrote to WADA instead of sending IMMEDIATELY in one place (as the Americans do) all these attempts to deprive us of participation in the Olympics, sue, talk about McLaren’s personal interest in depriving Russia of the status of a participant in the Olympics.

            Quote: Now we are free
            The most filthy and disgusting thing is that for all that ... and for such a long period of time for those mutilated fates of hundreds or even thousands of Russian athletes for the prestige of our country trampled into the mud (by some half-poker organization WADA), no one will be held responsible.

            You are right ... one official mumbles, the other smiles and rejoices that after the games the team will be allowed to pass with the RUSSIAN FLAG, and on TV they show how the driven-up volunteer children shine with happiness at the very sight !!!! And they spit on Russia in the world, the economy is not growing, corruption is everywhere, tens of millions of migrants, no money for retirement .... and the prospect is not happy.
        5. Ren
          Ren 6 December 2017 08: 40 New
          +4
          Quote: dsk
          Business and nothing personal.

          The figure is very correlated with the frozen tranche in PACE. belay
          Is it an accident or ... what
        6. tomket
          tomket 6 December 2017 14: 32 New
          0
          Quote: dsk
          Business and nothing personal.

          It is necessary during the next stage of the F-1 in Sochi to set up a traffic police post with a radar around the first turn. And then all participants will be deprived of their rights for life, for wild speeding. Send all the participants to sweep the streets, and fine the Federation of Motorsport for a couple of billion))))) Interestingly, in the West, will there be enough candidacy there right away, or will they fall into a lethargic stupor?)))
      2. Knowing
        Knowing 6 December 2017 06: 13 New
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        Quote: Sergey-svs
        Now it’s clear that under a neutral flag one can expand freely, there will be no questions!

        Well, for some reason, only under the neutral ... stellate stripes in the Shirev case oh how did you succeed ...
        1. Lganhi
          Lganhi 6 December 2017 06: 16 New
          +6
          In August 2016, according to the hacker group Fancy Bears Hack Team, she passed a positive test for methylphenidate (psychostimulant), while not violating anti-doping rules, as the athlete’s medical history indicated permission to use these drugs in the fight against attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Biles herself wrote on her microblog on Twitter that she was not ashamed to use drugs that helped her overcome the difficulties of concentration
        2. MadCat
          MadCat 6 December 2017 08: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Knowing
          Quote: Sergey-svs
          Now it’s clear that under a neutral flag one can expand freely, there will be no questions!

          Well, for some reason, only under the neutral ... stellate stripes in the Shirev case oh how did you succeed ...

          and you caught her hand? Did they take analyzes? Or on the basis of race and physique such sarcasm? An entertaining picture of course, but meaningless.
          1. SOF
            SOF 6 December 2017 08: 44 New
            +6
            and you caught her hand?

            ... you just seemed to be back from Mars ...:
            “The doping tests of the four-time Olympic champion 19-year-old Simone Biles were positive in August 2016, during the Rio Olympics, where she won five medals, four of which are gold. She found signs of the use of the psychostimulant methylphenidate.
            The athlete herself has already responded to the allegations. She did not deny that she was taking the drug, and stated that she was not shy about it.
            “I have ADHD, and I have been taking medicine because of this since childhood. You are welcome, know i believe in pure sport, I always followed the rules and will continue to do so, since an honest fight is necessary in sports and is very important for me personally. ”
            http://medialeaks.ru/1409okh-doping-baylz-i-sesty
            or-uilyams-chto-upotreblyali-sportsmenki-i-kak-on
            i-otvetili-na-obvineniya / - source. There is still a lot of interesting things.
            Bon Licet Jovi Non Licet Bovi
          2. Nemesis
            Nemesis 6 December 2017 10: 00 New
            0
            Yes, and you don’t need to catch it, get a test tube with washing powder in front of the journalists, as the United States does and declare all that is needed .... The fact that this black woman is on styroids is already evident ...
          3. albert
            albert 6 December 2017 16: 54 New
            0
            Quote: MadCat

            0
            MadCat Today, 08:09 AM ↑ New
            Quote: Knowing
            Quote: Sergey-svs
            Now it’s clear that under a neutral flag one can expand freely, there will be no questions!

            Well, for some reason, only under the neutral ... stellate stripes in the Shirev case oh how did you succeed ...

            and you caught her hand? Did they take analyzes? Or on the basis of race and physique such sarcasm? An entertaining picture of course, but meaningless.

            The protein itself cracked at one time, so I can say for sure that this creature is sitting on the same rubbish.
        3. Asthma
          Asthma 6 December 2017 09: 23 New
          +1
          not quite correct comparison; sports and rhythmic gymnastics are completely different sports. accordingly, completely different muscle groups must be developed.
      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain 6 December 2017 06: 14 New
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        Quote: Sergey-svs
        Fill everyone’s faces, love the American (female) curling team in all poses, shoot biathletes from the air,

        It is always with great pleasure, and Norwegian asthmatics are already throwing bonnets into the air. bully
      4. analgin
        analgin 6 December 2017 06: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: Sergey-svs

        PS But gentlemen! How do you want to match! winked Go there with harmonica, bears, drunk - in earflaps and quilted jackets! wassat Fill everyone’s faces, love the American (female) curling team in all poses, shoot biathlon from the air, reciting BrodskAg! tongue And annex, annex, ANNEX everything in its path, gentlemen! laughing laughing laughing


        Correctly! Russia is the most peaceful country in the world!
        And whoever doubts this will receive e ** lu so that he will remember for life! good
      5. PROXOR
        PROXOR 6 December 2017 10: 13 New
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        And go there straight through China and North Korea in tanks. Let ZUKI collapse.
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 6 December 2017 06: 03 New
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      I was struck, or rather outraged, by Zhukov’s speech to the press. "But there are positive aspects ...". What are you Mr. official about? What are the “good points”? Probably the positive thing is that if Russia agrees to humiliation, then the team will be allowed to go with the flag on closing? Or maybe that if we pay 15 million (and not to anyone, but WADA), sanctions will be lifted from our officials from sports? But aren't these officials guilty of what happened when all this time they took a wait and see position and managed to cajole before WADA and the IOC? Well, let’s pay a total of 15 million to the organization, which unprovenly wrinkled our athletes, to the fullness of the picture and to the joy of all Russophobes, and then we will go together to the Olympics without a flag, anthem, which means the Motherland, with a satisfied smirk, of a handful of engaged officials and opponents of our country. After all, sport is everything, but the homeland can suffer.
      1. Lganhi
        Lganhi 6 December 2017 06: 12 New
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        These 15 lyamas will pay as cute. I’m sure that Zhukov’s foreign accounts for billions of Baku, so he admits these accusations.
        1. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 6 December 2017 06: 24 New
          +8
          if the payments were out of the pockets of our bureaucrats from sports - only for. do not know how to work - not occupying a post
        2. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 6 December 2017 08: 51 New
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          He has already apologized to the IOC on behalf of the Russian Olympic Committee. This is a fiasco ...
          1. Lganhi
            Lganhi 6 December 2017 09: 21 New
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            This is the humiliation of the whole country! NEVER repent on behalf of the country! This is an axiom! Does the United States repent for the atomic bombings of Japanese cities? Did they repent to the Germans for the bombing of Dresden or to the Vietnamese? Did US repent to Iraqis for lying about Hussein's chemical weapons? Did the Japanese repent before the Chinese for the 50 million killed Chinese from 1931 to 1945? For the first time I felt very ashamed of my country! Even the drunk EBN conducting the orchestra didn’t even cause such a shame negative
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 6 December 2017 06: 24 New
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        And what will MuDko Lyavontievich say now that he has been restricted to travel abroad? Ai uh wounded that see hart bat see interests of the Olympic Movement Ebov all?
      3. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 6 December 2017 06: 30 New
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        Quote: rotmistr60
        I was struck, or rather outraged, by Zhukov’s speech to the press. "But there are positive aspects ...". What are you Mr. official about? What are the “good points”? Probably the positive thing is that if Russia agrees to humiliation, then the team will be allowed to go with the flag on closing?
        ........ The homeland may suffer.
        This patient position was developed in the 90s, they repented for Katyn. So, they should be ashamed and repent further - conviction of staff members.
      4. Sofa General
        Sofa General 6 December 2017 06: 39 New
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        outraged Zhukov's speech to the press

        What did you want with the official? Especially since the author of "monetization of benefits." He is all God's dew.
        Logically - now ALL of his business trips, which were, starting in 2014, let him compensate from his own pocket.
        In business, how? No result - no money. There is no result from him.
      5. private person
        private person 6 December 2017 07: 42 New
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        Definitely Baykot olympiad !!!! So let's see which of the PATRIOT Russia athletes. But Zhukova and Mudko in the dock they had time but they lowered their hands and hoped for a chance. No flag, no Russia.
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 6 December 2017 08: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: private person
          Definitely Baykot olympiad !!!! So let's see which of the PATRIOT Russia athletes. But Zhukova and Mudko in the dock they had time but they lowered their hands and hoped for a chance. No flag, no Russia.

          Boycott means that the IOC is right in everything, if the athletes are clean, why not perform? Why not fight? I do not understand.
          1. Burbon
            Burbon 6 December 2017 08: 52 New
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            Quote: MadCat
            I do not understand.

            then you just have nothing to talk about .... the flag is a symbol like a hymn .... do you know what happens for the loss of a military banner? .... so clean-dirty-washed or just bureaucrats should not go! the country was humiliated! ?, so the athletes were humiliated ....
          2. region58
            region58 6 December 2017 10: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: MadCat
            Boycott means that the IOC is right in everything

            Quite the contrary: they agreed with the requirements of the IOC = admitted their guilt. And then you can immediately pass all the medals - they’ll take away one hell, not now in a few years.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 6 December 2017 06: 34 New
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      What kind of Zhukov is the head of the Olympic Committee if the entire OCD is disqualified, and he is deprived of IOC membership? The only thing that warms up is that he had the courage to apologize to the IOC Presidium for our sports mafia. All this is sad. The only good news is that Mutku and his accomplice Nagorny were given a lifelong close approach to the Olympic Games. Instead of driving them out of sport earlier, Medvedev made Mutka his deputy. In a word, they cheated on the Olympics, framed Putin, who demanded a thorough investigation from them, and didn’t really do anything to protect them from a bunch of honest athletes.
    4. Glock
      Glock 6 December 2017 07: 08 New
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      "The head of the IOC, Thomas Bach announced the decision"

      Vladimir Putin and Thomas Bach


      Some Bach dunked a nuclear power led by Putin into something
      Do not visit white polite little men in Korea
      Announce Boycott and the Olympics in Crimea and the DPR
      So we’ll check who are true friends besides the army and navy, who will come he and friend
      By the way, the Belarusian hockey team can go instead of the Russian one because they have the highest rating. So let's see what friends they are Russian
    5. 1331M
      1331M 6 December 2017 07: 11 New
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      Is this an article about this? What does the Anglo-Saxons have to do with it, when the question is whether our people will go flying under the white flag or not?
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 6 December 2017 07: 25 New
        +5
        Quote: 1331M
        no? They will go. It’s easy, moreover ... Athletes went to London, and these go ...

        No need to juggle negative They traveled to London under the Russian flag, and not under the white.
        1. 1331M
          1331M 6 December 2017 07: 30 New
          +7
          Training stadium. Each team has its own tent here. On it is the flag and name of the country. Unfortunately, the inscription "Russia" and our tricolor will not be here. Russian athletes were allowed to act only as neutral athletes. So, without a flag, anthem and uniform. What is it like to be a Russian, but to hide it, Daria Klishina knows best. She performed in such a status at the European Championship and other international tournaments
          Remembered?
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 6 December 2017 07: 47 New
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            Quote: 1331M
            Remembered

            Oh, Lesha, the cliché is not the whole Russian team, I don’t have to juggle it again, this time either give a damn about your homeland and surrender under the white flag or remain a Russian, there’s no third, but Kolenki from Novy Urengoy will give a damn.
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    6. pvv113
      pvv113 6 December 2017 07: 52 New
      +2
      Vladimir, welcome! Thanks to the Anglo-Saxons, devils will not remain without work in hell
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 6 December 2017 08: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: pvv113
        Thanks to the Anglo-Saxons, devils will not remain without work in hell

        Yes, only the namesake of these nonhumans is a little fried in pans and cooked in boilers, mostly victims of their shitty hands. hi
        1. pvv113
          pvv113 6 December 2017 08: 20 New
          +2
          Yes, they have done a lot of nasty things on earth
    7. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 6 December 2017 10: 01 New
      +5
      How not to respect yourself, your country and the memory of your ancestors, so as not to refuse to travel to this business show! Do not boycott this coven can only collaborators of all stripes, cynical bastards, greedy crooks and corrupt creatures!
    8. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 6 December 2017 15: 34 New
      +1
      Russia spat in the face and rubbed. What the hell are world powers - we could not even stand up for the athletes. I am against Putin, but for Stalin. Shame on ours. (
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 6 December 2017 05: 56 New
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    So they suggested holding the World Cup in Russia WITHOUT RUSSIA !!!! wassat
    1. cost 75
      cost 75 6 December 2017 06: 20 New
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      If now we swallow and do not boycott the game, then it will be so
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 6 December 2017 06: 49 New
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        There is no point in boycotting the game. Mock stopped all further doping investigations and lifted sanctions from our OCD. At the close of the Olympics, all our athletes will change into the uniform of the Russian national team, and will play in group sports.
        1. cost 75
          cost 75 6 December 2017 07: 36 New
          10
          It makes no sense to pay for the humiliation of your country. For the next games there will be new "irrefutable" evidence and the investigation will resume.
          1. siberalt
            siberalt 6 December 2017 07: 45 New
            +1
            There is no smoke without fire. Debriefing is yet to come, but already in Russia. Have our sports officials allowed conditions conducive to this grandiose scandal? Shame of some kind. However, it is impossible to spread rot for those athletes who come out under the white flag. That is not their fault.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 6 December 2017 08: 26 New
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              siberalt
              Debriefing is yet to come, but already in Russia.
              The epic with the IOC is not over.
              For example, our OI-2014 champions said that they will return their Olympic medals to the IOC only through court! Therefore, there is no need to go under the IOC of Russia! If Russia falls under the decision of WADA and the IOC, then the attitude towards it will be even worse!
              This is war and aggravation, as at the front during the Second World War!
              Therefore, the participation of our athletes in the Olympic Games under the conditions of the IOC under the protection of WADA and Rodchenkov is surrender to the enemy’s side in the ranks of our athletes - and nothing more!
            2. region58
              region58 6 December 2017 11: 01 New
              0
              Quote: siberalt
              There is no smoke without fire.

              It doesn’t happen, right. Just why do some eat dope "for medical purposes", and nothing, but another can not even take a tablet of dipyrone? It’s no secret, after all, that big sport is primarily a competition of pharmacists.
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 6 December 2017 07: 42 New
          +9
          Quote: siberalt
          There is no point in boycotting the game. Mock stopped all further doping investigations and lifted sanctions from our OCD. At the close of the Olympics, all our athletes will change into the uniform of the Russian team, and will play in group sports in it

          But the KHL is forbidden to play at the Olympics. And Bach with a gang on the international wanted list, in absentia having given them a life ticket to the resorts of Magadan with confiscation of property under the article Terrorism, We draw a point, would be a person
          1. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth 6 December 2017 08: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Tusv
            Draw item

            These are the words of a moral monster. Thank God this will not happen with us.
        3. Nemesis
          Nemesis 6 December 2017 09: 53 New
          +5
          It makes no sense to participate in these games. Honest refereeing will not happen anyway, so there’s nothing to go to this persecution ... Russia needs to leave these organizations and stop paying membership dues ... Let the US pay them for Russophobia
        4. PalBor
          PalBor 6 December 2017 11: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: siberalt
          There is no point in boycotting the game. Mock stopped all further doping investigations and lifted sanctions from our OCD. At the close of the Olympics, all our athletes will change into the uniform of the Russian national team, and will play in group sports.

          This is only a possible option if we fulfill all the conditions and then according to Zhukov.
          And the bureaucrat himself has already begun to fawn, formally apologizing "for doping violations."
          As someone already said: "We need another Zhukov, otherwise this one will soon surrender Moscow."
    2. private person
      private person 6 December 2017 07: 49 New
      +4
      Does Russia have a chance at the World Cup?
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 6 December 2017 08: 14 New
        +5
        Quote: private person
        Does Russia have a chance at the World Cup?

        There is yes But only if she will appear under the white flag. hi
        1. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 6 December 2017 09: 21 New
          +3
          Volodya, tonight from the FIFA press center they reported:
          Infantino sent the IOC and WADA to the anus .....
  3. Basil50
    Basil50 6 December 2017 05: 56 New
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    Yes they will. There will be many words about anything from ruined lives to supporting sports as such. In general, RUSSIAN figures from sports and the NOC are in complete ... depression. And what to expect from those for whom participation in various events is more important than the protection of athletes?
    But it all started with a prison for the Olympians and other humiliations and silence from those who feed on sports.
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 6 December 2017 06: 24 New
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      The point is weak in all but the Chechens. This is not Soviet sport with its pride ... Everything is blurry, squandered, sold out
    2. IL-18
      IL-18 6 December 2017 06: 46 New
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      Any professional activity lottery. Even in Soviet times. And worrying that some kind of athlete will not take off due to the social elevator of this Olympiad, of course, is possible. But the participation of any athlete who competes should be aimed at victory, the prestige of the country and himself, as a citizen of his country. And here we get two points:
      1) some of the strongest are simply removed, the rest are not immune from the subsequent weaning of victory under any far-fetched pretext;
      2) those athletes who go there will look in the eyes of their colleagues, their compatriots ordinary collaborators, because this is a war against everything that is connected with Russia, i.e. against us all, including Ksyusha S with Lesha N, who have already become Vlasovites.
      Thus, whoever has the opportunity and desire to go to this sports coven, let them go. But without raising funds from budgets of all levels, including national federations. At your own expense or sponsorship, please.
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  5. Andrey NM
    Andrey NM 6 December 2017 06: 01 New
    +1
    The response is to allow all foreign KHL hockey players to compete at the Olympics, but only under a neutral flag. All formalities are observed.
  6. TTX
    TTX 6 December 2017 06: 04 New
    +7
    Perform under the flag and coat of arms of the USSR
  7. Knowing
    Knowing 6 December 2017 06: 04 New
    23
    And whom they will represent, I would like to ask ... Without a Flag, without a Country, without an Anthem request ... and, having gone to Korea, Russia will automatically recognize McLaren’s report, and the prosecutor’s office will have to stop the Rodchenkov case ...
    1. Lganhi
      Lganhi 6 December 2017 06: 11 New
      14
      Zhukov admitted WADA's findings with his official apology.
  8. Per se.
    Per se. 6 December 2017 06: 09 New
    +7
    It is high time to submit your account to the Satanic States, and to participate in games on the terms of the West, you will not respect yourself and your country.
  9. Vita vko
    Vita vko 6 December 2017 06: 09 New
    +9
    Which is to be expected. The history of the cold war of the 80s is repeated and everyone understands this very well. Hopefully, Russia's response will cool the fervor of IOC officials.
    1. SOF
      SOF 6 December 2017 06: 57 New
      +8
      that Russia's response will cool the ardor of IOC officials

      ... your words, yes, to God’s ears, but just don’t believe anything anymore - the flash blinked.
      After Rio, it was necessary to fill up all international courts not with sports claims, but with monetary claims against all the defendants. SPAM had to be sued and left without pants, and we swallowed. And after the fight WHAT? True - it's too late.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 6 December 2017 08: 57 New
        +4
        Quote: SOF
        After Rio, it was necessary to fill up all international courts not with sports claims, but with monetary claims against all the defendants

        After Rio, they tried to agree, as usual, having fulfilled all the conditions. But now it’s also obvious to the most stupid one that it is not possible to agree with this rotten politicized organization WADA VJR. AND the requirement for Russians to appear under the white flag is an insult to our entire people.
  10. Lganhi
    Lganhi 6 December 2017 06: 10 New
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    Zhukov has already apologized to the IOC for the use of doping by Russian athletes. Humble as they can am
  11. milling machine
    milling machine 6 December 2017 06: 11 New
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    I understand that now in the comments they will blaspheme Rodchenkov. But I would not beg for "merit" sullenly who was aware of all the garbage and with his blessing everything happened. And Rodchenkov stupidly realized that fate awaited him, as did his two deputies, who died of a heart attack after the start of the doping scandal. That is, they began to remove the performers and the relatives went stupidly.
  12. nikolaev
    nikolaev 6 December 2017 06: 12 New
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    announce the Olympic Games in Sochi at another time (after the Korean ones), establish solid awards for participants, invite all countries of the world, announce the removal of the IOC from organizing and conducting Olympic Games in the future, establish the Olympic Peace and Humanity Committee, inviting US athletes to participate under a neutral flag on the grounds that in the games of Peace and Humanity the United States, as a state, does not have the right to participate for moral and ethical reasons. Deny this to all other countries that display aggression or wage unjust wars on their territory (Israel, Saudi Arabia, for example)
    1. nikolaev
      nikolaev 6 December 2017 06: 18 New
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      The value and significance of the OI conducted by the IOC has already been lost. O movement under the auspices of the IOC is discredited by the behavior of the IOC leadership, which turned out to be completely dependent on a country stained with the blood of millions of people
    2. kepmor
      kepmor 6 December 2017 06: 22 New
      +8
      CORRECTLY!!!!!!
      organize in parallel your own olympiad ... such as "commonwealth games" ... invite Syria, Venezuela, North Korea, Abkhazia with Transnistria and LDNR in addition .... and win the whole pedestal there ... do not forget to hand out brand new jeeps with bread posts to the medalists. .. Mudko in the chairmen of the government ... and there will be "happiness" to everyone !!!!
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 6 December 2017 10: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: kepmor
        organize your own olympiad in parallel ...


        for sure - that everyone would be disqualified for doping, would gather at her - for the amusement of the world

        The country caught doping, organized a fraud at the state level - with the implicated Minister of Sports, organizes its games - enchantingly.
        Mutko-game in the country of doping
    3. LeonidL
      LeonidL 6 December 2017 06: 23 New
      +1
      Not after the Korean - but instead of the Korean!
    4. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 6 December 2017 07: 21 New
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      Quote: nikolaev
      announce the holding of the Olympic Games in Sochi at a different time (after the Korean),

      I propose simultaneously with the South Korean games to hold parallel Olympic Games in North. Korea, with the involvement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to ensure the safety of athletes. Disconnect from the anti-North Korean sanctions at the time of the JI. And after it turns out that Comrade Eun is a great friend of all athletes and an ardent fighter for justice, to leave him sports equipment in the form of layered air defense systems and coastal defense complexes as Olympic souvenirs as a gift. Well, the coaching staff should be partially left to transfer experience to Korean air defense athletes. To deal with sports hooligans, transfer the SK to lease of the nuclear submarine, taking it from the crooked Indians. Then the whole world will see how the Olympic movement helps to strengthen peace, both in a single country and in the whole world.
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 6 December 2017 12: 19 New
        +2
        Ha ha ha ... good But, it’s too much, demonstratively ... I suggest .. Do not ban, but do not recommend, athletes to participate ... And then, after they (all these bastards), gather there ... Give the go-ahead, Eun. .. soldier For a couple of starts. laughing And, while they have, there, "jolly" with the evacuation will begin ... In tikhara, squeeze dill. wink
  13. savage1976
    savage1976 6 December 2017 06: 14 New
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    The ruined sports careers are certainly a pity, but you will have to regret more for the shame of the Motherland. All the current Olympic movement to compromise, who is already just an instrument of pressure on the objectionable, and not a competition of sporting achievements. Termination of any cooperation with these corrupt organizations, recreation of the Goodwill Games.
    They have evidence, but they will not show it as always.
    Our bureaucrats, for failure to fulfill their duties to defend the interests of sports and the country under the article and on the bunk.
  14. populist
    populist 6 December 2017 06: 14 New
    +3
    It is necessary to organize parallel Olympic games.
    1. cost 75
      cost 75 6 December 2017 06: 26 New
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      You just need to score on these games. Who wants to fly under a neutral flag but at their own expense and not any premium from the state and block the broadcast.
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 6 December 2017 12: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: populist
      It is necessary to organize parallel Olympic games.

      You just need to cancel these games ... And, Eun will help us ..
      1. albert
        albert 6 December 2017 16: 59 New
        +1
        Right! We must help Kim with the missile program! Then the Olympics will be much more fun! lol
  15. Alexander War
    Alexander War 6 December 2017 06: 15 New
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    From which countries the IOC voted, over those embassies in Russia a day would change their flags to neutral, if not, give a day to minimize their embassies in Russia
  16. samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 December 2017 06: 17 New
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    It is difficult to imagine a self-respecting state that would accept humiliation to go to the Olympics in such conditions. Officials from sports, of course, are hard to understand. ... And some of the athletes with an English accent will go to their own devices ....
    So we'll see - for whom PATRIOTISM is just a set of letters of the mother tongue as yet.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 6 December 2017 06: 30 New
      +6
      wait, sir, that the "main" will decide ... his true essence will be immediately visible ... wait s ...
      1. Sofa General
        Sofa General 6 December 2017 06: 39 New
        +4
        Is logical. Oh, how logical.
  17. Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 6 December 2017 06: 20 New
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    there is only one way out of this situation in two variants of a worthy exit:
    1) the government (the ministry of sports or whatever) decides the performance at the Olympics to Russian athletes and takes full responsibility for this decision. people spit and swear, after the Olympics the decision-makers resign, a month later people forget about them. there are no questions to the athletes - we have followed the instructions.
    2) the same people decide to boycott the Olympic Games and prohibit the participation of Russian athletes. part of the people spits and swear. after the Olympics, officials again resign and a month later resign. after a month they are again forgotten. there are no questions to the athletes either - they fulfilled the decision.
    in both cases, disperse the Ministry of Sports and the Russian Olympic Committee. on fih are they needed? although it was necessary to disperse them even after the admission of our Paralympic athletes.
  18. LeonidL
    LeonidL 6 December 2017 06: 21 New
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    The answer should be uniquely tough - no flag - no IOC. Other means the recognition of the correctness of Rodchenkov and Co. If all the allegations are false, then the answer is unequivocal - the refusal of the Russian Federation to participate, the refusal of the Russian Federation to finance the IOC and WADA, the refusal to broadcast, the holding of alternative Olympic games with multiple prize money and the invitation to these games of all athletes who wish with one unacceptable condition - non-participation in IOC games. Let's see what remains with the IOC and how they celebrate their “victory”.
    1. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 6 December 2017 06: 29 New
      +6
      Well, the beetles have already repented. so he indirectly pleaded guilty.
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 6 December 2017 06: 35 New
        +9
        Zhukov repented, retaining his privileges in the hope that the good uncles would not eat him ...
      2. Sofa General
        Sofa General 6 December 2017 06: 40 New
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        Zhukov can repent as much as he wants. In conscience, he now needs to resign, along with Mutko and others ...
        Well, shoot yourself
        1. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 6 December 2017 06: 50 New
          +9
          what for what? by conscience? smiled ...
    2. Sofa General
      Sofa General 6 December 2017 06: 33 New
      +3
      Perhaps the most competent decision.
      1. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 6 December 2017 06: 41 New
        +2
        but also fantastic. I admit it myself.
        there is still a realistic option - aliens will fly in and give all the goats a snot.
    3. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 6 December 2017 06: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: LeonidL
      If all the allegations are false

      This "if" is embarrassing. Too uncertain actions of our officials for white and fluffy. Something is missing for a tough answer.
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 6 December 2017 06: 42 New
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        Neither is enough, and on the other hand - there is too much "enough" in other people's bins. They’re not afraid of the country, for their own, hard-earned, acquired ... Like Yanukovych in 2014. It all holds them tightly for the balls, but you can see not only them alone ...
  19. Herculesic
    Herculesic 6 December 2017 06: 25 New
    +8
    Do not go do not dress yourself! When will our authorities begin not to shake before the West, but to defend the interests of native sports? And our MTR needs to make every effort so that in the coming months a civil war will begin in this pro-America, with the razal of the true evil empire on a bunch of microstates! !!! am
  20. Serzh_R
    Serzh_R 6 December 2017 06: 36 New
    +3
    Only the victories of our athletes at the Olympic Games can now prove that Russia is strong.
    And this will be very difficult to do with the pressure already exerted on them and the protection of steroid competitors.
    At the same time, I would like to hear from Russia a strong response to the current bestiality towards her.
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 6 December 2017 09: 34 New
      +3
      No need to go there, judging will still be biased ... It is necessary to stop paying fees to these Russophobic organizations and get out of them ...
  21. SOF
    SOF 6 December 2017 06: 38 New
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    ... how softly and in a Jesuit way they raped us.
    What you will not do now, but anyway - have raped.
    ... there was no fig, after RIO, in the shower, chasing the fallen soap, the more they knew what kind of shower it was and who its guests.
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 6 December 2017 09: 32 New
      +3
      Russia needs not to go to this Olympiad, to suspend membership in these Russophobic organizations and committees, but at the same time to stop paying membership fees to them ... Rusophobes need to be beaten affordably ....
  22. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 6 December 2017 06: 43 New
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    As a prostitute, Zhukov is trying to soften the situation. Let them choke on their Olympics. I suggest not to go and refuse broadcasts.
  23. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 6 December 2017 06: 44 New
    11
    Athletes flying a neutral flag who will compete in the Olympics should automatically be deprived of citizenship and funding from the state budget and should only be private individuals, why hard workers working in the RUSSIAN FEDERATION are required to pay for travel, equipment, accommodation, etc. apostates under a neutral flag, and all the more so after two or three years they will be deprived of medals.
  24. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 6 December 2017 06: 44 New
    +5
    Humanly, it’s a pity for the athletes who were really preparing for the Olympics! But you can’t fly under a neutral flag! If you go, just to pull the Victory flag on the track and carry it through what is called "all deaths in vain"! Rodchenkova fill up with a hammer on the head (there are examples in history), Mutko, Zhukov, etc. for the construction of the federal highway "Kolyma" .....
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 6 December 2017 09: 52 New
      +1
      And why the hell should a pure athlete refuse the Olympics? Bear someone else's responsibility for a rotten system? Is the price too high? no
      1. cost 75
        cost 75 6 December 2017 10: 57 New
        0
        And why should a country pay a trip to an athlete who does not represent it?
        1. Ronald Reagan
          Ronald Reagan 6 December 2017 13: 10 New
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          In case of victory, the medal will remain in Russia or where athletes live there.
    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 6 December 2017 10: 57 New
      +1
      Why feel sorry for them, they made their choice themselves, and now they have to make a choice with whom they are: with their homeland or with their fierce enemies!
  25. Coverman-650
    Coverman-650 6 December 2017 06: 49 New
    +5
    We, in spite of all the spiteful critics, must participate in the JI. All the same, it will be our RUSSIAN athletes, for whom we will cheer. You need to understand the functionaries from the sport.
    But Russia only threatens - all the steam, as usual, will all go off the whistle ... and after half a year - quietly Mutko and Zhukov from the companies for a well-deserved rest
    1. Nemesis
      Nemesis 6 December 2017 09: 29 New
      +1
      There is nothing to do there, and membership in these Russophobic organizations must be stopped, respectively, and the payment of membership fees to them
  26. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 6 December 2017 06: 51 New
    +7
    And who came up with the color of the "neutral" flag? If they go under the white flag, this is complete surrender! So in the future they will kick us! We must definitely boycott! Athletes will survive. And the officials from our sport must scream at all corners about forgery and falsification! To initiate criminal proceedings against these informants and prosecutors and even more so not to pay any money! My opinion. am
    1. White and fluffy
      White and fluffy 6 December 2017 07: 56 New
      +1
      I completely approve.
    2. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 6 December 2017 09: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: ibn.shamai
      And who came up with the color of the "neutral" flag?

      This is a traditional Olympic flag. Although New Zealanders appeared under a neutral black flag with white Olympic rings, so theoretically we can also slightly modify the banner. For example, take red as a basis ...
  27. tuts
    tuts 6 December 2017 06: 53 New
    +4
    Maybe this and other olympiads
    1. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 6 December 2017 06: 55 New
      +6
      actually in agreement. country what? there is nowhere to put money except to feed all sorts of mokas.
  28. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 6 December 2017 06: 55 New
    +6
    in * opu and mok and the olympiad. I won’t look whether our neutrals will go or not.
  29. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 6 December 2017 06: 57 New
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    1. According to an article from RIA Novosti, there was no state support for doping. Then why was the country punished? This is a politicized decision of the IOC.
    2. Did athletes know they were given illegal drugs? probably not. Why then were the athletes punished, and not those who simply mixed in? Those who are to blame should be punished, starting with Rodchenkov, ending with Mutko. Medicines are eliminated from the body, why are our athletes worse than all asthmatics and psychotics who receive drugs and anabolics? In general, why alone can you get potent substances, and fortifying drugs are forbidden for our athletes? It was possible to obtain permission for the same meldonium - if this did not happen, then Russian officials were to blame for sports that did not protect the country and the athletes, presumably because of personal material interest. Sport has long been a business, and they can pay less for victory than for losing.
    3. Once suspended, the state must respond. The country has no moral right to send athletes not under its own flag, because state money is invested in training. The visit to the OI is only private — not a single state person, nor any accreditations, not a single state media, no broadcasts on state channels, no financial state support for the OI.
    4. Maybe for the better- OI is traditionally the time of the outbreak of hostilities. While they celebrate where we are not there, problems can be solved. Putin needs to recall Seoul 2008, draw conclusions and prepare while all of the world's attention is focused on the OI.
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 6 December 2017 10: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Why then were the athletes punished, and not those who simply mixed in? Those who are to blame should be punished, starting with Rodchenkov, ending with Mutko.


      Well, Mutko did not appoint himself - he tried to justify the wasted money - to give sports results at all costs.


      Worse than a fool - initiative.
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  31. Sofa General
    Sofa General 6 December 2017 07: 08 New
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    As it became known to the “Championship”, the Russian national hockey team in full force sent a letter to the President of Russia Vladimir Putin with a request to be allowed to go to the 2018 Olympic Games. Next: https://sport.rambler.ru/hockey/38599708/?utm_con
    tent = rsport & utm_medium = read_more & utm_sour
    ce = copylink

    If this is true, then this is PPC.
    PS My idol Valery Kharlamov did not go to the Olympic Games to receive a silver medal. Saying: "I did not go here for silver." Have we gone through everything? Mind, honor, conscience?
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 6 December 2017 09: 14 New
      +4
      Unfortunately you are right. We, the country and the people, have long since surrendered!
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 6 December 2017 10: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Sofa General
      If this is true, then this is PP

      Well, nafig, it can’t be .... Until the last I do not believe it, but if so ... then we no longer have a team, just a bunch of organisms with clubs.
  32. vnord
    vnord 6 December 2017 07: 18 New
    +4
    I am sitting on the couch. I think the biggest problem of today's sport is money, big money ... and everything that follows from this comes .... Comertization of sports has intensified many times ... And for an athlete, national interests and the word Homeland go to the background ...
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 6 December 2017 10: 55 New
      +1
      But I’m wondering what the IOC bureaucrats will answer to the refusal to broadcast OI from Korea by our television, because this money is not small, but personally I don’t feel anything except disgust and I don’t want and will not watch this next “asthmatics sabbath”!
  33. Prjanik
    Prjanik 6 December 2017 07: 21 New
    +5
    The fact that the OI had outlived themselves and turned into an instrument of political struggle and humiliation was clear back in Rio, the desire to look at IT was gone. There will be competitions of asthmatics who are sicker and will gobble up therapeutic exceptions more. Under the roof of WADA - a key western office for the legalization of doping
  34. Div Divich
    Div Divich 6 December 2017 07: 26 New
    +5
    If athletes go competing under the white flag, this is a shame !!!

    The white flag will mean that we surrendered under the onslaught of American sanctions, that the country is weak and you can mock it as you like ... That is, a loss of honor and dignity.
  35. Dave36
    Dave36 6 December 2017 07: 26 New
    +9
    Short...
    1. Cropped Summer OI
    2. Unhooked Paralympics
    3. Flags removed
    4. Unhooked the Winter Olympians
    We are waiting for the World Cup without our anthem and flag.
    It is obvious that the tsar himself does not understand that being a part of their world for 20 years is a sentence ...
    1. Prjanik
      Prjanik 6 December 2017 07: 36 New
      +4
      Cheer up, all the same they returned the Crimea, revived the army, put it on the tinsel in Syria, I think there will be something to answer here, we must move physical education and sport to the youth masses!
  36. Professor
    Professor 6 December 2017 07: 27 New
    +8
    Surprisingly, from the Russian Olympic Committee, the IOC now also requires "damages for the ongoing anti-doping investigation." This is an amount of about 15 million dollars. They themselves started - they themselves demand money. Holy simplicity...

    These are the rules of the game. They knew who they contacted and now it's too late to cry.

    In other words, the notorious policy manifested itself, when officials were punished for Rodchenkov's nonsense, and Russian athletes suffered.

    There is no presumption of innocence in sports. This must be proved to the athlete that he is clean. And the Russian team has big problems with this. So big that even Russia will not sue.

    Well, they took dope, well, got caught. It happens to everyone? The most correct thing now is to severely punish the perpetrators who shoved this poison into the athletes, change the system, introduce transparency and play according to international rules. Fighting the whole world is not the right decision. hi
    1. Prjanik
      Prjanik 6 December 2017 08: 18 New
      +1
      [/ quote] The most correct thing now is to severely punish the perpetrators who shoved this poison into the athletes, change the system, introduce transparency and play according to international rules [quote]
      Meet Grigory Rodchenkov, the ex-head of the Moscow Anti-Doping Laboratory, who is now hiding in the USA, he has filed several criminal cases, in particular about abuse of authority and the destruction of doping tests. SK demands his extradition to his USA.
      The fact that along with athletes found to be involved in the use of doping is not allowed for our pure athletes to act, it is nonsense, and this is when today pure Russian athletes are the most cross-checked doping athletes in the world.
      And we are not going to fight the whole world or somehow isolate ourselves, we defend justice.
      1. BAI
        BAI 6 December 2017 09: 07 New
        +2
        SK demands his extradition to his USA.

        We do not have an extradition treaty with the United States. The IC cannot but know and, accordingly, require something.
        1. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 6 December 2017 10: 49 New
          +2
          So again you need to "take up the ice ax" and not one scum should not feel their impunity!
      2. Bosch
        Bosch 6 December 2017 10: 42 New
        +1
        Rodchenkov, like many others, mishandled the Cossack. And someone missed him.
    2. Nemesis
      Nemesis 6 December 2017 09: 23 New
      +2
      US slaves are not the whole world, it is less than half ... We live without them ...
    3. region58
      region58 6 December 2017 11: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      play by international rules

      What are the rules? Who installs them? What nations? And why, as practice shows, exceptions are made from any rules?
      1. Professor
        Professor 6 December 2017 12: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: region58
        Quote: Professor
        play by international rules

        What are the rules? Who installs them? What nations? And why, as practice shows, exceptions are made from any rules?

        Exceptions? Well yes. Now expelled Russia.
        1. region58
          region58 6 December 2017 12: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Exceptions? Well yes. Now expelled Russia.

          That's what I'm talking about. All international treaties and rules come down to the fact that the one who is stronger is the one and can put a bolt on them. However, for most non-international ones too ...
  37. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 6 December 2017 07: 36 New
    +4
    Surprisingly, the IOC is now also demanding from the Russian Olympic Committee “compensation for damages for the ongoing anti-doping investigation.” This is an amount of about $ 15 million.

    I won’t be surprised if we were humiliated before for our money.
  38. Wedmak
    Wedmak 6 December 2017 07: 41 New
    +8
    The decision is expected, but our officials from sports are good - not one of their seats was raised to protect our athletes. Where is suing WADA, McLaren and other figures? Where is the demand for the extradition of Rodchenkov? Nothing, nowhere, nothing ... Only ride on the ears. Another betrayal of Russian officials, Russian interests. And Zhukov also apologizes for something ...
    1. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 6 December 2017 10: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      Where is suing WADA, McLaren and other figures?

      Who are the judges?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 6 December 2017 11: 52 New
        0
        No matter. Accusations without evidence are worthless. They will insist - to themselves evil Pinocchio. This will definitively indicate that European justice is worth it.
        Well, do not win honestly with the European "gentlemen". After all, they play by their own rules, and if they do not win, then they change the rules. It is clear that we can spit on all this, cut off gas, oil, supplies of titanium and more, roll out half of Europe with tanks, so that it would not be disastrous, in the end. Only this same problem will not solve. Moreover, the main cook of this mess, the USA, cannot be reached by tanks.
  39. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 6 December 2017 07: 41 New
    +2
    Do not go to the Olympics. At the subsequent world championships and stages of the world cup, to bring the "Olympians" forward with their feet. And those who do it will pay as for the Olympic medal.
    1. alexsipin
      alexsipin 6 December 2017 09: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Jurkovs
      Do not go to the Olympics. At the subsequent world championships and stages of the world cup, to bring the "Olympians" forward with their feet. And those who do it will pay as for the Olympic medal.

      The athlete has been preparing for the Olympics all his life. Refusal to go to the Olympics means the loss of the whole meaning of his sports life. Few will agree to this. The ban on performances under a neutral flag will cause a massive transfer of athletes to the nat. national teams of other countries. And this is even worse.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 6 December 2017 10: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: alexsipin
        mass transfer of athletes to nat. national teams of other countries.

        laughing laughing laughing What do you measure yourself? Yes, and tell it to Anu, Kawaguchi, and Wilde. yes
      2. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 6 December 2017 10: 45 New
        +3
        And you are Moishe there too: oh athletes, oh the meaning of life, and you thought about how much national money was invested in their development by the state, and now athletes must return their debts to Russia, defend her honor by refusing to participate in this Sabbath organized against Russia and her people! Although, judging by your flag, the Motherland is where you are well fed ...
        1. alexsipin
          alexsipin 8 December 2017 22: 56 New
          0
          Quote: kartalovkolya
          And you are Moishe there too: oh athletes, oh the meaning of life, and you thought about how much national money was invested in their development by the state, and now athletes must return their debts to Russia, defend her honor by refusing to participate in this Sabbath organized against Russia and her people! Although, judging by your flag, the Motherland is where you are well fed ...

          You’re strange Kolya. I am a Jew, where can I still live if not in Israel. And by the way, you forget that it’s not well fed here, but you also need to run well with a gun.
      3. region58
        region58 6 December 2017 11: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: alexsipin
        And this is even worse.

        Than? Many already live and train over the hill ... And, frankly, it’s a little strange for me to hear that they represent Russia ...
  40. K-50
    K-50 6 December 2017 07: 59 New
    +8
    The white flag is the flag of surrender. And to speak under it is generally not to have any pride.
    In the end, the athletes demonstrate NOT MYSELF, but the STATE !!!
    Therefore, it is necessary to speak under the national flag !!!! am
  41. AVGUST
    AVGUST 6 December 2017 08: 06 New
    +7
    I think this: the state, as a subject of international relations does not have the right to drop its face in the mud, you can boycott these games, who of the athletes would like to show themselves - let them move individually, like a representative of some Burkino Faso ...... ... and we, by this time, "for reasons beyond our control," accidentally cut off gas supplies to EuRoPu during the Olympic Games, we slammed Israel in Syria so that our tail wouldn’t be lifted, we’ll agree with Kim Jong-un about the Great Nuclear Deterrence Force exercises, on the border with South Korea, volunteers will go on the attack in the Donbass, tired of the constant shelling from the APU, with the occupation of huge bridgeheads ....... in general there is a lot to "have fun" ......... what to do Olympic masturbation .......
    1. alexsipin
      alexsipin 9 December 2017 01: 23 New
      0
      Quote: AVGUST
      I think this: the state, as a subject of international relations does not have the right to drop its face in the mud, you can boycott these games, who of the athletes would like to show themselves - let them move individually, like a representative of some Burkino Faso ...... ... and we, by this time, "for reasons beyond our control," accidentally cut off gas supplies to EuRoPu during the Olympic Games, we slammed Israel in Syria so that our tail wouldn’t be lifted, we’ll agree with Kim Jong-un about the Great Nuclear Deterrence Force exercises, on the border with South Korea, volunteers will go on the attack in the Donbass, tired of the constant shelling from the APU, with the occupation of huge bridgeheads ....... in general there is a lot to "have fun" ......... what to do Olympic masturbation .......

      you yourself agree to feed the lice in the trenches, if the homeland sends you another Arabian to protect? military reality, you know, quickly teaches such "romantics."
  42. Kelwin
    Kelwin 6 December 2017 08: 11 New
    11
    A simple question in the Kremlin. So what are we going to do now? Will we give it for soup or again express "concern"?
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 6 December 2017 10: 13 New
      +5
      I can guess the answer: "Russia is preoccupied, not in agreement, but obeys the decision of the IOC. We will no longer do this"
  43. KOMA
    KOMA 6 December 2017 08: 17 New
    +8
    I will not watch the Olympiad, I have my own sanctions on them!
  44. AVGUST
    AVGUST 6 December 2017 08: 23 New
    +2
    Forgive me deeply respected by me, Yuri Shevchuk

    What is autumn - it's pigs
    It's pigs splashing in a ditch
    Nearby a cheburator is watching pigs,
    What will happen to the Motherland and dreams?

    Autumn, pigs eat apples,
    Just gobbled up - they’ll give a damn right away,
    Just shit, they’ll gobble up again,
    The eternal cycle .........

    Now let's figure out the concepts
    1. Pigs - it is not unfortunate, but it is believed that these are our athletes (although I am against)
    2. Apples - Olympic Games medals
    3. Cheburator - IOC.
    4. Autumn - International Olympic Games
    5. "Devour Again" - a trip to the Games under the neutral flag
    6. Eternal round-trip - participation of the Russian Federation in the International Olympic Committee, into which we were driven and forced to play with cheaters according to their rules.
  45. sgr291158
    sgr291158 6 December 2017 08: 55 New
    +3
    It’s clear to Kose that both WADA and the IOC are American henchmen, they will howl what they tell them.
  46. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 6 December 2017 08: 56 New
    +1
    I, like everyone, is informed about this case from the media. It can be seen that the decision of the IOC is cruel and unfair. The whole petty meanness of the Anglo-Saxons was exposed by the decision to recover money from Russia for their "investigations." Well, yes, it was their custom to recover money for a rope sentenced to hanging. They saw a speck in our eye and do not notice the logs of the "sick" of their athletes. who take doping, but with the permission of the doctor, as if tolerant and noble in the spirit of the hypocritical Western scum. But I also have complaints against our officials, instead of informing the public at all angles of what really happened, and there was something, in response to slander they only muttered dejectedly - they say all that you (WADA) say is h.ernya, this is a lie. I understand that "there is no method against scrap," but some people have closed their mouths. It was necessary to aggressively expose those who, due to a certificate of doping, pretended to be sick, up to obtaining their real medical data. As for the participation of our athletes under the white flag, I think this is their decision. They have the courage to endure all humiliation and stand up for themselves under the whistle of the crowd - let them go.
  47. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 6 December 2017 09: 02 New
    +5
    The IOC decision was expected. As I said, there is a war going on and strikes where weakly, that is, almost everywhere. On the one hand, this is good, albeit by such methods, but Russia is slowly realizing a break with the West. It is a pity that this process is absolutely not controlled by the current government. Further it will be even cooler. Regarding the Olympics, my opinion is that you should not go. I will explain why. Surely refereeing will be biased, provocations, confusion of hymns, etc. are possible. Yes, let the remaining athletes compete with themselves without the participation of strong athletes from Russia, the bar of the event will immediately fall quite low. However, I think our government will decide on the performance of athletes under a neutral flag. It’s necessary for officials to get to the event at someone else’s expense! It is a pity only for our athletes who were preparing and for whom sporting events, including a way to earn money.
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 6 December 2017 09: 31 New
      +2
      The athlete himself makes the decision to go or not to go - as his legs say, that he wants to do something with them. Another thing is that fans opposed to Russia will boo ours. And there is no reason to hope for a fair fight. You are right - refereeing will be biased. But the athletes themselves, I know from skiing, they know a lot of "tricks" to harm the opponent. And once the athletes were explained that the Russians are crooks. then you can do everything with them.
    2. region58
      region58 6 December 2017 12: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      including a way to make money.

      Well, yes, yes ... and between the Olympiads they interrupt themselves from bread ... what are the premium "Lexus" and apartments for double the rate to turners in factories do not give ...
  48. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 6 December 2017 09: 02 New
    10
    All this looks like an attempt to persuade a gang of gopniks in the gateway not to squeeze his mobile phone ... Since the IOC has begun the collapse of the Olympic movement, he needs to be helped and the olympiad will be ruined so that there is no stone left. Then it will be possible to build a new one, without such show-offs.
  49. Commander
    Commander 6 December 2017 09: 03 New
    +5
    Meanwhile, Rospotrebnadzor made significant claims against Pepsiko. Purely by chance, is this particular company one of the main sponsors of the IOC? And the IOC has not a few sponsors, and everyone needs the Russian market. Let's see if this tactic of Russia is winning.
  50. BAI
    BAI 6 December 2017 09: 03 New
    +3
    Of course it’s better not to speak. We are not strong at summer olympiads, but winter without Russia will be frankly neutered.